http://www.iesb.net/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=6790&Itemid=99
Robert Rodriguez has full control of the project. Rejoice.
Thank god ;D!
I'm a little worried about what'll come from one person having complete and utter control, but also quite pleased John Davis is out of the picture at last. If they'd only kept him away before now in time for the AVP movies, they could've been set in space in the future...
Does this little blurb of juicy goodness pop up in any other articles? Because if this is just some writer's way of saying Rodriguez is producing, I am going to scream.
Did he say RR was going back to his original PREDATORS script? If so I'm going to go upstairs and commit suicide. Goodbye everybody.
But I guess all this talk of Ridley getting involved with the Alien franchise again does give me some reason to live.
Quote from: Pvt. Hicks on Apr 28, 2009, 09:48:07 PM
http://www.iesb.net/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=6790&Itemid=99
. Rejoice.
Why? he did produce Predator too not just both AvP movies.
As you can tell, FOX and Davis were both once awesome...nowadays no....THANK HEAVENS THAT HE'S OUT!
Quote from: shakermakerman on Apr 29, 2009, 09:59:30 PM
Why? he did produce Predator too not just both AvP movies.
"So what if he produced 30 bad movies! He still produced one good one!"*facepalm*
Quote from: Pvt. Hicks on Apr 29, 2009, 11:20:55 PM
"So what if he produced 30 bad movies! He still produced one good one!"
*facepalm*
Quote from: shakermakerman on Apr 29, 2009, 09:59:30 PM
Why? he did produce Predator too not just both AvP movies.
He never said he was going to make a good movie. He just asked you why he's off the project.
Dudes, maybe this isn't such a good thing?
Think about it. Davis loves his Predators. Sure, he was responsible for getting two really, really shitty Pred-related movies made, and let's face it, the first two were pretty obviously what they were thanks to Joel Silver, not Davis.
But when the guy had more creative input onto a Pred-related film, he basically engineered it towards giving Pred fanboys exactly what they wanted - a Predator who walked all over Aliens in between awesome poses. He knew what Pred fans wanted, and handed it to them.
I'm not saying Davis is awesome, or even good, but if he was on-board then Predator fans, at least, would likely be catered to, come what may. And heck, maybe if they finally hired a decent writer, Davis' unapologetic fandome, coupled with a solid script, could actually result in a movie that pleases both the mindless crowds and Predator fans.
Instead we have the starting point of the movie being a script that nobody who's read it has had anything decent to say about it, except, obviously, people in Hollywood, who largely wouldn't know a good idea if it bit them on the face.
John Davis:"I think we should do this for the fans this tim...*
*PUNCH*
Robert Rodriguez: your mine now bitch ;)
if only it worked that way... how did Rodriguez secure the rights last time I checked they belonged to davis
Quote from: SiL on Apr 30, 2009, 12:42:13 AM
But when the guy had more creative input onto a Pred-related film, he basically engineered it towards giving Pred fanboys exactly what they wanted - a Predator who walked all over Aliens in between awesome poses. He knew what Pred fans wanted, and handed it to them.
Did he not as much creative input for AvP as he did in AvPR? B/C AvP was anything but a Predator walking all over Aliens--it was effectively the neutring of the Predators. And then it went the other way in AvPR; aliens were reduced to harmless, pathetic bugs.
As I understand it, Davis played a big part in approving the AvP script over the script on the internet that faces the two species off in space. From what I could tell the script was a lot better than AvP was. And then there's AvPR...we've talked so much about it the past year that I'm sure I don't have to go into it.
Anyways, I admittedly don't know very much about Davis' involvment in the films, but I admit that I'm glad to hear he's not going to be a part of the next one.
Quote from: TarheelPredator on Apr 30, 2009, 06:08:01 AM
Did he not as much creative input for AvP as he did in AvPR?
Technically he would have, but he didn't seem to exercise it as much as he did for AvPR. Go into Predator-only mode and obviously he's going to be thinking about making the Predator as good as possible.
QuoteI dont know what anyone is talking about so *CHEERS* Ill just nod and smile and tell yo all your brilliant men like a good little girl
Not saying anything is an option ;)
Quote from: Pvt. Hicks on Apr 29, 2009, 11:20:55 PM
"So what if he produced 30 bad movies! He still produced one good one!"
*facepalm*
And Predator 2 ::)
Quote from: SiL on Apr 30, 2009, 12:42:13 AM
Dudes, maybe this isn't such a good thing?
Think about it. Davis loves his Predators. Sure, he was responsible for getting two really, really shitty Pred-related movies made, and let's face it, the first two were pretty obviously what they were thanks to Joel Silver, not Davis.
But when the guy had more creative input onto a Pred-related film, he basically engineered it towards giving Pred fanboys exactly what they wanted - a Predator who walked all over Aliens in between awesome poses. He knew what Pred fans wanted, and handed it to them.
I'm not saying Davis is awesome, or even good, but if he was on-board then Predator fans, at least, would likely be catered to, come what may. And heck, maybe if they finally hired a decent writer, Davis' unapologetic fandome, coupled with a solid script, could actually result in a movie that pleases both the mindless crowds and Predator fans.
Instead we have the starting point of the movie being a script that nobody who's read it has had anything decent to say about it, except, obviously, people in Hollywood, who largely wouldn't know a good idea if it bit them on the face.
Agreed.
Quote from: SiL on Apr 30, 2009, 08:48:22 AM
Technically he would have, but he didn't seem to exercise it as much as he did for AvPR. Go into Predator-only mode and obviously he's going to be thinking about making the Predator as good as possible.
Can you really make the Predator any better than it was in Predator and its sequel? The film will end in the same manner anyway.
Quote from: Pvt. Hicks on Apr 28, 2009, 09:48:07 PM
http://www.iesb.net/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=6790&Itemid=99
Robert Rodriguez has full control of the project. Rejoice.
Ohhhh yeah that feels so good, yummy :P
Quote from: shakermakerman on Apr 30, 2009, 05:43:16 PM
And Predator 2 ::)
Agreed.
"So what if he produced 30 bad movies! He still produced two good ones!"::)
Quote from: Pvt. Hicks on Apr 30, 2009, 11:26:10 PM
"So what if he produced 30 bad movies! He still produced two good ones!"
::)
You just hate because of AvP and AvPR. If Ridley Scott did AvPR and f**ked up you would say oh well I still love him bla bla, John Davis Produced one of the best Sci fi Movies ever So i think he deserves a little respect.
Davis is primarily the reason why the Predalien in AvP:R was so Pred-heavy. But I agree with that SiL said earlier; he's the guy who makes the Predator what it is. So w/o him, the film could suffer.
Quote from: shakermakerman on May 02, 2009, 09:23:25 AM
John Davis Produced one of the best Sci fi Movies ever So i think he deserves a little respect.
Co-produced. Most of the people attached to the movies attribute Joel Silver with whatever success they had.
Quote from: DoomRulz on May 02, 2009, 03:47:51 PM
Davis is primarily the reason why the Predalien in AvP:R was so Pred-heavy. But I agree with that SiL said earlier; he's the guy who makes the Predator what it is. So w/o him, the film could suffer.
I don't want John Davis anywhere near anything that is Alien or Predator!
He can go and suck a f--kin d--k! All I want is for him to stay A-W-A-Y from this franchise.....
let my man Robert have a chance, thank you 8)
Quote from: PHANTOM on May 03, 2009, 03:09:57 AM
I don't want John Davis anywhere near anything that is Alien or Predator!
He can go and suck a f--kin d--k! All I want is for him to stay A-W-A-Y from this franchise.....
let my man Robert have a chance, thank you 8)
Do you think that this will be better than the original?
When the movie sucks balls, Phantom will be telling Rodriguez to go suck a f**king dick, and everyone else will just laugh.
:D yep
Quote from: Kaworu on Apr 28, 2009, 09:52:20 PM
Thank god ;D!
Second that. John Davis single handily near killed all potential with AvP and AvP-R...
Quote from: SiL on May 03, 2009, 08:45:52 AM
When the movie sucks balls, Phantom will be telling Rodriguez to go suck a f**king dick, and everyone else will just laugh.
And that his childhood has been effectively detroyed completely.
Quote from: skull-splitter on May 03, 2009, 02:31:20 PM
Second that. John Davis single handily near killed all potential with AvP and AvP-R...
But helped create Predator :-X
So wait... if Fox can remove John Davis from this franchise at any time... why didn't they just remove him and then finally make an AVP movie set in the future in space/on an alien world, since it was always Davis who insisted they had to take place on modern-day Earth?
Quote from: shakermakerman on May 04, 2009, 03:46:44 PM
But helped create Predator :-X
He helped the film. Creation of the creature and his mythos is in the hands of the director, the SFX guru and due to Arnold knowing Stan.
Davis will sell movies that make money, no matter how shitty the plot actually is. Face it, Predator was a B movie with an A-class monster in it, and by no means a high standard plot to speak of.
Predator was an A-movie, what are you on about? It has B-movie vibes, but almost everything about it is A-list.
Eh, no, it wasn't.
It was a B-film, got a B-film treatment, and when the suit finally came, it was a C-quality suit. They shot some footage with the suit, sent it back to the studio, along with the suit and the studio thought it was wise to shelve the film for a year or so.
In the meanwhile, Arnold was stuck with this semi finished film (most of it was done, only the SFX shots were to be recorded and the confrontation between creature and other characters) of which he DID love the concept, so he suggested talking to Winston.
Winston jumped in, and while marketing the Terminator, he and his team developed the Predator in about 6 weeks. (Eat that, ADI! Bitching about 3 months! :P) and it instantly fit the film.
Daily's were sent to the studios, they liked the new look of the creature and finally allowed a raised budget for effects and marketing.
The had a cast full of known actors, had an established director, a well-known suit designer, and had a known musical composer. It was A list.
Quote from: skull-splitter on May 04, 2009, 10:10:35 PM
It was a B-film, got a B-film treatment
It was a B-movie concept with the whole US army special forces taking on an trophy hunter alien from outer space ::)
BUT!
It was given the A-film treatment that it still deserved and needed. There for the final product of the film is quite up there with the big boys of film-making history ;D
Quote from: shakermakerman on May 04, 2009, 03:46:44 PM
But helped create Predator :-X
But helped destroy Predator. :-X
Quote from: Pvt. Hicks on May 05, 2009, 01:16:56 AM
But helped destroy Predator. :-X
..how? With AvP:R? That has no bearing on the
actual Predator franchise because it's a separate series. By the same token, you could say Fincher and Jeunet helped ruin the Alien with their movies.
Quote from: DoomRulz on May 05, 2009, 12:05:46 AM
The had a cast full of known actors, had an established director, a well-known suit designer, and had a known musical composer. It was A list.
They had Arnold who had only done a few films before and only gained popularity after the Terminator was released (mind you, about 80% of Predator was already shot when Terminator released), they had Carl Weathers who has been acting a great deal but never quite top of the bill, they hired an ex pornstar who had bodyguards protecting the people around him, the director only filmed Nomads before (does anyone even remember that one? I sure as shit don't.) and both the suit designer and composer where only attatched after the first creature was back in the crate and Arnold suggested to rethink it.
Now where is the A status from the start up?
Arnold was already box office gold by then, and the hype for this movie was HUGE, which is why it got retooled at all. It was going to be ALIENS all over again for Fox the next year, and that's exactly what happened. Arnold's first stop on his publicity tour for the movie was freaking Oprah. Everyone knew it was going to be a big deal, and like ALIENS it made a shit ton of money (100M v 18M) versus the cost (especially in light of it being sci fi without the names Lucas or Spielberg being attached to it), and allowed Arnold to start dictating fees on his terms.
I know what you're talking about, all I'm saying is, all that buzz got up to steam AFTER the one year break in filming.