What do you guys think about Scientology? I don't know that much about it other then that Tom Cruise believes in it and South Park made fun of it.
What about you?
I think that all religion is little crazy, and this particular one is no worse than any of the others. Im an absurdist, but I understand that not everyone is and some people need more validation in their lives than others. Whether they get it from friends or alien souls is no concern of mine; whatever gets them to sleep at night.
Scientology = Man Made so there for it's bullshit and fake..
unless someone has the balls to proove me wrong? lol...
then again ain't all religion Man Made? oh yes it is...
:-\
Whatever people believe in is fine by me Ive got a very open mind to stuff like that
^Same here but i never understond the conpect of Scientology.
Quote from: Ratchetcomand on Jun 23, 2008, 09:17:38 PM
^Same here but i never understond the conpect of Scientology.
Yeah me neither
To make money?
Omg...not another scientology thread... ::)
Quote from: Ratchetcomand on Jun 23, 2008, 06:54:34 PM
What do you guys think about Scientology? I don't know that much about it other then that Tom Cruise believes in it and South Park made fun of it.
Here's what you need to know:
The longer a person stays in Scientology, the more layers of Hubbard's revelations he learns. The forbidden central core of Hubbard's philosophy is disclosed only to those who have been prepared by extensive auditing. Regular folks aren't ready for these shockers, according to the leadership, and such knowledge could actually be harmful to the unintitiated
The organization charges $12,000 for a course on the secret teachings (this does not include the cost of prerequisite auditing). Scientology splinter groups have offered no-frills versions of the same course for as little as $1500, but this was ruled a violation of Scientology's rights in 1985 by U.S. District Judge Mariana R. Pfaelzer. "It's the first time you've ever seen a decision that religious scriptures constitute trade secrets," a Scientologist attorney claimed.
According to the documents former Scientologist Larry Wollersheim placed in evidence--the documents that fifteen hundred loyal Scientologists tried hard to conceal--here is what Hubbard and his inner circle believe:
Seventy-five million years ago, the Earth was called Teegeeach. It was one of a federation of about ninety planets. A bad guy named Xemu ruled the planets. The federation was overpopulated, so Xemu rounded up the surplus population and beamed them down to ten volcanoes on Earth/Teegeeach. Then Xemu dropped H-bombs on the volcanoes and they all died.
No,
really. Then the spirits of the dead guys, the thetans, all stuck together in clusters. Xemu imprisoned the clusters of thetans in a frozen mixture of alcohol and glycol for thirty-six days. (Note: Glycol, sythesized by Charles-Adolphe Wurtz in 1856, is the main ingredient of Prestone antifreeze.) During the thirty-six days, Xemu put bad personality traits in the thetan clusters. When the thetans got out of the antifreeze, they attached themselves to humans and infested them with bad personality traits. All emotional illness and antisocial behavior come from the thetans. When a person dies, the thetans move on to another person. The upshot is, when you do something bad it isn't you, it's the thetans and Xemu. The practical side of the course tells you how to identify thetans and how to exorcise them.
Wollersheim didn't think that this was worth $12,100.
Quote from: Undeadite on Jun 23, 2008, 07:05:49 PM
I think that all religion is little crazy, and this particular one is no worse than any of the others. Im an absurdist, but I understand that not everyone is and some people need more validation in their lives than others. Whether they get it from friends or alien souls is no concern of mine; whatever gets them to sleep at night.
What concerns me is how dangerous it is to innocent people. It claims to help people, but it sometimes physically harms them in some way and always cheats them out of money.
Quote from: Miker25 on Jun 23, 2008, 08:33:00 PM
Whatever people believe in is fine by me Ive got a very open mind to stuff like that
An open mind is fine, but make sure that you have a critical mind, too. Here is a sample of Hubbard's claims:
QuoteA woman is knocked down by a blow. She is rendered "unconscious." She is kicked and told she is a faker, that she is no good, that she is always changing her mind. A chair is overturned in the process. A faucet is running in the kitchen. A car is passing in the street outside. The engram contains a running record of all these perceptions: sight, sound, tactile [sic], taste, smell, organic sensation, kinetic sense, joint position, thirst record, etc. The engram would consist of the whole statement made to her when she was "unconscious": the voice tones and emotion in the voice, the sound and feel of the original and later blows, the tactile of the floor, the feel and sound of the chair overturning, the organic sensation of the blow, perhaps the taste of blood in her mouth or any other taste present there, the smell of the person attacking her and the smells in the room, the sound of the passing car's motor and tires, etc
How this example relates to insanity or psycho-somatic ills is explained by Hubbard this way:
QuoteThe engram this woman has received contains a neurotic positive suggestion....She has been told that she is a faker, that she is no good, and that she is always changing her mind. When the engram is restimulated in one of the great many ways possible [such as hearing a car passing by while the faucet is running and a chair falls over], she has a feeling that she is no good, a faker, and she will change her mind
There is no possible way to empirically test such claims. A "science" that consists of nothing but such claims is not a science, but a pseudoscience.
Hubbard claims that enormous data has been collected and not a single exception to his theory has been found. We are to take his word on this, apparently, for all the "data" he presents are in the form of anecdotes or made-up examples like the one presented above.
Quote from: severen76 on Jun 23, 2008, 10:30:47 PM
To make money?
"You don't get rich writing science fiction. If you want to get rich, you start a religion."
- L. Ron Hubbard, 1948
No offense, but I still dont see that as any more harmful than, say catholicism or voodoo.
Certainly harmful to your bank balance.
Please, and the church isnt after your wallet either? Just look at all of the christian stores that exist. You dont need worthless nick-nacks to worship in someone, but you dont see people not selling them.
No one's forcing you to buy stuff from Christian stores or put money in the collection plate in order to progress to learn 'secret teachings' though.
Forcing? No, but it is still a highly profitable business with marketing campains and advertising. Look, I'm not debating which one is worse, far be it from me to crap on one's beliefs, just that no religion is perfect.
And often those profits flow back into the community in various forms.
I'm sure Mal could elaborate on whether Scientology does similar.
I'm not keen to crap on other's beliefs either - but them Scientologists are a wierd mob.
Quote from: maledoro on Jun 23, 2008, 10:45:12 PM
Quote from: Ratchetcomand on Jun 23, 2008, 06:54:34 PM
What do you guys think about Scientology? I don't know that much about it other then that Tom Cruise believes in it and South Park made fun of it.
Here's what you need to know:
The longer a person stays in Scientology, the more layers of Hubbard's revelations he learns. The forbidden central core of Hubbard's philosophy is disclosed only to those who have been prepared by extensive auditing. Regular folks aren't ready for these shockers, according to the leadership, and such knowledge could actually be harmful to the unintitiated
The organization charges $12,000 for a course on the secret teachings (this does not include the cost of prerequisite auditing). Scientology splinter groups have offered no-frills versions of the same course for as little as $1500, but this was ruled a violation of Scientology's rights in 1985 by U.S. District Judge Mariana R. Pfaelzer. "It's the first time you've ever seen a decision that religious scriptures constitute trade secrets," a Scientologist attorney claimed.
According to the documents former Scientologist Larry Wollersheim placed in evidence--the documents that fifteen hundred loyal Scientologists tried hard to conceal--here is what Hubbard and his inner circle believe:
Seventy-five million years ago, the Earth was called Teegeeach. It was one of a federation of about ninety planets. A bad guy named Xemu ruled the planets. The federation was overpopulated, so Xemu rounded up the surplus population and beamed them down to ten volcanoes on Earth/Teegeeach. Then Xemu dropped H-bombs on the volcanoes and they all died.
No, really. Then the spirits of the dead guys, the thetans, all stuck together in clusters. Xemu imprisoned the clusters of thetans in a frozen mixture of alcohol and glycol for thirty-six days. (Note: Glycol, sythesized by Charles-Adolphe Wurtz in 1856, is the main ingredient of Prestone antifreeze.) During the thirty-six days, Xemu put bad personality traits in the thetan clusters. When the thetans got out of the antifreeze, they attached themselves to humans and infested them with bad personality traits. All emotional illness and antisocial behavior come from the thetans. When a person dies, the thetans move on to another person. The upshot is, when you do something bad it isn't you, it's the thetans and Xemu. The practical side of the course tells you how to identify thetans and how to exorcise them.
Wollersheim didn't think that this was worth $12,100.
That cool, i just read some info on this and i never know that Scientoist belive that the Earth was called Teegeeach.
Quote from: Undeadite on Jun 24, 2008, 12:55:44 AM
No offense, but I still dont see that as any more harmful than, say catholicism or voodoo.
Clicky (http://www.cs.cmu.edu/~dst/Scientology/ReleaseForms/Introspection.html).
Quote from: SM on Jun 24, 2008, 01:33:15 AM
And often those profits flow back into the community in various forms. I'm sure Mal could elaborate on whether Scientology does similar.
Very little of it does. Just enough to make the $cientologists look like do-gooders.
Quote from: Ratchetcomand on Jun 24, 2008, 01:43:26 AM
That cool, i just read some info on this and i never know that Scientoist belive that the Earth was called Teegeeach.
Technically, they don't. Very few people had made it that far to "learn" that "history". The "Church" keeps them out of the (inner) loop for as long as possible.
Dont they also believe Zenu is still imprisoned here on Earth somewhere in the Ural Mountains?
Sounds plausible. Not that its true... but that they would believe it lol. As for the right for members to be legally killed, how is that different from crucifiction? lol
Crucifixion was something the non-Christian/ non-Jewish Romans (amongst others) used as punishment. It predates Chrisitanity.
Quote from: Miker25 on Jun 24, 2008, 03:23:03 AM
Dont they also believe Zenu is still imprisoned here on Earth somewhere in the Ural Mountains?
Read all about him (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xenu).
Quote from: SM on Jun 24, 2008, 04:29:52 AM
Crucifixion was something the non-Christian/ non-Jewish Romans (amongst others) used as punishment. It predates Chrisitanity.
And before it was used as punishment, it was used as a sacrifice to agrarian gods.
Aw, I wanted to see more pictures of Xenu... :P
Quote from: Undeadite on Jun 24, 2008, 08:17:42 PM
Aw, I wanted to see more pictures of Xenu...
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimg.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fv338%2Fmaledoro%2Fcs2%2Ftabel_google.gif&hash=d36faf8f4ca50aee367956c75eb1cff326c47494)
Quote from: Undeadite on Jun 24, 2008, 08:17:42 PM
Aw, I wanted to see more pictures of Xenu... :P
Here you go :)
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi129.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fp232%2F13SI%2Fxenu6.jpg&hash=4ea7aa50078087d209fce922048ca03480dddbdc)
Quote from: Undeadite on Jun 24, 2008, 08:17:42 PM
Aw, I wanted to see more pictures of Xenu... :P
Here you go ;D
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fupload.wikimedia.org%2Fwikipedia%2Fen%2F3%2F38%2FSouth_Park_Xenu.jpg&hash=11feb5af54ba86fd10169be15339890d4a154dc5)
I love that episode of south park, tho I had heard that ut couldnt be shown again on tv.
it did.
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fmedia.ebaumsworld.com%2Fpicture%2FDailyContempt%2Ffree_xenu.jpg&hash=41318918b53bf924b03702a73fb1ee8180223ca0)I love this guy :P
I don't belive how the Bible says we were created nor the sciencology shit, but I do bealive someone created us. But he created us like an experiment or game, beacuse we really don't have any propose in live rather than to consume.
Quote from: Rafael S. on Jun 26, 2008, 12:25:38 AM
I don't belive how the Bible says we were created nor the sciencology shit, but I do bealive someone created us. But he created us like an experiment or game, beacuse we really don't have any propose in live rather than to consume.
LMAO! Life is nothing but a game of Star Craft ;)
Quote from: Rafael S. on Jun 26, 2008, 12:25:38 AM
I don't belive how the Bible says we were created nor the sciencology shit, but I do bealive someone created us. But he created us like an experiment or game, beacuse we really don't have any propose in live rather than to consume.
Whoever it was, it did a piss-poor job of it.
"life is just an accident, we'r the ones who make it so important.
Do you think God would have made us even through he knew we were going to make destruction?
There's something else he is using us for and to me an experiment or game may be something "logic"
Quote from: Rafael S. on Jun 26, 2008, 06:27:55 PM
Do you think God would have made us even through he knew we were going to make destruction?
There's something else he is using us for and to me an experiment or game may be something "logic"
I agree theres a reason as to why were here, were violent and destructive now but maybe someday we wont be
Quote from: Rafael S. on Jun 26, 2008, 06:27:55 PM
Do you think God would have made us even through he knew we were going to make destruction?
There's something else he is using us for and to me an experiment or game may be something "logic"
Since there isn't anything that proves that an intelligent force created humans (or any other naturally-made thing), I don't believe God had made us at all.
Quote from: maledoro on Jun 27, 2008, 01:16:10 AM
Quote from: Rafael S. on Jun 26, 2008, 06:27:55 PM
Do you think God would have made us even through he knew we were going to make destruction?
There's something else he is using us for and to me an experiment or game may be something "logic"
Since there isn't anything that proves that an intelligent force created humans (or any other naturally-made thing), I don't believe God had made us at all.
what do you believe in maledoro?
Note his avatar.
Quote from: Da-Wolf on Jun 27, 2008, 01:25:44 AM
what do you believe in maledoro?
Why do I have to believe in something specific?
Quote from: maledoro on Jun 27, 2008, 01:33:17 AM
Quote from: Da-Wolf on Jun 27, 2008, 01:25:44 AM
what do you believe in maledoro?
Why do I have to believe in something specific?
well, you seem like a person smart enoguh to have his own view in things.
Quote from: Miker25 on Jun 26, 2008, 09:00:10 PM
Quote from: Rafael S. on Jun 26, 2008, 06:27:55 PM
Do you think God would have made us even through he knew we were going to make destruction?
There's something else he is using us for and to me an experiment or game may be something "logic"
I agree theres a reason as to why were here, were violent and destructive now but maybe someday we wont be
How we humans are acting right now, I don't think so.
You see, we aren't perfect to change into a pacific being or something better. :-\
This is funny.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yS6w-ha0Iog&feature=related
If Satan was looking for something to make God look bad, it's those two guys.
That was mad gay.
I just think hubbard was just being sweet to his wife, he did name the religion after her (dianetics=Diane the name of his wife)
she must feel so loved
Quote from: rocknweird on Jul 17, 2008, 04:40:40 AM
I just think hubbard was just being sweet to his wife, he did name the religion after her (dianetics=Diane the name of his wife)
she must feel so loved
No, that's not it at all.
well that kinda kills it,
well where did the name dianetics come from?
Quote from: rocknweird on Jul 17, 2008, 11:53:12 PM
well where did the name dianetics come from?
According to Hubbard the word "Dianetics" is derived from the Greek διά (dia) meaning "through" and νους (nous), "mind"; so it means "through mind".