Why do they insist on yet another FPS???? I want a 3rd person goddammit FFS.
It's because a third person game wouldnt be very scary at all, It's also easy to get into the story when your seeing it happen through your eyes.
The Resident Evil games are a perfect example of a scary 3rd person game. It's all about atmosphere.
But i dont class the scary resident evil's as action games though. Resident evil 4 was an action game but to me it wasnt scary.
I always thought the Aliens games were about blasting aliens first and scariness second anyway. I just think the developers should get off their arses and give us something we havnt had yet.
Have you not played AvP1? That is why Aliens are suited for FPS. They can be so atmospheric.
fps makes you feel like youre there, not some crazy crane view of someones back end..
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Feb 07, 2008, 11:35:56 AM
Have you not played AvP1? That is why Aliens are suited for FPS. They can be so atmospheric.
I aint played it in a while but to me it was pretty much the same as AvP2 apart from the story and characters etc.
i personally never get interested in the story of 3rdps games..
Quote from: Cloverfield Monster on Feb 07, 2008, 11:41:23 AM
fps makes you feel like youre there, not some crazy crane view of someones back end..
I just like to see the character I'm playing - wuold be cool to control a marine and
see it happening. Like I said, it works well for
Resident Evil and
Hitman is great too. I just think FPS aliens games are running out of steam, there's not a lot else that can be done with the idea now....they even made
AvP-Extinction a strategy game so I think we deserve a third person game by now.
We all enjoyed the AvP and Aliens arcade games and Alien 3 on the consoles and I'm sure we all agree that Hitman and
Resident Evil are great games -
Hitman does have a FPS mode anyway but the cheat on AVP2 to make it third person sucks so Rebellion already thought of it.
I think it's because aliens are perfect for FPS. When ever I have a option in a game for 3rd or 1st person I go with 1st because it owns 3rd. It makes you feel like you are really there. The point is FPS owns and is perfect for a Alien game.
and i hate the aiming in 3rd person shooting games..
Quote from: Cloverfield Monster on Feb 09, 2008, 02:17:03 AM
and i hate the aiming in 3rd person shooting games..
Couldn't agree more.
Aliens FPS are not running out of steam...the last one was AvP2 which is still played today.
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Feb 09, 2008, 10:40:40 AM
Aliens FPS are not running out of steam...the last one was AvP2 which is still played today.
true true, the only reason there probably getting tireing is because its the same game, if theres a new fps with atmoshpere, weapons and places..
i kind of wish the game would be like gears of war.
Yes,we need atleast some hybrids if they have multiplayer.Actually put animals on battlefields to get hybrids.Oh yeah,something to stop sk's
Alien Resurrection for PS was supposed to be third person. They changed it for reasons already mentioned - more tension in a FPS.
Gears of War is a pretty badass 3rd person shooter!, it could of worked for A:CM
Aliens Vs Predator Requiem for the PSP is in 3rd person. Predator Concrete Jungle is also in 3rd person.
Quote from: SM on Feb 11, 2008, 06:53:26 AM
Alien Resurrection for PS was supposed to be third person. They changed it for reasons already mentioned - more tension in a FPS.
I liked that game. It took me a while to realise that moving while shooting was a good idea.
Call's laser was fun. Lopping off Alien limbs with unlimited ammo was more entertaining than the entirety of the movie itself.
First-person games have a much more tense atmosphere than others. If you had a 3rd person camera, you would be able to see the aliens sneaking up on you too easily, & would detract greatly from the experience. Plus, it really makes you feel much more like the character you're playing when viewing the world through their eyes.
Third person Alien game would be a good idea. If it was made like Gears of War, R4 or Hitman then call me in.
Quote from: Master on Feb 20, 2008, 12:32:35 PM
Third person Alien game would be a good idea. If it was made like Gears of War, R4 or Hitman then call me in.
it would be alright for squad gameplay but not good if ya want intense atmosphere...
In Hitman, atmosphere was as thick as xenos exoskeleton.
Quote from: Master on Feb 20, 2008, 01:12:55 PM
In Hitman, atmosphere was as thick as xenos exoskeleton.
if going by avp-r's exoskeletons, that musnt be very thick...
You know exactly about which exoskeleton I`m takling about.
Many 3rd person games have great atmosphere, & can even be scary, as proved long ago with the Resident Evil & Silent Hill series. But in a game of this type, 1st person works even better for the scares & tension. After all, would games like Doom 3 have been half as nerve-racking with a 3rd person camera angle?
Quote from: Master on Feb 20, 2008, 01:19:23 PM
You know exactly about which exoskeleton I`m takling about.
do i?
I think so.
I haven't read the rest of this thread so someone else may have typed this, Gearbox might want to get fear across, so they'd but it in FP to get the chlaustrophobic feel across. Third person wouldn't feel as scary, more like an action game.
Quote from: Private Hudson on Feb 20, 2008, 01:43:32 PM
I haven't read the rest of this thread so someone else may have typed this, Gearbox might want to get fear across, so they'd but it in FP to get the chlaustrophobic feel across. Third person wouldn't feel as scary, more like an action game.
exactly, even though 1st person shooters can be action like sometimes but also scary...
Yeah, I mean take Doom 3, or Bioshock, if those were 3rd person they wouldn't be as scary.
Quote from: Private Hudson on Feb 20, 2008, 01:53:30 PM
Yeah, I mean take Doom 3, or Bioshock, if those were 3rd person they wouldn't be as scary.
yeah, and ive always saw 1st person shooter games to have better graphics...
Not always.
Quote from: Cloverfield Monster on Feb 20, 2008, 01:50:38 PM
Quote from: Private Hudson on Feb 20, 2008, 01:43:32 PM
I haven't read the rest of this thread so someone else may have typed this, Gearbox might want to get fear across, so they'd but it in FP to get the chlaustrophobic feel across. Third person wouldn't feel as scary, more like an action game.
exactly, even though 1st person shooters can be action like sometimes but also scary...
yup look at Doom 3 now that game scared me to death.
Quote from: nicky on Feb 06, 2008, 11:50:07 AM
Why do they insist on yet another FPS???? I want a 3rd person goddammit FFS.
Because 3rd person games suck.
The TC should check out Red Faction 3. It is featured in the same magazine and looks like a pretty kickass 3rd person game.
Quote from: shakermakerman on Feb 20, 2008, 08:12:33 PM
Quote from: Cloverfield Monster on Feb 20, 2008, 01:50:38 PM
Quote from: Private Hudson on Feb 20, 2008, 01:43:32 PM
I haven't read the rest of this thread so someone else may have typed this, Gearbox might want to get fear across, so they'd but it in FP to get the chlaustrophobic feel across. Third person wouldn't feel as scary, more like an action game.
exactly, even though 1st person shooters can be action like sometimes but also scary...
yup look at Doom 3 now that game scared me to death.
When I first got that game I could only play it for 10 or 15 minutes at a time because my heart would be racing so bad.
I agree that a 3rd person perspective would not have fitted this game's intentions. It's probably going to be a pretty claustrophobic experience (imagine crawling through the ducts in 3rd person... nice ass) so first person would do it best.
If it were a Predator game then I would have something different to say. Concrete Jungle didn't quite get it right (hardly anything were right in that game), but going third person with a predator in a jungle is something I'm still aching to see to this day. Maybe draw the camera a little closer to the character, like Gears of War-close. Yum..
Quote from: The Diesel on Feb 20, 2008, 10:14:31 PM
Quote from: shakermakerman on Feb 20, 2008, 08:12:33 PM
Quote from: Cloverfield Monster on Feb 20, 2008, 01:50:38 PM
Quote from: Private Hudson on Feb 20, 2008, 01:43:32 PM
I haven't read the rest of this thread so someone else may have typed this, Gearbox might want to get fear across, so they'd but it in FP to get the chlaustrophobic feel across. Third person wouldn't feel as scary, more like an action game.
exactly, even though 1st person shooters can be action like sometimes but also scary...
yup look at Doom 3 now that game scared me to death.
When I first got that game I could only play it for 10 or 15 minutes at a time because my heart would be racing so bad.
yup i did a level a night I couldnt bare it lol.
Alot of FPS games get cancelled
A good one was Jurassic Park:Survival which was due to release some time near the release of JP 3,but Vivendi Universal cancelled it because of payments.
Edit:There is a FPS option,the default verison if Tp
I don't mind third person horror/scifi action games. They just require lots and lots of setup to be scary since the third person view allows you to see attackers from all angles.
No point in having a motion tracker if you can see around corners with the camera perspective and see if anything is waiting for you.
It could be done, but it would feature the same thing that makes AvP2 not so scary on replays. The scripting of story, action, and horror sequences. AvP1 was scarier on replays because the AI respawned randomly and could follow you anywhere.
Quote from: The Diesel on Feb 20, 2008, 09:36:09 PMBecause 3rd person games suck.
I disagree. I love 3. person for melee weapons, like a lightsaber in Jedi Academy etc.. When it comes to shooting it's 1. person only though.
The only game I played in 3. person and used ranged weapons was The Thing and only because it didn't have other options.
Quote from: The Diesel on Feb 20, 2008, 09:36:09 PM
Quote from: nicky on Feb 06, 2008, 11:50:07 AM
Why do they insist on yet another FPS???? I want a 3rd person goddammit FFS.
Because 3rd person games suck.
Once again look at the Gears of War, Hitman, Resident Evil etc.
Anyone who thinks fps gaming is dead needs to go and play through calof duty 4 from start to finish.
That game rocked my world and the ending actually made me feel emotional, and its a fookin game ffs!
If we could have a game based around the aliens world and colonial marine tech that was made in the same approach as cod 4 it would be a dream come true.
P.s anybody who has played cod 4, imagine the sniper mission in chernobyl where u need to carry your fallen comrade to safety, but instead you have to fall back to the apc carrying a fellow marine whilst battling off an onslaught of warriors, that would be electric.
i liked max payn and the suffering and they were 3rd person. the suffering had both but i only used it for aiming.
Call of Duty 4 Delivered
I remember how I longed for a better selection of first person shooters when I owned a Dreamcast. That longing was carried through my ownership of a PS2 (even though Killzone was a very good game). In hindsight, I should've owned an XBOX. That was always where the fun was if rpg's weren't your thing.
I am so happy at the extent of support that first person shooters have gotten this generation...especially with the introduction of the 360. I can't believe someone would even say its a dead genre. To prove otherwise, no one needs to look further than previous generation of fps games on the console systems of the past. It has grown so much since then.
The reason the Alien franchise works better in an FPS is because the series works best when it has a very claustrophobic vibe to it. Being in the tight space of an FPS creates that feeling. A 3rd Person works mostly in more open environments, and is more suited to something like Predator.
Quote from: Gremlien on Feb 27, 2008, 02:53:28 AM
The reason the Alien franchise works better in an FPS is because the series works best when it has a very claustrophobic vibe to it. Being in the tight space of an FPS creates that feeling. A 3rd Person works mostly in more open environments, and is more suited to something like Predator.
Agreed.
First-person shooters give you the feeling that you're actually in the mix (hence
first-person).
Third-person is merely an observational standpoint and wouldn't add to the horror element the way a first-person game would.
Example: If an Alien sneaks up on you from behind in a third-person game, you can see it before you even have to turn around, which lacks any
real sort of shock or surprise. But in a first-person game, that scenario can be f*ckin' freaky.
I just stated the obvious. :D
Quote from: Slugworth on Mar 04, 2008, 09:30:44 PM
Quote from: Gremlien on Feb 27, 2008, 02:53:28 AM
The reason the Alien franchise works better in an FPS is because the series works best when it has a very claustrophobic vibe to it. Being in the tight space of an FPS creates that feeling. A 3rd Person works mostly in more open environments, and is more suited to something like Predator.
Agreed.
First-person shooters give you the feeling that you're actually in the mix (hence first-person).
Third-person is merely an observational standpoint and wouldn't add to the horror element the way a first-person game would.
Example: If an Alien sneaks up on you from behind in a third-person game, you can see it before you even have to turn around, which lacks any real sort of shock or surprise. But in a first-person game, that scenario can be f*ckin' freaky.
I just stated the obvious. :D
true its obvious, but its the the bloody truth mate... :)