I am thinking since Wolf seems to be an elder kind of predator, he looks like he was in a lot of hunts or training, and since predators are so involved with hunting aliens. Maybe Wolf has never infronted the predalien ever. Maybe he expertises in killing regular alien warriors, since we obviously see Wolf killing them easily. And than when Wolf sees the predalien hes in trouble, because he never seen that type of alien hybrid before.
its plausible he is highly trained at killing many types of prey.
Quote from: Plokoon111 on Dec 22, 2007, 08:11:59 PM
I am thinking since Wolf seems to be an elder kind of predator, he looks like he was in a lot of hunts or training, and since predators are so involved with hunting aliens. Maybe Wolf has never infronted the predalien ever. Maybe he expertises in killing regular alien warriors, since we obviously see Wolf killing them easily. And than when Wolf sees the predalien hes in trouble, because he never seen that type of alien hybrid before.
Yes, but he knew about the Predalien before he left the home world because it showed up on his TV chair.
Quote from: Chocolate man! on Dec 22, 2007, 08:28:23 PM
Quote from: Plokoon111 on Dec 22, 2007, 08:11:59 PM
I am thinking since Wolf seems to be an elder kind of predator, he looks like he was in a lot of hunts or training, and since predators are so involved with hunting aliens. Maybe Wolf has never infronted the predalien ever. Maybe he expertises in killing regular alien warriors, since we obviously see Wolf killing them easily. And than when Wolf sees the predalien hes in trouble, because he never seen that type of alien hybrid before.
Yes, but he knew about the Predalien before he left the home world because it showed up on his TV chair.
it might be his first fight with one.
Quote from: Plokoon111 on Dec 22, 2007, 08:11:59 PM
I am thinking since Wolf seems to be an elder kind of predator, he looks like he was in a lot of hunts or training, and since predators are so involved with hunting aliens. Maybe Wolf has never infronted the predalien ever. Maybe he expertises in killing regular alien warriors, since we obviously see Wolf killing them easily. And than when Wolf sees the predalien hes in trouble, because he never seen that type of alien hybrid before.
Actually Chet is not so hard to kill at all.In the Hive battle she screams for help from her warriors,that means she's still weak even if she's a hybrid.But in the sewer and rooftop battle i am sure Chet will be very mad and strong.Strong like Wolf has never imagined her. :)
Quote from: Plokoon111 on Dec 22, 2007, 08:11:59 PM
I am thinking since Wolf seems to be an elder kind of predator, he looks like he was in a lot of hunts or training, and since predators are so involved with hunting aliens. Maybe Wolf has never infronted the predalien ever. Maybe he expertises in killing regular alien warriors, since we obviously see Wolf killing them easily. And than when Wolf sees the predalien hes in trouble, because he never seen that type of alien hybrid before.
For me, its already clear... that wolf come to earth, yeah at first to clean up, BUT then also for the Predalien! the scene in the 5min clip show
me that he is really motivated to *meet* the predalien... another point, that me lead to think that, is, in a review, the author say that wolf takes his mask off like in P1 during he is standing in front of the predalien. thats why i think he is also there to mess up with a new creature, for a new trophie!
Quote from: dDave on Dec 22, 2007, 08:41:51 PM
Quote from: Plokoon111 on Dec 22, 2007, 08:11:59 PM
I am thinking since Wolf seems to be an elder kind of predator, he looks like he was in a lot of hunts or training, and since predators are so involved with hunting aliens. Maybe Wolf has never infronted the predalien ever. Maybe he expertises in killing regular alien warriors, since we obviously see Wolf killing them easily. And than when Wolf sees the predalien hes in trouble, because he never seen that type of alien hybrid before.
For me, its already clear... that wolf come to earth, yeah at first to clean up, BUT then also for the Predalien! the scene in the 5min clip show me that he is really motivated to *meet* the predalien... another point, that me lead to think that, is, in a review, the author say that wolf takes his mask off like in P1 during he is standing in front of the predalien. thats why i think he is also there to mess up with a new creature, for a new trophie!
Yeah,i read that too.I am sure they will fight a little like Arnie and the first predator from the first Predator movie.And then Wolf will punch a little Chet only to buy himself time to take off his mask like in Predator and then the battle continues! Just like in Predator! ;D
(My opinion)
Quote from: xenopred66 on Dec 22, 2007, 08:34:27 PM
Quote from: Chocolate man! on Dec 22, 2007, 08:28:23 PM
Quote from: Plokoon111 on Dec 22, 2007, 08:11:59 PM
I am thinking since Wolf seems to be an elder kind of predator, he looks like he was in a lot of hunts or training, and since predators are so involved with hunting aliens. Maybe Wolf has never infronted the predalien ever. Maybe he expertises in killing regular alien warriors, since we obviously see Wolf killing them easily. And than when Wolf sees the predalien hes in trouble, because he never seen that type of alien hybrid before.
Yes, but he knew about the Predalien before he left the home world because it showed up on his TV chair.
it might be his first fight with one.
Yes but why would he go on a mission to kill a hybrid, when he knew that he had no ecperience what soever in them, and would probabaly get killed?
Quote from: Chocolate man! on Dec 22, 2007, 08:45:38 PM
Quote from: xenopred66 on Dec 22, 2007, 08:34:27 PM
Quote from: Chocolate man! on Dec 22, 2007, 08:28:23 PM
Quote from: Plokoon111 on Dec 22, 2007, 08:11:59 PM
I am thinking since Wolf seems to be an elder kind of predator, he looks like he was in a lot of hunts or training, and since predators are so involved with hunting aliens. Maybe Wolf has never infronted the predalien ever. Maybe he expertises in killing regular alien warriors, since we obviously see Wolf killing them easily. And than when Wolf sees the predalien hes in trouble, because he never seen that type of alien hybrid before.
Yes, but he knew about the Predalien before he left the home world because it showed up on his TV chair.
it might be his first fight with one.
Yes but why would he go on a mission to kill a hybrid, when he knew that he had no ecperience what soever in them, and would probabaly get killed?
trophy.
Quote from: Plokoon111 on Dec 22, 2007, 08:11:59 PM
I am thinking since Wolf seems to be an elder kind of predator, he looks like he was in a lot of hunts or training, and since predators are so involved with hunting aliens. Maybe Wolf has never infronted the predalien ever. Maybe he expertises in killing regular alien warriors, since we obviously see Wolf killing them easily. And than when Wolf sees the predalien hes in trouble, because he never seen that type of alien hybrid before.
The **Wolf Owning aliens theory** is a very difficult question! you know that! there are some people who hate it, some who loves it...
fact is, this movie will show an alien part, like the movies and a predator part, like in the movies!
that means, we will see aliens collecting hosts, moving in the dark, killing
humen etc., like we already see it in the movies, especially aliens. then there is wolf. we see him hunting, fighting an other species, but this time more alien than human, as in the movies before...
the problem here is now, that the actions of the aliens dont evolve, they only had humen as prey( not opponents). the actions of wolf evolve very well... you could imagin, that arnies troup in P1 was changed into aliens and wolf is figting just normal as he knows...
Quote from: Chocolate man! on Dec 22, 2007, 08:45:38 PM
Quote from: xenopred66 on Dec 22, 2007, 08:34:27 PM
Quote from: Chocolate man! on Dec 22, 2007, 08:28:23 PM
Quote from: Plokoon111 on Dec 22, 2007, 08:11:59 PM
I am thinking since Wolf seems to be an elder kind of predator, he looks like he was in a lot of hunts or training, and since predators are so involved with hunting aliens. Maybe Wolf has never infronted the predalien ever. Maybe he expertises in killing regular alien warriors, since we obviously see Wolf killing them easily. And than when Wolf sees the predalien hes in trouble, because he never seen that type of alien hybrid before.
Yes, but he knew about the Predalien before he left the home world because it showed up on his TV chair.
it might be his first fight with one.
Yes but why would he go on a mission to kill a hybrid, when he knew that he had no ecperience what soever in them, and would probabaly get killed?
Ah,man...read a little more and don't write so much.
He wasn't on a PredAlien cleaning mission.
He go to Earth to wipe out the Aliens and the hybrid.Since he's an alien too,he is in that cleaning mission.Wolf must eliminate him even if this cost his life.
Quote from: dDave on Dec 22, 2007, 08:56:42 PM
Quote from: Plokoon111 on Dec 22, 2007, 08:11:59 PM
I am thinking since Wolf seems to be an elder kind of predator, he looks like he was in a lot of hunts or training, and since predators are so involved with hunting aliens. Maybe Wolf has never infronted the predalien ever. Maybe he expertises in killing regular alien warriors, since we obviously see Wolf killing them easily. And than when Wolf sees the predalien hes in trouble, because he never seen that type of alien hybrid before.
The **Wolf Owning aliens theory** is a very difficult question! you know that! there are some people who hate it, some who loves it...
fact is, this movie will show an alien part, like the movies and a predator part, like in the movies!
that means, we will see aliens collecting hosts, moving in the dark, killing humen etc., like we already see it in the movies, especially aliens. then there is wolf. we see him hunting, fighting an other species, but this time more alien than human, as in the movies before...
the problem here is now, that the actions of the aliens dont evolve, they only had humen as prey( not opponents). the actions of wolf evolve very well... you could imagin, that arnies troup in P1 was changed into aliens and wolf is figting just normal as he knows...
Correction,Wolf is not on a hunt,he's on a cleaning mission. ;)
Quote from: Chocolate man! on Dec 22, 2007, 08:45:38 PM
Yes but why would he go on a mission to kill a hybrid, when he knew that he had no ecperience what soever in them, and would probabaly get killed?
Maybe he was looking forward to the opportunity of gaining experience against Predaliens, by encountering this one...
I can almost imagine this Predator in a Darth Vader suit saying "The Force is strong with this one" as he looks at the Predalien.
Quote from: Dutch Schaefer on Dec 22, 2007, 09:00:09 PM
Quote from: dDave on Dec 22, 2007, 08:56:42 PM
Quote from: Plokoon111 on Dec 22, 2007, 08:11:59 PM
I am thinking since Wolf seems to be an elder kind of predator, he looks like he was in a lot of hunts or training, and since predators are so involved with hunting aliens. Maybe Wolf has never infronted the predalien ever. Maybe he expertises in killing regular alien warriors, since we obviously see Wolf killing them easily. And than when Wolf sees the predalien hes in trouble, because he never seen that type of alien hybrid before.
The **Wolf Owning aliens theory** is a very difficult question! you know that! there are some people who hate it, some who loves it...
fact is, this movie will show an alien part, like the movies and a predator part, like in the movies!
that means, we will see aliens collecting hosts, moving in the dark, killing humen etc., like we already see it in the movies, especially aliens. then there is wolf. we see him hunting, fighting an other species, but this time more alien than human, as in the movies before...
the problem here is now, that the actions of the aliens dont evolve, they only had humen as prey( not opponents). the actions of wolf evolve very well... you could imagin, that arnies troup in P1 was changed into aliens and wolf is figting just normal as he knows...
Correction,Wolf is not on a hunt,he's on a cleaning mission. ;)
thx :-\ but that thats sure. otherwise its his mission... we know that he will hang people in trees and that could be called as "hunt"
but thats not the point^^
Maybe chet was his motivation for the cleaning mission? His reward for a job well done?
If Wolf was half the uber-pred he's been made out to be on these forums then fighting one predalien really shouldn't get him riled up. It would just be another kill to him. A little more challenging but just another day at work.
It's definitely contradictory that Scar could wound a Queen being just a teenager, yet an adult Predator that has expertise killing Aliens can't kill a molting PredAlien Queen without having his remaining weapons stripped during the course of the battle and getting stabbed.
QuoteIf Wolf was half the uber-pred he's been made out to be on these forums then fighting one predalien really shouldn't get him riled up. It would just be another kill to him. A little more challenging but just another day at work.
chet =! any ordinary alien. And compared to the previous alien fighting predators, wolf is definetly a lot better in that regard.
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It's definitely contradictory that Scar could wound a Queen being just a teenager, yet an adult Predator that has expertise killing Aliens can't kill a molting PredAlien Queen without having his remaining weapons stripped during the course of the battle and getting stabbed.
scar only wound it with long range weaponry and one attack when the queen was completely unaware of his presense, that really doesn't say much. Wolf and Chet's fight is more mano-e-mano and based on individual strength chet is easily the stronger of the two.
Scar would have been easily killed by the Queen, if it wouldn't have been for, ugh... Lex.
Quote from: chandoog on Dec 23, 2007, 08:08:28 PM
Wolf and Chet's fight is more mano-e-mano and based on individual strength chet is easily the stronger of the two.
Easily??? Well watch those clips again!
Even though Wolf get whipped by the tail and being trown away that doesn't mean much of Chet stength because he was holding two aliens by the time it get hit. Beside xeno tail's has always been their strong force. Wolf hit her and she goes Unbalanced probably by a kick or punch. He also hit her again with the wristblade(with strong force) and she scream out of pain calling for help before retreating. When Chet is charging at Wolf she has the momentum of speed and weight to her side and Wolf is able to hold her despite being pushed back.
I'm not saying Chet is not that strong(she is) but Wolf is strong either and it will not be a one way fight.
I expect Wolf to grab her and pushing and/or throwing her away and doing some other cool stuffs.
Quote from: Dusk on Dec 23, 2007, 08:11:30 PM
Scar would have been easily killed by the Queen, if it wouldn't have been for, ugh... Lex.
Agree... Considering Anderson Super Queen and pussy Scar Predator no doubt here ::)
I'm not trying to say that Scar is the Wolf Predator's equal, but it does strike me as odd that the Wolf Predator (that we've heard uses his brain over brawn) seems to take the same novice tactics when he's supposed to be the survivor of many Alien encounters. If he has probably encountered enough Queens to know better, why would he get into a boxing match with a molting one?
Quote from: The Chibi Kiriyama on Dec 23, 2007, 09:25:49 PM
I'm not trying to say that Scar is the Wolf Predator's equal, but it does strike me as odd that the Wolf Predator (that we've heard uses his brain over brawn) seems to take the same novice tactics when he's supposed to be the survivor of many Alien encounters. If he has probably encountered enough Queens to know better, why would he get into a boxing match with a molting one?
Ask the Brothers or Shalerno. The brothers told us and want us to watch a cool movie over the logic and this is what they are giving us. I don't mind seeing boxing though since Predator has shown us they can do it.
The predators can do much more that what we have saw, they are an evolving species just as us. I already said here they are the perfect blend of intelligence in the form of humanoid animal.
I expect the aliens to stay the way they are ruthless, agressive and animal above all.
I support the movie, and I hope it delivers,
but honestly there's no rational reasoning to make the Aliens rag dolls, you can still emphasize Wolf's skills without making the Aliens props instead of live creatures. I know they were trying to hi-lite Chet's and Wolf's awesomeness, but then Aliens are sort of the Fifth Wheel, which is unfortunate...
We'll see...
Something I noticed.
Every alien encounter of Scar after the one where he slices the head, Scar had to be saved by Lex.
The reason wolf is boxing the predalien is logical to how the pred boxed or slapped the hell out of Dutch. Wolf has obviously seen the predalien, and wants a fair match. he wants her head in his ship. The same how the jungle hunter wanted Dutch's head. I have noticed how the predators will always find the toughest, smartest, important, hardest to kill, and get a trophy. And i'm sure Wolf already has many other xenomorph sculls. I guess it is ritual for a predator to have a fair fight w/o a mask, and heavy weapons, and fight stripped of weapons, and I am sure Chet has an idea to what Wolf wants.
For one, the Aliens in the movie of the same name were able to realize that cutting the power would leave the Colonial Marines relatively defenseless. Secondly, it has been stressed in interviews that the Wolf Predator is out to "clean." He's not like the hunters, so why he would want a skull baffles me.
Quote from: Yautja666 on Dec 23, 2007, 09:12:55 PM
Quote from: chandoog on Dec 23, 2007, 08:08:28 PM
Wolf and Chet's fight is more mano-e-mano and based on individual strength chet is easily the stronger of the two.
Easily??? Well watch those clips again!
Even though Wolf get whipped by the tail and being trown away that doesn't mean much of Chet stength because he was holding two aliens by the time it get hit. Beside xeno tail's has always been their strong force. Wolf hit her and she goes Unbalanced probably by a kick or punch. He also hit her again with the wristblade(with strong force) and she scream out of pain calling for help before retreating. When Chet is charging at Wolf she has the momentum of speed and weight to her side and Wolf is able to hold her despite being pushed back.
I'm not saying Chet is not that strong(she is) but Wolf is strong either and it will not be a one way fight.
I expect Wolf to grab her and pushing and/or throwing her away and doing some other cool stuffs.
If this was a movie with "normal Aliens", not "downgraded Aliens", a normal drone would be stronger than any Predator.
But the Strauses are just the biggest Predator fanboys ever.
That is absolutely ridiculous.
An unarmed Dutch was nothing more than play-thing for the Predator, a punching bag to let off some steam until he got bored. The idea that Dutch vs Predator unarmed was a "fair fight" beggars belief. Thinking a Predator fighting a Predalien with his bare hands would also be the idea of a "fair fight" is also beyond ludicrous. There is nothing stopping the Predalien from just tearing a Predator to pieces in melee combat, other than the fact that Wolf is arbitrarily invulnerable until the script finally alows the Predalien to land a deathblow.
Well the predalien has aliens to help her fight wolf and wolf has weapons to help him fight her so take them away and let the battle commence.
Quote from: Knuckles on Dec 23, 2007, 11:25:38 PM
Quote from: Yautja666 on Dec 23, 2007, 09:12:55 PM
Quote from: chandoog on Dec 23, 2007, 08:08:28 PM
Wolf and Chet's fight is more mano-e-mano and based on individual strength chet is easily the stronger of the two.
Easily??? Well watch those clips again!
Even though Wolf get whipped by the tail and being trown away that doesn't mean much of Chet stength because he was holding two aliens by the time it get hit. Beside xeno tail's has always been their strong force. Wolf hit her and she goes Unbalanced probably by a kick or punch. He also hit her again with the wristblade(with strong force) and she scream out of pain calling for help before retreating. When Chet is charging at Wolf she has the momentum of speed and weight to her side and Wolf is able to hold her despite being pushed back.
I'm not saying Chet is not that strong(she is) but Wolf is strong either and it will not be a one way fight.
I expect Wolf to grab her and pushing and/or throwing her away and doing some other cool stuffs.
If this was a movie with "normal Aliens", not "downgraded Aliens", a normal drone would be stronger than any Predator.
But the Strauses are just the biggest Predator fanboys ever.
In your dream buddy ::)
QuoteIf this was a movie with "normal Aliens", not "downgraded Aliens", a normal drone would be stronger than any Predator.
But the Strauses are just the biggest Predator fanboys ever.
^ No way, any proof?
Lol no normal drone is stronger than a Predator...
Even in AVP where it way made by Alien fanboy Paul Andersen the normal drone was not stronger than a Predator.
ITS BASIC: An pred with no pred tech will have a very very hard time with an alien drone, or warrior. BUT if the pred has his tech he can easily defeat the alien easier.
The Alien movies are full of examples of Alien strength. The final scene in Alien 3 where the creature leaps out of the lead mold suggests astronomical power way beyond anything show in Predator or Predator 2, although I must admit it does challenge my suspension of disbeleif a bit.
It's also worth noting that the Alien exoskeleton allows it to do things with brute force that I don't believe a Predator would be able to do. For example, breaking through the metal doors in Aliens and Alien Ressurection.
Quote from: Plokoon111 on Dec 24, 2007, 01:19:33 AM
ITS BASIC: An pred with no pred tech will have a very very hard time with an alien drone, or warrior. BUT if the pred has his tech he can easily defeat the alien easier.
I suppose it's on level with if a human as his or her tech, such as a powerloader, then he or she can battle it out with a full sized alien queen and chuck it out the cargo door
No Wolf is an elder pred n an expert against ALIENS, no matter the variation, ALIENS r ALIENS n Wolf can kill em. I doubt wolf has never seen a predalien be4, hes an elder, he is VERY VERY OLD, n hes 1000 yrs old!!! So a 1000 yr old ALIEN expert havent seen a predalien yet? I doubt so
Quote from: The Chibi Kiriyama on Dec 23, 2007, 11:21:06 PM
For one, the Aliens in the movie of the same name were able to realize that cutting the power would leave the Colonial Marines relatively defenseless. Secondly, it has been stressed in interviews that the Wolf Predator is out to "clean." He's not like the hunters, so why he would want a skull baffles me.
If you think of his role as cleaner as a kind of "job" he would relish in the opportunity to hunt a predalien and add it to his skull collection, even if it wasn't part of his "job". You know... a little extra on the side, a bit of incentive to get his ass down to earth.
On the trading cards, it says that in the final fight, Wolf decides to switch to hunter-with-honor mode from cleaner mode.
So Wolf has a switch on his back that has those options? :o COOLLLL! AWESOMME!!! ;D ;)
Can you tell us the exact words used? That sounds like a horrible idea. =/
Hopefully its a medafore/ (SP)
Quote from: Alienseseses on Dec 24, 2007, 01:50:15 AM
On the trading cards, it says that in the final fight, Wolf decides to switch to hunter-with-honor mode from cleaner mode.
That's kind of lame, why not just kill the damned Predalien and go back home?
Predators have been consistently cocky and over-confident, it's a trademark of the species in my opinion. The way I see it the first Predator was toying with Dutch in the same way a cat toys with a mouse, if you watch the deleted scenes, at one point Dutch says out loud for the benefit of the audience "The bastard's playing with me".
The difference is that the Predalien isn't a play-thing for Wolf, he's a genuine threat that should be able to tear him limb from limb given half a chance.
Quote from: Porkus Maximus on Dec 24, 2007, 01:22:42 AM
The Alien movies are full of examples of Alien strength. The final scene in Alien 3 where the creature leaps out of the lead mold suggests astronomical power way beyond anything show in Predator or Predator 2, although I must admit it does challenge my suspension of disbeleif a bit.
It's also worth noting that the Alien exoskeleton allows it to do things with brute force that I don't believe a Predator would be able to do. For example, breaking through the metal doors in Aliens and Alien Ressurection.
So does the Predator movies too. No it suggest that xeno exoskeleton is able to resist the lead mold but not indefinitely. we can see it was damaged and a little more longer it would have been dissolved. Ahh yes the door.. let me remind you it was a colonial door grade not a military one. Predators has shown us they were able to break through a lot of obstacles as well. Their feats are awesome. Also they are more resistant to all caliber of weapons as shown in the films with or without armour. Example: Hit by Bamboo Stick grenade, grenade rounds, cryogas gun, radiation, lightning, log, 12 gauge rounds, pistol rounds, rifle rounds etc... while xenos body will break a part as soon as their exoskeleton is pierce, i mean they blow up like popcorn.
Quotewhile xenos body will break a part as soon as their exoskeleton is pierce, i mean they blow up like popcorn.
...What? All four Alien films including the first AVP show examples that prove this wrong.
well, lik in A:R, the alien gets shot in the head once and his head explodes(whats that about anyway??)
We don't know what type of round that was, and it's hardly a case of being pierced once. The only case I can think of is the spear having been stuck in the Alien that attacks Lex for so long that it dies of that wound, but in the same film we see that the exoskeleton can be pierced by a Predator's net and the Alien can go on. The Queen was attacked multiple times by her spawn, and she was still ticking. Aliens shows us that it takes well-aimed pulse rifle rounds (rounds which are futuristic and powerful) to kill an Alien, as handgun rounds and some pulse rifle rounds ricochet off the hide of the creature. Alien: Resurrection also shows that it takes quite a time in clawing to expose the entrails so that those Aliens could use their comrade's remains to escape.
As I said, they don't just explode like popcorn.
Quote from: The Chibi Kiriyama on Dec 24, 2007, 03:41:05 AM
Quotewhile xenos body will break a part as soon as their exoskeleton is pierce, i mean they blow up like popcorn.
...What? All four Alien films including the first AVP show examples that prove this wrong.
You missed aliens 2 then. When they were hits, they were shredded to pieces must be the pressure inside they skull. i recognize it's no standard ammo that can do this but the one using explosive tip rounds still they break nonetheless.
Quote from: Yautja666 on Dec 24, 2007, 03:56:27 AMYou missed aliens 2 then. When they were hits, they were shredded to pieces must be the pressure inside they skull.
The APC was solid enough to slam through that wall to allow access to the hive. I still don't see what you're getting at. Neither a human nor a Predator would survive being run over by something that heavy.
Quotei recognize it's no standard ammo that can do this but the one using explosive tip rounds still they break nonetheless.
Then we agree that it takes more than just a random piercing of the exoskeleton to kill one.
Quote from: The Chibi Kiriyama on Dec 24, 2007, 04:06:18 AM
The APC was solid enough to slam through that wall to allow access to the hive. I still don't see what you're getting at. Neither a human nor a Predator would survive being run over by something that heavy.
I agree but that wasn't my point. My point was to mention that Predators are solid as well as xenos but both differently. example: Can you see a xeno being hit hard by a grenade in the face and survive? don't think so. But the Predator has done this. Predator tend to be more resistant to medium to high caliber weapons while xeno bounced off light projectiles. Xeno can survive lead mold(not for long though) while Predator survive lightning, radiation, cryogenic gun. Both are resilient in they own way.
Since we have two more films in the Alien franchise compared to the Predator one, i would have liked to see 2 more Predator films to be equal. That would have bring new interesting features, new discoveries of them not to say the least.
QuoteThen we agree that it takes more than just a random piercing of the exoskeleton to kill one.
More or less depends of the weapons used. Our present time weapons can kill them very quickly, suffice to choose the right ones. Also few rounds can kill them with those weapons below.
For the records let's look at the two mains firearms used by colonial marines, it's a copy/paste from wikipedia.
The M41A Pulse Rifle is an air cooled, fully automatic, short- to mid-range combat rifle. Made of light alloy plates, it fires 10x24mm
Armor Piercing Caseless Rounds from a 100 round U-bend magazine in either semi automatic, five round burst, or fully automatic rates of fire. The magazines could only practically hold 99 rounds and were usually underloaded to 95% capacity to avoid jamming. The Pulse rifle has a small battery powered digital readout screen that displays number of rounds left in the magazine; the battery is located in the handgrip. With a retractable stock and an underslung 30 mm PN grenade launcher, this weapon can be used as a carbine and an assault rifle.
The M56 fires 10x28mm armor Piercing caseless ammunition. In comparison, the M41A fires 10x24mm caseless ammunition. The M56 has a capacity of 300 rounds (or in rare cases, 500-round magazines). In comparison, the M41A has a maximum capacity of 99 rounds.
The name "Smart Gun" comes from the advanced firing computer which is integrated into the weapon. This computer is capable of various enhancements to the operation, the most obvious being that it can help the operator by locking onto moving targets (usually the center of mass of a target) and aiming the weapon. The entire mechanism can swivel in a limited arc to correct the shooter's aim. When a target has been acquired it is up to the operator to choose to fire. This function can be toggled on or off, as well as combined with other aspects of the weapon.
Since the weapon is heavy and has a large bulk due to the targeting computer, ammunition storage and the attached mechanics a special vest was developed to make the weapon more comfortable to handle.
See no mention of explosive tips rounds though but simply
armor piercing rounds which could be ap rounds.
p.s. I admit that ap rounds would kill a Predator too but not that quick unless hit in vital parts imo.
Quote from: The Chibi Kiriyama on Dec 24, 2007, 04:06:18 AM
Quote from: Yautja666 on Dec 24, 2007, 03:56:27 AMYou missed aliens 2 then. When they were hits, they were shredded to pieces must be the pressure inside they skull.
The APC was solid enough to slam through that wall to allow access to the hive. I still don't see what you're getting at. Neither a human nor a Predator would survive being run over by something that heavy.
Quotei recognize it's no standard ammo that can do this but the one using explosive tip rounds still they break nonetheless.
Then we agree that it takes more than just a random piercing of the exoskeleton to kill one.
I remember watching the special features on Aliens and they said that the vehicle they used for the APC was so heavy it actually buckled all of the flooring they were driving on.
QuoteIf he has probably encountered enough Queens to know better, why would he get into a boxing match with a molting one?
because its f**king HARDCOOOREEE !
I cant believe you're arguing over what a Predator can and cant take, FFS. The log finished the first Predator, its not an example of what it can endure.
What exactly happened to the first Predator before that we would have to disqualify the log's impact as being a good example of the limits to their endurance? ???
wolf owning aliens is totally logical.....as long as the aliens just sit there and let themselves get killed ::)
this doesnt show wolf being superior, it shows that these aliens are just weaker then they should be.
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I am thinking since Wolf seems to be an elder kind of predator, he looks like he was in a lot of hunts or training, and since predators are so involved with hunting aliens. Maybe Wolf has never infronted the predalien ever. Maybe he expertises in killing regular alien warriors, since we obviously see Wolf killing them easily. And than when Wolf sees the predalien hes in trouble, because he never seen that type of alien hybrid before.
Yes, but he knew about the Predalien before he left the home world because it showed up on his TV chair.
it might be his first fight with one.
Yes but why would he go on a mission to kill a hybrid, when he knew that he had no ecperience what soever in them, and would probabaly get killed?
To prove to himself that he's the badest mo fo around and the knowledge that he fought one of his hardest opponents. I guess those are one of the same, but worded differently.... ha. Oh, yes and to get a new trophy of course....
QuoteSee no mention of explosive tips rounds though but simply armor piercing rounds which could be ap rounds.
I'll take the evidence provided
IN THE MOVIE over some sourceless copy/paste from Wikipedia thanks.
Quote from: Porkus Maximus on Dec 24, 2007, 01:37:59 PM
QuoteSee no mention of explosive tips rounds though but simply armor piercing rounds which could be ap rounds.
I'll take the evidence provided IN THE MOVIE over some sourceless copy/paste from Wikipedia thanks.
And the evidence said otherwise in the movie?
RIPLEY: Lieutenant what do those Pulse Rifle's fire?
GORMAN: 10mm explosive tipped caseless, standard light armour piercing rounds. Why?
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RIPLEY: Lieutenant what do those Pulse Rifle's fire?
GORMAN: 10mm explosive tipped caseless, standard light armour piercing rounds. Why?
ok fine. But it said a standard round which pierce
light armour, a round using explosive tipped to pierce light armour. So Aliens have weak natural armour then??? Also we can both agree that a round of that size and length has very few explosive substance in it, few milligrams. All in all this is not a very futuristic weapon because right now we have a wide variety of rounds of that caliber and even way higher like the superb 12.7mm rounds(.50) and also special shotguns, both can use explosive or even hi explosive rounds.
Anyway i concur that both aliens and predators hit with those rounds would prove fatal to them but the latter resist more to med-high caliber projectiles nonetheless.
We still have no clue as to what constitutes as "light" armor in the Aliens timeframe.
QuoteSo Aliens have weak natural armour then???
If you watch scenes where Aliens get shot by Pulse Rifles, especially in the Ops. battle, it doesn't look like every single shot penetrates. So no, their armour is not weak. The Alien that Hicks nails at point blank in the elevator has some pretty huge holes blown in its head, so whatever they're using in the Pulse Rifle must be fairly potent,
if it penetrates.
Quote from: The Chibi Kiriyama on Dec 24, 2007, 06:13:22 PM
We still have no clue as to what constitutes as "light" armor in the Aliens timeframe.
The USCM in Aliens wasn't wearing that heavy of armor, but I don't think they would go up against an unknown threat with one of their lighter armors do you? So I'm thinking that we saw their version of heavy to medium armor in the movie.
Quote from: The Chibi Kiriyama on Dec 24, 2007, 06:13:22 PM
We still have no clue as to what constitutes as "light" armor in the Aliens timeframe.
Agree. But for me light is light and so on. The fact is xenos hits by thoses small firearms were shredded.
Quote from: Porkus Maximus on Dec 24, 2007, 06:17:25 PM
QuoteSo Aliens have weak natural armour then???
If you watch scenes where Aliens get shot by Pulse Rifles, especially in the Ops. battle, it doesn't look like every single shot penetrates. So no, their armour is not weak. The Alien that Hicks nails at point blank in the elevator has some pretty huge holes blown in its head, so whatever they're using in the Pulse Rifle must be fairly potent, if it penetrates.
Possible.. but facts are the majority of the time it penetrates and then the xenos break in pieces. I like those weapons, love the design and i find them cool though but i'm not that impressed with their performance or power. Nowaday weapons can do better than that. :)
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Quote from: The Chibi Kiriyama on Dec 24, 2007, 06:13:22 PM
We still have no clue as to what constitutes as "light" armor in the Aliens timeframe.
Agree. But for me light is light and so on. The fact is xenos hits by thoses small firearms were shredded.
Huh? the ones shot by the pistols weren't shredded. Those were the only light firearms in the movie.
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Quote from: The Chibi Kiriyama on Dec 24, 2007, 06:13:22 PM
We still have no clue as to what constitutes as "light" armor in the Aliens timeframe.
Agree. But for me light is light and so on. The fact is xenos hits by thoses small firearms were shredded.
Huh? the ones shot by the pistols weren't shredded. Those were the only light firearms in the movie.
Yes, i meant the small compact assault rifles my bad ;)
Some of the explosive-tip caseless pulse rifle rounds bounced off of them, too. The handgun rounds aren't the only case, if you look at the movie carefully. We see them die from specific pulse rifle bursts, face-to-face handgun shots, grenade launcher rounds, and excessive pressure applied to their exoskeleton.
Quote from: The Chibi Kiriyama on Dec 24, 2007, 07:52:04 PM
Some of the explosive-tip caseless pulse rifle rounds bounced off of them, too. The handgun rounds aren't the only case, if you look at the movie carefully. We see them die from specific pulse rifle bursts, face-to-face handgun shots, grenade launcher rounds, and excessive pressure applied to their exoskeleton.
it's possible with the distance(less velocity) and the angle of the target knowing xenos have curved body some might bounce off. The handgun aren't using explosive rounds just normal rounds. For the pressure i totally agree here no others species should survives this either.
Hate to get dragged into a pointless argument like this but sometimes I have to let my opinion know. Anyone who says modern day firearms are more effective than what we see in Aliens is out of their mind. Seeing how it's set hundreds of years in the future I think we can assume that the rounds the weapons fire are way more advanced than what we have today, even the pistol rounds. First of all the rounds are caseless, which signifies a different way of propelling a bullet from what we have today. By that time new propellants would have been developed that would propel the bullets at much higher velocities than what we have now. Secondly, no assault rifle today fires a round with a diameter as high as 10mm. Most modern day weapons fire a 5.56mm round and no 5.56mm satisfies the requirements of being incendiary, armor-piercing, and explosive tipped. In todays world it is a trade off, if you wanted an explosive bullet you would be getting a bullet that could be very easily stopped by body armor. A 10mmx24mm would be about the size of a modern day .40 cal round which is much heavier than most assault rifle bullets today. However .40 cal rounds are not going to be penetrating any sort of light armor.
Hopefully in seeing AVP:R they make a point of showing that low powered modern day weapons such as pistols and buckshot simply bounce off the aliens exoskeleton, however I doubt this since the exoskelton present in the first three movies seems to have been replaced with fleshy goo.