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Thats a sweet first predalien design.
Nice!
Thanks for sharing!
Quote from: Weasel on Dec 19, 2007, 12:32:18 AM
Thats a sweet first predalien design.
Yeah it look pretty cool!!
Interesting.
Why does that predalien look better than the current design?
Quote from: boythatkills on Dec 19, 2007, 12:33:07 AM
Interesting.
Very interesting. Thanks for posting man, they look great. Got anymore?
concept art tends to be much better than the finished product....
shame.
The concept PredAlien looks much better than what we finally got.
I think they wanted to balance out the predator more.
how do you mean?
???
balance him out in what way?
Uuuh, nice original predalien, aww man.
More predator in the alien. Making the skin the same pigment etc. So instead of just having an alien with mandibles and a little hair.
The irony is that this was already more Predator than it was Alien. ::)
...?
Pretty sweet! I'm very satisfied with the final design though.
Funny, the final predalien turned out to be gay looking, yet had great concept art.
The Predator looks great, but in the concept art doesn't.
Quote from: megachu17 on Dec 19, 2007, 12:56:16 AM
...?
Do I really need to explain it?
Alien-out-of-a-Predator-Mandibles
-No shell necessary if the rest are shell-less
*The rest is Alien
Their first PredAlien-An Alien with the Wolf's mandibles and shortened dreadlocks
-Fleshy design much more prominent; yet to be highlighted
*Half Alien, half Predator
The final PredAlien-A Predator with an Alien shell and spiked Predator dreadlocks
-Fleshy design now accompanied by Predator freckles
*...??
u realize "aliens" in the way ur refering 2 them hav as many human traits at the predalien has pred traits, thats y it looks so "un-alien", its just as much alien, exept where it would hav the human traits that ur used 2 cing, it has pred traits insted
I like the predalien, it looks great!
Quote from: megachu17 on Dec 19, 2007, 01:07:46 AM
u realize "aliens" in the way ur refering 2 them hav as many human traits at the predalien has pred traits
...
What? It has two legs and only came with a skull underneath a transluscent shell in the first movie. ???
ok, fill me in on the point ur trying 2 mak cuz im lost...in the first film, it came from a human, thus, a "typical" alien, with the traits ur used 2 cing...
That first concept design is the best predalien ive seen
Quote from: automirage04 on Dec 19, 2007, 01:17:44 AM
That first concept design is the best predalien ive seen
I think the Dave Dorman predalien is the best one. But that one would certainly be up there.
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On the right. Could that be the Predalien's in-between stage from burster to adult that we're supposed to see in the movie?
^ Interesting! I just noticed nice catch.
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On the right. Could that be the Predalien's in-between stage from burster to adult that we're supposed to see in the movie?
Doubt it, the mouth is completly diffrent, though it is also diffrent with the predalien chestburster.
Might be on to something.
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damn. if they would stuck with something more like this it would have actually looked like an Alien.
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damn. if they would stuck with something more like this it would have actually looked like an Alien.
True, though in fairness i prefer the movie predaliens alien 3 style mouth and visible skull.
Quote from: Spaghetti on Dec 19, 2007, 01:35:47 AM
damn. if they would stuck with something more like this it would have actually looked like an Alien.
but nooo, it has to have muscles and flesh all over the body ::)
blah, i lov the current predalien, personally, i dont think that first concept 1 is that good, its not predator almost at all(which is y most ppl lov it, but i think a predalien should be very predator...)
^ Finally someone who likes it. THE one thing I hate about Mrs. PA is the skin and muscle.
I agree with the bulk of people here - that concept Predalien is TONS better than what we've been left with ....
Quote from: vehtam on Dec 19, 2007, 01:39:13 AM
Quote from: Spaghetti on Dec 19, 2007, 01:35:47 AM
damn. if they would stuck with something more like this it would have actually looked like an Alien.
but nooo, it has to have muscles and flesh all over the body ::)
:'(
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its not that bad....wait yes it is.
production shot, show me 1 from the clips
Yeah so far I love the Predalien shot of her jumping up, and roaring. The predalien looks freaky and great! BIO MECHANICAL- - - ::)
Quote from: Plokoon111 on Dec 19, 2007, 01:55:45 AM
The predalien looks freaky and great! BIO MECHANICAL- - - ::)
:-X
you better be friggin' kidding.
It does, the lips the scull, her reproduction method, the mandibles, the spikes, the lining, the hands, and a bit of the arms, the tail kind of.
Visible skull, Runner like mouth. These are the only redeeming features of the Predalien for me :-[
You sir must be blind than, the only not bio I can see, is the annoying muscle and skin, a bit of the legs, and armor.
Quote from: Plokoon111 on Dec 19, 2007, 02:01:03 AM
You sir must be blind than, the only not bio I can see, is the annoying muscle and skin, a bit of the legs, and armor.
She's got pred looking skin on front bio black look on back, about half and half. I realized after I had 3D figure of her how badass she actually is.
Quote from: Weasel on Dec 19, 2007, 12:52:01 AM
More predator in the alien. Making the skin the same pigment etc. So instead of just having an alien with mandibles and a little hair.
The mandible structure is neither like a Predator's nor very functional for an Alien's. I don't know why this, the most iconic and important feature of the Predalien, was as screwed up as it was. This concept art now proves that it
was envisaged as having properly functioning jaws.
Why in the world was that changed?
The mandibles looking so... Separate, has caused just about everyone to note how they look more like a design afterthought, than something built into it from the beginning. They're my biggest problem with it. If they had only got the jaws looking cohesive and right, I could even have tolerated the flesh they put all over it.
Quote from: Plokoon111 on Dec 19, 2007, 01:59:46 AM
It does, the lips the scull, her reproduction method, the mandibles, the spikes, the lining, the hands, and a bit of the arms, the tail kind of.
You need to look at the book, '
Giger's Alien', to revise your opinion of how 'biomechanical' should be defined. :)
Quote from: Plokoon111 on Dec 19, 2007, 01:59:46 AM
the lips the scull
The skull dome may be something, but all i see it is a small redeeming aspect of a overall crappy design
Quoteher reproduction method
Eh, although i agree it has a sexual aspect that could be seen as Gigeresque, i still see it as going against canon, and very B-movie rippoff-ish
Quotethe mandibles
I dont see how predator mandibles have anything to do with anything biomechanical.
Quotethe spikes
Tubes seem more biomechanical to me
Quotethe lining
what?
Quotethe hands,
Seem like the same four fingered flipper hands ADI always used.
Quoteand a bit of the arms, the tail kind of.
Same amount as the human born aliens, nothing compared to the original biomechanical
Compaired to the ugly puss-bag that was the newborn. I'm elated that we have a decent hybrid design in the predalien.
Funny, i actually liked the newborn, well except its silly m.j. nose.
lol, compared 2 the newborn, ricky is a good predalien
Please tell me that the change from the first predalien to the current one was because of Fox meddling...if not, that was a very BAD creative decision.
ok... i personally think that the concept design of the predalien is much more cooler... i love it!
1.but to be fair... i oso think wat we have in the final movie is more suitable... the reson is... the predalien in the movie is surpose to be a threat for wolf... it should be a strong and have some equal strenght with wolf....
2. the concept art predalien seems to be v similar to other worrior alien except the head... so it would be v hard to differentiate in the dark scene if the predalien and da worrior walk togather... and becuz it looks similar to the worrior (except the head)... it would be funny to c... wolf can easily kill worrior but not the predalien that have the exact body stucture with the worrior... and sommore.. the concept art predalien only looks cool and nice but doesn't look strong to me...
Quote from: wolfboy on Dec 19, 2007, 02:25:58 AM
Please tell me that the change from the first predalien to the current one was because of Fox meddling...if not, that was a very BAD creative decision.
I can remember reading that it was fox, they needed the predalien to look more recognizable, for the casual cinema goers.
That Predalien is noticeably superior to the final version.
Quote from: hisateru on Dec 19, 2007, 02:30:43 AM
ok... i personally think that the concept design of the predalien is much more cooler... i love it!
1.but to be fair... i oso think wat we have in the final movie is more suitable... the reson is... the predalien in the movie is surpose to be a threat for wolf... it should be a strong and have some equal strenght with wolf....
2. the concept art predalien seems to be v similar to other worrior alien except the head... so it would be v hard to differentiate in the dark scene if the predalien and da worrior walk togather... and becuz it looks similar to the worrior (except the head)... it would be funny to c... wolf can easily kill worrior but not the predalien that have the exact body stucture with the worrior... and sommore.. the concept art predalien only looks cool and nice but doesn't look strong to me...
1. Some equal strength to Wolf? The Pred-alien should be downright overwhelming in physical strength. Likewise, a human 'birthed' alien warrior should logically outmatch a predator's physical ability simply based on the type of physical and organic structure they have compared to the "Yautja". This is where the comics, novels and so forth start to go horribly wrong. That and making them almost completely mindless. It looks as though the AVP films are heading down the drain with them.
2. I understand, the need to diferentiate the pred-alien better in such a dark setting, but surely there are better options than this. The design is almost perfect for the ideal pred-alien, but the dreads look absurd, the predator flesh tone is out of place and the mandables need a tighter-to-face design. They look like they're barely attached to it's head. I won't even go into the Strause Bros. fancy new reproduction method. *shudders*
Again, turning the aliens we're so familiar with into mindless, weak, insect-like vermin is a major problem and indirectly cheapens the preds by a considerable amount. They hunt them because they're suppose to be the 'ultimate prey' and a truly worthy adversary. This kinda defeats the purpose.
ok.. i kind of agree with u... bio mech.
the only thing that always bothered me is that why there r people always dislike the idea that wolf can easily kill those worrior alien... especially those "alien fans"... the idea of it actually doesn't bothered me... if u r so call "alien fans" (means should understand almost all alien characteristic and all the fact in those previous alien franchise movie), and had watch all the alien movie... pls tell me why a normal corporal marine can easily kill an alien worrior with human technology weapon but a more superior predator can't?... i really 1 2 know this... r those all simply juz a fans bitching or it is really unreasonable?
hehe
The marines shot the Aliens with high-powered light-armour-piercing explosive tipped futuristic weapons.
Wolf is bitch slapping them to death with his bare hands.
Oddly, I see a difference.
that's what differentiate human and predator's strength... u should accept it... even predator can be kill by juz a wood blog... no one bitching about it....
and summore... in a combat... only one who r more experience in it will be the victor... and predator can kill the alien with the wrist blade(not bared hand) is juz because he took the initiative chance of move faster than the alien... this is the idea of melee combat... i think if he not doing it carefully... he is already a dead meat in front of those alien...
Quote from: hisateru on Dec 19, 2007, 04:00:23 AM
even predator can be kill by juz a wood blog... no one bitching about it....
The log didn't kill the Predator. His
massive freaking self destruct device did.
Quoteonly one who r more experience in it will be the victor
I can shoot Jet Li to death. Does that explain how someone
else could beat him into a pulp with their bare hands? No.
Quote from: SiL on Dec 19, 2007, 04:17:50 AM
Quote from: hisateru on Dec 19, 2007, 04:00:23 AM
even predator can be kill by juz a wood blog... no one bitching about it....
The log didn't kill the Predator. His massive freaking self destruct device did.
Quoteonly one who r more experience in it will be the victor
I can shoot Jet Li to death. Does that explain how someone else could beat him into a pulp with their bare hands? No.
Technically the Pred wasnt killed by the log, but obviously it would have died.
u should oso understand... alien only will be strong if they work in a pack.... if juz single one on one... they r surely a loser in front of the predator...
people might say... there r a bunch of alien in the sewer..yet he can kill all..... that what tells why wolf need 2 shoulder canon... cuz he knew he can't match those alien in a pack... so he must use long range weapon... 2 summore....
ripley can kill a bunch of alien with those so call futuristic riffle machine gun and flamethrower... predator oso can with 2 shoulder canon....
i think we all should appreciate wat have been made in the movie... i know the strauss were doing a hard job to fullfill those fans.... we dun know the hardship they been come through... only knows how 2 talk... i think we all should stop bitching around if there really no big problem in it....
really reconsider your oppinion... watch those alien and predator film again even if u r oledi watch it thousand times.... do u really think alien is that superior campare to predator.... the alien in the 1st alien seem gay 2 me too... but why people still think it is good(although i oso think is good)... is juz da same idea here... why u can accept the gay alien in 1st alien movie but u can't accept it here...
and summore... those people always talk about "canon this canon that"... why can't they introduce new breed method if they r not 100% alien... and wat makes u said wat u seen in the past is the is the "ultimate fixed life cycle".... izzit becuz u din c it in the past so u think it is a spoiler to da franchise? 1st movie din tell there should be a queen... yet people accept it in "aliens" where it is juz an logical idea of james cameron... every new film have 2 be come out something people never seen b4.. it doesn't bothered me.. so u will not seeing the same thing running around in every movie...boring!!
and it already tells the lifecycle change is becuz of predator DNA in it... dun tell me predator doesn't breed like that cuz previous movie din show... oh stop that.. who knows... in fact they r juz fictionary species... should they show everything include how 2 make love... or shit after having meal... no!!
wats new to me in the alien part... doesn't bothered me...i'm am an alien fan... wats new to pred oso doesn't bothered me.. cuz i'm oso a pred fan... and summore i like those franchise is not becuz of those creature... is becuz the story.... i remember when i watch those movie... i only care about the human.. i wish they survive and kick those alien and predator's butt... i dun think u shout to the alien "hey alien... bite her head... kill ripley... i hate her... juz kill her at once"...i think it same 2 all of u...
"I can shoot Jet Li to death. Does that explain how someone else could beat him into a pulp with their bare hands? No."
bare hand..no!! but if with waepon... yes... why make u think u can't... and juz a remind... pred kill with wrist blade...weapon!! not bare hand
"I can shoot Jet Li to death. Does that explain how someone else could beat him into a pulp with their bare hands? No."
the reply this quote... wat u said is actually turning around back 2 wat i've mention... if theres really no 1 can beat him up... thats wat explain wat i've mention... the more experience will be the victor... cuz i dun c most of the people have more melee combat experience than jet lee... si?
dun counter people's quote in the sake of counter.. find something to support urself
and summore.. yes.. predator blown himself up... but it is obvious to everybody he is dying.. and pred knows about that as well so he blown himself up cuz he dun1 to leave any evidence of his existence... he'll die even if he din blown himself..
hisateru, are you 12 years old or just retarded?
Man, people are entitled to there opinion....theres no need to call people retarrted. unless the have some form of retardation, then it otay.
sry if any of retardation apeal to u... but i assure u i'm not... and i dun c wat i've said shows i'm juz 12 compared to those who always bitching around.... wat i've said is fair 2 both side of franchise and maturely surport wat strause have done.... i'm juz trying to stop those people who disagree thing with no reason...
or r u the 1 who actually 12 years old?
hey, guys. no need for bitching here, all that we should be doing is shareing are views, not putting each other down.
Quote from: hisateru on Dec 19, 2007, 02:30:43 AM
ok... i personally think that the concept design of the predalien is much more cooler... i love it!
1.but to be fair... i oso think wat we have in the final movie is more suitable... the reson is... the predalien in the movie is surpose to be a threat for wolf... it should be a strong and have some equal strenght with wolf....
2. the concept art predalien seems to be v similar to other worrior alien except the head... so it would be v hard to differentiate in the dark scene if the predalien and da worrior walk togather... and becuz it looks similar to the worrior (except the head)... it would be funny to c... wolf can easily kill worrior but not the predalien that have the exact body stucture with the worrior... and sommore.. the concept art predalien only looks cool and nice but doesn't look strong to me...
LOL you could spell differentiate, nice.
well... i'm not da 1 who started this... i never call other people retarded.. even if i disagree with someone i do point out why i dun support it... and never pointing out people's name
anyway.. yea... free to talk ur own oppinion..
wat i've said from the 1st quote till now is juz my own oppinion... sry to everyone... enjoy urself
Quote from: hisateru on Dec 19, 2007, 06:26:01 AM
and i dun c wat i've said shows i'm juz 12 compared to those who always bitching around
The fact you seem yet to master primary school-level spelling and grammar for a start.
Hehe, always the one to speak your mind ey Sil?
is my "differentiate" spell correctly? thx...
i thought i spell wrongly...lol
Seriously, try a little punctuation and spelling and grammar. I feel like I can't see properly when reading this stuff.
common'.... this no english class... there r a lot people in the forum spell wrong or use wrong grammar too... as long as u understand thats enough... i agree i 'm no gud in english... if u can disagree wat i've said... thats mean u understand... no?
lol
I can understand what ya mean just fine, theres no need of perfect grammer, just so long as it's understandable.
thx wraith... (thank you, wraith)
i should try to type in proper english... hehe
anyway... i really appreciate your support
thx wraith
ok... let's back to our main topic... forget about english...
Yeah, so personally, would you rather have the concept art Predalien ,or the current one?
ok... let's say... if u want me to choose...i personally prefer the current one as i mention before... cuz it seems more suitable to have it in the movie as the reason i mention before this..
if the concept predalien's head match with the current body structure...emmm... what do you think?
seriously wtf this looks so much better than the one we got
yes but i begrudgingly admit that you need the predaliens to look different from the regular drone otherwise it would be hard to tell them apart in the dark
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Im not entirely sure to be honest, what i love about the current predalien, is the Alien 3 runner type mouth, and the visible skull, which are both very nice touches, but the predalien is no where near biomechanical enough....with all that predator freckling and the like. Xenomorphs spawned from humans dont have do they, whats makes the Predalien so special that it should.
If it had the body of the concept, and dreads of the concept, I'd be extremely happy.
Though the un-biomechanical look of the current is silly, to say the least.
When my little brother, who is not an Alien fan, says "The Predalien looks stupid," than we have serious problems.
Quote from: Yellow Alien on Dec 19, 2007, 07:48:34 AM
When my little brother, who is not an Alien fan, says "The Predalien looks stupid," than we have serious problems.
I showed the trailers and such to my friends who are not A/P fans and they also detest the predalien.;D
Im glad its not just the fans who are disliking it.
That's what the mandibles are for. I'm really hating some frontal shots of the PA in clips. Just looks so...cumbrous.
emm... ok.. i trying to be fair again.... i do like the concept art predalien and i do prefer the current predalien... if you read my quote before this you know my reason...
i do agree the current predalien does look stupid in some aspect.. but sometimes how nice the concept art will be, if they didn't really suitable... it doesn't serve it purpose...
i also agree with the quote about why predalien should have some of the predator features in it when an alien from human host doesn't have it... i dislike this idea either... but reality is reality
let's be cool... (not trying to start a fight)
have anyone ever consider or think the skeletal structure of alien is actually a human features?
to me... i do... so it might explain why predalien should have predator features... To me some of skeletal structure on predalien serve the same as the normall worrior alien because predator is a humannoid alien(if i'm rite) so some of the features might same to human.... so an alien from human host have those skeletal body... predalien might oso have it....but why mandibles and dreadlock and muscle?
the reason they have this hybrid is to come out something new... if this hybrid is something that look exactly the same.. why does it call predalien.. so da mandible and dreadlock can separate it from other alien(in design)... ok..then what about the muscle? the muscle beside serve as a predator feature it also tell people it is stronger and more active although the normal alien is already strong... but the predalien should be a "strongest of the strong"... and it also serve a lot to differentiate it in the darkness as i mention before...
well, this is juz my oppinion... u can agree or disagree it may be... what i actually wanted to say is, sometimes there are a lot of reason why things come out the way it is... there are things look cool and nice but if not practically serve the purpose... it is useless... sometimes we should think every aspect in many many different perspective.. we cannot blindly disagree because it doesn't please your eye..
I don't mind the current Predalien look but that concept art is very much superior.
I'm still wondering why any of the Alien fans complaining about how they look 'weak' is even bothering going near any of the AVP material, movies, novels, or comics because almost without exception the preds have a lopsided kill ratio in their favor. And I'll reiterate the grand tally on Alien intelligence:
1.) Alien- Pitted against space truckers in an environment that heavily favors it. Doesn't display anything beyond animal intelligence.
2.) Aliens- Pitted against heavily armed and trained military types. Despite having the advantages of numbers, surprise, superior senses, being inherently camouflaged to visual detection and invisible on IR the Marines are still able to escape the hive and inflict more casualties than the aliens get live replacements (which brings up my only issue with the alien life-cycle, namely the needs 1 host to get 1 alien limitation). The aliens lose quite a few, then lose a lot more to the sentry guns (given the dialogue in the scenes in question the idea that only a few aliens went down there are laughable). They manage their power cutting trick and sneak into command.. and again get drubbed in command. They show some intelligence here but the important bit to remember is that they've got a queen to direct them. If you go with the aliens books the individual drones are rather dim (beyond the usual animal cunning any successful predator needs) but the Queens are quite intelligent.
3.) Alien 3- Again a repeat of what we had in Alien. Nothing exceptionally clever beyond the usual 'predatory creature in a favorable environment' vs. 'unarmed humans who can barely see anything' slaughterfest.
4.) Alien Ressurection- Where pretty much every example of truly 'intelligent' alien behavior comes from.. and almost certainly not representative of drones in general given: 1.) The presence of a queen to direct them, and 2.) The fact this bunch were a pack of mutants with an abnormal human DNA mix to the point that their queen had the Newborn.
This is much the same reason I don't have any issue with Chet's reproduction (at least in theory it may not be pulled off well in the film but I can't comment on that until I see the movie) given that if chet doesn't qualify as a mutant and unusual then I don't know what does. The normal standards of Alien behavior do not apply to Chet at least.
Man it just makes it even more sad seeing that awesome PA concept art, considering the final outcome. They had the dreads made out perfect.
You ought to be pretty stupid/blind in the cinema not to notice that what we see on the concept art, is a Predalien. Especially considering that the audience already saw this 'special alien' came out of a predator (Scar) in the beginning. So the Strause excuse that they had to make it super-obvious to non-hardcore fans, is super-weak. Also if the mainstream audience aren't fans of the creatures, then why is it important for them at all to know it's a predalien? They just wanna eat popcorn and be entertained for a couple of hours.
And why on earth did they decide to give her hanging predator dreads, would it have made such a big difference on the audience to use the concept style? Or were they afraid of getting sued by Dorman who's design is pretty much identical?
Basically they f**ked up the PA design because they think the audience is brainless. Good job!
Other than that I like most of what we've seen, but sometimes it's the little things that ruin the bigger picture.
Hi!
I'll start by saying that the design in th SFX mag is, in my opinion, far superior than the one in the theatrical release.
But, for what I know, despite the brothers objective to give hardcore fans the flavor of the previous franchises, general movie goers had to understand what's was going on with the Predalien
so they altered it's pigmentation and aproved a final design that linked this general audience to an alien-pred Hybrid.
My view, despite the movie hasn't premiered yet, is that this movie has some creature design issues from the get got, starting with the pred face all the way to predalien design. But the ALIENS alien design kicks ass.
I guess that they could have done a nice job with this kind of predalien design, or something in this lines, very dark very "gigerish". The same goes to predator: Keep the Stan Winston's design!
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I think if the movie truely does hide the aliens in the darkness, not showing a lot and giving the 'less is more', the predalien would be really hard to spot.
I must agree this predalien design is really something special. Why didin't they go with it is beyond me.
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I honestly can't believe that they looked at the above design, and envisioned something better, and then they gave us a craptastic design...really, I can't believe it...
Quote from: Gates on Dec 19, 2007, 06:49:19 PM
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I honestly can't believe that they looked at the above design, and envisioned something better, and then they gave us a craptastic design...really, I can't believe it...
Yeah that looks great!!
But I think this is one of those battles that the Bros. let Fox win...
Quote from: Gates on Dec 19, 2007, 06:49:19 PM
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I honestly can't believe that they looked at the above design, and envisioned something better, and then they gave us a craptastic design...really, I can't believe it...
Yeah, that one is pretty freaky. Through a few more Biomechanical details and you have one badass Predalien pie.
Seems like Fox insisted on certain things with the Predalien..*sigh*
Quote from: Demonio Cazador on Dec 19, 2007, 06:51:27 PM
But I think this is one of those battles that the Bros. let Fox win...
I'd say that's a, "Hell yeah!"
Quote from: Aeus on Dec 19, 2007, 06:52:25 PM
Yeah, that one is pretty freaky. Through a few more Biomechanical details and you have one badass Predalien pie.
Yup, definitely needed some more biomech in it...don't get me wrong, I have some issues with this one as well but it's miles better than the one in the film, without a doubt...
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Dec 19, 2007, 12:30:51 AM
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That is a damn fine looking predator sculpt they got there.
Yeah, it is. Looks a lot like the Original Predators.
Yeah these pics are amazing! But I still can't wait to see the movie in a few days. Its going to kick some ass!
Theres a really long preview in this months SFX magazine. (I cut out a lot, kept the stuff not read before) Theres a lot of interesting production pics of the creatures being sculpted, painted etc. Plus another small conecpt painting of the PredAlien and boy does it look ugly, in a very bad way. It has a Predators head, short curly dreads and huge muscular arms... :-X When you see it you'll be glad that the one we have made it! I'll get the scans up soon.
REMATCH POINT
There are three things to worry about as SFX stands in the middle of a small line of shops in early November 2006 being used (and ever so slightly abused) by the production team of Aliens vs. Predator Requiem. One is the presence of several deadly Xenomorphs hunting a group of humans. Another is that it's midnight, and the near-freezing rain is making us worry that we'll die of exposure before the marauding monsters get close. And finally - most dangerous of all - the studio publicists are hovering, making sure no-one spills too much juicy details.
Welcome to Gunnison, Colorado. Or, as the locals prefer to call it, Vancouver, British Columbia. Yes, the Canadian city is once again subbing for small town Americana and it's here that first-time directors Colin and Greg Strause have decided to bring the iconic extraterrestrial beasties for a second bite at a battle royale. Alien vs. Predator arrived at seriously mixed reviews and scorn for the continuity changes that director Paul WS Anderson inflicted on the franchise. And that was nothing compared to the furore over the de-clawed, teen-friendly rating. But it took in the franchise's biggest box office haul to date... Hence, a sequel.
HARDCORE GORE
This time, we're promised, things will be very different. Co-director Greg Strause takes a few minutes of his hectic schedule to stand in the bone-chilling rain with hot coffee (lucky bastard) and tell SFX why he thinks Requiem has a fighting chance. "Our take on this movie is to get back to the gritty horror roots of the Alien property while still keeping the classic mission movie elements of Predator, which we really liked." he says. "So we had to have both of these in an AVP film. And we can't stress hard core gore quite enough. That's what we're bringing to this." Anyone expecting the same watered down violence from the first film is in for a pleasent, blood-splattered suprise. (Fox Chairman) Tom Rothman had an interview where he announced the movie is going to be rated R. "That's going to really set the film apart from the first one. And Daniel Pearl, our cinematographer is bringing an incredable look and style to the film, which will also set it apart. There are a few other suprises..."
One of those suprises, apart from hired the man who shot the original Texas Chansaw Massacre, is that for a pair of directors used to working on big effects movies such as Terminator 3 and Poseidon, the brothers are making heavy use of practical effects. "Colin and I come from a visual effects background - we own a CG company - but to bring it down to it's horror roots, nothing beats doing stuff in camera. A lot of effort has been put into the creature effects, and all the effects in general for real where it's possible and practical. We've said over and over again that less is more and you what you don't see scares you more. Some of that is done by what we're looking at and lenses we choose, lighting... It's whatever plays in the shadows and sometimes your imagination can frighten you more than any creature can. Every situation requires us to pull out one or two of those tricks to achieve the result we want.
BACK TO BASICS
Strause assures us that are strict about establishing lore, even in the ever shifting world of the Xenomorph. "Colin and I are very respectful of the canon, We have to adhure to the rules as they're very important." The approach comes from the brothers' love of the early Alien movies - specifically Ridley Scott and James Cameron's takes on the unearlthy creatures. Rather than glory in empty spectacle as the original AVP was accused of doing, the Strause's back-to-basics approach streches to the characters as well as the tone. "Aliens we love because it has a mission movie aspect to it, Greg continues. "In Aliens, the most amazing thing about it is that it's really a love a mom and her surrogate daughter. People don't think about the film in that way. It's not the marines and the fighting; it's Sigourney adopting this young girl. We're stressing the fact that we have great characters that people will want to get to know and have feelings for. We want to get back to having a strong human struggle."
We meet up with one of the movie's ensamble cast, Reiko Aylesworth. A veteran of TV show 24, she's putting her CTU background to good use playing a soldier returning home war who finds the home front is a little more violent than the conflict she's just left. And if you've seen the trailer and thought, "Hmm... Sigourney Weaver..." your not alone. "I think they are drawing on some of that." admits Aylesworth as a member of the costume department wraps her sodden form in a huge blanket (where's ours?) "I love that they're bringing in a strong and credible female character. I think thats what Sigourney did. I've always been such a big fan of her's. It's great to play a tough character." She's obviously enjoying kicking some ass instead of watching Kiefer Sutherland have all the gun fun. "It's a childhood fantasy, actually. Because as much as I wouldn't want to have to defend my life, we all have war games inside us and playing those out is so much hun. I had some gun training and some helicopter training with an amazing ex-Army Ranger. They're letting me have a field day." She also seems to enjoy that fact that this new movie has some depth. " It does have a lot to do with goverment, it's repsonsiblilty and what would you do in this situation. It takes it on realistically if you can say that... it's Aliens and Predators, but also it does take it on as if something like this happend. How would the goverment react? I can't say how! As crazy as it is, we treat it as a metaphor." Aylesworth might be all about the subtext but it's fellow thesp Johnny Lewis who cuts to the core of why this type of movie - whether you are in front of the camera or in the audience - is truly appealing. "It's f*cking cool!" he gushes in a spare moment between takes. "There's part of you that takes your craft seriously and studies the various filmmakers and then there's part of you that just wants to grab a gun and kill sh*t. Theres definitlety a lot of fodder in this movie. I can't say who lives , but they're not pulling any punches," he grins when we prod him to spill on whether he makes it to the last reel.
PREDATOR BOND
Thank goodness, then, for monster experts Alec Gillis and Tom Woodruff Jr, who have been with the Alien franchise almost from the start. The joint bosses at ADI (Amalgamated Dynamics Inc) are providing all the practical special effects for the film - a heavy workload, given the number of shots the brothers Strause are completing on set instead of reaching for CG. Gillis and Woodruff are only too happy to chat away about the beasts they love so much, including the brand new Predator character we'll get to enjoy. "Our hero Predator is his own character - not quite exactly what we've seen before. This is a stealth Predator. He comes in to control the situation; he's almost like James Bond. He's got gadgets and he's got an attitude and he's a veteran Alien fighter. So you won't see him walking into a corridor and getting trounced by three Aliens - he's a lolt smarter than that. We refer to him as 'The Wolf', like Harvery Keitel in Pulp Fiction... He's much more fluid. He won't be the American football types of AVP, he's more balletic and stealthy." And he's got some new weapons to boot. "The Predator has a cleaner case that he pulls his great gear out of. He has some automatic mines he can place to outwit the Aliens. And he has a cool medical device to fix himslef." Uh oh, here comes that publicist again...
EVOLVING THE ALIEN
ALIENS 1986
Alec Gillis:
"We started on Aliens, 20 years ago. Back when we were just sculptors and painters. We sculpted the Aliens. Cameron wanted us to remove Giger's original dome so that he could see the bone structure. The way he was shooting, he wanted the head to catch the light, to be a visually more interesting thing in terms of light and shadow. And suits were built so simplified for the performers to move quickly that were basically just spandex suits with raised bone sections.
ALIEN3 1992
Alec Gillis:
"We put the dome back on as David Fincher loved the look of that, and it was kind of a cool, insect-y, creativer thing to do. We also did a full, sculpted body suit, cast from latex. It had intricatley detailed work matching Giger's original look. We went to his art books and did everything we could to make sure we were being true to his designs of the Alien, even the finishing colours. Sadly, we never got to meet him in person."
ALIEN RESURRECTION 1997
Tom Woodruff Jr:
"We borrowed the original Aliens Queen head and added a new paint scheme. The drool and slime was the same base material - it's like wallpaper paste-based material with plasticisers. We make it ourselfs because we need 55-gallon drums."
AVP: ALIEN VS. PREDATOR 2004
Tom Woodruff Jr:
"Interesting thing about the creatures in this movie is that it's implied the Predators have bred them for their own purposes. The gestation period was very quick - a facehugger would jump on a person and a chestburster would very quickly turn into an adult. The idea that Predators want them to grow quickly so they can hunt them, but things get out of control. AVP probably had the most CG of any of the movies. But still, we had 1500 animatronic headshots and about 500 CG shots.
AVPR: ALIENS VS. PREDATOR REQUIEM 2008
Alec Gillis:
"This time aroubd, the Strause brothers asked us to remove the dome and go back to the look of Aliens, the stripped down exposed head, so that's the biggest change. What's great for us as creature builders is, Fox will come to us and say, 'We don't want that CG stuff.' Even the Strause brothers came and told us that stuff looks phoney. And that's a great encouragement and a great confiedence in what we do. So we're proud to be old school."
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Is this a newer issue?
Yep.
Wager save youre time mate its the same one
It can't be the same one, it just came out yesterday. :P
AVP: ALIEN VS. PREDATOR 2004
Tom Woodruff Jr:
"Interesting thing about the creatures in this movie is that it's implied the Predators have bred them for their own purposes. The gestation period was very quick - a facehugger would jump on a person and a chestburster would very quickly turn into an adult. The idea that Predators want them to grow quickly so they can hunt them, but things get out of control. AVP probably had the most CG of any of the movies. But still, we had 1500 animatronic headshots and about 500 CG shots.
Well thats very interesting to know it's confirmed. I haven't been on the AVP forums...
Quote from: War Wager on Jan 05, 2008, 04:30:59 PM
It can't be the same one, it just came out yesterday. :P
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Sh*t it is the same one... :P
Oh well at least now we can actually read what it says.
I hate that "excuse" for the short incubation period. The predators have people building pyramids and they're flying all over the galaxy and they can't wait 24 hours for an alien to grow up?
Stupid.
Works for me, but it's seems like just a last minute excuse when fan's started complaining.
hey all. i just went out and got SFX magazine with some avpr pics in it. i havent seen them before so i will scan them later to show you. there is a bit with pred and hybrid hands and a predalien with a differant mouth. there is also a bit with the facehugger
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nice :)
good work! ;)
I'm sure someone has already posted this...?
didnt find anything, it this years adition, so its new
Must just be me. I brought it when it came out.
cool. i must admit, i like this other predalien more than the one we got. the mouth is so much better
Quote from: brad873 on Jan 07, 2008, 03:55:11 PM
cool. i must admit, i like this other predalien more than the one we got. the mouth is so much better
Fu<k! I must agree with you.
i wonder why it was not used, id like to see a full body pic of it
got a link?
remember, this is SFX, not Buzz
Quote from: brad873 on Jan 07, 2008, 05:25:17 PM
got a link?
remember, this is SFX, not Buzz
http://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/index.php?topic=13220.0
http://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/index.php?topic=11016.0
ps i also like that other predAlien better.
found the pics on gallery, which is odd as they were posted in december and mine edition is january ??? well, these are better quality anyway :D
THis predalien face ahve more predator skull characterictics. It would do much better.
Quote from: Master on Jan 07, 2008, 04:27:58 PM
Quote from: brad873 on Jan 07, 2008, 03:55:11 PM
cool. i must admit, i like this other predalien more than the one we got. the mouth is so much better
Fu<k! I must agree with you.
how sad...the mouth is so right! really perfect predalien, f**k