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Posted by The Old One
 - Jul 06, 2019, 08:32:02 PM
David's "uniqueness" existed since the beginning. As the prologue demonstrates.
Posted by Samhain13
 - May 20, 2019, 02:44:48 PM
Quote from: Immortan Jonesy on May 20, 2019, 03:31:58 AM
Quote from: Samhain13 on May 20, 2019, 03:11:51 AM
Quote from: Still Collating... on May 19, 2019, 02:58:08 PM
Aren't all androids in the franchise (especially in the movies) a slave to their programming?

Usually that is the impression I get on them.

So,  David's simulation of human consciousness is supposed to be more complex ???

David's simulation of human consciousness isn't like the others. Weyland didn't want just a machine that follows orders, he wanted a son. David's simulation was made too human. In a way he is a slave to that programming, his actions are a result of that, the contradiction of a very realistic simulation of man's mind on a plastic body. Someone forgot to consider that. Plus when the Engineer ripped his head, maybe some stuff got screwed.
Posted by SM
 - May 20, 2019, 03:36:04 AM
It would appear so since as soon as he's activated he realises he's a 'higher' form of life than his creator and that he has to keep that on the down low.
Posted by Immortan Jonesy
 - May 20, 2019, 03:31:58 AM
Quote from: Samhain13 on May 20, 2019, 03:11:51 AM
Quote from: Still Collating... on May 19, 2019, 02:58:08 PM
Aren't all androids in the franchise (especially in the movies) a slave to their programming?

Usually that is the impression I get on them.

So,  David's simulation of human consciousness is supposed to be more complex ???
Posted by SM
 - May 20, 2019, 03:19:40 AM
Quote from: Elmazalman on May 20, 2019, 03:02:45 AM
Quote from: SM on May 19, 2019, 08:27:32 PM
Quote from: Elmazalman on May 19, 2019, 06:06:58 AM
Quote from: SM on May 19, 2019, 04:46:19 AM
Ash followed his orders - which were typed out in text.
Which were Company orders - his program.

It's simply an order.  It's not more a program than a clause in a contract that someone has to follow.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but weren't synthetics placed aboard company vessels to oversee and protect company assets and interests - even before receiving their Special Orders via text?

Possibly.  That's Ridley take on one of the commentary tracks, though it's not something that's been born out on film.  Parker sounded very surprised that Ash was a robot, and if such a policy was public it would breed suspicion and paranoia.  Maybe not the best mood to foster on deep space crews, and it wouldn't be hard to work out who was the robot anyway.  By the time of Aliens, synthetics were standard and everyone knew who the robot was.

Don't know how this is relevant to the discussion though.

My point is that people claim 'Ash was programmed to bring back an Alien'.  My response to that is - 'No, he didn't need to be programmed; just ordered.'  It's like Bishop was ordered (or rather was given 'specific instructions') by Burke to bring back the specimens in Aliens; Burke didn't program him to do it.
Posted by Samhain13
 - May 20, 2019, 03:11:51 AM
Quote from: Still Collating... on May 19, 2019, 02:58:08 PM
Aren't all androids in the franchise (especially in the movies) a slave to their programming?

Usually that is the impression I get on them.
Posted by Elmazalman
 - May 20, 2019, 03:02:45 AM
Quote from: SM on May 19, 2019, 08:27:32 PM
Quote from: Elmazalman on May 19, 2019, 06:06:58 AM
Quote from: SM on May 19, 2019, 04:46:19 AM
Ash followed his orders - which were typed out in text.
Which were Company orders - his program.

It's simply an order.  It's not more a program than a clause in a contract that someone has to follow.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but weren't synthetics placed aboard company vessels to oversee and protect company assets and interests - even before receiving their Special Orders via text?
Posted by SM
 - May 19, 2019, 08:27:32 PM
Quote from: Elmazalman on May 19, 2019, 06:06:58 AM
Quote from: SM on May 19, 2019, 04:46:19 AM
Ash followed his orders - which were typed out in text.
Which were Company orders - his program.

It's simply an order.  It's not more a program than a clause in a contract that someone has to follow.
Posted by FenGiddel
 - May 19, 2019, 04:37:04 PM
It is complex, no doubt. I see a parallel between Ash and HAL and their reactions to their respective program directives.
Posted by Still Collating...
 - May 19, 2019, 02:58:08 PM
Aren't all androids in the franchise (especially in the movies) a slave to their programming? That programming can just be more or less creative and focused on problem solving which looks like free will. It basically functions the same as our "free" will if you have complex enough programming, but the illusion is destroyed when they receive a direct order to achieve a short term goal by extreme means, like capturing the alien and letting everyone else die.
Ain't it like that?
Posted by Elmazalman
 - May 19, 2019, 06:06:58 AM
Quote from: SM on May 19, 2019, 04:46:19 AM
Ash followed his orders - which were typed out in text.
Which were Company orders - his program.
Posted by SM
 - May 19, 2019, 04:46:19 AM
Ash followed his orders - which were typed out in text.
Posted by Elmazalman
 - May 19, 2019, 01:22:54 AM
Quote from: SM on May 19, 2019, 01:00:41 AM
Quote from: Elmazalman on May 18, 2019, 11:28:55 PM
Ash was a company product. He / it followed orders.

So the same as the crew when they followed orders to land on the planet?
Ash followed his agenda - which was Company programming.
Posted by SM
 - May 19, 2019, 01:00:41 AM
Quote from: Elmazalman on May 18, 2019, 11:28:55 PM
Ash was a company product. He / it followed orders.

So the same as the crew when they followed orders to land on the planet?
Posted by Vermillion
 - May 19, 2019, 12:35:18 AM
Bishop II
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