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Posted by Necronomicon II
 - Jan 19, 2019, 02:45:49 AM
We'll certainly see what pans out with all this. Planet dong is the only way.  :D
Posted by The Old One
 - Jan 18, 2019, 07:23:15 PM
John Logan's excellent at writing David, not so sure about everything else.
Posted by Necronomicon II
 - Jan 18, 2019, 03:17:04 AM
Character building then re David  :D I think if Logan gets another shot at scripting then I see him piecing it all together rather nicely. Regardless, I've enjoyed the world building in both films with or without a master plan  and the evolution of the pathogen.
Posted by The Old One
 - Jan 14, 2019, 11:30:01 AM
Indeed.
Posted by Xenomrph
 - Jan 11, 2019, 05:00:38 AM
Quote from: Necronomicon II on Jan 10, 2019, 09:59:12 AM
but the world building and the thought put into it conceptually and thematically can't be denied.
Ehhhh.... the "world building" is inconsistent from movie to movie. I see it more like Ridley Scott trying to have his cake and eat it too, but on a movie-by-movie basis. There's nothing wrong with that, per se, but "world building" implies some sort of over-arching consistency or grander master-plan.
Posted by Necronomicon II
 - Jan 10, 2019, 03:23:17 PM
 :D
Well obviously it can be denied   :D But concepts and thematic ideas can be appreciated without having to like the sum total of all the parts, I think that's what I really mean here.
Posted by Voodoo Magic
 - Jan 10, 2019, 02:33:45 PM
Quote from: Necronomicon II on Jan 10, 2019, 09:59:12 AM
The prequels may not always execute things perfectly, nor have the best human characterisation, but the world building and the thought put into it conceptually and thematically can't be denied.

You must be new here.  ;)
Posted by Necronomicon II
 - Jan 10, 2019, 09:59:12 AM
The prequels may not always execute things perfectly, nor have the best human characterisation, but the world building and the thought put into it conceptually and thematically can't be denied.
Posted by PsyKore
 - Jan 10, 2019, 09:37:02 AM
Very well said. And you're right on the money. I can't always explain why I like certain things about it, so I'm glad people like you are around to do it for me. ;D
Posted by Necronomicon II
 - Jan 08, 2019, 06:27:24 AM
Quote from: PsyKore on Jan 04, 2019, 10:30:26 AM
Well, I mean, the facehugger is coincidentally a perfect fit for a human, so... It is frightening to think there'd be something out there specifically designed to destroy us. As opposed to the "David the creator" origin as a lot of people are, it does actually fit very well.

After realllly mulling it over, and I really did, I actually quite like the idea of David as the creator of the big chap and the life-cycle as we know it. Yes, it upends everything we thought we knew, but, I like how the sexual imagery of the creatures themselves is born out of the creator's inability to sexually reproduce and create life with a mate. That's a bold and compelling explanation and wonderfully Giger-esque.
I'm glad Logan/Scott had the balls to go with it.

Also, evolutionarily speaking, a parasite has to become familiar with the human immune system in order to incubate, and we see that it's a pre-adapted parasite in Alien, now this obviously could have been established with the Engineers since they seeded life on earth, etc, and initially it is as the pathogen/motes, but the classic xenomorph life-cycle harbours so many elements that are too evocative of human genitalia to have been a "naturally" evolved creature, nor would there be as compelling an explanation as to why the Engineers or something else would have cock, etc, so much on their minds; creating something that forcibly rapes hosts via the throat only is a tad too specifically anti-human/anti-mammal, etc, for an interstellar species.

That they are the design of a mad, sexually deranged android is clever and as I said, in keeping with Giger's aesthetic, which wasn't so much predicated on "mystery" but on perverse transfigurations of human sexuality fused with machinery. And I've said this before but it recontextualises the androids in the saga, eg. Ash forcibly shoving a magazine down Ripley's throat, Bishop being in a daze as he admires the "magnificence" of the facehugger, etc, the point being, Androids - good or bad - admire the damn thing, besides Call.

And the company's motivations to secure this "weapon" have been recontextualised as well, they want it because they see it as their "property."  Genetically it's still an alien, technically, its phenotype is just moulded in the image of David's sexual neurosis and mad dreams of "perfection." The sum total of all that still makes it a scary creation, because so much of its deep nature genetically is still mysterious; all David did was take a raw, natural banana and made it more phallic and perversely suited for human (or mammal, etc) violation, which is only logical.   
Posted by Frosty Venom
 - Jan 04, 2019, 11:16:01 AM
Its also a perfect fit for an Engineer. I think it'd be cooler if a race above the Engineers (Space Jockeys) created the Engineers but then some event occurred and they created the Xenomorphs to wipe them out. Just like how the Engineers created us and then intended on using the Black Pathogen to wipe us out.

A cycle of life and death.

Creation and destruction.
Posted by PsyKore
 - Jan 04, 2019, 10:30:26 AM
Well, I mean, the facehugger is coincidentally a perfect fit for a human, so... It is frightening to think there'd be something out there specifically designed to destroy us. As opposed to the "David the creator" origin as a lot of people are, it does actually fit very well.
Posted by The Old One
 - Jan 03, 2019, 12:42:34 PM
I just think them
being specifically
anti-humanism is
a little...
self centered. lol
Posted by Frosty Venom
 - Jan 03, 2019, 12:36:53 PM
Quote from: The Old One on Jan 03, 2019, 12:24:54 PM
I prefer anti-life myself.


Agreed. They do take on traits from their hosts do they not?
Posted by The Old One
 - Jan 03, 2019, 12:24:54 PM
I prefer anti-life myself.
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