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Posted by Huntsman
 - Oct 01, 2018, 10:26:05 AM
Quote from: happypred on Sep 28, 2018, 05:01:00 AM
Aliens really pulled off action-horror. Not sure if any other film has done it as well. I actually think the first Predator film comes admirably close (it's still leans more toward action IMO)
The first Predator film is a stone cold classic, and one of the best action films ever made. Frankly, it's the only film the franchise requires/required. The Aliens vibe is creepier. It has a lot to do with the setting. I love the jungle and it's quintessential Predator. But a dimly lit spaceship is quintessential Alien, and gives me more shivers.
Posted by skull-splitter
 - Oct 01, 2018, 09:57:30 AM
Besides the point, they just wore the marines down in waves.
Posted by happypred
 - Oct 01, 2018, 12:47:12 AM
I'd guess 100 to 150 xenomorphs
Posted by skull-splitter
 - Sep 29, 2018, 06:40:32 AM
Quote from: Nathsp on Sep 27, 2018, 02:48:46 PM
Hadleys hope, population 158... Aliens are not gremlins, so 157 aliens at maximum.. From 157 to 500 theres a lot of aliens..
It's been a loooooong time since I watched it to be honest, just thought it was a lot of families.

Even 120 aliens or just 70 would massively outnumber the marines.
Posted by happypred
 - Sep 28, 2018, 05:01:00 AM
Aliens really pulled off action-horror. Not sure if any other film has done it as well. I actually think the first Predator film comes admirably close (it's still leans more toward action IMO)
Posted by Nathsp
 - Sep 27, 2018, 02:48:46 PM
Hadleys hope, population 158... Aliens are not gremlins, so 157 aliens at maximum.. From 157 to 500 theres a lot of aliens..
Posted by SyntaX
 - Sep 27, 2018, 10:08:23 AM
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Sep 17, 2018, 08:12:15 AM
I really think there's huge potential in Predator vs Predator but they keep executing it poorly. There's too much emphasise in trying to make the new guy come across as a bad ass. I think Black and co did a better job of making his Upgrade come across better than they did in Predators but damn, give us a longer go of the conflict.

Like I've PM'ed you before. Fugitive and his co-Predators we're ment to do alot more... still trying to get more information from my friend. But he's been silent for the past week  :-[

Unfortunatly, the studio felt that 3 "normal" Predators vs 1 Super Predator wasn't good to sell the "Assassin" to the crowd. So, they cut 'em.
Posted by The Cruentus
 - Sep 27, 2018, 09:52:28 AM
Quote from: skull-splitter on Sep 27, 2018, 07:43:57 AM
Quote from: happypred on Sep 27, 2018, 03:01:11 AM
Quote from: Nathsp on Sep 25, 2018, 09:11:11 AMof course big chap looked diferent, he was facing space truckers with no armours, experience or tactics and a cat, aliens faced a group of experienced and well trained marines with explosive bullets

Yup...ppl complain that Cameron devalued the aliens, but he simply threw them against harder opposition...and the aliens still "won"


It was implied that it was a numbers game. 200+ families, let's say at least 500 aliens. Against ten with limited ammo.

There you go.

There was only 158 colonists and not all of them were iimpregnated, some were likely just killed.
Posted by skull-splitter
 - Sep 27, 2018, 07:43:57 AM
Quote from: happypred on Sep 27, 2018, 03:01:11 AM
Quote from: Nathsp on Sep 25, 2018, 09:11:11 AMof course big chap looked diferent, he was facing space truckers with no armours, experience or tactics and a cat, aliens faced a group of experienced and well trained marines with explosive bullets

Yup...ppl complain that Cameron devalued the aliens, but he simply threw them against harder opposition...and the aliens still "won"


It was implied that it was a numbers game. 200+ families, let's say at least 500 aliens. Against ten with limited ammo.

There you go.
Posted by Nathsp
 - Sep 27, 2018, 03:31:21 AM
Quote from: happypred on Sep 27, 2018, 03:01:11 AM
Quote from: Nathsp on Sep 25, 2018, 09:11:11 AMof course big chap looked diferent, he was facing space truckers with no armours, experience or tactics and a cat, aliens faced a group of experienced and well trained marines with explosive bullets

Yup...ppl complain that Cameron devalued the aliens, but he simply threw them against harder opposition...and the aliens still "won"



Im totally agree, they had tons of weapons, and tje feeling all the movie is thay they got their ass kicked by creatures with claws, tails and tongues
Posted by happypred
 - Sep 27, 2018, 03:01:11 AM
Quote from: Nathsp on Sep 25, 2018, 09:11:11 AMof course big chap looked diferent, he was facing space truckers with no armours, experience or tactics and a cat, aliens faced a group of experienced and well trained marines with explosive bullets

Yup...ppl complain that Cameron devalued the aliens, but he simply threw them against harder opposition...and the aliens still "won"

Posted by echobbase79
 - Sep 27, 2018, 12:59:46 AM

I couldn't believe how fast the fight was over. They practically showed everything in that clip before the movie was released. I guess I understand from a story point how the Upgrade was supposed to be stronger, but it was over before it even began.

AvP has the best fight scene between two creatures as far as these movies are concerned. It was long, had some suspense, and had a surprise ending to it. At least I was surprised by it when I first saw it.
Posted by Corporal Hicks
 - Sep 26, 2018, 05:57:14 PM
*whispers* All Predators are cheaters.  :o
Posted by The Cruentus
 - Sep 26, 2018, 10:37:21 AM
Quote from: Gilfryd on Sep 25, 2018, 11:00:30 PM
Quote from: Uncanny Antman on Sep 25, 2018, 03:37:53 AMAnd I can't recall a single movie that used the "New awesome one kills the stodgy old one" technique that actually made me think the new one was cool or scary.  It always comes off as lame and insecure, that the filmmaker can't think of any other way to do it than to try and somehow one-up previous directors.   Does anyone anywhere prefer the Spinosaur to the T-Rex, the Newborn to the Queen, or the Berserker or Upgrade to the original Predator?  I highly doubt it.
Yeah exactly!

Although I have to say if any of those come close to working it's the Newborn killing its birth mother right out of the womb and choosing Ripley instead, it's very creepy and I certainly prefer the movie Newborn over the original script's giant flying bloodsucking monster thing.

Berserker one is justified though, it never beats the classic by being better, the fight is one sided because classic was in a poor state and Mr.Black just ups and begins firing his plasma caster so he is a cheater to boot.
Posted by Wysps
 - Sep 26, 2018, 04:17:32 AM
Quote from: The Cruentus on Sep 25, 2018, 12:35:59 PM
I don't mind that Fugitive bit it but I would have preferred a better fight.

Same. I can see why the Fugitive eating it at the hands of the Upgrade was necessary (to show how "strong/advanced" he was), but the Fugitive definitely had more to add than what we got. If they could have at least let him narrowly escape and get owned later in the movie... give him some more screen time.
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