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Posted by Huggs
 - Sep 21, 2018, 03:23:32 AM
Quote from: Naginata on Sep 20, 2018, 09:11:17 PM
^ I see what you're saying, but body fluid that's green and phosphorescent is a hell of a lot more plausible than an extraterrestrial 'needing' to somehow suck a human-specific neurological condition out of some kid's spine to... like... I dunno... stuff the autism into his brain? To get... smarter?

Iffy implications aside, it doesn't even make sense from a science fiction angle. I know Predator has always, to put it mildly, played fast and loose with science, but this is many orders of magnitude more ridiculous. I had AVPR flashbacks.

To quote Mark Kermode's review of that film: "This is a film made by people who seem to think that the throat is somehow connected to the womb. Now - I'm sorry - did you not do Anatomy 101?"

Oh for heaven's sake. Everybody knows it's the tongue, not the throat.  ;D
Posted by Mr.Turok
 - Sep 21, 2018, 03:16:48 AM
Quote from: Naginata on Sep 20, 2018, 09:11:17 PM
^ I see what you're saying, but body fluid that's green and phosphorescent is a hell of a lot more plausible than an extraterrestrial 'needing' to somehow suck a human-specific neurological condition out of some kid's spine to... like... I dunno... stuff the autism into his brain? To get... smarter?

Iffy implications aside, it doesn't even make sense from a science fiction angle. I know Predator has always, to put it mildly, played fast and loose with science, but this is many orders of magnitude more ridiculous. I had AVPR flashbacks.

To quote Mark Kermode's review of that film: "This is a film made by people who seem to think that the throat is somehow connected to the womb. Now - I'm sorry - did you not do Anatomy 101?"
Well DNA agmination is much more complicated than anatomy. Mutations can occur when introducing the right desirable traits like dog breeding while sometimes it can occur randomly. Preds probs work on a different angle than us as being alien as mentioned. If anything it would have done a greater service if the writing actually explained it by going with this angle instead of just putting it out there high and dry like a skinless soldier.

Oh and for the belly bursting thing, I love it but would have retcon it to actually come out the belly instead of the womb. Touches on the parasitic idea more like the tapeworms in real life.
Posted by CainsSon
 - Sep 21, 2018, 02:43:34 AM
Quote from: Naginata on Sep 20, 2018, 11:54:41 PM
^ For me (although I'm minus the "H") it manifests more as an endless running monologue in my head. The problem (more pronounced when I was a kid, obviously) wasn't that I was spending hours imagining the evolutionary history of gas-powered alien blimps, it's that I was doing it during school hours.  ;D

Im also ADD without the H and share your sentiments.

Also, I just wanted to check in and confirm that in my parody idea for 'The ASPREDATOR' I wasnt trying to suggest that the qualities associated with High Functioning Autism, like Aspergers, could in NO way be desirable. Many Aspie's and HFA's are prodigies. But the idea of Predators kidnapping Aspergers children to advance their own DNA, is frankly just ridiculous.

For starters, even if HFA were the next stage in human evolution, it would be far too early a mutation to know this. Second, given what little is known of the way the Predators are functioning as a civilization, splicing their DNA to include more autistic traits and how that could help their civilization is so unfathomable... Especially when you consider that the ROGUE Predator was trying to stop the other PREDATORS from harvesting us... it's so impenetrable as to how or why this would provide some benefit, it came across to me as absurd. You could just as well assume the PREDATORS want to harvest the worst of aspergers.

Because you can't figure how, why or what traits of HFA is desirable to them, its just waving a giant red-flag for parody, high-jinx.

The idea of a technologically gifted aspie with a military sniper dad, who is wanted by space hunters that know we are destroying our world through climate change denial, and can figure out how to operate their tech... and the only people who can save him are a band of equally exploited misfit PTSD ridden soldiers... It just reads like a bad black bitch with an afro forcing white boys to eat fried chicken out her cho-cha, or better yet a Rastafarian drug lord whose limo is always smoked out.

At least all that other stuff is overtly good humored. Im not sure the Autism stuff was.

Again, don't get me wrong, I thought it was a fun movie. Id even say I enjoyed it more than the other sequels.



Posted by whiterabbit
 - Sep 21, 2018, 01:26:38 AM
Totally agree.

However the more I think about it, I really do think FOX strongly interfered in production. All of the production material from early on showed Predators teaming with the Loonies to battle something. Yet what we got was a wasted classic and the Loonies vs The Predator. Something major happened between those first images and the final film and it is surely studio interference. All signs point to it.
Posted by bb-15
 - Sep 21, 2018, 01:10:28 AM
Quote from: whiterabbit on Sep 18, 2018, 06:09:46 AM
My goodness. I'll admit that I've been pretty negative myself but The Predator and the Alien: Prequel's are not the Fantastic Four or Batman and Robin crapfest. It's a decent action movie. It's also way better than a lot of other sequels and still has it's respect intact.

Yeah. "The Predator" is sometimes silly (trying to be a comedy) but overall imo it's a decent Predator action film.
Not great but entertaining (for me).

As for the Alien prequels, I like those a lot more.

;)
Posted by Naginata
 - Sep 20, 2018, 11:54:41 PM
^ For me (although I'm minus the "H") it manifests more as an endless running monologue in my head. The problem (more pronounced when I was a kid, obviously) wasn't that I was spending hours imagining the evolutionary history of gas-powered alien blimps, it's that I was doing it during school hours.  ;D
Posted by skull-splitter
 - Sep 20, 2018, 10:16:42 PM
Quote from: Fleshwound on Sep 20, 2018, 12:16:07 PM
A few years back I read some research that indicated autism has been around since the beginning and was in fact very useful to humans when we were still figuring out what fire was. I'd have to dig up the paper but it isn't necessarily a defect or a detriment but it also means those with it don't fit too well with modern society either. But that is true of a lot of personality types today let alone those with a different way of thinking.
Same for ADHD, late night owls. It's part inate skill set., part dysfunction.
Posted by The Old One
 - Sep 20, 2018, 09:20:02 PM
Agreed.
Posted by Naginata
 - Sep 20, 2018, 09:11:17 PM
^ I see what you're saying, but body fluid that's green and phosphorescent is a hell of a lot more plausible than an extraterrestrial 'needing' to somehow suck a human-specific neurological condition out of some kid's spine to... like... I dunno... stuff the autism into his brain? To get... smarter?

Iffy implications aside, it doesn't even make sense from a science fiction angle. I know Predator has always, to put it mildly, played fast and loose with science, but this is many orders of magnitude more ridiculous. I had AVPR flashbacks.

To quote Mark Kermode's review of that film: "This is a film made by people who seem to think that the throat is somehow connected to the womb. Now - I'm sorry - did you not do Anatomy 101?"
Posted by Mr.Turok
 - Sep 20, 2018, 04:18:37 PM
I haven't seen the movie yet, plan too this sunday as tickets are $5 special :laugh:, but am I the only one who shrugged and said "alien biology" in response to the whole autism thing? Can we really throw criticism on preds needing autism to evolve when they are aliens who technically spill green glowing blood?
Posted by Fleshwound
 - Sep 20, 2018, 12:16:07 PM
A few years back I read some research that indicated autism has been around since the beginning and was in fact very useful to humans when we were still figuring out what fire was. I'd have to dig up the paper but it isn't necessarily a defect or a detriment but it also means those with it don't fit too well with modern society either. But that is true of a lot of personality types today let alone those with a different way of thinking.
Posted by Naginata
 - Sep 20, 2018, 01:22:45 AM
Quote from: EJA on Sep 19, 2018, 10:02:18 AM
Why is that? Not arguing, just curious.

In retrospect, it wasn't fair of me to single out this thread. I've just noticed a few people here and elsewhere make such a big deal out of autism specifically being the next stage in human evolution. I agree completely that it's a dumb, insensitive idea, (and not how evolution works, to boot,) but the "how could that ever be desirable or useful?!" attitude pisses me off. It's like the reverse of the movie's mistake; instead of being portrayed as magical super-beings, they're being portrayed as having some hideous affliction that's an evolutionary 'dead end...' Which is ignorant on number of levels, and is also not how evolution works!  >:(

I'm positive this is just me reading my own baggage into other peoples' statements, though; I don't think anybody meant it like that, and it can be really easy to misinterpret things when it's just text. So I'm not calling anyone out or anything, just being a grumpy bitch like usual, LOL.
Posted by The Old One
 - Sep 19, 2018, 10:17:32 AM
No it isn't IMO.
Not even close.
Posted by EJA
 - Sep 19, 2018, 10:02:18 AM
I'd be cool with the Predator franchise dying, if the Alien franchise dies along with it. The prequels are taking that concept in directions just as bad.


Quote from: Naginata on Sep 17, 2018, 09:30:17 PM
The comments about autism in this thread annoy me almost as much as the way the movie used it.

Why is that? Not arguing, just curious.
Posted by locusta
 - Sep 18, 2018, 12:43:33 PM
Yeah, please stop ripping it to even more pieces as it already is. Stop, Stop, Stop!
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