Posted by FatStu
- Aug 30, 2020, 10:52:00 PMI read this earlier today. Incredible stuff. I especially love Concrete Jungle which in my opinion is a movie quality story. Brilliant art too.
Posted by Voodoo Magic
- Apr 30, 2020, 01:42:13 AM
Posted by SpaceKase
- Apr 29, 2020, 09:04:53 PMHa, oh yeah man, add that to the list of wacky, yeah, it's a right mess. I'm really vibing on the timeline they're laying out in the Hunting Grounds recordings, so I may have to work out a nice compromise based on those as they continue to come out.
And, dude, nice catch on those tax returns!
And, dude, nice catch on those tax returns!
Posted by Voodoo Magic
- Apr 29, 2020, 08:41:35 PMQuote from: SpaceKase on Apr 29, 2020, 07:27:02 PMQuote from: Voodoo Magic on Apr 29, 2020, 06:16:48 PM
Concrete Jungle takes place in 1991. Predator 2 is 1997.
yeaaaah, it get's all sorts of timey-wimey thanks to some Billie-and-Wilks-esque editorial revisionism. Here's what Xenopedia says on the matter:
"In the original release of the first Predator series, it is clear that the story is supposed to be set in the near future — similar to the film Predator 2, which was loosely based on concepts from the comic series. Evidence of this can be seen in the introductory narration by Detective Rasche, during which he refers to the year 1991 in the past tense (stating that it was hotter than it had been "back in '91"). However, with the release of the sequel series, Predator: Cold War, the date of the original incident was changed, as events in Cold War are said to take place in 1990, while the events of the first comic are said to have taken place "five months ago" and "last year", placing them in 1989, contemporary to the publication of the original comic book. This change in date was solidified in reprints and new collections of Concrete Jungle, which change the year mentioned in Rasche's narration to 1987"
So like... depending on which way you reckon, CJ is in 1989, 1990, or the near future of the time which was supposed to be like 95 or 97, but my recollection is fuzzy where that specific year came from. So it's all sortsa wacky. Also the conceit of everyone just forgetting that one summer in New York where an alien spaceship decloaked and started blasting buildings to hell is pretty funny. Mass hallucination I guess.
Yeah, when Rasche says "Christ, it was hot. Hotter than the Summer of 91" its confusing, because he seems to be speaking of it being hotter today than it was in the 1991, even though it's both said in past tense. But then Rauche tells the story of what happened in past tense. "There was nothing romantic that summer." Is he talking about that hot Summer of 1991 or a more current summer?
What has me stick with 1991 is two things. The latest / top of Rauche's back tax returns is 1990. In America the newest is always a year behind.
And then Schaefer says 3 years back Dutch went missing. Often when people count years, they don't count the one they are usually in.
I think it would be less complicated if instead of "Christ, it was hot" in the beginning, he started with "Christ, it's hot" or "there was nothing romantic that summer of '91." But alas...
But that's why I roll with 1991.
Posted by SpaceKase
- Apr 29, 2020, 07:27:02 PMQuote from: Voodoo Magic on Apr 29, 2020, 06:16:48 PM
Concrete Jungle takes place in 1991. Predator 2 is 1997.
yeaaaah, it get's all sorts of timey-wimey thanks to some Billie-and-Wilks-esque editorial revisionism. Here's what Xenopedia says on the matter:
"In the original release of the first Predator series, it is clear that the story is supposed to be set in the near future — similar to the film Predator 2, which was loosely based on concepts from the comic series. Evidence of this can be seen in the introductory narration by Detective Rasche, during which he refers to the year 1991 in the past tense (stating that it was hotter than it had been "back in '91"). However, with the release of the sequel series, Predator: Cold War, the date of the original incident was changed, as events in Cold War are said to take place in 1990, while the events of the first comic are said to have taken place "five months ago" and "last year", placing them in 1989, contemporary to the publication of the original comic book. This change in date was solidified in reprints and new collections of Concrete Jungle, which change the year mentioned in Rasche's narration to 1987"
So like... depending on which way you reckon, CJ is in 1989, 1990, or the near future of the time which was supposed to be like 95 or 97, but my recollection is fuzzy where that specific year came from. So it's all sortsa wacky. Also the conceit of everyone just forgetting that one summer in New York where an alien spaceship decloaked and started blasting buildings to hell is pretty funny. Mass hallucination I guess.
To make it even more complicated, apparently Concrete Jungle the novel has Gen Philips saying it's 8 years later, which would place the events of CJ in 1995, then later Schaefer says he saw his brother 7 years before, implying a visit sometime in 1988. Later in the Cold War novel Schaefer says the New York incident was last year, implying it's now 1996. There was never a novelization for Dark River but the publisher's summary says its 3 years after Cold War, which if going by the novels would make it 1999, but the text of the comics explicitly puts Cold War in 1990, 5 mos or a year after New York, placing CJ in '90 or '89, and subsequently placing Dark River in 1993. However the text for Dark River explicitly say it's August of 1996.
And we're not even going to mention the incorrect date on the Stargazer ipad for the LA incident in The Predator.
In the words of former NYPD Det. John Schaefer. "Ain't she a hoot?"
Posted by Voodoo Magic
- Apr 29, 2020, 06:16:48 PMConcrete Jungle takes place in 1991. Predator 2 is 1997.
Posted by SpaceKase
- Apr 29, 2020, 06:13:38 PMQuote from: Frosty Venom on Jan 08, 2019, 02:20:05 PM
Apart from the last panel referencing the events of Alien 3, Newt's tale would transition well into Outbreak, in my opinion.
The Predator 2 comic adaptation must come after Dark River in this then right?
Would also be interesting to hear your opinion and reasoning on not liking Newt's Tale @Corporal Hicks
Predator 2 and Concrete Jungle (the comic) are kinda echoes of each other, so they more or less take place at the same time in the summer of 1997, although subsequent reprints of CJ get a bit revisionist and dodgy on this point. I'll have to recheck, but I think Cold War takes place about a year after that, so let's say 1998, and according to the publisher, Dark River takes place 3 years after that which would place it in 2001, but oddly enough I think the comic itself was confused on this point. I've yet to read the novel for Concrete Jungle though, so I'd be curious what it might contribute in this regard.
Apropos of nothing though, Concrete Jungle the Game takes place in 1930 & 2030.
Posted by Voodoo Magic
- Apr 29, 2020, 06:13:22 PMHappy to help!
Posted by T Dog
- Apr 29, 2020, 03:27:02 PMThanks for the recommendation!
Posted by Voodoo Magic
- Apr 29, 2020, 12:41:49 PMIt's the latest reoccurring Predator comic series at Dark Horse, and never since Predator has debuted in comics has Predator been this consistently good. There's Predator: Hunters I, II, and we were right in the middle of III when this pandemic hit.
Here's collections of series I and II. Chris Warner is writing the hell out of these. Highly recommend!
https://www.amazon.com/Predator-Hunters-Chris-Warner/dp/1506703925
https://www.amazon.com/Predator-Hunters-II-Chris-Warner/dp/1506709389
Here's collections of series I and II. Chris Warner is writing the hell out of these. Highly recommend!
https://www.amazon.com/Predator-Hunters-Chris-Warner/dp/1506703925
https://www.amazon.com/Predator-Hunters-II-Chris-Warner/dp/1506709389
Posted by T Dog
- Apr 29, 2020, 11:15:28 AMNo I never read that one!
Posted by Voodoo Magic
- Apr 28, 2020, 03:23:41 PMQuote from: T Dog on Apr 28, 2020, 01:08:50 PM
Working my way through this now.
Really enjoyed Concrete Jungle, hadn't read it since I was a kid, love the art and colouring.
Now Cold War; the story is enjoyable and engaging so far but holy shit did they drop the ball with the art/colouring. I'm guessing the budget was a lot lower and I can see on the credits it had a much fewer people working on it.
Yeah, Cold War can be a little hard on the eyes unfortunately imo.
Hopefully you've read the Predator Hunters series though. That is where it's at, in art AND story!
Posted by T Dog
- Apr 28, 2020, 01:08:50 PMWorking my way through this now.
Really enjoyed Concrete Jungle, hadn't read it since I was a kid, love the art and colouring.
Now Cold War; the story is enjoyable and engaging so far but holy shit did they drop the ball with the art/colouring. I'm guessing the budget was a lot lower and I can see on the credits it had a much fewer people working on it.
Really enjoyed Concrete Jungle, hadn't read it since I was a kid, love the art and colouring.
Now Cold War; the story is enjoyable and engaging so far but holy shit did they drop the ball with the art/colouring. I'm guessing the budget was a lot lower and I can see on the credits it had a much fewer people working on it.
Posted by Frosty Venom
- Jan 08, 2019, 02:20:05 PMApart from the last panel referencing the events of Alien 3, Newt's tale would transition well into Outbreak, in my opinion.
The Predator 2 comic adaptation must come after Dark River in this then right?
Would also be interesting to hear your opinion and reasoning on not liking Newt's Tale @Corporal Hicks
The Predator 2 comic adaptation must come after Dark River in this then right?
Would also be interesting to hear your opinion and reasoning on not liking Newt's Tale @Corporal Hicks
Posted by Whiskeybrewer
- Jan 08, 2019, 02:02:28 PMQuote from: Corporal Hicks on Jan 08, 2019, 02:01:04 PM
I don't know the story behind it but yeah, it quickly does away with the whole Space Jockey/Terraforming storyline.
That as a Mini series would have been great. Then after it could have led into Genocide
