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Posted by Still Collating...
 - Dec 14, 2017, 10:06:04 AM
Quote from: Nerium on Dec 14, 2017, 03:36:11 AM
Quote from: skhellter on Nov 29, 2017, 01:04:11 PM
The Neomorph's reproduction IS more efficient, yes..

but

The FaceHugger's modus operandi reflects David's "rapey" attitude towards humans.
It can be seen as a kind of signature and an "f u" to humanity from David.
The "motes" are deadly.. but the facehuggers are deadly AND humilliating.
And that seems to be David's goal, really.


+ the xeno's are a LOT tougher than the neomorphs, as has been said already.

110% agree with ya here. That's the entire point of the Xeno; to not only murder every single human, but ensure they are being raped and terrified to the Nth degree driven to madness right before the Jungian shadow inside us all bursts free of it's human prison and at last becomes the Omega to our Alpha. It's really just as simple as that in my opinion, and I've never ever seen anything such as this done before in fiction; it's the most terrifying thing I know since Covenant came out and my eyes were open to what Scott is doing with the whole A.I. thing being against all of nature and wanting the rebel Paradise Lost style. Like, David literally made demons tailored to  human beings, humanities own son; somehow that's way more terrifying than some 12,000,000 year old elephant space jockey, some ancient Lovecraftian tentacle monster, or even the Engineers themselves. Engineers saw the error in their ways I believe and they rebelled against their tech and A.I. and compartmentalized it only for specific tasks in favor of religion, farming, reconnecting to each other in real conversations and just naturally evolving the way they did before.  They in many ways are smarter and more stable than us, take a look at their city and all the pillar statues surrounding the hangar in the center; it's the archetypes of the psyche and they understood balance must be maintained inside the mind; unlike humans. They KNEW they effing KNEW that if they didn't "abandon the wolf" a Decon or Neomorph thing would run rampant eventually, the Xenochrist mural imo was a warning to what lurks in the back of every intelligent being and exactly what David now embodies, pure rape and disgusted resentment for all good things.

I really like this interpretation, seems fitting. I just hope the themes are played out well if we see Scott's sequel and not abandoned. Tie things up neatly.
Posted by The_Foxcatcher
 - Dec 14, 2017, 09:09:31 AM
Quote from: asil on Dec 14, 2017, 04:31:49 AM
Quote from: Nerium on Dec 14, 2017, 03:36:11 AM
Quote from: skhellter on Nov 29, 2017, 01:04:11 PM
The Neomorph's reproduction IS more efficient, yes..

but

The FaceHugger's modus operandi reflects David's "rapey" attitude towards humans.
It can be seen as a kind of signature and an "f u" to humanity from David.
The "motes" are deadly.. but the facehuggers are deadly AND humilliating.
And that seems to be David's goal, really.


+ the xeno's are a LOT tougher than the neomorphs, as has been said already.

110% agree with ya here. That's the entire point of the Xeno; to not only murder every single human, but ensure they are being raped and terrified to the Nth degree driven to madness right before the Jungian shadow inside us all bursts free of it's human prison and at last becomes the Omega to our Alpha. It's really just as simple as that in my opinion, and I've never ever seen anything such as this done before in fiction; it's the most terrifying thing I know since Covenant came out and my eyes were open to what Scott is doing with the whole A.I. thing being against all of nature and wanting the rebel Paradise Lost style. Like, David literally made demons tailored to  human beings, humanities own son; somehow that's way more terrifying than some 12,000,000 year old elephant space jockey, some ancient Lovecraftian tentacle monster, or even the Engineers themselves. Engineers saw the error in their ways I believe and they rebelled against their tech and A.I. and compartmentalized it only for specific tasks in favor of religion, farming, reconnecting to each other in real conversations and just naturally evolving the way they did before.  They in many ways are smarter and more stable than us, take a look at their city and all the pillar statues surrounding the hangar in the center; it's the archetypes of the psyche and they understood balance must be maintained inside the mind; unlike humans. They KNEW they effing KNEW that if they didn't "abandon the wolf" a Decon or Neomorph thing would run rampant eventually, the Xenochrist mural imo was a warning to what lurks in the back of every intelligent being and exactly what David now embodies, pure rape and disgusted resentment for all good things.

Ya, it's perfect to David but very uncomfortable to us.


The Facehuggers (versions of Facehuggers) existed much before the events of Covenant. Its an imminent result of mutation of sexual reproduction by Black goo.

David simply made his version of it (using flies & further hybridization).
   
Posted by asil
 - Dec 14, 2017, 04:31:49 AM
Quote from: Nerium on Dec 14, 2017, 03:36:11 AM
Quote from: skhellter on Nov 29, 2017, 01:04:11 PM
The Neomorph's reproduction IS more efficient, yes..

but

The FaceHugger's modus operandi reflects David's "rapey" attitude towards humans.
It can be seen as a kind of signature and an "f u" to humanity from David.
The "motes" are deadly.. but the facehuggers are deadly AND humilliating.
And that seems to be David's goal, really.


+ the xeno's are a LOT tougher than the neomorphs, as has been said already.

110% agree with ya here. That's the entire point of the Xeno; to not only murder every single human, but ensure they are being raped and terrified to the Nth degree driven to madness right before the Jungian shadow inside us all bursts free of it's human prison and at last becomes the Omega to our Alpha. It's really just as simple as that in my opinion, and I've never ever seen anything such as this done before in fiction; it's the most terrifying thing I know since Covenant came out and my eyes were open to what Scott is doing with the whole A.I. thing being against all of nature and wanting the rebel Paradise Lost style. Like, David literally made demons tailored to  human beings, humanities own son; somehow that's way more terrifying than some 12,000,000 year old elephant space jockey, some ancient Lovecraftian tentacle monster, or even the Engineers themselves. Engineers saw the error in their ways I believe and they rebelled against their tech and A.I. and compartmentalized it only for specific tasks in favor of religion, farming, reconnecting to each other in real conversations and just naturally evolving the way they did before.  They in many ways are smarter and more stable than us, take a look at their city and all the pillar statues surrounding the hangar in the center; it's the archetypes of the psyche and they understood balance must be maintained inside the mind; unlike humans. They KNEW they effing KNEW that if they didn't "abandon the wolf" a Decon or Neomorph thing would run rampant eventually, the Xenochrist mural imo was a warning to what lurks in the back of every intelligent being and exactly what David now embodies, pure rape and disgusted resentment for all good things.

Ya, it's perfect to David but very uncomfortable to us.
Posted by Neirum
 - Dec 14, 2017, 03:36:11 AM
Quote from: skhellter on Nov 29, 2017, 01:04:11 PM
The Neomorph's reproduction IS more efficient, yes..

but

The FaceHugger's modus operandi reflects David's "rapey" attitude towards humans.
It can be seen as a kind of signature and an "f u" to humanity from David.
The "motes" are deadly.. but the facehuggers are deadly AND humilliating.
And that seems to be David's goal, really.


+ the xeno's are a LOT tougher than the neomorphs, as has been said already.

110% agree with ya here. That's the entire point of the Xeno; to not only murder every single human, but ensure they are being raped and terrified to the Nth degree driven to madness right before the Jungian shadow inside us all bursts free of it's human prison and at last becomes the Omega to our Alpha. It's really just as simple as that in my opinion, and I've never ever seen anything such as this done before in fiction; it's the most terrifying thing I know since Covenant came out and my eyes were open to what Scott is doing with the whole A.I. thing being against all of nature and wanting the rebel Paradise Lost style. Like, David literally made demons tailored to  human beings, humanities own son; somehow that's way more terrifying than some 12,000,000 year old elephant space jockey, some ancient Lovecraftian tentacle monster, or even the Engineers themselves. Engineers saw the error in their ways I believe and they rebelled against their tech and A.I. and compartmentalized it only for specific tasks in favor of religion, farming, reconnecting to each other in real conversations and just naturally evolving the way they did before.  They in many ways are smarter and more stable than us, take a look at their city and all the pillar statues surrounding the hangar in the center; it's the archetypes of the psyche and they understood balance must be maintained inside the mind; unlike humans. They KNEW they effing KNEW that if they didn't "abandon the wolf" a Decon or Neomorph thing would run rampant eventually, the Xenochrist mural imo was a warning to what lurks in the back of every intelligent being and exactly what David now embodies, pure rape and disgusted resentment for all good things.
Posted by Paranoid Android
 - Dec 13, 2017, 02:46:33 PM
Quote from: tleilaxu on Dec 12, 2017, 11:16:00 AM
Or alternatively, the movie was on a tight budget and having everybody wear an expensive suit would've hampered its production.
You mean the same expensive suits the actors wear in both earlier and later scenes in the exact same film? Maybe those are like, James Bond space suits, that self-destruct after exposure to a camera. That's why they couldn't have worn those suits again after shooting the sail repair and final hanger battle scenes.

Yeah, the only reason they don't wear space suits when exploring the planet is cause if they were to behave like reasonable people there'd be no movie.
Posted by OpenMaw
 - Dec 12, 2017, 08:06:43 PM
Quote from: tleilaxu on Dec 12, 2017, 11:16:00 AM
Or alternatively, the movie was on a tight budget and having everybody wear an expensive suit would've hampered its production.

Covenant was on a tight budget?

They already have space suits. It's not like it would have cost the much to get some basic hazmat garments and gas masks.
Posted by SM
 - Dec 12, 2017, 07:59:35 PM
Quote from: Highland on Dec 12, 2017, 12:13:37 PM
There were no suits in Aliens and it worked perfectly well.

**sets trap for Scorpio

:laugh:
Posted by Deathbearer
 - Dec 12, 2017, 06:41:55 PM
Quote from: Highland on Dec 12, 2017, 12:13:37 PM
There were no suits in Aliens and it worked perfectly well.

**sets trap for Scorpio

Better get your pulse rifle ready
Posted by Highland
 - Dec 12, 2017, 12:13:37 PM
There were no suits in Aliens and it worked perfectly well.

**sets trap for Scorpio
Posted by tleilaxu
 - Dec 12, 2017, 11:16:00 AM
Quote from: PsyKore on Dec 12, 2017, 03:00:29 AM
I wonder if they had no suits in the film because they needed a way for the spores to infect them. The no suits or helmet thing didn't bother me though, but seeing the spores penetrating through a suit would've been an easy solution. They could've even done something simple like have Ledward take off his helmet to have a smoke - which is still stupid, but the dude needs a smoke!
Or alternatively, the movie was on a tight budget and having everybody wear an expensive suit would've hampered its production.
Posted by SM
 - Dec 12, 2017, 11:06:46 AM
That and even 30 years after Alien, the helmets on Prometheus were still burdensome.
Posted by Jonesy1974
 - Dec 12, 2017, 09:56:36 AM
Quote from: Highland on Dec 12, 2017, 08:13:10 AM
Quote from: PsyKore on Dec 12, 2017, 03:00:29 AM
I wonder if they had no suits in the film because they needed a way for the spores to infect them. The no suits or helmet thing didn't bother me though, but seeing the spores penetrating through a suit would've been an easy solution. They could've even done something simple like have Ledward take off his helmet to have a smoke - which is still stupid, but the dude needs a smoke!

Obvious one I've mentioned before is that they just didn't want a large chunk of the movie with actors acting inside space suits. Funnily enough the character development was pretty below par anyway, but I'd say that's a good reason.

In Prometheus they did the same thing with the atmosphere inside. It would be a difficult experience for both the viewer and the actors just prancing about in space suits.

No doubt for someone to come along and say "it's safe guys" anyway.

This is exactly the reason. Its just so the audience can easily recognize and relate to the characters.
Posted by Highland
 - Dec 12, 2017, 08:13:10 AM
Quote from: PsyKore on Dec 12, 2017, 03:00:29 AM
I wonder if they had no suits in the film because they needed a way for the spores to infect them. The no suits or helmet thing didn't bother me though, but seeing the spores penetrating through a suit would've been an easy solution. They could've even done something simple like have Ledward take off his helmet to have a smoke - which is still stupid, but the dude needs a smoke!

Obvious one I've mentioned before is that they just didn't want a large chunk of the movie with actors acting inside space suits. Funnily enough the character development was pretty below par anyway, but I'd say that's a good reason.

In Prometheus they did the same thing with the atmosphere inside. It would be a difficult experience for both the viewer and the actors just prancing about in space suits.

No doubt for someone to come along and say "it's safe guys" anyway.
Posted by PsyKore
 - Dec 12, 2017, 03:00:29 AM
I wonder if they had no suits in the film because they needed a way for the spores to infect them. The no suits or helmet thing didn't bother me though, but seeing the spores penetrating through a suit would've been an easy solution. They could've even done something simple like have Ledward take off his helmet to have a smoke - which is still stupid, but the dude needs a smoke!
Posted by OpenMaw
 - Dec 12, 2017, 01:05:45 AM
They're both pretty damn awful.

In either case I still think it would have been more effective, scene-wise, had the expedition been wearing some kind of hazmat, and we witnessed the spores penetrating the material somehow. Like watching them burrow between the fibers like a rat under a door. Up the intelligence of the human characters, and make the spores more terrifying.
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