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Posted by Biomechanoid
 - Dec 13, 2017, 10:25:36 PM
Thanks for share. It's interesting that he was trying to avoid any similarity to dinosaurs. I'm not suggesting Giger foresaw the onslaught of dinosaur tales and documentaries capturing the masses attention spawned by Spielberg. More like an intriguing coincidence Giger wanted his creation to be unique to the unknown and upcoming dino juggernaut.
Posted by Gash
 - Dec 13, 2017, 10:18:37 PM
Quote from: Biomechanoid on Dec 13, 2017, 09:29:05 PM
Quote from: Gash on Dec 13, 2017, 09:10:42 PM
I find the alien queen way too much like the dinosaur that Giger was desperately trying to avoid in his designs.
This caught my attention. I've been a Giger fan long before his Alien fame. Clear back when I bought my ELP Brain Salad Surgery album and drawn towards any info on him since. Is this something you've read in an article or interview and he said that? If so, I find that intriguing since the dinosaur explosion popularity had not hit the masses yet. In fact, dinosaurs in film were practically non-existent during his period of designing the Alien. I mean, it sounds like Giger. I wonder why he was so desperate to avoid any similarity to dinosaurs.

Giger was working alongside Roger Dicken to create the alien forms and Dicken had worked on films like The Land that Time Forgot and Warlords of Atlantis, so he was slightly geared towards that dinosaur design initially. During construction of the Chestburster it went from having black eyes and forearms to the familiar design it became. at one stage Giger wrote ( I think in Giger's Alien) that between them they had drawn back from elements that made the alien look too similar to a dinosaur - legs rather than forearms possibly but I'd have to find the quote.
Posted by Biomechanoid
 - Dec 13, 2017, 09:29:05 PM
Quote from: Gash on Dec 13, 2017, 09:10:42 PM
I find the alien queen way too much like the dinosaur that Giger was desperately trying to avoid in his designs.
This caught my attention. I've been a Giger fan long before his Alien fame. Clear back when I bought my ELP Brain Salad Surgery album and drawn towards any info on him since. Is this something you've read in an article or interview and he said that? If so, I find that intriguing since the dinosaur explosion popularity had not hit the masses yet. In fact, dinosaurs in film were practically non-existent during his period of designing the Alien. I mean, it sounds like Giger. I wonder why he was so desperate to avoid any similarity to dinosaurs.
Posted by Gash
 - Dec 13, 2017, 09:10:42 PM
Nah. I think that colony at the atmosphere processor should be its own thing: the route that's taken when the alien devolves into a natural life cycle rather than an 'alien' one. 

Egg morphing and biological weapon enhancement is much more f***ed up and interesting.

I find the alien queen way too much like the dinosaur that Giger was desperately trying to avoid in his designs.
Posted by PsyKore
 - Dec 10, 2017, 08:58:56 AM
Quote from: SM on Dec 07, 2017, 10:05:00 AM
That shot lingered too long and ended up being clunky.

Yeah, agreed. I could see what Ridley was trying to do with it, like using the homage as a sort of foreshadowing for what was about to happen aboard the Covenant, but it just felt very awkward.
Posted by monkeylove
 - Dec 08, 2017, 07:00:20 AM
More likely ideas borrowed from the first two movies given the argument that if it worked in the past, it should do as well for an international audience, many of whom probably never heard of those films.
Posted by Alionic
 - Dec 07, 2017, 08:33:37 PM
Quote from: Highland on Dec 06, 2017, 11:19:19 AM
Quote from: Scorpio on Dec 06, 2017, 10:56:42 AM
Sounds too much like fan service.  Damage control to appease fans.

This is the first time I've probably agreed with you. Scorpio, you aint that bad, lets watch Aliens together and we can play with our pulse rifles.

Only if you turn the safety switch of your pulse rifle on.
Posted by SM
 - Dec 07, 2017, 10:05:00 AM
That shot lingered too long and ended up being clunky. 
Posted by PsyKore
 - Dec 07, 2017, 08:07:57 AM
That, and the drinky bird. ;D
Posted by Highland
 - Dec 07, 2017, 08:04:55 AM
Quote from: SiL on Dec 07, 2017, 07:57:35 AM
But that's literally what the Alien was in Covenant.

Yeah I thought about that too. Very true.
Posted by SiL
 - Dec 07, 2017, 07:57:35 AM
But that's literally what the Alien was in Covenant.
Posted by monkeylove
 - Dec 07, 2017, 07:45:24 AM
Given production costs and the need to sell to an international market, any fan service will likely be secondary.
Posted by TWJones
 - Dec 06, 2017, 10:47:04 PM
Quote from: Baron Von Marlon on Dec 06, 2017, 04:51:07 PM
The Engineers use their own aliens. But it turns out they're made out of 3rd humanoid race.
Bam! Universe expanded.

But I think it's more logical we get to see Engineers and humans VS David and xenomorphs.
Or everyone vs everyone else. All out war. No one survives but the individual(s) on board the Derelict.

Could be, but Ridley referenced The War of the Worlds, and in that story there is a force tearing down the world while humanity tries to figure out how to stop it. And then it turns out that all of their weapons couldn't do what a few germs could.

It makes me wonder who is who in Ridley's WOTW scenario...the Engineers raining hell down on David and his colonist project, or David raining hell down on another planet. Who knows, but I'm in.
Posted by Baron Von Marlon
 - Dec 06, 2017, 04:51:07 PM
The Engineers use their own aliens. But it turns out they're made out of 3rd humanoid race.
Bam! Universe expanded.

But I think it's more logical we get to see Engineers and humans VS David and xenomorphs.
Or everyone vs everyone else. All out war. No one survives but the individual(s) on board the Derelict.
Posted by TWJones
 - Dec 06, 2017, 02:41:53 PM
Quote from: SM on Dec 04, 2017, 10:47:24 AM
I've had the idea for a while of how they could correct something a lot of people didn't like, by David being confronted by the Engineers with their own Aliens (that are ancient) and condemning his facsimiles and his pride.

If Ridley is going to address the fact that the original Space Jockey was ancient, and the temples in Prometheus were ancient; this idea seems to be the only logical way to tie up the loose ends. That what David has created is in fact inferior to what the Engineers have already created.

David has some serious aspirations (as based on the Advent feature) to use his creations to "rule the galaxy." The next film would not be interesting story-wise if David remains at the top of the hill. There needs to be a plot line that topples him, and a far more sophisticated Alien creature, created on an unknown off-world base, that comes into the picture to destroy what David has done seems to be the only way this story can properly advance.
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