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Posted by Kel G 426
 - Mar 01, 2017, 10:05:26 AM
QuoteThe first major obstacle is the title.  It does reek of desperation, not to mention it screams "cheap".  It sounds like a boxing match.  I'm not sure you can get round that, which means it would be up to  actual content to elevate the title.

If they would just make the film everyone wants and set it in the future, they could bill it as a "Colonial Marines" movie.

QuoteI personally believe that it isn't and Alien no longer needs Ripley,

It's not so much that the series needs Ripley. Or Hicks.  Folks just want to see those characters get a better turn than they got in Alien³.
Posted by BishopShouldGo
 - Mar 01, 2017, 06:19:12 AM
For starters a new AvP movie should be called "Alien Versus Predator". Spelling it out gives it more class.

Then the content would of course further elevate it provided it's good. Don't approach it in a crossover manner. Approach it like any other film. Story story story first.
Posted by SM
 - Mar 01, 2017, 05:05:35 AM
QuoteWell, if you are right then I guess that the franchise is pretty much dead already

I pointed out the opposing response to my argument and said it was correct...
Posted by Nyarlathotep
 - Mar 01, 2017, 04:32:03 AM
Quote from: SM on Mar 01, 2017, 03:44:07 AM
When it comes to Ripley and people screaming "enough Ripley", my response is that there's six films with Aliens in, and the four best ones have Ripley in them, the implication being Alien and Ripley need each other.

The reasoned response to that is 'just because the existing AvP films don't work, doesn't mean they couldn't in the future'.  Which is completely correct.  There are ways to get the balance right so the respective franchises aren't weakened (something like the first comic series would work).  The first major obstacle is the title.  It does reek of desperation, not to mention it screams "cheap".  It sounds like a boxing match.  I'm not sure you can get round that, which means it would be up to the actual content to elevate the title.
Well, if you are right then I guess that the franchise is pretty much dead already. I personally believe that it isn't and Alien no longer needs Ripley, but I guess Covenant's success or failure will be the true Judge of that.

Even if it did somehow work (which as I previously said I doubt that it would) I'd still be against it because of my detestment of the idea.

Quote from: LCpl. D. Grant on Mar 01, 2017, 03:56:00 AM
Quote from: Nyarlathotep on Mar 01, 2017, 03:13:08 AM
Because I feel that film crossovers not only reek of desperation, but often serve to only further weaken there respective franchises.

The comics didn't.
I was speaking of film crossovers, not comic ones. I have no problem with the crossovers as long as they stay in the extended universe.
Posted by D. Compton Ambrose
 - Mar 01, 2017, 03:56:00 AM
Quote from: Nyarlathotep on Mar 01, 2017, 03:13:08 AM
Because I feel that film crossovers not only reek of desperation, but often serve to only further weaken there respective franchises.

The comics didn't.
Posted by SM
 - Mar 01, 2017, 03:44:07 AM
When it comes to Ripley and people screaming "enough Ripley", my response is that there's six films with Aliens in, and the four best ones have Ripley in them, the implication being Alien and Ripley need each other.

The reasoned response to that is 'just because the existing AvP films don't work, doesn't mean they couldn't in the future'.  Which is completely correct.  There are ways to get the balance right so the respective franchises aren't weakened (something like the first comic series would work).  The first major obstacle is the title.  It does reek of desperation, not to mention it screams "cheap".  It sounds like a boxing match.  I'm not sure you can get round that, which means it would be up to the actual content to elevate the title.
Posted by Nyarlathotep
 - Mar 01, 2017, 03:13:08 AM
Quote from: SM on Mar 01, 2017, 02:14:50 AM
Why not?
Because I feel that film crossovers not only reek of desperation, but often serve to only further weaken there respective franchises.

Quote from: BishopShouldGo on Mar 01, 2017, 02:53:58 AM
Quote from: Nyarlathotep on Mar 01, 2017, 01:47:53 AM
I disagree, there is plenty of reason to hate both ideas, and no AVP most definitely does not deserve "A-level treatment."

If someone said "It! The Terror From Beyond Space" didn't deserve A-treatment, we never would've received Alien.
I never said that it didn't. What I meant was that most crossovers such as AVP don't.
Posted by BishopShouldGo
 - Mar 01, 2017, 02:53:58 AM
Quote from: Nyarlathotep on Mar 01, 2017, 01:47:53 AM
I disagree, there is plenty of reason to hate both ideas, and no AVP most definitely does not deserve "A-level treatment."

If someone said "It! The Terror From Beyond Space" didn't deserve A-treatment, we never would've received Alien.
Posted by SM
 - Mar 01, 2017, 02:14:50 AM
Why not?
Posted by Nyarlathotep
 - Mar 01, 2017, 01:47:53 AM
I disagree, there is plenty of reason to hate both ideas, and no AVP most definitely does not deserve "A-level treatment."
Posted by Kel G 426
 - Feb 28, 2017, 05:34:58 PM
As someone who wants both Alien 5 and a new AVP, it's weird to me that Blomkamp champions one idea, yet condemns the other.  Both concepts have the same potential to be awesome movies.

There's really no reason to hate the AVP concept.  It's a B-movie idea for sure, but so was Alien, right? Just like Alien, it deserves the A-movie treatment.

I don't know what FOX thought they were doing with the first two "vs" films, but those definitely weren't A-level treatments.

I've always wished that Aliens Vs Predator had been made as a sequel to Aliens. Similarly, I'd love to see Blomkamp follow up A5 with a new AVP.  Would love to see Rip n Hicks to encounter the predators.
Posted by Local Trouble
 - Feb 27, 2017, 02:28:50 PM
Quote from: Xenomorphine on Feb 26, 2017, 04:08:16 AM
He's on record as heavily disliking the AVP concept.

As do I.
Posted by Xenomorphine
 - Feb 27, 2017, 01:54:28 PM
Quote from: oberonqa on Feb 26, 2017, 10:25:19 PM
To be honest who doesn't like the AVP concept as it has been depicted on film so far?  I wonder if his feelings is due to not liking the idea of the two franchises intermingling or is it due to execution of the idea?  If it's the former... not much can be done to change his mind there.  If it's the latter, then I wonder if he might not be able to be convinced into doing it by showing him the AvP comics.  He may not even be aware of the comics if it's a matter of disliking the idea due to the execution of the movies....

It's the former. He doesn't like the concept, itself and thinks both series should stay away from one another.
Posted by oberonqa
 - Feb 26, 2017, 10:49:51 PM
Quote from: SM on Feb 26, 2017, 10:39:08 PM
QuoteTo be honest who doesn't like the AVP concept as it has been depicted on film so far?

A clear majority.

;)

Exactly - the films have not done the AvP concept any measure of justice.  I do think there is potential for a good movie... but it has to be done right and the right way to do it is NOT the way the movies have done it.
Posted by SM
 - Feb 26, 2017, 10:39:08 PM
QuoteTo be honest who doesn't like the AVP concept as it has been depicted on film so far?

A clear majority.

;)
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