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Posted by SiL
 - Sep 16, 2023, 10:28:56 PM
Action-wise it needs to focus more on hunting and cat-and-mouse chases than up close fights. Knock ''em down wrestling matches don't suit either.

Imagine the last act of Predator but with a Predator in Arnie's position and the Alien in the Predator's position. Stalking, hunting, hiding, each trying to get the advantage over the other.

It would then be much easier to work humans directly into the conflict. Kind of hard to get a person in when your antagonists are locked in a death toll on the floor.
Posted by Acid_Reign161
 - Sep 16, 2023, 07:52:35 PM
Quote from: Thatguy2068 on Sep 16, 2023, 06:34:54 PM
Quote from: Acid_Reign161 on Sep 12, 2023, 09:16:58 PM'Aliens vs Predator' works as a video game and a toy line. It doesn't work as a movie (and I'd argue doesn't even make a particularly good comic book either).

As a kid, I loved the Alien Trilogy. I loved both Predator movies.. played the hell out of the Kenner Alien and Predator toys and imagined all kinds of scenarios... but every official crossover has just left a sour taste. The sole exceptions being 'Alien vs Predator' on Atari Jaguar, the 90s arcade game (just for its whole Kenner-esque appeal) and the collectible card game (which has awesome photoshopped images showing exactly what we all actually wanted in an AvP movie)
I disagree, it can work for a movie it just have to be does right, the first AvP was ok, but was restricted by the stupid decision to make it a PG-13, and the less said about AvPR the better.

You just need the right people.

It *could* work as a movie, yes... but not in its current format (which I believe will only ever work for comic books and games) - it doesn't matter who you get to direct, how good the budget and writers etc, it will fail as a movie if it tries to emulate the comics and games.

For a movie, I believe they need to completely overhaul the format; it needs to focus on the human characters instead of using them as a plot device to get the two monsters together. I'd say it should switch from the action genre to horror. One Alien, one Predator (no fodder), equally matched, with both having the upper hand or retreating appropriately - to achieve this, I'd strip back the predator tech to be in line with 'Prey'. The humans may not even realise they are dealing with two separate creatures right away. It needs a claustrophobic future setting (Alien universe), and use that setting to play into each creature's strengths. They need to drop the whole 'space velociraptor' depiction of the xeno and make it a smart, calculating intelligent bipedal creature again... and the story has to make more sense than "monsters fight, who will win?"
Posted by Thatguy2068
 - Sep 16, 2023, 06:34:54 PM
Quote from: Acid_Reign161 on Sep 12, 2023, 09:16:58 PM'Aliens vs Predator' works as a video game and a toy line. It doesn't work as a movie (and I'd argue doesn't even make a particularly good comic book either).

As a kid, I loved the Alien Trilogy. I loved both Predator movies.. played the hell out of the Kenner Alien and Predator toys and imagined all kinds of scenarios... but every official crossover has just left a sour taste. The sole exceptions being 'Alien vs Predator' on Atari Jaguar, the 90s arcade game (just for its whole Kenner-esque appeal) and the collectible card game (which has awesome photoshopped images showing exactly what we all actually wanted in an AvP movie)
I disagree, it can work for a movie it just have to be does right, the first AvP was ok, but was restricted by the stupid decision to make it a PG-13, and the less said about AvPR the better.

You just need the right people.
Posted by Acid_Reign161
 - Sep 12, 2023, 09:16:58 PM
'Aliens vs Predator' works as a video game and a toy line. It doesn't work as a movie (and I'd argue doesn't even make a particularly good comic book either).

As a kid, I loved the Alien Trilogy. I loved both Predator movies.. played the hell out of the Kenner Alien and Predator toys and imagined all kinds of scenarios... but every official crossover has just left a sour taste. The sole exceptions being 'Alien vs Predator' on Atari Jaguar, the 90s arcade game (just for its whole Kenner-esque appeal) and the collectible card game (which has awesome photoshopped images showing exactly what we all actually wanted in an AvP movie)
Posted by Thatguy2068
 - Sep 12, 2023, 12:01:34 AM
Quote from: Gilfryd on Aug 16, 2022, 06:03:39 PMPaul WS Anderson has the amazing ability to write the exact opposite of what everyone want to see
This is pretty much a perfect description of him
Posted by SparkyMularkey
 - May 10, 2023, 08:33:58 PM
That first AVP film, while far from perfect, is still a really fun, brain-turned-off, guilty pleasure flick. I think it also did a great job of keeping the Predator culturally relevant, at least. It certainly left an impression on me when I first saw it as a teenager.

I can't really say the same for the sequel, despite how cool Wolf is.
Posted by Kradan
 - Dec 26, 2022, 11:29:09 AM
Posted by alexpop
 - Dec 26, 2022, 08:02:12 AM
AVP.. no brainer.
Posted by BlueMarsalis79
 - Aug 17, 2022, 02:58:05 PM
Quote from: Gilfryd on Aug 16, 2022, 06:03:39 PMPaul WS Anderson has the amazing ability to write the exact opposite of what anyone wants to see, but the first AVP gets points for ambition/scale and simple nostalgia - it can't help but remind me of digging into the Alien Quadrilogy boxset as a kid.

AVPR is just vile and worse than one of those Platinum Dunes/Michael Bay produced horror movie remakes. The fact that this is even tangentially related to a film like Alien is unreal. (I like the scenes of Wolf snooping around though.)

That's exactly how I feel about them both.
Posted by Gilfryd
 - Aug 16, 2022, 06:03:39 PM
Paul WS Anderson has the amazing ability to write the exact opposite of what anyone wants to see, but the first AVP gets points for ambition/scale and simple nostalgia - it can't help but remind me of digging into the Alien Quadrilogy boxset as a kid.

AVPR is just vile and worse than one of those Platinum Dunes/Michael Bay produced horror movie remakes. The fact that this is even tangentially related to a film like Alien is unreal. (I like the scenes of Wolf snooping around though.)
Posted by OmegaZilla
 - Aug 16, 2022, 12:37:36 PM
Quote from: Kradan on Aug 14, 2022, 08:49:16 PMFrom what I know, Critters are poor man's Gremlins and I wasn't crazy about Gremlins to begin with
Critters was written before Gremlins was released and even had to undergo some rewrites because Gremlins was too similar. At the core, both are derivates of archetypes established in the 50s and the 60s (Fiend without a Face 1959 is an example; a seminal movie, inspired so many things it's not even funny)

Quote from: City Hunter Yautja on Aug 16, 2022, 01:02:27 AM
Quote from: Huntsman on Aug 12, 2022, 05:37:53 AMWhat were the people who voted Requiem smoking?

https://c.tenor.com/BlQBF2e1iXcAAAAd/predator2-predator.gif
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH
Posted by Kradan
 - Aug 16, 2022, 12:06:13 PM
The spear
Posted by BlueMarsalis79
 - Aug 16, 2022, 11:52:40 AM
I don't get it.
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