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Posted by SM
 - Aug 06, 2014, 11:52:44 PM
Quote from: Mr. Clemens on Aug 06, 2014, 10:24:18 PM
You know, I didn't even mind the monkeys. Maybe it's because they had a function in the scene, whereas the gophers were just 'ba-dum tsssh!'. It felt like Lucas had jumped into the director's chair for a moment while Spielberg was in the bathroom.  :D

I just think the monkeys were a bad idea, badly executed.

I can buy Indy in a fridge, because it's Indy.  I can't buy Mutt and some 1s and 0s pretending to be monkeys, because it's not Indy.
Posted by MH-875
 - Aug 06, 2014, 11:47:57 PM
Quote from: Mr. Clemens on Aug 06, 2014, 10:13:33 PM
Just wanna hold my hand up and say I enjoyed Indy 4, as well. 'Cept those goddamn gophers.
...

I guess it's the fate of such films to have those little quirks that some people shrug their way past and others stop, squint, and ask, "What the f**k"?

For me in this film it's the monkeys.  For you Mr. Clemens, the gophers.  For someone else the ants or the guys with the blow guns.  Some are fortunate enough to enjoy a film anyway instead of having that conversation with it that begins and ends with, "This is just not working.  It's not you, it's me.  No, it's totally you, Alien Resurrection."  Both reactions are perfectly normal in my book.  Different strokes and all.

Now I'm going to have trouble not picturing Lucas, wearing a Spielberg costume, sneaking into the director's chair.  Thank you for the image Mr. Clemens!  :)

Local Trouble, that was a snippet of the Plinkett 'review' of Episode 1?  What a fascinating genre the Internet has birthed: film critique as entertainment.... or has it existed before in some periodical?

Posted by Local Trouble
 - Aug 06, 2014, 10:27:07 PM
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Aug 06, 2014, 08:39:33 AM
Confused is the wrong word. Visual overload perhaps. It was so frenetic that I couldn't really concentrate on any of what was happening to be impressed by it. It was like visual white noise.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o3RR-rzT5ws#ws
Posted by Mr. Clemens
 - Aug 06, 2014, 10:24:18 PM
You know, I didn't even mind the monkeys. Maybe it's because they had a function in the scene, whereas the gophers were just 'ba-dum tsssh!'. It felt like Lucas had jumped into the director's chair for a moment while Spielberg was in the bathroom.  :D
Posted by SM
 - Aug 06, 2014, 10:19:39 PM
Gophers were on screen for a few seconds.

Those monkeys on the other hand...
Posted by Mr. Clemens
 - Aug 06, 2014, 10:13:33 PM
Just wanna hold my hand up and say I enjoyed Indy 4, as well. 'Cept those goddamn gophers. It's a fun film. MH-875's young/old thesis is bang-on, in my opinion, and certainly applies to Star Wars just as much.

Quote from: A_Sexual_Tyrannosaurus on Aug 06, 2014, 06:38:38 AM
Yeah, your opinion no longer matters to me...

...and the opinion of someone actually in favour of an Alien 'reboot' no longer matters to me.
Posted by LastSurvivor92
 - Aug 06, 2014, 02:30:50 PM
Quote from: Local Trouble on Aug 06, 2014, 03:31:32 AM
Quote from: Chronicle on Aug 06, 2014, 02:25:15 AM
Quote from: Local Trouble on Aug 06, 2014, 12:12:10 AM
They were all awful once he stopped making an effort to align them with the games.

dude even starting with Mortal Kombat it was horrible. I think the one film that maybe got close to even being called worthy to be a film is the first Resident Evil and thats it. All the other stuff is plebian.

They were all better movies than Alien Resurrection.


Oh stop it Local!  :laugh:
Posted by 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔈𝔦𝔤𝔥𝔱𝔥 𝔓𝔞𝔰𝔰𝔢𝔫𝔤𝔢𝔯
 - Aug 06, 2014, 12:24:27 PM
Quote from: tmjhur on Aug 06, 2014, 11:23:26 AM
http://www.blogcdn.com/www.engadget.com/media/2008/10/train.jpg

Is that a Henschel and Son, class 25 4-8-4, engine number 477615? Wow they always were considered a bit overpowered.

They also always had problems with connecting rods failing, big end bearings breaking up as well as cracks developing in the motion girder of the Alligator crossheads.
Posted by SM
 - Aug 06, 2014, 12:12:15 PM
Wow.

Subtle.
Posted by T Dog
 - Aug 06, 2014, 11:23:26 AM




Posted by SM
 - Aug 06, 2014, 10:25:00 AM
With the Yavin battle, or Hoth, or Endor or Naboo - the battle is the focus.

Empire wants to blow Yavin; Alliance wants to destroy Death Star.
Empire wants to destroy Alliance shield  and base; Alliance fights delaying action while they evacuate.
Alliance wants to destroy shield/ Death Star; Empire wants to annihilate Alliance fleet.
Naboo/ Gungans want to take out droid control ship and capture Viceroy; Trade Federation wants the Queen.

The battle is the story.

With ROTS, the story is Obi-Wan and Anakin have to rescue the Chancellor and the battle is just a backdrop.
Posted by HuDaFuK
 - Aug 06, 2014, 09:21:16 AM
Quote from: MH-875 on Aug 06, 2014, 09:09:47 AMTo be honest it's a similar effect for me during the Operations battle in Aliens.

I got the impression that was supposed to be a little confusing and chaotic, what with all the strobe lights and quick cutting.

Perhaps the same is true of Revenge of the Sith. But I didn't get that from the battles in the original series, or The Phantom Menace.
Posted by MH-875
 - Aug 06, 2014, 09:09:47 AM
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Aug 06, 2014, 08:07:37 AM
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I think what ruined the film for me was that they showed you the aliens at the end. In the first film, the Ark kills all the Nazis but we never see God. Shiva doesn't rock up to burn Mola Ram's hand in the second. Jesus Christ doesn't walk out of the temple in the third. It was all left to our imagination. By simply showing us the aliens, it took away all the mysticism.
...

I can understand that but I also wonder whether the fact that the crystal skull was a body part of the "mystical" being means that to not show it whole would have denied the viewer an expected payoff or been anti-climactic.  Might having not depicted the restored "alien" been on par with opening the Ark and having the Nazi's simply drop dead instead of the pretty-then-scary wraiths and face melting?

For the sake of conveying mysticism I suspect they could have done better than interdimensional beings but another religious artifact might have been too old hat.  In my opinion, it was set up to be non-mystical from the start when they borrowed from Roswell and Area 51.

My thoughts on imagery-rich space battles:  Revenge of the Sith's opener challenged me a bit too.  I wanted to follow what was happening to this ship and that ship, wondered which ship belonged to which side, etc.  It was spectacular, but perhaps too much so for me.  And perhaps that is part of the point: "fog of war" for the viewer if I don't misuse the phrase.  Some of the bigger battles in the various Star Trek series and Babylon 5 probably did this to me too, as well as the Alliance/Reaver fight in Serenity.  "Pan back!  I was still looking at that one ship!"

To be honest it's a similar effect for me during the Operations battle in Aliens.
Posted by HuDaFuK
 - Aug 06, 2014, 08:54:12 AM
Quote from: SM on Aug 06, 2014, 08:41:12 AMNo different the battle in Return of the Jedi.

Not to me. That one felt far more lucid.
Posted by SM
 - Aug 06, 2014, 08:41:12 AM
No different the battle in Return of the Jedi.  This one just had more going in the wide shots in the background.
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