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Posted by Biomechanoid
 - Nov 30, 2017, 02:16:13 AM
Quote from: Jigsaw85 on Nov 29, 2017, 06:59:04 PM

That's hilarious. Why would they act all shocked and offended by the hate when it's clear they did everything in their power to earn it?
I don't remember the details, maybe a long-timer here does. It might have been just one of the brothers. Anyway, they also were trying to defend how dark (lighting) it was. He went back and forth with some members and ended it with a frustrated and angered post by him. Fortunately, they have been given no more director projects that I know of after the stinker Skyline, and that was seven years ago.
Posted by Jigsaw85
 - Nov 29, 2017, 06:59:04 PM
Quote from: Biomechanoid on Nov 28, 2017, 07:25:21 PM
AVPR was made by Predator fanboys. The brothers even admitted they are Predator fanboys. I recall them getting on the old alienexperience forum and they got roasted, which they left in anger. From time to time, I see someone stating they should let fanboys make a film. ...... AVPR is one of the results of allowing fanboys make a film.

That's hilarious. Why would they act all shocked and offended by the hate from an ALIEN fan site when it's clear they did everything in their power to earn it?
Posted by GreybackElder
 - Nov 29, 2017, 11:49:04 AM
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Nov 29, 2017, 09:25:47 AM
Quote from: Scorpio on Nov 29, 2017, 01:51:58 AMAm I the only one who thinks the predators in AVP weren't that bad?

Probably.

Quote from: Scorpio on Nov 29, 2017, 01:51:58 AMIt was a bold new vision for Predator, to breathe new life into the concept.

I actually prefer the insanely different designs for both Predators and Aliens that Constantine Sekeris did early in production. I really wish they'd gone that out there with everything. So your assertion that people hate them just because they're different doesn't hold much water.

What they ultimately went with wasn't a "bold new vision" at all, it was a laughably bulky caricature look. I mean, practically any time the Predators move around in the film they look like cartoons, not the graceful, powerful hunters they're supposed to be.
I couldn't agree more!
Posted by HuDaFuK
 - Nov 29, 2017, 09:25:47 AM
Quote from: Scorpio on Nov 29, 2017, 01:51:58 AMAm I the only one who thinks the predators in AVP weren't that bad?

Probably.

Quote from: Scorpio on Nov 29, 2017, 01:51:58 AMIt was a bold new vision for Predator, to breathe new life into the concept.

I actually prefer the insanely different designs for both Predators and Aliens that Constantine Sekeris did early in production. I really wish they'd gone that out there with everything. So your assertion that people hate them just because they're different doesn't hold much water.

What they ultimately went with wasn't a "bold new vision" at all, it was a laughably bulky caricature look. I mean, practically any time the Predators move around in the film they look like cartoons, not the graceful, powerful hunters they're supposed to be.
Posted by GreybackElder
 - Nov 29, 2017, 04:13:41 AM
Quote from: Scorpio on Nov 29, 2017, 01:51:58 AM
Am I the only one who thinks the predators in AVP weren't that bad?

I like the designs, more in line with Samurais than Rastafarian warriors. 

It was a bold new vision for Predator, to breathe new life into the concept.

But fans who grew up with Predator 1&2, hate it of course, because anything different is bad.  And they will nitpick it to death, even though the originals are not perfect either.
I would embrace different if I felt it was executed properly. I'll be honest I really disliked the face of the predators in AVP. Not because it was different than P1 or P2. All predator movies have thier own take on the predator's face. I rather liked the super predators exaggerated mandibles. I just thought the predators in AVP 1 looked goofy as f**k. I really hated how the teeth looked.  I also disliked the way the preds sounded in AVP. It was like a lion's roar. Literally a lion. At least the first 2 movies, AVP R and predators sounded somewhat unique.   Also the preds in AVP seemed so bulky. I think it was because the suit design has actual armor that came off and wasn't a part of the suit. Also Don't tell me that Alien fans weren't nit picking the ever living f**k out of the Alien Covenant Xeno. I am as much a fan of these franchises as the next. We Nitpick because love!
Posted by Scorpio
 - Nov 29, 2017, 01:51:58 AM
Am I the only one who thinks the predators in AVP weren't that bad?

I like the designs, more in line with Samurais than Rastafarian warriors. 

It was a bold new vision for Predator, to breathe new life into the concept.

But fans who grew up with Predator 1&2, hate it of course, because anything different is bad.  And they will nitpick it to death, even though the originals are not perfect either.
Posted by GreybackElder
 - Nov 29, 2017, 01:30:36 AM
Quote from: Jigsaw85 on Nov 28, 2017, 03:08:02 AM
Ah come on guys, Wolf is a total BADASS! a true ELITE! an example of EVERYTHING a predator should be! I mean, yeah, ok, so there were several moments where the Predalien should have killed him outright and there were times when the aliens were portrayed as weak and helpless......ok that was all the time, but COME ON, Just look at him:



He's just so perfect! He's just so awesome and perfect! Did you see the badass way he shoved that poor helpless alien to the ground like a 5-year-old? Come on, I want to hear theories about how many hunts he had to go on in order to master that amazing technique. Do you think other predators could match him in a fight? I mean, he did display AMAZING hand to hand combat techniques such as grabbing two aliens by the neck, I mean THAT WAS BADASS! Damn, I can only imagine the harsh discipline and countless tries before he was able to master such an AWESOME tactic.

OH did I mention how SMART he is?! He's so smart he smashed through the front door of a hospital full of aliens and armed humans that could kill him at any moment. What!? You thought that was a reckless and stupid move? Ho Ho Ho, you're clearly not a true Predator fan if you believe that. Clearly the experienced and knowledgeable Wolf used his superior hunter's intuition and knew that there was no danger. I mean....obviously.

My favorite part of the whole movie was the fact that the ENTIRE PREDATOR RACE put their trust in one predator to take care of an Alien outbreak. I mean yeah, there was no way he was ever going to succeed because Aliens multiply 100X faster than he could kill them but still. Isn't it just awesome, and not forced at all, to have one Predator crush, slaughter and humiliate the Aliens for 90 minutes? Isn't that what we TRUE PREDATOR fans wanted? to watch a single predator bitch slap around a bunch of helpless insects in order to establish that the predators are vastly superior to the aliens? Ok so the aliens were portrayed as 4-foot-tall weak little bitches, which goes against everything established in the alien movies and what the predator stands for, since predators hunt for the challenge and all. But who cares, right? it's not like the aliens have a fanbase of their own......right?

Let's all take a moment and thank the Strause brothers for truly understanding the predators better than anyone before or after them. Especially after their pathetic portrayal in AVP......and Predator 2.......f**k even the first PREDATOR. I mean, really? a Predator getting killed with a boy scout trap? WOLF would have anticipated such a childish move and don't even get me started on Predator 2. a predator beaten by an old LA Cop? f**k YOU JOHN MCTIRNAN! You never understood the predator character like the Strause brothers did. ALL PREDATORS NEED TO BE ON THE LEVEL OF THE MIGHTY WOLF: The ELITE MASTER of the Predator race. I mean, sure, the Strause brothers never showed Wolf with a massive trophy cabinet or a scene where all the predators bow before him as he leaves to go to Earth but WE TRUE FANS know Wolf was a badass elite because the Strause brothers said so in an interview. :D The Strause Brothers were true masters of story telling.

I'm going to start a Wolf fan club, if you'd like to join call 1-800-FCK-WOLF.
That is great! Bitter much? I think you might have mentioned something quite profound in this rant . The predator in this movie embarrassed the xenomorph therefore embarrassing all alien fanboys? Like I've mentioned before I'm a huge predator fan and like I mentioned before I do feel wolf is overpowered/aliens under powered, most characters In the film had questionable judgement and the plot was paper thin. AVP R was by no means a great film.  For me personally  I think wolf was a more memorable character than any in AVP.  aesthetically he was great(when you could make him out by turning the contrast up on your tv.) He had Cool gadgets and was practically invincible. With the Strauss brothers being predator fans they made a movie for predator fans. It felt more like a predator movie(a bad one at that) with aliens in it.  I'm sure if it was reversed with 1 xeno wiping out 1000000 predators the predator fans would be upset too. At the end of the day all we truly want as AVP fans is a movie that does both franchises justice. I'm still waiting for it to happen!
Posted by Biomechanoid
 - Nov 28, 2017, 07:25:21 PM
AVPR was made by Predator fanboys. The brothers even admitted they are Predator fanboys. I recall them getting on the old alienexperience forum and they got roasted, which they left in anger. From time to time, I see someone stating they should let fanboys make a film. ...... AVPR is one of the results of allowing fanboys make a film.
Posted by Mister Skeezler
 - Nov 28, 2017, 05:08:33 PM
Quote from: Jigsaw85 on Nov 28, 2017, 03:08:02 AM
Ah come on guys, Wolf is a total BADASS! a true ELITE! an example of EVERYTHING a predator should be! I mean, yeah, ok, so there were several moments where the Predalien should have killed him outright and there were times when the aliens were portrayed as weak and helpless......ok that was all the time, but COME ON, Just look at him:



He's just so perfect! He's just so awesome and perfect! Did you see the badass way he shoved that poor helpless alien to the ground like a 5-year-old? Come on, I want to hear theories about how many hunts he had to go on in order to master that amazing technique. Do you think other predators could match him in a fight? I mean, he did display AMAZING hand to hand combat techniques such as grabbing two aliens by the neck, I mean THAT WAS BADASS! Damn, I can only imagine the harsh discipline and countless tries before he was able to master such an AWESOME tactic.

OH did I mention how SMART he is?! He's so smart he smashed through the front door of a hospital full of aliens and armed humans that could kill him at any moment. What!? You thought that was a reckless and stupid move? Ho Ho Ho, you're clearly not a true Predator fan if you believe that. Clearly the experienced and knowledgeable Wolf used his superior hunter's intuition and knew that there was no danger. I mean....obviously.

My favorite part of the whole movie was the fact that the ENTIRE PREDATOR RACE put their trust in one predator to take care of an Alien outbreak. I mean yeah, there was no way he was ever going to succeed because Aliens multiply 100X faster than he could kill them but still. Isn't it just awesome, and not forced at all, to have one Predator crush, slaughter and humiliate the Aliens for 90 minutes? Isn't that what we TRUE PREDATOR fans wanted? to watch a single predator bitch slap around a bunch of helpless insects in order to establish that the predators are vastly superior to the aliens? Ok so the aliens were portrayed as 4-foot-tall weak little bitches, which goes against everything established in the alien movies and what the predator stands for, since predators hunt for the challenge and all. But who cares, right? it's not like the aliens have a fanbase of their own......right?

Let's all take a moment and thank the Strause brothers for truly understanding the predators better than anyone before or after them. Especially after their pathetic portrayal in AVP......and Predator 2.......f**k even the first PREDATOR. I mean, really? a Predator getting killed with a boy scout trap? WOLF would have anticipated such a childish move and don't even get me started on Predator 2. a predator beaten by an old LA Cop? f**k YOU JOHN MCTIRNAN! You never understood the predator character like the Strause brothers did. ALL PREDATORS NEED TO BE ON THE LEVEL OF THE MIGHTY WOLF: The ELITE MASTER of the Predator race. I mean, sure, the Strause brothers never showed Wolf with a massive trophy cabinet or a scene where all the predators bow before him as he leaves to go to Earth but WE TRUE FANS know Wolf was a badass elite because the Strause brothers said so in an interview. :D The Strause Brothers were true masters of story telling.

I'm going to start a Wolf fan club, if you'd like to join call 1-800-FCK-WOLF.
Love it. [emoji16]
Posted by BigDaddyJohn
 - Nov 28, 2017, 03:09:33 PM
Personally i like him more for his aesthetics than his actions really.
Posted by Jigsaw85
 - Nov 28, 2017, 03:08:02 AM
Ah come on guys, Wolf is a total BADASS! a true ELITE! an example of EVERYTHING a predator should be! I mean, yeah, ok, so there were several moments where the Predalien should have killed him outright and there were times when the aliens were portrayed as weak and helpless......ok that was all the time, but COME ON, Just look at him:



He's just so perfect! He's just so awesome and perfect! Did you see the badass way he shoved that poor helpless alien to the ground like a 5-year-old? Come on, I want to hear theories about how many hunts he had to go on in order to master that amazing technique. Do you think other predators could match him in a fight? I mean, he did display AMAZING hand-to-hand combat techniques such as grabbing two aliens by the neck, THAT WAS SOOOOOOO BADASS! Damn, I can only imagine the harsh discipline and countless tries before he was able to master such an AWESOME tactic.

OH did I mention how SMART he is?! He's so smart he smashed through the front door of a hospital full of aliens and armed humans that could kill him at any moment. What!? You thought that was a reckless and stupid move? Ho Ho Ho, you're clearly not a true Predator fan if you believe that. Clearly the experienced and knowledgeable Wolf used his superior hunter's intuition and knew that there was no danger. I mean....obviously.

My favorite part of the whole movie was the fact that the ENTIRE PREDATOR RACE put their trust in one predator to take care of an Alien outbreak. Ok sure, there was no way he was ever going to succeed because Aliens multiply 100X faster than he could kill them but still. Isn't it just awesome, and not forced at all, to have one Predator crush, slaughter and humiliate the Aliens for 90 minutes? Isn't that what we TRUE PREDATOR fans wanted? to watch a single predator bitch slap around a bunch of helpless insects in order to establish that the predators are vastly superior to the aliens? Ok so the aliens were portrayed as 4-foot-tall weak little bitches, which goes against everything established in the alien movies and what the predator stands for, since predators hunt for the challenge and all. But who cares, right? it's not like the aliens have a fanbase of their own......right?

Let's all take a moment and thank the Strause brothers for truly understanding the predators better than anyone before or after them. Especially after their pathetic portrayal in AVP......and Predator 2.......f**k even the first PREDATOR. I mean, really? a Predator getting killed with a boy scout trap? WOLF would have anticipated such a childish move and don't even get me started on Predator 2. A predator beaten by an old LA Cop? f**k YOU JOHN MCTIRNAN! You never understood the predator character like the Strause brothers did. ALL PREDATORS NEED TO BE ON THE LEVEL OF THE MIGHTY WOLF: The ELITE MASTER of the Predator race. I mean, sure, the Strause brothers never showed Wolf with a massive trophy cabinet or a scene where all the predators bow before him as he leaves to go to Earth but WE TRUE FANS know Wolf was a badass elite because the Strause brothers said so in an interview buried deep within the internet. :D The Strause Brothers were true masters of story telling.

I'm going to start a Wolf fan club, if you'd like to join call 1-800-FCK-WOLF.
Posted by happypred
 - Oct 24, 2017, 02:10:33 AM
Preds killed more aliens...but the aliens had the most memorable kill
Posted by Corporal Hicks
 - Sep 22, 2017, 08:32:56 AM
I think AvP was pretty reasonably balanced. Aliens did pretty well when they relied on stealth (massive tail aside) and the Predator's owned from longer range.
Posted by Scorpio
 - Sep 22, 2017, 03:12:02 AM
The xenomorphs weren't that strong in AVP.
Posted by happypred
 - Sep 22, 2017, 02:03:33 AM
Quote from: Huntsman on Sep 17, 2017, 01:31:54 AM
That's why the AVP movie was a good balance.
. . .
If anything, the Xenomorphs were depicted as the stronger foe.

Sounds a bit contradictory...
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