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[quote author=Horhey link=msg=1093951 date=1303577886]
[center][b]US Imperialism in Haiti[/b][/center]

[url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P77s-SeA8rs#]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P77s-SeA8rs#[/url]

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[center][b]2004 US Military Coup in Haiti[/b][/center]

Just beginning with the 1990 election of Aristide (far too narrow a time frame), Washington was appalled by the election of a populist candidate with a grass-roots constituency just as it had been appalled by the prospect of the hemisphere's first free country on its doorstep two centuries earlier. Washington 's traditional allies in Haiti naturally agreed.

[quote]The fear of democracy exists, by definitional necessity, in elite groups who monopolize economic and political power.[/quote]

-Africology professor and renowned Haitian scholar Bellegarde-Smith observes in his perceptive history of Haiti ; whether in Haiti or the US or anywhere else.

The threat of democracy in Haiti in 1991 was even more ominous because of the favorable reaction of the international financial institutions (World Bank, IADB) to Aristide's programs, which awakened traditional concerns over the "virus" effect of successful independent development. These are familiar themes in international affairs: American independence aroused similar concerns among European leaders. The dangers are commonly perceived to be particularly grave in a country like Haiti , which had been ravaged by France and then reduced to utter misery by a century of US intervention. If even people in such dire circumstances can take their fate into their own hands, who knows what might happen elsewhere as the "contagion spreads."

The Bush I and Clinton administrations reacted to the disaster of democracy by shifting aid from the democratically elected government to what are called "democratic forces": the wealthy elites, and the business sectors, who, along with the murderers and torturers of the military and paramilitaries, had been lauded by the Bush II administration, in their Reaganite phase, for their progress in "democratic development," justifying lavish new aid. "The praise came in response to ratification by the Haitian people of a law granting Washington 's client killer and torturer Baby Doc Duvalier the authority to suspend the rights of any political party without reasons. The referendum passed by a majority of 99.98%."

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[URL=http://www.nytimes.com/1995/12/03/world/haitian-ex-paramilitary-leader-confirms-cia-relationship.html?pagewanted=1]The New York Times reports:[/URL]

[quote]The former leader of Haiti's most feared right-wing paramilitary group has confirmed that he was a paid agent of the Central Intelligence Agency from 1991 to 1994. His relationship with the C.I.A., he said, started shortly after a right-wing military junta overthrew Mr. Aristide in September 1991 .

It has already been reported that leaders of the junta were on the C.I.A.'s payroll from the mid-1980's until at least the early 1990's. It also has been reported that the agency had set up a Haitian intelligence service whose members attacked Mr. Aristide's supporters, as did Mr. Constant's paramilitary organization, the Front for the Advancement and Progress of Haiti.[/quote]

In an article entiteled, "HAITI: Rights Groups Disclose U.S. Support for Extremists", [url=http://www.williambowles.info/haiti-news/archives/rights_070296.html]Inter Press Service reports:[/url]

[quote]The United States’ role in Haiti became the focus of controversy again this week with the release of classified documents showing U.S. ties to extremist right-wing groups during the 1991-94 reign of the military junta there.

Thousands of pages of newly declassified U.S. documents, received by the New York-based Centre for Constitutional Rights (CCR), depict a U.S. government that understood the brutal nature of Haiti’s rightist opposition — but denied it in public.

‘’Obviously, they were talking out of both sides of their mouth,’’ CCR lawyer Michael Ratner said of the U.S. government.

‘’They were talking about restoring democracy to Haiti, but at the same time, they were undermining democracy in the coup period— at times supporting a group that committed terrorist acts against the Haitian people,’’ Ratner told IPS.

He contended that U.S. suspicions of Aristide’s leftist populism prodded them to seek support from even the most brutal anti-Aristide elements.

human rights groups blame FRAPH for the bulk of some 4,000 murders committed from Aristide’s ouster in a September, 1991, coup until his return with U.S. support in October, 1994.[/quote]

Refugees fleeing to the US from the terror of the US-backed dictatorships were forcefully returned, in gross violation of international humanitarian law. The policy was reversed when a democratically elected government took office. Though the flow of refugees reduced to a trickle, they were mostly granted political asylum. Policy returned to normal when a military junta overthrew the Aristide government after seven months, and state terrorist atrocities rose to new heights.

It therefore marked a positive step towards democracy as compared with the 99% approval of a 1918 law granting US corporations the right to turn the country into a US plantation, passed by 5% of the population after the Haitian Parliament was disbanded at gunpoint by Wilson's Marines when it refused to accept this "progressive measure," essential for "economic development."

Their reaction to Baby Doc's encouraging progress towards democracy was characteristic - worldwide -- on the part of the visionaries who are now entrancing educated opinion with their dedication to bringing democracy to a suffering world - although, to be sure, their actual exploits are being tastefully rewritten to satisfy current needs.

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The perpetrators were the army - the inheritors of the National Guard left by Wilson 's invaders to control the population - and its paramilitary forces. The most important of these, FRAPH, was founded by CIA asset Emmanuel Constant, who now lives happily in Queens, Clinton and Bush II having dismissed extradition requests -- because he would reveal US ties to the murderous junta, it is widely assumed. Constant's contributions to state terror were, after all, meager; merely prime responsibility for the murder of 4-5000 poor blacks.

[URL=http://www.nytimes.com/1999/11/11/opinion/l-they-terrorized-haiti-will-the-us-act-379352.html?ref=emmanuel_constant]Human Rights Watch letter to the New York Times:[/URL]

[quote]To the Editor:

Your Nov. 10 front-page article on the United States role in Haiti does not describe the Clinton administration's role in shielding the men who ruled and terrorized Haiti from 1991 to 1994.

United States troops patrolling Haiti in 1994 allowed most of the worst criminals to flee the country, but seized numerous records from the army and death squads, as well as photographs of torture sessions. Haitian prosecutors have spent five years trying to recover these materials. The United States now says it will not return the files unless it can first delete all references to American citizens.

Moreover, 16 high-ranking Haitian military officers have reportedly been allowed to live in the United States, among them Emmanuel Constant, the leader of a paramilitary group, who has bragged about receiving regular payments from the Central Intelligence Agency.

REED BRODY

Advocacy Dir., Human Rights Watch

New York, Nov. 10, 1999 [/quote]

In an article entiteled "Renewed Outcry on Haitian Fugitive in Queens",[URL=http://"http://www.nytimes.com/2000/08/12/nyregion/renewed-outcry-on-haitian-fugitive-in-queens.html?ref=emmanuel_constant"]The New York Times reports:[/URL]

[quote]Haitian-American leaders, outraged by the increasingly visible presence in Queens of a man accused of killing thousands in Haiti, are renewing a call to send the man back there for trial.

For more than five years, Emmanuel Constant, 43, the leader of a Haitian paramilitary group in the early 1990's, has lived intermittently with an aunt on a quiet street in southeast Queens since 1994, popping up at restaurants, coffee shops and nightclubs in Brooklyn and Queens and on Long Island.

His presence in the city has always angered Haitian exiles and human rights advocates who have tried to persuade the United States government to extradite him on murder charges.[/quote]

[url=http://www.nytimes.com/1999/03/05/opinion/l-keeping-secrets-on-haiti-611778.html?ref=emmanuelconstant]Human Rights Watch reports:[/url]

[quote]Kate Doyle is right to say the release of documents showing American complicity in genocide in Guatemala should ''set a precedent.'' In Haiti, some of the best evidence about the junta that ruled from 1991 to 1994 is in 160,000 documents the United States seized during its 1994 intervention. But Washington, determined to avoid revelations on its intelligence links to the junta, refuses to give the documents back without removing all American names.

Also, Washington has given Emmanuel Constant, its paid intelligence informant and leader of Haiti's most vicious paramilitary group, refuge from Haitian prosecution, apparently on condition that he not speak about his American connection.[/quote]

In an article entiteled "Haitians Cry 'Assassin' Outside Queens Home", [url=http://www.nytimes.com/2000/08/13/nyregion/haitians-cry-assassin-outside-queens-home.html?ref=emmanuelconstant]the New York Times reports:[/url]

[quote]High-pitched wails and angry shouts pierced the damp quiet of a Queens neighborhood yesterday morning as about 30 people gathered at the home of a former paramilitary leader from Haiti to protest his presence in the United States.

A coalition of Haitian and human rights groups has tried to persuade the United States government to extradite Mr. Constant to Haiti for trial. And this is not the first such protest demanding his arrest.

Outrage at his presence in a heavily Caribbean neighborhood prompted the Immigration and Naturalization Service to detain him for a year. He was abruptly released in 1996, raising suspicions that Mr. Constant, who has said he was a paid informer for the Central Intelligence Agency, struck a deal with the United States government: his freedom for his silence.

Pierre Florestal, 64, the host of a radio show on Radio Soleil d'Haiti, said Mr. Constant's life of relative impunity symbolized the way the United States had too often treated Haiti and its people. Without accountability for those who tortured, maimed, terrorized and then fled to exile, Mr. Florestal said, the victims could not heal.[/quote]

Recall the core element of the Bush doctrine, which has "already become a de facto rule of international relations," Harvard's Graham Allison writes in Foreign Affairs:

[quote]those who harbor terrorists are as guilty as the terrorists themselves.[/quote]

- in the President Bush's words, and must be treated accordingly, by large-scale bombing and invasion.

When Aristide was overthrown by the 1991 coup, the Organization of American States declared an embargo. Bush I announced that the US would violate it by exempting US firms. He was thus "fine tuning" the embargo for the benefit of the suffering population.

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Posted by maledoro

- May 31, 2011, 02:30:07 AM

He seems like an okay dude.

Posted by DoomRulz

- May 31, 2011, 02:18:51 AM

I see you've met my brother

Posted by maledoro

- May 31, 2011, 12:53:06 AM

As did I...

Posted by DoomRulz

- May 31, 2011, 12:41:43 AM

Well since we're on Facebook, I responded there lol

Posted by maledoro

- May 31, 2011, 12:33:52 AM

And here is the response I posted on Facebook...

QuoteI have a few bones to pick about this video. First, it should have came out when it was first revealed that Saddam Hussein didn't have WMDs. Otherwise, it looks like a lame attempt to smear Obama, who at least bothered to formulate an exit strategy unlike his predecessor.

Secondly, we can't just invade a country, destroy parts of it and let it spiral down into the chaos of civil war. We can't leave until the country bears some semblance of stability.

Lastly (unless I think of something else), going back to the first point, the video didn't show clips of Obama announcing plans for troop withdrawal (there are available videos of this) and instead relied on old videos (2009!) of him announcing the surges which would make a sooner exit more possible.

Posted by DoomRulz

- May 31, 2011, 12:18:09 AM

Not entirely in line with what Horhey is writing about I don't think, but this is a good video I wanted to share.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WWUQ_N_vHc0&feature=player_embedded#at=304

Posted by SM

- May 08, 2011, 11:51:41 PM

It's not news that the Indonesians have been shitting on West Papuans for a long time. Probably similar to how they did on the East Timorese, which was supported by the US and Australia (filthy f**king sellouts that we are).

Posted by Horhey

- May 02, 2011, 04:10:39 PM

Quote from: The PredBen on May 02, 2011, 11:48:46 AM
Massachusetts.

That explains it. People there are usually more astute on these issues. The home of Noam Chomsky, who is "arguably the most important intellectual alive" (the New York Times).

A List of Governments (mostly democracies) overthrown by the United States

A List of Governments Overthrown by the US

US Document: "COUNTERING CHAVEZ AND REASSERTING U.S. LEADERSHIP IN THE REGION"

The Empire is apparently preparing to use it's traditional measures to rid itself of the 22th "cancer" in our hemisphere before the "infection" spreads to even more of it's "Third World domains".

Wikileaks has obtained secret documents, authored by current Deputy Assistant Secretary of State for Western Hemisphere Affairs, Craig Kelly, and sent by the US Embassy in Santiago to the Secretary of State, CIA and Southern Command of the Pentagon, along with a series of other US embassies in the region. Kelly was the so called leading "mediator" during Washington's military coup in Honduras against President Zelaya in 2009.

The document states the following:

QuoteA SOUTHERN CONE PERSPECTIVE ON COUNTERING CHAVEZ AND REASSERTING U.S. LEADERSHIP

REF: ASUNCION 396 Classified By: AMBASSADOR CRAIG KELLY; Reasons 1.4(b), (d)

------- Summary -------

This, part two in a series of joint cables from Southern Cone embassies, looks at ways the U.S. can counter Chavez and reassert U.S. leadership in the region.

From posts' perspectives, there are six main areas of action for the USG as it seeks to limit Chavez's influence: --Know the enemy: We have to better understand how Chavez thinks and what he intends; --Directly engage: We must reassert our presence in the region ; --Enhance military relationships: We should continue to strengthen ties to those military leaders in the region who share our concern over Chavez;

--Play to our strength: We must emphasize that democracy, and a free trade approach that includes corporate social responsibility, provides lasting solutions; --Get the message out: Public diplomacy is key; this is a battle of ideas and visions. Septel provides detailed suggestions. 2. (C) We should neither underestimate Chavez nor lose sight of his vulnerabilities.

-------------- Know Thy Enemy --------------

To effectively counter the threat he represents, we need to know better his objectives and how he intends to pursue them. This requires better intelligence in all of our countries.

------------------------------ Change the Political Landscape ------------------------------

Chile offers another excellent alternative to Chavez. FM Foxley seeks to integrate Chile more fully into the global economy.

Chile has not only stated but demonstrated -- e.g. Bachelet"s letter to House leader Nancy Pelosi expressing Chilean support for congressional ratification of FTAs with Peru, Colombia, and Panama -- its willingness to help bring along other Latin American countries into the global economy.

We should look to find other ways to give Chile the lead on important initiatives, but without making them look like they are our puppets or surrogates.

( C) With regard to Mercosur, we should not be timid in stating that Venezuela"s membership will torpedo U.S. interest in even considering direct negotiations with the trading bloc,

----------------------------- Play to our Mil-Mil Advantage -----------------------------

¶10. (C) Southern Cone militaries remain key institutions in their respective countries and important allies for the U.S. These militaries are generally organized and technically competent. Their desire to maintain interoperability, access to U.S. technology and training are something we can turn to our advantage. As they seek to modernize, professionalize, and transform, they seek closer relations with the US to assist in those processes.

Over the past several years we have seen a steady decrease in funds for critical programs such as International Military Education and Training (IMET) and traditional Commander Activities (TCA) and the elimination of other important programs such as Foreign Military Financing (FMF) and Excess Defense Articles (EDA) due to sanctions under ASPA.

To effectively maintain our mil-to-mil relations and guide pol-mil events in the region in support of our interests, we must reverse the slide. Now is precisely the time we need to be increasing our pol-mil engagement and programs vice decreasing and limiting them. We also need to revisit some long-held and frankly rigid positions on SOFA agreements and insistence on certain privileges and immunities with a view to gaining flexibility to negotiate new defense cooperation agreements with regional militaries.

-------------------------- Stress Our Winning Formula --------------------------

¶12. (C) Chavez has made significant inroads, particularly with local populations, by providing programs for the underprivileged and by casting the U.S. as elitist and only interested in promoting free trade to the benefit of big business. The slogans are facile: Neoliberalism makes the rich richer and the poor poorer; the Bolivarian Revolution guarantees our region's sovereignty and dignity. But they ring true with some local populations and make others feel better about their own lack of progress.

¶13. (C) Transforming our image does not mean we walk away from our commitment to free trade and the promise it delivers to impoverished populations. However, it does mean we should do a better job of promoting free trade by pointing to local and global success stories, making it easier to forge FTAs, and by expanding access to U.S. markets, and by promoting investment. Concluding the Doha Round is critical to revitalizing more local trade negotiations and bolstering our own credibility.

------- COMMENT -------

Add to that the bluster of his anti-imperial, anti-U.S. rhetoric, and a certain squirrelly charisma, both of which continue to find a sympathetic audience in much of Latin America, and he presents a formidable foe. But he certainly can be taken.

QuoteWikileaks: Documents Confirm US Plans Against Venezuela

By Eva Golinger. The Chávez Code
The Chávez Code
Friday, Dec 17, 2010

State Department documents published by Wikileaks evidence Washington's plans to "contain" Venezuela's influence in the region and increase efforts to provoke regime change

US Backed Kopassus Target Civillians
Kopassus-US ties - secret documents
Kopassus-US ties - secret documents

Leaked Kopassus documents reveal that one of Washington's favorite death squads, the Kopassus have been targeting churches and killing tens of thousands of civillians in West Papua Indonesia. The Obama administration resumed military aid to the Kopassus in July 2010. Aid to the Koppassus had been banned by Congress after their US-backed large scale massacres in East Timor in the 1990's.

Leaked Kopassus Document

Leaked Kopassus Document

QuoteAs Obama Lands in Indonesia

US-Backed Death Squad Files Surface

By ALLAN NAIRN

Jakarta

Secret documents have leaked from inside Kopassus, Indonesia's red berets, which say that Indonesia's US-backed security forces engage in "murder [and] abduction" and show that Kopassus targets churches in West Papua and defines civilian dissidents as the "enemy."

Posted by The PredBen

- May 02, 2011, 11:48:46 AM

Massachusetts.

Posted by DoomRulz

- May 02, 2011, 05:02:29 AM

Where do you live?

Posted by The PredBen

- May 02, 2011, 01:44:30 AM

Quote from: maledoro on May 02, 2011, 01:42:03 AM
Quote from: The PredBen on May 02, 2011, 01:30:48 AM
With all due respect I think most Americans understand whats going on there.
"Buncha jewboys an' ragheads shootin' the shit outta each other. Tha's all..."

I can't remember which forum this took place on, but someone actually believed that the conflicts in Iraq and Afghanistan were between Muslims and Jews; even after I had explained the Shiites and the Sunni to them.

Oh lol I guess a lot don't know whats going on then. It's just my family and friends do know. And a lot of people in my area are up to date on knowledge. So perhaps I was judging America from my city lol.

Posted by maledoro

- May 02, 2011, 01:42:03 AM

Quote from: The PredBen on May 02, 2011, 01:30:48 AM
With all due respect I think most Americans understand whats going on there.

"Buncha jewboys an' ragheads shootin' the shit outta each other. Tha's all..."

I can't remember which forum this took place on, but someone actually believed that the conflicts in Iraq and Afghanistan were between Muslims and Jews; even after I had explained the Shiites and the Sunni to them.

Posted by The PredBen

- May 02, 2011, 01:30:48 AM

With all due respect I think most Americans understand whats going on there.

EDIT - Sorry for not giving a real answer. I guess most Americans don't know the numbers we see on that website.

Posted by maledoro

- May 02, 2011, 01:23:57 AM

All of the websites needed to tell us what I already know. My favorite website name: www.ifamericansknew.org

Posted by The PredBen

- May 02, 2011, 01:19:05 AM

Quote from: maledoro on May 02, 2011, 12:43:42 AM
Quote from: DoomRulz on May 02, 2011, 12:03:10 AM
I don't think it's very many, truthfully.
Me, neither.

What makes you think so?