Hey people, I wanted to make a thread for an upcoming fan project of AvP Classic. Longtime modder Bladeghost (aka Scythewraith) and author of such games as Phantasm and Blade Yautja (Doom 3 total conversion), as well as author of the Event Horizon, LV-426, and Pyramid multiplayer maps, has announced that he's started working on a project to recreate AvP Classic 2000 in Unreal Engine 5. He's named the project APM and he's just released a video demonstrating what he's accomplished in less than a month. Any thoughts or opinions on what you see, please leave your thoughts here. Also I'm sure he'd appreciate feedback as comments on his video as he's more likely to check that. And remember, this is alpha footage, so it may not necessarily be indicative of the final version.
Quite a massive undertaking, we have seen so many similar projects fall through I am reluctant to get really excited, but I wish him the best.
Just porting the videogame raw would allow for some interesting stuff to be done, just creating an overall improved version, Nightdive style. But considering what we saw in the Marine portion it using Classic as a starting point appears to be more the idea.
I do find the weird mish-mash of assets somewhat off-putting, but the idea of Classic being brought into this Century I do find intriguing, especially if that goes beyond the visual component.
Maybe using that custom Derelict map as inspiration in tandem with the original map for example.
Unless all the old stuff is placeholders for new dialogue or what have you, it is offputting. Too old to mesh well.
They used to call work on alien and pred projects outside of AVP2, which released the tools to make sp campaigns, that got axed as getting FOXED because they would halt work on it. But who knows how much mousehouse will interfere now.
Godspeed to him.
Careful while showing too much or the ones in charge might try to take it down. I remember an AVP Classic remake attempt using crysis engine that was foxed.
Glad to see Bladeghost doing more customs! I really enjoyed his Doom 3 mods. As the others have mentioned, previous remake attempts have been Foxed so hopefully he'll escape the wrath of Studios and I look forward to seeing more!
The lighting sure looks nice the rest looks ok, for an old game with the maps imported into the Unreal Engine 4. I feel like that if there is a remake of AVP Classic it definitely needs a redesign of the levels, since they were designed in the late 90s and 2000s compared to a more believable environments of Half Life 1 and AVP 2.
I always considered a remake (or a reimagined) of AVP Classic with the assets of the AVP2 Lithtech Engine with redesigned levels and a rewrite of each campaign narratives just to make thme look different from the original.
Fans after a new official AvP game hasn't come out in a decade:
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Hi Everyone, and Thanks for the love, and to Olde for opening this thread as I have an update to share.
I would be happy to answer any questions reguarding my APM Project, Thanks! Cheers! J
Much better than I was hoping for, this is looking like it'll be really fun. Take your time, but I can't wait for it to be released!
Thanks, as I look forward to getting it finished and released to everyone interested.
Something I'd like to mention is that I'm building this on Unreal Engine 5- 5.3.2 and this will require a DX 11 Graphics card to run this. min. just a FYI as It's getting there, again
Thanks Everyone. Happiest Cheers! J
Oh that is looking very tidy!!! Nice work, Jon! Eagerly awaiting more.
This looks very good, although I love that AvP classic runs and looks so good on modern systems.
I think it's mostly the great lightning and atmosphere (due to non-scripted enemies).
I don't have a gaming PC but I still hope for your success!
Thanks, I'm glad to take the extra time to make a better experience as it's getting there and the more I work on it, the better it becomes. Many new features have been added and will be quite diverse, I look forward to sharing this with everyone interested. Thanks! J
When it's ready which won't be much longer, you can check here, Thanks! J
https://www.indiedb.com/games/apm-project (https://www.indiedb.com/games/apm-project)
Hey Everyone Hi, I've added 3 more screenshots, Thanks, Cheers! J
Current Update, I have to say If I had released this early there would have
been many bugs, and crashes most undesirable and a total disaster. It's a good thing I test this
and play through it as most everything is now built and and soon ready
for public consumption, This week I'll be giving it a through play through
to make sure everything works. The save system still sucks, however
I'll see if a better solution can be had if I can come up with something
other than the current system I have in place. If not then it will have to do.
For now you can save your position in a level but not the level AND position.
or you can Load a level and then your position.
It's complicated with three different player modes.
I've been working on this everyday since this past August with at least 18 hour days
everyday to get this the way I would like it to be.
The action is there and everything else, yet this still bothers me
with the crappy save/load antiquated features as
Unreal Engine should have a better system to begin with.
Aside from that, I am working on getting it finished as soon as I can
To share with everyone eager to try this project.
And I look forward to hearing about the experiences from everybody.
Thanks for the patience and interest! Thanks Everyone! J
Edit: Something else I'd like to add is that once it's out there I cannot get it back to change it, as I will Not be making Patches. Thanks.
Thanks for the update bladeghost! Save system sounds like a right pain. Can it do something like the save stations from Isolation?
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Dec 11, 2023, 09:14:06 AMCan it do something like the save stations from Isolation?
That would be like giving a xenomorph a credit card,(I'm being silly) so probably not especially with
three different species. If it was just one player I would have used the easy save plugin that works for a single player only. As it doesn't work properly for 3. I'm still looking into this and to see what can be done. Otherwise I just need to test everything else to be sure it all works as it is. Thanks J
Checkpoints might work best, taking a cue from our good friend Halo.
I tell ya both what I'd like to do is have you two, BlueMarsalis79, and Corporal Hicks to try out an early access version and have a better understanding of what's going on. Perhaps you both can have a test run and get back to me with your feedback, that would be most appreciated.
This way you can see what I'm talking about.
It's still a mess in some parts, but playable. what do you folks say? Thanks! J
I wish I could, my good computer burned with my house sadly.
I'm so sorry to hear that, However I Thank you for your interest. as for checkpoints, again I have 3 species being 3 different players and would conflict with each other. so that may not be applicable. Thanks for the suggestion :) Cheers! J
I was just curious, do you known anyone with the same expertise as you that can help with you this? Just to make things a little easier?
Hi, Unfortunatly I do not. not on the standard I've set.
I've written so much code my brains are turning into spaghetti.
and then I have to go back and playtest all of that as well.
Fortunatly I've been able to fix alot of things, and I'm glad I found them.
As some were game breaking crashes and bugs. When things don't work
I do get frustrated, yet I'll keep fixing things on it until it's working.
The project on a whole is in much better shape now than it was recently.
As I do work on it everyday. Everything is built now, it's the testing
and refining that's taking time. The save system is still basic because
there is in essence 5 basic player types to choose from.
Quote from: bladeghost on Dec 11, 2023, 04:54:07 PMQuote from: Corporal Hicks on Dec 11, 2023, 09:14:06 AMCan it do something like the save stations from Isolation?
That would be like giving a xenomorph a credit card,(I'm being silly) so probably not especially with three different species. If it was just one player I would have used the easy save plugin that works for a single player only. As it doesn't work properly for 3. I'm still looking into this and to see what can be done. Otherwise I just need to test everything else to be sure it all works as it is. Thanks J
Lol that is a very very fair point. My mind was stuck on the Colonial Marine campaign for some reason.
Unless...you can make it visually different for each species? A hived up host, or an egg for the Alien for example?
Here's a new Update Thanks! J
(https://media.indiedb.com/images/games/1/84/83064/GatewayShot.jpg)
Something Important I'd like to mention is that an esteemed collegue and dear friend
Windebieste has contributed in re-constructing the the level geometry and placement of
rocks and cliffs and some collision placement in the Stranded level and volunteered
his time and effort to the APM Project. He did an Incredible job and it's looks fantastic.
The original Stranded from avp ge is much smaller in comparison, however this has a better feel
to it and plays out well. This effort has helped things along and I would like to publically let
everyone know of his effort. Thanks Windebieste, if you hear from him or see him around
give him a big thumbs up for me.
And as such had he not suggested stranded level and his eagerness to rebuild it, it would not
have been considered as an addition. I'm glad it's in and you can see some of it's result
with my finishing in the APM-Project Update 5 Video posted on youtube.
Another thing is why was I trying to get this all built as fast as I can.
as it seems it may not be ready before the end of the year as more testing and refinement
is needed. With the ALIEN campaign there is only one level and that is the temple level.
I feel there should at be at least one more since the Marine and Predator campaigns have
more than two. So I've decided to add gateway station into the fold and that will take a
little more time to make as I just began construction on it. I'll try and post a screenshot
of it , Thanks everyone again for your interest and wish you all the best Always!
Happiest Cheers! J
Continuing to look impressive, Jon! Especially like the intro the Stranded mission there.
How big a scope are you taking? I saw quite a few areas I didn't recognize (though that makes me want to replay the game too in case I'm just not remembering them).
Hi, One is from my Blade Yautja Project , Oasis of Nejeb which I rebuilt
from Blade of Darkness. The other is an Exclusive just for this project
Ruins of lost souls. As for the Gateway level gee whizz I didn't think I'd be hand placing
and converting over 600 objects. But that's not important as that's done for the most part as I now have
to do lighting and add in all the action. the Beginning is done and then comes all the
doors and fans with circuts. In the game all the lights are destructible though as that was one
of the features in the avp game. I had offered if you had liked to try an early build
but it's better that I have a newer build now that is different. I'll have to get back to you on that.
As for scope, that will be limited. The File Download size is now at 3.65GB.
I test on a packaged product not the editor as some things work there and not where it should.
more testing is needed and finishing too. Thanks Everyone! :)
Happiest Cheers! J
I'll happily accept some early builds to give a play, thank you. :)
Hi Thanks, Check your messages Corporal Hicks, So far I've been finishing up the Gateway level for the Alien. (lots of parts) Everything seems to work so far but still having some bugs and crashes in other areas. I'm Working on it. Thanks Everyone! Happiest Cheers! J
Awesome work so long :)
I was trying to upload the AVP1 models in Blender but it wasn't compatible - what software are you using?
Quote from: xxx on Dec 22, 2023, 04:02:12 PMAwesome work so long :)
I was trying to upload the AVP1 models in Blender but it wasn't compatible - what software are you using?
Hi, to get models from AVP GE or 1 you'll need 3ds max 3.1 and official fox tools plugins that import and export .RIF files. There is also a program called fastfile explorer or One called Texture Infecter for getting Textures and sounds extracted. Those are the basic tools you'll need to begin with. from there you can work with a format of your choosing. Hope that helps. :)
Wow,
thanks - I'll try :)
Near Last round of testing before release, waiting on third parties for feedback.
Thanks everyone for your interest.
If Stupid did not exist everything would be fine.
I love the Stranded map, it has a mini-story of its own. The remake looks pretty good!
The Stranded map is interesting because it leads to somewhere and isn't just a gauntlet.
The added weeds and brushes make it more challanging and scary. Plus there is a day/night cycle that adds another element of darkness.
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Alien Temple Level
Most of you will never know how much hair I've pulled out putting this together.
I believe I may Finally have a stable version build v2.3,.... I'll post some new updates soon Thanks.
From the renders alone, I can see how different this is from the original game. I can't imagine the trouble you went through! But it's fans like you that keep the games alive and add a fresh perspective always. So we definitely appreciate it!
Quote from: Still Collating... on Jan 31, 2024, 10:57:36 PMFrom the renders alone, I can see how different this is from the original game. I can't imagine the trouble you went through! But it's fans like you that keep the games alive and add a fresh perspective always. So we definitely appreciate it!
Renders and screenshots never do justice for any project soooo....
In my appreciation for all the viewers here on this forum that are interested
I'd like to share with you all an Early Access of the project that I'll post
here for ONE WEEK ONLY. Before I finalize it and upload the project
to Indie Moddb for public consumption, In return I only ask for your feedback
with your impressions, likes, dislikes and such so that I can polish it just
enough to be satisfactory with the communities help on this one.
After this time has expired V2.3 will be obsolete and will have changed.
this is just a small demo anyways and I could use the community's help and perspective.
Please and Thank you!.
From : February 1 to February 10 2024
APM Project V2.3 - Demo Early Access
Download size is 3.27GB .zip file
Early Access temporarily made available Here:
Early Access V2.3 Has Now ExpiredI would also ask to everyone interested to keep this file private and not spread it about and to keep this exclusive.
as this will be obsolete after awhile.
When it's finalized and finished then it can be shared by everyone. (it's just not finished yet) so there may still be bugs and crashes that may occur, just a FYI heads up.
Please provide your feedback here and Thanks!
I was asked about adding an Invert Mouse Feature,and left handed player functions, That will be available in the next build, V2.4 along with some new stuff. and yes I know about the floating AVP Game Box and some typos, For now V2.3 will give a good idea of what's to come. Thanks Cheers! J
(https://media.moddb.com/images/games/1/84/83064/ColonyS_Ent.jpg)
V2.5 New Level added.
(https://media.moddb.com/images/games/1/84/83064/colony1.jpg)
Another Screenshot...Some Alien Trilogy Action...perhaps?
This is a brief Update on the APM Project with a few more tidbits.
Here's an update with Gateway for the alien, and some of my alien Trilogy map. Alongside my rework of my Phantasm project with a quick preview.
Love the Alien: Trilogy stuff. I wish I could make levels as quickly as you!
Quote from: Olde on Feb 22, 2024, 12:10:58 PMI wish I could make levels as quickly as you!
Now Now, you'll just need more Beer for that. Most kind of you to say, Humblest Thanks!
The APM Project Demo has now been released for public consumption, you can get it here:
https://www.moddb.com/games/apm-project/downloads/apm-project-demo-v-27 (https://www.moddb.com/games/apm-project/downloads/apm-project-demo-v-27)
Thanks Everyone for your interest and patients. Happiest Cheers! J
I'm one of the few "inverted-mousers", so thanks for the feature!
Quote from: Wweyland on Feb 24, 2024, 03:20:11 PMI'm one of the few "inverted-mousers", so thanks for the feature!
Cool, you can thank Windebieste for suggesting that to be included, as well I have also added left handed controls as well. Most instructions are in the TAB dropdown Thanks! :) J
Will have to try this soon!
From lack of feedback and any responses, I Feel as if this has been a complete waste of my time and all my efforts have been for nothing. sorely disapointed. I see no reason to continue this project with no interest from anyone. I'll be moving on and I wish everyone all the best. Happiest Cheers! J
It's still fairly new.
Don't give up so easily.
Quote from: bladeghost on Mar 13, 2024, 01:33:15 AMFrom lack of feedback and any responses, I Feel as if this has been a complete waste of my time and all my efforts have been for nothing. sorely disapointed. I see no reason to continue this project with no interest from anyone. I'll be moving on and I wish everyone all the best. Happiest Cheers! J
Hi,
I was playing the demo, it looks awesome, I really liked the predator ship.
I do have problems with controls - is there an option for me to change the control keys?
My son also played it, he'll probably never play the original so I'm glad he liked it.
I thing there is a lot of members that played it, liked it but didn't leave feedback :)
Quote from: xxx on Mar 14, 2024, 09:40:02 AMHi,I do have problems with controls - is there an option for me to change the control keys?
Hi the controls are standard W,A,S,D and arrow keys for left handers, Because of Advanced Locomotion System,
I did try to add that feature of being able to remap controls, however the system would not function at all sadly, so I could not impliment that part.
Quote from: Sabres21768 on Mar 14, 2024, 08:08:19 AMIt's still fairly new.
Don't give up so easily.
Perhaps I may just put it aside for now to avoid burnout. as it could still use a few minor updates. But seriously only twelve downloads in total? Unless there is more interest in the project I'll have to leave it as is for now, so we'll see. Thanks!
Quote from: bladeghost on Mar 14, 2024, 03:01:34 PMQuote from: xxx on Mar 14, 2024, 09:40:02 AMHi,I do have problems with controls - is there an option for me to change the control keys?
Hi the controls are standard W,A,S,D and arrow keys for left handers, Because of Advanced Locomotion System, I did try to add that feature of being able to remap controls, however the system would not function at all sadly, so I could not impliment that part.
Quote from: Sabres21768 on Mar 14, 2024, 08:08:19 AMIt's still fairly new.
Don't give up so easily.
Perhaps I may just put it aside for now to avoid burnout. as it could still use a few minor updates. But seriously only twelve downloads in total? Unless there is more interest in the project I'll have to leave it as is for now, so we'll see. Thanks!
Just twelve? Weird, was it put to the AVP Facebook?
My problems were with the weapon selection....I mostly died because the weapon I was using suddenly wasn't working and I had to choose it again or choose another...
The different vision modes for predator are cool too
I downloaded but just haven't had a chance to get on it yet.
Hey Jon! Sorry, I played the previous demo but haven't had chance to try the new one as yet. It is buried a bit in this sub-board. I'm going to post it on our social pages and share it around the FB groups too.
Split off the starter project as its own thread and moved to the top of General A/P Games.
https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/index.php?topic=67175.0