I know this might sound like a stupid question coming from me. But....Why did the Pulse Rifle sound differently in Alien 3? Question Topic? I won't go into detail about the ending(Spoilers?) as most of you already know the scene that i'm talking about. But when one of the characters gets shot to death by the Containment Merc. Why did the gun sound differently?
Lore wise? I was always under the impression it was a different model of the Pulse Rifle? Or that it "was" the pulse rifle? Becuase playing some of the Alien games. Like Alien Trilogy etc the gun on these characters/mercs was a different type?
- Thankyou in advance :)
Somehow I don't think Fincher gave two shits about keeping things consistent with Aliens
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Because details often get mixed up in dreams.
I imagine it was nothing more than oversight and they didn't have access to the original sound effects from Aliens during post.
Quote from: Rankles75 on Apr 13, 2022, 02:23:40 PM
Because details often get mixed up in dreams.
Do you like Alien Isolation Rankles?
Or Fireteam Elite?
Or The RPG?
Sincere question.
Quote from: Rankles75 on Apr 13, 2022, 02:23:40 PM
Because details often get mixed up in dreams.
Touche
um....kind of sounds redundant. Since when was the Merc using the exact same weapon? The pods in the escape pod or life pod aren't the same as the ones on the Sulaco. and the vibe and tone of the third film used a tint so its obviously not your imagination that the metal is a different color. No need to chase fumes here and not really an issue.
It's been speculated before that the mercs didn't use the same type of ammo that the marines did. That could account for the different sound.
Quote from: acrediblesource on Apr 13, 2022, 04:45:13 PMThe pods in the escape pod or life pod aren't the same as the ones on the Sulaco.
Yes, they are.
This is from the end of Aliens:
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This is from the start of Alien 3, before the fire:
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Quote from: Local Trouble on Apr 13, 2022, 09:17:30 PM
It's been speculated before that the mercs didn't use the same type of ammo that the marines did. That could account for the different sound.
My headcanon has been that the Merc rifles were the M41e variant that gets mentioned in CMTM, loaded with different ammo.
Quote from: BlueMarsalis79 on Apr 13, 2022, 02:56:48 PM
Quote from: Rankles75 on Apr 13, 2022, 02:23:40 PM
Because details often get mixed up in dreams.
Do you like Alien Isolation Rankles?
Or Fireteam Elite?
Or The RPG?
Sincere question.
Haven't really played them tbh, other than an hour or so of Fireteam on my brother's PS5 (it didn't go particularly well). I did use to play the Aliens game on the Spectrum quite a bit. :)
That renders my follow up null and void then.
Basically being a question of compartmentalization, how someone deals with other material referencing stuff explicitly or implicitly that they try not to acknowledge the existence of, even Isolation's copywritten under "Alien, Aliens, Alien³ are properties of" on the title screen.
To me the production value of the films make the transition/translation/interpretation a moot point unless it was a major plot point.
Those images appear for a like a split second. To me that acknowledges how little value it plays in the whole story. It just seems to me that they dismantle and tear down their sets as usual or they might sell it to a collector.
That means it would be more better to reinterpret it rather than ask nicely for those collectors to not ass rape the production by asking for lots of money.
So pulse rifle sound or no not (from the 80s) its better to make something sound simliar rather than ask for the bloody 8 track tape that might cost the production more money because collectors can ask for money (they aren't a charity you know).
... they don't sell sound effect masters to collectors after every film, no.
Quote from: SiL on Apr 14, 2022, 10:04:26 PM
... they don't sell sound effect masters to collectors after every film, no.
So they would rather update and reinvent. You know pay people for their expertise? I know how i feel about that, i'm not sure about other people here on this forum though.
How many times do i need to say this sounds redundant? People are "hired" for making things. Companies don't hire people to rip the same sounds from old archival footage or sound files. They pay to make something new, so they do just that remember that they do the entire film and not just a bloody gun shot.
I understood the OP from the first line.....but the responses here are so damn ambiguous. Yes Fincher didn't give 2 shits because there is a new crew of sound and environment designers people need to recognize and they paid for them to do work which is respected in the film industry. That is all I'm saying. f**king like it or not, they dont make 4 dollar micro figurines from NECA.
I understand people here make fan work....with playdoe and papie mache. Please just state your perspectives with clarity rather than get into some philosophical debate on authenticity because you want to live in this fantasy world.
Honestly I don't even know what you're trying to argue at this point. You're getting super worked up about nothing while complaining that other people are getting philosophical or something?
Get some fresh air, this isn't healthy.
I guess his point is that continuity of set design in a sequel is unimportant because they hired new set designers to make something different? ???
Ah, which is why they made the cryotubes look like Alien rather than an entirely new design, of course.
Quote from: Local Trouble on Apr 14, 2022, 11:24:09 PM
I guess his point is that continuity of set design in a sequel is unimportant because they hired new set designers to make something different? ???
The producers thought people wouldnt look too much into a few seconds of the intro and make a problem out of what they were seeing.
Little did they know Joe Schmo saw the cryotube,threw his pop corn, and left the theatre. The normies heard him mumble something about "continuity" on the way out.
I mean if I didn't like the rest of Alien³ so much, it might really bother me also, and to an extent it does.
Of all of people's problems with the movie, the cryotube design is not the one that most people bring up when they trash the movie.
This is some serious tilting at windmill shit - and also super off topic.
I mean the visual and audio continuity from Aliens in general to be clear.
I can see people throwing their popcorn and leaving over Ix and Noot dying not because cryotubes looked different
When I first saw that egg on the Sulaco, I could barely eat my popcorn. >:(
i realize this entire thread is made up of meme bait. So why would my passion for the production mean anything to anyone even if i say this entire post is meme bait?
Why are you acting personally insulted that people point out the continuity changes?
Quote from: SiL on Apr 15, 2022, 11:13:43 PM
Why are you acting personally insulted that people point out the continuity changes?
It's my personal opinion. Why wouldn't you defend the continuity changes/oversight considering they weren't done intetionally to change the story?
Why would I bother? I didn't make the changes, I have no skin in the game.
Quote from: SiL on Apr 15, 2022, 11:37:50 PM
Why would I bother? I didn't make the changes, I have no skin in the game.
Ok.good. What was this thread about? and then someone says X (because....of you know why right-mumble grumble) then i retort. Then cycle continues. Then you say why are you offended and taking it harshly, then i say its my opinion, then someone else, well i think its because they don't care, and I go ok, thats your opinion. Cycle restarts again.
So, what you're saying is...
What are you saying? ???
Listen, you're just local trouble trying bring up more of yourself.
Lets just go back to the OP and ask the question....do you really like the audio pew pew this time for new movie, but its not the audio pew pew like the original. is it authentic? and why did they have to change it. and it bad? isit bad bad or just bad? f**k man just delete the OP.
Yes, it was bad. So bad.
Spoiler
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IyhJ69mD7xI
i dont get you man. What does that bad mean. Lets converso for the next 4 months about this bad. just let this cycle of nonsensensible convo continue add infinitum til some one drops dead first.
Continuity > artistic license
Are you sure you're credible?
Quote from: acrediblesource on Apr 15, 2022, 02:21:00 PM
Quote from: Local Trouble on Apr 14, 2022, 11:24:09 PM
I guess his point is that continuity of set design in a sequel is unimportant because they hired new set designers to make something different? ???
The producers thought people wouldnt look too much into a few seconds of the intro and make a problem out of what they were seeing.
Little did they know Joe Schmo saw the cryotube,threw his pop corn, and left the theatre. The normies heard him mumble something about "continuity" on the way out.
I'm getting real bored of the attitude towards discussion and other fans. Enough please.
Just wanted to read up on everyone's thoughts since the original Post i made about it.
Headcanon that it uses a different ammo? I think this is the most plausible in-universe explanation tbh. Hmm, i always thought though the Wayland Merc/Guards whatever you call them simply uses a different issued version of the military Marines Pulse Rifle hense the different sound.
It only occurred to me when I stopped to consider that corporate security forces may not need military-grade armor piercing ammo in most cases.
I think what makes Alien 3's cryotubes so jarring is because of how much attention to detail Cameron put into the narcissus, so you kinda expect the next movies in the series to have that same attention to detail/continuity. I do, however, like the idea that the opening sequence is a POV from Ripley's dream state.
Quote from: PsyKore on Apr 30, 2022, 09:28:28 AM
I think what makes Alien 3's cryotubes so jarring is because of how much attention to detail Cameron put into the narcissus, so you kinda expect the next movies in the series to have that same attention to detail/continuity. I do, however, like the idea that the opening sequence is a POV from Ripley's dream state.
Maybe not perfect, but Ripley's harpoon gun can be seen in the Aliens opening sequence. So yeah, Cameron indeed paid careful attention to the work of his predecesor.
(https://i.ibb.co/thM4bxz/Screenshot-20220430-143949.jpg)
Which means you've brought up good points in the discussion., and I would add that...
Spoiler
When tears of sadness streaks your face, you are not alone.
When you feel lost and out of place, you are not alone.
When it seems you can't carry on...and everything you do is wrong, you are not alone.
When you open your presents on the holiday, you are not alone.
When nothing can seem to spoil your day, you are not alone.
When it seems like you made it through, but there's no one to share this feeling with you, you are not alone.
You'll never be alone when I'm around.
I'll cheer you up when you are down, and whether you are happy or feeling blue, I will always be there for you.
So when you feel alone and in dark, just keep me in your heart, and you will never be alone.
Quote from: Local Trouble on Apr 29, 2022, 10:55:29 PM
It only occurred to me when I stopped to consider that corporate security forces may not need military-grade armor piercing ammo in most cases.
Explosive tipped, even.
Aaron's body and Morse's knee don't get blown apart.
Quote from: Immortan Jonesy on Apr 30, 2022, 06:42:07 PMQuote from: PsyKore on Apr 30, 2022, 09:28:28 AMI think what makes Alien 3's cryotubes so jarring is because of how much attention to detail Cameron put into the narcissus, so you kinda expect the next movies in the series to have that same attention to detail/continuity. I do, however, like the idea that the opening sequence is a POV from Ripley's dream state.
Maybe not perfect, but Ripley's harpoon gun can be seen in the Aliens opening sequence. So yeah, Cameron indeed paid careful attention to the work of his predecesor.
(https://i.ibb.co/thM4bxz/Screenshot-20220430-143949.jpg)
Which means you've brought up good points in the discussion., and I would add that...
Spoiler
When tears of sadness streaks your face, you are not alone.
When you feel lost and out of place, you are not alone.
When it seems you can't carry on...and everything you do is wrong, you are not alone.
When you open your presents on the holiday, you are not alone.
When nothing can seem to spoil your day, you are not alone.
When it seems like you made it through, but there's no one to share this feeling with you, you are not alone.
You'll never be alone when I'm around.
I'll cheer you up when you are down, and whether you are happy or feeling blue, I will always be there for you.
So when you feel alone and in dark, just keep me in your heart, and you will never be alone.
I never noticed that before, damn.
Isn't that your stance on beep-boop Necrons?
That's really more of a New Coke type thing.
Quote from: Xenomrph on May 01, 2022, 12:14:57 AMQuote from: Local Trouble on Apr 29, 2022, 10:55:29 PMIt only occurred to me when I stopped to consider that corporate security forces may not need military-grade armor piercing ammo in most cases.
Explosive tipped, even.
Aaron's body and Morse's knee don't get blown apart.
That struck me when rewatching it, recently, yeah.
In fairness, the comics and games keep popularising how shooting people with the kind of ammunition from the films would act just like being shot with today's M-4 or whatever. But realistically, it's the kind of ammunition which is used by helicopter gunships to chew up lightly armoured vehicles and bunkers. People don't comprehend just
how violent it would be for the human body to get hit by something like that.
Morse's entire leg should have ceased to exist. They'd be like miniature grenades and, going by the effect of how the Aliens explode, they seem fused to explode after entering targets.
Aliens aren't weak. It's a testament to how strongly armoured they are that they need to be hit several times before it has those effects on them. A human would become a fine red mist with meaty chunks landing a good distance away.
It reminds me of how '
Warhammer 40,000' games and comics are often criticised by its own fandom for having bolters being depicted like they're today's machine guns, when what they're actually firing is meant to be like miniaturised rocket pods.
The cryotubes thing was, famously, Fincher simply having a preference for the Narcissus aesthetic and putting it in there for that reason. Because of continuity, however, it's right up there with the teleporting eggs for being grounds to retcon it all as a dream, if a future story ever does that.
Quote from: Xenomorphine on May 12, 2022, 04:41:33 PMThey'd be like miniature grenades and, going by the effect of how the Aliens explode, they seem fused to explode after entering targets.
I'd have to re-check the USCM Tech Manual but I think they're described as doing exactly that.
Simple explanation: The M41A pulse rifle usually fires 10mm explosive-tip caseless light armor piercing rounds... however the company 'dog handlers' weren't there to kill anything, they were there to retrieve a specimen... better to have the weapon loaded with ammunition that would give 'an incentive' rather than leave a xeno in a spicy pool of hissing blood burning through the floor... both 85 and Morse's leg showed no evidence of being hit by explosive tip rounds :-)
i know kinda retro posting now but just wanted to say that i hate it so much when sounds change from movie to movie or episode to episode of guns engines even the sound doors make. like in airwolf when in the 3rd series the sound of the helicopter completely changed. didnt eat for 2
days. dont know if op feels that strongly about the issue but just wanted to say it sometime does for me. the pulserifle sound is so central to the movie for me that If they ever did change it it would really upset me. btw was there any pulserifles anywhere else in the franchise ie games where you could hear the sound again? if there is does itbsound differently than in aliens?
So what? Different Ammo? Or weapon Variant?
Quote from: Inverse Effect on May 19, 2023, 01:37:34 AMSo what? Different Ammo? Or weapon Variant?
Why not both?
I can agree to this.