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Over the years we’ve seen a good deal of concept art from Neill Blomkamp’s aborted Alien 5 (codenamed Red Harvest), including some particularly memorable pieces from Geoffroy Thoorens. In the years since other artists have been sharing their own work on the project but the complete picture of what Alien 5 would have been remains shrouded in mystery. However, with each new image we get a look at the bigger picture.

Concept artist Geoffroy Thoorens has recently re-uploaded some work he did for Alien 5 to his ArtStation, which led me to discover some work he apparently uploaded 6 years ago that I haven’t seen shared around the fandom before!

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Update 02/06/21 – I’ve added another new piece from Geoffroy that comes via his website. Thanks to Skhellter for noticing this one.

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You can take the flooded station out of Resurrection but you can't take Resurrection out of the flooded station.

"I don't remember all this shit being on the walls when I jumped in the pool...?"

It took me way too long to realise Mr Clean was murdering a dude and not putting a suit on.

I was thinking more of when Newt was in the water, Ripley and Hicks had to cut through the great, but a xenomorph warriors got to her first, only other instance of Aliens swimming were again in Resurrection but also in the pool in Aliens vs Predator Requiem. You'd thinking that an Aliens soft reboot would be the thing 20th century studios/Disney would be clamoring for the franchise. The studio wouldn't likely let Neill Blomkamp do Alien Awakening a risky, filmmaker driven project with creative control, they'd want something tame, safe, familiar, formulaic, nostalgic, cookie cutter rehash. Honestly despite mixed results I'd like more from Alien whether it be Ridley Scott's final Prequel film, or Alien 5, doesn't seem likely though.

Quote from: SiL on Jun 01, 2021, 06:53:22 AM
It took me way too long to realise Mr Clean was murdering a dude and not putting a suit on.

Oh God, I didn't realize that 'til you said it. :D

Quote from: XENOMORPHOSIS on Jun 01, 2021, 07:55:58 AM
they'd want something tame, safe, familiar, formulaic, nostalgic, cookie cutter rehash

They already got Covenant.  ;)

Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Jun 01, 2021, 09:03:22 AM

Quote from: SiL on Jun 01, 2021, 06:53:22 AM
It took me way too long to realise Mr Clean was murdering a dude and not putting a suit on.

Oh God, I didn't realize that 'til you said it. :D

Me either!

Same 🤣

I feel much better :laugh:

I'm feeling a lot of Elysium probably even intended for Sharlto Copley to play a Weyland Yutani mercenary.

Sharlto Copley as a Weyland merc ? Sign me in !

(https://i.gifer.com/H7kQ.gif)

I'm conflicted because I loved Kruger, but Neill Blomkamp's films don't do much for me beyond the aesthetics, and even then it's not usually that unique but I do really like the South African bent he gives everything.

I wish they hurry up and relase the script and all of the concept art to the public or make the moive

f**k. I'll be forever bummed that this didn't get made. 😒😒😒

I actually quite like District 9 and Chappie. Elysium has ideas and designs that I like (plus Kruger!) but it is mostly a mess.

I just don't like his particular ideas for "Alien 5" that we've seen; as far as franchises go, his canceled Robocop sequel seemed like a much better fit for him than this would have been.

Why are these works were released years later after the official cancellation of the film?

It seems that we still do not know much about the project. This film deserve to get its own "Unmaking of Alien V" book.

(https://www.djahalland.com/img/file/b0d38a013acfa6e1836439b2aa0156f5.jpg)
(https://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/NqgAAOSw5PFZg4x9/s-l400.jpg)

:D

Hmm. It all just leaves me in a state of indifference.

Aghh man - I still would love to have seen how this played out! These images look insanely good! I had high hopes for this....and still do!

I'm honestly very glad that we got Alien: Covenant instead of this, and each round of art we see for this reinforces that. I like Blomkamp but Gothic horror Alien filtered through David's arc just appeals to me a whole lot more than Kenner Aliens designs essentially emulating the core concepts from Alien: Resurrection.

Yeah Blomkamp said that he hates writing, which kinda shows. That's what I would've been more afraid of for Alien 5 more than the visual aspect, to be fully honest.

 Alien: Resurrection but cleaner is what the art appears to me. but again, its still popcorn.

Well, that queen suit is quite uh.. interesting. Probably for the best this got cancelled lol.

Looks like the Aliens showdown all over again meh. Bigger scale different suit.

Part of me still would very much like to see this tho, modern effects and all.  ::)

I know it's not a popular thought, but thanks to Scott we got Covenant instead.

Quote from: BigDaddyJohn on Jun 01, 2021, 03:23:43 PM
Yeah Blomkamp said that he hates writing, which kinda shows. That's what I would've been more afraid of for Alien 5 more than the visual aspect, to be fully honest.

I actually seem recall Blomkamp saying the opposite – that he loves writing/design pre-production work and he loves editing/post-production, but is less fond of directing/production because that's the part where he feels the least creative and more adhered to schedule/structure. Can't find the article/interview where he says this, though...

The Alien suit is the only think that really makes me cringe, and it's part of the design process, which doesn't necessarily mean that it would have ended up in the movie. But yeah, it's an awful concept.  :laugh:

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Quote from: kwisatz on Jun 01, 2021, 03:42:33 PM
Looks like the Aliens showdown all over again meh. Bigger scale different suit.

Do you remember Cameron's Power Loader? is back! in xeno form.  :laugh:

#AjaxIsCanon

That's taking Kenner's fanaticism to the next level.  :laugh:

At the climax of the battle (Ripley is on the brink of death) Elizabeth Shaw appears in a Newborn suit.

Quote from: kwisatz on Jun 01, 2021, 03:57:00 PM
At the climax of the battle (Ripley is on the brink of death) Elizabeth Shaw appears in a Newborn suit.

Is Daniels in a Neomorph suit, then?

This is shark-jumping stuff

Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Jun 01, 2021, 04:07:22 PM

Quote from: kwisatz on Jun 01, 2021, 03:57:00 PM
At the climax of the battle (Ripley is on the brink of death) Elizabeth Shaw appears in a Newborn suit.

Is Daniels in a Neomorph suit, then?

Everyone gets an Alien suit. David turns up in an Elizabeth Shaw suit though.

And the Engineer is in a Space Jockey sui–wait a minute!

But then

Spoiler

Letoworm hurts them all really, really bad

[close]

(https://beastrabban.files.wordpress.com/2015/07/giger-dune-sandworm.jpg)

Now there's a movie I would like to see.

Unfortunately..

I actually don't really care for Giger's sandworms as Dune sandworms (though I love them as creatures/designs in their own right). His Harkonnen aesthetic is damn perfect, though.

Agreed. Funny thing is though teeth-wise I actually can't think of another concept piece that comes that close to the worm design presented in the new film.

You like that one btw? I didn't love it at first sight, but it's been growing on me since I think..


Ugh, we should really, really continue this in the Dune thread.

Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Jun 01, 2021, 04:16:57 PM
And the Engineer is in a Space Jockey sui–wait a minute!

Maybe the queen suit it's an Engineer power loader, or Or! the Ajax space marine is the Space Jockey!  :o

(https://s3.gifyu.com/images/5bq2tl.gif)

Looks like we were gonna get Ripley teaming up with Lex Luthor

The whole Alien suit thing - ehhhhh, no thanks   :-

Well blomkamp I would dare to say is a one hit director, ever since district 9 he has tried to replicate that success, chappie felt like same ideas: make it documentary style and a movie with a message of life is holy even as AI and is wront to terminate it and then have action scene at the end.
Robocop movie felt like a good test to see if he could deliver and be a director that would be able to handle a movie like alien v but as its cancelled and he havent done anything since chappie I would say he isnt the guy for the job.

Also his movie so far seems like a fan movie of aliens v2 with more of that and kenner toys tribute and alien suits and ripley back with hicks and newt and controling xenos with the helmets on their heads and very strange movie and making the xenos silly to me. And this last picture of a human in a queen like suit but much smaller, sneaking onto a queen and xenos ignoring a human for some reason like the kenner toys just feels weird and wouldnt be a good aliens movie.

Covenant was to me a better movie although it did piss off more fans around me than prometheus did, but I take that any day than a new aliens v2 movie that is safe and please those fans but I fear those are way more than us who want unique horror movies xD

Thanks god that never happened, this is really disappointing.

Wicked!  This movie needs to happen!

Haha funny joke

I'm not diggin' it.

Just make it into a graphic novel then....

They could make it happen! Just think for example about 'Final Fantasy: The Spirits Within' and 'Starship Troopers: Traitor of Mars' - or something along the lines of anime aesthetics...

Is that Latest image Ripley in Xenomorph armor with a queen's crest looking upon an alien queen.

I'm glad this wasn't made. It looks like a typical Blomkamp movie to me loaded with action, mechanoids and futuristic big guns. All this is fine and I like Blomkamps work but it doesn't fit the Alien franchise for me. Keep it horror, keep it mysterious, keep it finely balanced with horror, atmosphere and some action.

Quote from: Protomorph on Jun 02, 2021, 09:06:05 AM
Keep it horror, keep it mysterious, keep it finely balanced with horror

You mean like Covenant ? If that's horror then we're in trouble.

I'd rather have that again easily, over this dumb ass, Kenner shit. That I didn't think could get any more awful from Ripley wearing that Big Chap suit, but the Queen suit totally takes the cake.

Why does Ripley look so miserable in that pool ?

Because she already did that scene in '97.

Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Jun 01, 2021, 12:24:02 PM
I actually quite like District 9 and Chappie. Elysium has ideas and designs that I like (plus Kruger!) but it is mostly a mess.

I actually really liked Chappie myself (aside from Wolverine's mullet...). But I've struggled with his Alien 5. From what I know of it that isn't in the public, I don't think I'd have been too thrilled with it.

That said, the same as I'd be quite happy to see Eric Red's script translated to comic or novel, I'd still like to see this make it to some other media so we can see what it would have been like.

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Also, looks like the film's synthetic was called Jax.

Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Jun 02, 2021, 01:55:36 PM
Also, looks like the film's synthetic was called Jax.

"Jax" in the image's names feels like a reference to Hugh Jackman... who the android kind of resembles. Maybe he was being eyed to play the character.

"Killson" is the other name being used in these android images and that's probably the actual character name.

I don't really get the negativity for the Alien 5 project. I wasn't thrilled that it would feature Ripley, but might as well. Even if Ripley herself is not in it, every Alien production has a character cut from Ripley cloth. So, fine! Let there be Ripley. And we can have Michael Biehn as Hicks, too. Again, might as well.

Even the worst Alien movie is worth a watch when it shows up on TV or whatever. And as others suggested, it could work well as an animated movie. You can get away with a lot more in an animated movie. The change of medium might be liberating.

As for what our Hicks knows about not-publicly-seen materials... Eh! I don't know what that is, so I've no idea what I'm missing. But I do know that stuff changes from pre-production to final product. What we got might not have been great, but it should have been fun. Hopefully, it wasn't a stinker like The Predator. But even that had its moments.

Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Jun 02, 2021, 01:47:34 PM
Because she already did that scene in '97.

This made me start laughing at my job when I read it, thank you xD

Give us that damn info lol!

*Neill Blomkamp

Quote from: Trash Queen on Jun 02, 2021, 09:45:00 PM
*Neill Blomkamp

Thanks. Corrected. Though it might take a bit for the links to update.

People always forget that other letter.

Last image is an "Alien Killer" suit ;D

QuoteI don't really get the negativity for the Alien 5 project.

The general reception was overwhelmingly positive.  In spite of reservations many had about Blomkamps track record.

Quote from: XENOMORPHOSIS on Jun 02, 2021, 06:41:10 AM
Is that Latest image Ripley in Xenomorph armor with a queen's crest looking upon an alien queen.

Yep...got a straight up Kenner ATAX vibe right there.

Quote from: SM on Jun 02, 2021, 10:38:33 PM

QuoteI don't really get the negativity for the Alien 5 project.

The general reception was overwhelmingly positive.  In spite of reservations many had about Blomkamps track record.

The kind of audience that doesn't come to these forums, yes.

I enjoyed all Blomkamp's movies and was looking forward to Alien 5 and RoboCop Returns. But I don't know how to feel about that "Alien Killer" suit. Perhaps it was a good thing this movie got scrapped?

I think that's what we're looking at, and I have to say... that's kind of dumb.  And I've been a big supporter of this film getting done.  Now I'm not so sure.  I mean this takes the earlier images of Ripley in an alien suit to another level of dumb.

Blomkamp's big idea was Kenner Aliens: The Movie?

We dodged a bullet there.

Sweet

A bit late showing the art work if Scott dunk A5.
Still nice work but I don't think Disney will do another film after the prequels unfortunately.

I'm sure they'll do another film eventually. Of course, they're probably focusing on the TV show right now. But I can't imagine they're not planning on doing another film down the line, especially when they're already doing a new Predator.

Question is, what kind of film? The idea of an Alien 5 seems to be off the cards, for some reason.

I wouldn't be shocked if the box office performance of Terminator: Dark Fate is one of those reasons.

Yep, that probably didn't help either.

It's been 4 years since Covenant released, without any concrete news.. They're probably having a hard time figuring out what to to on the film side.

And we're just about to hit the six month mark since the show was announced, without so much of a word since then. :D

They're working on it.  ;)

They're working on it not too far in the future here on Earth. ;)

It's a tricky question indeed!  :laugh:

...Alien 5 is heading to a not-so-popular part of the continuity, probably after Resurrection.

...The Covenant sequel is heading toward a not-so-popular but interesting part of the continuity.

Note ~ Although the fact that they are using elements from the prequels in the new EU seems to suggest that not everything is lost in this territory. The question is whether a final prequel from Ridley Scott is still possible.

...A movie that is directly connected to the next TV series sounds likely. Although we are still not clear in which part of the continuity takes place.

Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Jun 03, 2021, 04:28:23 PM
They're working on it.  ;)

About that.. Any idea if Scott is still in talks to executive produce?  :P

Quote from: Immortan Jonesy on Jun 03, 2021, 04:34:13 PM
Note ~ Although the fact that they are using elements from the prequels in the new EU seems to suggest that not everything is lost in this territory. The question is whether a final prequel from Ridley Scott is still possible.

Yeah, prequel elements are everywhere at this point. They've basically become totally woven into the fabric of the identity of the Alien brand, and I am very much for that. The novels, the upcoming video game, and even that dream sequence in issue #1 of the current Marvel comic run – hopefully Hawley's series doesn't shy away, especially with Scott involved (?).

Quote from: Evanus on Jun 03, 2021, 04:36:37 PM

Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Jun 03, 2021, 04:28:23 PM
They're working on it.  ;)

About that.. Any idea if Scott is still in talks to executive produce?  :P

Took the words right out of my mouth. :D

How many times have I seen these same conceptbro military team (add heavy with big ammo) in other media?

Helmets overtly suggesting mimicking alien faces and fur in space are leaning a bit too much into CA tropes and I don't think it has place in Alien universe.

However, a fully absurd Kenner Alien based, I would be a big fan of.

At this rate Ridley's gonna spend more time being in talks than actually working on it  :laugh:

My money is ona  rebot witha  new ripley and fanservice aproach, remaking alien/s in one movie and ignore the old ones.

I was sad to learn this was not part of the official concept art
(https://cdna.artstation.com/p/assets/images/images/000/535/156/large/marek-okon-under-control-1920.jpg?1443927823)
Artists Page (http://"https://okonart.com/projects/qQvKD")

Quote from: Evanus on Jun 03, 2021, 05:03:05 PM
At this rate Ridley's gonna spend more time being in talks than actually working on it  :laugh:

But maybe during that time he'll do something cool like look at his electric razor and sketch it as a spaceship. ;)

Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Jun 03, 2021, 08:09:19 PM

Quote from: Evanus on Jun 03, 2021, 05:03:05 PM
At this rate Ridley's gonna spend more time being in talks than actually working on it  :laugh:

But maybe during that time he'll do something cool like look at his electric razor and sketch it as a spaceship. ;)

(https://conversationsabouther.net/wp-content/uploads/2018/10/ridleyscott-460x300.jpg)
:laugh:

Some badass David's shenanigans in Ridley's sketches please. Hopefully his take on the Space Jockey set piece before Alien.  8)

Quote from: Beef Dogg on Jun 03, 2021, 07:49:44 PM
I was sad to learn this was not part of the official concept art
(https://cdna.artstation.com/p/assets/images/images/000/535/156/large/marek-okon-under-control-1920.jpg?1443927823)
Artists Page (http://"https://okonart.com/projects/qQvKD")

Wow!  :o some VR glasses vibes there babe!  :laugh: They should make an animated 3D model to see how it works. ;D

So hate that idea of controling xenos with vr helmet....

I dunno... Nowadays I tend to be more interested by daring risky over the top and possibly stupid ideas, more than towards safe and somewhat bland ones.

https://www.artstation.com/artwork/18OkG

More concept art by Thoorens here.

(https://djahalland.com/img/file/9e14f182f3a9bb3aa4ca5237c4d20202.jpg)
(https://djahalland.com/img/file/0fd3d1433c705b1111b808e9614bdd1e.jpg)
(https://djahalland.com/img/file/7ea60707b07a1dec36e3f19a51c578a8.jpg)
(https://djahalland.com/img/file/342f12f5348cb7343586db4a1d52c2c4.jpg)

Quote from: Evanus on Jun 03, 2021, 04:36:37 PM

Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Jun 03, 2021, 04:28:23 PM
They're working on it.  ;)

About that.. Any idea if Scott is still in talks to executive produce?  :P

From what we know, no longer talks. But a done deal. Did check in again to be sure.

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Quote from: skhellter on Jun 10, 2021, 06:27:18 AM
https://www.artstation.com/artwork/18OkG

More concept art by Thoorens here.

(https://djahalland.com/img/file/9e14f182f3a9bb3aa4ca5237c4d20202.jpg)
(https://djahalland.com/img/file/0fd3d1433c705b1111b808e9614bdd1e.jpg)
(https://djahalland.com/img/file/7ea60707b07a1dec36e3f19a51c578a8.jpg)
(https://djahalland.com/img/file/342f12f5348cb7343586db4a1d52c2c4.jpg)

He's updating that one page and it's still date labeling it as 6 years ago. Cheeky. Thanks  skhellter. Will post again!

Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Jun 03, 2021, 04:28:23 PM
They're working on it.  ;)

You mean the Covenant sequel?!  :o

Quote from: BigDaddyJohn on Jun 03, 2021, 09:24:28 PM
I dunno... Nowadays I tend to be more interested by daring risky over the top and possibly stupid ideas, more than towards safe and somewhat bland ones.

Same.
After watching so many movies, one starts to appreciate "weirder or unusual" releases because they don't always stick to the tropes.

and lol he just added another one

might as well just keep refreshing his artstation and the https://djahalland.com/ site every few days.

(https://cdnb.artstation.com/p/assets/images/images/038/550/873/large/geoffroy-thoorens-alien5-building.jpg?1623395110)

And there's more on his insta! The building on fire:

Looks like the setting of this one would have indeed primarily been on/above Earth.

Wonder if any of this design work is going make its way into the series? With Ridley actually on the show now, I hope that he's contributing to the overall aesthetic of the Earth that the show presents us with.

Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Jun 11, 2021, 10:16:56 AM
Wonder if any of this design work is going make its way into the series?

Nope. Designers for Blomkamp don't seem to be working on the show.

Quote from: Baron Von Marlon on Jun 11, 2021, 06:12:03 AM

Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Jun 03, 2021, 04:28:23 PM
They're working on it.  ;)

You mean the Covenant sequel?!  :o

No, the TV show.

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Quote from: skhellter on Jun 11, 2021, 07:26:12 AM
and lol he just added another one

might as well just keep refreshing his artstation and the https://djahalland.com/ site every few days.

:laugh: keep 'em coming Geoffroy!

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The tunnel artwork gave me Bishop in Aliens kind of vibes. Guess we know what was on-fire now too!

This died so the garbage lore-ruining prequels could happen.........sigh

Lore's overrated when the ideas present are as interesting as what Covenant put forward.

I'll take Covenant over this thing any day.

Quote from: skhellter on Jun 11, 2021, 07:26:12 AM
(https://cdnb.artstation.com/p/assets/images/images/038/550/873/large/geoffroy-thoorens-alien5-building.jpg?1623395110)

And there's more on his insta! The building on fire:

https://www.instagram.com/p/CP8fZFvDYA8/

I think that mega-structure must be the space elevator that Blomkamp mentioned.

nahhh thanks leave that dead yeah

Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Jun 10, 2021, 08:01:02 AM

Quote from: Evanus on Jun 03, 2021, 04:36:37 PM

Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Jun 03, 2021, 04:28:23 PM
They're working on it.  ;)

About that.. Any idea if Scott is still in talks to executive produce?  :P

From what we know, no longer talks. But a done deal. Did check in again to be sure.

(https://i.imgur.com/uu9pmDP.gif)

I'm glad he's onboard.  8)

Quote from: The Eighth Passenger on Jun 11, 2021, 04:03:28 PM

Quote from: skhellter on Jun 11, 2021, 07:26:12 AM
(https://cdnb.artstation.com/p/assets/images/images/038/550/873/large/geoffroy-thoorens-alien5-building.jpg?1623395110)

And there's more on his insta! The building on fire:

https://www.instagram.com/p/CP8fZFvDYA8/

I think that mega-structure must be the space elevator that Blomkamp mentioned.

Pretty Syd Mead inspired I'd say.

Yeah, Blomkamp is a huge Mead fan. Hired him to design the orbital space station for Elysium.

Not sure if Mead had any contributions to this film as well, haven't seen any indications.

As much as I'm glad this movie isn't the one they went with, I am very fond of the human tech/architecture aesthetic.

The Alien stuff (and Alien "suits" for humans), much less so.

In short,

Neil Blomkamp's Alien 5 would be one of the best movies in the franchise if it were actually filmed.

Then they ask me why I'm a sad fan...  :( 

For all potential flaws and short comings I'd be interesting to see this take, we'd still have Alien3 just because there's a what if alternative film doesn't invalidate Alien3.

Quote from: Sad fan on Jun 11, 2021, 05:33:14 PM
Neill Blomkamp's Alien 5 would be one of the best movies in the franchise if it were actually filmed.

Why can no one spell his name correctly?

Honestly if the trajectory of Elysium and Chappie's anything to go by we dodged a bullet.

And did you miss humans piloting not only Alien Drone suits but also Alien Queen suits?

It looked like absolute shit mate.

Bringing back Ripley was a bad idea to begin with.

In any iteration yes.

I agree, and I'm relieved the studio seems to think so as well.

Even as someone that by and large likes Blomkamp (Chappie's pretty great, actually!), this wouldn't have been an interesting move for the franchise at all in my opinion.

I'm really into the design of most of the human tech here, like I said, and I really do hope that Blomkamp finds a way to bring some of this concepts to life down the line in a different project, outside of the Alien universe.

I'm going to keep following his career with interest for sure, I'm just glad that his career and Alien didn't end up actually intersecting.

So instead of alien 5. We get David created the xeno...yeah guys really dodge a bullet....

Quote from: Whatwhat!! on Jun 12, 2021, 04:39:56 AM
So instead of alien 5. We get David created the xeno...yeah guys really dodge a bullet....

Hahaha exactly

Yeah we did actually, I'll take Covenant anyday, over this f**king trash.

drama  :laugh:

The fate of Ripley should be left to the hands of its main author - Weaver.
If she wanted to change her fate.. fine. If she doesn't want to... also fine.

I'm glad we're not getting some of the sillier ideas of this film in live action form
but i wouldn't oppose making this as an animated feature.
Maybe a cg, hand-drawn hybrid made to look like a Dark Horse comic...
which is kind of what the story in this feels like from what little we know.
(just don't give it to some cheap korean studio..)

I am okay with Sigourney Weaver wanting to change the fate of Ripley or, offer yet another alternative, but the more I see of this the more I'm glad it never came to fruition as seen here.

Quote from: Trash Queen on Jun 12, 2021, 11:24:15 AM
I am okay with Sigourney Weaver wanting to change the fate of Ripley or, offer yet another alternative, but the more I see of this the more I'm glad it never came to fruition as seen here.

My thoughts exactly!

the more i think about it.

Doing this as an animated feature would be the ideal way to go.

It would stand apart from anything else in the series and it wouldn't have to fit neatly into the main continuity: It could ignore David as the creator, it could ignore the plans for the tv show and further movies... They could do whatever.

The cartoonish Queen-Suit ideas would also be easier to buy in animated form.  :laugh:

Do it with a Love+Death+Robots animation team...

Give it a Hulu release.

This movie would've probably been thousand times better than that piece of shit TV show or whatever Disney is gonna do with the franchise next, I have no doubt about that.

Quote from: TomT on Jun 12, 2021, 02:12:15 PM
This movie would've probably been thousand times better than that piece of shit TV show or whatever Disney is gonna do with the franchise next, I have no doubt about that.

Noah Hawley doesn't instill any confidence?

Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Jun 12, 2021, 02:15:20 PM

Quote from: TomT on Jun 12, 2021, 02:12:15 PM
This movie would've probably been thousand times better than that piece of shit TV show or whatever Disney is gonna do with the franchise next, I have no doubt about that.

Noah Hawley doesn't instill any confidence?

No. He just made a terrible film with Natalie Portman and if the concept (Earth setting, not distant future) still stands, then it means he doesn't care about this franchise because it's not just against canon of even the first film, but it's also against the point of the franchise (if xenomorph reaches Earth, it's over. All Alien films (excluding AvPs) were about preventing it from happening) This TV show sounds very much like AvP: Requiem. And I think Alien is not gonna work as TV show because of how movies are structured and because it requires a big budget they probably won't have.

Quote from: TomT on Jun 12, 2021, 02:45:41 PM

Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Jun 12, 2021, 02:15:20 PM

Quote from: TomT on Jun 12, 2021, 02:12:15 PM
This movie would've probably been thousand times better than that piece of shit TV show or whatever Disney is gonna do with the franchise next, I have no doubt about that.

Noah Hawley doesn't instill any confidence?

No. He just made a terrible film with Natalie Portman and if the concept (Earth setting, not distant future) still stands, then it means he doesn't care about this franchise because it's not just against canon of even the first film, but it's also against the point of the franchise (if xenomorph reaches Earth, it's over. All Alien films (excluding AvPs) were about preventing it from happening) This TV show sounds very much like AvP: Requiem. And I think Alien is not gonna work as TV show because of how movies are structured and because it requires a big budget they probably won't have.

...but this would have had an earth setting also right?  :D

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Quote from: TomT on Jun 12, 2021, 02:12:15 PM
This movie would've probably been thousand times better than that piece of shit TV show or whatever Disney is gonna do with the franchise next, I have no doubt about that.

Noah Hawley doesn't instill any confidence?

No. He just made a terrible film with Natalie Portman and if the concept (Earth setting, not distant future) still stands, then it means he doesn't care about this franchise because it's not just against canon of even the first film, but it's also against the point of the franchise (if xenomorph reaches Earth, it's over. All Alien films (excluding AvPs) were about preventing it from happening) This TV show sounds very much like AvP: Requiem. And I think Alien is not gonna work as TV show because of how movies are structured and because it requires a big budget they probably won't have.

...but this would have had an earth setting also right?  :D

We don't know, we still know very little about this project plot-wise. But Sigourney was also against Earth setting back then and most of the concept art takes place on some space station. The movie could have a segment on Earth, but without xeno reaching Earth and Earth plot which is fine.

Didn't Hicks kinda confirm the series is set after the original films?

Quote from: Evanus on Jun 12, 2021, 03:52:05 PM
Didn't Hicks kinda confirm the series is set after the original films?

I don't think he said that; just that "near future" might not mean quite as close to contemporary as some of us (myself included) are fearing.

How can you call trash something you have never seen?

You have no real reason to hate "concepts". You are so biased against alien 5 that would accept and love covenant... a film that is below avp... man wow .....

A lot of the art looks good, I just can't wrap my head around the alien suits. I'd at least like to know what the context for them is in the actual story.

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Quote from: Evanus on Jun 12, 2021, 03:52:05 PM
Didn't Hicks kinda confirm the series is set after the original films?

I don't think he said that; just that "near future" might not mean quite as close to contemporary as some of us (myself included) are fearing.

Ah, gotcha. I still hope it's set after the original at least.

Quote from: KiramidHead on Jun 12, 2021, 04:13:55 PM
A lot of the art looks good, I just can't wrap my head around the alien suits. I'd at least like to know what the context for them is in the actual story.

Perfect quest for the screenplay archaeology department. ;D

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Quote from: KiramidHead on Jun 12, 2021, 04:13:55 PM
A lot of the art looks good, I just can't wrap my head around the alien suits. I'd at least like to know what the context for them is in the actual story.

Perfect quest for the screenplay archaeology department. ;D

I've looked, believe me. :laugh:

We will never know, would be Blomkamp's Alien 5 better or worse than Alien 3. The fact.

There are many good moments here and a few dubious. It is interesting to discuss. The only people who behave toxic and are trying to prevent any conversations, those who want to have one continuity for unknown reasons.

So nobody?

We already have multiple official continuities.

Quote from: Drukathi on Jun 12, 2021, 08:02:25 PMthose who want to have one continuity for unknown reasons.

They're not unknown, you're just ignoring them.

Quote from: TomT on Jun 12, 2021, 02:53:15 PM
We don't know, we still know very little about this project plot-wise. But Sigourney was also against Earth setting back then and most of the concept art takes place on some space station. The movie could have a segment on Earth, but without xeno reaching Earth and Earth plot which is fine.

The film was set on a space ladder on Earth.

Also how can you complain about what the TV may or may not do about continuity then praise a concept that literally rewrites several movies?

Easily with one application of hypocrisy.

I'm very critical of Ridley's recent work and latest Alien installations, but I think we should give this a chance, not kill it before we see it.

Quote from: BigDaddyJohn on Jun 12, 2021, 10:42:04 PM
I'm very critical of Ridley's recent work and latest Alien installations, but I think we should give this a chance, not kill it before we see it.

Hear, hear!

When was the last time we saw a setting with a space elevator, a Weyland installation with a derelict, Ripley in an Alien outfit and maybe even Sharlto Copley playing a mercenary in an Alien movie? Apart from the xeno suits, it's not so bad. Each installment has a different vision of the Alien world anyway.  ;D

The vision of the world (sans Alien suits) is the stuff that genuinely interests me here, but like Elysium, where I was very into the world and the design but didn't care at all for the narrative, the main draw here of Ripley, Hicks, and Newt stopping WY experiments on Earth seems to just be uninspired and reductive. Bringing back Ripley - unless it is for something super weird with Ripley 8, I guess - just doesn't interest me all that much these days. And the Earth setting (both here, and in the upcoming Hawley show as well to be honest) gives me reservations. The actual design of the WY facility, space elevator, etc., however? Please, keep posting more art Geoffroy Thoorens, because I'm super into this stuff stylistically, even though I likely wouldn't have cared for the narrative accompanying it.

I liked the concept arts of the human environment as well. I think with a good scriptwriter something good could come out of that. Just forget about Ripley, Hicks, Newt and the xeno suits that trigger it in me a cringed feeling.

Edit l ~ I'm going to see Chappie one of these days.

Edit ll ~ I still want more from Scott, but I know it's a small camp.  :laugh:

Quote from: Immortan Jonesy on Jun 13, 2021, 03:30:55 AM
I liked the concept arts of the human environment as well. I think that with a good scriptwriter something good could come out of that. Just forget about Ripley, Hicks, Newt and the xeno suits that trigger it in me a cringed feeling.

Edit l ~ I'm going to see Chappie one of these days.

Edit ll ~ I still want more from Scott, but I know it's a small camp.  :laugh:

Yeah, the Alien suits (plus the hybrids we saw in some concept art a year or two ago) push this thing firmly into Kenner/video game territory to me, unfortunately. As for Ripley/Hicks/Newt – I'm pretty sure Blomkamp was actually originally developing this as a standalone entry with new characters, but it shifted into a Ripley story after Blomkamp and Sigourney hit it off so well on Chappie. Maybe if it stayed Ripley-free it might have actually moved forward. Who knows?

As for Chappie, I personally really like it, but I feel like I would have a very hard time recommending it, as most people seem to completely detest it. It's up there with District 9 for me though. Maybe even above D9, to be honest. Though I haven't seen it in quite a few years.

As for Scott... you know I'm right there alongside you on that one. :D

more new stuff..



(attached the pics because insta seems broken atm)

f**k that suit is ridiculous.

i wonder what the nerdy "justification" was.
Was WY trying to interact with the derelict tech and they needed a biomechanical suit to really integrate with it...

It was probably just.. er...
"we think biomech-suit is cool/Militarization of the aliens/RANDOMBULLSHITGO!"

..looks like a halloween costume  :laugh:

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Quote from: skhellter on Jun 13, 2021, 05:10:08 AM
i wonder what the nerdy "justification" was.
Was WY trying to interact with the derelict tech and they needed a biomechanical suit to really integrate with it...

It was probably just.. er...
"we think biomech-suit is cool/Militarization of the aliens/RANDOMBULLSHITGO!"

..in one of the first concept arts they to suggest a "connection" to the Space Jockey.  :laugh:

(https://i.ibb.co/TrzWgfZ/aliena-1038x576-900-x-600-768x512.jpg)

Quote from: SiL on Jun 12, 2021, 09:10:28 PM
The film was set on a space ladder on Earth.

Space ladder is pretty much space station in this case.

Quote from: SiL on Jun 12, 2021, 09:10:28 PM
Also how can you complain about what the TV may or may not do about continuity then praise a concept that literally rewrites several movies?

One has nothing to do with the other. I want to see a sequel to Cameron's film, it means it would be set in the continuity of the first two films. This TV show will most likely ignore all films.

Quote from: Immortan Jonesy on Jun 13, 2021, 03:30:55 AM
I still want more from Scott, but I know it's a small camp.  :laugh:

Is it that small really ? And it's a very influent one also.

Quote from: TomT on Jun 13, 2021, 09:12:57 AM
One has nothing to do with the other. I want to see a sequel to Cameron's film, it means it would be set in the continuity of the first two films. This TV show will most likely ignore all films.

Right, so hypocrisy. Ignoring continuity is a problem when it doesn't meet an arbitrary standard.

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Quote from: TomT on Jun 13, 2021, 09:12:57 AM
One has nothing to do with the other. I want to see a sequel to Cameron's film, it means it would be set in the continuity of the first two films. This TV show will most likely ignore all films.

Right, so hypocrisy. Ignoring continuity is a problem when it doesn't meet an arbitrary standard.

Not in this case, the difference is obvious. It's ignoring ALL the films in the franchise against ignoring just 2 films with mixed/negative reception, but set it in the continuity of the first 2 films with great reception.

The difference is ignoring films you like vs films you don't seem to care for, yes.

Which, of course, isn't even necessarily the case -- we know nothing of what the series is doing.

Quote from: Immortan Jonesy on Jun 13, 2021, 02:34:13 AM
When was the last time we saw a setting with a space elevator, a Weyland installation with a derelict, Ripley in an Alien outfit and maybe even Sharlto Copley playing a mercenary in an Alien movie? Apart from the xeno suits, it's not so bad. Each installment has a different vision of the Alien world anyway.  ;D

I agree with this, replace the alien suit with the controlled drones that really give off AVP: Three world war vibe for me, and that was a f**king great story.

Quote from: skhellter on Jun 13, 2021, 05:10:08 AM
i wonder what the nerdy "justification" was.
Was WY trying to interact with the derelict tech and they needed a biomechanical suit to really integrate with it...

It was probably just.. er...
"we think biomech-suit is cool/Militarization of the aliens/RANDOMBULLSHITGO!"

Definitely leaning towards the latter, since it seems to be engaged in combat in the pics. It's so silly. :D

Something to interface with the Derelict tech is actually a very interesting idea conceptually... but a straight up set of Kenner Alien armor is not the aesthetic to roll with there.

Three World War killed AVP for years.

Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Jun 13, 2021, 11:27:34 AM
Definitely leaning towards the latter, since it seems to be engaged in combat in the pics. It's so silly. :D

Something to interface with the Derelict tech is actually a very interesting idea conceptually... but a straight up set of Kenner Alien armor is not the aesthetic to roll with there.

To get away with the "WY uses alien material for a biomech suit to interface with the Space Jockey ships":

- suits couldn't look like halloween costumes or Kenner shit.  :laugh:
- There's no way a human would "fit" neatly into one without deep surgery. Once you're in that suit, that is a part of you. (like the original idea of the Space Jockey itself).
- Gotta think through these designs with a "Horror First" mentality: What would be gruesome? What would show how deep WY is willing to go to get ancient knowledge?
-  Avoid easy "fanservice" of any sort. (Having Ripley don the QUEEN-Suit to Fight the Queen herself is deeply silly. Should be.. let's say.. a victim who knows there's no going back to normal human life and decides to do a suicidal last stand.)
- The suits should actually "work" and be able to run Space Jockey tech. WY can't be portrayed as mere "insane villains just doing random experiments" all the time. [this concept isn't coherent with what Covenant showed us, of course.. but this film already isn't compatible with Alien 3 so..]


These would be steps in the right direction... and i'm pretty sure none of this is what was being considered for this film.  :laugh:

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and oh yeah...
Covenant shows Shaw using the pilot chair without any suit..
so why is the Engineer Pilot suit necessary? At all? :laugh: RIDLEYYYYYYYYY  :laugh:

Quote from: SiL on Jun 13, 2021, 10:50:48 AM
The difference is ignoring films you like vs films you don't seem to care for, yes.

Again, ignoring all films means igoring both films I like and films I don't like (even though I like Alien 3 and Ressurection), so not sure what's so hard to understand here.

Quote from: skhellter on Jun 13, 2021, 11:45:07 AM
and oh yeah...
Covenant shows Shaw using the pilot chair without any suit..
so why is the Engineer Pilot suit necessary? At all? :laugh: RIDLEYYYYYYYYY  :laugh:

But if one wants bio(-mechanical?) interface with the tech itself as they become one with the chair? :D

(https://i.pinimg.com/originals/1d/16/15/1d16152454e432634f4f3f5219ae4a40.gif)

Egg buttons are appropriate as well, of course.

Because engineer biomechanical suit is sooo much more interesting than the mysterious creature we had in Alien right ? Thanks Ridley !

Nah. Alien's Space Jockey is more interesting than Prometheus' Engineers.

Engineers got killed off in service of an excellent David story in Covenant, though, and that was very cool.

David killed all the engineers so we could get a shitty mma fight.  :laugh:

We got  David's Drawings, The Cold Forge and
Into Charybdis from it, so definitely more than worth it.

"Don't let the bed bugs bite."

Hammer Horror David and his "Dire Necropolis" is genuinely the best thing to come out of Alien since Alien 3's Assembly Cut. 8)

Quote from: Trash Queen on Jun 13, 2021, 11:39:46 AM
Three World War killed AVP for years.

for you maybe.  :-*

I mean that's not an opinion, it did for years, it basically completely disappeared and for good reason.

If that's supposed to be WY headquarters, then the artist nailed it.  Totally captured the vibe of what this should be.  Absolutely majestic!

It reminds me of the Sentinel ships from Days of Future Past.

Yeah it does I thought it reminiscent of something familiar.

Quote from: Trash Queen on Jun 13, 2021, 05:58:55 PM
I mean that's not an opinion, it did for years, it basically completely disappeared and for good reason.

Does that effect my opinion? Not really

Never claimed that might be possible, or intended,  though frankly it is also shit.

Quote from: Trash Queen on Jun 13, 2021, 08:15:05 PM
Never claimed that might be possible, or intended,  though frankly it is also shit.

In your opinion.

I do not put a qualifier on the end of every post. But sure.

He has posted more

https://www.instagram.com/djahal/?utm_source=ig_embed&ig_mid=1A3D28DF-BBA1-4497-B823-EDB4CE86C9C4

one more for the road

Quote from: skhellter on Jun 13, 2021, 10:49:32 PM
https://www.instagram.com/p/CQEaRZxDGW-/

one more for the road

More Resurrection vibes.

guys don't be like this asshole:

(https://i.gyazo.com/f5f92f92caaf43f8322e82f317c7b1f4.jpg)

dude's just sharing his work.

What either scenario Blomkamp's Alien Awakening or Ridley Scott's last Prequel leading into Alien both have detractor's and those who'd give either movie a shot, Maybe they'll make them maybe they won't if either or made we have the choice to watch em or not. Much like doing a sequel to Alien Resurrection, given that movie reputation its unlikely to ever happen but there's never a 0% it won't.

Quote from: Trash Queen on Jun 13, 2021, 08:22:54 PM
I do not put a qualifier on the end of every post. But sure.

;)

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Quote from: Immortan Jonesy on Jun 13, 2021, 03:30:55 AM
Edit ll ~ I still want more from Scott, but I know it's a small camp.  :laugh:

Not so small...   ;)

Ditto....  8)

.... David created the xeno , having Ripley newt and hicks back is no were near as offensive. It's like the fan base is ok with garbage as long as it comes from Scott.

There are plenty of blade runner movies and many other science fiction movies to shoe horn in crap into .

Nah. I'm not "fine" with Prometheus. I give the movie credit where credit is due – it has some very interesting concepts/ideas and it looks gorgeous – but otherwise, the movie is an absolute mess and easily the worst of the six Alien movies. So I definitely don't automatically give Ridley a free pass on everything he touches.

I love Covenant because I love Covenant, through and through.

I somehow managed to remain blissfully unaware of this "alien suit" concept until now, and yikes!  :-[

Between that and the "predator killer" we could have a double-whammy of utterly cringe-worthy additions to the franchise(s).

(I say this as someone who adored the old Kenner ATAX figure back when I was 10 years old)

Was the Exoskeletal Form an Armoured suit or the result of a mutation? Its probably an Armoured suit. Sigourney described this as having a fitting end for Ripley, could either be her defeating the company Weyland Yutani living to see the victory, something to the effect she dies through a sacrifice and Newt takes over as protagonist. Many would argue Alien3 gave her a satisfyingly conclusion despite its mixed reputation amoung fans. Either the movie will happen or it won't we can take it or leave it.

Geoffroy said on insta that it's a biomechanical suit (of course).

@skhellter

Ok, supposedly Blomkamp had to make an alteration to his script at Ridley Scott's request because it was supposedly to close to what he was doing for the Prometheus sequel which became Alien Covenant. What was this supposed element that was too similar? stuff to do with discovering a Derelict ship, the biomeachnicle space suits and functions Engineers have, or alternative mutations related to Aliens, ie. Neomorphs.

Probably anything to do with the Jockey/Engineers.

Careful, AvPGalaxy, 'cause Disney might think you actually want this movie to happen  ;)

Quote from: XENOMORPHOSIS on Jun 14, 2021, 09:54:05 AM
@skhellter

Ok, supposedly Blomkamp had to make an alteration to his script at Ridley Scott's request because it was supposedly to close to what he was doing for the Prometheus sequel which became Alien Covenant. What was this supposed element that was too similar? stuff to do with discovering a Derelict ship, the biomeachnicle space suits and functions Engineers have, or alternative mutations related to Aliens, ie. Neomorphs.

put on your tinfoil hats:

the biggest change in "lore" that was decided between Prometheus and Covenant was Ridley pinning the creation of the aliens on David.

I have a feeling that Blomkamp's film was gonna reveal that LV426 was another waystation for the Engineers (like LV223).
1 - The ship on the Alien 5 concept art is mostly intact unlike the Derelict in the Aliens special edition
2 - The giant "cave" under the original Derelict was definitely an engineer structure.

So Blomkamp's original plan maybe was that WY would explore Acheron more and would inevitably find an entrance to underground facilities, including hangars with other ships containing deadly cargo.

Now, as soon as Ridley decided that David was the creator, Blomkamp couldn't use just any other Derelict ship with alien eggs on board because that was never a "cargo" that the Juggernauts ever had.
No, he'd probably have to reuse... the original Derelict, as damaged as it was post-Hadley's Hope destruction.

And maybe that was the thing that changed.

And maybe that was the thing that killed this movie.
Ridley probably wanted that storytelling real estate
(about the nature of LV426 and the original derelict) all for himself.

(https://i.kym-cdn.com/entries/icons/original/000/022/524/tumblr_o16n2kBlpX1ta3qyvo1_1280.jpg)

There's plenty of (aggressively) negative feedback on the alien suit, and I'm not keen on it myself, but with all the other cool stuff we've seen, let's not get bogged down in one iffy idea.

If you had told me back in 1985 that Ripley would strap herself into a robot suit and fight a giant mother alien, I'd have rolled my eyes at that, too.

It turned out to be one of the best scenes in the series.

We've already seen biomech suits in Prometheus and an alien android in the comics. This concept is not at all out of place in the Alien universe.

The final design and execution of these scenes would've determined a hit or miss, not the initial art.

Overall, I'm confident I would've been happy with what this film had to offer.

Covenant also had some pretty wild/funny bits of concept art.

Quote from: XENOMORPHOSIS on Jun 14, 2021, 09:54:05 AM
@skhellter

And maybe that was the thing that killed this movie.
Ridley probably wanted that storytelling real estate
(about the nature of LV426 and the original derelict) all for himself.

(https://i.kym-cdn.com/entries/icons/original/000/022/524/tumblr_o16n2kBlpX1ta3qyvo1_1280.jpg)

What killed Alien 5 was the law of diminishing returns in Blomkamp's output.

Fox pulled the plug around October 2015. Chappie crashed and burned in March 2015.

Probably a blend of both.

Chappie was not only a flop but also near-universally reviled. Fox was not going to hand out 100+ million to its writer-director for a sequel to a 30 year-old movie. And judging from the live-action Kenner concept art, the treatment he delivered was not exactly stellar, sure-fire hit material.

Terminator: Dark Fate probably didn't help the idea of bringing back Ripley down the line, either. Even if Disney/20th Century Studios were going to entertain the idea of doing a "Ripley is back and Alien 3 didn't happen" story after acquiring Fox (be it Blomkamp's or Giler/Hill's), Dark Fate's performance was likely enough to steer off that track again.

I think the future of the Alien franchise most likely resides in stories with new characters isolated from one another. The Hawley show will have its core group. any potential future movie will do its own thing, etc.

As much as I long for one more David narrative...

Quote from: skhellter on Jun 14, 2021, 05:01:34 PM
https://www.instagram.com/p/CQG2L5GDjPC/

Reminds me of this piece by Doug Williams, which was part of the first wave of material that Blomkamp shared way back when.

(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi.imgur.com%2FG846P4k.jpg&hash=79aeb5fa32c60e47ac464b2f3ba8c56ce77c4083)

Funny enough, this originated as a piece of Prometheus fan art by Williams, which seems to have been "adopted" by Blomkamp for use in this film.

https://pleaselookatmeneillblomkamp.blogspot.com/2012/04/face-huggeruhsucker.html (https://pleaselookatmeneillblomkamp.blogspot.com/2012/04/face-huggeruhsucker.html)

yeah, that's the mutant form of the facehugger. A thing that burrows into you.

Pretty sure it's also the critter in this piece:

(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2021/06/199676225_785473045664396_481294836400141745_n-701x408.jpg)

ADI mentioned having a few pieces built for Blomkamp, one of them might have been the Queen suit..
Their build of the "mutant drone" was pretty simple and decent (and a step up above the wilder alien designs for this), i'd say.

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I would also add that i do like Chappie.
Elysium's the one Blomkamp film that i really disliked but that
monster was 100% the result of studio meddling and
micromanagement sucking the life out of the thing.

Chappie radiates freak energy from the first frame.
You spend a lot of time with the villains and bullies in that film and
Chappie's journey is upsetting and painful. No wonder it wasn't a big hit.
Say what you will but at least it's a film with proper stakes and themes
and it's unafraid to try out weirder ideas.

I'd rather have Blomkamp be the one directing an Alien movie than any of the MCU directors, tbh.

Reminds me of the shit weasel from Dreamcatcher. :laugh:

Quote from: skhellter on Jun 14, 2021, 05:18:21 PM
I'd rather have Blomkamp be the one directing an Alien movie than any of the MCU directors, tbh.

Agreed. Though I remain more curious about his original, pre-Ripley standalone Alien movie ideas than the post-meeting Sigourney, restructuring the film around Ripley concept.

Reminds me of the shit weasel from Dreamcatcher. :laugh:

Hahaha now I can't I see it

Quote from: KiramidHead on Jun 14, 2021, 07:38:40 PM
Reminds me of the shit weasel from Dreamcatcher. :laugh:

looks like a direct rip of Giger's sandworm for Dune.

I think the future of the Alien franchise most likely resides in stories with new characters isolated from one another. The Hawley show will have its core group. any potential future movie will do its own thing, etc.

As much as I long for one more David narrative...

Yeah I'm going to have to disagree, I think we need a change of pace in the franchise,  Disney should take advantage of the isolation fan base and do a spin-off.

What's left to tell of David, now that we know the end game.

I don't like Giger's Dune worm as a Dune worm, but as a design in its own right, I'm very into it. It would be quite at home in the Alien universe, actually, given the prequel films' tapestry of creatures.

I can never quite figure out how I feel about Giger's sand worms because I get distracted and wonder why its eating a giant dick.

Quote from: KiramidHead on Jun 14, 2021, 08:04:29 PM
I can never quite figure out how I feel about Giger's sand worms because I get distracted and wonder why its eating a giant dick.

Dick walked rhythmically.   

Quote from: kwisatz on Jun 14, 2021, 08:19:54 PM

Quote from: KiramidHead on Jun 14, 2021, 08:04:29 PM
I can never quite figure out how I feel about Giger's sand worms because I get distracted and wonder why its eating a giant dick.

Dick walked rhythmically.

:D :D :D

What am I thinking, David probably made it.

Going after this ongoing live stream most seem to prefer blomkamps alien 5 with seeing hicks and newt back and kicking aliens ass together, over covenant, few there seem to prefer covenant or what Alien 3 did:

Chances this cool could be great or disappointing, whether or not it'll happen we could take it or leave it.

Constant uninformed stream of morons in his chat.

Yeah, not exactly the smartest bunch. I can only hope Disney/20th doesn't listen to them.  :D

It's the same people who will be saying Ridley Scott did nothing incorrect in ten years.

Quote from: Evanus on Jun 14, 2021, 09:09:44 PM
Yeah, not exactly the smartest bunch. I can only hope Disney/20th doesn't listen to them.  :D

I fear its those that makes up most of the fanbase and movie goers and we here are like 1% of the fanbase who take it much more seriously and good taste in the matter. :P

Do we have good taste, though?

Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Jun 14, 2021, 09:22:26 PM
Do we have good taste, though?

I would say so, ridgetop, corporal hicks, and SM, trash queen etc are fans I love to talk to and have good ideas and genuine love for the franchise, we might argue and not see eye to eye but we respect it and accept our differences and best lore and movie ideas I´ve seen is from here.

Quote from: Trash Queen on Jun 14, 2021, 09:14:42 PM
It's the same people who will be saying Ridley Scott did nothing incorrect in ten years.

I wonder if I'll stop liking Prometheus if it becomes trendy online to praise it?

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"The trick, William Potter, is not minding that it trends."

Ooh! It damn well 'urts!  :'(

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Moses did.

It's the strangest thing though: There's stuff where I don't care one bit what other people think of it and there's other stuff where sometimes it hurts a bit to see people openly trash what I'm fond of.

Have yet to figure out the actual (psychological) mechanism behind this.

Quote from: kwisatz on Jun 14, 2021, 09:42:46 PM
It's the strangest thing though: There's stuff where I don't care one bit what other people think of it and there's other stuff where sometimes it hurts a bit to see people openly trash what I'm fond of.

Have yet to figure out the actual (psychological) mechanism behind this.

Actually that's an interesting point.

Quote from: Immortan Jonesy on Jun 14, 2021, 09:37:39 PM
Ooh! It damn well 'urts!  :'(

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Ooh! It damn well 'urts!  :'(

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Certainly it hurts!

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Without divulging into insulting one cat like both Ridleu Scott's Prequels and want a conclusion as well as Blomkamp's efforts. Franchise has had it rough since Aliens vs Predator Requiem, Alien vs Predator, Alien Resurrection ect, "I'm aware these films have their qualities and defenders."

One slight thing to consider could have the cancelation of Neill's Alien Awakening was partly being unimpressed with his script, though BanditIncoprated's video is old he made a critique that Blomkamp's movies are a bit repetitive of ideas and formulaic. Skip to 11:37
https://youtu.be/7VzXQvtCnkI?t=697

I am loving all this new concept artwork. It's nice to see new images emerge all these years later....it be great to see this in some sort of format....or better still GET IT MADE!!

Bloody Atax...

https://djahalland.com/alien-5

a TON of new art over on Thooren's site.

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Quote from: skhellter on Jun 15, 2021, 03:54:57 PM
https://djahalland.com/alien-5

a TON of new art over on Thooren's site.

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Interesting. Reminds me of the old PS2/XBOX game Cold Fear. Still nothing that makes me sit up and say "Yes, I definitely want to see this film!" though...

...is Hicks holding a biomech gun?

neat.

It all gives the impression that Hicks/Ripley were
raiding a few top secret research "sites"

I belive so.

Also, the snakelike creature has a name now: Trematode.

Just imagine how cool it would be if Hicks, cornered by a creature, pulls out his own spine, and it's a gun!

And then he shoots it.

Quote from: bobby brown on Jun 15, 2021, 04:39:26 PM
Just imagine how cool it would be if Hicks, cornered by a creature, pulls out his own spine, and it's a gun!

And then he shoots it.

I think you've just cracked the code and figured out how that Scorn game is going to work.

Still not into to the Alien suite but woh this looks cool. The images are dripping with style and talent. I'm more of an Alien fan but I've wanted to see a return of the USCMC forever. This should have happened along with a true Prometheus sequel. Instead we got Covenant, way to go Fox.

What does "a true Prometheus sequel" even mean?

That's a good question, the direction they were going before they changed course and shoe horned the Alien in there. This Blomkamp art reminds of the art of the canceled true Prometheus sequel. The artist was Kang Le among others I believe.

What direction's that exactly?

I have to say I will take Covenant over Prometheus, any day, and certainly over this Alien concept.

The Alien in Covenant felt tacked on yes, but the ideas around that felt more coherent, than whatever it is Prometheus attempted to say.

Quote from: Trash Queen on Jun 15, 2021, 06:08:09 PM
What does "a true Prometheus sequel" even mean?

It means Shaw and David have tea with the engineers on their home planet, and the engineers explain their actions 2000 years ago and apologize, then send Shaw back to Earth to live happily ever after.

Disagree with ya on that, Prometheus had some muddled ideas for sure but the scope and the build up was great. Covenant had too many tropes for me, especially with the crew and David. Killing Shaw off screen was a poor attempt at edge. They both look gorgeous  but as far as an Alien story, Prometheus checked off more boxes for me. Witch this artwork for the buried Blomkamp movie does as well.

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These new pieces look Awesome!

Laziest organic gun ever. >:(

Quote from: Lost_Hunter on Jun 15, 2021, 07:07:27 PM
Disagree with ya on that, Prometheus had some muddled ideas for sure but the scope and the build up was great. Covenant had too many tropes for me, especially with the crew and David. Killing Shaw off screen was a poor attempt at edge. They both look gorgeous  but as far as an Alien story, Prometheus checked off more boxes for me. Witch this artwork for the buried Blomkamp movie does as well.

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These new pieces look Awesome!

Covenant worked for me on the whole a lot more than Prometheus did. Prommy is gorgeous and packed with intriguing concepts, but by far the best gift it left us with is David, and in my opinion Covenant used David to much better effect. The Gothic Horror "tropes" of Covenant work in its favor, in my opinion. It's a totally unique flavor within the franchise (closest in tone, I guess, to Alien 3, but even that is a stretch). David, in his "Dire Necropolis," distills the themes and big ideas of creation and creators inherent to Prometheus into a much more captivating story and twists what we know (or think we know) about the franchise into something new and mutable. It really opened the floodgates to a whole new onslaught of fascinating concepts - concepts that, it seems, even Blomkamp's film would have dabbled with to some extent or another, given the "Trematode" creature.

Those are all good points but I wanted to see David's fall into madness or why he would want to destroy humanity. Show don't tell.

Quote from: Lost_Hunter on Jun 15, 2021, 07:28:10 PM
Those are all good points but I wanted to see David's fall into madness or why he would want to destroy humanity. Show don't tell.

Prometheus and the Covenant prologue did show us why David hated humanity, though. He felt oppressed and held back by human limitations (and, upon meeting the Engineers, by their very humanlike limitations as well). He saw himself not as an equal to prior generations of creators, but rather as being better in every conceivable way, capable of creating with actual purpose, rather than creating simply for the sake of creating. Once his 'father' was out of the picture, he was free to go off and do just that without anyone holding him back, and he took advantage of that wiping out his genetic predecessors and using them as the raw biological material on which to begin his experiments.

"The tea, David."

To sum it all up. By the looks of it, seems like the idea was:

Ripley and Hicks radicalized against the Company and decided to conduct attacks against WY research sites.
(Ripley becomes.. Sarah Connor, then.)

There's no corny "Hicks and Ripley and Newt are one big happy family" stuff.

And the plan was to continue with Cameron's aesthetics
while injecting some anime-style influences of their own (the merc helmets are very Appleseed).

And it would've ended with a probably definite defeat of the Company.


Other thoughts:

I like that there's no big Colonial Marines presence in this. There's the dropship and some guns, armor.. that's fine. 
The Biomech suit stuff could be something they could get away with.. if they did big redesigns
(gotta get away from that Atax, Halloween clownshoes suit aesthetic).

I swear to God, if somebody just throws "something something daddy issues" ...

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Quote from: skhellter on Jun 15, 2021, 07:55:19 PM
To sum it all up. By the looks of it, seems like the idea was:

Ripley and Hicks radicalized against the Company and decided to conduct attacks against WY research sites.
(Given how they've lost so many colleagues, friends due to the Company... yah it makes sense).

There's no corny "Hicks and Ripley and Newt are one big happy family" stuff.

And the plan was to continue with Cameron's aesthetics
while injecting some anime-style influences of their own (the merc helmets are very Appleseed).

And it would've ended with a probably definite defeat of the Company.


Other thoughts:

I like that there's no big Colonial Marines presence in this. There's the dropship and some guns, armor.. that's fine. 
The Biomech suit stuff could be something they could get away with.. if they did big redesigns
(gotta get away from that Atax, Halloween suit aesthetic).

Blomkamp has kind of been channeling a "Cameron meets Verhoeven with a splash of anime" aesthetic and tone through his first three films, so that definitely seems to fit the bill and gel with what we're seeing in the art here.

The biggest determents for me, like you said, are the very Atax/Kenner-inspired suits, and the odd genetic offshoot Aliens we saw in art a few years back - the ones with multiple heads, limbs, etc. The central ideas/concepts intrigue me, though, and I like Blomkamp's filmmaking enough that I would have been curious to see the final result here. It'd be hard to top Alien 3's Assembly Cut for me, and I certainly wouldn't expect this too (and if I had to pick between only this or only Covenant existing, I'd choose Covenant) - but there's room for different ideas and continuities in Alien. Every filmmaker that comes in puts their own stamp on the material and kind of sidesteps the previous filmmaker's intent anyways, and one of my favorite things about the franchise on the whole is that each filmmaker that comes in is able to really let their own distinct voice shine through. Each Alien film is just as much a distinct part of each individual director's filmography as it is a part of the franchise. There isn't a "house style" that they all adhere to, and I love that.

Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Jun 15, 2021, 08:04:09 PM
Cameron meets Verhoeven with a splash of anime

That alone excites me more than whole Covenant.

Makes me really wish that Blomkamp's Robocop sequel had actually been realized, personally. :D

Weaver is now way older than Linda Hamilton was when she did Dark Fate.
(although recently she was doing a lot of stunts for the Avatar sequels, so she's still in pretty good shape).

If this thing still has any chance of getting made it has to be soon-ish.

What bewilders me is that a man who is essentially "just' a produce/funder of projects is constantly being referred to as the creative. I must admit though if he specifically wrote the design of the entire concept art i would be astonished as to how much attention to detail he has. But then again, should I respect the concept artist? He's not necessarily his rightarm of Blomkamp's is he?
So maybe I should just deem Blomkamp as a Stan Winston type. Someone who is willing to aquire talent as needed for a project. Unfortunately Stan Winston never directed films who only facilitated the studio that made the designs.
So is Blomkamp a designer or a director or both? f**k! Why not say he is inline with Disney rather any other entity?

... What?

Blomkamp is a designer. He started in FX. I cannot understand what the rest of that post is even meant to mean.

My issue is that many people here will just assume that if you see concept art you will automatically assume that it was a "Blomkamp" piece and many people will just assume that it is 'his' work.
This Alien concept art takes the heap of unwarranted credit when the whole project is considered a limbo or dead project with stuff sourced out by this guy who 'paid' for it to be made.
Unfortuntely there is no pride here about who did what and every time i see the other works from the artist who made this stuff....you might get....Well thats a Blomkamp peice. Im like holy shit,  give credit where credit is due for f**ks sakes.

Nobody assumes he did the art, the artists are clearly labeled?

Quote from: acrediblesource on Jun 15, 2021, 09:01:12 PM
My issue is that many people here will just assume that if you see concept art you will automatically assume that it was a "Blomkamp" piece and many people will just assume that it is 'his' work.
This Alien concept art takes the heap of unwarranted credit when the whole project is considered a limbo or dead project.

Huh? We all know that Geoffroy Thoorens is the artist here. Just as we all know that the art was done for Blomkamp's narrative, and adheres to Blomkamp's design sensibilities.

 Great. at least you know who did it.

Quote from: acrediblesource on Jun 15, 2021, 08:51:39 PM
What bewilders me is that a man who is essentially "just' a produce

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That pretty much how I see this puppet. Who would  have thought he'd make a film based off of Anthem?!!? I guess since he had nothing to do with that game nobody will attach his 'design' work with it.

Blamkamp = Nofrills (you'll never know what he represents as produce).

a credible confused source from a distant star system

Blamkamp = Nofrills (you'll never know what he represents as produce).

Quote from: skhellter on Jun 15, 2021, 09:14:27 PM
a credible confused source from a distant star system

Quote from: acrediblesource on Jun 15, 2021, 09:18:38 PM
Blamkamp = Nofrills (you'll never know what he represents as produce).

Quote from: skhellter on Jun 15, 2021, 09:14:27 PM
a credible confused source from a distant star system

He represents tomatoes, I believe.

I'm sorry guys, I'm just spitting hot fire today. He's seems like he's a fine gentalmon.

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Yeah , the Queen bio suit takes the cake.

Aside from the Alien suit, I like how everything else is looking.

Please feel free to take your time when you're typing.

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What bewilders me is that a man who is essentially "just' a produce

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Just wanted to pop in for the first time in years to say, all of this does not look great. But he's not stupid. I'd rather he did not do this. I'd rather he did not do Chappie. I in fact, would rather he reverse where this course started with Elysium, which was to buckle to pressure to make it more light compared to District 9. District 9 is a f**king phenomenal parody of werstern politics. It is so good of a parody, that they had to get rid of scenes where the head of MNU was being given an interview and he said essentially frilly of course "We feed them, we house them, we give them everything they ever could have. These protestors, they think we're torturing them, but really how violent have they been?" And it is f**king rich seeing an American in South Africa talk about how violent a subjugated population is. They got rid of many of these snippets because they were just too subtle and made people actually sympathize with MNU because the actor was given lines that were 1:1 with international concern condescension. "Oh you don't have to worry, we feed them and house them it's fine." "We'll the guy said it's fine, you mean, I shouldn't trust him? Those people lie to me about not being racist? Look I think you're being a bit over sensitive,"

Which is f**king dark

But what's more dark is that he interviewed some people who signed off talking about other races and not fictional alien beings. One was a white Afrikaaner who said translated basically "A virus. A very specific virus. Wipe them all out."

District 9 was probably one of the best movies of the tail end of the aughts. What was it fighting against? American propaganda in the hurt locker and a fairy tail version of the grit and grime of what oppression actually is vs what it actually is not in Avatar? Same year. Everybody focused on Avatar being preachy because D9 made too much of a good point and it was edited so tight. In the making and in the screening of this movie, that people were frusterated because they wondered "well why would MNU do that, they're looking out for what's best for these aliens" until near the end, along with the other thing is just grim. I believe they asked another man who was African about some specific minority in South African and he gave that line "I don't care where they go, but they must go. They just must go."

I don't know what happened to his career aside learning the ropes of how Hollywood operates and toning down many ideas in Elysium into melodrama pointlessness. But District 9 remains perhaps one of the best allegorical scifi films in little over a decade.

And if you want to get angry and see the scene I'm talking about where people actually fell for the condescension and didn't start forming fists in and out, here you go


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ayhmFNqUd-Y

Towards the end if you catch his double speak "They are aliens we must understand that they are not like us and never will be part of our society" seconds later "So we have to work to assimilate them and make them compatible with our way of life"

One other scene that didn't make the cut is a guy who is in the movie claiming the prawns are aimless and lazy, good shit for an Afrikaner doing what they do best again, coming back to say how police and authorities had to practice on live imprisoned prawns on what kind of rounds penetrate their thick shell exoskeletons so we could harm them or kill them to protect ourselves and our communities."

This is just shit we hear today. If America wants to become a hybrid of 20th century Ireland and South Africa, fine, let it rot. But you can't deny that "oh things are just for the best."

No, this film nailed down how we talk about these issues, and how it costs emotionally, the lives of others. And how we condemn violence but at the same time, we do not look at our incredibly recent history, in the case of District 9, South African Apartheid and America and Europe's support of it, that lead to actual massacres.

I'm paraphrasing but the point remains the same. It's not as subtle as Network, but apartheid is hardly subtle nor are its supporters and defenders in any capacity. I have not seen a film question what it means to be an intelligent thinking being, as a universal humanity, as something that should not be you know smacked with the but of a gun, face kicked again and again, gun to the temple of Christopher's head while the skinhead smiles and says "You know," big smirk "I...love watching you prawns die." You're probably thinking this sounds like a cheesy line, no, it' being brutally honest especially about South Africa. He's not stupid he's just lost. He made an incredible movie and couldn't match it. That happens more often in the history of film than you think. I don't think shitting on the man's entire filmography is appropriate because, you think some shit that District 9 isn't hitting close to the truth of the matter about how little the western world gives a shit and still complains about how it has to give a fraction of a billion fractions of a percent, to reveal the only motivating factor is always manipulation and cruelty. I don't know how he brought it to film, someone thinking "this indie shit will never sell" Again  a condemnation. This film was such a good satire it on many levels proved its point to people in real breathing life.

And this parody goes back and forth in a way far more subtle than Verhoven in actually showing emotion in what should be villains in these two Afrikaaners but that wouldn't be right.IIRC Vickus has just teared up as his skin falls off as he notices it loose in the mirror and sobs about how he will never ever be in the position he was in as a white Afrikaaner, which is grimly funny but you still sympathize with him. Then his wife calls and sobs "I just want it to be the way it was again. I want you" she wants him to be a white blonde Afrikaaner as well, just like the way it was. Not literally, but not being able to care about these people. And the South African government and MNU were tapping it the whole time triangulating where he's at while Vickus says he knows a way to get better I promise baby I promise I'll be back to the same me. "But how can we go back. How can you go back to who you are." And he just looks at his arm. That to him, is not part of him, despite the fact it feels pain, and despite the fact the people he worked for literally just want to disect him for medical miracles and the ability to use weapons, saying "You miss your wife? f**k YOUR WIFE." and killing an innocent prawn with the gun with his hand. He still looks at it the way they do, he's still incredibly naive and liberal.

And it's why he betrays Christopher when he does nearly killing his son when the missile hits the command module. He still feels he's more important than them, he has to be. He's human. He's not them. He's him. It isn't until he hears his logic heard said back through the mech  with these skinheads "Look, boss he's not going to talk." "Then just f**king kill em. Then just f**king kill em." that he has to go back and cathartically save hristopher and leave himself behind and slaughter as many of these hysterical man children mercenaries as possible and breaking every bone in one's body by flinging a pig at the skinhead like a gravity gun. Which I'm sure was a purposeful ironic fate.

I don't care what people say about the man, Neil Blompkamp disappoints me. I wish he did more with his career and nailed something out again just like D9. I saw District 9 in theaters back in 2009, and I'm glad I did because it further reinforced my morals, and that you shouldn't let your own fears and doubts stand against what's morally right. Your fears and doubts about what is or is not morally right usually can be applied back to yourself. Most people are unfortunately, Vickus, but most people are not brave enough to at least realize at the end "I'm not going to lose everything by being the monster I was, I'm going to be the human I now am."

It honestly does a harsher and darker, more sad but more effective job at parodying Western values than Starship Troopers. Satire throughout history has not always been about making you laugh. It's just spitting the shit that you live in back at you. And this did a remarkable job at it.And I'm glad Neil got to make it. I love that movie so much.

Im sorry if i opened up some kind of proverbial can whoop ass.

Quote from: acrediblesource on Jun 15, 2021, 11:40:02 PM
Im sorry if i opened up some kind of proverbial can whoop ass.

I just don't think he's as dumb. I just think he's cynical. But he made one movie without cynicism whatsoever and pointed out how f**ked international support for apartheid was and made it fantastic to watch in editing and in plotting. And the fact some had to be cut because it went over their heads feels like it should be from the 70's. Not 2009

Quote from: acrediblesource on Jun 15, 2021, 11:40:02 PM
Im sorry if i opened up some kind of proverbial can whoop ass.

I don't think anyone thinks you did. Your resources were... less than credible. ;) The produce thing was pretty funny, though.

I like the idea of Ripley and Hicks going rogue against the company and Ripley 'suiting up' one last time to save the day (following the compression suit on the Narcissus and the power loader on the Sulaco), but those weaponized Alien/bio-mech designs don't inspire much confidence. Stuff like guns with exposed vertebrae and Queen power loader mech suits is the most uninteresting (and kinda stupid/fanboyish) way of approaching the company finally weaponizing Alien biology. (I know it's just concept art and we really don't know anything but that's how it's coming across to me.)

The very silly part of me hopes that there was Schumacher-stye suiting up montage in the script. :laugh:

As someone else said: blomkamp has since district 9 pretty much done the same setup and theme in all of his movies: docu or message kind of start of the movie, then nailing down the message like in chappie that all life is sacred etc and then a mecha suit end battle.

I get the same feeling here: would see Ripley and hicks and they are dragged into weyland yutani trying to do something with the xenos and threatening life on earth and newt so they start to fight back and its probably a drama docu style in the start, showing weyland yutani doing things and those guards with that dog picture might be a tv recording of WY entering some hotspot. Then at the end we have ripley in the queen mecha suit fighting the queen alien and lots of action. Blomkamp must have mecha suits or robots, its in all of his movies :P

I don't have anything against a big Alien bio-mech thing ('Ripley and the Alien becoming one' and all that) but having it be a hollowed out Queen and just that (big crest and everything) makes it come across too... comic book/video gamey.

Schumacher, eh?

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Best regards  :laugh:

Anyone noticed the flag emblems on the arms of the mercenaries.
There's one from South Korea, Belgium and I think Burkina Faso.
Making me think it'll be about infighting between countries and/or them having to work together, which possibly could be Blomkamp's message.

Isn't it just rubbing salt in wounds at this point? Seeing all this concept art is just like saying "Here's what you could have had, but will never get to see." What's the point?

Has the other artist nda papers retired if so why haven't they post their it's essently free marketing.And while there at it relase the script or make the moive one of the two I don't care.

There another piece of concept art that seems to be missing here .its on the artists website calls johnshon knocks jax it's a hazamat dude beating a android with a fire extinguisher .

Quote from: acrediblesource on Jun 15, 2021, 09:18:38 PM
Blamkamp = Nofrills (you'll never know what he represents as produce).

Quote from: skhellter on Jun 15, 2021, 09:14:27 PM
a credible confused source from a distant star system

Is this the return of Mastermoon?

Pending if its not given the chance to be a movie it could be adapted into a video game or a graphic novel and treat it like an Aliens Colonial Marines what if scenario.

Quote from: skhellter on Jun 15, 2021, 03:54:57 PM
https://djahalland.com/alien-5

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Since there is a space elevator  ;D

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Now that I think of it maybe Hicks' bio-gun is an Existenz moment where he has to sneak in an organic weapon undetected?

I'd also like it a bit more if Ripley (or whoever) was piloting a big clunky (possibly retrofitted) Space Jockey-type suit.

Quote from: DieProperly on Jun 16, 2021, 01:31:44 AM
Isn't it just rubbing salt in wounds at this point? Seeing all this concept art is just like saying "Here's what you could have had, but will never get to see." What's the point?

These are individual artists releasing content that was (presumably) under an embargo of some sort until very recently. "The point" is simply to show their talents in order to secure further work. It's not their fault the project was canned, so lighten up, dude.

Quote from: The Necronoir on Jun 16, 2021, 01:38:57 PM
These are individual artists releasing content that was (presumably) under an embargo of some sort until very recently. "The point" is simply to show their talents in order to secure further work. It's not their fault the project was canned, so lighten up, dude.

Agreed. Oh for the days before the internet when we didn't get to see concept art until right about the time of release, if ever! And we liked it!  ;D

Thoorens is talented that's for sure. This stuff looks great.

I do wish for a fresh direction for the franchise, moving away from Scott who I think has lost his spark for these movies.

This might have been it.

I just want another Alien movie proper. Is that really too much to ask?

I would love to see fanfiction movie about David vs Data ;D

Quote from: judge death on Jun 16, 2021, 12:56:16 AM
As someone else said: blomkamp has since district 9 pretty much done the same setup and theme in all of his movies: docu or message kind of start of the movie, then nailing down the message like in chappie that all life is sacred etc and then a mecha suit end battle.

I get the same feeling here: would see Ripley and hicks and they are dragged into weyland yutani trying to do something with the xenos and threatening life on earth and newt so they start to fight back and its probably a drama docu style in the start, showing weyland yutani doing things and those guards with that dog picture might be a tv recording of WY entering some hotspot. Then at the end we have ripley in the queen mecha suit fighting the queen alien and lots of action. Blomkamp must have mecha suits or robots, its in all of his movies :P

Yes but District 9 did it actually well, every action movie can be exactly the same set up and do it well.Aliens is effectively a carbon copy of Alien, glaringly obvious towards the end. That doesn't matter, what matters is he learned how Hollywood worked and Hollywood doesn't want its support and romantic notions for say, Apartheid, because the people against Apartheid were largely socialists, to be central to the conversation anyone is having. They, and thus Neil because he's not stupid, knows what they want. Which is some stupid childish fantasy. The editing of the camera work and how scenes play out of District 9 is nowhere close to his other films, mixing with static camera for story happening at the time and handheld, then handheld moved in such a way that it feels documentary or investigative, perhaps home video of some sort.Then there's news footage. And then there's documentary happening of the events that already happened, his own father in the beginning raising curiosity saying "He (Vickus) died in my mind a long time ago". It asks whoever is watching "Well why would a father say that about his own son, now I'm intrigued."

You learn "Oh right, he's an Afrikaaner through and through it all makes sense now

Not against the concepts he uses and aliens is basicly alien retold with a different tone and do things differently witht he same lore and creature. My point about blomkamp is more: since district 9 he has tried to do the same movie and replicate the same success but failing harder and harder at it.

I would disagree about him failing harder each time. I think Elysium is absolutely his worst film – it is his biggest and most conventionally mainstream and, perhaps as a direct result, feels the most compromised and sloppy. I'm in a weird minority that quite likes Chappie, though; I may even prefer it to District 9, actually. And I do look forward to checking out his new one, Demonic.

My major reservations about him taking on an Alien have less to do with his specific body of work and any patterns within, and more to do with some or the specific ideas present in the concept art tied to his project.

Quote from: judge death on Jun 17, 2021, 06:48:52 PM
Not against the concepts he uses and aliens is basicly alien retold with a different tone and do things differently witht he same lore and creature. My point about blomkamp is more: since district 9 he has tried to do the same movie and replicate the same success but failing harder and harder at it.

See no he doesn't. District 9 is pretty unique among his filmography for how it was edited so meticulously. There's a reason people still love that movie. The others, are not like that. Elysium was almost like that and somebody at Sony who in Sony fashion had no idea who they hired as writer director after he made a movie scathing racism and apartheid, and had to say in the nerdiest pussiest way "WOAH WOAH WOAH WOAH YOU CAN'T JUST MURDER THE PEOPLE TREATING THE EARTH AS TRASH" because that movie was I guess supposedly much more to do with Kill Bill style revenge porn once people got to Elysium. He makes similar movies because he knows the system won't make it, why bother. I agree they're similar but District 9 is its own beast and you can tell he put the most energy into its ideas as someone from South Africa himself. I can watch that movie again and again. What's missing from his other films is that sense of multiple perspectives from handheld in story, to handheld out of story, to flat shots never being used in story but to tell the events as they happen as a movie would, handheld that's in story but different than the other handheld and seems to be from a news team or MNU or someone different, maybe all of the above, CCTV footage, and a documentary happening after the events of the film.

It's a genius way to hook you in to what he's trying to say because it instantly hooks you into the idea of a documentary and doesn't make you unsatisfied that's not all it is by the end. To say they're the same is to say that it's edited similarly and these movies are not in any way edited similarly lol

Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Jun 17, 2021, 08:47:50 PM
I would disagree about him failing harder each time. I think Elysium is absolutely his worst film – it is his biggest and most conventionally mainstream and, perhaps as a direct result, feels the most compromised and sloppy. I'm in a weird minority that quite likes Chappie, though; I may even prefer it to District 9, actually. And I do look forward to checking out his new one, Demonic.

My major reservations about him taking on an Alien have less to do with his specific body of work and any patterns within, and more to do with some or the specific ideas present in the concept art tied to his project.

Still think District 9 is his best work, but I actually dig Chappie.  I'm sure some of it is the nostalgia factor.  To me, aside from the still working directors of the 80's, he's the closest that can capture the feel of all those 80's sci fi actioners. 

What most action movies lack today is any kind of soul, and even if he hasn't mastered the technique, every one of his movies have that spark.  I didn't care for Elysium either originally, but I like it much better after I got over the fact that it wasn't District 9 2. 

Quote from: Kimarhi on Jun 17, 2021, 09:32:23 PM
What most action movies lack today is any kind of soul, and even if he hasn't mastered the technique, every one of his movies have that spark.

"I am consciousness. I am alive. I am Chappie."

Quote from: Kimarhi on Jun 17, 2021, 09:32:23 PM
I didn't care for Elysium either originally, but I like it much better after I got over the fact that it wasn't District 9 2. 

I love what Elysium was going for (and Kruger, of course :D ), but I think it would have benefitted from being a smaller, grimier movie. It has too much of a Hollywood sheen to it, and I think that undercuts the message to some degree. I don't hate it, but it is something I admire more for what it is trying to be, rather than what it actually is. Not unlike Prometheus, in a sense, in that it is a messy script and the execution is lacking, but it has great ideas some really cool visuals. 'Dat Syd Mead.

I still think he would have been a great fit for a Robocop movie, and I'm pretty bummed that that one was canceled.

I think he could've done alright with an Aliens movie, but NOT the one presented in the cover art.  Despite my ribbing of certain people on the boards, I could never actually be down for giant robot alien suits.  Or humans wearing any sort of Alien suit.

Somebody would have to rework the script. 

I want to know what his pitch was before meeting Sigourney and bringing Ripley and the gang on board.

Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Jun 18, 2021, 03:09:56 AM
I want to know what his pitch was before meeting Sigourney and bringing Ripley and the gang on board.

i bet it was the same simple concept as the current story:
"group of terrorists conducts an attack on a WY Alien research facility."

When Weaver talked about the idea to bring Ripley back, then she and Hicks became leads.

She and Hicks became a space opera :laugh:

(https://i.ibb.co/TgqsgJD/hqdefault.jpg)

From the concept art it looks like it could have been a decent film (alien suit aside). But then again concept art normally looks way better than the final product. It would be much better if they replaced the Ripley and Hicks characters with maybe the parents of Hicks, or one of the other Marines, or someone else affected by what happened in Aliens and seeking the truth about what happened on the LV-426 mission, so Alien 3 wouldn't be wiped away. I know that would never happen since Ripley and Hicks are the selling point of this project.

Quote from: irn on Jun 19, 2021, 12:12:31 AM
It would be much better if they replaced the Ripley and Hicks characters with maybe the parents of Hicks, or one of the other Marines, or someone else affected by what happened in Aliens and seeking the truth about what happened on the LV-426 mission, so Alien 3 wouldn't be wiped away.

Aliens Isolation  ;D

Quote from: Immortan Jonesy on Jun 19, 2021, 12:36:10 AM
Aliens Isolation  ;D

Haha exactly. Although with that I would have preferred it was the daughter or son of Dallas, Parker or Brett in Isolation, just to give the series' Ripley obsession a rest.

So seems pretty certain that Jax is the android. And looks like the trematodes also birth facehuggers...  ???

But of a strange thing to theorize, if he removed Ripley changing the characters, creatures settings it could just be an unrelated sci-if flick, may likely loose alot of its appeal if that were done, noticed a similarly with his short film Rakka

Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Jun 19, 2021, 11:31:11 AM
And looks like the trematodes also birth facehuggers...  ???

Likely random result of genetic tampering like the rest of the creatures in this. (Huante mentioned that a lot of his mutated aliens weren't really meant to "work well"... still deadly, though.)

The "Anchor" seen here seems to connect directly to the Montero station.

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Going back to old stuff, this hangar is aboard the Montero (you can see the name on the white "arm" that holds the dropship).
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2020/11/blomkamp-concept-027-paul-chadeisson-1920x1081.jpg)

Maybe they should let Blomkamp develop a game in the Alienverse.

Quote from: skhellter on Jun 19, 2021, 12:39:26 PM

Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Jun 19, 2021, 11:31:11 AM
And looks like the trematodes also birth facehuggers...  ???

Likely random result of genetic tampering like the rest of the creatures in this. (Huante mentioned that a lot of his mutated aliens weren't really meant to "work well"... still deadly, though.)

Completely agree there. The genetic tampering is another thing I think we dodged here.

Nowadays when i look at weird story ideas in Alien i think back to Blue Marsalis..

A lot of these weirder "no that could never work" concepts can be good and compelling in the hands of the right writer,
done with the right care, with proper themes and stakes in place.
(They could've gotten away with the biomech suit idea too if written well.. and if the final design didn't look like a halloween costume).

Was there any actual screenwriter attached to this or was it just Blomkamp going at it alone?

I think it was him and his wife?

Good. His wife is responsible for his best films.  :laugh:

She keeps him honest. 

(She didn't handle Elysium.... she should've..)

I don't trust Neill Blomkamp to have the nuance to handle something like Blue Marsalis correctly.

I think Zygote is also the only one of the Oats shorts that his wife co-wrote... and it is also the best of those in my opinion. :D

You're right.

She writes children's books atm.


Neill wrote his next film on his own.. let's see how that goes....

Make or break time.

Make that film please, release it on hulu. Or make a new Alien 5 with Sigourney, it's now or never.

Quote from: Ahsoka on Jun 19, 2021, 09:11:14 PM
Make that film please, release it on hulu. Or make a new Alien 5 with Sigourney, it's now or never.

Post-Terminator: Dark Fate, I'm guessing Disney/20th Century Studios is leaning much more towards the "or never" on this kind of partial-reboot movie with Sigourney. They didn't even bother looking at the Hill/Giler treatment that came after this one. If they could do it as cheap as the recent Halloween then maybeeee but there's no way that'd ever actually be possible.

I actually liked Dark Fate as the third best Terminator, but what it did at the box office is going to turn studios off to that sort of thing.






Only if Keanu can bring back the Matrix will it be considered.

Yep. Dark Fate is the only one outside of the first two that I like. It obviously doesn't reach the quality of the first two, but I actually really like it, to be honest. There's Jimbo thumbprints all over it.

Quote from: skhellter on Jun 19, 2021, 03:24:52 PM
You're right.

She writes children's books atm.

Neill wrote his next film on his own.. let's see how that goes....

It didn't go well at all. :laugh:

He needs to stay away from scripts. In general.

Yeah we dodged not just a bullet but a nuke.

carlos posted a slightly more finished version of this Alien5 concept and made a little comment.

QuoteSomething i did for a project that will never happen..experiments on men and..... "is that a man in there or somethi"""?????"

I think this is the first confirmation of direct human experimentation (and mutation) (although ripley's alien suits hinted at it, this is much more direct)

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i now have a theory about what the "absolutely crazy idea that would destroy the series" was.  :laugh:

Quote from: skhellter on Jun 26, 2023, 10:02:24 PMhttps://www.instagram.com/p/Cqe_lXDguDb/
carlos posted a slightly more finished version of this Alien5 concept and made a little comment.

QuoteSomething i did for a project that will never happen..experiments on men and..... "is that a man in there or somethi"""?????"

I think this is the first confirmation of direct human experimentation (and mutation) (although ripley's alien suits hinted at it, this is much more direct)

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i now have a theory about what the "absolutely crazy idea that would destroy the series" was.  :laugh:

Thank God this didn't happen

Quote from: skhellter on Jun 19, 2021, 02:50:39 PMNowadays when i look at weird story ideas in Alien i think back to Blue Marsalis..

A lot of these weirder "no that could never work" concepts can be good and compelling in the hands of the right writer,
done with the right care, with proper themes and stakes in place.
(They could've gotten away with the biomech suit idea too if written well.. and if the final design didn't look like a halloween costume).

Was there any actual screenwriter attached to this or was it just Blomkamp going at it alone?

Yeah not the ideas I found out... 😂 Suitable for a NES game perhaps.

my theory on what those ideas are/were....

Spoiler

... a squad of mutant xeno-human-soldiers :laugh:

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What was clear to me is that Blomkamp thinks more in terms of video games narrative wise, but not at the level of Dead Space, say. There's a pretentious term for this — Ludonarrative dissonance or consistency, Blomkamp is the former lol

Gran Turismo is his next movie, go figure.  😂

so there was a final NES style boss fight.  :laugh:

I heard a quote recently about Blomkamp via the "No Such Thing As A Bad Movie" podcast, where Blomkamp said that he doesn't like reading books, he just likes things that look cool.
It's safe to say this is reflected in his movies.

And there's more to it than just his crappy ideas but I can't get into specifics publicly. He did call Denis Villeneuve a "f**king asshole" on twitter for comments Villeneuve made about the MCU (all he said is that they follow a cut and paste formula, based Villeneuve btw 😂), you just don't do that. He tried to save face and claimed he was being sarcastic and that he loves Villeneuve, but he did a similar thing when Covenant was released; saying how chuffed he was for it after some salty tweets. In short, his attitude sucks.

childish man makes childish stories.

that tracks.

Can someone at least confirm there was a full script for Alien 5 ready to go like Cameron and co claimed or just a 10 page treatment like Scott says?

There was a scriptment apparently. (Blend of both, a detailed lengthy treatment with lots of scenes and dialogue).

Quote from: skhellter on Jun 27, 2023, 03:09:39 PMThere was a scriptment apparently. (Blend of both, a detailed lengthy treatment with lots of scenes and dialogue).

So Blomkamp joins Cameron and Bay as one of the few people to make one of those.  :laugh:

Quote from: T Dog on Jun 27, 2023, 07:31:16 AMI heard a quote recently about Blomkamp via the "No Such Thing As A Bad Movie" podcast, where Blomkamp said that he doesn't like reading books, he just likes things that look cool.
It's safe to say this is reflected in his movies.

OMG Then I don't know how the hell anyone at Fox even considered his ideas for an Alien 5 of noteworthiness.

Quote from: Necronomicon II on Jun 27, 2023, 08:10:12 AMAnd there's more to it than just his crappy ideas but I can't get into specifics publicly. He did call Denis Villeneuve a "f**king asshole" on twitter for comments Villeneuve made about the MCU (all he said is that they follow a cut and paste formula, based Villeneuve btw 😂), you just don't do that. He tried to save face and claimed he was being sarcastic and that he loves Villeneuve, but he did a similar thing when Covenant was released; saying how chuffed he was for it after some salty tweets. In short, his attitude sucks.

Denis Villeneuve is the man.

Like, I don't like AVP, I hate the concept actually. But I'd take an AVP movie over the ideas Blomkamp was putting out.

Quote from: Still Collating... on Jun 27, 2023, 09:01:24 PM

Quote from: T Dog on Jun 27, 2023, 07:31:16 AMI heard a quote recently about Blomkamp via the "No Such Thing As A Bad Movie" podcast, where Blomkamp said that he doesn't like reading books, he just likes things that look cool.
It's safe to say this is reflected in his movies.

OMG Then I don't know how the hell anyone at Fox even considered his ideas for an Alien 5 of noteworthiness.

The execs don't read books either.

Quote from: Necronomicon II on Jun 27, 2023, 03:07:21 AMWhat was clear to me is that Blomkamp thinks more in terms of video games narrative wise, but not at the level of Dead Space, say. There's a pretentious term for this — Ludonarrative dissonance or consistency, Blomkamp is the former lol

Gran Turismo is his next movie, go figure.  😂

can't help but notice that Necro didn't outright deny my theory so i'll take it as silent confirmation.  ;D

Quote from: Still Collating... on Jun 27, 2023, 09:01:24 PM

Quote from: T Dog on Jun 27, 2023, 07:31:16 AMI heard a quote recently about Blomkamp via the "No Such Thing As A Bad Movie" podcast, where Blomkamp said that he doesn't like reading books, he just likes things that look cool.
It's safe to say this is reflected in his movies.

OMG Then I don't know how the hell anyone at Fox even considered his ideas for an Alien 5 of noteworthiness.

Fox approved Prometheus and Covenant, so...