One of my favorite movies is the 1982 movie John Carpenter's The Thing. This terrifying alien species was also featured in some Dark Horse Comics, and eventually a video game.
I started this thread to discuss for fun, and I want you to please post your opinion regarding what you think would happen if either an Alien or a Predator came in contact with John Carpenter's The Thing.
If the Alien (Xenomorph) or Predator was to come in contact with The Thing, would either species be able to defend themselves against becoming infected by The Thing? Keep in mind that one cell is enough for The Thing to start assimilating and take over an entire organism creating a perfect imitation! So The Thing is capable of mimicking ANY species at a micro cellular level.
In my opinion, the Predator's technology (vision modes) would be incapable of telling the difference between what is an actual Alien or Predator and what is The Thing...what do you think?
The Thing wins, hands down. It'd infect either one, and then that's it, game over.
Nope...I don't see The Thing getting past the Alien's acidic blood.
It may try to duplicate it, but would ultimately fail as soon as it breached the Alien's exoskeleton.
Quote from: Sabres21768 on Aug 01, 2009, 09:51:22 AM
Nope...I don't see The Thing getting past the Alien's acidic blood.
It may try to duplicate it, but would ultimately fail as soon as it breached the Alien's exoskeleton.
The Thing would instantly assimilate and adapt to that, however. That's
what the Thing does. :p Just because Alien acid is potent acid doesn't make it some sort of unstoppable mystery substance that annihilates anything it comes into contact with. It's just acid. If the Thing can adapt to and replicate human stomach acid, I don't see why it couldn't handle Alien acid blood.
Not to mention the biggest flaw in your claim: by replicating the Alien's exoskeleton, the Thing would be acid-proof anyway. :P
Just because The Thing can replicate stomache acid doesn't mean it can replicate MOLECULAR acid.
It can replicate anything...every damn cell in it's body is ALIVE for christ's sake. So I say THE THING would win any day of the damn week, this is really no contest.
Quote from: Sabres21768 on Aug 01, 2009, 12:22:52 PM
Just because The Thing can replicate stomache acid doesn't mean it can replicate MOLECULAR acid.
You realize that ALL acids are molecular acids (http://wiki.answers.com/Q/What_is_a_example_of_molecular_acid), right? :P That link even specifically references 'Alien' and points out how meaningless the term "molecular acid" is.
Alien "blood" eats through things acid can't.
I agree with you Xenomrph and ShadowPred. The Thing can replicate anything, and I strongly agree with the article "What is a example of molecular acid?" on the fact that ALL the substances we call "acids" are molecules. Thanks for the link, Xenomrph. :)
Biologically, it is a superior organism.
That being said, I think that Predators and Aliens could put up a good fight against it.
Quote from: Xhan on Aug 01, 2009, 07:37:35 PM
Alien "blood" eats through things acid can't.
What do you mean by that? I'm no expert on acids - the only chemistry classes I took were in high school.
That said, I'm still confident that the Thing could replicate Alien "blood" without an issue.
I'd think the Predator *might* be able to put up more of a fight, but the Alien is f**ked. It closes to melee range, merely
touches a Thing, and the Thing instantly wins. Physical attacks don't do anything to the Thing because every piece of it is its own organism. You have to destroy
every cell and Aliens just don't have that ability. Predators might be able to pull it off if they resorted to their plasma weaponry.
EXACTLY. Even if the damn predator or alien can touch THE THING...then the fight is already over, merely touching it will get you "killed"...The Thing will win and just spread afterwards.
On the topic of Alien "blood", Wikipedia had an interesting comment:
QuoteIn the Aliens vs. Predator: Requiem documentary: "Science of the Alien", it is theorized that the aliens' acid blood could be some type of "hydrosulphuric acid" composition due to its corrosiveness and the conspicuously toxic effects on living human tissue. The documentary also speculates that Aliens are immune to their own acidic and toxic liquids due to a endobiological build-up similar to the human stomach's ability to protect itself from its digestive fluids. The documentary takes this theory one step further and speculates that the Alien organisms protection system against its own toxic hydro sulphuric acid is protecting the rest of the organism with what is basically a bio-organic produced teflon isolation.
I'm with Xenomrph. Alien and Predator are screwed. Yes, Alien acid eats through plenty. But there's also clearly stuff it doesn't burn through.
Well, the Alien has to make contact with it in order to kill a thing, the Predator doesn't, he can just blow it away, so I'm not sure about Predator getting owned by default.
Quote from: Johnny Handsome on Aug 02, 2009, 12:42:08 AM
Well, the Alien has to make contact with it in order to kill a thing, the Predator doesn't, he can just blow it away, so I'm not sure about Predator getting owned by default.
I guess it'd depend on how many Predators opt to use their ranged weapons by default, instead of doing the "more challenging/honorable" thing and trying to score a melee "kill" (and then instantly losing).
Okay, great, the Predator shoots it.
That just makes it explode into tinier Things, each one entirely capable of assimilating a Predator on its own.
Well, a group of people managed to kill some things, can't see why a Predator couldn't do the same.
All you need is a flamethrower, i think a species which developed interstellar space travel, cloaking device and several hightech weapons could come up with something like that :P
No doubt Preds would stand a chance, but if they happened to go hunting as normal and ran into them, I doubt their usual equipment would be much help.
It wouldn't, because they are not dealing with something physical to hunt, they are dealing with a virus, basically. So it would be uninteresting for them in the first place. By scanning their objects i think they would realise that soon enough and would develop something for it.
I don't know if I'd agree with uninteresting. I think bagging an organism that constantly changes its basic cell structure would be something worth bragging about. :P
Seeing as we don't know if there's a substance that ALLOWS the TFAW mechanic to even TAKE PLACE, I'm not assuming anything. A facehugger has a carbon interface to glomp carbon lifeforms which COULD be a weakness. An Adult may not, especially if it doesn't have tasty carbon to begin with.
Secondly, Predators have some serious catalytic fluorine action going on. For all we know Pred sweat is completely 100% lethal to the TFAW.
Same for Aliens, a species that is compatible with Dogs, People, Jockeys, and Preds... that's pretty goddamn virulent in it's own right. Jockeys don't even seem to have the same setup as the two terrestrial morphologies in particular. For all we know Jockeys designed/stole Aliens to EAT the TFAW. Fire sure as hell kills the TFAW, it doesn't kill Adult Aliens. Thinking the Narcissus Engines would turned the things into kentucky f**ked virus.
Doesn't seem quite so cut and dried.
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I think bagging an organism that constantly changes its basic cell structure would be something worth bragging about
Would that be what goes next the dread Invisible Stalker?
"No Seriously, I totally like pinky swear on my tusks it's not
actually a parakeet, its a...
space monster... no really."
Quote from: Xhan on Aug 02, 2009, 06:26:54 AM
Fire sure as hell kills the TFAW,
The one found at the Norwegian camp had been burned, but was still active. Fire can and does kill it, but not always.
Quoteit doesn't kill Adult Aliens.
And?
QuoteThinking the Narcissus Engines would turned the things into kentucky f**ked virus.
Good luck getting it there in the first place.
The Thing just needs one cell to start assimilating. It can go in through the skin first, working from the outside in, just like we see happen with Gary. Alien skin is immune to its own acid; start with the skin, start working down, acid is no longer an issue.
Quote from: Xhan on Aug 02, 2009, 06:26:54 AM
Secondly, Predators have some serious catalytic flourine action going on. For all we know Pred sweat is completely 100% lethal to the TFAW.
Could you elaborate on this?
Quote from: ShadowPred on Aug 01, 2009, 01:32:16 PM
It can replicate anything...every damn cell in it's body is ALIVE for christ's sake. So I say THE THING would win any day of the damn week, this is really no contest.
And I say you're completely wrong, for Christ's sake.
So, I say the Alien would win...any day of the damn week, NO CONTEST.
And I'm going to yell and act like a complete douche...just like you, over something as completely ridiculous as this thread. ;)
Quote from: Sabres21768 on Aug 03, 2009, 10:30:53 AM
Quote from: ShadowPred on Aug 01, 2009, 01:32:16 PM
It can replicate anything...every damn cell in it's body is ALIVE for christ's sake. So I say THE THING would win any day of the damn week, this is really no contest.
And I say you're completely wrong, for Christ's sake.
So, I say the Alien would win...any day of the damn week, NO CONTEST.
And I'm going to yell and act like a complete douche...just like you, over something as completely ridiculous as this thread. ;)
The difference here is that he's right and you're wrong. ;)
Seriously though, I never got the impression that he was yelling or being a douche. ??? He was just citing one of the basic creature properties of the Thing.
Don't forget The Thing can do perfect imitations. It could imitate a predator and kill them that way, through deception.
Well, I'd wonder how the Thing would handle replicating Predator technology, now that I think about it. Like, the Thing could handle replicating clothing and the like when it would imitate people, but I somehow doubt the Thing would be able to handle, say, replicating the Predator's cloaking field or other gadgets on the wrist gauntlets, etc. Maybe it'd be able to handle the wristblades since it can seemingly duplicate any substance, but I'd say it would be hard-pressed to replicate an actual firing imitation of the shoulder cannon.
Quote from: Übermensch on Aug 03, 2009, 11:40:14 AM
Don't forget The Thing can do perfect imitations. It could imitate a predator and kill them that way, through deception.
Exactly. I was thinking that as well.
I also think that after a Predator would be completely imitated by The Thing, then The Thing would now have the Predator's knowledge (imitating its brain) and The Thing would probably know how to operate the Predator technology and work the weapons that were on the actual Predator. That would be a very bad Thing!
That's a good point, I didn't consider that. When the Thing consumes a person, it isn't always made clear what happens to that person's clothes... but the person's clothes later get imitated by the Thing itself (even synthetic fabrics, metal buttons and zippers, etc). I wonder if the Thing would consume the organic Predator, leaving behind his gear on the ground, and then the Thing would just... wear the gear. That seems to make enough sense to me.
Nobody has considered the thermo-nuclear device attached to the Predator's arm.
Or is that cheating?
Well that's a bit of a wild-card. I mean, under what circumstances would he use it? Would he use it if he were infected and opted to take himself out? And even then, would he necessarily know he was infected before it was too late?
Heheh, yeah I guess I just imagine a scenario where the Predator goes "Holy sh*t!" and makes a run for it. But not before lobbing his 'bomb' at The Thing.
But if (let's just put it out there) I was a Preator, and I was watching myself get absorbed by those tentacles, then I probably would start the detonation sequence. Also, there's the issue of honour. Assuming I knew, I would do all I could to prevent The Thing from taking over the galaxy-nay- the UNIVERSE!!!
Quote from: Xenomrph on Aug 03, 2009, 11:21:39 AM
Quote from: Sabres21768 on Aug 03, 2009, 10:30:53 AM
Quote from: ShadowPred on Aug 01, 2009, 01:32:16 PM
It can replicate anything...every damn cell in it's body is ALIVE for christ's sake. So I say THE THING would win any day of the damn week, this is really no contest.
And I say you're completely wrong, for Christ's sake.
So, I say the Alien would win...any day of the damn week, NO CONTEST.
And I'm going to yell and act like a complete douche...just like you, over something as completely ridiculous as this thread. ;)
The difference here is that he's right and you're wrong. ;)
Seriously though, I never got the impression that he was yelling or being a douche. ??? He was just citing one of the basic creature properties of the Thing.
^^^^^^^^^^^^
Quote from: Xenomrph on Aug 03, 2009, 11:21:39 AM
Quote from: Sabres21768 on Aug 03, 2009, 10:30:53 AM
Quote from: ShadowPred on Aug 01, 2009, 01:32:16 PM
It can replicate anything...every damn cell in it's body is ALIVE for christ's sake. So I say THE THING would win any day of the damn week, this is really no contest.
And I say you're completely wrong, for Christ's sake.
So, I say the Alien would win...any day of the damn week, NO CONTEST.
And I'm going to yell and act like a complete douche...just like you, over something as completely ridiculous as this thread. ;)
The difference here is that he's right and you're wrong. ;)
Seriously though, I never got the impression that he was yelling or being a douche. ??? He was just citing one of the basic creature properties of the Thing.
No...the real difference is I'm absolutely right and he's incredibly wrong...and you don't know what you're talking about.
But then...all this is to be expected on this board. ;D
In all seriousness...nobody is right and nobody is wrong. It's a ridiculous question and argument to begin with.
It's like asking "What if a Facehugger jumped on a zombie...would we have undead Xenomorphs?"
So...you say tomato...I say tomato...and in the end...it doesn't matter in the least.
Well I suspect you would be singing a different tune if you were actually right. ;) Sure it's all a hypothetical argument, but there *is* such a thing as a right answer with some hypothetical arguments.
And sure it doesn't matter, but if it wasn't fun to discuss it then this thread wouldn't have gone on for multiple pages with multiple people getting involved. :)
Quote from: Xenomrph on Aug 03, 2009, 09:38:16 PM
Sure it's all a hypothetical argument, but there *is* such a thing as a right answer with some hypothetical arguments.
Exactly. 8)
I still agree with you Xenomrph on your views about The Thing infecting an Alien or a Predator, and I think that you certainly do know what you're talking about regarding this and have the right answer. :)
The Thing: 13.7 million in the USA
Alien: 80.9 million in the USA.
Predator: 59.7 million USA
Just going with USA grosses, as it was the only data given on the Thing at http://www.the-numbers.com/movies/
So, I have to give the winner of these contests, in my fiscally materialistic fashion to Alien, by FAR.
Predator as well fared much better than the TFAW.
We can argue about cells and copying all day long, but I think based on the numbers it ought to go down like this:
Predator vs. thing:
Predator takes off its jock strap, mounts TFAW, and is somehow immune to TFAW infection as he rapes it. TFAW has the most shocked look on all of its 10+ different faces as it hopelessly tries to turn into some other creature that may stand a chance at escaping the vile penetration of the Predator. When the Predator gets done, he turns on his self destruct device and rams it in one TFAW's plethora of anus's. He then gets into his space ship and gives a high five to all his Pred buddies as they take off leaving the crying sobbing TFAW to is crispy vaporous fate.
Alien vs. TFAW:
Unfortunately TFAW surived the pred-bomb, barely, by separating itself from the anus that had the bomb in it. The remained of TFAW then crawled into a hole just fast enough that it survived but is badly burnt and in extreme agony.
Worse for TFAW an Alien has been awakened from some underground temple, and made its way to the surface. The Alien sees the crispy agonized TFAW, and decides it would be a great place to take a leak. The last gimps of the world around it the TFAW sees as the Alien whips out it's hermaphrodite giger-esque shlong and pisses acid all over it. TFAW dissolves into a sterile puddle of smoldering ooze from the golden shower of Xenomorph urine.
I have no idea what I just read. :-X
Quote from: Meathead320 on Aug 04, 2009, 11:52:16 PM
Unfortunately TFAW surived the pred-bomb, barely, by separating itself from the anus that had the bomb in it.
My god, that's funny! :D
QuotePredator takes off its jock strap, mounts TFAW, and is somehow immune to TFAW infection as he rapes it.
Trojan coated in Thingecide (TM).
Quote from: Meathead320 on Aug 04, 2009, 11:52:16 PM
The Thing: 13.7 million in the USA
Alien: 80.9 million in the USA.
Predator: 59.7 million USA
Just going with USA grosses, as it was the only data given on the Thing at http://www.the-numbers.com/movies/
::)
I didn't start this thread to discuss the financial aspects of the movies. As far as your other comments go, I have to agree with Xenomrph. :)
Greetings Predator Collector... I see that you have a very keen eye for a wonderful sci fi movie monster as "The Thing" really was...
Such a fascinating monster it is...devouring its prey while at the same time also mimicking it at a micro cellular level!
After very careful handling and some rigorous studying of the creature known only as the THING...I have concluded that ANY living organism would be no match for its takeover...and thus, in the end...a mighty race as we Yautja are, would be ended, quite violently too! In fact, its my thought that the THING could be why some preds go "bad blood" on us! Perhaps , perhaps not...only the writers will know it for sure!
In any case, weather you are a xenomorph warrior, a xenomorph queen, a battle crazed Pred, or just a human in a winter wasteland...your all just fresh meat to John Carpenters THE THING!
Quote from: ScrapIron_Pred on Aug 05, 2009, 07:22:53 AM
Greetings Predator Collector... I see that you have a very keen eye for a wonderful sci fi movie monster as "The Thing" really was...
Thank you ScrapIron_Pred.
Yes, The Thing truly is a fascinating sci-fi movie monster.
I think that your views are frank but true regarding The Thing infecting an Alien or a Predator. You have a very interesting theory on the "Bad Blood" Predators. If only the writers would tell us! LOL. :D
BTW I noticed that your very first post is on this thread. Welcome to the forum. :)
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No...the real difference is I'm absolutely right and he's incredibly wrong...and you don't know what you're talking about.
Uh.....no.
Quote from: Predator Collector on Aug 05, 2009, 04:04:41 AM
Quote from: Meathead320 on Aug 04, 2009, 11:52:16 PM
The Thing: 13.7 million in the USA
Alien: 80.9 million in the USA.
Predator: 59.7 million USA
Just going with USA grosses, as it was the only data given on the Thing at http://www.the-numbers.com/movies/
::)
I didn't start this thread to discuss the financial aspects of the movies. As far as your other comments go, I have to agree with Xenomrph. :)
Too much seriousness in the thread, I figured I would try to lighten things up, and make a joke. I realize the thing is a supervirus that just takes things over, but I wanted to add some humor ;D
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.toastmasters.org%2FImageLibrary%2FMagazineSection%2F307MagazineImages%2F305AddHumor.aspx&hash=5183c8bbf71b63e306ba9f9205eeab3c0afcf33a)
a silly question to ask on an avp forum dont you think??? its bound to be aliens... ???
They're all aliens. ;)
But The Thing is the most unstoppable of them.
Quote from: Meathead320 on Aug 05, 2009, 06:04:06 PM
Too much seriousness in the thread, I figured I would try to lighten things up, and make a joke. I realize the thing is a supervirus that just takes things over, but I wanted to add some humor ;D
Comedy? On the
internet? That's crazy talk! >:(
I could also argue that just making a tougher more unstopable monster does not make it more cool.
Its like comparing Goku to Superman. Yeah, Goku is stronger, I could make a fictional character stronger than either, does that make it more interesting? Will it have a comic book last for 71 years just because he is tougher?
While TFAW is a tough creature, it ranks lower on my cool factor than the Predator or Alien.
Besides Chuck Norris would own TFAW.
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one thing: TFAW mimmicks his victims it doesn't duplicate them. even if it can atempt to absorb an alien, the acid would burn it. it can't defend itself from the acid, it just acts too fast to be incorporated.
"now; this is no dog, its an imitation."
[whats is TFAW by the way?]
The Thing From Another World. It's the name of the original 1950s movie that 'The Thing' is a remake of (which is in turn based on a 1930s novella "Who Goes There?"). It also happens to be the name that was used for the comic series that were based on 'The Thing' movie.
However, it's a perfect imitation, at the cellular level. By copying the Alien's exoskeleton, which is immune to the acid, it would become immune to the acid itself and then be able to copy the acid at its leisure.
fag
Quote from: Alexa Chung on Aug 06, 2009, 01:50:49 AM
Off-topic, but I like playing with the relationship...
Off topic but is that you in your avatar, if so, you're hot. :-*
Geez, can't take you anywhere....
;D
Quote from: Meathead320 on Aug 06, 2009, 12:05:26 AM
While TFAW is a tough creature, it ranks lower on my cool factor than the Predator or Alien.
I honestly don't expect Alien fans or Predator fans to think that The Thing is more cool, especially on an AvP forum. However, I think that this thread I started is not only fun to read at times, but very interesting. :)
Personally, I think that Alien, Predator, and The Thing are ALL a unique alien species. I myself like Predator and The Thing simply because Predator is the ultimate alien hunter, but The Thing is the ultimate in alien terror. :o
You are quite right Xenomrph. The Thing can do a perfect imitation, at the cellular level.
Quote from: Meathead320 on Aug 06, 2009, 12:05:26 AM
I could also argue that just making a tougher more unstopable monster does not make it more cool.
Its like comparing Goku to Superman. Yeah, Goku is stronger, I could make a fictional character stronger than either, does that make it more interesting? Will it have a comic book last for 71 years just because he is tougher?
While TFAW is a tough creature, it ranks lower on my cool factor than the Predator or Alien.
Besides Chuck Norris would own TFAW.
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Yeah...with all the Chuck Norris hype going around...maybe he would beat The Thing....then again...maybe the The Thing would beat him instead....Naw, Chuck is too strong to let that happen, isn't he?
You know, I think I smell a new thread in this...Chuck Norris vs AVP! 8)
In any case...I can see where laughter is the best medicine when the terrifying "Thing" is on the loose...then again...what is that behind you? :)
Seriously though...I'm not saying that The Thing is cooler...or that it should have a long lived comic series... I'm just saying that the Thing should be approached with caution...even for an Alien's sake...
After all, we don't need any imitations of you running around...do we? ;D
Quote from: Meathead320 on Aug 06, 2009, 03:16:39 AM
Quote from: Alexa Chung on Aug 06, 2009, 01:50:49 AM
Off-topic, but I like playing with the relationship...
Off topic but is that you in your avatar, if so, you're hot. :-*
Of course it is. A/S/L?
:D Zing!
Quote from: ShadowPred on Aug 05, 2009, 04:43:03 PM
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No...the real difference is I'm absolutely right and he's incredibly wrong...and you don't know what you're talking about.
Uh.....no.
Uh...yeah.
It depends on the weapons that The Predator has. It can go either way.
Have you even seen the movie?
the only things that can kill the Thing are fire and explosions. so the wrist detonator would work but the Pred may have been infected by then.
It would be impossible for anything from either of the two species to avoid, destroy, or resist The Thing in any way at all.
The Thing is just about the most powerful/unstoppable fictional alien to ever exist.
Quote from: crazygoji on Aug 08, 2009, 06:42:54 PM
It would be impossible for anything from either of the two species to avoid, destroy, or resist The Thing in any way at all.
The Thing is just about the most powerful/unstoppable fictional alien to ever exist.
except if you are a robot.
Quote from: crazygoji on Aug 08, 2009, 06:42:54 PMIt would be impossible for anything from either of the two species to avoid, destroy, or resist The Thing in any way at all.
The Thing is just about the most powerful/unstoppable fictional alien to ever exist.
Then how come two humans managed to destroy it, and escape uninfected? I can see a predator take it down with fire or some kind of plasma technology, if it knows what it's up against.
Quote from: Shasvre on Aug 09, 2009, 07:43:54 AM
Then how come two humans managed to destroy it, and escape uninfected?
Except the whole
or did they?! aspect of the end of the film, where it's left entirely in the air as to whether either was or wasn't infected.
Quote from: SiL on Aug 09, 2009, 08:12:07 AMExcept the whole or did they?! aspect of the end of the film, where it's left entirely in the air as to whether either was or wasn't infected.
It has been a while since I saw the movie. Were there any indications that any of them were infected?
Still, they managed to kill it, didn't they?
I need to watch this again. But I still think a fully armed predator who knows what he's up against should be able to take down The Thing. Hell, he could probably use some of Wolf's blue liquid and be done with it in a matter of seconds. :D
That would suck however...
a drop of the things blood can contaminate so i think its the winner... plus if anyones played the game (i know its not strictly a sequal) one of the 2 servivors are not where they were in the movie, the black guy is there but the other is not... maybe he was infected.
Quote from: Shasvre on Aug 09, 2009, 07:31:54 PM
Still, they managed to kill it, didn't they?
If one of them was infected, no, not as such :P
Quote from: SiL on Aug 09, 2009, 10:03:51 PM
Quote from: Shasvre on Aug 09, 2009, 07:31:54 PM
Still, they managed to kill it, didn't they?
If one of them was infected, no, not as such :P
i found it strange when the Black guy was seen walking outside the base and then appered later on, he may have been infected.
Do we know at what point during the story
Spoiler
Palmer (the guy who 'Thing's out' during the climax of the blood test scene)
was replicated? Or are we just supposed to use our imagination?
Quote from: Shasvre on Aug 09, 2009, 07:43:54 AM
Then how come two humans managed to destroy it, and escape uninfected? I can see a predator take it down with fire or some kind of plasma technology, if it knows what it's up against.
If the two humans (Childs and MacReady) were uninfected at the end of the movie, that was basically because they were fortunate never to come into physical contact with The Thing.
If a human, Alien, or a Predator came into physical contact with The Thing and became infected, game over. Yes, the Predator would have to know what he's up against, but the problem with that is The Thing can infect a living being and create a perfect imitation of something innocent looking, like an animal. So it would be very easy for The Thing to surprise attack a Predator and infect him that way.
The comics and video game clearly show that The Thing survived after the movie. I myself wasn't surprised. ;)
Wolf liquid is made of nanobots, isn't?
That would give preds some advantage
Quote from: Shasvre on Aug 09, 2009, 07:43:54 AMThen how come two humans managed to destroy it, and escape uninfected? I can see a predator take it down with fire or some kind of plasma technology, if it knows what it's up against.
What PredatorCollector said.
This is my speculation on how battles between predators, aliens and the thing would go.
Alien plan of attack.
While undetected during imitation, when changing, the thing would stick out like a sore thumb to all in the hive. They would attack it in the traditional manner. Of coarse, this would result in several drones becoming infected. However, they do learn fast and would soon realize their predicament. Most likely, after moving the queen and her eggsack to a safe location, they would use the environment to their advantage. This hive would be in contact with humans, so, being an alien planet, their would be an atmosphere processor. They would lure it there, cocoon up all the entrances and leave several drones inside to destroy the cooling system. In four hours, no more thing.
Predator plan of attack.
Predators would have far more options available, but they have the most simple solution. After several of their own got infected, it would be agreed upon to just blow the damn thing up. They would know how to test who was uninfected, probably in a similar manner to MacReady's blood test. After determining who is still pure, get all them out, send in some warriors. Wrist bombs armed, they hold it there and boom. No more thing.
If humans managed to put up a decent fight (hey, they did pretty damn good man), xenomorphs and predators would have a good chance as well.
QuoteThey would lure it there, cocoon up all the entrances and leave several drones inside to destroy the cooling system. In four hours, no more thing.
Except Aliens don't seem to appreciate the ramifications of a ruptured cooling system.
Quote from: TheMonolith on Aug 10, 2009, 02:53:27 AM
This is my speculation on how battles between predators, aliens and the thing would go.
Interesting speculation. However, I think that your "Alien plan of attack" and "Predator plan of attack" is debatable. :)
So if a Thing takes over an Alien and a Predator shoots it and gets acided, but survives - the Thing in the Alien's acid blood cells will still take over the Predator.
Righteous.
Quote from: TheMonolith on Aug 10, 2009, 02:53:27 AM
Alien plan of attack.
While undetected during imitation, when changing, the thing would stick out like a sore thumb to all in the hive. They would attack it in the traditional manner. Of coarse, this would result in several drones becoming infected. However, they do learn fast and would soon realize their predicament. Most likely, after moving the queen and her eggsack to a safe location, they would use the environment to their advantage. This hive would be in contact with humans, so, being an alien planet, their would be an atmosphere processor. They would lure it there, cocoon up all the entrances and leave several drones inside to destroy the cooling system. In four hours, no more thing.
This assumes ... a lot, really.
Such as, Aliens understanding the relationship between the cooling system and the processor, Aliens understanding that fire and explosions hurt The Thing, etc. Also, those few infected Aliens - why do they not go and assimilate more Aliens? What happens to them?
The Aliens outrun them? How?
In slow motion of course.
The fact the AP Station was falling down around the Queen's ears and she sat there doing sweet FA, shows Aliens don't really get the concept of malfunctioning cooling systems.
Shame really. Seeing as the original Alien was smart enough to know when to bug out. Cheers, Jimbo.
They could cut the power, but not realise that the hive exploding was maybe a sign they needed to maybe leave. I love continuity!
Quote from: SM on Aug 10, 2009, 06:18:37 AM
So if a Thing takes over an Alien and a Predator shoots it and gets acided, but survives - the Thing in the Alien's acid blood cells will still take over the Predator.
Righteous.
I honestly was thinking of that as well. ;D
QuoteThey could cut the power, but not realise that the hive exploding was maybe a sign they needed to maybe leave. I love continuity!
"Is it just me or is it warm in here?"
"Ah... it's your imagination"
Quote from: TJ Doc on Aug 09, 2009, 11:03:42 PM
Do we know at what point during the story Spoiler
Palmer (the guy who 'Thing's out' during the climax of the blood test scene)
Remember when the Dog-Thing walks into someone's room, and you see their silhouette on the wall turn to look? That was him.
^ Ohhhhhhh...
But I though that was Norris.
I'm with Monolith on this...after all, there has to be some set of rules regarding the Thing...it can't just float into the center of a quasar and replicate the matter present...it's not perfect...so in my fantastically magic alterverse, were these three creatures meet (somehow), this is how it would play out:
ALIEN - We start at Stage One of the Alien life cycle, Thing has to be something moving already - searching for the next creature to replicate, it won't just sit still in ambush somewhere, it wants to spread...so Thing replicated creature strolls into a cave with our favorite alien's egg, it triggers the facehugger and allows itself to act as a host (I know, I'm stretching, but the Thing played along and allowed itself to be tied and tested before it reacted violently), if anything, because it's like, "Hey! New creature to copy. Cool Beans!"...by now, facehugger has been doing it's thing and an embryo is on the way...FH comes off and a piece of Thing replicated creature comes off with it, starts doing it's thing, becomes a FH and scurries off, whatever...our Thing replicated creature gets up carrying a cute and cuddly lil' xeno embryo...embryo matures, Thing thing convulses and drops, alien born...Thing creature is not dead, so it gets back up and carries on doing Thing related things...chestburster matures, appearance is similar to whatever the Thing originally copied...extra bonus: auto-replicating exoskeleton, +Infinity stealth pts...alien gets up and continues doing xenomorph things...the end...
PREDATOR - Much simpler...predator mask picks up on whatever it is that the fat Doc with glasses (Blair?) saw through his old ass, early 80s era microscope (Predator tech pwns human tech, no contest here)...so our predator knows something is fishy in Chinatown with Thing replicated creature the minute is comes into view...it puffs it's chest out and plasma casts it...mask still picks up on molecular activity, plasma casts again - repeat...Thing thing is reduced to a pile of ash, or whatever...predator is mad he has no trophy, runs along all PMSing...the end...
Fuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuccck the Thing..!
DISCLAIMER: I love The Thing, great creature, great story...but this is AvP, sellouts...go blow the Thing on it's own forum... ;)
Quote from: Gates on Aug 10, 2009, 08:08:19 PM
I'm with Monolith on this...after all, there has to be some set of rules regarding the Thing...it can't just float into the center of a quasar and replicate the matter present...it's not perfect
However, we know it can replicate living organisms perfectly. If we don't know of limitations when replicating living organisms, why should we assign some to it?
Quote from: Gates on Aug 10, 2009, 08:08:19 PMDISCLAIMER: I love The Thing, great creature, great story...but this is AvP, sellouts...go blow the Thing on it's own forum... ;)
Hey, I love AvP and shit, but I'm just being honest here. :P We don't have to fellate Aliens and Predators just because this is an AvP forum, and condemn all other grudge-match contenders. :P
Replicate CARBON/PROTEIN organisms from Earth perfectly.
Organism from other worlds, maybe.... maybe not.
I will give props to the "Thing", however, isn't it possible the Aliens would simply start spitting large amounts of acid at it? After all, if they disintergrate it before it has a chance to adapt, that would be one feasible way of killing it.
Of course, I will concede, contact with a single Alien and instantaneous win.
I agree, "F" the Thing in the "A"
Quote from: Xhan on Aug 10, 2009, 11:52:21 PM
Replicate CARBON/PROTEIN organisms from Earth perfectly.
Organism from other worlds, maybe.... maybe not.
I'm not sure how much that matters, though - we know the Thing is from another planet as well, so why wouldn't it be able to mimic organisms from other worlds? I mean, that's the Thing's entire gimmick.
Sure we don't have actual evidence in the movie that it could, say, replicate silicon-based lifeforms or whatever, but we also don't have evidence that it can't. It can seemingly replicate synthetic materials (the clothes the people wore, etc). I guess I'm just willing to give it the benefit of the doubt, since "mimicking organisms" is its whole gimmick.
Quote from: Xenomrph on Aug 10, 2009, 10:32:48 PM
However, we know it can replicate living organisms perfectly. If we don't know of limitations when replicating living organisms, why should we assign some to it?
Because I'm god in my 'fantastically magic
alterverse' and I say they do... :P
QuoteHey, I love AvP and shit, but I'm just being honest here. :P We don't have to fellate Aliens and Predators just because this is an AvP forum, and condemn all other grudge-match contenders. :P
Where's your loyalty man..? I'm rallying the troops here..!
P.S. Loves 'fellate'... :D
This thread isn't about "loyalty", it's just a discussion. :P It's not like anyone who doesn't support AvP will get rounded off and sent to the concentration camps or something.
I mainly agree with Xenomrph. :)
I started this thread merely for discussion and I thought that it would be interesting to discuss. I may not agree 100% with EVERY single post by forum members, but again, this is merely for discussion.
I strongly advise that you watch the movie "John Carpenter's The Thing" if you have never seen the movie, or have not seen the movie in a long time before making your decision. You may choose whoever you want to agree with on this thread, but choose wisely. ;)
Quote from: Xenomrph on Aug 11, 2009, 01:30:27 AM
Quote from: Xhan on Aug 10, 2009, 11:52:21 PM
Replicate CARBON/PROTEIN organisms from Earth perfectly.
Organism from other worlds, maybe.... maybe not.
I'm not sure how much that matters, though - we know the Thing is from another planet as well, so why wouldn't it be able to mimic organisms from other worlds? I mean, that's the Thing's entire gimmick.
Sure we don't have actual evidence in the movie that it could, say, replicate silicon-based lifeforms or whatever, but we also don't have evidence that it can't. It can seemingly replicate synthetic materials (the clothes the people wore, etc). I guess I'm just willing to give it the benefit of the doubt, since "mimicking organisms" is its whole gimmick.
It matters a great deal.
And it's from another planet so like it can totally do stuff to things from
other planets is the old people = air dolphins = air dolphins = people schtick. Maybe it does, maybe it doesn't. Hell the TFAW could be deathly allergic to cinnamon. Or mercury. Or high frequency sound. Mimicry does not necessarily entail functionality or assumption of actual material properties... and judging by its apparent actual strength, assuming said properties would be a flaw rather than an asset.
A lot of claims are being made about the Thing's abilities as if they are irrefutable facts, but they are not. I don't believe a Thing can assimilate an enemy by merely touching them; All of the assimilations seen in the movie were quite violent, involving more than just touching. It was not verified that a single cell could infect an entire organism, it was only speculated by the character Fuchs, who seemed to be out of his depth.
THE THING was a great movie, but it is clear to me that the how/when/why logic of the way the creature worked was not thought through very much. The Thing's abilities are open to endless, endless debate.
It's perfectly plausible that a Thing could infect an Alien. It is equally plausible that the Alien's acidic body chemistry could make it immune to assimilation.
With that said, I would find an Alien/Thing match-up interesting only if the Alien were immune, and not just because I'm a bigger ALIEN fan. I say this because if the Thing could take over an Alien, then it really would be no contest. There could be some cool fighting, but the result would be a foregone conclusion. Who wants that? With the infection factor eliminated, we could concentrate on how badass the battles could be. Imagine what kind of creatures the Thing would imitate in order to fight the Alien, and how the Alien would react to each new incarnation. That would rock!
As for the Predators, they would do at least as well against the Thing (probably much better) as humans could do. One of their vision modes could probably detect the Thing, or maybe they couldn't. Either possibility is legit.
Quote from: Xhan on Aug 11, 2009, 08:29:39 AM
Mimicry does not necessarily entail functionality or assumption of actual material properties... and judging by its apparent actual strength, assuming said properties would be a flaw rather than an asset.
But with the Thing being a "perfect" imitation, it
does entail duplicating properties down to the smallest detail. The Thing copied Norris all the way down to his heart condition, which ended up being a bit of a liability for it, for example.
Quote from: kelgaard on Aug 11, 2009, 09:51:35 AM
A lot of claims are being made about the Thing's abilities as if they are irrefutable facts, but they are not. I don't believe a Thing can assimilate an enemy by merely touching them; All of the assimilations seen in the movie were quite violent, involving more than just touching. It was not verified that a single cell could infect an entire organism, it was only speculated by the character Fuchs, who seemed to be out of his depth.
This isn't entirely true, Blair postulated that a single cell could take over an organism, as well, and even had computer simulations about the subject. Also, Blair and Windows were not "actively" assimilated - Windows was just infected through contact, as was Blair. We don't know when Norris was taken, but I suspect it was passive as well.
The dogs. Remember the dogs? That was very damn violent. If it wanted to stay hidden, it would have gone the passive route if it could. Just rub up against each one and end of story.It is made clear in the film that the assimilation process is a violent one.
Or perhaps it thought it could assimilate all the dogs more quickly by actively assimilating them, instead of attempting to do it passively and hoping it wasn't discovered and killed. Remember, Windows and Blair were infected through contact and not violent assimilation.
I'm not saying the assimilation process isn't violent, just that there's two ways to do it: passive and active.
How does passive differ from active in "Thinging" terms? ???
Quote from: Xenomrph on Aug 11, 2009, 02:22:59 PM
Quote from: Xhan on Aug 11, 2009, 08:29:39 AM
Mimicry does not necessarily entail functionality or assumption of actual material properties... and judging by its apparent actual strength, assuming said properties would be a flaw rather than an asset.
But with the Thing being a "perfect" imitation, it does entail duplicating properties down to the smallest detail. The Thing copied Norris all the way down to his heart condition, which ended up being a bit of a liability for it, for example.
He was still way stronger than he should have been, which again points to keeping some things separate, hence the giant form at the end, giant dog hydras not exactly found in nature.
Quote from: TJ Doc on Aug 11, 2009, 05:30:07 PM
How does passive differ from active in "Thinging" terms? ???
Might take longer.
Uhuh. So it would take it's time, be more careful, and the end result would be flawless, rather than a botch-job.
Hard to say. That would probably depend on whether it was intelligent enough to recognize flaws versus strengths on a creature it hadn't replicated before. We got the whole spider head thing and the dog attack, so we know that "sticking to the program" is voluntary or instinctual, but not mandatory.
Quote from: Xhan on Aug 11, 2009, 06:18:38 PM
Hard to say. That would probably depend on whether it was intelligent enough to recognize flaws versus strengths on a creature it hadn't replicated before. We got the whole spider head thing and the dog attack, so we know that "sticking to the program" is voluntary or instinctual, but not mandatory.
thats true, it seems fairly intelligent tho, it didnt show its self in the dog until everyone was out of sight and the same with parker, it didnt change until it was under threat of being exposed from the blood sample.
But that could also be instinctual as well, blend based on the old organisms mental engrams until alone.
Also, the blood test was meant to force the Thing to expose itself, similar to how it exposed itself due to the difribulation when Norris "Thinged out" and took out Copper.
Quote from: Xenomrph on Aug 11, 2009, 04:27:48 PM
Remember, Windows and Blair were infected through contact and not violent assimilation.
I'm not saying the assimilation process isn't violent, just that there's two ways to do it: passive and active.
Windows got his head swallowed and was thrashed around the room! How is that not violent!? As for Blair, one of the others must have gotten him, but we don't know how. All hell could have broken loose in that shed and no one would have been the wiser.
I meant more in the sense of "100% total assimilation with tentacles and shit" like with the dogs and Bennings. Windows was bitten on the head and thrashed around, and then tossed against the wall. Several minutes later, he was a Thing. No full-body assimilation, no tentacles, it stands to reason he was "infected".
Blair was human when he was locked up in the shed, and then he wasn't human later when they check on him and he's asking to be let out and he's saying he's all better. We can account for the locations of all the other characters, so we know none of them got to Blair to duplicate him, which means Blair was infected when he was elbows-deep in Thing corpses that he thought were dead (but weren't).
And we know all hell didn't break loose in the shed because they check on it later and there isn't blood and stuff all over the walls :P
Quote from: Xenomrph on Aug 11, 2009, 08:57:24 PM
Blair was human when he was locked up in the shed, and then he wasn't human later when they check on him and he's asking to be let out and he's saying he's all better. We can account for the locations of all the other characters, so we know none of them got to Blair to duplicate him, which means Blair was infected when he was elbows-deep in Thing corpses that he thought were dead (but weren't).
Somwhow he was infected in the house or when he was doing a post-mortem on the thing, i think this because he was building a space ship...
Yeah, that's what I mean - he wasn't actively taken over like Bennings or the dogs, he was infected via contact and slowly became a Thing over time. I bet he knew it, too - he goes from a raving lunatic who is shooting at people and trashing helicopters and tractors and radio equipment, to being calm and (semi) rational and asking to be let back inside because he's "all better".
i think when hes at the stage saying "im all better" he is the thing, trying to get inside to take over them all.
Quote from: Xenomrph on Aug 11, 2009, 04:27:48 PM
I'm not saying the assimilation process isn't violent, just that there's two ways to do it: passive and active.
Right. I strongly agree with that statement, and I also agree with your explanation on how Blair became infected.
Quote from: GrimyGhost on Aug 11, 2009, 09:40:44 PM
i think when hes at the stage saying "im all better" he is the thing, trying to get inside to take over them all.
That is highly possible. One of the reasons that I like this movie so much is it really makes you think. Great movie. 8)
Honestly, we really don't know a lot about TFAW.
It may have limitations to what it can/cannot infect/copy. I imagine it could infect a predator easily enough, not sure about the Alien. no idea what it has for an immune system, or exactly what they are made of. Event he Predator is still not proven it could infect.Then again, maybe it could. We don't know for sure, as we have had only one specimen to observe, and it infects human and mammal life easily enough.
It may also have an Achilles' heel.
If it has none other than fire, and can infect anything, then that makes it virtually unstoppable. You could nuke it, but if even a tiny bit remains...
Quote from: Meathead320 on Aug 12, 2009, 01:28:18 AM
You could nuke it, but if even a tiny bit remains...
And that tiny bit of Thing wasn't completely dead, watch out! :o
I want to see the Alien Queen battle a giant Thing behemoth. That would be a hell of a fight!
Giant THING Behemoth wins without any contest whatsoever.
Says you. Everyone should keep in mind that even if the Thing can't be killed outright, it can undoubtedly be beaten down to the point where it can't or won't fight anymore. No flesh and blood creature is inexhaustible. As for those who say the Thing could survive being nuked, even if a piece did remain, it would probably be dead from the explosion. Remember that the Palmer and Blair monsters were both killed using dynamite.
What i mean, every time i say that the thing wins....is that if any of these other creatures even so much as touch this THING, then they have lost the fight. Cus that's when it begins replicating the crap out of them....game over right there.
You got that right, ShadowPred. ;D
Quote from: ShadowPred on Aug 12, 2009, 09:50:30 PM
What i mean, every time i say that the thing wins....is that if any of these other creatures even so much as touch this THING, then they have lost the fight. Cus that's when it begins replicating the crap out of them....game over right there.
As long as it CAN assimilate them.
THANK you, Xhan. I like their enthusiasm, but I wish Thing proponents would realize that they can't take certain things for granted. We don't know that the Thing can assimilate any organism. We've only seen it imitate dogs and humans. In all the universe, there must be some creatures that are immune to infection and the Alien is a good candidate.
On the other side of the coin, how do we know that Alien acid has any effect on the Thing? The creature may be able to replicate an acid-proof skin without ever assimilating an Alien.
Let's look past the assimilation issue and focus on the more entertaining questions like how the fight would go down and what scenarios would bring them together!
Quote from: kelgaard on Aug 13, 2009, 08:32:07 AM
THANK you, Xhan. I like their enthusiasm, but I wish Thing proponents would realize that they can't take certain things for granted. We don't know that the Thing can assimilate any organism.
We don't know it for sure, but that is the implication based on the movie. The very premise is that the Thing can imitate anything. If we're going to disregard the creature's premise, why even have the discussion?
Quote from: kelgaard on Aug 13, 2009, 08:32:07 AMIn all the universe, there must be some creatures that are immune to infection and the Alien is a good candidate.
Why? Why must there be uninfectable creatures, and why is the Alien a good candidate?
I'm not disregarding the premise, I'm just pointing out that every rule has an exception.
Why have the discussion? Well, if we all agreed on the assimilation factor, there would be nothing left to say.
Why? Why ask why? It just seems likely that some, maybe even several, species can resist assimilation. We're talking millions of organisms here. I could just as easily ask why the Thing must be an unstopable juggernaut, but I already know what the answer would be: merely touch, one cell, no contest, blah blah. I've already mentioned why the Alien would be a good candidate.
I noticed that the one detail of my post you didn't question was the one that favored the Thing. I've just realized one serious advantage the Thing has that will make you happy: The Thing must be able to use weapons, right? If it was smart enough to build a spaceship in secret, it could surely pick up a gun and pull the trigger. In that case, maybe it really would be no contest, but I still maintain that the Alien would have roughly equal chances in a purely physical confrontation.
I'm not so sure on that one - in a purely physical confrontation, I suspect it would be a lot like the T-800 vs T-1000 fight in Terminator 2, with one of the combatants easily outmaneuvering the other through its ability to shape-shift. The T-800 won because it was able to out-think the T-1000 and use explosives against it; I doubt the Alien would have that kind of forethought.
Cutting and stabbing a Thing doesn't work because each piece is a whole, and it can just shape-shift to account for the physical damage anyway.
I'm sure an Alien would go berserk and rip the Thing up... I just don't think it would matter much. I'd think that, in a strictly physical match-up, without the Thing assimilating the Alien or whatever, at best they would destroy each other, and at worst the Thing would out-maneuver the Alien and create some way to puncture/constrict/crush the Alien to death.
I'm cool with that. If the Alien is the underdog, I can cheer for it even more. I always imagine these things in the context of taking place in a movie. I like to think that the climax of such a movie would involve the Queen battling a giant Thing monstrosity, with more and more Warriors joining in as the fight became more desperate. Lot's of ripping and tearing and terrible screaming coming from both sides. Just picture that hellishly cool imagery!
Quote from: Xenomrph on Aug 13, 2009, 10:03:22 AM
I'm not so sure on that one - in a purely physical confrontation, I suspect it would be a lot like the T-800 vs T-1000 fight in Terminator 2, with one of the combatants easily outmaneuvering the other through its ability to shape-shift. The T-800 won because it was able to out-think the T-1000 and use explosives against it; I doubt the Alien would have that kind of forethought.
Cutting and stabbing a Thing doesn't work because each piece is a whole, and it can just shape-shift to account for the physical damage anyway.
I'm sure an Alien would go berserk and rip the Thing up... I just don't think it would matter much. I'd think that, in a strictly physical match-up, without the Thing assimilating the Alien or whatever, at best they would destroy each other, and at worst the Thing would out-maneuver the Alien and create some way to puncture/constrict/crush the Alien to death.
If there Alien's acid blood also still works on TFAW, then it has even more of a fighting chance, but is still the underdog.
I've got 3 plausible scenarios, all depending on what is or is not in play. We can argue all day long as to what is or isn't in play, but depending on what is, we have at least these options, take your own personal pick.
Scenario1:
If the Alien is not immune to infection, enough is said it becomes a TFAW as soon as it touches one:
Winner: TFAW by touching and thereby infecting the Alien.
Scenario 2: The Alien is immune to TFAW but its acid is useless (
unlikely as the acid even burns through glass and industrial metals), but in this case the Alien's acid is compromised yet its immune system still fights off the TFAW virus nicely.
Winner: TFAW here, as it just has to become something in its history that can physically take on an Alien, or the little pieces of it that the Alien rips off eventually overcome the Alien. The T-1000 effect if you will.
Scenario 3: Alien is immune to infection and its acid blood is still in play. In the event where the Alien is immune to infection,then its Acid blood would also still be in play is what I consider more likely. In this Scenario the two are more evenly matched, or at least the Alien has an ok fighting chance.
Winner: 70% TFAW 30% Alien. In this event I still give it to TFAW most of the time, as the TFAW could end up in a lot of pieces. So many that if most of them are destroyed by the Alien acid, when they gang up on the Alien, there would still be at least one little piece left over. Even if it had to lose 99% of its matter to the Alien Acid to kill the Alien, it still has a surviving piece, and that makes it the winner.
If there was more than one Alien, several of them, then with their numbers they would have enough acid blood to more than dissolve the problem, and likely would still be at least one Alien alive remaining.
I've been working on a Predator vs The Thing fanfic for a while so I have been thinking on this question - glad I found this thread.
I believe that the Xenomorph acid blood would make it virtually impossible for the Thing to assimilate (unless it had already assimilated another organism that has a natural defence against the acid blood) but the Thing would have more advantage in adaptability to shapeshift to kill. Might take a tough fight, but the Thing will kill the Xenomorph.
The Yautjas would be similar to humans, apart from the technology. Yautja weapons and bio mask would give them a better advantage against the Thing compared to humans against the Thing.
Scenario in my fanfic without revealing too much (which is not stated in the story but implied) was that some Yautja on a hunt got taken by surprise by a prey that turned out to be a Thing - a Yautja got assimilated. In my fanfic three Elite Yautja are hunting the Thing after that initial encounter, but they are more like Wolf Predator, there to eradicate all traces of the Thing. They wont use blades (risk of cutting bits off that become separate Things), but rather use plasmacasters, flamer-type weapons and the blue liquid (AvP: Requiem) to dissolve the Thing completely.
Still working on story but - isolated icy moon, science research base with small number of humans, and one Yautja ship shot down by another.