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The lack of housing for the plasmacaster still bugs me but it's a pretty neat shot.
Quote from: yautjapet on Jul 14, 2018, 02:48:04 AM
The lack of housing for the plasmacaster still bugs me but it's a pretty neat shot.
And the seeming lack of a med kit indeed.
Quote from: yautjapet on Jul 14, 2018, 02:48:04 AM
The lack of housing for the plasmacaster still bugs me but it's a pretty neat shot.
I agree. I can kinda live without it, but I always enjoyed seeing all of the different backpack designs & med-kit gadgets too.
Quote from: yautjapet on Jul 14, 2018, 02:48:04 AM
The lack of housing for the plasmacaster still bugs me but it's a pretty neat shot.
The plasmacaster's power source could be the thing which goes along the spine of the Fugitive in his back.
There are red leds, if you check it closer.
It even doesnt have to be big.
The more I look at the design of this predator, the more I like it. Not necessarily agreeing with everything, but I do quite like it.
Nice! I liking the design of new helmet. :)
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Quote from: yautjapet on Jul 14, 2018, 02:48:04 AM
The lack of housing for the plasmacaster still bugs me but it's a pretty neat shot.
The plasmacaster's power source could be the thing which goes along the spine of the Fugitive in his back.
There are red leds, if you check it closer.
I took notice on that as well. It's a cool design for the power source to be integrated into the armour like that, so I can dig it. Also, I agree skull-splitter and I would say I do like more things as I see them. So hoping for the best in the final film ;D
& thinking more about it, they don't necessarily need the medkit pack. Depends on different Predator's and situations if they need/have them. Still always like the idea behind them.
Is it me or do the biceps of the predator look a lot smaller compared to the original films. Do they even lift?
They need to make the old school Predators look as weak and flimsy as possible, to make way for the Upgrades.
I know they're trying to bring the Predator into the CURRENT YEAR but that Plasma Caster looks really fragile, which is never a word you want associated with the Predator.
I'm also still baffled how the wrist blades are supposed to work. Even with the silly wrist swords in AvP and Predators where they couldn't possibly fit into the gauntlets you could see where they were stored and where they come out.
Quote from: gabgrave on Jul 14, 2018, 02:46:51 PM
Is it me or do the biceps of the predator look a lot smaller compared to the original films. Do they even lift?
I take lean predators over bulky ones...
Yeah, I wouldn't say Jungle Hunter or City Hunter were ultra beefy or anything...? At least not drastically bigger than Captive appears to be. That is one thing I like about AvP:R, that lean and stealthy look Wolf had.
How tall is this Predator? I haven't able to make out a scale comparison
Someone do a side by comparison of JH CH and UC (Upgrade Chow).
Quote from: yautjapet on Jul 14, 2018, 02:48:04 AM
The lack of housing for the plasmacaster still bugs me but it's a pretty neat shot.
Yeah I've said the same thing. This is also an issue I had with the Super Predators. It just looks so flimsy.
Quote from: walker31 on Jul 14, 2018, 04:41:55 PM
How tall is this Predator? I haven't able to make out a scale comparison
In the script it was 10 feet tall.
Arms are a little lacking. Hit the gym Predator!
Master 10 feet is the Upgrade one, this is Captured, he is supossed to be somewhere same as the first two predators, but I think he is much shorter than Kevin Pitter Hall.
PS Kevin Peter Hall*
Also I really wasnt fan of bulky predators in AVP, so if he is more cut than buff I am totally fine with that, the city hunter and Jungle hunter werent very muscle developed guys compare to super heroes from AVP.
Plasmacaster on the predator's shoulder like a magnet on the refrigerator door. Well, how did they come up with this? >:(This is nonsense and quite inconvenient for shooting with active actions.
I hate the new bio. It's too small, doesn't fit properly and is just piss poor design all together.
Quote from: brokentusk420 on Jul 14, 2018, 10:03:27 PM
I hate the new bio. It's too small, doesn't fit properly and is just piss poor design all together.
It's shallow, like they just tilted and squashed the face horizontally. Most people don't realize how far those mandibles protruded...
I think adi has been cutting corners and reusing old molds, reusing old builds from AvP. The Rez aliens have reappeared twice in the AvP movies.
While it's true Paul WS Anderson wanted a more "attractive" Predator and AvPR likely had a shit budget to go with its shit script and shit directors now was the time to go all out and rebuild their Predators from the ground up. In many ways I take my hats off to ADI for staying in the game in times like these but this is just sloppy work. Shane Black has his faith share of the blame too. A canny director would have caught this early on.
Quote from: Master on Jul 14, 2018, 05:16:30 PM
In the script it was 10 feet tall.
That's Upgrade. Captured is a standard sized Predator.
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Quote from: brokentusk420 on Jul 14, 2018, 10:03:27 PM
I hate the new bio. It's too small, doesn't fit properly and is just piss poor design all together.
It's shallow, like they just tilted and squashed the face horizontally. Most people don't realize how far those mandibles protruded...
I think shapewise from the side is almoust the same as the Jungle Hunter, and I do believe that all others predator's masks aren't fitting perfectly for the predator face. I was sculpting predator mask on top of predator face, and it never fitted upper mandibles, I tried to find refrence photos, where it showed how upper mandibles fits under predator mask, but I didn't find nothing, and every time somebody puts a mask on Kevin Peter Hall, or on the toy, the do take away the mandible parts first, and after put a mask. Kavin Peter Hall didn't have mandibles, when he was wearing mask, and Hot toys and sideshow just have an option where you can just take of mandibles and put on mask.
I'll illustrate tomorrow.
Yeah, in terms of engineering the suits, none of the masked Predators have the mandibles under neath. It's just extra bulk and would make it difficult for the performers.
When Jungle Hunter and City Hunter have their masks removed there's a cut between the mask being "on" and the 'removal" where the mask is basically just laying over the top of the full face. The magic of film making.... :laugh:
Quote from: OpenMaw on Jul 15, 2018, 12:17:31 PM
Yeah, in terms of engineering the suits, none of the masked Predators have the mandibles under neath. It's just extra bulk and would make it difficult for the performers.
When Jungle Hunter and City Hunter have their masks removed there's a cut between the mask being "on" and the 'removal" where the mask is basically just laying over the top of the full face. The magic of film making.... :laugh:
Exactly, and I do think that the actual face of the predator(Jungle Hunter, City Hunter) doesnt fit inside the helmets/masks. But the faces of AVP 2004 predators do fit, the way they fold their mandibles is different, therefore they can fit the face under the mask. here is the differences.
one wrong photos.
mandibles underneath it not, this bio is plain trash. It doesn't even look proper from all angles. Half of the face shows underneath in shots, it a real piece of crap.
Maybe Captured just likes to show off his niblets?
I think it's the best and most thought out design since Predator 2.
I think the mask looks cool. If the mandibles are hanging out though it sort of does question the whole breathing thing.
Looking at them there, I think City Hunter has the most aesthetically pleasing mandible arrangement.
Quote from: The Old One on Jul 16, 2018, 08:57:17 AM
Looking at them there, I think City Hunter has the most aesthetically pleasing mandible arrangement.
Agree!
I still think captured is a female.
Quote from: Vermillion on Jul 16, 2018, 12:27:54 PM
I still think captured is a female.
Your mother is a female!
Eh, wait...
Question to everybody, why on the time thing for "The Predator" it says 1 month left?
If it is female, Im done with these movies. Female predators are the dumbest things to come out of fan fiction and are always depicted in the most absurd, wanker-esque manner possible. Its just an excuse to put tits on a predator. It reeks of the lack of imagination and is based on zero biological reasoning. Its just terrible. There is no reason story or otherwise to go down that path. NONE. That not what the movies are about. IF you wanted to hint at a gender specific one, it should be done without big or small breast, and human ideas of sexuality. Thats just a perverts fantasy. It should be depicted in the manner that a male and female frog or lizard are almost indistinguishable. Humanoid body make up or not. It does matter. The biology of reptiles and amphibians has no need for breast. The predator is a creature closely related to those.
Quote from: brokentusk420 on Jul 16, 2018, 08:55:19 PM
If it is female, Im done with these movies. Female predators are the dumbest things to come out of fan fiction and are always depicted in the most absurd, wanker-esque manner possible. Its just an excuse to put tits on a predator. It reeks of the lack of imagination and is based on zero biological reasoning. Its just terrible. There is no reason story or otherwise to go down that path. NONE. That not what the movies are about. IF you wanted to hint at a gender specific one, it should be done without big or small breast, and human ideas of sexuality. Thats just a perverts fantasy. It should be depicted in the manner that a male and female frog or lizard are almost indistinguishable. Humanoid body make up or not. It does matter. The biology of reptiles and amphibians has no need for breast. The predator is a creature closely related to those.
If captured is a female then wouldnt that make it almost the same as a male? There are no breasts...
I mean captured isnt female but your rant generally makes no sense.
Quote from: brokentusk420 on Jul 16, 2018, 08:55:19 PM
If it is female, Im done with these movies. Female predators are the dumbest things to come out of fan fiction and are always depicted in the most absurd, wanker-esque manner possible. Its just an excuse to put tits on a predator. It reeks of the lack of imagination and is based on zero biological reasoning. Its just terrible. There is no reason story or otherwise to go down that path. NONE. That not what the movies are about. IF you wanted to hint at a gender specific one, it should be done without big or small breast, and human ideas of sexuality. Thats just a perverts fantasy. It should be depicted in the manner that a male and female frog or lizard are almost indistinguishable. Humanoid body make up or not. It does matter. The biology of reptiles and amphibians has no need for breast. The predator is a creature closely related to those.
Sir we already saw in earlier images that there is no breasts on captured predator, why you ranting about boobs? :)
Quote from: brokentusk420 on Jul 16, 2018, 08:55:19 PM
IF you wanted to hint at a gender specific one, it should be done without big or small breasts...
Nah, big breasts please. Huge, swingin', yautja milkers. Tits so big, they're used as weapons in the movie. And have Keegan always trying to touch them. :D
Hatred for space boobies, defies all logic.
I'm not sure why you'd need a specific "reason" for a predator to be female. It could just totally be a non-issue, she happens to be female, end of story. Female beings exist, there's no "reason" for it. And though big bouncing boobs would bother me, I'd be okay with small breasts (it depends on whether you take the books as canon or not, but there are hints to indicate female predators do in fact have breasts.)
Quote from: yautjapet on Jul 16, 2018, 10:43:10 PM
Female beings exist, there's no "reason" for it.
And just like that, A T-Shirt empire was born. ;)
Quote from: Vermillion on Jul 16, 2018, 12:27:54 PM
I still think captured is a female.
I don't know any more. They seem to have obviously gave the predator a major breast reduction. I think they chickened out and decided to play it safe. My monies now on a pansexual predator at the very least.
...I am so sorry, not. :)
Quote from: brokentusk420 on Jul 16, 2018, 08:55:19 PM
If it is female, Im done with these movies. Female predators are the dumbest things to come out of fan fiction and are always depicted in the most absurd, wanker-esque manner possible. Its just an excuse to put tits on a predator. It reeks of the lack of imagination and is based on zero biological reasoning. Its just terrible. There is no reason story or otherwise to go down that path. NONE. That not what the movies are about. IF you wanted to hint at a gender specific one, it should be done without big or small breast, and human ideas of sexuality. Thats just a perverts fantasy. It should be depicted in the manner that a male and female frog or lizard are almost indistinguishable. Humanoid body make up or not. It does matter. The biology of reptiles and amphibians has no need for breast. The predator is a creature closely related to those.
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Doesn't seem so clear cut to me.
In regards to the actual movie, I think they've already established Captured is a male unless there's a twist coming our way. You gotta think they'll throw some sort of remark in there with the body scans in the lab.
They're both dudebros.
I honestly don't get how people are seeing tits on this guy. Those are pectoral muscles under pectoral armor.
Is this like how everyone used to get weird about Ricardo Montalbon's chest in Wrath of Khan?
I actually thought the Predator might be female as well when I saw it.
Wouldn't bother me, I dunno what the big deal is. Maybe the original is a female?
#mindblown
Quote from: OpenMaw on Jul 17, 2018, 01:49:14 AM
They're both dudebros.
I honestly don't get how people are seeing tits on this guy. Those are pectoral muscles under pectoral armor.
Is this like how everyone used to get weird about Ricardo Montalbon's chest in Wrath of Khan?
It's very cold, in space.
Quote from: Huggs on Jul 17, 2018, 03:08:15 AM
Quote from: OpenMaw on Jul 17, 2018, 01:49:14 AM
They're both dudebros.
I honestly don't get how people are seeing tits on this guy. Those are pectoral muscles under pectoral armor.
Is this like how everyone used to get weird about Ricardo Montalbon's chest in Wrath of Khan?
It's very cold, in space.
And lonely.
Quote from: Highland on Jul 17, 2018, 02:45:18 AM
I actually thought the Predator might be female as well when I saw it.
Wouldn't bother me, I dunno what the big deal is. Maybe the original is a female?
#mindblown
Me too, and honestly I don't care a whole lot if it is or isn't. I imagine that eventually we'll get a female Predator, or it'll be disclosed that one of the ones we've already seen was a female. Not a big deal, other than to maybe satiate curiosity or get a larger picture of the Predator species.
Exactly. How would we know if all the predators we've seen thus far weren't females? It just doesn't matter. I think some things should just remain a mystery.
Doesn't matter if this, or the previous hunters were female or not imho.
Does it take away of any of the cool factor they have? Or does it lower the quality of the design? (p1,p2, partially avp:r)
I don't get it.
Never thought about it, but these latest posts made me think.
How absurdly funny it would be if Dutch and his whole macho crew were massacred, by a girl... :D
Quote from: newagescamartist on Jul 17, 2018, 04:01:42 AM
Exactly. How would we know if all the predators we've seen thus far weren't females? It just doesn't matter. I think some things should just remain a mystery.
Because the creators have referred to them as male. Because they possess very strong masculine traits.
Quote from: OpenMaw on Jul 17, 2018, 04:45:40 AM
Quote from: newagescamartist on Jul 17, 2018, 04:01:42 AM
Exactly. How would we know if all the predators we've seen thus far weren't females? It just doesn't matter. I think some things should just remain a mystery.
Because the creators have referred to them as male. Because they possess very strong masculine traits.
The creators probably referred to them as male because of their strong masculine traits. There is nothing so far in the film canon that differentiates a male from a female predator ( if sex/gender even applies ). I agree, very strong masculine traits in comparison to male humans, but they're aliens so it doesn't necessarily apply. I tend to agree that they're probably male ( call it human bias ), but I'm willing to allow the mystery of their sexual identity to continue in my own mind. ;D
If anything Upgrade will end up being the female. I mean it is common for the egg layers to be bigger than the males...
Sterling K. Brown's character, an agent who actually gets to be in the lab, does refer to Captured as a "him" in the trailer. "We found him in Mexico."
I think Keyes refers to CH as a "he" as well. Of course you can argue that he was using his human bias but maybe they caught CH taking a leak.
The leaked script also alludes to the fact that the Pred is a 'male', IIRC.
Spoiler
This is off the top of my head, so not verbatim, BTW:
Bracket looks at a vial of luminous liquid, and says something like "Wait... if that's blood.... then what the hell is that?"
EG - hinting at the fact that it's Pred jizz.
Quote from: newagescamartist on Jul 17, 2018, 05:14:01 AM
Quote from: OpenMaw on Jul 17, 2018, 04:45:40 AM
Quote from: newagescamartist on Jul 17, 2018, 04:01:42 AM
Exactly. How would we know if all the predators we've seen thus far weren't females? It just doesn't matter. I think some things should just remain a mystery.
Because the creators have referred to them as male. Because they possess very strong masculine traits.
The creators probably referred to them as male because of their strong masculine traits. There is nothing so far in the film canon that differentiates a male from a female predator ( if sex/gender even applies ). I agree, very strong masculine traits in comparison to male humans, but they're aliens so it doesn't necessarily apply. I tend to agree that they're probably male ( call it human bias ), but I'm willing to allow the mystery of their sexual identity to continue in my own mind. ;D
But the whole male or female concept with strong male or female traits, is a very human concept to begin with... Who says it would apply to an alien ?
Its just lazy and the most unimaginative thing possible to slap tits on something just to call it female. It's some of the worst trash to come out of the fan fiction. The other ways to depict sexual dimophisim especially with something that is clear not mammalian. It just has a humanoid body shape. It's not human nor need tits to feed tits young.
Quote from: BigDaddyJohn on Jul 17, 2018, 12:29:53 PM
Quote from: newagescamartist on Jul 17, 2018, 05:14:01 AM
Quote from: OpenMaw on Jul 17, 2018, 04:45:40 AM
Quote from: newagescamartist on Jul 17, 2018, 04:01:42 AM
Exactly. How would we know if all the predators we've seen thus far weren't females? It just doesn't matter. I think some things should just remain a mystery.
Because the creators have referred to them as male. Because they possess very strong masculine traits.
The creators probably referred to them as male because of their strong masculine traits. There is nothing so far in the film canon that differentiates a male from a female predator ( if sex/gender even applies ). I agree, very strong masculine traits in comparison to male humans, but they're aliens so it doesn't necessarily apply. I tend to agree that they're probably male ( call it human bias ), but I'm willing to allow the mystery of their sexual identity to continue in my own mind. ;D
But the whole male or female concept with strong male or female traits, is a very human concept to begin with... Who says it would apply to an alien ?
Yes - I don't see the whole "well they have clear masculine traits" as being a strong argument for them all being male. I agree that they probably were, but I'd think it's due to the fact that the creators never gave Predator sex/gender much thought. My only frame of reference is what has been shown in the printed media, which tends to show the males and females as identical. But since we're dealing with a different species on another planet, anyone's guess is viable imo. Sure, reptiles don't have mammalian organs on Earth. Who's to say it's the same thing on their planet? It could go either way honestly. We would just have to throw out our conception of what "males" and "females" actually mean or "reptiles" and "mammals", here in our neck of the woods.
Quote from: brokentusk420 on Jul 17, 2018, 02:03:44 PM
Its just lazy and the most unimaginative thing possible to slap tits on something just to call it female. It's some of the worst trash to come out of the fan fiction. The other ways to depict sexual dimophisim especially with something that is clear not mammalian. It just has a humanoid body shape. It's not human nor need tits to feed tits young.
It's alien so the argument that they are reptiles is moot too. As far as we can visually see, from the films' standpoint, they have just as many similar characteristics to mammals/primates as they do to reptiles. I can respect people wanting to keep it more mysterious and unfamiliar because they're ALIEN, but saying that people are unimaginative because they speculate it could be similar is stupid. Though giving them gigantic breasts would be ridiculous- no doubt.
I'm in total agreement that our concepts of gender-based personality or behavioral traits don't automatically apply here. Not only are they an alien species, they have a vastly different culture. If we ever see female predators on screen, I'd personally be happy if it the audience learns it at the beginning and then story moves along without it being really relevant and without a big show of "looky here at the lady predator!" It doesn't have to be a big deal.
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From Predator star to The Predator director, Shane Black on creating the most dangerous predator yet
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EW (http://"http://ew.com/movies/2018/07/17/the-predator-shane-black-ultimate-predator/")
chatted with Black about why he dove back into the Predator universe, finding his own cast instead being a part of it, and if there's room for more films.
http://ew.com/movies/2018/07/17/the-predator-shane-black-ultimate-predator/
So a bulky, bigger and badder predator is compared to a cheetah, say what now?
Quote from: skull-splitter on Jul 18, 2018, 08:35:04 AM
So a bulky, bigger and badder predator is compared to a cheetah, say what now?
Spoiler
He is compared to a cheetah in the script as well (when he is running), so it's not accidental.
Not sure if I should be worried about what I just read or not... but it takes a little bit of the steam out of the concept. Glad I didn't read anything from the leaked scripts.
It sure steers clear of a tribal based, massai inspired warrior hunter most of us seemed to like a lot...
So it runs on 4 legs like a cheetah?
Quote from: skull-splitter on Jul 18, 2018, 08:35:04 AM
So a bulky, bigger and badder predator is compared to a cheetah, say what now?
I think Shane was talking about AVP predators who looked like Football players, clumsy, also they body felled more puffy like a bodybuilder between competition seasons, or straight up Powerlifters. Where Upgrade does look like bodybuilder, and huge, but his proportions look more like Frank Zane then Ronny Coleman. Also the use of CGI does help to make Upgrade moves to be elegant, compare to the guy in the suite.
felt* sorry for my grammar, not a native speaker. ;D
Sorry, unrelated, but will Thomas Jane have an important role or will he die quickly ? Because we almost don't see him at all in the trailers.
He's one of the main characters. All deaths from the previous leaks have been reshot so we don't know anything for certain at the moment, we just one he's one of the main players.
Quote from: azamultic on Jul 18, 2018, 09:29:18 AM
Quote from: skull-splitter on Jul 18, 2018, 08:35:04 AM
So a bulky, bigger and badder predator is compared to a cheetah, say what now?
I think Shane was talking about AVP predators who looked like Football players, clumsy, also they body felled more puffy like a bodybuilder between competition seasons, or straight up Powerlifters. Where Upgrade does look like bodybuilder, and huge, but his proportions look more like Frank Zane then Ronny Coleman. Also the use of CGI does help to make Upgrade moves to be elegant, compare to the guy in the suite.
felt* sorry for my grammar, not a native speaker. ;D
I know he's refering to the AvP ones as those are the only ones truly looking like football players.
But I just find it very ironic when he mentions them, wanting to go for a cheetah and ending up with a roided out predator 1.5x the size and thinking it will be scarier than the original. It just cements that you didn't get the creature at it's core at all. And I say this not having read the script so I might be surprised and I hope I am. But I'm afraid I won't be.
Quote from: skull-splitter on Jul 18, 2018, 10:28:14 AM
Quote from: azamultic on Jul 18, 2018, 09:29:18 AM
Quote from: skull-splitter on Jul 18, 2018, 08:35:04 AM
So a bulky, bigger and badder predator is compared to a cheetah, say what now?
I think Shane was talking about AVP predators who looked like Football players, clumsy, also they body felled more puffy like a bodybuilder between competition seasons, or straight up Powerlifters. Where Upgrade does look like bodybuilder, and huge, but his proportions look more like Frank Zane then Ronny Coleman. Also the use of CGI does help to make Upgrade moves to be elegant, compare to the guy in the suite.
felt* sorry for my grammar, not a native speaker. ;D
I know he's refering to the AvP ones as those are the only ones truly looking like football players.
But I just find it very ironic when he mentions them, wanting to go for a cheetah and ending up with a roided out predator 1.5x the size and thinking it will be scarier than the original. It just cements that you didn't get the creature at it's core at all. And I say this not having read the script so I might be surprised and I hope I am. But I'm afraid I won't be.
I actually noticed that Upgraded doesn't have a very huge chest, or abs muscles, the only thing is really huge is his arms, and I guess legs, but we didn't see it yet, but his torso looks pretty athletic nod roided up, not counting that he is 10 feet tall. And I think he is like a lion(not cheetah), huge lion, and Lions are freaking buff, but they can look elegant too.
Those noticing the vast difference between this Pred and a cheetah - He's talking about the way it moves, not how lean it is, or anything. When it hits the ground I'm imagining it will absorb the impact gracefully, rather than just slam down like a solid lump, as seen in AVP. To me this is a very good thing, because those stompy guys from AVP were ridiculous.
He looks like Kotal Kahn from Mortal Kombat X
We haven't seen him move yet, how do we know he won't be moving elegantly ? Muscle mass on a frickin' alien would mean he isn't capable of being fast and graceful ? Just because he's big ?
The design language just screams bulky brute, not fast and graceful stealthy killer.
Quote from: BigDaddyJohn on Jul 18, 2018, 12:33:42 PM
We haven't seen him move yet, how do we know he won't be moving elegantly ? Muscle mass on a frickin' alien would mean he isn't capable of being fast and graceful ? Just because he's big ?
In defence of people not seeing this huge predator to be elegant, is simple, the basic design language, if you want to make a tank, he going to have huge chest, traps, biceps, legs, he will be very heavy and moving very heavy, if you want to make a agile elf, who moves very elegant you making him slender, light. That's simple design rules. The Upgrade does look more tanky then agile type. But then again you can break every rule if you know how to manipulate them, so I totally don't have no problems with a huge tank looking creature moving elegantly like a an elf ;) (don't take my words literally, just exaggeration).
But also I want to point out that the Upgrade doesn't look like he took too much steroids, I mean the proportions of his body to his height looks pretty good, I mean he looks like just somebody took Jungle, City hunter, and just up-scaled them. And added a little bit more muscles on arms. Yes his torso has more developed muscles then Jungle/City Hunter, but it's nowhere near as Powerlifters from AVP 2004.
I agree on the fact that he does look bulky, and that it could imply he isn't really fast... But personally i go beyond that, and i think he'll be more than that on screen, simply because we haven't seen him move yet. Anyway he is described as fast and agile in the script. The good thing is the use of CGI totally allows that ;)
As a side note, i wonder how much he weighs though ? A classic pred is said in various documents from the extended universe to weigh in at 520 pounds at least, which seem reasonable when you look at them. For the upgrade, it will probably reach 900 or more... I mean, tigers can reach 690 pounds and still move really fast...
It leaves about as much of an impression on me as this guy does.
"Sorry, unrelated, but will Thomas Jane have an important role or will he die quickly ? Because we almost don't see him at all in the trailers."
Spoilers (Maybe?)
I think he's the dude hanging upside down in the forest scene during the trailer.
He's the only one wearing a red shirt so that's my guess. Unless that's one of the death scenes they re-shot so it might not go that way in the final cut, even though the dudes already dead in the shot.
Quote from: HashTag_TheSwag on Jul 18, 2018, 01:31:46 PM
I think he's the dude hanging upside down in the forest scene during the trailer.
He's the only one wearing a red shirt so that's my guess. Unless that's one of the death scenes they re-shot so it might not go that way in the final cut, even though the dudes already dead in the shot.
Spoiler
I believe that's from earlier on in the film when McKenna encounters the Predator pod.
"they like the hunting aspect of it, they break down every aspect of whatever costume he's wearing this time and make toys of it. It's strange, but it's so longstanding and won't go away."
Translation:
These Pred fans are nuts!! So nuts I had to drop my Twitter account!!!
At first I was a bit put out by the cheetah remark - AvP1 aside, all the other predators have been agile rather than bulky, going back to the very beginning - but I remembered how Brian Prince said he made use of his parkour skill and agility on set, so I'm not concerned Upgrade will be "more" graceful than Captive or anything.
Quote from: yautjapet on Jul 18, 2018, 03:07:08 PM
At first I was a bit put out by the cheetah remark - AvP1 aside, all the other predators have been agile rather than bulky, going back to the very beginning - but I remembered how Brian Prince said he made use of his parkour skill and agility on set, so I'm not concerned Upgrade will be "more" graceful than Captive or anything.
To be honest, even with amazing performance from Kevin Peter Hall, he still looked pretty bulky and heavy, in every hand to hand combat he felt very heavy and slow, remembering the Mike Harrigan fight on the ship, or with the Dutch at the end of the first movie. He did good, I mean he is the best predator and I love Jungle hunter and city hunter, but in this scenes without editing you can see that he struggles to move very fast in predator suite. I am not shitting on the classics btw ;)
Quote from: azamultic on Jul 18, 2018, 03:37:09 PM
Quote from: yautjapet on Jul 18, 2018, 03:07:08 PM
At first I was a bit put out by the cheetah remark - AvP1 aside, all the other predators have been agile rather than bulky, going back to the very beginning - but I remembered how Brian Prince said he made use of his parkour skill and agility on set, so I'm not concerned Upgrade will be "more" graceful than Captive or anything.
To be honest, even with amazing performance from Kevin Peter Hall, he still looked pretty bulky and heavy, in every hand to hand combat he felt very heavy and slow, remembering the Mike Harrigan fight on the ship, or with the Dutch at the end of the first movie. He did good, I mean he is the best predator and I love Jungle hunter and city hunter, but in this scenes without editing you can see that he struggles to move very fast in predator suite. I am not shitting on the classics btw ;)
It's true, you don't have to justify yourself don't worry ;)
He does take some time when throwing punches to Dutch indeed, but i feel that's part of the charm of the creature too, in some way.
Quote from: BigDaddyJohn on Jul 18, 2018, 04:08:08 PM
Quote from: azamultic on Jul 18, 2018, 03:37:09 PM
Quote from: yautjapet on Jul 18, 2018, 03:07:08 PM
At first I was a bit put out by the cheetah remark - AvP1 aside, all the other predators have been agile rather than bulky, going back to the very beginning - but I remembered how Brian Prince said he made use of his parkour skill and agility on set, so I'm not concerned Upgrade will be "more" graceful than Captive or anything.
To be honest, even with amazing performance from Kevin Peter Hall, he still looked pretty bulky and heavy, in every hand to hand combat he felt very heavy and slow, remembering the Mike Harrigan fight on the ship, or with the Dutch at the end of the first movie. He did good, I mean he is the best predator and I love Jungle hunter and city hunter, but in this scenes without editing you can see that he struggles to move very fast in predator suite. I am not shitting on the classics btw ;)
It's true, you don't have to justify yourself don't worry ;)
He does take some time when throwing punches to Dutch indeed, but i feel that's part of the charm of the creature too, in some way.
Yehh, I am being safe in case some people would take it as a personal attack ;D
I totally agree that that practical effects and it's limitations totally adding charm to the movie and creature, and I am still a sucker for Practical Effects and wished that it would be used more. But CGI does help in creating more agile movement compare to the practical stuff, and it's what I feel Shane Black was talking about :)
PS: the debate about what looks more believable is another topic. ;)
Shane Black can take his shitty "Upgrade" and go back to television making Scfy movies of the week where he belongs.
The man is literally trashing the original Predator and you're all going to sit there and tell me that this is the man who's going to bring the Predator franchise forward. Bull. Shit.
Quote from: Messagingfromthebathroom on Jul 18, 2018, 06:03:08 PM
The man is literally trashing the original Predator and you're all going to sit there and tell me that this is the man who's going to bring the Predator franchise forward. Bull. Shit.
Forward is merely a direction. It can result in either a negative or a positive outcome. Neither one is guaranteed. Maybe the movie will be good. Maybe it will suck. Who knows for sure? We all will, once it's released. But it's been made, it's done, I've made my peace with it. I'm moving forward, one might say.
And when did we "all" say Shane is going to do that?
These guest posts sound an awful lot alike. Same person perhaps?
Quote from: Huggs on Jul 18, 2018, 06:31:21 PM
Quote from: Messagingfromthebathroom on Jul 18, 2018, 06:03:08 PM
The man is literally trashing the original Predator and you're all going to sit there and tell me that this is the man who's going to bring the Predator franchise forward. Bull. Shit.
These guest posts sound an awful lot alike. Same person perhaps?
Exactly what i was thinking... Maybe they have a few squads of 2-3 people that relays one after another to post here :laugh:
What we see is brute force pred but Shane says it's cheetah like... yup. Indominus Pred is what we have here. Probably can natively cloak and create bone like weapons. I bet it has no need for predator technology. All of it will be genetically encoded into the creature. Complete with plasma caster breath. I mean wouldn't you do the same thing? Why lug all that crap around when it could just be a part of you.
Quote from: whiterabbit on Jul 18, 2018, 08:59:32 PM
I bet it has no need for predator technology. All of it will be genetically encoded into the creature. Complete with plasma caster breath. I mean wouldn't you do the same thing? Why lug all that crap around when it could just be a part of you.
Hahahahha It's going to be like in Shane's Iron Man 3 scene "You breathe fire....ok"
https://getyarn.io/yarn-clip/84dd3eaf-24e0-4af6-bc41-3751e528bbb3 (https://getyarn.io/yarn-clip/84dd3eaf-24e0-4af6-bc41-3751e528bbb3)
Quote from: azamultic on Jul 18, 2018, 09:17:37 PM
Quote from: whiterabbit on Jul 18, 2018, 08:59:32 PM
I bet it has no need for predator technology. All of it will be genetically encoded into the creature. Complete with plasma caster breath. I mean wouldn't you do the same thing? Why lug all that crap around when it could just be a part of you.
Hahahahha It's going to be like in Shane's Iron Man 3 scene "You breathe fire....ok"
https://getyarn.io/yarn-clip/84dd3eaf-24e0-4af6-bc41-3751e528bbb3 (https://getyarn.io/yarn-clip/84dd3eaf-24e0-4af6-bc41-3751e528bbb3)
The fire breathing has already been done. It's time for making use, of the other end.
Iugh, that screencap is just iugh, anyway i think is ironic that the upgraded predator looks like a caveman predator, it looks prehistoric and primitive, i bet that the genetic manipulation did the opposite of what the predator wanted and then he became like a mindless animal or something like that, maybe he broke the rules by doing that and there are other regular predators trying to hunt him down.
Quote from: D88M on Jul 18, 2018, 10:39:55 PM
Iugh, that screencap is just iugh, anyway i think is ironic that the upgraded predator looks like a caveman predator, it looks prehistoric and primitive, i bet that the genetic manipulation did the opposite of what the predator wanted and then he became like a mindless animal or something like that, maybe he broke the rules by doing that and there are other regular predators trying to hunt him down.
I'm seeing a strong division between graceful cheetah Predator and prehistoric caveman Predator - I'll just have to take his word for it and wait for the movie, but I honestly don't see how what we are seeing and what he is describing will be encompassed in the same creature. Movie magic perhaps :-X A good dose of it.
If that thing uses firebreath or plasma eye shots i leave the cinema, seriously, and from '' shame'' black i expect this kind of shits
Quote from: Huggs on Jul 18, 2018, 09:23:35 PM
Quote from: azamultic on Jul 18, 2018, 09:17:37 PM
Quote from: whiterabbit on Jul 18, 2018, 08:59:32 PM
I bet it has no need for predator technology. All of it will be genetically encoded into the creature. Complete with plasma caster breath. I mean wouldn't you do the same thing? Why lug all that crap around when it could just be a part of you.
Hahahahha It's going to be like in Shane's Iron Man 3 scene "You breathe fire....ok"
https://getyarn.io/yarn-clip/84dd3eaf-24e0-4af6-bc41-3751e528bbb3 (https://getyarn.io/yarn-clip/84dd3eaf-24e0-4af6-bc41-3751e528bbb3)
The fire breathing has already been done. It's time for making use, of the other end.
How bout farting poisonous gas?
Quote from: PredBabe on Jul 19, 2018, 02:35:21 AM
How bout farting poisonous gas?
Maybe that's how he'll skin them. Or skull taking. He could just use it like an old bottle opener
"I wanted a certain more graceful, more light, more athletic quality, literally like a predator."
-So, like a xenomorph. Got it.
Eye balling it, they are roughly the same height. The pred mask gives the actor about an extra 6 or so inches in height. But with movie magic, it'll probably appear 1ft taller than the actor, maybe a bit more.
Quote from: prototypeXIII on Jul 19, 2018, 04:25:16 AM
"I wanted a certain more graceful, more light, more athletic quality, literally like a predator."
-So, like a xenomorph. Got it..
Spot on. And they too stopped being scary since they were used as bullet sponges and standard movie monsters.
Quote from: prototypeXIII on Jul 19, 2018, 04:25:16 AM
"I wanted a certain more graceful, more light, more athletic quality, literally like a predator."
-So, like a xenomorph. Got it.
Eye balling it, they are roughly the same height. The pred mask gives the actor about an extra 6 or so inches in height. But with movie magic, it'll probably appear 1ft taller than the actor, maybe a bit more.
Wou wou, Boyd Holbrook is 6 ft 2 in (1.88 m), when Brian A Prince is 6' 9½" (2.07 m) they have pretty big difference in height.
Quote from: whiterabbit on Jul 18, 2018, 08:59:32 PM
What we see is brute force pred but Shane says it's cheetah like... yup. Indominus Pred is what we have here. Probably can natively cloak and create bone like weapons. I bet it has no need for predator technology. All of it will be genetically encoded into the creature. Complete with plasma caster breath. I mean wouldn't you do the same thing? Why lug all that crap around when it could just be a part of you.
Yeah no need for technology, that's probably why he has two wrists gauntlets...
Maybe the left wrist gauntlet is his plasma caster or ranged weapon, like the ancient Predator from the Primal Hunt expansion. It could also be his cloaking device, his Swiss army knife device.
Quote from: The Old One on Jul 19, 2018, 12:41:02 PM
Maybe the left wrist gauntlet is his plasma caster or ranged weapon, like the ancient Predator from the Primal Hunt expansion. It could also be his cloaking device, his Swiss army knife device.
Actually, in the script
Spoiler
he does not cloak. And he has 2 weapons wrist mounted. An ion-cannon and a projectile arrow weapon.
So I was half-right.
Quote from: PredBabe on Jul 17, 2018, 03:38:29 PM
Quote from: brokentusk420 on Jul 17, 2018, 02:03:44 PM
Its just lazy and the most unimaginative thing possible to slap tits on something just to call it female. It's some of the worst trash to come out of the fan fiction. The other ways to depict sexual dimophisim especially with something that is clear not mammalian. It just has a humanoid body shape. It's not human nor need tits to feed tits young.
It's alien so the argument that they are reptiles is moot too. As far as we can visually see, from the films' standpoint, they have just as many similar characteristics to mammals/primates as they do to reptiles. I can respect people wanting to keep it more mysterious and unfamiliar because they're ALIEN, but saying that people are unimaginative because they speculate it could be similar is stupid. Though giving them gigantic breasts would be ridiculous- no doubt.
Uh no, the "its an alien, so like it can be whatever" argument is just juvenile reasoning at best. Caused by a lack of understanding of how biology works and the difference between a human aka homo sapiens, and a humanoid which is just a form. The predator has a humanoid form with almost entirely reptilian and amphibian physical traits. There is nothing mammalian about it.
So no breasts then? .......Dammit.
With neomorphs running amuck and shane black making predator films, what's wrong with some Xenorbs and Proobies?
Well, I ask ya?
Xenorbs. Go to Tumblr of you want some o' those.
:D
Quote from: The Old One on Jul 27, 2018, 12:40:57 AM
Xenorbs. Go to Tumblr of you want some o' those.
:D
Indeed so. But do they have that Ridley Scott seal of approval? I think not. :D
I'll see em' when they're canon.
Quote from: brokentusk420 on Jul 27, 2018, 12:12:10 AM
Quote from: PredBabe on Jul 17, 2018, 03:38:29 PM
Quote from: brokentusk420 on Jul 17, 2018, 02:03:44 PM
Its just lazy and the most unimaginative thing possible to slap tits on something just to call it female. It's some of the worst trash to come out of the fan fiction. The other ways to depict sexual dimophisim especially with something that is clear not mammalian. It just has a humanoid body shape. It's not human nor need tits to feed tits young.
It's alien so the argument that they are reptiles is moot too. As far as we can visually see, from the films' standpoint, they have just as many similar characteristics to mammals/primates as they do to reptiles. I can respect people wanting to keep it more mysterious and unfamiliar because they're ALIEN, but saying that people are unimaginative because they speculate it could be similar is stupid. Though giving them gigantic breasts would be ridiculous- no doubt.
Uh no, the "its an alien, so like it can be whatever" argument is just juvenile reasoning at best. Caused by a lack of understanding of how biology works and the difference between a human aka homo sapiens, and a humanoid which is just a form. The predator has a humanoid form with almost entirely reptilian and amphibian physical traits. There is nothing mammalian about it.
Yeah, sans the alien hair, they really are almost entirely reptilian.
Do I dare ask what xenorbs are?
Quote from: PredBabe on Jul 27, 2018, 12:55:11 AM
Do I dare ask what xenorbs are?
Think Sil from species. XENO BEWWWWWWBBBSSSSSUHHHH...
Quote from: Huggs on Jul 27, 2018, 12:34:13 AM
So no breasts then? .......Dammit.
With neomorphs running amuck and shane black making predator films, what's wrong with some Xenorbs and Proobies?
Well, I ask ya?
Gotta love that word :laugh:
Quote from: OpenMaw on Jul 27, 2018, 01:50:24 AM
Quote from: PredBabe on Jul 27, 2018, 12:55:11 AM
Do I dare ask what xenorbs are?
Think Sil from species. XENO BEWWWWWWBBBSSSSSUHHHH...
Ahh ok. I still need to watch that movie!