Well as the title suggest i think ppl are thinking these reviews are the end of thw world and that the movie is gonna be terrible
I really have to say all these reviews are telling me is it is not worth an academy award which wow is a big deal isnt it ::)
Alot of good movies have gotten bad reviews before released a good example is 300 the pre-reviews i read for it they all said it was horrible which in my opioin it wasnt 300 is one of my all time favorite movies and it got bad reviews just b/c the reviewers are not the ppl this movie was directed towards
Wait to u see the movie and im sure most of u guys will like it I honestly think it will be a good pump up movie Kinda like 300
If i can say this movie made me feel adrenalized then i will be happy i dnt rly care about the stuff that needs to be good in order to win awards cause i doubt a versus movie ever will...
Fighting is what i expect to see and thats what everyone else should to
Sry but it is the versus genre so... dnt being expecting nothing less than the best just expect stuff that is reasonable ;)
QuoteBad reviews dnt mean alot.
A review in general doesnt mean a lot.
I think it will be pretty good not amazing though.
I would have to agree with you. There are movies that get excellent reviews that in my opinion are totally not worth seeing. Besides, if this movie is as shity as "critics" say it is, then why is it the number 1 most anticipated movie on Yahoo!!?? Alien 3 got way shity reviews and thats my all time favorite alien movie
Reviews wont mean a lot... until people start cherry-picking the good ones and posting drivel like "LOL SEE IT IS A GOOD FILM ALL YOU HATERS SHOULD JUST SHUT UP NOW THIS REVIEW IS UNDENIABLE PROOF THAT THE FILM IS GOOD!"
::)
They don't mean a lot, but if the general consensus is negative, it isn't a good movie.
Bad reviews DO mean a lot, the film and the franchises will suffer if the movie sucks...
I personally don't care, but hey...I'm just a fan... ;)
Quote from: Originalsin on Dec 20, 2007, 09:32:53 PM
Besides, if this movie is as shity as "critics" say it is, then why is it the number 1 most anticipated movie on Yahoo!!??
Because there's not any othe Franchise movie coming out besides National Treasure...
Reviews are opinions.....nothing more nothing less.....grain of salt.
i dont care about the reveiws, my opinion is the only 1 that matters 2 me.
But if most opinions are "it sucks", what do you expect?
that the movie isent directed 2ward critics
Critics are people who saw the movie. If it's a good movie, they will give it good reviews.
it's been the number one most anticipated movie for almost a month now!!! That beats golden compas, I am legend, Alvin and the chipmunks..... And bad reviews don't necisarily meen no more sequals. They will have to stop making sequals of this movie eventually. I highly doubt they will make ( as much as I would love them to) an alien 20 or predator 57!!!
They haven't even made Predator 3, so I doubt we'd ever make it to 57. :D
Now the Saw franchise, that's another story.
The negative reviews shed light on the hype surrounding this film.. It shows just how close to the original script this film is
1) shoe store fight substituted for kmart
2) ripley/newt clones
3) human picks up alien weaponry and goes rambo and starts killing aliens (dallas the ex-con)
4) small town stupidity
5) goes back to the roots...yes the roots of ultra gory 80's slasher horror not origina alien or predator
6) gore bordering on if not crossing over into gore porn
Finally the film is apparently a series of homages strung together...some referring to the alien/predator franchsies and other s to 80's horror films....
For me all that matters is that I wanna see the Predator KICK ASS. Thats it. Even if this film might not be a classic, I still might have fun. and not to forget, Its better then AVP, Thats all what matters.
I wish they would compare it to AVP and not the originals so much. If they said its as good as AVP then this really would be shit. But until the general audiences sees it then were know what people really think of it and your get the my mate or whoever saw it and thought it was great or crap or whatever. Then the buzz starts to happen and stuff.
Well, the fact that it's "The most anticipated movie" in Yahoo, doesn't mean shit if everybody is going to stay at home opening their presents and having family gatherings...I whis the movie is a B.O. success, but if it makes more than $20 million on it's first week, I'll be surprised... :-\
The people that didn't like the movie from the start are not going to be surprised, actually they may be surprised...by exactly how bad it is.
SOAP was the most anticipated when it first came out. Look how good that did.
Point is, internet hype doesn't equal public hype.
Quote from: Mr.Bubbles on Dec 20, 2007, 09:43:59 PM
The people that didn't like the movie from the start are not going to be surprised, actually they may be surprised...by exactly how bad it is.
Do you think it's better than AVP or it's equally bad but in other areas?
Quote from: Yellow Alien on Dec 20, 2007, 09:45:05 PM
SOAP was the most anticipated when it first came out. Look how good that did.
Point is, internet hype doesn't equal public hype.
I agree...I can't be more hyped though!! I'll have a lot of fun at the theater... ;D
Mr bubbles, I wanna know whats so bad about it?
If you already explaned then im sorry to ask this.
maybe this movie will cross the line as far as gore goes, but when alien came out the chestburster scene was something no one had ever seen before and that was extremly gory. In aliens the scene where bishop gets ripped in half is WAY gory even though he is an android. In alien 3 there are tons of way gory scenes. In ALien Resuerection when the hybrid is sucked into space, that is way gory too. In Predator when it shows the people hangging SKINNED... that's pretty gory. And in predator 2 the scene where gary busy gets cut in half is pretty gory. The only ALien/predator typr movie with no gore was AVP.
Quote from: Lionhart on Dec 20, 2007, 09:47:10 PM
Mr bubbles, I wanna know whats so bad about it?
If you already explaned then im sorry to ask this.
Didnt you know he already saw it at the cinama.
Alien's gore was brutal, realistic, and shocking. AVPR's is just gory. That cemetary head shot was ridiculous.
Quote from: Yellow Alien on Dec 20, 2007, 09:37:28 PM
But if most opinions are "it sucks", what do you expect?
So most opinions are two fan reviews and some fanboys on this board? Come on ...
greetz
ye I knew, But I wanna know whats so bad about it.
Evil DEads gore is over the top, but it's still a kick ass movie!!! GO GORE!!!
No I make up my own mind.....strangers don't stray me at all.
QuoteDo you think it's better than AVP or it's equally bad but in other areas?
It is terribly amateurish, I don't want to spoil alot unless anybody wants me to but generally the movie wasn't better than AvP. It looks like they tried too hard. I hate AvP but this was just an over-kill. I knew it was going to be bad, but at least I hoped it was going to be fun.
Quote from: Yellow Alien on Dec 20, 2007, 09:49:48 PM
Alien's gore was brutal, realistic, and shocking. AVPR's is just gory. That cemetary head shot was ridiculous.
let s not post any spoilers
thank you ;D
Quote from: $cHm0cK on Dec 20, 2007, 09:50:12 PM
Quote from: Yellow Alien on Dec 20, 2007, 09:37:28 PM
But if most opinions are "it sucks", what do you expect?
So most opinions are two fan reviews and some fanboys on this board? Come on ...
greetz
I not specifically talking about these two fan reviews, I'm talking in general.
Quote from: Originalsin on Dec 20, 2007, 09:50:57 PM
Evil DEads gore is over the top, but it's still a kick ass movie!!! GO GORE!!!
Evil Dead is not AVP. I love The Story of Ricky for it's over the top gore and violence, but that fits nowhere with the Alien series.
Quote from: Mr.Bubbles on Dec 20, 2007, 09:51:38 PM
QuoteDo you think it's better than AVP or it's equally bad but in other areas?
It is terribly amateurish, I don't want to spoil alot unless anybody wants me to but generally the movie wasn't better than AvP. It looks like they tried too hard. I hate AvP but this was just an over-kill. I knew it was going to be bad, but at least I hoped it was going to be fun.
What do you mean with tried to hard?
How?
QuoteMr bubbles, I wanna know whats so bad about it?
If you already explaned then im sorry to ask this.
That's easy to answer since most of the faults were already pointed-out by people like Gates and others that generally weren't happy with the movie.
For example though I'd point-out that the teen scenes were horrible and if you hated what you saw in the trailers your'e gonna laugh your arse off in the cinema.
Go Watch The Originals!!!!! GORE is what is in them and gore is what should stay in them!!!!! If you look at the geneoligy of the alien franchise, the gore gets worse and worse. It's the same with the predator movies. Just watch and see
Alien and Aliens have virtually no gore except for the chestburster scenes.
I dont see how people dnt think this movie is not gonna be fun maybe if u guys stop complaining about everything and just eventually go to the theaters thinking "Yeah im seeing this finally." and not "I wonder how bad this movie is."
Just enjoy the movie that is what movies are made for YOUR ENTERTAINMENT AND ENJOYMENT.
Quote from: Yellow Alien on Dec 20, 2007, 09:55:58 PM
Alien and Aliens have virtually no gore except for the chestburster scenes.
yeah there more about scarness and shock.
QuoteWhat do you mean with tried to hard?
How?
For example the gore and the R-rating. They tried to make it better this time, but in the cinemas the gore scenes are absolutely useless and drag this movie into the levels of goreporn movies. The gore shots aren't scary or shocking they are just lame. Also there were alot of homages in the movie, I'd even go as far as saying that some scenes were blatant rip-off's but that's maybe just me.
QuoteJust enjoy the movie that is what movies are made for YOUR ENTERTAINMENT AND ENJOYMENT.
The thing is I had that attitude before the showing, I knew I wasn't going to exactly like it, but I never knew I was going to dislike it as much as I do.
Now this may just be my opinion, but I don't think that gore makes a good or bad movie. Sure, it's sometimes good, but i've seen plenty of horror movies that are good with no gore. I can't wait to see this movie, will it be as good as the originals? Probabaly not, but I'm looking forward to a movie that shows the ALiens and Predators going head to head again!
Quote from: Mr.Bubbles on Dec 20, 2007, 09:58:37 PM
QuoteJust enjoy the movie that is what movies are made for YOUR ENTERTAINMENT AND ENJOYMENT.
The thing is I had that attitude before the showing, I knew I wasn't going to exactly like it, but I never knew I was going to dislike it as much as I do.
ok, well thx for sharing you opinions with us.
What people are forgetting is this AVP there never gonna beat the originals, you should just look at them as fun films and hopefully they are.
Quote from: Mr.Bubbles on Dec 20, 2007, 09:58:37 PM
QuoteJust enjoy the movie that is what movies are made for YOUR ENTERTAINMENT AND ENJOYMENT.
The thing is I had that attitude before the showing, I knew I wasn't going to exactly like it, but I never knew I was going to dislike it as much as I do.
Can we really expect more than gore and fighting (as much as I wish it wasn't) from AVP movies i think u guys have a little to high of expectations
Quote from: Mr.Bubbles on Dec 20, 2007, 09:58:37 PM
QuoteJust enjoy the movie that is what movies are made for YOUR ENTERTAINMENT AND ENJOYMENT.
The thing is I had that attitude before the showing, I knew I wasn't going to exactly like it, but I never knew I was going to dislike it as much as I do.
Sry bout double post but i dont think anyone will read if i just modify it but are u saying u didny even enjoy the film or it did not entertain you
QuoteWhat people are forgetting is this AVP there never gonna beat the originals, you should just look at them as fun films and hopefully they are.
So basically AVPR is on the same level as Freddy vs Jason. I have nothing against Freddy vs Jason but AVPR could and SHOULD have more substance.
Dragon-Pred: I was hoping to enjoy some of the fight scenes and I was hoping at least part of the movie would be memorable. But it all went down so fast(thank you short running time), that it just sort of ended, I left the theatre and tommorow I won't even remember half of what was going on.
Quote from: Porkus Maximus on Dec 20, 2007, 10:05:48 PM
QuoteWhat people are forgetting is this AVP there never gonna beat the originals, you should just look at them as fun films and hopefully they are.
So basically AVPR is on the same level as Freddy vs Jason. I have nothing against Freddy vs Jason but AVPR could and SHOULD have more substance.
I know I want them to be good as well but do you really think they could comapre to Aliens one of camerons best film nd the first pred film that set a standard for action/sc-fi.
I think the thing that shot them in the foot from day one is setting it on earth but we all know that but then it could still turn into crappy ressurection. Im just gonna try and enjoy it for what it is and if it pisses me off then I wont watch it again.
Quote from: nukem11 on Dec 20, 2007, 10:09:21 PM
Quote from: Porkus Maximus on Dec 20, 2007, 10:05:48 PM
QuoteWhat people are forgetting is this AVP there never gonna beat the originals, you should just look at them as fun films and hopefully they are.
So basically AVPR is on the same level as Freddy vs Jason. I have nothing against Freddy vs Jason but AVPR could and SHOULD have more substance.
I know I want them to be good as well but do you really think they could comapre to Aliens one of camerons best film nd the first pred film that set a standard for action/sc-fi.
I think the thing that shot them in the foot from day one is setting it on earth but we all know that but then it could still turn into crappy ressurection. Im just gonna try and enjoy it for what it is and if it pisses me off then I wont watch it again.
You expect way to much from these films I mean u guys dnt really realise that the Strauses saved us from a Chet with plasma caster and from a lot of other stupid crap give them some credit if this movie is at least entertaining b/c the other movie would have been f**king horrible
Well, as I said before, I will see this movie before I can judge it.
But whats bothering me is that COLIN said, (We made a movie for the fans, and you will like it)
most of them who seen the film has already said it SUCKT ASS.
What does it take to make a good movie nowdays? God damnit.
They could only dream about matching Scott Or Cameron, but they the reality is they fall way short of the mark.
Most of the reviews were written by alien fans, who have to have this movie by default.
Quote from: Lionhart on Dec 20, 2007, 10:10:58 PM
Well, as I said before, I will see this movie before I can judge it.
But whats bothering me is that COLIN said, (We made a movie for the fans, and you will like it)
most of them who seen the film has already said it SUCKT ASS.
What does it take to make a good movie nowdays? God damnit.
Very hard to make a good movie knowadays considering stuff like stealing other peoples ideas It just has become alot harder to make great movies (not saying there arent good movies)
QuoteMost of the reviews were written by alien fans, who have to have this movie by default.
I am an alien fan. I didn't like the idea of Wolf killing a bunch of aliens before I seen it, but that is probably the last thing I hate about it, as of now.
Quote from: Dragon-Pred on Dec 20, 2007, 10:13:10 PM
Quote from: Lionhart on Dec 20, 2007, 10:10:58 PM
Well, as I said before, I will see this movie before I can judge it.
But whats bothering me is that COLIN said, (We made a movie for the fans, and you will like it)
most of them who seen the film has already said it SUCKT ASS.
What does it take to make a good movie nowdays? God damnit.
Very hard to make a good movie knowadays considering stuff like stealing other peoples ideas It just has become alot harder to make great movies (not saying there arent good movies)
Yeah.
Well if hollywood would stop making so many god damn movies maybe there would be good movies nowdays.
I mean they are producing so many films every f**king day that they are out of ideas. So what do they do? They do remakes and stuff like that, And that sucks even MORE.
Quote from: Lionhart on Dec 20, 2007, 10:10:58 PM
Well, as I said before, I will see this movie before I can judge it.
But whats bothering me is that COLIN said, (We made a movie for the fans, and you will like it)
most of them who seen the film has already said it SUCKT ASS.
What does it take to make a good movie nowdays? God damnit.
Talented directors for one who have good visions.
Quote from: Lionhart on Dec 20, 2007, 10:15:50 PM
Quote from: Dragon-Pred on Dec 20, 2007, 10:13:10 PM
Quote from: Lionhart on Dec 20, 2007, 10:10:58 PM
I mean they are producing so many films every f**king day that they are out of ideas.
Exactly just look at Steven Kings the Mist shows that ppl eventually run out of good ideas Not all his movies were good but some made you think and well others were just plain...
I really liked this review that just has been posted on the positive review topic.
spoiler!
http://imdb.com/title/tt0758730/board/thread/92717906?d=92717906&p=1#92717906
A real positive review, this shows its a a very nice movie to see,
"we cant really compare it like the original movies, but for its budget it looks twice as good"
I still cant wait to see the movie!!!
Quote from: nukem11 on Dec 20, 2007, 10:16:00 PM
Quote from: Lionhart on Dec 20, 2007, 10:10:58 PM
Well, as I said before, I will see this movie before I can judge it.
But whats bothering me is that COLIN said, (We made a movie for the fans, and you will like it)
most of them who seen the film has already said it SUCKT ASS.
What does it take to make a good movie nowdays? God damnit.
Talented directors for one who have good visions.
I dont think Cameron and John McTiernan will ever touch an Alien or an Predator film again.
Quote from: Yautja161 on Dec 20, 2007, 10:18:35 PM
I really liked this review that just has been posted on the positive review topic.
spoiler!
http://imdb.com/title/tt0758730/board/thread/92717906?d=92717906&p=1#92717906
A real positive review, this shows its a a very nice movie to see,
"we cant really compare it like the original movies, but for its budget it looks twice as good"
I still cant wait to see the movie!!!
"In the end its not the epic space opera that many wanted but it is a fun monster romp that exploits the Aliens on Earth storyline and offers the most interesting Predator character since the original."
Thats good enough for me.
Quote from: Porkus Maximus on Dec 20, 2007, 10:05:48 PM
QuoteWhat people are forgetting is this AVP there never gonna beat the originals, you should just look at them as fun films and hopefully they are.
So basically AVPR is on the same level as Freddy vs Jason. I have nothing against Freddy vs Jason but AVPR could and SHOULD have more substance.
AvPR, IMO is somewhere between AvP and FvJ. As Mr. Bubbles said it's rather forgettable movie.
Quote from: Dragon-Pred on Dec 20, 2007, 10:18:06 PM
Quote from: Lionhart on Dec 20, 2007, 10:15:50 PM
Quote from: Dragon-Pred on Dec 20, 2007, 10:13:10 PM
Quote from: Lionhart on Dec 20, 2007, 10:10:58 PM
I mean they are producing so many films every f**king day that they are out of ideas.
Exactly just look at Steven Kings the Mist shows that ppl eventually run out of good ideas Not all his movies were good but some made you think and well others were just plain...
Yeah, I agree.
Quote from: Yautja161 on Dec 20, 2007, 10:18:35 PM
I really liked this review that just has been posted on the positive review topic.
spoiler!
http://imdb.com/title/tt0758730/board/thread/92717906?d=92717906&p=1#92717906
A real positive review, this shows its a a very nice movie to see,
"we cant really compare it like the original movies, but for its budget it looks twice as good"
I still cant wait to see the movie!!!
WTF no spoilers there were bunch >:( I had to stop readsing
My hotdog is spoiled...
Well, this review sounds more like what I'm expecting to see,
Can't wait!!
These damage control threads mean even less.
Quote from: Bronx19 on Dec 20, 2007, 10:39:14 PM
These damage control threads mean even less.
What are you talking about control thread
Cause im telling everyone "to like the movie" yeah thats it ::)
Quote from: Dragon-Pred on Dec 20, 2007, 10:41:07 PM
Quote from: Bronx19 on Dec 20, 2007, 10:39:14 PM
These damage control threads mean even less.
What are you talking about control thread
Cause im telling everyone "to like the movie" yeah thats it ::)
You're telling everyone that the bad reviews mean nothing, the movie is still good, it just wont receive any awards. Some of you are going in for a nasty surprise shortly.
Quote from: nukem11 on Dec 20, 2007, 10:02:22 PM
What people are forgetting is this AVP there never gonna beat the originals, you should just look at them as fun films and hopefully they are.
I personally can't stand statements like this. There is no reason why an AvP movie cannot be a great film. What is the point of making a movie if your not going to try to make it as fantastic as possible?
Quote from: Bronx19 on Dec 20, 2007, 10:47:52 PM
Quote from: Dragon-Pred on Dec 20, 2007, 10:41:07 PM
Quote from: Bronx19 on Dec 20, 2007, 10:39:14 PM
These damage control threads mean even less.
What are you talking about control thread
Cause im telling everyone "to like the movie" yeah thats it ::)
You're telling everyone that the bad reviews mean nothing, the movie is still good, it just wont receive any awards. Some of you are going in for a nasty surprise shortly.
Did u read the title i simply said they dnt mean alot and I could give a shit waht you think or any other yahoo for that matter
And next time read the entire thread and if u did then u clearly misinterpereted it
Quote from: Dragon-Pred on Dec 20, 2007, 11:37:08 PM
Quote from: Bronx19 on Dec 20, 2007, 10:47:52 PM
Quote from: Dragon-Pred on Dec 20, 2007, 10:41:07 PM
Quote from: Bronx19 on Dec 20, 2007, 10:39:14 PM
These damage control threads mean even less.
What are you talking about control thread
Cause im telling everyone "to like the movie" yeah thats it ::)
You're telling everyone that the bad reviews mean nothing, the movie is still good, it just wont receive any awards. Some of you are going in for a nasty surprise shortly.
Did u read the title i simply said they dnt mean alot and I could give a shit waht you think or any other yahoo for that matter
And next time read the entire thread and if u did then u clearly misinterpereted it
You care enough to reply to my post and get worked up.
Quote from: Demonio Cazador on Dec 20, 2007, 10:31:23 PM
Well, this review sounds more like what I'm expecting to see,
Can't wait!!
I agree, i argee on everything what the person said in that review. It nice to see a review who is not a hater or a fanboy.
Quote from: Ratchetcomand on Dec 20, 2007, 11:40:38 PMI agree, i argee on everything what the person said in that review. It nice to see a review who is not a hater or a fanboy.
As it is only these two groups that dislike the movie...? ???
Quote from: Bronx19 on Dec 20, 2007, 11:39:50 PM
Quote from: Dragon-Pred on Dec 20, 2007, 11:37:08 PM
Quote from: Bronx19 on Dec 20, 2007, 10:47:52 PM
Quote from: Dragon-Pred on Dec 20, 2007, 10:41:07 PM
Quote from: Bronx19 on Dec 20, 2007, 10:39:14 PM
These damage control threads mean even less.
What are you talking about control thread
Cause im telling everyone "to like the movie" yeah thats it ::)
You're telling everyone that the bad reviews mean nothing, the movie is still good, it just wont receive any awards. Some of you are going in for a nasty surprise shortly.
Did u read the title i simply said they dnt mean alot and I could give a shit waht you think or any other yahoo for that matter
And next time read the entire thread and if u did then u clearly misinterpereted it
You care enough to reply to my post and get worked up.
Not really im just bored sometimes and arguing is as u said kinda works ppl up
This is a nice summing up review from someone who didn't abosuletely hate it.
(the one in the link)
no spoilers
"The overall feel of the film is very much grounded in the style of the 80s. The gore is intense and gruesome but it's also kind of funny in a demented Sam Raimi kind of way. (That is if you find exploding pregnant bellies funny and seriously come on, who doesn't?) The Brothers Strause definitely wear their love of Aliens and Predator on their sleeve as there are numerous homages throughout the film. But they handle the tone way better than their predecessor knowing when to play it straight and when to not take things too seriously. The film looks twice as expensive as it's budget with a pretty epic ending and non-stop action in the third act. I'd definitely like to see what they could have pulled off with a bigger budget that was more in line with rest of the series.
In the end its not the epic space opera that many wanted but it is a fun monster romp that exploits the Aliens on Earth storyline and offers the most interesting Predator character since the original."
Quote from: nukem11 on Dec 20, 2007, 09:30:58 PM
I think it will be pretty good not amazing though.
yep i think the same not AVP 1 but pretty good
Heres some more from the reviewer
no spoilers
"I mentioned plenty of negatives. I guess the biggest is that the location but that kind of goes into slamming a film because of what you wanted it to be instead of reviewing it on its own merits.
I didn't expect it to equal the originals but I was surprised at how enjoyable it was.
I'd say 6.7/10"
Regardless of reviews, most people want to see AVP-R over National Treasure etc. I Am Legend got kind of crappy reviews but I thought it was great.
off topic but where the special effects really unconvincing?
200million and they werent convincing. It opens january 3rd here
Quote from: Originalsin on Dec 20, 2007, 09:40:11 PM
it's been the number one most anticipated movie for almost a month now!!! That beats golden compas, I am legend, Alvin and the chipmunks.....
Fox could be paying Yahoo, or the parent company of Fox and Yahoo might be the same...
Quote from: gases on Dec 21, 2007, 02:20:32 AM
off topic but where the special effects really unconvincing?
200million and they werent convincing. It opens january 3rd here
Wat u refering to
Quote from: Weasel on Dec 21, 2007, 02:17:37 AM
Regardless of reviews, most people want to see AVP-R over National Treasure etc. I Am Legend got kind of crappy reviews but I thought it was great.
Weren't there some bad reviews for the original Star Wars and Predator as well? I was surprised to learn today that 300 got some bad write-ups as well.
Quote from: holdtheline on Dec 21, 2007, 03:38:35 AM
Quote from: Weasel on Dec 21, 2007, 02:17:37 AM
Regardless of reviews, most people want to see AVP-R over National Treasure etc. I Am Legend got kind of crappy reviews but I thought it was great.
Weren't there some bad reviews for the original Star Wars and Predator as well? I was surprised to learn today that 300 got some bad write-ups as well.
Prolly did knowing how somw ppl are they have to try and be smartasses
Quote from: Dragon-Pred on Dec 21, 2007, 02:37:16 AM
Quote from: gases on Dec 21, 2007, 02:20:32 AM
off topic but where the special effects really unconvincing?
200million and they werent convincing. It opens january 3rd here
Wat u refering to
oh, I Am Legend. Saw some reviews that said special effects weren't that great.
Quote from: Dragon-Pred on Dec 21, 2007, 04:04:41 AM
Prolly did knowing how somw ppl are they have to try and be smartasses
Yeah, it'd be inconceivable that there might be someone out there to give any of those films a bad review. Y'ever consider the possiblity that they just might not have liked the film/s?
Quote from: Johnny Handsome on Dec 20, 2007, 09:30:23 PM
QuoteBad reviews dnt mean alot.
A review in general doesnt mean a lot.
no they dont...I dont take reviews for face value...I make up my OWN mind..
Quote from: Dasani on Dec 20, 2007, 10:12:25 PM
Most of the reviews were written by alien fans, who have to have this movie by default.
The truth is often simple
it's like predator fans writing reviews for AvP1
I understand that many alien fans are dissatisfied with AvP1...but almost every predator fan hates it, 99% of fans who like AvP1 are alien fans
Quote from: Uncanny Antman on Dec 21, 2007, 04:08:47 AM
Quote from: Dragon-Pred on Dec 21, 2007, 04:04:41 AM
Prolly did knowing how somw ppl are they have to try and be smartasses
Yeah, it'd be inconceivable that there might be someone out there to give any of those films a bad review. Y'ever consider the possiblity that they just might not have liked the film/s?
I never said any of the reviewers were. it just some ppl which outta 6 billion is a very small amount. I was just saying very few of bad reviews of good movies like lets say one I read about Gladiator was just the guy being a smartass
I don't see how whatever it is you just said means my point isn't valid.
You're saying that if the masses like a movie, then anyone who gives it a negative review is just a smartass. I'm saying that is not the case.
Quote from: Uncanny Antman on Dec 21, 2007, 04:57:18 AM
I don't see how whatever it is you just said means my point isn't valid.
You're saying that if the masses like a movie, then anyone who gives it a negative review is just a smartass. I'm saying that is not the case.
Ill put it simple no thats no what i meant and im sry if that is what it seemed like what I meant
Every movie gets shitty reviews, no matter how good or bad it is. And some movies that rank under 25% on RT have made HUGE money, so it's hard to put that much weight into them. Look at 300, it had many bad reviews but that movie kicked ass.
Word of mouth is what helps movies make money, not reviews.
Well, 300 didn't get that bad of reviews. Isn't it like 60% fresh at RT?
That's a fact right there. I enjoyed 300 a lot. Then I heard that ti actually got bad reviews, and I was shocked to find that out.
60% isn't what I'd call a great rating.
300 was boring and stupid, by the way. ;)
Quote from: Yellow Alien on Dec 21, 2007, 05:05:51 AM
Well, 300 didn't get that bad of reviews. Isn't it like 60% fresh at RT?
I'm not sure what it was, but 60% fresh still means there were 40% bad reviews. I know I saw some nasty mean reviews of the movie, but I loved it, and everyone I know loved it too.
It just shows how different people like different stuff.
Quote from: Colin_Strause on Dec 21, 2007, 05:08:49 AM
Quote from: Yellow Alien on Dec 21, 2007, 05:05:51 AM
Well, 300 didn't get that bad of reviews. Isn't it like 60% fresh at RT?
I'm not sure what it was, but 60% fresh still means there were 40% bad reviews. I know I saw some nasty mean reviews of the movie, but I loved it, and everyone I know loved it too.
It just shows how different people like different stuff.
So true.
I know I loved it.
My point was that majority of critics liked it.
Would you say this movie is critic proof?
Quote from: echobbase79 on Dec 21, 2007, 05:13:35 AM
Would you say this movie is critic proof?
Is there a movie that is critic proof?
Saw movies?
At Rotten Tomatoes, has there been a movie that has a 100 percent rating.
I prefer to decide for myself on things. I don't out and out hate AvP1, just find it diapointing and lacking. It had so much potencial to go further but never did. I still own a copy of it.
In general i don't take reviews for any movies seriously.
Quote from: Khan on Dec 21, 2007, 05:17:25 AM
At Rotten Tomatoes, has there been a movie that has a 100 percent rating.
Alien and Aliens.
This is what I'm referring to. It kind of talks about it.
http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/hr/search/article_display.jsp?vnu_content_id=1002612206
Quote from: Yellow Alien on Dec 21, 2007, 05:17:51 AM
Quote from: Khan on Dec 21, 2007, 05:17:25 AM
At Rotten Tomatoes, has there been a movie that has a 100 percent rating.
Alien and Aliens.
Alien is 97%
Guess I am mistaken.
Whoever gave it a bad review needs a good ass'whoppin.
Meh even if some movie gets 95% and its about drama or something else I will not go see it. Reason: I don't like sole drama movies. This is why I can still watch AVP and find it more enjoyable than a lot of other movies, because I like the stuff in it. The 95% review didn't earn the drama movie much more money than something else with "cool subject matter".
p.s I'm gonna watch this movie a lot.
Well, bad reviews or not, I'm still going to see this movie. I don't care what Ebert and other critics say. I want to be my own critic. I have been excited for this film, since seeing the Red Band and I'm even more excited now. I'm not expecting 4 stars, but at least it will kick THE f**k out of Anderson's AVP! I'm going into this movie as a fun, pop-corn horror/sci-fi film and not thinking "Alien 5" or "Predator 3".
If the majority of reviews of AVP R are really bad, then yeah, it might hurt it, but Colin is right, there have been many movies that were "bad" and didn't get great reviews, but made alot of money (cough* Spider-man 3 *cough).
I'm expecting AVP R to be a 2.5 or 3 stars out of 4.
BTW, Colin, are you at all surprised that some people have seen the film, already?
Even though some critics arent allowed to see it?
Quote from: Khan on Dec 21, 2007, 05:46:35 AM
Even though some critics arent allowed to see it?
We did a cast and crew screenings Tuesday night on the Fox lot.
Quote from: Colin_Strause on Dec 21, 2007, 05:55:21 AM
We did a cast and crew screenings Tuesday night on the Fox lot.
And there was much rejoicing.
**looks at SiL and Colin**
***slowly walks out of thread***
Quote from: T-X on Dec 21, 2007, 06:03:12 AM
**looks at SiL and Colin**
***slowly walks out of thread***
Hey, if there
wasn't much rejoicing, we should all just kiss the movie goodbye :P
No amount of bad whiney reviews are gonna keep me away from this. Won't be able to see it opening day but as soon as i get back from visiting my folks i'm gonna be hauling ass to the local big cinema... with my flat mate in tow. He just wants to come with me to see me giggle exitedly with all the gore and my 2 fave movie monsters. Yes i am a disturbed person.
Nice to see your still here with us Colin. If you or Greg ever come to Australia expect a glomping from me if your ever in Melbourne. ;D
Quote from: SiL on Dec 21, 2007, 05:58:12 AM
Quote from: Colin_Strause on Dec 21, 2007, 05:55:21 AM
We did a cast and crew screenings Tuesday night on the Fox lot.
And there was much rejoicing.
And they were forced to eat Roberts ministerials. And there was much rejoicing.
Quote from: Khan on Dec 21, 2007, 05:17:25 AM
At Rotten Tomatoes, has there been a movie that has a 100 percent rating.
Aliens...
Jurassic Park only has a 87 over there. Not all their judgment is good.
Quote from: Colin_Strause on Dec 21, 2007, 05:55:21 AM
Quote from: Khan on Dec 21, 2007, 05:46:35 AM
Even though some critics arent allowed to see it?
We did a cast and crew screenings Tuesday night on the Fox lot.
You did not answer the question there, Colin...!
Why the PRO critics aren't getting a whiff of this movie...?
Can you answer us that...? ;)
It is not the percentage that affects me, it's the tone and the ground covered in that review...
Spoilers or not, if a review cover the ground from the script (Preprod) to the VFX (post-prod) and the result is not good (spoilers/movie facts help the reviewer exemplify whis claims) and when 3 FAN reviewers state the movie is bad, I tend to believe them more, because the first NON-FAN (Movie web) one clearly shows that he knows that the more people will see the movie, the more possibilities Alien 5 and Predator 3 will have to be done... ::)
And it is what's in the reviews that matter, not stars or percentages...I would not compare a 29% Next with a 22% AVP... And I surely would not have given 100% to Aliens with all its 'imperfections'...
Hence why only the CONTENT of the review means anything to me... That and the pedigree of the reviewer... And they exist to prevent us from spending our money on bad movies... Like a warning sign: 'See it at your own peril'...!
vehtam's friend did a Spoiler-free review and had many points of contact with Dacu's review... They are fans, not some newspaper reviewer who will watch it and analyse it not in terms of fandomness, but in terms of watchability and quality of the movie's intrincate parts... A movie being the sum of all parts, not just one or two... ;)
Quote from: Khan on Dec 21, 2007, 05:17:25 AM
At Rotten Tomatoes, has there been a movie that has a 100 percent rating.
Toy Story 2 has a 100%.
Quote from: YutaniDitch on Dec 21, 2007, 12:24:17 PM
It is not the percentage that affects me, it's the tone and the ground covered in that review...
Spoilers or not, if a review cover the ground from the script (Preprod) to the VFX (post-prod) and the result is not good (spoilers/movie facts help the reviewer exemplify whis claims) and when 3 FAN reviewers state the movie is bad, I tend to believe them more, because the first NON-FAN (Movie web) one clearly shows that he knows that the more people will see the movie, the more possibilities Alien 5 and Predator 3 will have to be done... ::)
And it is what's in the reviews that matter, not stars or percentages...I would not compare a 29% Next with a 22% AVP... And I surely would not have given 100% to Aliens with all its 'imperfections'...
Hence why only the CONTENT of the review means anything to me... That and the pedigree of the reviewer... And they exist to prevent us from spending our money on bad movies... Like a warning sign: 'See it at your own peril'...!
vehtam's friend did a Spoiler-free review and had many points of contact with Dacu's review... They are fans, not some newspaper reviewer who will watch it and analyse it not in terms of fandomness, but in terms of watchability and quality of the movie's intrincate parts... A movie being the sum of all parts, not just one or two... ;)
mate, if god himself came down and said the movie rocked the heavens, you would still doubt him, you made your mind up 2 months ago.
its blindly obvious to me that guys like you, gates and the crew will not like it one bit, and the guys who are looking forward to it will.
theres no middle ground here, i dont think anyone on eitherside of the fence is in for any surprises.
Get over it.
Some of the people who wanna like it are gonna come out crying with disappointment.
The reverse is also true, but without the crying.
Any self respecting movie goer will hate this, hell even those that don't mind having a bit of mindless fun are for one big dissapointment.
Quote from: Uncanny Antman on Dec 21, 2007, 01:37:32 PM
Get over it.
Some of the people who wanna like it are gonna come out crying with disappointment.
The reverse is also true, but without the crying.
i disagree, most of the people who want to like it , also want to just see shit getting blown up and vs fights, the people who dont well.... dont
like i said theres nothing that should change your mind now, than when that first leeked script and photo wheeled its way onto the net 9 months ago.
the path has been straight as an arrow, the only bend being the RC of the predalien.
I guess we'll see when the movie comes out.
the old classic!
I'm trying to wheel my way in to the sunday showing here in perth,if i do, i'll be sure to post a we review to add to the tally.
Quote from: highlandpred on Dec 21, 2007, 02:04:49 PM
the old classic!
I didn't have much choice. We're arguing about something that can't be quantified until people actually start reacting to the film.
My prediction? A slow building but strong wave of, "Not as bad as AvP" type reviews.
To be honest, the film looks pretty entertaining based on what I have seen so far. If the average moviegoer thinks the film is "cool" and good word of mouth spreads, it will be a hit. I have to say that I am somewhat disappointed in what I have read so far. Fans of the series have not liked it, for the most part, and that is a bad sign. I will give it a chance and voice my opinion once I see it. Will it be all that I hoped for? I doubt it, but if I come out of the theater liking it, that's good enough for me. It has to be an improvement over the first one, and even though I did like several scences from that film, it didn't work overall. I just wants lots of action, lots of blood, and lots of cool fighting scenes. Basically, I want to be entertained and not over-analyze the film. Take it for what it is....cheesy entertainment at its best...hopefully.
i fear for it a little, if i'm being honest, the guys that will go see this will be looking at the clock with a stinkin hang over, i know i will.
meanwhile the kiddies are lining up for the golden compass.
i feel this will be one of those slow burners, so i'm expecting a tank on opening, with a day by day profit.
Quote from: highlandpred on Dec 21, 2007, 01:35:02 PM
Quote from: YutaniDitch on Dec 21, 2007, 12:24:17 PM
It is not the percentage that affects me, it's the tone and the ground covered in that review...
Spoilers or not, if a review cover the ground from the script (Preprod) to the VFX (post-prod) and the result is not good (spoilers/movie facts help the reviewer exemplify whis claims) and when 3 FAN reviewers state the movie is bad, I tend to believe them more, because the first NON-FAN (Movie web) one clearly shows that he knows that the more people will see the movie, the more possibilities Alien 5 and Predator 3 will have to be done... ::)
And it is what's in the reviews that matter, not stars or percentages...I would not compare a 29% Next with a 22% AVP... And I surely would not have given 100% to Aliens with all its 'imperfections'...
Hence why only the CONTENT of the review means anything to me... That and the pedigree of the reviewer... And they exist to prevent us from spending our money on bad movies... Like a warning sign: 'See it at your own peril'...!
vehtam's friend did a Spoiler-free review and had many points of contact with Dacu's review... They are fans, not some newspaper reviewer who will watch it and analyse it not in terms of fandomness, but in terms of watchability and quality of the movie's intrincate parts... A movie being the sum of all parts, not just one or two... ;)
mate, if god himself came down and said the movie rocked the heavens, you would still doubt him, you made your mind up 2 months ago.
its blindly obvious to me that guys like you, gates and the crew will not like it one bit, and the guys who are looking forward to it will.
theres no middle ground here, i dont think anyone on eitherside of the fence is in for any surprises.
Shows what you know, highland...
I seem to recall saying the thing you quoted in regards to a FAN REVIEW... he just confirmed my worst expectations... Hell, the three fan reviews just confirmed one another... But hope DOES springs eternal, doesn't it...?
I don't want the movie to tank, but if it is indeed bad, then I hope it does so, so that we won't have any more of those raping the franchises any further...
I just hope that come the day it premieres in Australia, you will see it and be able to give your HONEST, SUBJECTIVE input about it afterwards... I really do...
So, make all the assumptions you want, you're still miles away from getting my point, highland... As usual... ::) :D
i,m a very honest man yutani, if it was a stinker, beleive me, i'd be saying, yep you guys were right, i have no reservations about folding my hand, i'm always honest in most of the things i do
but you have to admit, you have had it in for this movie for a very long time, so these reviews are almost like music to your ears.
I've read the non-spoiler reviews, and they say nothing to me which i dont already know, and have known since frost and AICN way back 9 months ago.
Difference is, i kinda knew where it was all heading, but i suppose some people sit on that cloud waiting for that film that will never come along.
highlandpred I think you might be dissapointed with the final product... Regardless of your stance.
Quote from: Mr.Bubbles on Dec 21, 2007, 01:39:54 PM
Any self respecting movie goer will hate this, hell even those that don't mind having a bit of mindless fun are for one big dissapointment.
your wrong, i already have seen enough footage to make an opinion about this movie, and it looks more watcheble then Alien. Alien is too slow paced for me and it wasnt that scary when i saw it 10+ years ago, :-\
but some of you guys do have high standerds, not that its wrong but its almost inpossible to make a good movie these days without a good director/cast,etc. the last good new movie i saw was 300 up till now all the movies pretty much sucked :-\ I am Legend was watchble but i expected more :(,
and now comes my conclusion: its better then AVP/A:R/P2, worse then P1/A2/A3 its right in the middle for me.
I don't know if it's better than AvP because personally I hated it as much albeit for different reasons.
And in my opinion P2 totally rapes this while A:R isn't as bad as is this.
The thing is I wasn't hoping for another Alien/Aliens/Alien 3/Predator but at least I hope I would enjoy it, which I absolutely didn't.
Battlefield Earth got a 100% ;)
wait i think that was a nightmare....
Quote from: karhan on Dec 21, 2007, 03:36:21 PM
the last good new movie i saw was 300 up till now all the movies pretty much sucked :-\ I am Legend was watchble but i expected more :(,
If you only see the 'big' movies, it's no wonder you didn't like much lately.
Quote from: Uncanny Antman on Dec 21, 2007, 03:48:22 PM
Quote from: karhan on Dec 21, 2007, 03:36:21 PM
the last good new movie i saw was 300 up till now all the movies pretty much sucked :-\ I am Legend was watchble but i expected more :(,
If you only see the 'big' movies, it's no wonder you didn't like much lately.
i didnt watch only "big" movies, iam speaking in general
Fair enough, but if your scale tells you that 300 was the only good film you've seen, your tastes are far narrower than mine. :)
some of ya'll are trying to make others not like it or what?.....
yea we get that you did'nt dig it....Some will....hell I just want to get entertained with some high octain action/gore.....if I wan't the feeling that I get from the originals.....I'll watch the originals.....but man.....ya should stop pushing how "unwatchable" it is to YOU.....it's getting repetative....
Quote from: Uncanny Antman on Dec 21, 2007, 03:57:43 PM
Fair enough, but if your scale tells you that 300 was the only good film you've seen, your tastes are far narrower than mine. :)
well thats just me ;D
is the runtime short then?
if it is then i wont be expecting much, i hate short movies.
Quote from: mostlycome@nite on Dec 21, 2007, 03:58:46 PM
some of ya'll are trying to make others not like it or what?.....
yea we get that you did'nt dig it....Some will....hell I just want to get entertained with some high octain action/gore.....if I wan't the feeling that I get from the originals.....I'll watch the originals.....but man.....ya should stop pushing how "unwatchable" it is to YOU.....it's getting repetative....
When did anyone actually try to dissuade others from seeing it? And how are their views any less repetative than yours?
Predator was a relatively short movie. Yet it got its point across.
I hav'nt wrote 15 times how bad it was... ;)
Most people think that I Am Legend did not deliver, yet the movie will still gross so many Mil. I personally think I Am Legend was the corniest movie ever. The CGI was terrible on the creatures, and I think a little bit more detail on them was necessary. I mean, tell us more about what he's up against instead of wasting 40 minutes showing us a day in the life of Robert Neville. Skip to the action, please! There's only one main character, why spend so much time developing him?
That's kind of the point of the whole story, following one man and how he copes with potentially being the last man on earth. If you wanted it to go straight into the action I'm guessing the movie flew right over your head and you never read the book.
I Am Legend will deliver purely on the basis that it has Will Smith in it. He is pretty much unstoppable right now.
what if Will Smith was in AVP3 :o it would be pretty cool i think, he did a good job in independence day :-\
Quote from: karhan on Dec 21, 2007, 05:24:03 PM
what if Will Smith was in AVP3 :o it would be pretty cool i think, he did a good job in independence day :-\
Wilt Smith is too expensive for Fox...Why do you think they went for the TV guys' cast...? ;)
I can't see Will Smith in a AVP movie. I rather see Michael Jai White then Will Smith.
Neither can I.
Quote from: YutaniDitch on Dec 21, 2007, 05:33:09 PM
Quote from: karhan on Dec 21, 2007, 05:24:03 PM
what if Will Smith was in AVP3 :o it would be pretty cool i think, he did a good job in independence day :-\
Wilt Smith is too expensive for Fox...Why do you think they went for the TV guys' cast...? ;)
LOL your right, but for me if AVP3/P3/A5 is in space then the lead "hero"role would go to..........
AVP3=Bruce willis P3=Mel Gibson (Danny glover did P2 so let Mel do P3 :P) and A5= i honostly dont know would play a lead role in A5, who would you pick YutanyDitch ???
Ive only seen the Movie Web review and 1 review from some dude at RT, so where are the others people are talking about?
Quote from: Colin_Strause on Dec 21, 2007, 05:04:07 AM
Every movie gets shitty reviews, no matter how good or bad it is. And some movies that rank under 25% on RT have made HUGE money, so it's hard to put that much weight into them. Look at 300, it had many bad reviews but that movie kicked ass.
Word of mouth is what helps movies make money, not reviews.
That true, The Shawshank Redemption has a 88% at RT but yet it has been voted to be the best movie ever made on other web sites like Yahoo movies and IMDB.
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Quote from: YutaniDitch on Dec 21, 2007, 05:33:09 PM
Quote from: karhan on Dec 21, 2007, 05:24:03 PM
what if Will Smith was in AVP3 :o it would be pretty cool i think, he did a good job in independence day :-\
Wilt Smith is too expensive for Fox...Why do you think they went for the TV guys' cast...? ;)
LOL your right, but for me if AVP3/P3/A5 is in space then the lead "hero"role would go to..........
AVP3=Bruce willis P3=Mel Gibson (Danny glover did P2 so let Mel do P3 :P) and A5= i honostly dont know would play a lead role in A5, who would you pick YutanyDitch ???
I would think the casting from a perspective of experience-quality-affordability...
It would depend on the budget granted and the script's quality...
A big budget like Spiderman would have A-class actors like the ones mentioned...
But they would only accept it if the movie had a good, really GOOD script...
SO, given the nature of the AVP movies, I would not think A-class actors would wanna do it...
For an Alien 5 movie, the script would have to be not just good, but also the pitch from the director would have to be convincing... And with an A-budget as well...
An Alien movie with an Spiderman3-budget could afford an actor like that... with less than 100 mil, I don't think so, with all the money that needs to be spent on CGI and all...
So, it all depends on the budget available and the quality of the script to me...
;)
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Quote from: karhan on Dec 21, 2007, 05:24:03 PM
what if Will Smith was in AVP3 :o it would be pretty cool i think, he did a good job in independence day :-\
Wilt Smith is too expensive for Fox...Why do you think they went for the TV guys' cast...? ;)
LOL your right, but for me if AVP3/P3/A5 is in space then the lead "hero"role would go to..........
AVP3=Bruce willis P3=Mel Gibson (Danny glover did P2 so let Mel do P3 :P) and A5= i honostly dont know would play a lead role in A5, who would you pick YutanyDitch ???
I would think the casting from a perspective of experience-quality-affordability...
It would depend on the budget granted and the script's quality...
A big budget like Spiderman would have A-class actors like the ones mentioned...
But they would only accept it if the movie had a good, really GOOD script...
SO, given the nature of the AVP movies, I would not think A-class actors would wanna do it...
For an Alien 5 movie, the script would have to be not just good, but also the pitch from the director would have to be convincing... And with an A-budget as well...
An Alien movie with an Spiderman3-budget could afford an actor like that... with less than 100 mil, I don't think so, with all the money that needs to be spent on CGI and all...
So, it all depends on the budget available and the quality of the script to me...
;)
hypotheticly now; IF they had a superb script fitt for the best actors in hollywood and a big ass budget, who would you pick to be the lead role in A5/P3/AVP3
for A5? uh let me think about that for a second.....duh! weaver ;)
Yeah I'd like to see some developement for the Ripley 8 character.
thw whole ripley thing is dead to me, alien5 needs a fresh new start, new characters, new planets, new spaceships, new alien designs
Quote from: karhan on Dec 21, 2007, 07:26:19 PM
thw whole ripley thing is dead to me, alien5 needs a fresh new start, new characters, new planets, new spaceships, new alien designs
no way. the
point of the alien movies is
ripley.take her out of the equation and all you get is...well...the avp series. :P
However the Ripley saga came to a perfect conclusion with A3. Even though I would like Ripley 8 explored, it certainly wouldn't be the same anymore.
Bad reviews mean everything.
Critics liked Alien. They liked Aliens. At first Alien 3 was disliked, but in recent years has been viewed from a different perspective and is now the "Blade Runner" of the series. A:R was merely okay, and AvP considered abysmal.
The point is the general consensus tends to be the correct one. That's just a fact. AvP2 will be no different. It will be a movie that will disappoint the majority.
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thw whole ripley thing is dead to me, alien5 needs a fresh new start, new characters, new planets, new spaceships, new alien designs
no way. the point of the alien movies is ripley.
take her out of the equation and all you get is...well...the avp series. :P
no its not they could have gone with Hicks being the new "hero" after Aliens
The Ripley clone idea was awful.. it was just a way to crowbar the big star of the series back into the story and I've always found it really awkward.
The point of the original trilogy is following the struggle of 1 woman against the creature(s) as they literally take everything she holds dear from her. She loses her crew, her trucking license, her family and just when she thinks she might get a shread of it back in the shape of Newt/Hicks they're taken away from her again. She is trapped in a nightmare that only ends with her eventual death.
Without that element that movies wouldn't have half the depth they do.
WTF, ripley, i have to laugh, she's the most lame washed out person in the history of washed out actors, its like watching dutch fight predator all over agiain, but somehow its ok cause its alien? give me a fu**in break man
QuoteBad reviews mean everything.
Predator 2 had bad reviews, but i think its a very good movie and most pred fans do too, some of them even consider it better then the first one... so yeah, bad reviews means everything. ::)
Please stop to talk BS.
I'm going for Ripley too.
........and yes just cause it is Alien it IS ok...
In Predator, the Pred was just as much a main part as Arnold was....
........Alien is a main part, but Ripley was the focal point.....if not she would'nt have gone as far in the sequels as she did....But I do agree they have used her up. It kept you feeling for the human side...You could relate...Plus you got to know her....
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Quote from: karhan on Dec 21, 2007, 05:24:03 PM
what if Will Smith was in AVP3 :o it would be pretty cool i think, he did a good job in independence day :-\
Wilt Smith is too expensive for Fox...Why do you think they went for the TV guys' cast...? ;)
LOL your right, but for me if AVP3/P3/A5 is in space then the lead "hero"role would go to..........
AVP3=Bruce willis P3=Mel Gibson (Danny glover did P2 so let Mel do P3 :P) and A5= i honostly dont know would play a lead role in A5, who would you pick YutanyDitch ???
I would think the casting from a perspective of experience-quality-affordability...
It would depend on the budget granted and the script's quality...
A big budget like Spiderman would have A-class actors like the ones mentioned...
But they would only accept it if the movie had a good, really GOOD script...
SO, given the nature of the AVP movies, I would not think A-class actors would wanna do it...
For an Alien 5 movie, the script would have to be not just good, but also the pitch from the director would have to be convincing... And with an A-budget as well...
An Alien movie with an Spiderman3-budget could afford an actor like that... with less than 100 mil, I don't think so, with all the money that needs to be spent on CGI and all...
So, it all depends on the budget available and the quality of the script to me...
;)
hypotheticly now; IF they had a superb script fitt for the best actors in hollywood and a big ass budget, who would you pick to be the lead role in A5/P3/AVP3
Actors I would pick for Alien 5
Willem Dafoe as the bad guy- He can do dark and gritty. I would peg him for an excellent Weyland Yutani exec. The secret string puller. Christian Bale as the male lead. I wouldn't want him as a marine or anything but somebody who can become a heroic figure. He's a really strong actor. Plus I'm tired of female leads and Ripley clones. You could make him a Weyland Yutani employee who doesn't realize how corrupt his company is until he uncovers their secret bio-weapons division. Ziyi Zhang as Bale's love interest. A fianace or something he struggles to protect after the corporation threatens her life he doesn't cooperate with them. Daniel Craig as a Yutani assasin. He' already proved he's got what it takes to be Bond. Edward James Olmos as the lead military man who helps coordinate the fight against the aliens. He's proved he's excellent for the role since being in the new Galactica. I wouldn't mind seeing Vin Diesel as main marine. Not XXX Vin Diesel or even Riddick diesel but something more toned down like from Saving Private Ryan.
Quote from: Flaming Firefox on Dec 21, 2007, 08:19:27 PM
Ziyi Zhang as Bale's love interest.
I know you probably have a raging boner for asian chicks...but seriously someone with a full command of the English language would be preferable
Quote from: happypred on Dec 21, 2007, 11:22:39 PM
Quote from: Flaming Firefox on Dec 21, 2007, 08:19:27 PM
Ziyi Zhang as Bale's love interest.
I know you probably have a raging boner for asian chicks...but seriously someone with a full command of the English language would be preferable
Why would it matter having a full command of English language. Aliens movies are in the future I think they should have more of an international flavor. More of a unified Earth. It was just a thought there are plenty of other actresses who would do as well.
Quote from: Flaming Firefox on Dec 23, 2007, 03:09:23 AM
Why would it matter having a full command of English language. Aliens movies are in the future I think they should have more of an international flavor. More of a unified Earth. It was just a thought there are plenty of other actresses who would do as well.
haha...just my opinion that's all, I find it distracting when the actor/actress struggles to deliver their lines because their English sucks...it's like when with Jet Li, he's cool until he opens his mouth
Bad reviews can mean little to nothing as to the actual quality of a film. Alien3 has something like a 30% on Rotten Tomatoes, but all of those reviews were written when it came out and they don't really comment on the film so much as missed expectations. In the same regards, it would be foolhardy to say bad reviews do nothing to the box office gross. A film can be good, but enough negative word-of-mouth and even the highest quality film will falter.
Quote from: happypred on Dec 23, 2007, 06:29:42 AM
Quote from: Flaming Firefox on Dec 23, 2007, 03:09:23 AM
Why would it matter having a full command of English language. Aliens movies are in the future I think they should have more of an international flavor. More of a unified Earth. It was just a thought there are plenty of other actresses who would do as well.
haha...just my opinion that's all, I find it distracting when the actor/actress struggles to deliver their lines because their English sucks...it's like when with Jet Li, he's cool until he opens his mouth
I foulnd Sabastian distracting in AVP so I guess I'm not the only one?
Quote from: Jango1201 on Dec 23, 2007, 08:55:28 AM
Quote from: happypred on Dec 23, 2007, 06:29:42 AM
Quote from: Flaming Firefox on Dec 23, 2007, 03:09:23 AM
Why would it matter having a full command of English language. Aliens movies are in the future I think they should have more of an international flavor. More of a unified Earth. It was just a thought there are plenty of other actresses who would do as well.
haha...just my opinion that's all, I find it distracting when the actor/actress struggles to deliver their lines because their English sucks...it's like when with Jet Li, he's cool until he opens his mouth
Sebastian was ok. I don't think his English is what was bad about his performance. His character really had nothing to do except explain one brief plot point. What a shame. Jet Li though has a lot more going on for him, so not being able to speak English well isn't as much of a negative.
Truth is I found the whole cast of AvP distracting with the exception of Lance Henrikson.
I foulnd Sabastian distracting in AVP so I guess I'm not the only one?
I was told once to f**k the critics, if you like the movie, you like the movie, if you don't, you don't.
Also, what's the point of a point score, what does it mean, your not comparing it to another AVP-R are you, you either like it or you don't, see the movie your self, don't just go of what one of two ass critics say, its because they couldn't make the film is why they hate it.
I remember charles bronson saying something along the lines of...
"I dont make films for critics, they dont pay to see them anyway" gotta love charlie 8)