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Author Topic: Fan Favourite Alex White Returns With New Novel, Alien: Into Charybdis!  (Read 49445 times)

Voodoo Magic
Aug 10, 2021, 09:39:06 PM
Reply #570 on: Aug 10, 2021, 09:39:06 PM
Why get attached to someone if they're just going to die?

 :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

This happens a lot in this thing called LIFE.
If you don't want it happening in adult books then maybe stick with kid literature.

Let's respect everyone's opinion and avoid being condescending please.


SiL
Aug 11, 2021, 12:54:31 AM
Reply #571 on: Aug 11, 2021, 12:54:31 AM
I actually agree with Stitch. Setting up the expectation that everyone is going to die does just as much to drain the tension as setting up that people are always going to live.

It's hard to get invested when the outcome feels like a forgone conclusion, whatever that conclusion may be.


Kimarhi
Aug 11, 2021, 01:19:41 AM
Reply #572 on: Aug 11, 2021, 01:19:41 AM
I really only felt like
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This is pretty much how I thought it was supposed to read.


I felt this was a direct throwback to how the first Alien was made, where everybody thought looking at the cast that Sigourney Weaver was going to be the first to go because she was an unknown, and somebody like Tom Skerrit was going to lead,  but Weaver ended up being the series lead.

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  It was definately a GOT gotcha moment, but I felt it was executed pretty flawlessly. 






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SiL
Aug 11, 2021, 01:42:03 AM
Reply #573 on: Aug 11, 2021, 01:42:03 AM
Please use spoiler tags for f**k's sake...



Corporal Hicks
Aug 11, 2021, 07:23:27 AM
Reply #575 on: Aug 11, 2021, 07:23:27 AM
I actually agree with Stitch. Setting up the expectation that everyone is going to die does just as much to drain the tension as setting up that people are always going to live.

It's hard to get invested when the outcome feels like a forgone conclusion, whatever that conclusion may be.

I wouldn't say it's setup as everyone is going to die. It's just an uncertainty. You don't expect the big moment. It's a big gut punch. And I can't say I expected who made it out to make it out. But there's always two focal characters, so if one does die, the other may not and we keep moving. It's all part of the charm of the novel for me. That uncertainty.


Xiggz456
Aug 11, 2021, 11:24:29 AM
Reply #576 on: Aug 11, 2021, 11:24:29 AM
I actually agree with Stitch. Setting up the expectation that everyone is going to die does just as much to drain the tension as setting up that people are always going to live.

It's hard to get invested when the outcome feels like a forgone conclusion, whatever that conclusion may be.

I wouldn't say it's setup as everyone is going to die. It's just an uncertainty. You don't expect the big moment. It's a big gut punch. And I can't say I expected who made it out to make it out. But there's always two focal characters, so if one does die, the other may not and we keep moving. It's all part of the charm of the novel for me. That uncertainty.

Exactly, in no way does it “set up the expectation that everyone is going to die” it merely shows us that no one is safe which actually enhanced the tension on my end. The uncertainty and the subverting of expectations is part of what makes this novel so strong.


Voodoo Magic
Aug 11, 2021, 12:56:52 PM
Reply #577 on: Aug 11, 2021, 12:56:52 PM
Speaking as someone who truly loved reading this novel, I could see this perhaps dulling the impact of the next Alex White novel I read, in the terms of just waiting for the main characters to bite it.  :laugh:


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Corporal Hicks
Aug 11, 2021, 01:04:15 PM
Reply #578 on: Aug 11, 2021, 01:04:15 PM
The thing about Alex is they're very self-aware. They'll be unlikely to do the do it again in another novel if they know folk are expecting it.


Voodoo Magic
Aug 11, 2021, 01:27:59 PM
Reply #579 on: Aug 11, 2021, 01:27:59 PM
Alex has all the characters survive in the next one....

That crafty White!


Stitch
Aug 11, 2021, 03:21:56 PM
Reply #580 on: Aug 11, 2021, 03:21:56 PM
I actually agree with Stitch. Setting up the expectation that everyone is going to die does just as much to drain the tension as setting up that people are always going to live.

It's hard to get invested when the outcome feels like a forgone conclusion, whatever that conclusion may be.

I wouldn't say it's setup as everyone is going to die. It's just an uncertainty. You don't expect the big moment. It's a big gut punch. And I can't say I expected who made it out to make it out. But there's always two focal characters, so if one does die, the other may not and we keep moving. It's all part of the charm of the novel for me. That uncertainty.
To me, it felt less like charming uncertainty, and more like overuse of a literary trick. The way the perspective shifts, in conjunction with the immediacy of the writing style, felt jarring to me, as I said. Instead of drawing me in with intrigue, it did the opposite and broke my engagement. Instead of Oh my god, what's going to happen next?, my reaction was more Really? Again?

I can understand that others would enjoy it, but it just didn't work for me, which was disappointing.


SiL
Aug 12, 2021, 03:37:50 AM
Reply #581 on: Aug 12, 2021, 03:37:50 AM
I wouldn't say it's setup as everyone is going to die. It's just an uncertainty.
The key point is a pattern's a pattern. I haven't read the book, and can't comment on the specifics, but I know that I've grown incredibly bored with a lot of modern TV series that regularly kill off seemingly-major characters. After a point it stops giving the impression that nobody's safe and starts establishing a pattern of "if someone's getting any decent character development, they're next."

Maybe White does it better, I can't comment. But on the face of it I agree with Stitch's sentiment.


Kimarhi
Aug 12, 2021, 03:55:27 AM
Reply #582 on: Aug 12, 2021, 03:55:27 AM
Please use spoiler tags for f**k's sake...

C'mon man.  We're almost 40 pages deep in this mess, 6 months after the release date.  Eventually it stops being our responsibility to cover for yalls lazy asses if you don't want to read the book. 


Stitch
Aug 12, 2021, 08:28:29 AM
Reply #583 on: Aug 12, 2021, 08:28:29 AM
Please use spoiler tags for f**k's sake...

C'mon man.  We're almost 40 pages deep in this mess, 6 months after the release date.  Eventually it stops being our responsibility to cover for yalls lazy asses if you don't want to read the book.
In all fairness, the only reason I got it was because it was made free on Audible. I was waiting for a paperback, and they're not released until February. So, yeah, there are still spoilers.


SiL
Aug 12, 2021, 08:33:36 AM
Reply #584 on: Aug 12, 2021, 08:33:36 AM
C'mon man.  We're almost 40 pages deep in this mess, 6 months after the release date.  Eventually it stops being our responsibility to cover for yalls lazy asses if you don't want to read the book.
Or some of us have been hit by work shortages following a global f**king pandemic and don't have the disposable income for books at the moment? f**k aaaall the way off man.

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