'Prometheus' Trailer Leak 'Heartbreakingly Unfair'
'When that material is ready and it comes out, you should go see it in 3-D,' Fox Filmed Entertainment CEO Tom Rothman tells MTV News.
http://www.mtv.com/news/articles/1675151/prometheus-trailer-leak.jhtml (http://www.mtv.com/news/articles/1675151/prometheus-trailer-leak.jhtml)
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'The Fox exec did, however, guarantee that the film will make a splash once it sees a proper release. "I will promise you this: When that material is ready and it comes out, you should go see it in 3-D on a screen. It will deliver."'
The next 3D release in cinemas is Hugo, and there's no way there'll be a trailer of this nature before a kids film.
The only one I can see in December which is a) in the same genre b) in 3D and c) distributed by 20th Century Fox is The Darkest Hour on December 25th. And it's also written by Jon Spaihts - although I expect that's just a happy coincidence.
You can bet your bottom dollar that's when it will appear.
QuoteEven though the secrets of the trailer are out, that still leaves many questions to be answered, namely where "Prometheus" fits in the "Alien" universe. While certainly connected, claims that "Prometheus" acts as a prequel have been shot down by almost everyone involved with the project.
Rothman made the same denial, even going so far as to place his hand over his heart. When pressed to explain how "Prometheus" could share continuity with "Alien" and take place before the events of that film but still not qualify as a prequel, Rothman offered up his explanation.
"I suppose if you want to definitionally be that literal, but it does it a great disservice. I will tell you, here's the way to think about it. If you looked at the whole movie, 95 percent of it is entirely unto itself," Rothman said. "Ridley said it right: If you're a fan and you look closely, you'll spot strands of DNA."
For him, "Prometheus" ends up being about so much more than continuity. "I'll tell you the great thing: It's way bigger than that. The ideas are way bigger, way more original and — it's a scary word — way more profound."
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He's so weird. :laugh:
I'm ultra excited though.
Why is it unfair?
Quote from: ThisBethesdaSea on Nov 30, 2011, 09:48:39 PM
Why is it unfair?
Because no artist wants people to see an unfinished blurry peek at their work i suppose,they want people to see it as they intended
Quote from: ThisBethesdaSea on Nov 30, 2011, 09:48:39 PM
Why is it unfair?
probably because they were hoping people would see the best version of the trailer they could possibly see in full 3D so they would spread word of mouth of how good it and the 3D is rather than have people ramble about poor quality video.
all this nonsense about viral marketing that people keep mentioning is delusional, companies may leak stuff but never in that way.
and sometimes they will go to the extent of paying people to create ufo hoaxes to get people talking "as was done with skyline" but never leak a poor quality clip of something.
thanks
rich
Obviously with the response of the online community, clearly everyone is excited. I think they should go ahead and just release the trailer sooner rather then later,to dispell any nonexistent fears among fans that this film won't deliver.
Looks like i will have to go watch some movie i dont want to see to see this trailer,how long after its released in a Cinema do they normally hit the net?.officially that is ?
Usually it's a mirrored release online and in theaters.
Curious however...I can't tell what Rothman is talking about when he says "when the material is ready for release" ? Is he talking about a finished trailer or the film itself?
Quote from: ThisBethesdaSea on Nov 30, 2011, 10:12:13 PM
Usually it's a mirrored release online and in theaters.
Curious however...I can't tell what Rothman is talking about when he says "when the material is ready for release" ? Is he talking about a finished trailer or the film itself?
probably the trailer, the one weve seen is just what is given to focus groups etc to gauge their reactions, there maybe a couple of different versions of it and we may get something totally different to what we have seen....
thanks
rich
I might see The Darkest Hour on X-mas, so I hope the trailer in 3D will be awesome. It looks like they won't be showing the trailer with Alvin and the Chipmunks 3 (I was having a feeling that they would).
Quote from: RICH-ENGLAND on Nov 30, 2011, 10:18:42 PM
Quote from: ThisBethesdaSea on Nov 30, 2011, 10:12:13 PM
Usually it's a mirrored release online and in theaters.
Curious however...I can't tell what Rothman is talking about when he says "when the material is ready for release" ? Is he talking about a finished trailer or the film itself?
probably the trailer, the one weve seen is just what is given to focus groups etc to gauge their reactions, there maybe a couple of different versions of it and we may get something totally different to what we have seen....
thanks
rich
We may get one that combines both trailers - making it super-dooper-awesome! :D
REMEMBER! The Darkest Hour is the brainchild of Jon Spaights! The Co-writer and early script manifesto of Prometheus... That'll be our best bet... Hopefully they won't pull any special plugs since the figurative "Cat" is out of the bag... (Or out of the Nostromo!) :D
Tom Rothman is the guy who made matthew vaughn leave xmen the last stand due to creative differences. vaughn wanted to include the sentinels and have a much darker deeper script about mutant persecution and the ethics of a cure and a different script. Rothman then decided to hire Brett Ratner as he was more concerned with the deadline and film release with a smaller budget, to make the money, what we ended up with was a mess of a script and a badly done film (jackman etc were fine acting ). Then we had live free or die hard (diehard 4.0) which rothman insisted be cut to a pg-13 for theatrical release, to make more profit, it was later released uncut for dvd release. the film had a mixed reception from fans and critics. A v P in 2004
he insisted was a pg-13 (uncut for dvd with cg blood)then we had A V P R and we know how it virtually buried the franchise. Now we have prometheus, the leaked trailer looks amazing especially the jockey ship is so epic in scale, all i'm saying is be cautious with Tom Rothman he seems to be more about the money than caring about the franchise by allowing subpar films to be made. That's part of the reason why i'm being very careful not to be over enthusiastic about prometheus, and believe me i'm a die hard alien fan , have all the boxset collections, novels (loved steel egg and original sin was good and omnibus comics theories of the space jockeys) the games a v p2 on the pc and a v p 2010 console game. I just don't really much enthusiam for Tom Rothman or Fox at the moment. i just hope prometheus delivers.
of course he has dollar signs in his eyes. you think that greedy piece of shit cares about the integrity of the alien story, or about pleasing the legions of alien fans? hell no, he cares about filling his pockets
I don't see what the big deal is , so what the freaking trailer leaked. Not like the whole film. Plus I think it does generate buzz and anticipation from fans. It's good.
Quote from: m138jewski on Dec 01, 2011, 02:43:41 AM
of course he has dollar signs in his eyes. you think that greedy piece of shit cares about the integrity of the alien story, or about pleasing the legions of alien fans? hell no, he care about filling his pockets
He is a CEO of FOX. That´s his job. Sure he can ruin lot´s of movies, but I´m not so sure that he can ruin whatever Riddley want to do. I mean, If riddley don´t want, this guy its not going to ruin anything, what i am more afraid is that Riddley ruins it by himself....
Here's an example, i know xmen origins wolverine was not a great movie by any standards, but director Gavin Hood wanted a
very dark edgy look to the sets and have logan lose his memory as a result of the weapon x process of the adimantium bonding to his skeleton. Gavin was away from set for a few days in which Rothman went in and had all the sets painted brighter
because he throught they were too dark for a family film, then Rothman demanded reshoots, so logan loses his memory through being shot by the adamantium bullet by Stryker. Hood even admitted to the creative differences between himself and Rothman, don't get me wrong it dosen't make the film any better than the slating it got, but it shows how Rothman sticks his oar in. He seems to leave James Cameron alone, let's hope it's the same with Scott. Rothman can be a pain when he wants.
Quote from: Tough little S.O.B. on Dec 01, 2011, 03:32:17 AM
Quote from: m138jewski on Dec 01, 2011, 02:43:41 AM
of course he has dollar signs in his eyes. you think that greedy piece of shit cares about the integrity of the alien story, or about pleasing the legions of alien fans? hell no, he care about filling his pockets
He is a CEO of FOX. That´s his job. Sure he can ruin lot´s of movies, but I´m not so sure that he can ruin whatever Riddley want to do. I mean, If riddley don´t want, this guy its not going to ruin anything, what i am more afraid is that Riddley ruins it by himself....
I'm alot more concerned with FOX ruining this that Scott.
Quote from: gooner_no1 on Nov 30, 2011, 09:36:59 PM
'The Fox exec did, however, guarantee that the film will make a splash once it sees a proper release. "I will promise you this: When that material is ready and it comes out, you should go see it in 3-D on a screen. It will deliver."'
The next 3D release in cinemas is Hugo, and there's no way there'll be a trailer of this nature before a kids film.
The only one I can see in December which is a) in the same genre b) in 3D and c) distributed by 20th Century Fox is The Darkest Hour on December 25th. And it's also written by Jon Spaihts - although I expect that's just a happy coincidence.
You can bet your bottom dollar that's when it will appear.
Hugo was not children movie, It was just marketed that way.
Quote from: Wobblyboddle77 on Dec 01, 2011, 04:54:08 AM
He seems to leave James Cameron alone, let's hope it's the same with Scott. Rothman can be a pain when he wants.
Thats the prove that you don´t need any CEO for ruining a movie. Cameron ruined Avatar all by himself...(Well, in fact, there is nothing to ruin in AVATAR as its a big load of shit whatever you do with it)
I think that Fox won´t dare f**k with Riddley, and Riddley won´t let anyone f**k with him.
I hope you're right. Either way I haven't been this excited for a movie in years
Quote from: m138jewski on Dec 01, 2011, 06:06:01 AM
Either way I haven't been this excited for a movie in years
Me either!
Quote from: 4ridley on Dec 01, 2011, 01:21:49 AM
REMEMBER! The Darkest Hour is the brainchild of Jon Spaights! The Co-writer and early script manifesto of Prometheus... That'll be our best bet... Hopefully they won't pull any special plugs since the figurative "Cat" is out of the bag... (Or out of the Nostromo!) :D
I don´t find anything really interesting in all i have seen so far from The Darkest Hour....
Im not seeing in 3d soooo im fine.
Shame the Nintendo 3DS only shows trailers for family friendly movies, this would have been cool to have streaming from that like they did with The Green Lantern.
All the leaked trailer has done to Fox is give them an excuse to openly publicise the fact you will be able to see the trailer in 3D during a movie you wouldn't normally pay for. To be honest with the prices of 3D movies being what they are they will have to be showing it before something pretty special before I see it... I can wait.
I'll see it in 3D if it's being made for 3D (which I think it is).
Avatar although crappy in a few aspects, was damn good 3D.
Rothman sucks but he went looking for Scott when the prequel was supposed to be shot by Carl Rinsch (Scott's stepson).
And AVATAR rock.
Even if i clearly prefer the original treatment wich was more adult.
Quote from: m138jewski on Dec 01, 2011, 05:06:52 AM
Quote from: Tough little S.O.B. on Dec 01, 2011, 03:32:17 AM
Quote from: m138jewski on Dec 01, 2011, 02:43:41 AM
of course he has dollar signs in his eyes. you think that greedy piece of shit cares about the integrity of the alien story, or about pleasing the legions of alien fans? hell no, he care about filling his pockets
He is a CEO of FOX. That´s his job. Sure he can ruin lot´s of movies, but I´m not so sure that he can ruin whatever Riddley want to do. I mean, If riddley don´t want, this guy its not going to ruin anything, what i am more afraid is that Riddley ruins it by himself....
I'm alot more concerned with FOX ruining this that Scott.
Amen to that. Look how they screwed over giger and fincher in alien3 (still love the movie though). Not even starting about avp and avp-r. If they gave Anderson a little bit more money and freedom (i know a lot of people won't agree with me on this) it could've been a lot better.
Quote from: Tough little S.O.B. on Dec 01, 2011, 03:32:17 AM
Quote from: m138jewski on Dec 01, 2011, 02:43:41 AM
of course he has dollar signs in his eyes. you think that greedy piece of shit cares about the integrity of the alien story, or about pleasing the legions of alien fans? hell no, he care about filling his pockets
He is a CEO of FOX. That´s his job. Sure he can ruin lot´s of movies, but I´m not so sure that he can ruin whatever Riddley want to do. I mean, If riddley don´t want, this guy its not going to ruin anything, what i am more afraid is that Riddley ruins it by himself....
I'm pretty sure Rothman and co butchered Kingdom of Heaven's theatrical release. Though I don't bet on Prometheus being about 200 minutes long, so I can't see it getting it getting torn to shreds in the editing bay.
Quote from: Snowdog on Dec 01, 2011, 11:51:19 AM
... Look how they screwed over giger and fincher in alien3 (still love the movie though). Not even starting about avp and avp-r. If they gave Anderson a little bit more money and freedom (i know a lot of people won't agree with me on this) it could've been a lot better.
I hope, Fox men have got their lesson with A^3 and other closely supervised flicks to give R. Scott more freedom fot directing Prometheus.
And now I'm realy getting scared by the phrase:
Quote"I'll tell you the great thing: It's way bigger than that. The ideas are way bigger, way more original and — it's a scary word — way more profound."
in a sense that sometimes their "profound idea" is determined not by its quality, but by the quantity of times it's voiced over on screen. My other hope is that Scott would find the more refined way to transfer that
profound concept to the viewer, whatever would it be. 200 min is a whole lot of a screen time!
QuoteIf they gave Anderson a little bit more money and freedom (i know a lot of people won't agree with me on this) it could've been a lot better.
Agreed. :)
Tom Rothman seems evil.
Boohoo. The suit is heartbroken. :'(
Still, I'm sure he can mop those tears up with his 100 dollar bills.
Quote from: St_Eddie on Dec 01, 2011, 11:39:14 PM
Boohoo. The suit is heartbroken. :'(
Still, I'm sure he can mop those tears up with his 100 dollar bills.
;D ;D ;D
If only Rothman was on twitter or facebook lol, we could ask him why pg 13 (we know the answer $$$$$$$£££££££) but it would be great just to say our bit each or as a collective to the bloke and put the evidence that his previous decisions have ruined movie franchises, and why dosen't fox listen and just release it as an R/18 and see for it/himself, not that he would listen but atleast we get to put our argument forward, there again we can all dream on i suppose lol,
At this point...with all of movie internetdom orgasmic about Prometheus, I'm betting it'll be released with an R. I'd put money on that assumption.
I hope so too buddy, i just want to see prometheus explore the deepest and darkest parts of our imagination, and whatever uncivilised things these new aliens do, really delivers a visual impact that is very shocking for us to watch but also drags us in with it's brutality.
Quote from: The Xenoborg on Dec 01, 2011, 11:35:27 PM
QuoteIf they gave Anderson a little bit more money and freedom (i know a lot of people won't agree with me on this) it could've been a lot better.
Agreed. :)
Tom Rothman seems evil.
Anderson has an excelent taste for women. Not for Cinema...
The problems with the a v p movies were Rothman for hiring directors like Anderson and the Strause brothers, mainly because Anderson is a 'yes' man like Brett Ratner and the Strause brothers, and does what the studios want, Rothman pulls the strings. Then we get directors like Fincher ,Scott and Cameron who are not afraid to fight the studios but the final product suffers i.e. Alien 3, Kingdom of heaven and The Abyss because the theatrical cut gets butchered because the C.E.O gets the final say. Setting the a v p movies on earth was a mistake from the outset, they should have stuck with the comics and set it on another planet, if done right it could have been filmed using a relatively low to moderate budget too. These people destroy great franchises then have the audacity, to ask Scott deliver yet another film at pg-13 from a franchise that is predominantly aimed at older audiences. So when Rothman gets upset about a trailer leaking i think ' now you know what it feels like to get screwed over'. I wouldn't put it past him to hire Uwe Boll to direct if and when they do another alien movie. Let's hope he see's sense with prometheus and gives us what we want, but with Rothman leopards and spots spring to mind.
I want some one to start a Facebook petition group to lobby Rothman and Fox to give Prometheus an R rating.
Thats a great idea we should do it as a collective everyone here muck in together get some ideas and think of ways we can get scott and rothmans attention, even camerons to give rothman a boot up the backside and let prometheus be seen the way we want it to. Just get as much clout behind us as possible. besides great minds thinkalike :laugh:
If we get enough people interested I can start a petition and we can go post the link on the official Facebook Prometheus page?
Quote from: ThisBethesdaSea on Dec 03, 2011, 06:11:37 AM
If we get enough people interested I can start a petition and we can go post the link on the official Facebook Prometheus page?
I am definetly for it ;]
Quote from: ThisBethesdaSea on Dec 03, 2011, 02:19:07 AM
I want some one to start a Facebook petition group to lobby Rothman and Fox to give Prometheus an R rating.
Petitions almost never get results with large corporations I'm afraid but they are a way to have your opinion heard, so we may as well start one.
To the contrary....Petitions have recalled governors, restarted television series, changed policies in corporations and so much more. You are entirely misinformed. :) :)
Quote from: ThisBethesdaSea on Dec 03, 2011, 03:35:58 PM
To the contrary....Petitions have recalled governors, restarted television series, changed policies in corporations and so much more. You are entirely misinformed. :) :)
I don't believe I'm misinformed at all. You'll note that I was careful to use the word "mostly". One thing that's absolutely necessary for such a petition to have an affect in this case is a vast number of signatures, which I doubt such a cause will attract.
The examples of successful petitions you provided are telling; governors, cancelled television series, policies in corporations. These are all "
slightly" more far reaching and impacting than the rating of a movie.
It's only us hardcore fans who are bothered enough to actually take the time to sign and in the grand scheme of things we're a minority. 20th Century Fox isn't going to lower the number of potential audience members and therefore revenue for a 200 million dollar movie, simply to pander to the minority.
You're right...but I'd like to at least put forth an effort before shitting on it.
I thought it wasn't PG 13. :o
It's sad if it is. Where do I go for the petition thing?
...*puts head in hands, and slowly, SLOWLY, starts rocking back-and-forth...*
Quote from: Glaive on Dec 03, 2011, 05:49:37 PM
...*puts head in hands, and slowly, SLOWLY, starts rocking back-and-forth...*
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Petition is pointless.. It will be PG-13.
But it can prove demand for Director's Cut (R) for BD release :)
You can try but I think you'll be pissing in the wind.
Movies are an industry. This isn't a low budget art film. It's an extremely expensive blockbuster that needs to make a lot of money to break even. And making it R would cut out a large demographic and probably take too big a risk.
Maybe it would be a marketing strategy to make a blockbuster for adults and I'd very happy and very surprised if Fox were the ones to take that first step. But it's not going to happen.
They are ultimately a large business that make large amounts of money from entertainment in which there is very little pride in the work. If some piece of shit romcom makes a billion in the box office nobody is going care about the merits of the work, just the money that's rolling in.
On a larger note, the american rating's system is ridiculous. I don't see why they can't just make another rating in between PG13 and R. In Ireland they have PG, 12's, 15's, 16's, 18's, which seems sensible to me. It gives greater freedom to the rating's board and film maker.
nevermind then...jebus
Mustn't forget also that if Fox cuts the film PG-13, then releases an R Director's Cut via seamless branching on blu-ray and dvd, they can expect to sell more discs than they would have otherwise. It's a win-win for them.
As long as I get Ridley's cut in the end, I'm happy.
What rating was AVP: Requiem? That's a good litmus paper for such things...
Actually, I see that that one got an R. Interesting.
The more I think about film ratings, the more ridiculous they seem. I don't think any child's mind got corrupted by a film watched in a movie theatre with their parents. If that kind of thing's gonna happen, it's gonna happen at home, in a dark basement while the folks aren't paying attention. Like, back in the day, how many times did some of you guys rewind Ripley's 'crotch shot' in Alien on home video? Were you even 13 years old at the time? (not saying we're all psychos, but you see what I mean. :P)
I guess I'm rambling, but the whole ratings thing just kinda seems like the studios paying lip service to 'moral decency'. 'Cause we all know that once those films hit the shelves and the airwaves, any kid has carte-blanche to watch 'em if his/her parents aren't looking.
It's America.....
Quote from: Mr. Clemens on Dec 07, 2011, 04:45:12 PM
Actually, I see that that one got an R. Interesting.
The more I think about film ratings, the more ridiculous they seem. I don't think any child's mind got corrupted by a film watched in a movie theatre with their parents. If that kind of thing's gonna happen, it's gonna happen at home, in a dark basement while the folks aren't paying attention. Like, back in the day, how many times did some of you guys rewind Ripley's 'crotch shot' in Alien on home video? Were you even 13 years old at the time? (not saying we're all psychos, but you see what I mean. :P)
I guess I'm rambling, but the whole ratings thing just kinda seems like the studios paying lip service to 'moral decency'. 'Cause we all know that once those films hit the shelves and the airwaves, any kid has carte-blanche to watch 'em if his/her parents aren't looking.
In the case of AVP:R it shouldve been given a certification all of its own 'UR' (Universal Restriction) guaranteeing that absolutely no-one was allowed to see it due to it being so God awful !
(You rewound the crotch shot in Alien ?......I never did that..........and I thought was a perv !! :o )
It was 1983, and my options were limited. :D
Quote from: Mr. Clemens on Dec 07, 2011, 05:18:33 PM
It was 1983, and my options were limited. :D
Aye, I know what you mean. Although my favourite moment for rewind-a-thons came via the snake lady in Blade Runner. My Dad's VHS copy always got fuzzy during her shower scene from constant (mis)use!
...Still, a Ridley Scott film all the same. :laugh:
For the first time, 20th Century Fox might make an intelligent, productive and selfless decision.
It's a rare possibility.