Not trying to stir up any flaming debates here but I've been trying to figure out what went wrong with the AVP franchise. Was it a bad concept to begin with or was it the choice of directors? I'm torn between saying it was the concept and more or less the director(Paul W.S and Brothers Fraudse). I mean there has to be a way to cater to both fans yet it seems the 1st AVP was for the Alien fans while AVPR was for the Predators. Simply put, I don't think it would be possible to please both fans since the two are vastly different. I mean at the end of the day, its humans getting butchered by aliens which pretty much sums up the similarities. What was AVP and AVPR lacking that made them fail miserably? What could of made them decent moneymakers without favoring one over the other?
Directors and Fox mostly....Fox more to a degree.
The concept was good. But it had to be handled in the right way.
*coughcoughshouldofbeenlikeavp2gamecoughcoughcough*
For me, It is the lack of respect for the creatures, from the designs to the mannerisms. I mean, when I'm watching Predator 1, at the end where we first see the Predator decloaking coming out of the water, It freakin looks like a real, other worldly alien that makes you afraid. Then, when he removes the Biohelmet and we see his face, it looks real, resembling a crustacean/mandalorian warrior. Even the way his mandible kinda twitches. Every frame of AvP looks like an actor in a latex rubber suit. Then when we actually see the face,...umm, did someone forget the Predator's contacts?! Remember the scene where Celtic and Chopper "fight" the Grid Alien? My God, that looked like a stop-motion cartoon! Many other scenes just threw established canon out the freakin window! Example: Anytime could jump from tree to tree like he defied gravity. The end scenes where he is coming to fight Dutch, he leaps from tree to log bridge like he was flying. Scar looked like a wrestler struggling to walk in his costume when he jumped. When he helped Lex pull the chain attached to the Queen, he looked like he had the strength of a 12 year old.
I would like to say what happened in AvP-R, but most of the time the bad lighting kept me from seeing the action. The setting was all wrong, with the crappy kid actors. It had too much of a Scream feel to it. Honestly, a few of the Wolf/Alien fight scenes were pretty good.
The Brothers offended me from the start, just like RR did with Predators. They both complained about the their predecessors and promised that their own film would be the ultimate one that would make you forget what came before them, as though they were the saviors of the franchises, taking liberties with sound clips and homages at their will!
Finally, I never have understood how the Predalien, which I absolutely HATED, grew to full size so FAST!! At the end of Avp, the ship is leaving Earth, and it bursts out and within a few seconds it is full size killing Elder predators, causing the ship to crash back to Earth. Either the pred ship takes a long time to leave the atmosphere, or it was circling the planet a few times, which wouldnt make sense.
And yes, I own them, and will watch them occasionally, but the whole time I'm wishing the costumes werent so fake, and the Aliens werent just target practice.
I'd go with what walker31 said. AvP in movie form simply hasn't been treated respectfully. It could be done but there hasn't been the skill and talent needed to pull it off successfully. Both creatures are also prestigious in the sci-fi genre and to put them in trashy movies like these is just disrespectful, really. It'd be like seeing someone you love in a snuff film. :o
The storylines were terrible. Modern day earth just isn't the place for the alien. If they gave ZacK Snyder a chance to make the first AvP comic serie into a movie it would kick ass!
The last thing AvP needs is f**kin' Zack Snyder.
Quote from: KirklandSignature on Dec 29, 2011, 08:23:27 PM
Was it a bad concept to begin
Nope, it's an epic concept, no different than Spider Man and Batman ect. Everyone begged for an AVP movie to be made, all it needed was a big budget and one hell of an amazing director behind it and watch the magic happen.
Quote from: KirklandSignature on Dec 29, 2011, 08:23:27 PM
or was it the choice of directors?
Yes and also Fox Entertainment. Both failures combined ruined a wonderful, beautiful, unlimited potential idea.
Quote from: KirklandSignature on Dec 29, 2011, 08:23:27 PM
Simply put, I don't think it would be possible to please both fans since the two are vastly different.
Yes, It's impossible to please all the fans because of the extreme bias they have for their beloved creatures in a nut shell.
You could come up with hundreds of different type of seniors and stories to throw these creatures in and it would still be very epic as long as the bar is set equally at the same level of Alien, Aliens and Predator or of course higher. AVP can be as big, deep and masterful as the Dark Knight.
Fox Entertainment just needs to make a decision whether they are going to let that fantasy become a reality in the future.
Quote from: SiL on Dec 30, 2011, 04:57:35 AM
The last thing AvP needs is f**kin' Zack Snyder.
i dont know, maybe he would make a good job. why wouldnt he?
He could def do a good job with an AVP film, but he just wouldn't be the best choice.
We need someone like Neill Blomkamp to do an AVP film, now we're talkin 8)
I loved AVP up until Lex & Scar team. From there the movie as a whole feel very rushed. I think had the back half been done differently the movie as a whole would be more likeable. i thin I'm in th eminority but I did like the story in AVP. I think the predators needed to have been a little more in tone with the previous movies, but they weren't too bad.
AVPR, well this movie speaks for itself. It sucks and its th eonly Alien or Predator movie I have yet to own and I'm not in any hurry to pick it up. I think had the second AVP movie been directed by, well anybody but the Strause Bros, it would have helped the AVP series overall. But this movie just brought down the whole AVP concept and is probaby the reason we will never see another AVP movie.
Quote from: Lost Predator on Dec 31, 2011, 01:18:48 AM
I loved AVP up until Lex & Scar team.
Same. I liked the film, didn't love it though. An R-rating would have helped make the movie grittier as well. The pacing was great up until, like you said, the Lex/Scar team-up. That's when it felt rushed & the film fell apart. Lex should have been running from Scar the whole time. He had a reason to chase & kill her for taking his guns & causing his team to get killed. I also disliked the Alien & Predator designs in general. The Preds were too bulky, & the Aliens were too fleshy.
It got better towards the end with the Queen fight though.
AVP:R was just a disgrace in every sense of the word. That film certainly put the final nail in the coffin for the entire franchise, which is why Fox made a
Predator sequel &
Alien prequel instead of an
AVP3.
Quote from: AlexVelez on Jan 01, 2012, 07:14:00 PM
Quote from: Lost Predator on Dec 31, 2011, 01:18:48 AM
I loved AVP up until Lex & Scar team.
Same. I liked the film, didn't love it though. An R-rating would have helped make the movie grittier as well. The pacing was great up until, like you said, the Lex/Scar team-up. That's when it felt rushed & the film fell apart. Lex should have been running from Scar the whole time. He had a reason to chase & kill her for taking his guns & causing his team to get killed. I also disliked the Alien & Predator designs in general. The Preds were too bulky, & the Aliens were too fleshy.
It got better towards the end with the Queen fight though.
AVP:R was just a disgrace in every sense of the word. That film certainly put the final nail in the coffin for the entire franchise, which is why Fox made a Predator sequel & Alien prequel instead of an AVP3.
But the AvP films kept the franchises going. For better or worse, that's why we got Predators and Prometheus. It comes down to simple commerce really.
What went wrong was Davis.
i dont know what people have against the Scar/Lex team-up?
It made full sense in the comics?
I don't have anything particularly against it, but I reckon the film would've held its tone better. The team-up fully reveals AvP's nature of a comic book film.
Predator fans generally despise that choice in the film because they don't think humans and Predators should ever team-up, since the latters hunt the formers for fun.
Quote from: Edvin on Jan 02, 2012, 12:52:13 PM
i dont know what people have against the Scar/Lex team-up?
It made full sense in the comics?
It's the way it was executed. I also don't like the idea in the novel either, but it works.
The main problem was Lex didn't really do anything to earn a reprieve from the Predator. She simply got lucky when the Alien walked onto a spear she was holding then forgot it had arms.
The answer to this thread's question is in the title of the first movie...
Quote from: maledoro on Jan 04, 2012, 01:13:45 AM
The answer to this thread's question is in the title of the first movie...
AVP? ???
Quote from: Edvin on Jan 04, 2012, 01:34:38 AMQuote from: maledoro on Jan 04, 2012, 01:13:45 AMThe answer to this thread's question is in the title of the first movie...
AVP? ???
Well, in its non-abbreviated form...
Quote from: maledoro on Jan 04, 2012, 01:39:00 AM
Quote from: Edvin on Jan 04, 2012, 01:34:38 AMQuote from: maledoro on Jan 04, 2012, 01:13:45 AMThe answer to this thread's question is in the title of the first movie...
AVP? ???
Well, in its non-abbreviated form...
Alien vs Predator? Idunngeddit.
Quote from: Edvin on Jan 04, 2012, 01:46:04 AMAlien vs Predator? Idunngeddit.
The idea of putting the two of them together in the same movie is "what went wrong"...
When Celtic jumps up off the floor in that stance... that was the peach pie for me :laugh: Tried to find a gif of it, all I somehow found was this? Which is in no way related, but hilarious I thought very.
Spoiler
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I hope they sanitize their dolls...
Quote from: maledoro on Jan 04, 2012, 02:01:04 AM
Quote from: Edvin on Jan 04, 2012, 01:46:04 AMAlien vs Predator? Idunngeddit.
The idea of putting the two of them together in the same movie is "what went wrong"...
-sigh- http://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/index.php?topic=41491.0 (http://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/index.php?topic=41491.0)
Quote from: Edvin on Jan 04, 2012, 02:39:53 PM-sigh- http://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/index.php?topic=41491.0 (http://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/index.php?topic=41491.0)
-yawn-
Superficiality is what went wrong with it.
The first one needed 'Event Horizon' Anderson. What it got was 'Resident Evil' Anderson. You could at least tell it had some interesting ideas, though - what was being aimed for. In a few points, it kind of works. There just aren't enough of them. On the whole, it comes across as flashy and unremarkable. Some of this, however, is to do with it having a small budget.
Likewise, the next one feels even cheaper - except in terms of quality. They even had a surplus budget, decided to unnecessarily reshoot the Predator chestbursting scene and made it look worse. It came across like a bunch of fan-boys jamming loads of ideas together for the sake of it, rather than trying to tell a legitimate story.
I seem to remember one of the actors at the time saying the sequel was going to be "pure awesomeness" or something, which became a bit of an AVPG meme. :)
Basically, neither film really treated its audience like mature adults. Not in the way 'Alien', 'Aliens' and 'Predator' had. That's why both films always seem like they're missing something. You feel like you're a teenager being led into something cool and comic-worthy. But the people behind them forgot that what made the original comics so great was that they were trying not to be comics. They were trying to be worthy of being made into legitimate film sequels.
Everything.
Quote from: Xenomorphine on Jan 07, 2012, 04:29:25 PM
Superficiality is what went wrong with it.
The first one needed 'Event Horizon' Anderson. What it got was 'Resident Evil' Anderson. You could at least tell it had some interesting ideas, though - what was being aimed for. In a few points, it kind of works. There just aren't enough of them. On the whole, it comes across as flashy and unremarkable. Some of this, however, is to do with it having a small budget.
Likewise, the next one feels even cheaper - except in terms of quality. They even had a surplus budget, decided to unnecessarily reshoot the Predator chestbursting scene and made it look worse. It came across like a bunch of fan-boys jamming loads of ideas together for the sake of it, rather than trying to tell a legitimate story.
I seem to remember one of the actors at the time saying the sequel was going to be "pure awesomeness" or something, which became a bit of an AVPG meme. :)
Basically, neither film really treated its audience like mature adults. Not in the way 'Alien', 'Aliens' and 'Predator' had. That's why both films always seem like they're missing something. You feel like you're a teenager being led into something cool and comic-worthy. But the people behind them forgot that what made the original comics so great was that they were trying not to be comics. They were trying to be worthy of being made into legitimate film sequels.
One of the best summaries I've ever read. Very nice. I'm constantly intrigued thinking about this, as traditionally, comic books have been a medium targeting children and teens, but can also be made with the quality, and maturity, of big-budget films. The first AvP series was like this.
Quote from: maledoro on Jan 04, 2012, 02:01:04 AM
Quote from: Edvin on Jan 04, 2012, 01:46:04 AMAlien vs Predator? Idunngeddit.
The idea of putting the two of them together in the same movie is "what went wrong"...
Exactamundo
Ah nothing went wrong. It went completely as planned. AVP is like JVM (Jesus vs Mohamed) and having both of them lose every single time.
AVP is an amazing concept, it's just not treated with respect. The concept has so much potential but we are just stuck with two films. One not bad and the other not even a film.
Quote from: JokerJohn35 on Jan 17, 2012, 09:55:32 PMAVP is an amazing concept, it's just not treated with respect.
So amazing that nobody at Brandywine wanted it to happen. It got the respect it deserved, being the (then) latest version of Interstellar Smackdown.
Quote from: JokerJohn35 on Jan 17, 2012, 09:55:32 PMThe concept has so much potential but we are just stuck with two films.
So, we need another movie with something else blowing up at the end.
Quote from: Xenomorphine on Jan 07, 2012, 04:29:25 PM
Superficiality is what went wrong with it.
The first one needed 'Event Horizon' Anderson. What it got was 'Resident Evil' Anderson. You could at least tell it had some interesting ideas, though - what was being aimed for. In a few points, it kind of works. There just aren't enough of them. On the whole, it comes across as flashy and unremarkable. Some of this, however, is to do with it having a small budget.
I can't agree more ! Event Horizon had a great athmosphere. If Anderson could recapture that in an avp movie it would've been a lot better. And other alien designs at least. I want biomechanical aliens again. Or at least the a:r ones. Like i said before. I found out wat is wrong with the avp aliens for me besides the cat like movements here and there. It's the same design as in a:r but they don't seem al that menacing in avp. in a:r they where covered in layers of slime wich made them look unique if you'd ask me. They also acted menacing and like really dangerous beings, while also being smart and come up with solutions (wich did not lack in avp, cuz the aliens where at least smart and came up with solutions for things like freeing the queen). Also the steam coming out of the a:r aliens helped a lot. But still would've loved to see a newer version of the warrior. AND NOT THE AVPR WARRIOR !!!
Newer version of the Warrior?
Just pick the AVP2010 design.
Some of the new Aliens from Colonial Marines might work as new Warriors in later films.
I think the first mistake was Paul Anderson. Predators building pyramids and being treated like Gods goes against pretty much everything we knew of the creature beforehand. Anderons concept was B-movie stuff. The biggest mistake of his was to make the Predator 'the lesser of two evils' and shoe-horn the character into an anti-hero role. Anderson did not get the Predator at all and killed all the awesome primitive/futuristic vibe the character had.
AvP being PG-13 certainly didn't help, as did having no decent characters either. No two ways about it, AvP is a mediocre film that made the mistake of being a comic-book movie rather than a cinematic cross-over.
AvPR rectified a few of those Predator issues but replaced them in turn with a whole host of new ones.
Mystery is everything in horror, yet there is a core of fans who want to enjoy watching the creatures battle it out.
That's the versus bit...and its the problem! The aliens and the predators are no longer doing what they were meant to do...which is to be scary and kill off characters you'd grown fond of.
Once you start liking Freddy Krueger, the nightmare is over imo.
Alien Vs Predator should have always been Alien Vs Predator, Aliens+Predator versus humans. The Strauses got that dynamic right but showed us far too much of the Predator in the process.
My suggestions are:
Alien Vs Predator should be set in space. (The Predator integrates into the Aliens universe far better than vice-versa)
It should further the Aliens mythology (anything from the Alien 3 unmade scripts would do) and then bring in Predators in Act 2.
I can't help but picture watching a great Aliens movie, where the invisible guys show up and start blowing holes through everything they see ;D
That said...I strongly believe an Alien Vs Predator film could never have been as good as a stand-alone. You lose the purity of the haunted-house/slasher structure with the versus stuff. A long-story short, I think they need to make an Alien AND Predator movie in the first instance, and leave the versus stuff until the climax.
Another way to do it, seeing as we've got two movies now already, is to go for all-out spectacle...but that would need a mega-budget.
I doubt we'll see another AvP movie again. >:(
Quote from: JokerJohn35 on Jan 17, 2012, 09:55:32 PM
AVP is an amazing concept, it's just not treated with respect. The concept has so much potential but we are just stuck with two films. One not bad and the other not even a film.
This. I like the concept and the idea of an alien vs predator movie. But it's just the money to fox. Some of the characters lacking emotion is another thing that breaks the reality for me.
I haven't read all the posts in the this thread, so please forgive me if this has been mentioned before.
But I think perhaps the root of the problem as to why so many people hate the AVP movies stems from...well, the producers. I think the producers were too stingy with the budget of both films. I mean, if you were to adapt the story from the AVP comics to the big screen, that would cost a fortune, considering all of the space and technological sci-fi aspects of the comics. And even though Fox have a sh!t load of money in their bag, they still weren't willing to risk spending so much money on a crossover movie.
Hence why maybe they resorted to making the setting of the AVP films on Earth and not in space and/or distant planets.
You dont need a big budget to write a good story,
You write a good story, then worry about the budget
Wrong planet.
Wrong timeline.
Wrong script.
WRONG director.
That should have been the actual tagline :laugh:
Quote from: Novak 1334 on Jun 25, 2012, 11:50:38 AM
That should have been the actual tagline :laugh:
LOL!
Quote from: Novak 1334 on Jun 25, 2012, 11:45:22 AM
You dont need a big budget to write a good story,
You write a good story, then worry about the budget
Well, considering the original Alien and Predator movies, those were big budget. But I do agree on the writing part. You always need a good story written for a movie.
Neither of the original movies were big budget.
Or Aliens, for that matter.
... or Predator 2.
Quote from: SiL on Jun 25, 2012, 12:17:34 PM
Neither of the original movies were big budget.
Or Aliens, for that matter.
... or Predator 2.
Well, if that's the case, fine. But they seemed big to me... :-\
My point being is that it's the producers (and probably the writers) to blame. Paul Anderson, even though I do find his movies relatively fun to watch, wasn't the right director either. Ditto to the Strauss Brothers (after seeing their far more awful movie Skyline).
I honestly DO think that an AVP movie can be done right, so I'm not against the idea of making a movie of such. It's just finding the right people to do it which is the hardest part.
Michael Bay is a perfect example, 500 million dollars on explosions and 50 dollars on a script
Movies are like cars, they can be as shiny and fast as you want but without a good engine you're f***ed
Quote from: Novak 1334 on Jun 25, 2012, 02:57:11 PM
Michael Bay is a perfect example, 500 million dollars on explosions and 50 dollars on a script
Let's not forget Battleship. *groans*
Quote from: Novak 1334 on Jun 25, 2012, 02:57:11 PM
Michael Bay is a perfect example, 500 million dollars on explosions and 50 dollars on a script
Movies are like cars, they can be as shiny and fast as you want but without a good engine you're f***ed
would you want to watch transformers for anything else than the FX? i think it does right.
classic, people who misses the poin of the entire series.
Quote from: Charles Xavier on Jun 25, 2012, 12:36:02 PM
Well, if that's the case, fine. But they seemed big to me... :-\
Good production values.
AvP also cost a heck of a lot less than its enormous sets would suggest.
Quote from: Charles Xavier on Jun 25, 2012, 03:26:02 PM
Quote from: Novak 1334 on Jun 25, 2012, 02:57:11 PM
Michael Bay is a perfect example, 500 million dollars on explosions and 50 dollars on a script
Let's not forget Battleship. *groans*
My friends wanted to go see it, unfortunateky I couldn't go having impaled myself on a rail road spike
Quote from: Edvin on Jun 25, 2012, 08:44:02 PM
Quote from: Novak 1334 on Jun 25, 2012, 02:57:11 PM
Michael Bay is a perfect example, 500 million dollars on explosions and 50 dollars on a script
Movies are like cars, they can be as shiny and fast as you want but without a good engine you're f***ed
would you want to watch transformers for anything else than the FX? i think it does right.
classic, people who misses the poin of the entire series.
Troll?
Quote from: Edvin on Jun 25, 2012, 08:44:02 PM
Quote from: Novak 1334 on Jun 25, 2012, 02:57:11 PM
Michael Bay is a perfect example, 500 million dollars on explosions and 50 dollars on a script
Movies are like cars, they can be as shiny and fast as you want but without a good engine you're f***ed
would you want to watch transformers for anything else than the FX? i think it does right.
classic, people who misses the poin of the entire series.
At the expense of a decent story? No
Quote from: Edvin on Jun 25, 2012, 08:44:02 PM
Quote from: Novak 1334 on Jun 25, 2012, 02:57:11 PM
Michael Bay is a perfect example, 500 million dollars on explosions and 50 dollars on a script
Movies are like cars, they can be as shiny and fast as you want but without a good engine you're f***ed
would you want to watch transformers for anything else than the FX? i think it does right.
classic, people who misses the poin of the entire series.
Michael Bay ruined Transformers. I hope you know that. If not, in the words of Ep III Obi Wan, "Then you
are lost!!!!"
Dont panic though, it's not like he's involved with another major franchise from our childhood....
Turtles?!!!
Right thats it, I'm getting off the bus
Quote from: Novak 1334 on Jun 26, 2012, 03:20:57 PM
Dont panic though, it's not like he's involved with another major franchise from our childhood....
Turtles?!!!
Right thats it, I'm getting off the bus
Its a f**kin shame. So much potential has been wasted on that deusch...
He might aswell have a go at AvP next, it's ruined anyway...
Though I wouldn't want to see racist Aliens and Predators with huge balls and the ability to teleport.
Though I wouldn't mind seeing Shia Lebouf getting facehugged...
I don't have much to add other than I kinda hate Bay. Like, honest hatred that is odd for someone you've never met. Yet in saying that (if it can be true hatred or not) it has nestled a place in my heart right along side Alien 3.
What went wrong is the dude in charge of the franchise with his stupid idea of keeping it in the present and on earth. For decades he kept saying no to scripts until some one finally gave him the crap that he wanted. And if that some one wouldnt have there still probably wouldnt be an AVP movie.
Quote from: M.O.T.I.M. on Jun 26, 2012, 03:17:20 PM
Quote from: Edvin on Jun 25, 2012, 08:44:02 PM
Quote from: Novak 1334 on Jun 25, 2012, 02:57:11 PM
Michael Bay is a perfect example, 500 million dollars on explosions and 50 dollars on a script
Movies are like cars, they can be as shiny and fast as you want but without a good engine you're f***ed
would you want to watch transformers for anything else than the FX? i think it does right.
classic, people who misses the poin of the entire series.
Michael Bay ruined Transformers. I hope you know that. If not, in the words of Ep III Obi Wan, "Then you are lost!!!!"
My god people we are going of topic here but here goes: I grew up with G1, the oldest is still the best, so dont tell me i am lost. Of course Michael Bays movies are bad, but you have to admit the animations are amazing, and the action is some of the greatest ever on film. TF has endured alot worse. i am just glad someone still cares about transformers. and i mean, if you take away everything except the transformers, the story isnt that bad. i mean, Frank and Peter are still doing the voices. and they still rock them! and every one of the movies is kind of like an adventure, where they discover different plots, and then suddenly they explode. its good fun! its so wild and crazy that you just have this adrenaline rush that most movies cant match nowadays. its fun to remember how good transformers was once, but its also nice to know that they still exist, and that the people making it still have love for the series. and i think people take that for granted.
And besides DID YOU SEE DARK OF THE MOON? Sentinel prime came down and was all like, "i am a goodguy, then Megatron and shockwave came, and then EXPLOSIONS! and Sentinel was all like "i am now a bad guy because of reasons" and then he "EXPLODED" IRONHIDE and it was AWESOME and optimus killed everyone and it was AWESOME.
looking forward to the fourth! def not looking forward to turtles though.
and TF prime is by far the worst shit i have seen in a long time, so why dont you start hating on that instead.
Quote from: CarnalCalligraphy on Jun 26, 2012, 03:05:48 PM
Quote from: Edvin on Jun 25, 2012, 08:44:02 PM
Quote from: Novak 1334 on Jun 25, 2012, 02:57:11 PM
Michael Bay is a perfect example, 500 million dollars on explosions and 50 dollars on a script
Movies are like cars, they can be as shiny and fast as you want but without a good engine you're f***ed
would you want to watch transformers for anything else than the FX? i think it does right.
classic, people who misses the poin of the entire series.
Troll?
youre the troll, troll. and please, we dont call people such profanities at AVPG, man. behave.
Quote from: Edvin on Jun 26, 2012, 08:16:32 PM
Quote from: M.O.T.I.M. on Jun 26, 2012, 03:17:20 PM
Quote from: Edvin on Jun 25, 2012, 08:44:02 PM
Quote from: Novak 1334 on Jun 25, 2012, 02:57:11 PM
Michael Bay is a perfect example, 500 million dollars on explosions and 50 dollars on a script
Movies are like cars, they can be as shiny and fast as you want but without a good engine you're f***ed
would you want to watch transformers for anything else than the FX? i think it does right.
classic, people who misses the poin of the entire series.
Michael Bay ruined Transformers. I hope you know that. If not, in the words of Ep III Obi Wan, "Then you are lost!!!!"
My god people we are going of topic here but here goes: I grew up with G1, the oldest is still the best, so dont tell me i am lost. Of course Michael Bays movies are bad, but you have to admit the animations are amazing, and the action is some of the greatest ever on film. TF has endured alot worse. i am just glad someone still cares about transformers. and i mean, if you take away everything except the transformers, the story isnt that bad. i mean, Frank and Peter are still doing the voices. and they still rock them! and every one of the movies is kind of like an adventure, where they discover different plots, and then suddenly they explode. its good fun! its so wild and crazy that you just have this adrenaline rush that most movies cant match nowadays. its fun to remember how good transformers was once, but its also nice to know that they still exist, and that the people making it still have love for the series. and i think people take that for granted.
And besides DID YOU SEE DARK OF THE MOON? Sentinel prime came down and was all like, "i am a goodguy, then Megatron and shockwave came, and then EXPLOSIONS! and Sentinel was all like "i am now a bad guy because of reasons" and then he "EXPLODED" IRONHIDE and it was AWESOME and optimus killed everyone and it was AWESOME.
looking forward to the fourth! def not looking forward to turtles though.
and TF prime is by far the worst shit i have seen in a long time, so why dont you start hating on that instead.
Sorry but I find nothing redeeming about those movies whatsoever, and believe me I wish I could. I tried watching Revenge of the fallen on tv yesterday and I got through the first ten minutes until the unflinching wave of symphonic explosions coupled with the typical michael Bay BAM BAM BAM Visual FX just forced me to shut it off. Its like being punched in the mind with the fist of stupidity, scene after scene after scene. I just can't take it. I won't take it. I had to walk outta the theatre during T1 it was such a load of counterfeit crap.
Quote from: M.O.T.I.M. on Jun 26, 2012, 10:25:29 PM
Its like being punched in the mind with the fist of stupidity
I am amused.
Sorry but I find nothing redeeming about those movies whatsoever, and believe me I wish I could. I tried watching Revenge of the fallen on tv yesterday and I got through the first ten minutes until the unflinching wave of symphonic explosions coupled with the typical michael Bay BAM BAM BAM Visual FX just forced me to shut it off. Its like being punched in the mind with the fist of stupidity, scene after scene after scene. I just can't take it. I won't take it. I had to walk outta the theatre during T1 it was such a load of counterfeit crap.
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i believe your describing a stroke, bro, check up at your local hospital.
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i believe your describing a stroke, bro, check up at your local hospital.
Yes Michael Bay is just like a stroke. Funny you should make that comparison.
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Sorry but I find nothing redeeming about those movies whatsoever, and believe me I wish I could. I tried watching Revenge of the fallen on tv yesterday and I got through the first ten minutes until the unflinching wave of symphonic explosions coupled with the typical michael Bay BAM BAM BAM Visual FX just forced me to shut it off. Its like being punched in the mind with the fist of stupidity, scene after scene after scene. I just can't take it. I won't take it. I had to walk outta the theatre during T1 it was such a load of counterfeit crap.
i believe your describing a stroke, bro, check up at your local hospital.
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Transformers is basically Michael Bay having a stroke with a $500 million budget.
Yes this is off topic but the point I'm trying to make is that movies like these are very pretty with huge budgets but they have no depth whatsoever, so the importance of AvP having a bigger budget isnt the answer, its all about the story
QuoteYes this is off topic but the point I'm trying to make is that movies like these are very pretty with huge budgets but they have no depth whatsoever, so the importance of AvP having a bigger budget isnt the answer, its all about the story
i agree, but of course there are movies who have a great story and a big budget, such as Watchmen, Tron:Legacy, Starwars, and more.
Yes exactly, Transformers was just an example of style over substance
Good shout on Watchmen by the way, though to be fair the subject matter was already there
QuoteTron:Legacy
Tron Legacy was Disney garbage... put down your crack pipe
The AVPs shouldn't have been on earth and shoulda made the creatures more mysterious and scary
Quote from: PREDDY VEDDER on Jun 27, 2012, 07:42:10 PM
QuoteTron:Legacy
Tron Legacy was Disney garbage... put down your crack pipe
The AVPs shouldn't have been on earth and shoulda made the creatures more mysterious and scary
"Disney Garbage"? the best movies of that year was Inception, Toy Story 3 and Tron: Legacy.
It was a prime year for Disney, and a Prime year for film. Tron Legacy is a underestimated modern Masterpiece.
Disney doesnt make much high Budget Garbage anymore.
Quote from: Edvin on Jun 27, 2012, 06:03:25 PM
QuoteYes this is off topic but the point I'm trying to make is that movies like these are very pretty with huge budgets but they have no depth whatsoever, so the importance of AvP having a bigger budget isnt the answer, its all about the story
i agree, but of course there are movies who have a great story and a big budget, such as Watchmen, Tron:Legacy, Starwars, and more.
The operative word is "had". Watchmen
had a good story, that when translated to film was incredibly boring.
And Tron:Legacy is nothing to write home about.
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Quote from: Edvin on Jun 27, 2012, 06:03:25 PM
QuoteYes this is off topic but the point I'm trying to make is that movies like these are very pretty with huge budgets but they have no depth whatsoever, so the importance of AvP having a bigger budget isnt the answer, its all about the story
i agree, but of course there are movies who have a great story and a big budget, such as Watchmen, Tron:Legacy, Starwars, and more.
The operative word is "had". Watchmen had a good story, that when translated to film was incredibly boring.
No... the story is still good. Watchmen is still a good story.
The horrible adaptation doesnt change the original.
Which is essentially what I was saying.
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Quote from: PREDDY VEDDER on Jun 27, 2012, 07:42:10 PM
QuoteTron:Legacy
Tron Legacy was Disney garbage... put down your crack pipe
The AVPs shouldn't have been on earth and shoulda made the creatures more mysterious and scary
"Disney Garbage"? the best movies of that year was Inception, Toy Story 3 and Tron: Legacy.
It was a prime year for Disney, and a Prime year for film. Tron Legacy is a underestimated modern Masterpiece.
Disney doesnt make much high Budget Garbage anymore.
WTF?
QuoteThe operative word is "had". Watchmen had a good story, that when translated to film was incredibly boring.
And Tron:Legacy is nothing to write home about.
what? you are like the first person who didnt like how it was adapted. i would say it is pretty flawless.
and i do not know what "writing home" means.
QuoteWTF?
what?
Edvin are you sure you're not named after Topher Grace in Predators?
Quote from: Slinger616 on Jun 28, 2012, 03:32:29 PM
Edvin are you sure you're not named after Topher Grace in Predators?
little off-topic but no. it is my real name.
Quotewhat? you are like the first person who didnt like how it was adapted. i would say it is pretty flawless.
and i do not know what "writing home" means.
With Watchmen rating around the mid 60s on Rotten Tomatoes, I bet I'm not the first. And won't be the last. You wouldn't think 12 issue comic series condensed down into a 2 and half film would drag, but Snyder achieved it. The story should've been streamlined more, instead of jumping around. There are things that are easy to get away with in a comic that you can't on film.
And what I meant about Tron Legacy, was that it was nothing special. The whole premise of getting discombobulated and zapped into a computer is just as silly now as it was in 1982. Pretty to look at - like the original - but not a great deal else to recommend it.
I think i cant agree on a word that you just said, but okay, we cool.
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Quote from: Slinger616 on Jun 28, 2012, 03:32:29 PM
Edvin are you sure you're not named after Topher Grace in Predators?
little off-topic but no. it is my real name.
Was Topher Grace named after you in Predators then?
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Quote from: Slinger616 on Jun 28, 2012, 03:32:29 PM
Edvin are you sure you're not named after Topher Grace in Predators?
little off-topic but no. it is my real name.
Was Topher Grace named after you in Predators then?
probs. actually loved his performance. great actor, really underrated.
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Quote from: Novak 1334 on Jun 29, 2012, 02:25:48 PM
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Quote from: Slinger616 on Jun 28, 2012, 03:32:29 PM
Edvin are you sure you're not named after Topher Grace in Predators?
little off-topic but no. it is my real name.
Was Topher Grace named after you in Predators then?
probs. actually loved his performance. great actor, really underrated.
Not saying his performance was bad, he's a good actor and I also love that he made a fan-cut of Star wars I-III as one movie. However he is the most misplaced character in the Predator universe and has absolutely no business on that hunting reserve planet as he poses absolutely no threat to Predators whatsoever and violates the law of "he didn't kill you 'cause you weren't armed...no sport" brought forth by Arnold in Predator 1. Serial killers prey on human trust and societal superficiality, luring you in by appearing to be your friend or just a nice guy or whatever. To a Predator who judges danger or "sport" by your natural killing ability, a person like this must equate to CB Weyland in AvP-weak-and not worth their time.
i agree that he didnt make much sense, but it was a real shocker at the end, and i think that gave the movie some much needed qualities.
Quote from: Edvin on Jun 29, 2012, 04:14:38 PM
Quote from: Novak 1334 on Jun 29, 2012, 02:25:48 PM
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Quote from: Slinger616 on Jun 28, 2012, 03:32:29 PM
Edvin are you sure you're not named after Topher Grace in Predators?
little off-topic but no. it is my real name.
Was Topher Grace named after you in Predators then?
probs. actually loved his performance. great actor, really underrated.
Yeah he's good, especially as Eddie Brock in Spiderman 3
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Quote from: Novak 1334 on Jun 29, 2012, 02:25:48 PM
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Quote from: Slinger616 on Jun 28, 2012, 03:32:29 PM
Edvin are you sure you're not named after Topher Grace in Predators?
little off-topic but no. it is my real name.
Was Topher Grace named after you in Predators then?
probs. actually loved his performance. great actor, really underrated.
Yeah he's good, especially as Eddie Brock in Spiderman 3
haha, and you mention the only movie where i dont like him that much. i mean, he didnt do that bad of a job, but his character wasnt really that well written.
Good actors make it work
He's good but it wasen't his acting that made him overlooked in Spider-Man 3. It's really his physique. His acting in Predators was pretty well.
I hated the character :(
I will admit I was impressed with Grace's performance in Predators. When I first learned he had a role in the film, I laughed and it actually rained a little on the excitement parade I had for the film. I thought he would stick out like a sore thumb in the franchise as a whole. However after seeing it, I thought it did a great job. By the end after learning of his background, I couldn't help but enjoy his imminent death. The little worm.
On topic, what happened to the AVP franchise. I thought AVP was good, the first half was great, the second half felt rushed and choppy. AVPr was all wrong. Instead of taking the line into unknown territory, it just became a lame-ass sci-fi shit-fest. It pissed all over continuity, made the aliens look weak as hell, made the predator this bad-ass cleaner but with questionable tactics (shooting an alien at pointblank while holding his neck?), and it had the star/main character a f**kING pizza delivery boy! Seriously I don't really know where to begin on this movie.
My biggest thing with AvPR is they came back to earth. The way the first one ended was a great opportunity to do something different in space. Guess that was to much to ask for.