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[RIP77]

Alien is more than monster is style. Is more comercial.

Reason is division audience in Prometheus not Alien. But Alien es more comercial and Fox want movie more comercial.

Fox want style Weaver in new character, in genre terror ... and Alien is all. Prmetheus 2 no is.

Changued in Prometheus 2 are  more style Alien. charecter pirncipal, genre and monster.Fox dont want Shaw becose want new Weaver.  Fox tell less engineers.Changued in Prometheus 2 for auidience division  Prometheus. 50% love 50% hate.


Alien in Prometheus 2 is different than in Covenant becose is other style.

Scott not want Alien in Prometheus 2 but do or dont Prometheus 2 is differenct in style  than Covenant.Scott dont want movie terror scream.
Scott love Prometheus 2, no style Covenant, no Alien. Scott bored Alien in 2013, he says.

Alien in Prometheus 2 is posibble but Fox want more, style different, new tone. Scott sad and make movie no passion.


BR2049 director Scott but no make for Covenant and Scott sad, yes. But  Scott wanrt Prometheus 2 style , not comercial movie Alien Covenant. Scott no want make Covenant but yes Prometheus 2 but after BR2049.

Scott tries to satisfy with Prometheus fans and Alien  fans and Fox studio.

Scott is responsability too but Fox is idiot.let Scott shoot Prometheus 2 which he likes better than Covenant and he'll do it better.

[TomT]

Alien Covenant was so commercial it did almost twice less than Prometheus 

[RIP77]

Fox and Scott thought so. After Fox president say that it was a mistake to believe that with the Alien they would do more at the box office. Covenant more terror, blood, Alien, action. Is more comercial.



There are more commercial sequels that do less at the box office too. Not only Covenant.

Covenant taste less but it also did less at the box office due to the division of the public of Prometheus. Fox  was afraid that Prometheus 2 would do less at the box office  without Alien. Prometheus was The Last Jedi in discussions, division public.


Covenant  was made for the Prometheus  new fan and the Alien fan and it pissed off the Prometheus fan and the Alien fan.

The box office was lower for that reason and because the impact of a new Alien after Prometheus ( Alien Resurrection   Prometheus 16 years ago   .. Covenant  4 years after , is event more small in public potencial less , less time , )   was lost, which, although without Alien, reached the old fan and the new one.  Covenant premieres before Prometheus Made  500 or more but after Prometheus... public renegade , others  like me, very fan. Divison public  Prometheus determinant in saga for Fox/Scott.

[TomT]

Prometheus definitely wasn't The Last Jedi because it still has the best reception in the franchise after Aliens, so if it's The Last Jedi, then what was Alien 3, Resurrection and AvPs, Rise of Skywalker?  Most of Prometheus real complaints (not vague "where's xenomorph" or "where's answers") were about glaringly dumb characters and logic gaps, something that could be fixed with one script pass, but you could see that people wanted to see where it's going unlike Star Wars, how could you not to since it had maybe the best the most ambitious setup for a sequel in any movie ever. A good Prometheus sequel would at least match Prometheus box office, a great one could go beyond that, trailer alone could look mind-blowing with revolutionary visuals never seen before on a big screen. Plus Covenant was sold as a slasher flick and had staying power of one, Prometheus was sold as an event film and looked like one. Selling Covenant as a slasher was the dumbest decision ever, event films always do more money and attract bigger audience. Covenant wouldn't have done 500 mln if it was released instead of Prometheus for the same reasons, it's a much worse movie and it had much worse marketing campaign.

[SiL]

All of the dumb characters and logic gaps were actually fine in the earlier drafts. They made it worse as they went along, and then worse again in the editing.

Prometheus played heavily on "Ridley Scott is back doing sci-fi!", and that was enough to drive massive amounts of people to see the movie. Then people were disappointed with it, and the word of mouth was consistently negative. There were no Aliens, the characters were idiots, etc. Ridley being back wasn't necessarily a good thing.

Covenant was on the back foot from the get-go.

[oduodu]

finally someone who can sum up the problems with prometheus. just like to add the aftermath of lost as lindeloff involvement was blamed on scott. i still believe scott was forced by fox to lindelize the whole thing as lost was a huge financial success for fox.


maybe i am wrong.

also someone not knowing the influence and story line of both the book version and movie version of  2001 a space odyssey and its sequel 2010 is going to have a hard time making sense of alien prometheus and covenant.

required reading and viewing as far as i am concerned.

it explains the ai gone roque and external hand in that to destroy mankind.


m2c's

[TomT]

All of the dumb characters and logic gaps were actually fine in the earlier drafts. They made it worse as they went along, and then worse again in the editing.

Prometheus played heavily on "Ridley Scott is back doing sci-fi!", and that was enough to drive massive amounts of people to see the movie. Then people were disappointed with it, and the word of mouth was consistently negative. There were no Aliens, the characters were idiots, etc. Ridley being back wasn't necessarily a good thing.

Covenant was on the back foot from the get-go.

That's true, even Lindelof's revision had less dumb moments than the final film, so maybe it was Ridley's fault.

WOM was mixed, but I wouldn't say it was outright negative. The problem is Covenant didn't look good to begin with, I was a bit concerned when the first trailer was released, so it didn't help either.

[Neila]

well, not a single alien movie has ever been a real flop.
they've all played enough to keep going.
Halloween 2018 was celebrated as a hit, while everyone was talking about Covenant as a flop and that people are probably no longer interested in the creature alien.
It is interesting that both films had worldwide recorded almost the same . only Halloween 2018 was much cheaper in production costs, which is why the net profit was also much higher than Covenant. however, audience interest was about the same for both films.
in almost every film there is always a passage that is illogical or even stupid. say what you want, except for a few really stupid scenes, prometheus and covenant are still masterpieces.

[RIP77]

The Last Jedi excelents reviews in rottentomatoes  with 90% profesionals. But division in public.


Prometheus 70% in Rottentomatoes but  division in public.

My comparation is only in division public. And sequels do loser fans in boxoffice  in Covenant and Episode IX.

But Covenant and IX are bad films than  VIII or Prometheus.

But Prometheus  is polemican film in premiere but 16 years ago since Alien 4 is very long time to return fans and forgiven for Alien4 . Promethues premiere in 2000 and  less boxoffice than  400 yes or yes. Alien 4 was very polemic and reviews bads. Promethers for me resucite  saga Alien.

Moment premiere is important. Covenant in 2013 more boxoffice tan 250.  a lot of  time since 1997.  But in 2017 few time  since Promethues. Fox and Scott have fear reaction fot  boxoffice.  Says it.  Covenant return Alien for fear.  Prometheus 130+100 marketing =  230x2= 460. Exit moderate with reviews 70% and public division.

I fan Prometheus but is  hate and love for people and Fox/Scott says it and Covenant is un intento de   hacer feliz a todos. Frankestein movie .it doesn't work like prometheus 2 nor like new Alien

[SiL]

It wasn't outright negative, but it was negative enough to warrant a lower budget and Scott to rethink his plan.

[TomT]

No, he could get at least Prometheus budget if he wanted to. And he had higher budget on Covenant than he actually spent on it, by his own words. What made him rethink his plan is simply losing interest completely in the project, if he actually cared so much about negative part of Prometheus buzz, he wouldn't have spent at least 2 years to develop Prometheus sequel, it would've been Covenant from the get-go.

[oduodu]

at that stage they wrote 15 drafts for covenant. as was the case with alien 3(13 scripts) they really werent sure where to go.

[TomT]

well, not a single alien movie has ever been a real flop.
they've all played enough to keep going.
Halloween 2018 was celebrated as a hit, while everyone was talking about Covenant as a flop and that people are probably no longer interested in the creature alien.
It is interesting that both films had worldwide recorded almost the same . only Halloween 2018 was much cheaper in production costs, which is why the net profit was also much higher than Covenant. however, audience interest was about the same for both films.

Halloween and Alien are in different leagues entirely and can't be compared. Halloween did great for its franchise, genre and budget. Covenant had a massive drop from its predecessor, even worse reception and terrible legs.

at that stage they wrote 15 drafts for covenant. as was the case with alien 3(13 scripts) they really werent sure where to go.

Prometheus follow up had just 2 visions, direct sequel and Covenant, both from the same director and with similar basic structure. Alien 3 had many completely different stories and different directors attached, so I wouldn't say it's the same situation. They were clearly going in direction they planned initially and then changed their mind after 2-2.5 years of development and it became what it became.

[oduodu]

the argument is just that scott wasnt able to do what he initially set out to do. he didnt want to have a movie with the alien in it. according to him the beast was cooked. that was the basis on which he wanted to make covenant. that tells me that fox was afraid that an alien movie with no alien was going to make no money. so the story was not what scott wanted to tell and covenant felt like it was rushed to get it over with with scott just trying to do things in covenant he was never able to do in alien as the only thing he really cared about at that point.

hence the writers was left to their own devices and the story no longer mattered as much to scott as it initially nay have. no guidance really from anyone.

opinion piece

[Neila]

Halloween and Alien are in different leagues entirely and can't be compared....

that is only partly true.
the alien franchise was a pretty big deal up until part 3. After that it has slowed down a bit because you can't ride around forever on the monster vs. human track and count on high successes at the box office.
with the predator crossing it has reached its lowest point.
At least as far as the claim is concerned.
With Prometheus, Scott wanted to take it all to a higher level.
but the fans wanted the alien back and that led to Covenant.
The box office of Covenant was actually nothing unusual for an alien film.
(still higher than predator movies for example)
Tom Woodruff once said that these films (Alien) are actually rather small and don't justify a huge budget.

Personally I think the Alien franchise still has the most interesting and best sequels/prequels to many other horror and sci fi franchises.