Poll
Question:
Thoughts on Trailer 2
Option 1: LOVED IT! OMG THAT WAS AMAZING
votes: 84
Option 2: Awesome! Better than the first.
votes: 71
Option 3: Pretty good
votes: 48
Option 4: Meh....
votes: 23
Option 5: Hated it.
votes: 7
Trailer (Green band) is on Fox now!!
http://www.foxmovies.com/movies/alien-covenant
When I try watching it it says "private". Fix for this??
https://twitter.com/AlienAnthology/status/836749013760122880
And it's up!
I guess they have it up already and they'll take it off private when it goes live. Thanks for letting us know! :)
Just watched the new trailer on foxmovies (green band), pretty much all new footage with some very nice xeno shots at the end and some more neomorph action
Quote from: echobbase79 on Feb 28, 2017, 09:50:26 PM
I guess they have it up already and they'll take it off private when it goes live. Thanks for letting us know! :)
They just took it off, link doesn't work anymore.
Two reactions so far on AlienCovenant.com are
"Yep,the green band trailer is on foxmovies.com.
There are soo many things to discuss from it..."
"AWESOME! TRAILER UP!!! NEOMORPHS!!! XENOMORPHS!!!!
FANTASTIC!"
Sounds like its pretty lit.
They might have done a quick tease. I wonder if anyone got the link and downloaded before they took it down?
Quote from: echobbase79 on Feb 28, 2017, 06:46:08 PM
I don't understand Franco's role in this film? He gets sick and then supposedly-
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dies in cryo-sleep. Seems kind of pointless.
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He has more screen time and dialogue in that prologue than in the actual film.
Quote from: echobbase79 on Feb 28, 2017, 09:54:58 PM
They might have done a quick tease. I wonder if anyone got the link and downloaded before they took it down?
Yep someone downloaded it
Quote from: salomonj on Feb 28, 2017, 09:56:30 PM
Quote from: echobbase79 on Feb 28, 2017, 09:54:58 PM
They might have done a quick tease. I wonder if anyone got the link and downloaded before they took it down?
Yep someone downloaded it
Got a link?
"It says private video now, but if was active for about an hour. no joke...... I could describe the thing in detail if you want. Its pretty amazing" Great reactions omg super stoked.
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Feb 28, 2017, 09:56:58 PM
Quote from: salomonj on Feb 28, 2017, 09:56:30 PM
Quote from: echobbase79 on Feb 28, 2017, 09:54:58 PM
They might have done a quick tease. I wonder if anyone got the link and downloaded before they took it down?
Yep someone downloaded it
Got a link?
I asked the guy, I'll post it if he replies!
Ah, I see. Someone from Scified downloaded it. Did no-one from here grab a download while it was up?
OMG !
So did someone on here see it?
Seen it,
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intense neomorph fighting in the bushes + nice ending with xenomorph trying to burst into McBrides windshield of their dropship ;)
Apparently, Salomonj saw it.
Quote from: Hoschi on Feb 28, 2017, 09:50:54 PM
Just watched the new trailer on foxmovies (green band), pretty much all new footage with some very nice xeno shots at the end and some more neomorph action
Really wish I wasn't at work right now.
Is trailer online somewhere?
It was on youtube for a second... ;D
Apparently Dark Nebula from Scified downloaded it but I'm not a member.
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Oh man. That shot of the Alien is sweet. ;D
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Is that a dead Engineer in this shot?
Unreal
GIVE US TRAILERR!!! :D ;D ;D :o :o
omg looks so good
david aka one man genocide , the classic xeno :) fantastic
WHOAH. :o
DUUUUUUUUUDE.
Is that an overhead shot of an
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Engineer with his chest burst in David's twisted workshop
????
Looks like Shaw on the table in that top pic Hicks posted. Too small to be an engineer.
THIS IS UNBELIEVABLE ! CITADELLE WOOOOW
THIS IS INSANE.... :o
Quote from: echobbase79 on Feb 28, 2017, 10:31:00 PM
Oh man. That shot of the Alien is sweet. ;D
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Is that a dead Engineer in this shot?
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(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.alien-covenant.com%2Faliencovenant_uploads%2F47.png&hash=acf815e9dcdfbf55a657d8a001795938c67bd9f7)
Ha. I just asked the same thing.
I am also shocked that David's
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workshop actually exists. Where the hell did he get paper?
;-)
I'm torn
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The design seems to have taken the fleshy muscle look to a new level... but its still awesome looking. Definitely a design overhall but still obviously an an alien. I'm loving the dome over the head though
.
Quote from: hfeldhaus on Feb 28, 2017, 10:35:32 PM
Looks like Shaw on the table in that top pic Hicks posted. Too small to be an engineer.
Shaw is blue-white and bald? ;-)
It's someone from the crew.
Quote from: hfeldhaus on Feb 28, 2017, 10:35:32 PM
Looks like Shaw on the table in that top pic Hicks posted. Too small to be an engineer.
I think your right on closer inspection.
I know nobody was ever THAT specific with leaks, but there are things we're seeing here that no one mentioned. Gets me excited.
holy.f**king.shit
That was amazing. Million times better than the first one!
Quote from: Ingwar on Feb 28, 2017, 10:38:06 PM
It's someone from the crew.
Huh. My first reaction was definitely Engineer.
Quote from: shawsbaby on Feb 28, 2017, 10:37:10 PM
Quote from: hfeldhaus on Feb 28, 2017, 10:35:32 PM
Looks like Shaw on the table in that top pic Hicks posted. Too small to be an engineer.
Shaw is blue-white and bald? ;-)
After David has experimented... Maybe. Its too far away to tell but thats my guess.
Can somebody link me to something? PM me?
Any chance to see that trailer somewhere?????
The xeno looks really f-ing scary in this. I love how we're seeing it in what looks to be outside daylight?
The trailer is much better!
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More.
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Yeah if any one has a link to the trailer pm me
Same!
I'm skim reading this thread now so I don't read too much.
For those who got an early glimpse of the trailer - how "safe" do you think it is for me and maybe others to watch the trailer and not be totally spoiled about potential plot points? I know its very subjective, but I'd appreciate some advice.
S A M E!!! :D ;D
Eggs.
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Quote from: 426Buddy on Feb 28, 2017, 10:44:38 PM
Yeah if any one has a link to the trailer pm me
Likewise 😜
Those screenshots look amazing !
The trailer didn't seem to spoil much for me. Unless you're holding out on seeing the aliens of course.
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David.
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THANKSSS! ;D :D :D :D
Much better trailer than the first one. They re-use some prologue footage and some bits from the first trailer but otherwise, lots of new footage. Some great visuals in there!
Don't expect this to be up long either.
Quote from: echobbase79 on Feb 28, 2017, 10:46:09 PM
The trailer didn't seem to spoil much for me. Unless you're holding out on seeing the aliens of course.
Link removed at request of 20th Century Fox.
Holy Shit!!! ;D
OMFG
OH
MAH
GOD.
That last shot....
Holy shit!! I can't believe how great that looked.
Hyped up like crazy now.
MYYY GOOOODDDD...
:o :o :o :o
THIS IS UNREAL.... :laugh: :laugh:
Hype meter.... just exploded...
YES! Now that's a trailer! I'm excited again.
God, this is perfect. May can't get here soon enough!
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi.imgur.com%2FVHkGm4P.gif&hash=d17a5b63e6285958c3722176221fe89814eaf539)
At 2:19 in bottom left there is a Xeno hanging under the ship!
Aliens looked really fast, I was digging that.
Really surprised to hear the alien noises from "Cameron's aliens" was that just filler used for the trailer?
The aliens feel scary again.
"The path to paradise begins in hell"
Fantastic headline.
Also, confirmation of IMAX, but in select theaters.
Was this leaked on the US Fox website?
Anyone else spot the spare chairsuits?
Looks incredible. THE ALIEN IS BACK!
Ho-lee crap. :o
So amazing.
I liked when the title screen comes on one of the characters yells "HOLD ON!" to let you know there's more.
A lot of things we already know! I don't like the first minute but the pictures are so great!
Alien in the corridor wow
I'm so happy they didn't show more than a quick glimpse of the Neomorph. From what it shows, it looks great tho.
Nice to see some of the prologue will be in the actual movie.
OMG i think i just came....
Does anyone know the name of the music in the trailer which also plays at the very end of the "Prologue: Last Supper" trailer when Daniels has her speech?
I don't like it, beside the color grading which I find fantastic.
It sounds like a remake of Alien and Prometheus. Already the third film telling the same story again. What a waste.
I stand with the very first impression I had since the first time I saw prometheus.
This is exactly a remake of AVP films somehow with decent budget this time but still the same plate.
The music is a lot better. Its amazing around the Cudrup Facehugger scene. Really built it up.
Gonna wait untill tomorrow to watch it. But the screencaps look pretty awesome.
That Alien at the end. So aggressive. And unbelievably strong to attack and actually break the wind shield.
I love how
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fast the alien is in some of those shots!
Amazing trailer but Xenos look too much CGI. Overall, great stuff!
Quote from: Le Celticant on Feb 28, 2017, 11:04:56 PM
I don't like it, beside the color grading which I find fantastic.
It sounds like a remake of Alien and Prometheus. Already the third film telling the same story again. What a waste.
Wait, are you saying that prometheus was like a remake of alien and that this looks like a remake of both?
It is Shaw's dog tag after all.
I was wrong.
But I dont remember that she had one... ???
I don't really like how you can see the Xeno in clear daylight. However, it still looks great.
OH MY GOD. That gave me chills like no other trailer I've ever seen. Absolutely amazing, Ridley Scott is my GOD
This trailer should get much better reception than the last one
Quote from: 426Buddy on Feb 28, 2017, 11:12:12 PM
Quote from: Le Celticant on Feb 28, 2017, 11:04:56 PM
I don't like it, beside the color grading which I find fantastic.
It sounds like a remake of Alien and Prometheus. Already the third film telling the same story again. What a waste.
Wait, are you saying that prometheus was like a remake of alien and that this looks like a remake of both?
Well yeah and Nah.
Prometheus was really a remake of
AVP, not Alien.
But it shares exactly the same narrative motivation ie:
-People intercept a message (signal on a planet, a cave painting, a heat detection blablabla).
-Decides to investigates with promise of great things (money or origin of mankind).
-They find desolates places and learn how wrong they were to come here.
Alien Plot.
AvP Plot.
Prometheus Plot.
Alien Covenant Plot.
I can understand for AVP cos it's a cheap adaptation from a video game director so the fact he copy/pastes Alien and adds his own elements (origin of mankind, ancient astronaut theories blabla) I get it.
But Prometheus...
And now Alien covenant ::)
I can't be fooled infinitely you know.
Quote from: Enoch on Feb 28, 2017, 11:12:43 PM
It is Shaw's dog tag after all.
I was wrong.
But I dont remember that she had one... ???
Where is that confirmed?
Tell me something they said that Crupdup's character was attacked by facehugger and then he died
when someone tried to detach the thing from his face... obviously a false info... We can clearly see
a chestburster breaking his ribs and...
Quote from: shawsbaby on Feb 28, 2017, 11:19:37 PM
Where is that confirmed?
In the new trailer... ;)
I've had to take down the screencaps.
After Alien Isolation I prefer the digitgrade legs. If you look closely at that amazing "jumping hallway shot" you can see Ridley decided to go with them tool. I'm actually really happy about it even if some of the other design cues seem a little messed up. I guess this isn't supposed to be the big chap from alien afterall (which I was hoping it would be..design wise)
Quote from: Enoch on Feb 28, 2017, 11:20:36 PM
Tell me something they said that Crupdup's character was attacked by facehugger and then he died
when someone tried to detach the thing from his face... obviously a false info... We can clearly see
a chestburster breaking his ribs and...
Quote from: shawsbaby on Feb 28, 2017, 11:19:37 PM
Where is that confirmed?
In the new trailer... ;)
Nevermind. Upon closer inspection I see it says SHAW.
I'm pretty sure the trailer will be showcase this morning here in France.
Logan is being released and they usually shows new trailer every Wednesday.
If I can catch some time I'll go watch Logan and let you know if I've seen it (and if it hasn't already been released or reported).
Wow - that was intense. Indeed it was like a mash up of both Alien and Aliens. It looks like a full on horror. I really hope this can measure up.
I think I heard "David" shouted when Daniels found the tag.
And I could be hearing things, but it sounded like Shaw's voice.
Alien in the red corridor is EPIC.
Quote from: Anthony on Feb 28, 2017, 11:25:17 PM
I think I heard "David" shouted when Daniels found the tag.
And I could be hearing things, but it sounded like Shaw's voice.
I'm pretty sure it says "take it".
Quote from: Ingwar on Feb 28, 2017, 11:26:02 PM
Alien in the red corridor is EPIC.
Couldn't agree more!
Loving the Neomorphs so far. Definitely seem like the natural evolution of the Deacon.
I have to say the resemblance to ressurections' xenos are remarkable but much more realistic.. I may be an ass for saying, yeah there is nothing we haven't seen in terms of xenos but hell that dragging Daniels hanging by a rope was breath taking so much so that Ill walk in mindlessly into the theater for it. :) BRAVO!
Why are all of you going crazy?
I don't like that we see the alien stalk it's prey. To make tension it should be the other way round. It should focus on the character being stalked without the audience knowing where the creature might or might not pop out.
What we see is not horror but action. Sure it looks fun but not intense to me...
Quote from: Le Celticant on Feb 28, 2017, 11:18:20 PM
Quote from: 426Buddy on Feb 28, 2017, 11:12:12 PM
Quote from: Le Celticant on Feb 28, 2017, 11:04:56 PM
I don't like it, beside the color grading which I find fantastic.
It sounds like a remake of Alien and Prometheus. Already the third film telling the same story again. What a waste.
Wait, are you saying that prometheus was like a remake of alien and that this looks like a remake of both?
Well yeah and Nah.
Prometheus was really a remake of AVP, not Alien.
But it shares exactly the same narrative motivation ie:
-People intercept a message (signal on a planet, a cave painting, a heat detection blablabla).
-Decides to investigates with promise of great things (money or origin of mankind).
-They find desolates places and learn how wrong they were to come here.
Alien Plot.
AvP Plot.
Prometheus Plot.
Alien Covenant Plot.
I can understand for AVP cos it's a cheap adaptation from a video game director so the fact he copy/pastes Alien and adds his own elements (origin of mankind, ancient astronaut theories blabla) I get it.
But Prometheus...
And now Alien covenant ::)
I can't be fooled infinitely you know.
I can see that criticism.
Unfortunately I'm a sucker for these kinds of films, as long as it can be done in a way that feels fresh, interesting, and new I'll love it. If they succeed you get an alien and If not then you get avp again. If you're Riddles it'll most likely fall somewhere in between like Prometheus.
Quote from: Ingwar on Feb 28, 2017, 11:26:02 PM
Alien in the red corridor is EPIC.
Indeed, it looks crazy fast. Wouldn't want to have that chasing behind me.
Quote from: Le Celticant on Feb 28, 2017, 11:27:14 PM
Quote from: Anthony on Feb 28, 2017, 11:25:17 PM
I think I heard "David" shouted when Daniels found the tag.
And I could be hearing things, but it sounded like Shaw's voice.
I'm pretty sure it says "take it".
It does the more I listen to it.
Trailer should be officially up by 6 AM-7 AM PST time, based on Fox's history of releasing trailers.
Anyone have a link? Didn't catch it
Damn, I missed it. :( Someone hook me up please. ;D
Quote from: nanison on Feb 28, 2017, 11:33:34 PM
Why are all of you going crazy?
I don't like that we see the alien stalk it's prey. To make tension it should be the other way round. It should focus on the character being stalked without the audience knowing where the creature might or might not pop out.
What we see is not horror but action. Sure it looks fun but not intense to me...
So you essentially mean jump scares. A character walking down a corridor and we're all just waiting for something to jump out?
Quote from: PsyKore on Feb 28, 2017, 11:36:12 PM
Damn, I missed it. :( Someone hook me up please. ;D
I messaged you the link.
Quote from: shawsbaby on Feb 28, 2017, 11:23:12 PM
Do they have her name on them? Did I miss that?
Not sure why they wouldn't just put her cross on the tree instead...
I agree that her cross on the tree would probably have been more obvious, and would have meant more ( but maybe that means she's still alive somewhere ;D ).
You can definitely see DR E SHAW written on the tag. Besides, it's the Weyland symbol instead of the Weyland-Yutani one.
Loved the trailer. I just hope that the CGI is still being worked on and relatively unfinished at this stage... a couple of shots were a bit disappointing in that regard.
Quote from: Beardomorph on Feb 28, 2017, 11:40:35 PM
Quote from: shawsbaby on Feb 28, 2017, 11:23:12 PM
Do they have her name on them? Did I miss that?
Not sure why they wouldn't just put her cross on the tree instead...
I agree that her cross on the tree would probably have been more obvious, and would have meant more ( but maybe that means she's still alive somewhere ;D ).
You can definitely see DR E SHAW written on the tag. Besides, it's the Weyland symbol instead of the Weyland-Yutani one.
Loved the trailer. I just hope that the CGI is still being worked on and relatively unfinished at this stage... a couple of shots were a bit disappointing in that regard.
I'm sure they are. I remember some Prometheus shots looking rough in the trailers but the final product being as close to perfect as you can get.
That could mean that she is alive...
She didnt want to lose that cross...
Quote from: Enoch on Feb 28, 2017, 11:42:54 PM
That could mean that she is alive...
She didnt want to lose that cross...
Good point.
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Quote from: Beardomorph on Feb 28, 2017, 11:40:35 PM
Loved the trailer. I just hope that the CGI is still being worked on and relatively unfinished at this stage... a couple of shots were a bit disappointing in that regard.
I'm sure they are. I remember some Prometheus shots looking rough in the trailers but the final product being as close to perfect as you can get.
That's reassuring... I wonder how close to the release date they keep working on perfecting the CGI. ???
watched it like 30x already , somehow ridley scott has found a way to make the alien scary again so film is big win
So that was Shaws tag!!!! Now who was it that insisted that I was wrong???
So let's see I correctly guessed that Shaw was in pic. And then she was announced as being on set.
AND......
Correctly guessed that it was Shaw's tag. Hmmm!! 8)
Quote from: Enoch on Feb 28, 2017, 11:42:54 PM
That could mean that she is alive...
She didnt want to lose that cross...
Once again, if Shaw is alive, I hope that her personality is a bit more insane like from all the shit she's seen in the decade between Prometheus and Covenant.
Quote from: Anthony on Feb 28, 2017, 11:47:51 PM
Quote from: Enoch on Feb 28, 2017, 11:42:54 PM
That could mean that she is alive...
She didnt want to lose that cross...
Once again, if Shaw is alive, I hope that her personality is a bit more insane like from all the shit she's seen in the decade between Prometheus and Covenant.
She's on the slab in Davids Dungeon. She dead dude.
Quote from: Anthony on Feb 28, 2017, 11:47:51 PM
Once again, if Shaw is alive, I hope that her personality is a bit more insane like from all the shit she's seen in the decade between Prometheus and Covenant.
I would like to see the same thing. :)
Hot damn that was a good trailer, much more effective than the teaser!
Quote from: hfeldhaus on Feb 28, 2017, 11:50:22 PM
Quote from: Anthony on Feb 28, 2017, 11:47:51 PM
Quote from: Enoch on Feb 28, 2017, 11:42:54 PM
That could mean that she is alive...
She didnt want to lose that cross...
Once again, if Shaw is alive, I hope that her personality is a bit more insane like from all the shit she's seen in the decade between Prometheus and Covenant.
She's on the slab in Davids Dungeon. She dead dude.
Still looks like an Engineer to me...
The creature at the end definitely bares a strong resemblance to the '79 Alien. This one however seems more streamlined, perhaps even more refined. Im loving the design. The Planet also looks incredible. The deeper into the planet they go the darker and more ominous it looks. Dante's inferno indeed. Seems like Ridley got warmed up with Prometheus. It was a warm up excercise. Then the Martian really got him going. And now with Alien covenant, it definitely looks like proper old school sci fi horror is back with a big bang.
Quote from: shawsbaby on Feb 28, 2017, 11:51:30 PM
Quote from: hfeldhaus on Feb 28, 2017, 11:50:22 PM
Quote from: Anthony on Feb 28, 2017, 11:47:51 PM
Quote from: Enoch on Feb 28, 2017, 11:42:54 PM
That could mean that she is alive...
She didnt want to lose that cross...
Once again, if Shaw is alive, I hope that her personality is a bit more insane like from all the shit she's seen in the decade between Prometheus and Covenant.
She's on the slab in Davids Dungeon. She dead dude.
Still looks like an Engineer to me...
It could be but it looks human sized and I think you can even see hair. My guess is Shaw or could even be Cudrup after the Facehugger incident. He's most likely Davids first victim and was experimented on.
Quote from: hfeldhaus on Feb 28, 2017, 11:36:28 PM
Quote from: nanison on Feb 28, 2017, 11:33:34 PM
Why are all of you going crazy?
I don't like that we see the alien stalk it's prey. To make tension it should be the other way round. It should focus on the character being stalked without the audience knowing where the creature might or might not pop out.
What we see is not horror but action. Sure it looks fun but not intense to me...
So you essentially mean jump scares. A character walking down a corridor and we're all just waiting for something to jump out?
That's what worked in "Alien" the greatest horror movie of all time. Less is more for horror.
Wait.... So they show Shaws body??
Quote from: hfeldhaus on Feb 28, 2017, 11:54:13 PM
Quote from: shawsbaby on Feb 28, 2017, 11:51:30 PM
Quote from: hfeldhaus on Feb 28, 2017, 11:50:22 PM
Quote from: Anthony on Feb 28, 2017, 11:47:51 PM
Quote from: Enoch on Feb 28, 2017, 11:42:54 PM
That could mean that she is alive...
She didnt want to lose that cross...
Once again, if Shaw is alive, I hope that her personality is a bit more insane like from all the shit she's seen in the decade between Prometheus and Covenant.
She's on the slab in Davids Dungeon. She dead dude.
Still looks like an Engineer to me...
It could be but it looks human sized and I think you can even see hair. My guess is Shaw or could even be Cudrup after the Facehugger incident. He's most likely Davids first victim and was experimented on.
Can't wait to find out!
IMO, jumpscares are good when they're actually the terror jumping at the heroes, and not a tap on the shoulder.
Quote from: nanison on Feb 28, 2017, 11:54:42 PM
Quote from: hfeldhaus on Feb 28, 2017, 11:36:28 PM
Quote from: nanison on Feb 28, 2017, 11:33:34 PM
Why are all of you going crazy?
I don't like that we see the alien stalk it's prey. To make tension it should be the other way round. It should focus on the character being stalked without the audience knowing where the creature might or might not pop out.
What we see is not horror but action. Sure it looks fun but not intense to me...
So you essentially mean jump scares. A character walking down a corridor and we're all just waiting for something to jump out?
That's what worked in "Alien" the greatest horror movie of all time. Less is more for horror.
I m sure this one will have both types of scary stuff so you ll definitely be scarred one way or another.
Quote from: Pvt. Himmel on Feb 28, 2017, 11:55:15 PM
Wait.... So they show Shaws body??
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Possibly. I can't decide if its her or not.
Someone PM the trailer or the screenshots. I couldn't saw anything :'(
Quote from: Pvt. Himmel on Feb 28, 2017, 11:55:15 PM
Wait.... So they show Shaws body??
Hard to say...
There is a possibility but I think thats not her in the trailer. I firmly believe that we ll see her alive.
Quote from: shawsbaby on Feb 28, 2017, 11:51:30 PM
Still looks like an Engineer to me...
Agreed. Definitely looks like an engineer. At first sight anyway.
If she is indeed dead though, it would still be a nice gesture from David to have left the cross with her, a mark of respect somehow after how much she wanted to keep that cross with her in Prometheus. And yes, "a nice gesture" in twisted robot-logic-land if David happens to be the one responsible for her death... ( which I'm hoping he is not ).
Quote from: nanison on Feb 28, 2017, 11:54:42 PM
Quote from: hfeldhaus on Feb 28, 2017, 11:36:28 PM
Quote from: nanison on Feb 28, 2017, 11:33:34 PM
Why are all of you going crazy?
I don't like that we see the alien stalk it's prey. To make tension it should be the other way round. It should focus on the character being stalked without the audience knowing where the creature might or might not pop out.
What we see is not horror but action. Sure it looks fun but not intense to me...
So you essentially mean jump scares. A character walking down a corridor and we're all just waiting for something to jump out?
That's what worked in "Alien" the greatest horror movie of all time. Less is more for horror.
And you're still likely to get those moments with this film. Just don't go dismissing the horror of the film because of one trailer sequence.
Quote from: Pvt. Himmel on Feb 28, 2017, 11:55:15 PM
Wait.... So they show Shaws body??
There is an overhead shot of
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a xeno looking down on David's lab/workshop and you see a very pale body laying on a slab with its chest burst open. Looks like an Engineer to me, but some seem to think it's Shaw because from that perspective the body doesn't look huge.
I don't think it's the latter, though. I think it's the former.
Quote from: Pvt. Himmel on Feb 28, 2017, 11:55:15 PM
Wait.... So they show Shaws body??
- No. I think it's being incorrectly identified.
Where is this trailer???
Quote from: hfeldhaus on Feb 28, 2017, 11:59:23 PM
Quote from: nanison on Feb 28, 2017, 11:54:42 PM
Quote from: hfeldhaus on Feb 28, 2017, 11:36:28 PM
Quote from: nanison on Feb 28, 2017, 11:33:34 PM
Why are all of you going crazy?
I don't like that we see the alien stalk it's prey. To make tension it should be the other way round. It should focus on the character being stalked without the audience knowing where the creature might or might not pop out.
What we see is not horror but action. Sure it looks fun but not intense to me...
So you essentially mean jump scares. A character walking down a corridor and we're all just waiting for something to jump out?
That's what worked in "Alien" the greatest horror movie of all time. Less is more for horror.
And you're still likely to get those moments with this film. Just don't go dismissing the horror of the film because of one trailer sequence.
Well said.. I wanted to write the same thing in response to nanison .
You know I'm already wondering what the next film's plot will be because we have had the same plots now for the third time, Scott surely can't get away with doing it a fourth time, right?
Again, I said IF Shaw is alive. She could very much be dead for all we know.
Quote from: nanison on Mar 01, 2017, 12:00:51 AM
You know I'm already wondering what the next film's plot will be because we have had the same plots now for the third time, Scott surely can't get away with doing it a fourth time, right?
Well in the past when they've changed up the basic plot structure it hasn't fared all that well, so I'm fine with this.
Quote from: Jenga on Feb 28, 2017, 11:59:42 PM
Quote from: Pvt. Himmel on Feb 28, 2017, 11:55:15 PM
Wait.... So they show Shaws body??
- No. I think it's being incorrectly identified.
No one has indentified it, just speculation, and my wishes.
I hated Shaw, I'd take any crew member of the Betty than her.
Spoiler
Yes, even Call
Quote from: nanison on Mar 01, 2017, 12:00:51 AM
You know I'm already wondering what the next film's plot will be because we have had the same plots now for the third time, Scott surely can't get away with doing it a fourth time, right?
SO you claim that this movie will be almost identical to all previous Alien movies + Prometheus...
Wait until we all see it and then we could comment... ;) :)
The one thing I really hated was in Prometheus was Charlize Theron dying. You know because she is so hot and all. :-*
Quote from: Enoch on Mar 01, 2017, 12:04:42 AM
Quote from: nanison on Mar 01, 2017, 12:00:51 AM
You know I'm already wondering what the next film's plot will be because we have had the same plots now for the third time, Scott surely can't get away with doing it a fourth time, right?
SO you claim that this movie will be almost identical to all previous Alien movies + Prometheus...
Wait until we all see it and then we could comment... ;) :)
Well ok, agreed but still you have to admit it doesn't look like it'll be much different... I guess I'm a bit disappointed that nothing is done with the engineers.
Spoiler
I would pretty much bet it's an engineer by the look of the clothes and the baldness of the head.
That and the fact, the room is entirely FILLED with Engineer anatomy art.
I personally think this is going to be a sort of retelling of Prometheus in that it'll be a retake on some of the earlier concepts that were originally devised for it when it had Alien in the title.
Somebody PM the trailer please. i'm dying right here!!
Anyone have a link to the trailer?
Also the dogtags do say Dr E Shaw on them.
Quote from: OmarVel1692 on Mar 01, 2017, 12:07:14 AM
Somebody PM the trailer please. i'm dying right here!!
Me too... And is this from the trailer???
Spoiler
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi68.tinypic.com%2Fzveg5g.png&hash=1ea1a11fc1ed76b5f44c4088794cdb16c9394a93)
For everybody asking a link to the trailer. I'm very sorry to inform you that you blew your chance. It won't be seen online again until late april. I've got my sources...
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Mar 01, 2017, 12:08:14 AM
Also the dogtags do say Dr E Shaw on them.
And umm who said first that it was??? :)
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Mar 01, 2017, 12:07:00 AM
I personally think this is going to be a sort of retelling of Prometheus in that it'll be a retake on some of the earlier concepts that were originally devised for it when it had Alien in the title.
Do you like it, Corporal?
I (everyone) want to hear your opinion. Its the right time for one podcast, dont you think? :) :D
Quote from: Pvt. Himmel on Mar 01, 2017, 12:11:03 AM
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Mar 01, 2017, 12:08:14 AM
Also the dogtags do say Dr E Shaw on them.
And umm who said first that it was??? :)
You did. ;D :-*
Quote from: nanison on Mar 01, 2017, 12:10:31 AM
For everybody asking a link to the trailer. I'm very sorry to inform you that you blew your chance. It won't be seen online again until late april. I've got my sources...
obviously that isn't true, the trailer it's coming tomorrow...but I WANTED TO SEE IT NOW :'(
Quote from: nanison on Mar 01, 2017, 12:10:31 AM
For everybody asking a link to the trailer. I'm very sorry to inform you that you blew your chance. It won't be seen online again until late april. I've got my sources...
That's just cruel to mess with people like that. It's coming out tomorrow.
I created some gifs of the creatures in the trailer, enjoy...
Spoiler
(https://s13.postimg.org/ppu1ri4cn/Neomorph.gif)
(https://s13.postimg.org/cmyf88e4n/Xenomorph1.gif)
(https://s13.postimg.org/ha4ha01hj/Xenomorph2.gif)
(https://s13.postimg.org/bzziiph8n/Xenomorph3.gif)
Quote from: Pvt. Himmel on Mar 01, 2017, 12:10:04 AM
Quote from: OmarVel1692 on Mar 01, 2017, 12:07:14 AM
Somebody PM the trailer please. i'm dying right here!!
Me too... And is this from the trailer???
Spoiler
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi68.tinypic.com%2Fzveg5g.png&hash=1ea1a11fc1ed76b5f44c4088794cdb16c9394a93)
I'll PM you. And that is from the trailer.
I should mention that if I'm asked to stop PMing people the trailer I will stop.
Quote from: Jenga on Mar 01, 2017, 12:13:43 AM
Quote from: nanison on Mar 01, 2017, 12:10:31 AM
For everybody asking a link to the trailer. I'm very sorry to inform you that you blew your chance. It won't be seen online again until late april. I've got my sources...
That's just cruel to mess with people like that. It's coming out tomorrow.
I know ;D ;D ;D
Quote from: Anthony on Mar 01, 2017, 12:14:38 AM
Quote from: Pvt. Himmel on Mar 01, 2017, 12:10:04 AM
Quote from: OmarVel1692 on Mar 01, 2017, 12:07:14 AM
Somebody PM the trailer please. i'm dying right here!!
Me too... And is this from the trailer???
Spoiler
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi68.tinypic.com%2Fzveg5g.png&hash=1ea1a11fc1ed76b5f44c4088794cdb16c9394a93)
I'll PM you. And that is from the trailer.
I should mention that if I'm asked to stop PMing people the trailer I will stop.
Me too please!
Aye, it'd be best if folk stop PMing the trailer around now.
f**k yeah, thank God they didnt wait a lot for this because i didnt like the sneak peak
can someone please post again the trailer and/or xenomorphs shots from the trailer? it seems they are being censored, here is one i could save http://s13.postimg.org/cmyf88e4n/Xenomorph1.gif
Quote from: Anthony on Mar 01, 2017, 12:14:38 AM
Quote from: Pvt. Himmel on Mar 01, 2017, 12:10:04 AM
Quote from: OmarVel1692 on Mar 01, 2017, 12:07:14 AM
Somebody PM the trailer please. i'm dying right here!!
Me too... And is this from the trailer???
Spoiler
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi68.tinypic.com%2Fzveg5g.png&hash=1ea1a11fc1ed76b5f44c4088794cdb16c9394a93)
I'll PM you. And that is from the trailer.
I should mention that if I'm asked to stop PMing people the trailer I will stop.
Anthony you partypooper!!!! ;)
I'll stop Hicks. Sorry about that.
Quote from: nanison on Mar 01, 2017, 12:17:39 AM
Quote from: Anthony on Mar 01, 2017, 12:14:38 AM
Quote from: Pvt. Himmel on Mar 01, 2017, 12:10:04 AM
Quote from: OmarVel1692 on Mar 01, 2017, 12:07:14 AM
Somebody PM the trailer please. i'm dying right here!!
Me too... And is this from the trailer???
Spoiler
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi68.tinypic.com%2Fzveg5g.png&hash=1ea1a11fc1ed76b5f44c4088794cdb16c9394a93)
I'll PM you. And that is from the trailer.
I should mention that if I'm asked to stop PMing people the trailer I will stop.
Anthony you partypooper!!!! ;)
Hicks asked politely that I'd stop like people asked to see the trailer. Just how I roll.
In the gif of the creature racing through the red corridoor just as it leaps towards the screen you can totally see the skull beneath the carapace.
Quote from: davo1980 on Mar 01, 2017, 12:14:28 AM
I created some gifs of the creatures in the trailer, enjoy...
Spoiler
(https://s13.postimg.org/ppu1ri4cn/Neomorph.gif)
(https://s13.postimg.org/cmyf88e4n/Xenomorph1.gif)
(https://s13.postimg.org/ha4ha01hj/Xenomorph2.gif)
(https://s13.postimg.org/bzziiph8n/Xenomorph3.gif)
Awesome, thanks! It was tough to make out the Neomorph. I guess they are trying to keep that one (somewhat) under wraps.
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Mar 01, 2017, 12:16:50 AM
Aye, it'd be best if folk stop PMing the trailer around now.
Of course this after you've seen it yourself like what... 100 times. :laugh:
Quote from: Anthony on Mar 01, 2017, 12:17:53 AM
I'll stop Hicks. Sorry about that.
Quote from: nanison on Mar 01, 2017, 12:17:39 AM
Quote from: Anthony on Mar 01, 2017, 12:14:38 AM
Quote from: Pvt. Himmel on Mar 01, 2017, 12:10:04 AM
Quote from: OmarVel1692 on Mar 01, 2017, 12:07:14 AM
Somebody PM the trailer please. i'm dying right here!!
Me too... And is this from the trailer???
Spoiler
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi68.tinypic.com%2Fzveg5g.png&hash=1ea1a11fc1ed76b5f44c4088794cdb16c9394a93)
I'll PM you. And that is from the trailer.
I should mention that if I'm asked to stop PMing people the trailer I will stop.
Anthony you partypooper!!!! ;)
Hicks asked politely that I'd stop like people asked to see the trailer. Just how I roll.
Good, you'll get your wings when times up!
Quote from: hfeldhaus on Feb 28, 2017, 11:05:15 PM
The music is a lot better. Its amazing around the Cudrup Facehugger scene. Really built it up.
This I completely agree with. I hated the music in the first trailer so much I ended up watching it without the volume up.
I'm not sure what i think of this still. Maybe I'm the odd one out. Looking at this, I just keep going "I'd rather have Prometheus 2". Prometheus glaring flaws (there are many) aside at least tried to do something different. This as I have stated before is the "Island of Dr Moreau" Alien film and I am just not sure that is a direction I really wanted to end up going in. But people around here seem excited and that is cool, it's not like I won't go see it. Just I might not rush to the theatre.
Also, I'm in Canada, unless i go dark what isn't spoiled for me will be by the time it's released in NA (And here we were all thinking the france date was a misprint on IMDB or a world premier sort of thing). So I will have a better idea of how excited to get for it. I also stand by my rotten tomatos predictions still.
(https://i.imgur.com/O1Sfl40.jpg)
This is a lot of dead Engineers... :)
If that is an Engineer on the table then where the hell did David get it?
Quote from: Pvt. Himmel on Mar 01, 2017, 12:21:08 AM
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Mar 01, 2017, 12:16:50 AM
Aye, it'd be best if folk stop PMing the trailer around now.
Of course this after you've seen it yourself like what... 100 times. :laugh:
I'm pretty sure it's because he doesn't have time to babysit you all and might want to go to bed clean rather than waking up with a red letter from fox and see the mess on the forum? :D
The Covenant colonisation feels like a bit of a shoe-horned way of getting a body count, but it does look bloody exciting. What are the odds of them landing on the same planet as David, too? :laugh: However, I think the real story lies with David - the only continuation of Prometheus - and where they can ultimately take it. It feels like a bit of a shame when you think about it, because you can tell the studio wants to appeal to fans, but the bigger vision and what's been instigated in Prometheus may suffer for it. But we'll see.
But man, this trailer is a lot to take in - so many quick cuts. I really liked it. But I do agree some CGI looked a little off. Also, the green laser sights reminded me of AvP, which kinda irked me... But it definitely was a better trailer overall.
huh, people commenting they seen it, someone one even posted gifs of the Xenomorphs shots here, now it seems the comment was deleted, can someone give an explanation? here it was that comment http://www.avpgalaxy.net/2017/02/28/new-alien-covenant-trailer-coming-tomorrow/
Did you guys know the film is called Osmi putnik: Saveznik in Serbia!
Quote from: Le Celticant on Mar 01, 2017, 12:25:21 AM
Quote from: Pvt. Himmel on Mar 01, 2017, 12:21:08 AM
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Mar 01, 2017, 12:16:50 AM
Aye, it'd be best if folk stop PMing the trailer around now.
Of course this after you've seen it yourself like what... 100 times. :laugh:
I'm pretty sure it's because he doesn't have time to babysit you all and might want to go to bed clean rather than waking up with a red letter from fox and see the mess on the forum? :D
Yeah, let's not get too greedy guys. Fox can still blacklist this place, and we don't want to cause that.
Goddamn it. I think I missed out on all of the early release action... f**k me.
Is there also a red band version of this coming out tomorrow?
Quote from: hfeldhaus on Mar 01, 2017, 12:29:28 AM
Is there also a red band version of this coming out tomorrow?
To what purpose? Spoil all the deaths in the film?
Do you guys now think that those leaks were not 100% true? ???
Quote from: D88M on Mar 01, 2017, 12:26:00 AM
huh, people commenting they seen it, someone one even posted gifs of the Xenomorphs shots here, now it seems the comment was deleted, can someone give an explanation? here it was that comment http://www.avpgalaxy.net/2017/02/28/new-alien-covenant-trailer-coming-tomorrow/
It leaked early. Fox have asked that everything from it be removed for the time being. It'll be up soon enough. :)
Quote from: hfeldhaus on Mar 01, 2017, 12:29:28 AM
Is there also a red band version of this coming out tomorrow?
Unknown which version we'll get online. If they follow Logan's pattern, it'll be both.
Quote from: Enoch on Mar 01, 2017, 12:31:32 AM
Do you guys now think that those leaks were not 100% true? ???
What makes you say that? Which leaks?
Quote from: Enoch on Mar 01, 2017, 12:31:32 AM
Do you guys now think that those leaks were not 100% true? ???
Which ones?
Quote from: whiterabbit on Mar 01, 2017, 12:29:04 AM
Goddamn it. I think I missed out on all of the early release action... f**k me.
Me too but I dont think the wait will be too painful
Quote from: Le Celticant on Mar 01, 2017, 12:25:21 AM
Quote from: Pvt. Himmel on Mar 01, 2017, 12:21:08 AM
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Mar 01, 2017, 12:16:50 AM
Aye, it'd be best if folk stop PMing the trailer around now.
Of course this after you've seen it yourself like what... 100 times. :laugh:
I'm pretty sure it's because he doesn't have time to babysit you all and might want to go to bed clean rather than waking up with a red letter from fox and see the mess on the forum? :D
Lol!! :laugh:
Quote from: Le Celticant on Mar 01, 2017, 12:31:16 AM
Quote from: hfeldhaus on Mar 01, 2017, 12:29:28 AM
Is there also a red band version of this coming out tomorrow?
To what purpose? Spoil all the deaths in the film?
That was what I was thinking. This was enough. I was just inquiring.
Quote from: D88M on Mar 01, 2017, 12:26:00 AM
huh, people commenting they seen it, someone one even posted gifs of the Xenomorphs shots here, now it seems the comment was deleted, can someone give an explanation? here it was that comment http://www.avpgalaxy.net/2017/02/28/new-alien-covenant-trailer-coming-tomorrow/
Could have been my gif post- I posted it before I realised Hicks had moved the discussion here, so deleted it - You can find those gifs reposted earlier in this thread.
Quote from: Enoch on Mar 01, 2017, 12:31:32 AM
Do you guys now think that those leaks were not 100% true? ???
Yeah what makes you say that?
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Mar 01, 2017, 12:32:27 AM
It leaked early. Fox have asked that everything from it be removed for the time being. It'll be up soon enough. :)
Hope it will released soon, can´t wait for it and don´t want to see it till released officially.
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Mar 01, 2017, 12:32:27 AM
What makes you say that? Which leaks?
The description of Crudup's death... No one even mentioned the details of that Xeno fight outside of the ship...
The ship is flying straight above the Engineer city. Some other minor details. But primarily the description of Crudup's death.
Quote from: Enoch on Mar 01, 2017, 12:31:32 AM
Do you guys now think that those leaks were not 100% true? ???
Even if they were let's not forget the leaks were pre-reshoots, and also let's keep in mind that an outline of the movie doesn't make the movie. Visuals, the score, the acting, the directing, the editing - and sure, the story. All that combined is what will make the movie. Based on the leaks we could still have a great movie, just like this trailer proves. We could also have a bad one, but the leaks are not enough to pass judgement on the movie. Even though I do hope the story has been slightly altered post-leaks... one can dream ;D
Quote from: Enoch on Mar 01, 2017, 12:36:17 AM
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Mar 01, 2017, 12:32:27 AM
What makes you say that? Which leaks?
The description of Crudup's death... No one even mentioned the details of that Xeno fight outside of the ship...
The ship is flying straight above the Engineer city. Some other minor details. But primarily the description of Crudup's death.
What about Crudup's death?
those gifs are great, i love them, i will go search for the trailer and if i find it you can PM me for a link, i will let them know
Quote from: Beardomorph on Mar 01, 2017, 12:38:03 AM
Quote from: Enoch on Mar 01, 2017, 12:31:32 AM
Do you guys now think that those leaks were not 100% true? ???
Even if they were let's not forget the leaks were pre-reshoots, and also let's keep in mind that an outline of the movie doesn't make the movie. Visuals, the score, the acting, the directing, the editing - and sure, the story. All that combined is what will make the movie. Based on the leaks we could still have a great movie, just like this trailer proves. We could also have a bad one, but the leaks are not enough to pass judgement on the movie. Even though I do hope the story has been slightly altered post-leaks... one can dream ;D
Thats true... I cant contradict.
Absolutely blown away by the trailer. This gave me chills
*Image removed. Hicks.
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Mar 01, 2017, 12:39:00 AM
What about Crudup's death?
Spoiler
Leaks said he died while someone tried to detach the facehugger from his face, but in trailer
its obvious he died from chestburster.
That was great trailer. 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8)
Stop spoiling please, can´t stop doing it?, This is not the first time you do it and im starting to think you don´t care for other fans.
What are you doing in this thread then... :P ???
You are talking about the leaked info, there is a post for it, not this one.
Can someone pm me the trailer? Thanks
Quote from: Enoch on Mar 01, 2017, 12:41:02 AM
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Mar 01, 2017, 12:39:00 AM
What about Crudup's death?
Spoiler
Leaks said he died while someone tried to detach the facehugger from his face, but in trailer
its obvious he died from chestburster.
I remember that but it was just another member suggesting that, it wasn't part of the leaks.
Quote from: John Doe on Mar 01, 2017, 12:45:23 AM
You are talking about the leaked info, there is a post for it, not this one.
The leaked info is in the trailer and its now proved that
particular leak was not correct. :)
Please re-read previous posts... I didnt spoil anything this time.
Use spoiler tags, Enoch. It's common courtesy. Please don't make me ask again.
so the leak is only on low quality?
Quote from: D88M on Mar 01, 2017, 12:47:49 AM
so the leak is only on low quality?
I dont know, I just ask the questions. Other "smart people" answer them
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Mar 01, 2017, 12:47:18 AM
Use spoiler tags, Enoch. It's common curtesy. Please don't make me ask again.
Spoiler tags for what? ???
Spoiler
We can see his death in trailer, man...
can you stop the spoilers? put a damn spoiler tag bros
Quote from: Ragonk_Force on Mar 01, 2017, 12:40:20 AM
Absolutely blown away by the trailer. This gave me chills
*Image removed. Hicks.
I really love that design. It's not Giger biomechanical, but it is still way better than all the designs after the original 1979 film. It even looks good in broad daylight and doesn't look like a man in a suit at all. Love the crabwalk pose as well.
Quote from: Enoch on Mar 01, 2017, 12:48:37 AM
Spoiler tags for what? ???
Spoiler tags for story specifics. The trailer is now offline and not to be shared. You mentioned details that people didn't know. It's a simple courtesy to your fellow members who didn't know those details or see the trailer. It's not a hard concept to grasp. Please show some respect to your fellow members.
Quote from: Le Celticant on Feb 28, 2017, 11:04:56 PM
I don't like it, beside the color grading which I find fantastic.
It sounds like a remake of Alien and Prometheus. Already the third film telling the same story again. What a waste.
I stand with the very first impression I had since the first time I saw prometheus.
This is exactly a remake of AVP films somehow with decent budget this time but still the same plate.
LOL
The trailer was good (quality was low, the one I managed to find). I hope they knew (Ridley esp) what they are doing/going to do with this film, unlike Prometheus*.
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Mar 01, 2017, 12:53:53 AM
Spoiler tags for story specifics. The trailer is now offline and not to be shared. You mentioned details that people didn't know. It's a simple courtesy to your fellow members who didn't know those details or see the trailer. It's not a hard concept to grasp. Please show some respect to your fellow members.
This is a wrong place for those who do not want to be spoiled...
We are all spoiled, Hicks. ;) ;D
And indeed, I use and will continue to use spoiler tags in appropriate threads.
This one is called Green Band Trailer Released Early, so its easy to assume its about the trailer footage,
so why to use spoiler tags for trailer specifics? (this is rhetorical question). Just to be sure, I could very well use
spoiler tags for all my posts...
Guess I missed the leak but I'm excited by all of your reactions, so I can wait, ah, Alien is back baby. 8)
Quote from: Scorpio on Mar 01, 2017, 12:52:18 AM
Quote from: Ragonk_Force on Mar 01, 2017, 12:40:20 AM
Absolutely blown away by the trailer. This gave me chills
*Image removed. Hicks.
I really love that design. It's not Giger biomechanical, but it is still way better than all the designs after the original 1979 film. It even looks good in broad daylight and doesn't look like a man in a suit at all. Love the crabwalk pose as well.
A lot seems borrowed on the attitude / animation from Alien³
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.ecranlarge.com%2Fuploads%2Fimage%2F000%2F962%2Fphoto-alien-3-giger-962294.jpg&hash=94968580bac4b1dbc2e81861aefa260fd096990b)
Concerning the design, they've taken the very very very thin legs.
I still think this is Giger masterpiece, I'm so sad to have never seen it in an actual movie.
Quote from: Enoch on Mar 01, 2017, 12:55:57 AM
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Mar 01, 2017, 12:53:53 AM
Spoiler tags for story specifics. The trailer is now offline and not to be shared. You mentioned details that people didn't know. It's a simple courtesy to your fellow members who didn't know those details or see the trailer. It's not a hard concept to grasp. Please show some respect to your fellow members.
This is a wrong place for those who do not want to be spoiled...
We are all spoiled, Hicks. ;) ;D
And indeed, I use spoiler tags in appropriate threads.
This one is called Green Band Trailer Released Early, so its easy to assume its about the trailer footage,
so why to use spoiler tags for trailer specifics? (this is rhetorical question).
Where's the red band??
I actually hope there is not a red band. It would do nothing but show character deaths. If the trailer sucked, I would have wanted a RB but I think we can all agree the GB was awesome and enough footage to hold us off till may.
Lol, someone followed me on Twitter just for the trailer.
I'm sure the CGI will look great, but I hope they also used a good deal of practical effects for the Xenomorph and the Neomorphs.
Quote from: salomonj on Mar 01, 2017, 12:59:47 AM
I actually hope there is not a red band. It would do nothing but show character deaths. If the trailer sucked, I would have wanted a RB but I think we can all agree the GB was awesome and enough footage to hold us off till may.
Don't bet on it, just like Prometheus they gonna spoil the entire film before release.
You already have half of the cast's deaths now with two trailers.
And you'll likely cry when they release their 30sec TV spot spoiling you all:
-Alien Mambo Acrobatic !
-Death Scene !
-Romance & Sex Scene !
-Plot rhetorical self question in a voice over !
-Walter & David, for the love of robots !
The xenomorph can move it dorsal tubes now !!!!! Oh god
Holy shit they showed everything and it looked f**king great. :laugh:
Spoiler
Some nice shots. On the sci-fi front, i liked the one with David/the hooded figure going towards the city, with all the dead/petrified forms. It's the kind of awe-inducing mystery and imagery I'm fond of.
The alien in broad daylight is a difficult thing to tackle. The trailer shows a creature whose energy makes up for the loss of that peculiar power that a creature that often stays in the shadows has.
It looks different from the original creature, but other elements indicate it's not exactly the same brand, the precise species from Alien (else, why different "eggs" ?).
I wonder about the other aspect of the movie : what will we learn about the Engineers, etc. ?
Quote from: Anthony on Mar 01, 2017, 01:00:55 AM
Lol, someone followed me on Twitter just for the trailer.
Trailer is still there... Lol
link?
Quote from: OmarVel1692 on Mar 01, 2017, 01:04:05 AM
The xenomorph can move it dorsal tubes now !!!!! Oh god
I think it could in alien Resurrection or avp aswell. The xenomorph looks like a mixture of the original, alien 3 and resurrection.
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi64.tinypic.com%2F2vs4wwp.png&hash=a9de71dfecde69bba74d73a62a363969ebf7a67e)
IDK what you mean Himmel. My link doesn't work.
Hilarious that some of you are still bitching about this. What would make you happy? What could you possibly want that isn't in this trailer?
The movie says that to get to paradise you first have to start in hell... trying looking in the hell of the internet. :P
Spoiler
By hell I mean 4chan.
f**k the shot of David's Lair... the hell is that droid doing in there! This could be the most horrifying movie ever if it is what I think it is.
Come on, FOX... just release it!
Quote from: OmarVel1692 on Mar 01, 2017, 01:08:23 AM
link?
Taken down... Someone here must have snitched. :laugh:
Quote from: OmarVel1692 on Mar 01, 2017, 01:08:23 AM
link?
No link. Comes out in the morning/afternoon depending on your timezone though.
Quote from: whiterabbit on Mar 01, 2017, 01:12:01 AM
The movie says that to get to paradise you first have to start in hell... trying looking in the hell of the internet. :P
Spoiler
By hell I mean 4chan.
f**k the shot of David's Lair... the hell is that droid doing in there! This could be the most horrifying movie ever if it is what I think it is.
And what do you think it is, my friend?
Better trailer than the last one.
Looks like a decent little scifi/horror flick.
No biomechanics in the new xeno.. disappointing. :-\
Quote from: Enoch on Mar 01, 2017, 01:13:24 AM
Quote from: whiterabbit on Mar 01, 2017, 01:12:01 AM
The movie says that to get to paradise you first have to start in hell... trying looking in the hell of the internet. :P
Spoiler
By hell I mean 4chan.
f**k the shot of David's Lair... the hell is that droid doing in there! This could be the most horrifying movie ever if it is what I think it is.
And what do you think it is, my friend?
The dudes torturing the hell out of a certain someone...
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Also I think David has an engineer body. Hard to tell though I swear the part with the dangling head piece, that looks like an engineer. Although it's completely out of focus.
Also there is more than one face huger attack... so does that mean another xeno later?
Quote from: skhellter on Mar 01, 2017, 01:16:51 AM
Better trailer than the last one.
Looks like a decent little scifi/horror flick.
No biomechanics in the new xeno.. disappointing. :-\
When you think about it a bit... it can just have a biomechanoid look but xeno could never be actually biomechanoid...
it seems this will be a total hellish journey for our protagonists, full of suspense, anguish, death, it will be a very terrifying movie, and the sci-fi part looks great too, i really like the mix of Alien/Prometheus aestethic and i am sure now they will gave us a good answer to Shaw tough i would have liked a whole sequel with her, but whatever, Scott knows what he is doing, also it seems liek teh perfect director for an AVP movie
Quote from: HSEengineer on Mar 01, 2017, 01:19:10 AM
Hey, everyone! Here's a working link for the trailer, from a Brazillian website:
https://omelete.uol.com.br/filmes/noticia/alien-covenant-novo-trailer-mostra-novo-ataque-xenomorfo/
Enjoy!!
huh, really appreciated bro, but Fox and the administrators are gonna like that, it is an illegal leak...
Quote from: HSEengineer on Mar 01, 2017, 01:19:10 AM
Hey, everyone! Here's a working link for the trailer, from a Brazillian website:
Don't do that man! You're going to get banned! :P
Better than the first trailer.
Alien effects are hopefully far from finished.
https://twitter.com/AlienAnthology/status/836749013760122880
argh, sorry! Didn`t know about that! :-\
Delete it now. :P
The effects aren't finished yet, I figure the trailer was from footage 2-3 months ago.
Damn it all to hell!!!! I was at work and now everything is on lock down mode. I sooooo wanna click on spoiler tags.... it physically hurts me to scroll past em. Grrr!!!! Fox needs to just release the trailer early. Damage is already done so why keep it locked up?
It's up officially now.
https://twitter.com/AlienAnthology/status/836749013760122880
Quote from: whiterabbit on Mar 01, 2017, 01:28:07 AM
Delete it now. :P
The effects aren't finished yet, I figure the trailer was from footage 2-3 months ago.
Deleted! thanks for the advice.
Quote from: SiL on Mar 01, 2017, 01:25:55 AM
Better than the first trailer.
Alien effects are hopefully far from finished.
i am sure of it, if you look closely, that scene where that histerical girl that reminds me of Lambert locks up the couple, there is a shot with her running and the window behind her crashing like the Neomorph is coming out, but there is nothing, so i am sure is far from finished, it also happened with Avengers trailers by example, where the Hulk was supposed to be, besides, the effects do look a little bit unfinished
edit: this trailer shows enough, no need for a red band, is gonna show too much
Quote from: Enoch on Mar 01, 2017, 01:19:00 AM
When you think about it a bit... it can just have a biomechanoid look but xeno could never be actually biomechanoid...
ADI chaps have the theory that the Xeno adapts somewhat to the setting where it develops.
Spaceship - biomechanics
Prison with rust coloured walls - sepia tone, less biomech aspects....
etc.
The xeno on this film grows inside a citadel/temple of sorts..
Maybe Ridley is co-opting that idea. ???
Judging from the trailer, do you guys think A:C is gonna be more horror like Alien of more action like Aliens? To me it looks like a bit of both.
Quote from: bobcunk on Mar 01, 2017, 01:09:22 AM
Quote from: OmarVel1692 on Mar 01, 2017, 01:04:05 AM
The xenomorph can move it dorsal tubes now !!!!! Oh god
I think it could in alien Resurrection or avp aswell. The xenomorph looks like a mixture of the original, alien 3 and resurrection.
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Now THAT is a mother f**king ALIEN!
Trailer was way better than the first. Can't wait.
Yay! Everyone wins!
Trailer looks great. Horrifying and fun. Looks like this is going to be more like Aliens than Alien.
Thank you Hicks. I am a happy camper now. 😎
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Mar 01, 2017, 01:29:11 AM
It's up officially now.
https://twitter.com/AlienAnthology/status/836749013760122880
Will there be a redband as well?
Anyone have a pic of Davids lair?
I guess Aliens have the same problems with glass that birds and insects do.
lol.
-Windebieste.
OMG! I'm VERY happy with this trailer! Roll on May 12th
Oh man, I'm so happy right now. It's going to be a great movie. Mix between Alien, Aliens and Prometheus.
It's so cool seeing the aliens in that environment.
That was magnificent. Zero complaints here.
Now that it is officially back up can we get those screencaps back?
YEEEEEEEEEEAAAAAAAAAAAHHHH! THAT WAS FREAKING AWESOME!!!
Im glad Fox scrambled and got this out, I was starting to see low res vids pop up
Wow that was a great trailer! My excitement level just went up a few notches. Can't wait to see this.
So much better than the first.
...
My sternum is ready.
they had to release it lol, the leak was spilling everywhere, good and smart choice, now we can watch it on hd! i dont think i will watch the redband, this already shows enough
edit: please someone tell me "The Last Supper" is not gonna be in the mvoie, or at least that they will show a better version without the fakebuster and choppy editing
Not biomechanical enough for my tastes. :(
Quote from: D88M on Mar 01, 2017, 01:58:36 AMi dont think i will watch the redband, this already shows enough
Yes, I'm out at this point. See you in the aisles! ;D
1:55 WAT THE F#$&
Quote from: D88M on Mar 01, 2017, 01:58:36 AM
they had to release it lol, the leak was spilling everywhere, good and smart choice, now we can watch it on hd! i dont think i will watch the redband, this already shows enough
When will the redband be out?
Quote from: salomonj on Mar 01, 2017, 01:59:53 AM
Quote from: D88M on Mar 01, 2017, 01:58:36 AM
they had to release it lol, the leak was spilling everywhere, good and smart choice, now we can watch it on hd! i dont think i will watch the redband, this already shows enough
When will the redband be out?
i guess tomorrow? that is what they were saying, this trailer was also supposed to be out tomorrow but the leak was too much to handle it seems, i am guessing the redband will be the same but with gore shots, i will pass, i am sure only Walter/David, Daniels and maybe the guy with cowboy hat will survive, but i still dont wanna know
Quote from: salomonj on Mar 01, 2017, 01:59:53 AM
Quote from: D88M on Mar 01, 2017, 01:58:36 AM
they had to release it lol, the leak was spilling everywhere, good and smart choice, now we can watch it on hd! i dont think i will watch the redband, this already shows enough
When will the redband be out?
That was the first trailer...
I'm ok not seeing a red band trailer. This trailer is excellent in every way. I am gonna see this in IMAX and the only other movies I have done that with was Matrix Reloaded and The Dark Knight. May 19th needs to get here NOW!!
As an aspiring creature designer and ultra serious sculptor/designer I have the following notes on the Alien:
-This is definitely not the big chap from the first film or even the tweaked version from Alien Isolation. This is an all new version that is very similar to the original but much less mechanical and much more muscular/semi-organic than the all but the Alien Resurrection/AVP design.
-Strangely the head looks closest to the "big chap" from Alien 1979 but grafted onto this body.
-I like that you can clearly see that they went with digitgrade (animal-like) hind legs. Alien Isolation really made a believer out of me because it still felt totally in line with the original alien's feel while breaking the man in a suit illusion.
-I don't like that the teeth are smaller and more human shaped (kind of like the original promo artwork for isolation and all of the models on Colonial Marines) but it will have to do.
-The fingers are combined like warriors from Alien Resurrection onward rather than two sets of fused fingers like in Aliens/Alien 3 or grouped but separate fingers like in Alien.
-I personally thing they are showing too much of the creature putting it on a ship in overcast daylight but it is animated beautifully (very creepy and menacing). Yes it could be more photo-real but the actual movements are looking very strong - especially in that outstanding running in the red tunnel sequence. That looks downright real! Very excited about the Alien.
-The neomorphs are looking too bland/light/fleshy in my opinion. Hopefully they look more like Carlos Huante's baluga head than this in the final feature. (I wouldn't normally think that they'd change but after Fifield in Prometheus, all bets are off.
-As other have pointed out, the eggs are clearly different as well so I think there is a conscious choice going on here to make these very similar but not the EXACT model of alien seen in the previous movies. - That said, the facehuggers look like they are trying to replicate them exactly.
-As Whiterabbit pointed out, this alien MAY not have the inner mouth. That said, I don't think it using the considerable extra power behind it's chin/full head to crack the glass is any confirmation of this. I think the thing I like most about the window cracking scene is how it feels more intelligent and aggressive than just clawing at the window which is what I thought we would get.
Quote from: SiL on Mar 01, 2017, 02:04:29 AM
Quote from: salomonj on Mar 01, 2017, 01:59:53 AM
Quote from: D88M on Mar 01, 2017, 01:58:36 AM
they had to release it lol, the leak was spilling everywhere, good and smart choice, now we can watch it on hd! i dont think i will watch the redband, this already shows enough
When will the redband be out?
That was the first trailer...
I think there's supposed to be a RB of this trailer.
Yeah, SiL! Pay attention!! :P
Honestly, I've no idea guys. With Logan, maybe? I'd imagine it gets online at some point.
I'm taking it that there's no little mouth? ???
Looks pretty good to me.
The neo's look like they retain a bit of the ol' Deacon in em. Was not a big fan of that guy, but i'm glad from a continuity standpoint that they retained some of that look and feel.
Quote from: whiterabbit on Mar 01, 2017, 02:09:26 AM
I'm taking it that there's no little mouth? ???
- Oh god! That would be crazy! you may be right!
BRING!!!!! IT!! ON!! Am buzzing for this instalment 😵
Quote from: whiterabbit on Mar 01, 2017, 02:09:26 AM
I'm taking it that there's no little mouth? ???
I hope there's a little mouth.
Looks like the makings of a great Alien movie! Can't wait.
Reminding me of the Red Dwarf Episode 'Rimmerworld'.
Are the shots of Daniels' speech the same as the Last Supper prologue? She does have that extra line.
Is there an analogous scene in the movie where she gives a speech similar to the prologue, but in the context of the actual events of the film?
Quote from: salomonj on Mar 01, 2017, 02:13:23 AM
Quote from: whiterabbit on Mar 01, 2017, 02:09:26 AM
I'm taking it that there's no little mouth? ???
I hope there's a little mouth.
I'd assume it would use it's mouth to bust open the window but instead it's using it's head. That's practically the only thing left out of the trailer.
Someone or something is having a bad day on the table down there...
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I like Daniel's speech. Waterston really sells it.
Now that's how you do a trailer, that shot of David walking through all those dead engineer corpses,unsettling but fascinating too. I'm unsure if thats Noomis hand being held, didn't she take her ring off in prometheus? if so that is not shaw because that individual has a ring on their finger.
Quote from: whiterabbit on Mar 01, 2017, 02:09:26 AM
I'm taking it that there's no little mouth? ???
Would be strange for it not to have a second mouth. The Deacon's mouth had a similar two jawed thing going as well (if not a second little mouth).
(https://s13.postimg.org/cmyf88e4n/Xenomorph1.gif)
(https://artfiles.alphacoders.com/615/thumb-61529.jpg)
God, I love that shot from the trailer.
Quote from: Wobblyboddle77 on Mar 01, 2017, 02:21:19 AM
Now that's how you do a trailer, that shot of David walking through all those dead engineer corpses,unsettling but fascinating too. I'm unsure if thats Noomis hand being held, didn't she take her ring off in prometheus? if so that is not shaw because that individual has a ring on their finger.
That's not Shaw's hand. Damien Bachir's character is holding
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his husband's bloody hand presumably. There's emphasis on each's wedding ring
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[SPOILERS]Only complaint was the line "first large scale colony mission". Between this movie and Prometheus, early space faring humanity has had some very serious, expensive, mysterious, f**kups with space travel. I hope there's a compelling reason why this 'first massive colony mission' lands on this planet and gets embroiled in all this mess.[/SPOILERS]
Everything looks good. I am not that impressed with how they made the aliens cgi. The graphics of the neomorph almost look like the old graphics used for the creature in splice. The cgi for the xenomorph almost resemble those you used for the one in alien isolation. I feel that they could have easily put a tall or (if this the young neomorph) a short person in these creature suits.
However, it is possible that they did use costumes and we simply saw scenes that were to difficult to film with a person in a costume (ex alien climbing on wall, jumping off ledge, banging its head)
Thats an engineer corpse in the trailer too just before the Alien jumps down, its quite clear. Looks like David has been studying their internal biology too.
I f****** loved it!
Quote from: Morose on Mar 01, 2017, 02:29:43 AM
Everything looks good. I am not that impressed with how they made the aliens cgi. The graphics of the neomorph almost look like the old graphics used for the creature in splice. The cgi for the xenomorph almost resemble those you used for the one in alien isolation. I feel that they could have easily put a tall or (if this the young neomorph) a short person in these creature suits.
However, it is possible that they did use costumes and we simply saw scenes that were to difficult to film with a person in a costume (ex alien climbing on wall, jumping off ledge, banging its head)
Much of the creature work, if not most, is puppetry or guys in suits. The CGI is actually fairly limited.
I prefer biomechanical, but this fleshy alien actually looks great.
Quote from: Wobblyboddle77 on Mar 01, 2017, 02:30:45 AM
Thats an engineer corpse in the trailer too just before the Alien jumps down, its quite clear. Looks like David has been studying their internal biology too.
Agreed. I really don't understand how anyone thinks that's Shaw?
https://mobile.twitter.com/trailertrack/status/836753616899829760 (https://mobile.twitter.com/trailertrack/status/836753616899829760)
QuoteThere is still a red-band version to be released...possibly tomorrow at the time the trailer was meant to drop originally? #AlienCovenant
*Added quote. Hicks.
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Quote from: Wobblyboddle77 on Mar 01, 2017, 02:30:45 AM
Thats an engineer corpse in the trailer too just before the Alien jumps down, its quite clear. Looks like David has been studying their internal biology too.
Agreed. I really don't understand how anyone thinks that's Shaw?
Doesn't look like anything but a mannequin or stand in prop awaiting cgi.
Well that was freaking awesome; the music, the cuts, everything, though I quite liked the teaser this one really felt like Alien, the environmental shots look gorgeous too. Hyped.
Is it just me or does the Xeno look kind of gangly?
Let the Gifs cometh from this trailer
Mweh... seen it all before. Boring.
Damn, that trailer was amazing, liking the long and slender Xenomorph limbs. And was that an Engineer structure at 1:55?
CGI is bad. Damn shame.
I dig it. It looks very "safe" nothing too ambitious and is basically the first movie (Prometheus) possibly done better.
I like safe though, safe is good. It's pretty hard to make the creature original after all the reworks.
Hell yes! Can't stop watching this. I can't wait.
Good trailer. Interesting to see Scott's Alien/s acting like Cameron's Aliens. (Headbutting, and the shot of it sprawl-crawling towards us in a shaft.)
I've been waiting my whole life to experience a new, good Alien film in theaters. Resurrection, AvP, AvPR and Prometheus all left something to be desired.
But this, I think this is it. IMAX. Opening weekend. I'm there. There has never been anything epic like that last sequence in any Alien film. She's hanging off the f**king spaceship! The xenomorph. f**k crushed blacks, f**k the corridors, there it is open and visible, and it looks gorgeous and terrifying still!
Mweh... but will see it in cinema...I guess
I mean, I'm glad they're going back to the basics. But that's the thing tho, we've seen it before. It's just mixing Alien and Aliens and even Alien 3 in terms of the atmosphere and tone. I'll definitely see it, but the problem with this film and the "trilogy" it intends to set up is that it is really undermining the first Alien film. These new ones are supposedly suppose to lead up to the Space Jockey in the first Alien movie, except, a few problems with that tho. First, in the first one, you can clearly tell it's not just another alien inside a suit. It's clearly an organic being. They shouldn't have retconned that. Also, these films take place about 20 some odd years before the first one, yet the Space Jockey looks like it has been there for thousands of years. This is unfortunately a problem with prequels.
Still no biomechanics stuff in site, bland.
The scene where the character points out that there are no animals was chilling and perfect. Also, I was getting serious Aliens vibes from the Alien bouncing of the walls with the red lights.
Is it just me or McBride looks badass? Interesting.
Quote from: nanison on Mar 01, 2017, 03:00:46 AM
Still no biomechanics stuff in site, bland.
Well, they would be different to see since the scenes cut from one to the next so quickly.
Quote from: slipknotpredator on Mar 01, 2017, 03:03:05 AM
Is it just me or McBride looks badass? Interesting.
He looks amazing.
Quote from: slipknotpredator on Mar 01, 2017, 03:03:05 AM
Is it just me or McBride looks badass? Interesting.
Thinking the same thing. He looks awesome. Especially in the last scene.
Neomorphs attacking in a wheat field brings to mind Vincent Ward's Alien 3 treatment.
Apparently new, exciting, directors should be called upon to write and direct a meaningful prequel to Alien. Ridley Scott just takes the money and makes what the studio wants to see. And you know, who blames anybody involved because this will be a financial success.
So they get the audience warm with the engineers and their home planet in Prometheus and bla bla only to kill them all of by a single Android before the actual movie starts. Great stuff Ridley ::)
Quote from: Necronomicon II on Mar 01, 2017, 03:05:34 AM
Neomorphs attacking in a wheat field brings to mind Vincent Ward's Alien 3 treatment.
So lame, we saw stuff like that in Jurassic Park 2. That planet looks just like earth, meh.
Quote from: Lonely Universe on Mar 01, 2017, 02:48:04 AM
CGI is bad. Damn shame.
CGI looks good to me. Better than Prometheus, even.
Quote from: BishopShouldGo on Mar 01, 2017, 02:56:57 AM
The xenomorph. f**k crushed blacks, f**k the corridors, there it is open and visible, and it looks gorgeous and terrifying still!
This.
Quote from: nanison on Mar 01, 2017, 03:05:52 AM
Apparently new, exciting, directors should be called upon to write and direct a meaningful prequel to Alien. Ridley Scott just takes the money and makes what the studio wants to see.
They all do. It's not like: "Give me the money and I go off do and whatever the f**k I want" :P
I don't know guys, I'm not digging it, sorry for that.
You know I want something otherworldly nightmarish, the stuff that gets hinted at in the original. I want to see the nasty alien do what was implied in Alien, I want to see it's sexuality, it's perversity. I want to see tubes and slime and visuals one can't imagine but Giger. I want to see this world in long cuts, slow and brooding camerawork. Screams of agony and pain, tears, sweat. The alien should only be a tool to a bigger purpose, something inexplicable we haven't yet seen.
I will still see it no matter what. It's a new trailer, not a finished film.
Quote from: Enoch on Mar 01, 2017, 12:24:28 AM
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This is a lot of dead Engineers... :)
That shot gives me hope for this movie. It reminded me of the Ridley Scott who made Alien, Blade Runner, and particularly Legend. More of that, please!
I loathed the teaser, and thought the viral clip was mediocre, but that trailer has me excited again. While I'm still irked that Shaw isn't the lead, at least the footage is finally showing the kind of spark that I expect from Ridley Scott. I'm even okay with the Alien fan-baiting so long as the alien designs are this freaking good.
Faith restored.
Do we think they have possibly cut the shower scene?
Quote from: nanison on Mar 01, 2017, 03:13:38 AM
I don't know guys, I'm not digging it, sorry for that.
You know I want something otherworldly nightmarish, the stuff that gets hinted at in the original. I want to see the nasty alien do what was implied in Alien, I want to see it's sexuality, it's perversity. I want to see tubes and slime and visuals one can't imagine but Giger. I want to see this world in long cuts, slow and brooding camerawork. Screams of agony and pain, tears, sweat. The alien should only be a tool to a bigger purpose, something inexplicable we haven't yet seen.
What we will have is a popcorn flick like Avatar or Jurassic World or the upcoming King Kong. Good films, great fun but ultimately forgettable.
Quote from: nanison on Mar 01, 2017, 03:13:38 AM
I don't know guys, I'm not digging it, sorry for that.
You know I want something otherworldly nightmarish, the stuff that gets hinted at in the original. I want to see the nasty alien do what was implied in Alien, I want to see it's sexuality, it's perversity. I want to see tubes and slime and visuals one can't imagine but Giger. I want to see this world in long cuts, slow and brooding camerawork. Screams of agony and pain, tears, sweat. The alien should only be a tool to a bigger purpose, something inexplicable we haven't yet seen.
I think these movies are building up to that. The promotional tagline, going through hell to get the paradise echoes this sentiment. Patience. ;D
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Quote from: Enoch on Mar 01, 2017, 12:24:28 AM
(https://i.imgur.com/O1Sfl40.jpg)
This is a lot of dead Engineers... :)
That shot gives me hope for this movie. It reminded me of the Ridley Scott who made Alien, Blade Runner, and particularly Legend. More of that, please!
I loathed the teaser, and thought the viral clip was mediocre, but that trailer has me excited again. While I'm still irked that Shaw isn't the lead, at least the footage is finally showing the kind of spark that I expect from Ridley Scott. I'm even okay with the Alien fan-baiting so long as the alien designs are this freaking good.
Faith restored.
Do we think they have possibly cut the shower scene?
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I'm thinking David killed them all here for some reason.
Dammit, how am I only now finding out about the second trailers release.
I personally felt this trailer showed wayyyy too much. I think I might hold off on watching more trailers.
Quote from: slipknotpredator on Mar 01, 2017, 03:03:05 AM
Is it just me or McBride looks badass? Interesting.
Looks like he might slimmed down and put on some muscle for this role.
This looks intense! My only hope is that the film doesn't show the Alien much more than it does here, or it could lose its suspense. And that suspense is what made the Alien films great. From the looks of things Ridley got that suspense back with this.
Quote from: CainsSon on Mar 01, 2017, 03:33:57 AM
This looks intense! My only hope is that the film doesn't show the Alien much more than it does here, or it could lose its suspense. And that suspense is what made the Alien films great. From the looks of things Ridley got that suspense back with this.
I'm thinking that they showed so much of the classic Xeno here because they're gonna reveal something else for later in the film and I don't mean the Neomorph.
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Quote from: CainsSon on Mar 01, 2017, 03:33:57 AM
This looks intense! My only hope is that the film doesn't show the Alien much more than it does here, or it could lose its suspense. And that suspense is what made the Alien films great. From the looks of things Ridley got that suspense back with this.
I'm thinking that they showed so much of the classic Xeno here because they're gonna reveal something else for later in the film and I don't mean the Neomorph.
Are you thinking a new monster? Or something more original?
Quote from: Chris!(($$))! on Mar 01, 2017, 03:36:21 AM
Quote from: CainsSon on Mar 01, 2017, 03:33:57 AM
This looks intense! My only hope is that the film doesn't show the Alien much more than it does here, or it could lose its suspense. And that suspense is what made the Alien films great. From the looks of things Ridley got that suspense back with this.
I'm thinking that they showed so much of the classic Xeno here because they're gonna reveal something else for later in the film and I don't mean the Neomorph.
Exactly, if no one noticed, there was a second face huger in the trailer.
Quote from: whiterabbit on Mar 01, 2017, 03:40:01 AM
Quote from: Chris!(($$))! on Mar 01, 2017, 03:36:21 AM
Quote from: CainsSon on Mar 01, 2017, 03:33:57 AM
This looks intense! My only hope is that the film doesn't show the Alien much more than it does here, or it could lose its suspense. And that suspense is what made the Alien films great. From the looks of things Ridley got that suspense back with this.
I'm thinking that they showed so much of the classic Xeno here because they're gonna reveal something else for later in the film and I don't mean the Neomorph.
Exactly, if no one noticed, there was a second face huger in the trailer.
Meaning a second Xeno?
Quote from: whiterabbit on Mar 01, 2017, 03:40:01 AM
Quote from: Chris!(($$))! on Mar 01, 2017, 03:36:21 AM
Quote from: CainsSon on Mar 01, 2017, 03:33:57 AM
This looks intense! My only hope is that the film doesn't show the Alien much more than it does here, or it could lose its suspense. And that suspense is what made the Alien films great. From the looks of things Ridley got that suspense back with this.
I'm thinking that they showed so much of the classic Xeno here because they're gonna reveal something else for later in the film and I don't mean the Neomorph.
Exactly, if no one noticed, there was a second face huger in the trailer.
Where?
The bio mech is there, its just been smoothed over guys. if you frame by frame it, you can make out the biomech sections, especially the weird cod piece section and on the forearms.
Perhaps a weaponized Enginner ala Fifield. Or perhaps a new creature or Xeno hibernating in that Engineer structure that we can see in the trailer.
Someone in the wheat field was being 'hugged, I think?
Quote from: nanison on Mar 01, 2017, 03:13:38 AM
I don't know guys, I'm not digging it, sorry for that.
You know I want something otherworldly nightmarish, the stuff that gets hinted at in the original. I want to see the nasty alien do what was implied in Alien, I want to see it's sexuality, it's perversity. I want to see tubes and slime and visuals one can't imagine but Giger. I want to see this world in long cuts, slow and brooding camerawork. Screams of agony and pain, tears, sweat. The alien should only be a tool to a bigger purpose, something inexplicable we haven't yet seen.
Can't make everyone happy, i'm sorry that you are in the group that doesn't like what they see, but we get it. For now it seems most people are enjoying it. After all the negativity on this board since the first trailer there's nothing wrong with people being enthusiastic and excited for change.
I've voted Hated It because it got too much away. :'(
Thankyouverymuch 20th Century Fox.
Quote from: salomonj on Mar 01, 2017, 03:45:29 AM
Quote from: whiterabbit on Mar 01, 2017, 03:40:01 AM
Quote from: Chris!(($$))! on Mar 01, 2017, 03:36:21 AM
Quote from: CainsSon on Mar 01, 2017, 03:33:57 AM
This looks intense! My only hope is that the film doesn't show the Alien much more than it does here, or it could lose its suspense. And that suspense is what made the Alien films great. From the looks of things Ridley got that suspense back with this.
I'm thinking that they showed so much of the classic Xeno here because they're gonna reveal something else for later in the film and I don't mean the Neomorph.
Exactly, if no one noticed, there was a second face huger in the trailer.
Meaning a second Xeno?
Another member from the board told me that there's
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three or four Aliens in the movie. That probably includes the Neomorph.
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Better than the first trailer.
Alien effects are hopefully far from finished.
I agree. Probably the best, so far. Lots of interesting stuff.
'Neomorph' design is underwhelming. It's basically a Deacon with a thin tail and Caucasian human skin.
Alien looks a bit fake, even down to the dorsal tubes moving in a rubbery way when it's leaping through that duct. The speed is good to see, but as others have pointed out, while skinny, it seems to be missing the biomechanical detail of he original. The eye sockets are back, but for some reason they've been narrowed, which make it look grumpy - the original circular sockets were more nightmarish.
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I've voted Hated It because it got too much away. :'(
Thankyouverymuch 20th Century Fox.
But did you like what you saw?
Quote from: Necronomicon II on Mar 01, 2017, 03:47:12 AM
Someone in the wheat field was being 'hugged, I think?
Yep, if you slow it down you can see it's another facehugger shot.
For those who are interested, at around the 2:16 mark there's a full body reveal of the xeno.
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Quote from: SiL on Mar 01, 2017, 01:25:55 AM
Better than the first trailer.
Alien effects are hopefully far from finished.
I agree. Probably the best, so far. Lots of interesting stuff.
'Neomorph' design is underwhelming. It's basically a Deacon with a thin tail and Caucasian human skin.
Alien looks a bit fake, even down to the dorsal tubes moving in a rubbery way when it's leaping through that duct. The speed is good to see, but as others have pointed out, while skinny, it seems to be missing the biomechanical detail of he original. The eye sockets are back, but for some reason they've been narrowed, which make it look grumpy - the original circular sockets were more nightmarish.
I agree, but I was wondering do you think it's still in the process of molting?
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This looks intense! My only hope is that the film doesn't show the Alien much more than it does here, or it could lose its suspense. And that suspense is what made the Alien films great. From the looks of things Ridley got that suspense back with this.
I'm thinking that they showed so much of the classic Xeno here because they're gonna reveal something else for later in the film and I don't mean the Neomorph.
Exactly, if no one noticed, there was a second face huger in the trailer.
Meaning a second Xeno?
Another member from the board told me that there'sSpoiler
three or four Aliens in the movie. That probably includes the Neomorph.
Interesting... I wonder if it only showed the same one in the trailer or they were different Xenomorph's in each shot.
I guessing different ones.
After all the negativity since AvPR would be more accurate. :D
Holy f**king shit , it looks f**king amazing!!
This trailer is markedly improved from the first one.
Yeah, I'm touching myself tonight. ;D
0:32 Wall-E
Holy shit
Honestly the Xeno's haven't been scary since Aliens, but Jesus if that one at the end didn't just give them their balls back I don't know what will.
That's how they should be, agile and aggressive.
I liked the first trailer much better, loved it actually. This one has a bit too much cheeso CGI for me with Alien3 and Res/AVP style Aliens. Also, never thought of an Alien on a jungle planet was a good idea or setting. Love the interior of the bases and space ship though. Thought I'd love this new trailer but CGI aliens and daytime jungle scenes (nothing scary or unique) made me vote Meh. I'm sure (I hope now) the movie will be better.
Is it possible...
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The dead body that David is operating on is Shaw? I don't know how to upload pictures but I zoomed in and the body does not at all look like a engineer, but rather a female human
I vote meh. Nothing in the trailer I hated, but we pretty underwhelmed, by what I saw. It's ALIENS in the woods from what I can tell. No sense of wonder or mystery. People go down find xenos, they die, the end. Some new xenos are thrown in the mix for variety. I understand wanting to give people what they felt Prometheus was lacking, but this feels like they've swung the pendulum too far in the other direction and removed the grander story for more Alien action.
Of course this is only a trailer. Could be the movie is entirely different from what the trailer is selling, I'm just not into this so far. Doesn't feel ALIEN to me.
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Is it possible...
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The dead body that David is operating on is Shaw? I don't know how to upload pictures but I zoomed in and the body does not at all look like a engineer, but rather a female human
I torn on this. It's either that or someone else from the crew.
I could see the film building up the reveal of a monster we haven't even heard of yet. They're already promoting this new series as going through hell to reach paradise, that implies that there is a devil at the end of the journey. Whether that ends up being David, Shaw, xeno, or something else entirely, who knows. I haven't watched the trailer, but it sounds like there is a ton of footage of the xeno. This tells me there is something else they're hiding.
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Is it possible...
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The dead body that David is operating on is Shaw? I don't know how to upload pictures but I zoomed in and the body does not at all look like a engineer, but rather a female human
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It looks like something that is gonna be detailed in post. By the size of the frame and the shape of the legs either it is a female from the ship or Shaw. Sad, killing major characters off-screen is a major pet peeve of mine and I think is really lame writing. If the character is worth spending a film exploring they deserve an on-screen death.
So much was lost in the original leaked version. Lots of little things. Now, yeah, I still don't know what i think of it. I said earlier I'm in the minority that actually wanted Prometheus 2. I love the ship and the engineer suits lining the walls. I like their world, and I wish we had more of a chance to explore it.
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I vote meh. Nothing in the trailer I hated, but we pretty underwhelmed, by what I saw. It's ALIENS in the woods from what I can tell. No sense of wonder or mystery. People go down find xenos, they die, the end. Some new xenos are thrown in the mix for variety. I understand wanting to give people what they felt Prometheus was lacking, but this feels like they've swung the pendulum too far in the other direction and removed the grander story for more Alien action.
Of course this is only a trailer. Could be the movie is entirely different from what the trailer is selling, I'm just not into this so far. Doesn't feel ALIEN to me.
Hey there, you sound like my clone. Seriously though as a diehard Alien (Favorite movie ever) & Aliens (mostly for the scenery, acting & story in Aliens) I thought the exact same thing about the forest scenery bringing absolutely no wonder or mystery. If the movie turns out bad this will prove that the original 2 writers and Giger were more responsible for the success of Alien than Ridley Scott. A forest and CGI jumping Aliens...woopieeffin doo.
Its Shaw
So, where is the Engineer in the trailer?
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I vote meh. Nothing in the trailer I hated, but we pretty underwhelmed, by what I saw. It's ALIENS in the woods from what I can tell. No sense of wonder or mystery. People go down find xenos, they die, the end. Some new xenos are thrown in the mix for variety. I understand wanting to give people what they felt Prometheus was lacking, but this feels like they've swung the pendulum too far in the other direction and removed the grander story for more Alien action.
Of course this is only a trailer. Could be the movie is entirely different from what the trailer is selling, I'm just not into this so far. Doesn't feel ALIEN to me.
Hey there, you sound like my clone. Seriously though as a diehard Alien & Aliens (mostly for the scenery) I thought the exact same thing about the forest scenery bringing absolutely no wonder or mystery. If the movie turns out bad this will prove that the original 2 writers and Giger were more responsible for the success of Alien than Ridley Scott. A forest and CGI jumping Aliens...woopieeffin doo.
Or the overwhelming sense of claustrophobia in the first Alien film. You can't get the same vibe trapped on a lush planet. You also can't take that away from Ridley Scott, his direction shaped alien. Also, his story boards are f**king beautiful.
I'm again more surprised they would go down to any world without being suited up till they did full on reports to determine if it was completely safe. That part is actually already bugging me. I know it means the story takes a while to get going, but give it some explanation (this also bugged me about Prometheus).
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So, where is the Engineer in the trailer?
Alien on the ceiling scene, Something is cut open on the table below. Some think it is an engineer. I am not in that group anymore.
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Is it possible...
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The dead body that David is operating on is Shaw? I don't know how to upload pictures but I zoomed in and the body does not at all look like a engineer, but rather a female human
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It looks like something that is gonna be detailed in post. By the size of the frame and the shape of the legs either it is a female from the ship or Shaw. Sad, killing major characters off-screen is a major pet peeve of mine and I think is really lame writing. If the character is worth spending a film exploring they deserve an on-screen death.
So much was lost in the original leaked version. Lots of little things. Now, yeah, I still don't know what i think of it. I said earlier I'm in the minority that actually wanted Prometheus 2. I love the ship and the engineer suits lining the walls. I like their world, and I wish we had more of a chance to explore it.
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looks like we're gonna get a lot more Engineer stuff than expected. Lot's of shots of dead bodies.
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Quote from: salomonj on Mar 01, 2017, 04:28:06 AM
Is it possible...
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The dead body that David is operating on is Shaw? I don't know how to upload pictures but I zoomed in and the body does not at all look like a engineer, but rather a female human
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It looks like something that is gonna be detailed in post. By the size of the frame and the shape of the legs either it is a female from the ship or Shaw. Sad, killing major characters off-screen is a major pet peeve of mine and I think is really lame writing. If the character is worth spending a film exploring they deserve an on-screen death.
So much was lost in the original leaked version. Lots of little things. Now, yeah, I still don't know what i think of it. I said earlier I'm in the minority that actually wanted Prometheus 2. I love the ship and the engineer suits lining the walls. I like their world, and I wish we had more of a chance to explore it.
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looks like we're gonna get a lot more Engineer stuff than expected. Lot's of shots of dead bodies.
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But nothing on their world, their society, no answers to anything from Prometheus, they just use it as set decoration. I am actually more interested in that than another monster movie. I'd rather spend 2 hour exploring their world and learning about them, and have the horror implied because we cannot possibly understand their culture than monsters ripping out of people. Maybe I am just getting old
Remember that this is only part two of the trilogy/quadrilogy. Three/four might be where we see the really freaky Giger aesthetics.
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Remember that this is only part two of the trilogy/quadrilogy. Three/four might be where we see the really freaky Giger aesthetics.
Personally I think it will be more of this.
That is, if this movie makes money. If it flops it ends here. (I'm sure it will make enough money for a sequel, but you honestly never know. Lots of stuff has been under performing at the box office lately).
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If the movie turns out bad this will prove that the original 2 writers and Giger were more responsible for the success of Alien than Ridley Scott. A forest and CGI jumping Aliens...woopieeffin doo.
Hollywood and people in general give too much credit to directors and just ignore that films succeed because of the group effort. I think Ridley Scott is capable of making a great Alien film, but like Lucas lacks the guidance of people who actually understand why their original films worked so well. Alien; Isolation wasn't the most original addition to the franchise, but at least they seemed to know how to take what was great about the first (and second to a smaller degree) film and expand upon it.
Ehh. I don't want to go off too much on a trailer for a movie I could very well end up liking or loving. I just don't want to be let down again.
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I don't know guys, I'm not digging it, sorry for that.
You know I want something otherworldly nightmarish, the stuff that gets hinted at in the original. I want to see the nasty alien do what was implied in Alien, I want to see it's sexuality, it's perversity. I want to see tubes and slime and visuals one can't imagine but Giger. I want to see this world in long cuts, slow and brooding camerawork. Screams of agony and pain, tears, sweat. The alien should only be a tool to a bigger purpose, something inexplicable we haven't yet seen.
Very well said. To me, this trailer and the Aliens especially, were nothing but a bunch of fan boy shyte, sorry. The trailer of Life looks better than this...Aliens are depicted like fast moving bugs...this isn't anything like Alien, more like that AVP crap. Trailer 1 was much more mysterious. Jumping CGI aliens, bah, fan boy simple minded stuff here.
Quote from: Born Of Cold Light on Mar 01, 2017, 05:03:56 AM
Remember that this is only part two of the trilogy/quadrilogy. Three/four might be where we see the really freaky Giger aesthetics.
Agree, especially if no CGI Aliens are used and they take place in mechanical/futuristic industrial type of settings. I hope there's 2 more movies prequels after this one. Really dissapointed with these flying bugs...what a disgrace to Alien.
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Quote from: Nostromo on Mar 01, 2017, 04:42:11 AM
If the movie turns out bad this will prove that the original 2 writers and Giger were more responsible for the success of Alien than Ridley Scott. A forest and CGI jumping Aliens...woopieeffin doo.
Hollywood and people in general give too much credit to directors and just ignore that films succeed because of the group effort. I think Ridley Scott is capable of making a great Alien film, but like Lucas lacks the guidance of people who actually understand why their original films worked so well. Alien; Isolation wasn't the most original addition to the franchise, but at least they seemed to know how to take what was great about the first (and second to a smaller degree) film and expand upon it.
Ehh. I don't want to go off too much on a trailer for a movie I could very well end up liking or loving. I just don't want to be let down again.
A+ on every point. I'll go crawl back under my rock now and resurface after tge movie.
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Quote from: nanison on Mar 01, 2017, 03:13:38 AM
I don't know guys, I'm not digging it, sorry for that.
You know I want something otherworldly nightmarish, the stuff that gets hinted at in the original. I want to see the nasty alien do what was implied in Alien, I want to see it's sexuality, it's perversity. I want to see tubes and slime and visuals one can't imagine but Giger. I want to see this world in long cuts, slow and brooding camerawork. Screams of agony and pain, tears, sweat. The alien should only be a tool to a bigger purpose, something inexplicable we haven't yet seen.
Very well said. To me, this trailer and the Aliens especially, were nothing but a bunch of fan boy shyte, sorry. The trailer of Life looks better than this...Aliens are depicted like fast moving bugs...this isn't anything like Alien, more like that AVP crap. Trailer 1 was much more mysterious. Jumping CGI aliens, bah, fan boy simple minded stuff here.
You'll never see a 100m+ budget tackle anything like that. It could get an NC-17 rating and end up being hacked apart. The US still isn't good with those kinda subjects. The only way that would get made is on the cheap, and we've all see what a Aliens movie done on a limited budget looks like.
When you get above 100m the best you can hope for is an ok movie. It has to appeal to such a broad audience to make money (that 100 becomes 150-200 quickly when you factor in advertising and all that shit).
I'm rather shocked at how many people want to see alien rape... that's not going to happen any time soon. Watch splice if you want to see that.
Now how about some of the things we didn't see, Weyland, David up-close nor much of Walter, acid blood, little mouth, f**king stupid ass one liners...
This trailer is f**king great!
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I'm rather shocked at how many people want to see alien rape... that's not going to happen any time soon. Watch splice if you want to see that.
Now how about some of the things we didn't see, Weyland, David up-close nor much of Walter, acid blood, little mouth, f**king stupid ass one liners...
This trailer is f**king great!
We already kind of saw alien rape in Alien, Alien:R and AVP:R. I guess it was more implied, but I don't think we need to see full on pornographic alien sex. I don't think any rating board would pass that. :o
Who is the dissected person on David's operating table ?!! Is it SHAW?! I dunno !
That's the million dollar question at the moment.
lol the quality is bad, at least for me
i wanna see the movie already
also i am still sad we dont seem to be getting any information about what happened to the deacon -_-
Quote from: CainsSon on Mar 01, 2017, 05:45:09 AM
Who is the dissected person on David's operating table ?!! Is it SHAW?! I dunno !
My guess is Shaw. But why
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kill her in the most horrid way possible after saving her in Prometheus?
QuoteAliens are depicted like fast moving bugs...this isn't anything like Alien, more like that AVP crap.
The shot of the Alien leaping from wall to wall down the corridor looks just like the Alien leaping towards Ripley in the Alien nest when she rescues Newt. That is to say it looks pretty sweet.
Trailer in general is great. The floppy dorsal tubes don't sell the creature, though.
I've been favoring the more chunky alien torso and regular-length limbs from the 1979 version. Don't really like how they went the route of the Aliens from AVP 2010 (Thinner body, longer limbs, serpent-like), but I'll reserve my full judgment until after having seen the film. The eeriness is working, however.
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QuoteAliens are depicted like fast moving bugs...this isn't anything like Alien, more like that AVP crap.
The shot of the Alien leaping from wall to wall down the corridor looks just like the Alien leaping towards Ripley in the Alien nest when she rescues Newt. That is to say it looks pretty sweet.
And the funny thing is to my knowledge, Riddles always wanted the Alien to be jumping around when it attacked Dallas in the vents. But they could never work it out.
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Quote from: whiterabbit on Mar 01, 2017, 05:33:47 AM
I'm rather shocked at how many people want to see alien rape... that's not going to happen any time soon. Watch splice if you want to see that.
Now how about some of the things we didn't see, Weyland, David up-close nor much of Walter, acid blood, little mouth, f**king stupid ass one liners...
This trailer is f**king great!
We already kind of saw alien rape in Alien, Alien:R and AVP:R. I guess it was more implied, but I don't think we need to see full on pornographic alien sex. I don't think any rating board would pass that. :o
Well yea that is what I meant... however I swear some people want to see elicit sex. Which is kind of gross even for an alien movie, enough so that I could see the backlash from even daring to go down that route.
The dorsal tubes look very much insectoid, to me. I dare to say it, almost like a beautiful, beautiful butterfly. Even the way it moves. An almost angelic posture.
Actually the simplest answer is that its whoever the Alien above chestbursted from. The part of the trailer where we see CRUDUP? in the throws of chestbursting, he is wearing a white or light grey t-shirt. It could just be him.
Hi all. New guy here. Been following Covenant on here for awhile; seems like a good community so I figured I'd sign up. Here's a few things I got from the trailer.
1. The Mystery of The Wheat. I seem to remember David eating a bowl of something during his alone-time on the Prometheus. But if it was planted for Shaw's benefit, David apparently had a reason to keep her alive for an extended period of time. The time from planting to harvesting could be subsidized by supplies salvaged from Vicker's Pod.
2. The Alien In the Workshop. David appears to be standing next to the man who gets attacked in David's hut. There is movement directly near him when he looks up. At first I thought it was an injured team member being dropped due to fear, but it looks like David. He is wearing his cloak, but the skin on his forehead and nose can be seen when he moves. Maybe David is going to feed his "pet". The same man also appears to have a bloodied arm during the face close-up. He appears to be the same guy who's gun is attacked by a face hugger in an earlier shot, likely when the new captain is attacked. So I'm guessing he survives that only to be lured to his fate by David.
3.The body on the table. I'm not sure it's Shaw. The room is filled with sketches David has made of creatures and anatomy. The body is likely his current study; as it appears the head has been dissected down to the bare skull; along with the sketches of various face tissue layers seen on the canvas next to it. David should already have a general understanding of human anatomy in order to provide medical care or as a basic knowledge, so the body may be of an adolescent or female engineer. The drawings on the canvas do appear somewhat proto-human.
4. The face burster. Going on the info from the prologue, I'm guessing the victim of the face burster is the younger man from the gay couple featured in the clip. The edges of mangled facial tissue can be seen when he is holding his husband's dead hand.
5. Daniels anger. She seemed more like she was angrily asking someone on the bridge, when asking "where is it". I'm guessing that was David on the Monitor. He's perfected his creation, and unleashed it on the Covenant. Daniel's going from fear to anger in this scene really makes me think she's run into him. She's obviously with Danny McBride. Perhaps they escaped together back to the covenant, but David beat them there. Maybe he not only wants a way off paradise, he is now fulfilling (in his own way) the Engineers plans and wants to unleash his creation on mankind and become God.
6. The alien in the daylight. I hope they didn't reveal the end of the movie there. That's usually how it goes, but I'm thinking they'll survive the protomorph fight only to return to the covenant finding David has unleashed the regular xenomorph.
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Hi all. New guy here. Been following Covenant on here for awhile; seems like a good community so I figured I'd sign up. Here's a few things I got from the trailer.
1. The Mystery of The Wheat. I seem to remember David eating a bowl of something during his alone-time on the Prometheus. But if it was planted for Shaw's benefit, David apparently had a reason to keep her alive for an extended period of time. The time from planting to harvesting could be subsidized by supplies salvaged from Vicker's Pod.
2. The Alien In the Workshop. David appears to be standing next to the man who gets attacked in David's hut. There is movement directly near him when he looks up. At first I thought it was an injured team member being dropped due to fear, but it looks like David. He is wearing his cloak, but the skin on his forehead and nose can be seen when he moves. Maybe David is going to feed his "pet". The same man also appears to have a bloodied arm during the face close-up. He appears to be the same guy who's gun is attacked by a face hugger in an earlier shot, likely when the new captain is attacked. So I'm guessing he survives that only to be lured to his fate by David.
3.The body on the table. I'm not sure it's Shaw. The room is filled with sketches David has made of creatures and anatomy. The body is likely his current study; as it appears the head has been dissected down to the bare skull; along with the sketches of various face tissue layers seen on the canvas next to it. David should already have a general understanding of human anatomy in order to provide medical care or as a basic knowledge, so the body may be of an adolescent or female engineer. The drawings on the canvas do appear somewhat proto-human.
4. The face burster. Going on the info from the prologue, I'm guessing the victim of the face burster is the younger man from the gay couple featured in the clip. The edges of mangled facial tissue can be seen when he is holding his husband's dead hand.
5. Daniels anger. She seemed more like she was angrily asking someone on the bridge, when asking "where is it". I'm guessing that was David on the Monitor. He's perfected his creation, and unleashed it on the Covenant. Daniel's going from fear to anger in this scene really makes me think she's run into him. She's obviously with Danny McBride. Perhaps they escaped together back to the covenant, but David beat them there. Maybe he not only wants a way off paradise, he is now fulfilling (in his own way) the Engineers plans and wants to unleash his creation on mankind and become God.
6. The alien in the daylight. I hope they didn't reveal the end of the movie there. That's usually how it goes, but I'm thinking they'll survive the protomorph fight only to return to the covenant finding David has unleashed the regular xenomorph.
I love the idea about David "feeding his pet". That'd be really cool, and creepy. Do you think David did create the Xeno and if so, why?
Welcome to AVP :) Whats the difference between the protomorph and xenomorph?
Hi guys. Don't get me wrong, i like this... a lot. But what i don't like, is, that they are showing us too much from the new creatures in this trailer. I mean, a good look at a "Big Chap" like creature is very nice, but what about hiding stuff like this for the real suprise in the movie?
Still looking very forward to May 18th here in Germany. Already informed my employer that i need a day of for three screenings in a row. ;D
Don't think there's that much harm in seeing a monster that's 38 years old.
Sorry but this CGI i doesn't look nice ???
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Don't see a problem.
I would hope the trailer doesn't show all the creatures but something tells me it does and there is no bigger end game boss than that Alien in trailer's ending
Nice trailer though, much better than the first
Yeah it looks great. Having an occasional lurking shadow moment is fine and welcome but we need to move on from that small quiet crushed black nature of the original that we esteem so much. That worked for it and that worked then. Do I want more of that yes. Is that all I want in every xeno related sequence no.
We can't continue to be beholden to the shadows. Let's be beholden to story and characters and themes.
OMG that was amazing !
The second picture is very good! However this scene is really weird. The film looks very aggressive, where is the slowness of Alien or Prometheus?
I hope the Red Band Trailer will be better!
Not enough new things in this trailer (most of this is already see in the previous videos)
Think I've almost given up hope for this being anything other than a forgettable CG-filled, popcorn movie.
I actually liked Prometheus for what it was. It wasn't an Alien movie, but a good, standalone sci-fi horror. The two trailers so far for Covenant give off a vibe that is neither what was positive about Prometheus or remotely anything resembling the best Alien films. It feels very AvP:R.
I'd be a little more forgiving if they had gone mostly practical effects, but let's be honest, the shots of the Xeno look very unconvincing, and verging on terrible - the first thing I noticed was how unnatural and "fake" it looked, especially with it trying to smash the window and climbing on the ship at the end of the trailer. Quite a few other elements in the trailer that looked clearly CG.
Very, very disappointed. I just can't understand anyone who is a true Alien fan being satisfied with what has been shown so far.
Really hope Blomkamp's Alien movie gets made at some point - he seems a fan as much as the rest of us and the early signs were promising.
The citadel is fantastic but I wonder where it is on the planet!
First trailer came out on Christmas, then we had James Franco jesus in a "Last Supper" viral video, and now this comes out on Ash Wednesday? Are you kidding me? Are we then going to get another trailer on Good Friday or Easter? WTF! As a Caholic, I feel insulted that there's an obvious connection to something sacred. It's disrespectful. I really enjoy the Alien series but I'm tired of this innuendo that there is a Jesus - Alien connection.
I have to say, the CGI alien doesn't look so good. Also seeing the alien in broad daylight makes it even worse. I'm trying to keep an open mind, but the British Columbia forest scenery for an Alien homeworld is just wrong. I get that it may make sense for the plot, but it's not working for me. I know they can't hear any animals of any sort, but I half expect some ewoks to come out of the woodworks here.
I'm trying to remain optimistic, but damn...
Im npt aure whether to avoid the trailer - for thoa.ae that have seen it, is it too spoilerish like some of the final prometheus trailers before release?
Quote from: Walter on Mar 01, 2017, 06:34:45 AM
Sorry but this CGI i doesn't look nice ???
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As someone who doesn't even like this trailer, I still think the CGI was as good as they could've made it. Just comparing the quality to any other modern big budget blockbuster.
Magnificent 8)
Any screencap breakdowns yet?
Quote from: SM on Mar 01, 2017, 06:37:11 AM
Don't see a problem.
It doesn't look like part of the scene and its movements are clearly animated. It's close, but no cigar.
Not the worst CGI, but at this point it looks like it just stepped out of
Alien: Isolation.
I hope they aren't gonna waste David and this whole lab idea, it's so creepy
Anything here that directly contradicts the leaks so we can have hope there will be surprises?
Quote from: SiL on Mar 01, 2017, 07:07:16 AM
Quote from: SM on Mar 01, 2017, 06:37:11 AM
Don't see a problem.
It doesn't look like part of the scene and its movements are clearly animated. It's close, but no cigar.
Not the worst CGI, but at this point it looks like it just stepped out of Alien: Isolation.
I think watching it over and over on a GIF it might seem hokey, but the couple of seconds in the trailer the few times I've watched it, didn't trouble me at all.
The two trailers give away
so much of the movie. From what I've pieced together so far, chronologically its something like:
Spoiler
1. Possibly the sequences of David with Weyland in the white room with the piano (David dreaming?)
2. Cut to the Covenant. 15+ minutes of character building, meeting the characters, James Franco's character not feeling great.
3. Crew get into dropship. Land on 'Paradise'. Exploring the world, finding wheat and remains of the Engineers.
4. One of the crew step on the spores, get infected. Return to the dropship. Crew member becomes sick. Couple of other crew members remain with him (including Carmen Ejogo's character)
5. Rest of the Covenant crew continue exploring the world. Come across the Engineer ship that David and Shaw escaped from. Find Shaw's dogtags. Encounter David who has clearly been busy with his 'experiments'.
6. Crew member in dropship dies from the backburster. The (neomorph?) causes havoc on the dropship, people die, the dropship explodes, leaving the rest of the crew stranded on the planet with David inside the Engineer ship. The neomorph escapes somehow.
7. David explains what he has been working on and how it relates to the Engineers and the Neo/Xeno morphs. Flashback sequences of the engineer planet, the temple thing etc as he explains it.
8. David tries to trap Crudup's character by taking him to the nesting chamber on the ship with the eggs. Crudup gets facehugged with David watching. David now has his human acting as a host for the Xeno.
9. The crew realise David's intentions are dangerous. Try to escape the planet/call for assistance from the main Covenant ship (in the trailer we hear Daniels calling for the Covenant "Covenant, do you read me?")
10. Crudup's chestburster opens up, the Xeno escapes. Xeno kills a few crew members.
11. Scenes where the neomorph from earlier at the dropship attacks some of the remaining crew members in the field at night.
12. Another dropship from the Covenant arrives at the planet to rescue the remaining crew members.
13. Daniels goes after the Xeno.
14. Most of the crew are dead aside from Daniels and McBride's character. McBride's character pilots the new dropship to rescue Daniels. The Xeno appears, hanging onto the dropship with Daniels.
15. Possibly scene inside the hanger/loading bay of the dropship involving Daniels and the Xeno (in the trailers where Daniels is hanging on inside the loading bay with containers moving around).
Don't know where the Xeno shower scene fits into all this.
I don't see the problem with the "CGI" or whatever that is. I've watched those gifs quite a few times now and it looks pretty good.
Quote from: SM on Mar 01, 2017, 07:12:17 AM
I think watching it over and over on a GIF it might seem hokey, but the couple of seconds in the trailer the few times I've watched it, didn't trouble me at all.
I haven't been watching the GIFs. The movement's wrong, it has no real weight to it. I know they're supposed to be fast and agile and light but it's flowing too much.
I'll admit I'm always unconsciously looking for stuff like that because it's usually the first thing that gives CGI away. YMMV.
ok, nevermind, i had a connection proble so tats why the video was in such a bad quality, i saw it again and mmm, i dont think the cgi looks any bad at all, BUT i hope they tweak the lightning on it a bit, maybe is that, it has happened before, where they release trailers with incomplete cgi, maybe this is the case, i still wanna see more of this alien
That's a good point SiL but we aren't 100% certain of the context of that scene. There might be some zero-g or some other shit at play.
also, look closely at 1:44 thats not the alien or if it is, then it is at an earlier stage, but it is flesh color, and neither the ribcage nor the back of its head are fully developed
All this people complaining about CGI get on my nerves. As much as I love the original Alien, you had to admit...IT LOOKED A LOT LIKE A MAN ON A SUIT... was like the monster of the black lagoon. Obviously the atmosphere of the movie and the story make you almost forget that but in a lot of scenes it looked like a man on a suit, like all the practical effects in the past...even doing good, you could tell it was a puppet, a suit or something like that. The same way you can notice something it's CGI nowadays.
You just have nostalgia, it's not that practical were all way better, the problem it's you.
Quote from: Chris!(($$))! on Mar 01, 2017, 07:21:39 AM
That's a good point SiL but we aren't 100% certain of the context of that scene. There might be some zero-g or some other shit at play.
Dunno about that. Milford Sound is still in the background.
Quote from: SiL on Mar 01, 2017, 07:16:12 AM
Quote from: SM on Mar 01, 2017, 07:12:17 AM
I think watching it over and over on a GIF it might seem hokey, but the couple of seconds in the trailer the few times I've watched it, didn't trouble me at all.
I haven't been watching the GIFs. The movement's wrong, it has no real weight to it. I know they're supposed to be fast and agile and light but it's flowing too much.
I'll admit I'm always unconsciously looking for stuff like that because it's usually the first thing that gives CGI away. YMMV.
I was consciously looking for stuff to be flakey on repeated viewings and was quite impressed. The only thing that struck me as a bit off was the position of the legs, which was no doubt deliberate.
Why do we assume that Shaw is dead? Maybe she isn't dead, but hiding (or hidden) and is revealed closer to the end... ?
Quote from: SM on Mar 01, 2017, 07:24:21 AM
Dunno about that. Milford Sound is still in the background.
Corridor shot.
QuoteI was consciously looking for stuff to be flakey on repeated viewings and was quite impressed. The only thing that struck me as a bit off was the position of the legs, which was no doubt deliberate.
Well I guess I'm like the SUX 2000 with really shitty gas mileage.
Quote from: Perfect-Organism on Mar 01, 2017, 06:48:09 AM
First trailer came out on Christmas, then we had James Franco jesus in a "Last Supper" viral video, and now this comes out on Ash Wednesday? Are you kidding me? Are we then going to get another trailer on Good Friday or Easter? WTF! As a Caholic, I feel insulted that there's an obvious connection to something sacred. It's disrespectful. I really enjoy the Alien series but I'm tired of this innuendo that there is a Jesus - Alien connection.
I have to say, the CGI alien doesn't look so good. Also seeing the alien in broad daylight makes it even worse. I'm trying to keep an open mind, but the British Columbia forest scenery for an Alien homeworld is just wrong. I get that it may make sense for the plot, but it's not working for me. I know they can't hear any animals of any sort, but I half expect some ewoks to come out of the woodworks here.
I'm trying to remain optimistic, but damn...
It's gonna get worse when it is reveled that the last engineer was indeed Jesus Christ. They could also move the date up to Easter!
The cgi is fine. The only way it'd be better if we later on found out it was a puppet all along. :laugh:
Also I think I know why David kills everything on the planet, they were too noisy for him to think.
Quote from: SiL on Mar 01, 2017, 07:37:14 AM
Quote from: SM on Mar 01, 2017, 07:24:21 AM
Dunno about that. Milford Sound is still in the background.
Corridor shot.
QuoteI was consciously looking for stuff to be flakey on repeated viewings and was quite impressed. The only thing that struck me as a bit off was the position of the legs, which was no doubt deliberate.
Well I guess I'm like the SUX 2000 with really shitty gas mileage.
;D haha robocop ref ;D 8)
Quote from: Walter on Mar 01, 2017, 06:34:45 AM
Sorry but this CGI i doesn't look nice ???
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I love the face, its expression, and the gnashing teeth. I embrace CGI.
Well colour me impressed. This looks like a movie I'd like to see. The cute pointy-headed neomorph attacking didn't look as silly as I expected, Daniels with tears in her eyes implies some real horror and drama, primal Alien looks good and nasty. Granted, the Prometheus trailers also suckered me into expecting something awesome. But now that this direction has been taken for the franchise: new creatures, more planets, engineer mythology etc., it's starting to look like like a good idea to me now (going by what I now expect from Covenant).
I am pretty sure Shaw is not dead & her fate will be 1 of big Covenant surprises (btw not her on operating table at 2:00; it's an Engineer). In Alien franchise lead female character always survives at the end; everyone expects Daniels this time, but I have a hunch it is Shaw again at the end, perhaps with Walter (not David). It is also suspicious she is nowhere on the list of credits, but she was presumably filming for 3 weeks in Sydney. From these trailers most of Covenant storyline can be put together, but this could be something carefully hidden and totally unexpected.
Fantastic trailer btw, can't wait for the movie!
Quote from: SiL on Mar 01, 2017, 07:07:16 AM
Quote from: SM on Mar 01, 2017, 06:37:11 AM
Don't see a problem.
It doesn't look like part of the scene and its movements are clearly animated. It's close, but no cigar.
Not the worst CGI, but at this point it looks like it just stepped out of Alien: Isolation.
You nailed it. That sums it up. Even the shape of the dome has an isolation vibe. Nothing wrong with isolation, but this just has a video game feel.
Quote from: paradiselost on Mar 01, 2017, 07:53:03 AM
I am pretty sure Shaw is not dead & her fate will be 1 of big Covenant surprises (btw not her on operating table at 2:00; it's an Engineer). In Alien franchise lead female character always survives at the end; everyone expects Daniels this time, but I have a hunch it is Shaw again at the end, perhaps with Walter (not David). It is also suspicious she is nowhere on the list of credits, but she was presumably filming for 3 weeks in Sydney. From these trailers most of Covenant storyline can be put together, but this could be something carefully hidden and totally unexpected.
Fantastic trailer btw, can't wait for the movie!
It would be awesome if they surprised us with a significant role for Shaw. That would be the best surprise.
Oh man, I can't wait! Also, anyone else wowed and amazed by Danny McBride's gloriously awesome cowboy hat? Dat hat...
I did notice some structure in the last few shots of the trailer. Engineer city or another outpost that's not buried? And what's with the field of bodies at 1:56? Plus David is coming off as sinister in the shots he's in. Guess we'll know when the movie comes out, yeah?
Really digging this new trailer. That shot with David walking away through the dark past a mile of bodies is flat-out chilling. He has become death, the destroyer of worlds. Fassbender's character may be more frightening than the Aliens in this movie.
Quote from: SiL on Mar 01, 2017, 07:37:14 AM
Quote from: SM on Mar 01, 2017, 07:24:21 AM
Dunno about that. Milford Sound is still in the background.
Corridor shot.
Oh right.
Quote
QuoteI was consciously looking for stuff to be flakey on repeated viewings and was quite impressed. The only thing that struck me as a bit off was the position of the legs, which was no doubt deliberate.
Well I guess I'm like the SUX 2000 with really shitty gas mileage.
Yeah but you do have a Blaupunkt.
QuoteFirst trailer came out on Christmas, then we had James Franco jesus in a "Last Supper" viral video, and now this comes out on Ash Wednesday? Are you kidding me? Are we then going to get another trailer on Good Friday or Easter? WTF! As a Caholic, I feel insulted that there's an obvious connection to something sacred. It's disrespectful. I really enjoy the Alien series but I'm tired of this innuendo that there is a Jesus - Alien connection.
I think it was meant to be out on March 2 with Logan but once it leaked it was easier to just release it rather than spend the whole day ripping it off Youtube.
And lay off the Cahol, eh?
The trailer was good really looking forward to this.I hope it will be what ridley says it is meant to be but will judge after watching but it looks like a return to form love the xeno being aggressive as its a slightly earlier version from what I gather but didn't get to see much of the neomorph. Prometheus was OK but not brill at least alien covenant the name tells us what its about and that's the alien
Probably not significant role for Shaw, but in the end waking from hibernation where David put her after Juggernaut crashed & black goo caused extinction of all life including Engineer massacre in the Citadel.
I also recall recent interview with Noomi Rapace when she just smiled when they asked her about her role/fate in Covenant.
I wonder if we'll see any stalking and stealth or if they're mostly jump scare / super aggressive type xenos.
The was worth it for the ultra-creepy shot of the Alien on the spacecraft's forward viewport at the end.
Quote from: MrSpaceJockey on Mar 01, 2017, 02:24:13 AM
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I wonder if that's intentional? Either way, that's pretty cool. I quite liked that shot.
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Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Mar 01, 2017, 08:31:00 AMI wonder if that's intentional? Either way, that's pretty cool. I quite liked that shot.
It reminded me of the similar shots in
Aliens.
Also, lol at Ridley recycling
more stuff he never did on
Alien :P
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Mar 01, 2017, 08:30:07 AM
The was worth it for the ultra-creepy shot of the Alien on the spacecraft's forward viewport at the end.
Yeah. I'm shocked at how vicious this son of a bitch looks...
I wonder if this alien from the end of the trailer is the main big bad ???
The cgi looked ropey,I Am Legend ropey.
So glad bits of the prologue seem to be in the movie. Something I never noticed from early photo stills until now though:
Why is the juggernaut not FULLY resting on the ground, given its presumable heavy weight? The corner ends are sticking up in the air while the rest of it seems wedged precariously into the side of a hill/small mountain. Could they do a prometheus rolling donut - at some point the juggernaut slides down the hill? That wpupd disturb the environment further and no doubt bring it closer to the covenant drop ship.
I'm not quite sure I expected the Alien to be thrashing around outside ships in the light, I think that's what might be giving out the dodgey CGI thoughts. I mean we've not seen the Alien in light before have we?
I'm on the fence, I can totally see the lightness of the Alien, needs a bit more weight to it, like they should have just mimicked the weight of something like a puma instead it's more like a weasel with sharp teeth.
I'll give it the benefit of the doubt though.
Quote from: salomonj on Mar 01, 2017, 06:02:24 AM
Quote from: CainsSon on Mar 01, 2017, 05:45:09 AM
Who is the dissected person on David's operating table ?!! Is it SHAW?! I dunno !
My guess is Shaw. But why Spoiler
kill her in the most horrid way possible after saving her in Prometheus?
Wouldn't exactly be a first for the series... 😏😡
I think the effects look great. On the big screen I bet they'll look even more impressive.
I'd be lying if I said effects bothered me though...*ahem*
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I'm not sure excusing bad effects with worse effects is a great strategy :P
Hd download link anyone? Sorry if I missed it.
They showed TOO MUCH.Im sure as hell ending of the trailer is probably at the end of the movie.Also how entire movie looks for now? Crew have some mission, they will meet something, David will know what is going on, first contact - infection, first victims, attempts of killing two Xeno like creatures, another dead bodies,and those creatures are killed too, new Alien that we see at the end of the trailer arrives, and then desperate attempts of saving their own butts (evacuation from the planet) only one,two or no one will survive.The End.
The alien does not look as biomechanical as the one from the first film, which is a real shame... :(
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Guys what is this ? :o
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Jesus christ!!! those engineer bodies at 1:57 DAMN!!
Dogtags E. Shaw confirmed.
The ending with the flying platform reminds me a lot of Prometheus ending.
Looking forward to the movie and to what it will bring us.
Quote from: Walter on Mar 01, 2017, 06:34:45 AM
Sorry but this CGI i doesn't look nice ???
https://68.media.tumblr.com/3871c589e574fe117502cd786da3e298/tumblr_om45unVoTa1vyvg1co2_540.gif
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The first one looks a bit poor if you concentrate on where he's holding the ship (shadows don't look realistic) but the second looks great.
Remember, the film is still over two months away from releasing, it's possible that the CG isn't totally finished yet. There seemed to be a shot near the end of the trailer (http://i.imgur.com/Q69Av5e.png) with a placeholder on a monitor which is likely awaiting some CG treatment.
The Xeno shown in the trailer actually reminded me a lot of the Xenomorph in Mortal Kombat X. Really muscular and organic-looking.
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There's no way around it, the CGI is pretty bad which is surprising since that has never been Ridley's weak point. However I hope they are still working on rendering and finalizing the effects, they still got three months... that is if post production i still going on.
I like the tone though, a nice mix between Prometheus, Alien and Aliens. What is also really cool to look at is the pace at wich the Xenos move. We haven't seen that in a Ridley Scott movie, so it's nice to see him playing with the physics of things.
I'm excited, not as pumped like I am for the Wolverine or Kong, but still, very much looking forward to this. Just get the effects ready on time, please.
Quote from: Walter on Mar 01, 2017, 06:34:45 AM
Sorry but this CGI i doesn't look nice ???
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The effects in the first one look like a video game sequence. The second one seems more polished which is why I'm hoping there is still VFX-work going on as of this moment.
Quote from: Walter on Mar 01, 2017, 09:42:52 AM
Guys what is this ? :o
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The gold is coming out of the sphere structure on top.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=svnAD0TApb8 here at 2:16
Quote from: Adorianu on Mar 01, 2017, 09:40:34 AM
They showed TOO MUCH.Im sure as hell ending of the trailer is probably at the end of the movie.Also how entire movie looks for now? Crew have some mission, they will meet something, David will know what is going on, first contact - infection, first victims, attempts of killing two Xeno like creatures, another dead bodies,and those creatures are killed too, new Alien that we see at the end of the trailer arrives, and then desperate attempts of saving their own butts (evacuation from the planet) only one,two or no one will survive.The End.
To be fair that is practically every single Alien film. But it can still be executed well and be creepy however showing the final creature in the trailer IN DAYLIGHT even is a spectacularly horrible idea
Quote from: Adorianu on Mar 01, 2017, 09:40:34 AM
They showed TOO MUCH.Im sure as hell ending of the trailer is probably at the end of the movie.Also how entire movie looks for now? Crew have some mission, they will meet something, David will know what is going on, first contact - infection, first victims, attempts of killing two Xeno like creatures, another dead bodies,and those creatures are killed too, new Alien that we see at the end of the trailer arrives, and then desperate attempts of saving their own butts (evacuation from the planet) only one,two or no one will survive.The End.
My guess is the Neomorph arrives first, wreaks havoc and is later killed by the Xeno, who will then be the main bad guy.
Quote from: MattFiler on Mar 01, 2017, 09:46:47 AM
Quote from: Walter on Mar 01, 2017, 06:34:45 AM
Sorry but this CGI i doesn't look nice ???
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The first one looks a bit poor if you concentrate on where he's holding the ship (shadows don't look realistic) but the second looks great.
Remember, the film is still over two months away from releasing, it's possible that the CG isn't totally finished yet. There seemed to be a shot near the end of the trailer (http://i.imgur.com/Q69Av5e.png) with a placeholder on a monitor which is likely awaiting some CG treatment.
The Xeno shown in the trailer actually reminded me a lot of the Xenomorph in Mortal Kombat X. Really muscular and organic-looking.
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The second one scares me more, the way it sits and from this part i can understand why this xeno is scary and you cant fight,
the guys in suits in Alien and Aliens didnt come across scary because of the slow movement and tech limitations,
now Ridley has a chance to bring the xeno in the way it should come, strong fierce fast and deadly.
When i watch Aliens i always thought ahh i can take them, if you put these things in their place you can understand why you cant run and win a fight with a xeno, and that makes the survivor theory around Ripley more credit worthy.
Quote from: MattFiler on Mar 01, 2017, 09:46:47 AM
The Xeno shown in the trailer actually reminded me a lot of the Xenomorph in Mortal Kombat X. Really muscular and organic-looking.
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I'd noticed that myself but it's not all of it. It's just something about the muscles around the shoulders. Otherwise no, I don't think it looks like the MK Alien. I quite like how spindly and slim it looks, despite also looking powerful.
Quote from: SM on Mar 01, 2017, 06:37:11 AM
Don't see a problem.
My thoughts exactly. Can see fault and potential for a brush up with the Alien bouncing wall to wall in the corridor glimpse, but I thought the exterior shots of the Alien on the ship looked fantastic. Almost got the sheen and feel of a model in the ADI workshop (which is a good thing cause they're real; I don't mean the Alien looks like the Resurrection warrior to clarify).
And initial impressions of the Alien are glorious. Spindly, skeletal and f**king huge, and the head looks great. Less bio-mechanical than I think a lot of us hoped for, but I'll take it as the primitive early incarnation of the beast it's being described as.
I just pray the logic holds up. Hope it's explained why they're helmetless on a far away planet.
I thought the trailer was pretty good. I just wish they didn't show the Xenomorph so clearly. Makes it much less scary.
I also don't like that the dogtag belongs to Shaw. She didn't have one in Prometheus. Why didn't they just use her cross? :-\
You can see clearly Xeno on bottom of ship
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I hate and love the trailer at the same time, but I guess they showed us way too much as well. The xeno in broad daylight is something I actually never wanted to see in an Alien movie. It has to lurk in the shadows and get you fast. But I do indeed get a nice Cape Fear vibe from the few shots we have seen and the creature looks and acts fairly furious and somewhat indestructible.
the neomorph appears to be indeed the same or at least very similar to that rendering we saw earlier in february and which was believed to be fan art. I'm okay with that, yet it probably won't be a favorite creature of mine.
could that person on the table in David's lab be Cudrup? We see him with a white longsleeve and a darker trouser in the trailer. Don't think it is Shaw and definitely too small for an engineer. And why would an Engineer wear a shirt? that hole is pretty big though.
I also like that David has apparently painted on cloth rather than paper, but what I really want to know is what is happening in that scene? it seems there are two people underneath the Alien fighting? I doubt it's David and Walter.
But after all of this paradise and colonization talk I am asking myself, where is the Covenant heading to in the first place? do we know this and why would you endanger a mission like this, with so many lives at stake to visit a completely unkown planet? you wouldn't try to save a burning house you came by with your family but call for professional emergeny.
The neomorph attacking the crew in the wheat field... is the one shot at the exploding ship or is part of a bunch of neomorphs coming from the citadel attracted by the noise? http://www.scified.com/media/neomorph-attack-64265.jpg ???
Quote from: Evanus on Mar 01, 2017, 10:00:22 AM
I thought the trailer was pretty good. I just wish they didn't show the Xenomorph so clearly. Makes it much less scary.
I also don't like that the dogtag belongs to Shaw. She didn't have one in Prometheus. Why didn't they just use her cross? :-\
remember the green crystal from Prometheus? Maybe they will change it or a later fan-edit has the patience to do this. And I am sure this community has enough genius crazies up for the task! :)
I don't know if anyone noticed, but when the cloacked figure fires that shot in the air, you can see an alien egg in the right side of the image. So, is that guy baiting them to come to the alien egg?
WOW, that trailer is incredible. One thing i noticed at 1:37, whats in the ceiling of the corridor behind the screaming running woman? there is deffo something there.
Quote from: Semaka on Mar 01, 2017, 10:10:53 AM
I don't know if anyone noticed, but when the cloacked figure fires that shot in the air, you can see an alien egg in the right side of the image. So, is that guy baiting them to come to the alien egg?
that's just a bush I'm afraid and probably Walter scaring the Neomroph away.
Quote from: dave1978 on Mar 01, 2017, 10:14:51 AM
WOW, that trailer is incredible. One thing i noticed at 1:37, whats in the ceiling of the corridor behind the screaming running woman? there is deffo something there.
the backburster Neomorph escaping from the locked room while jumping through the glass.
I don't know if anyone noticed, but this and leaked Photos are same Room - David's Laboratory
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Spoiler
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Frankenstein confirmed... :D
(https://i.imgur.com/8ZJ0sdA.png)
After all Ridley hinted that there will be some connections with Frankenstein; originally titled Frankenstein The Modern Prometheus
Great trailer but I do think it just basically showed us the final scene with the xenomorph there. Much like the Prometheus trailer showing us the ships crashing.
I'm going to reserve my judgement on the CGI until it's released. It's quite common these days for unfinished/unpolished CGI to be in the trailers and then a far better final product be in the released film.
Regardless, it has got me excited as hell!
Starting a rumor. That snarl at 1:53 sounds familiar :D
joking aside: I think the xeno is missing the famous biomechanical vibe. It's looks a bit too muscular in my opinion. But maybe that's just due to the fact that it is the "first iteration".
Great trailer. Such merciless ferocity... I love it. To quote our late Hudson:
"One express elevator to hell, going down!"
crap i cannot download or watch the new trailer right now. .maybe later today or tomorrow. .it sounds very promising tho based on the responce from most people in the community. .not worried about cgi. .as long as it does'nt look like a guy in a suit then i am sold. . .
Quote from: dlb on Mar 01, 2017, 10:17:25 AM
Quote from: Semaka on Mar 01, 2017, 10:10:53 AM
I don't know if anyone noticed, but when the cloacked figure fires that shot in the air, you can see an alien egg in the right side of the image. So, is that guy baiting them to come to the alien egg?
that's just a bush I'm afraid and probably Walter scaring the Neomroph away.
Quote from: dave1978 on Mar 01, 2017, 10:14:51 AM
WOW, that trailer is incredible. One thing i noticed at 1:37, whats in the ceiling of the corridor behind the screaming running woman? there is deffo something there.
the backburster Neomorph escaping from the locked room while jumping through the glass.
I still think that is David and not Walter.
(https://i.imgur.com/HkOp8DX.jpg)
That is not an Engineer....
Maybe it is Shaw, maybe someone from the crew...
I dont know ??? :P
I honestly think that this is, for me, the best looking Xenomorph since Aliens. Yeah it is a bit 'fleshy' but as we all know, this is a precursor. By all accounts.
Great trailer. Looks like someone is fighting with someone or something in the shot with the xeno about to jump from the roof in the David's lab.
Maybe one of thousands of dead engineers.
Neomorphs. :o
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Quote from: Infected on Mar 01, 2017, 10:44:04 AM
I still think that is David and not Walter.
yeah makes sense, as to why would Walter wear a cloak all of a sudden. guess we are seeing David's first encounter with the Covenant crew.
I think the body in Davids room is that of Cudrup, probably cut open after xeno birth. Then you see one guy grabbing for a gun on the ground while seemingly the other one trying to stop him. Could be David who wants to protect his new creation ???
most likely an engineer. .besides they can't all be the exact same size. .pretty sure they reproduce just like we do. .they small upon birth and grow into super sized udults. .thats most likely a juvenile or a female. .or it could be shaw. . At this stage who knows. .and i have'nt even seen the trailer yet. .just my ussumptions based on what i read on this post so far. . I am so dying to watch that damn trailor. .did it have to be released on this day when i cannot download. .
Quote from: Enoch on Mar 01, 2017, 10:53:36 AM
https://i.imgur.com/HkOp8DX.jpg
That is not an Engineer....
Maybe it is Shaw, maybe someone from the crew...
I dont know ??? :P
Things to note...
# The body has hair on its head, so not an Engineer ? (or at least not one of the ones from Prometheus).
# The flesh of the body is pasty and pale, so probably not Covenant crew as how would have it disscoloured so quickly ?.
So it is Shaw...
Quote from: Fatboy40 on Mar 01, 2017, 11:10:59 AM
Quote from: Enoch on Mar 01, 2017, 10:53:36 AM
https://i.imgur.com/HkOp8DX.jpg
That is not an Engineer....
Maybe it is Shaw, maybe someone from the crew...
I dont know ??? :P
Things to note...
# The body has hair on its head, so not an Engineer ? (or at least not one of the ones from Prometheus).
# The flesh of the body is pasty and pale, so probably not Covenant crew as how would have it disscoloured so quickly ?.
Other things...
# If it is Shaw then how come her body is not decomposed?? Maybe he recently experimented on her.
# It may be female as i am seeing what look like where female breasts would be.
Quote from: Pvt. Himmel on Mar 01, 2017, 11:14:46 AM
Quote from: Fatboy40 on Mar 01, 2017, 11:10:59 AM
Quote from: Enoch on Mar 01, 2017, 10:53:36 AM
https://i.imgur.com/HkOp8DX.jpg
That is not an Engineer....
Maybe it is Shaw, maybe someone from the crew...
I dont know ??? :P
Things to note...
# The body has hair on its head, so not an Engineer ? (or at least not one of the ones from Prometheus).
# The flesh of the body is pasty and pale, so probably not Covenant crew as how would have it disscoloured so quickly ?.
Other things...
# If it is Shaw then how come her body is not decomposed?? Maybe he recently experimented on her.
# It may be female as i am seeing what look like where female breasts would be.
Does not look like a grown up to me....
Look at the size of the open ampule next to it.
https://twitter.com/trailertrack/status/836895392495206402 (https://twitter.com/trailertrack/status/836895392495206402)
QuoteGood chance that yes, there is. if not - it's 100% in theatres with #Logan stateside.
**Added the quote Himmel**
Quote from: Enoch on Mar 01, 2017, 10:53:36 AM
https://i.imgur.com/HkOp8DX.jpg
That is not an Engineer....
Maybe it is Shaw, maybe someone from the crew...
I dont know ??? :P
Could be Shaw.
but also could be Billy the captain who gets facehugged when looking in the egg,
the xeno is almost fully grown when they are still in the citadel as you can see from the scene,
so or there will be two of them or that one is just hard to kill.
Either way something was inside that human.
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Quote from: locusta on Mar 01, 2017, 11:18:29 AM
Quote from: Pvt. Himmel on Mar 01, 2017, 11:14:46 AM
Quote from: Fatboy40 on Mar 01, 2017, 11:10:59 AM
Quote from: Enoch on Mar 01, 2017, 10:53:36 AM
https://i.imgur.com/HkOp8DX.jpg
That is not an Engineer....
Maybe it is Shaw, maybe someone from the crew...
I dont know ??? :P
Things to note...
# The body has hair on its head, so not an Engineer ? (or at least not one of the ones from Prometheus).
# The flesh of the body is pasty and pale, so probably not Covenant crew as how would have it disscoloured so quickly ?.
Other things...
# If it is Shaw then how come her body is not decomposed?? Maybe he recently experimented on her.
# It may be female as i am seeing what look like where female breasts would be.
Does not look like a grown up to me....
Look at the size of the open ampule next to it.
Shaw wasnt that big/tall.
Big improvement on the first trailer. Appears to have a nice balance between slasher/horror and action/ adventure. Loving the look of David's character, fallen angel indeed. Better to reign in hell, than serve in heaven hey David.
I personally think its good to see a sleeker and more graceful xeno in AC; something closer to what Giger and Scott originally envisioned.
I really liked Creative Assembly's re-imagining of the Big Chap in Alien Isolation, with its more animalistic legs, giving it more power and grace in movement. Scott always wanted the Alien to look sleeker and be more graceful. He often bemoaned the fact that latex in the 70s added too much bulk, and how in an ideal world, the latex would have been as thin as a contraceptive.
Giger also wanted the Alien slimmer and more feminine. The build of his Necronomicon IV is how he wanted the creature to appear, but with the technology of the time, it simply wasn't possible to achieve.
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Nice trailer... especially in the final shot of the trailer, the Alien looks very menacing. It seriously looks like it wants to kill everything around it. I would defo Run from this beast, forget about hiding from it... From the tiny clips we have seen, It obviously has the Look of the classic 70's xeno... but im also getting the vibe of the animalistic nature of the runner from Alien3.
Anyhow nice trailer.
Quote from: Walter on Mar 01, 2017, 11:30:41 AM
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Not sure, if I like the look of the dorsal spines pointing forward that much in crawling pose.
Got to admit it looks really interesting, i was wary of CGI Xeno's but for the sequence in the trailer i can completely understand
Danny McBride to the rescue lol
Quote from: Gorilla from Manila on Mar 01, 2017, 10:34:51 AM
Starting a rumor. That snarl at 1:53 sounds familiar :D
joking aside: I think the xeno is missing the famous biomechanical vibe. It's looks a bit too muscular in my opinion. But maybe that's just due to the fact that it is the "first iteration".
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I think Scott's end game here may be to merge David with them and give them that vibe we know from original. I just hope David is not the one actually creating the first one but as someone very insightful on this board once suggested recreating them as if man was recreating dinosaurs
Quote from: Enoch on Mar 01, 2017, 10:53:36 AM
https://i.imgur.com/HkOp8DX.jpg
That is not an Engineer....
Maybe it is Shaw, maybe someone from the crew...
I dont know ??? :P
Spoiler
I think whatever is done to Shaw is something like Ripleys in A:R. The leaks said he conducted experiments on her but only recently is successful
Quote from: Infected on Mar 01, 2017, 11:20:04 AM
Quote from: Enoch on Mar 01, 2017, 10:53:36 AM
https://i.imgur.com/HkOp8DX.jpg
That is not an Engineer....
Maybe it is Shaw, maybe someone from the crew...
I dont know ??? :P
Could be Shaw.
but also could be Billy the captain who gets facehugged when looking in the egg,
the xeno is almost fully grown when they are still in the citadel as you can see from the scene,
so or there will be two of them or that one is just hard to kill.
Either way something was inside that human.
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Those are petrified Aliens there among Engineers right? It did look like that on set pics
https://s4.postimg.org/r8412r8vh/ezgif_com_gif_maker.gif
Is that from a game ?
That is most highly likely probably definitely Shaw. Hey, look at that, she grew a vagina for a chest. She was pumped full of holloway's mutated seed... obviously something else besides the trilobite made her it's temporary home.
Quote from: harlequinade on Mar 01, 2017, 11:54:36 AM
Quote from: Gorilla from Manila on Mar 01, 2017, 10:34:51 AM
Starting a rumor. That snarl at 1:53 sounds familiar :D
joking aside: I think the xeno is missing the famous biomechanical vibe. It's looks a bit too muscular in my opinion. But maybe that's just due to the fact that it is the "first iteration".
Spoiler
I think Scott's end game here may be to merge David with them and give them that vibe we know from original. I just hope David is not the one actually creating the first one but as someone very insightful on this board once suggested recreating them as if man was recreating dinosaurs
Quote from: Enoch on Mar 01, 2017, 10:53:36 AM
https://i.imgur.com/HkOp8DX.jpg
That is not an Engineer....
Maybe it is Shaw, maybe someone from the crew...
I dont know ??? :P
Spoiler
I think whatever is done to Shaw is something like Ripleys in A:R. The leaks said he conducted experiments on her but only recently is successful
Quote from: Infected on Mar 01, 2017, 11:20:04 AM
Quote from: Enoch on Mar 01, 2017, 10:53:36 AM
https://i.imgur.com/HkOp8DX.jpg
That is not an Engineer....
Maybe it is Shaw, maybe someone from the crew...
I dont know ??? :P
Could be Shaw.
but also could be Billy the captain who gets facehugged when looking in the egg,
the xeno is almost fully grown when they are still in the citadel as you can see from the scene,
so or there will be two of them or that one is just hard to kill.
Either way something was inside that human.
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Those are petrified Aliens there among Engineers right? It did look like that on set pics
I dont know, im still in doubt with that, it could be just the pose that make or made it look like there was some xeno type presence/activity.
I think its a genocide from David towards the engineers, and from Ridley's point of view to show how ruthless he has become,
and the focus is gonna be on David, so pulling out that conclusion it might seem to head towards David being the creator of it all,
wich is for most fans the worst case scenario of the whole engineer/jockey mystery.
Those are petrified aliens, even in the other set pics you could see "something" that was not an engineer. The petrified look could be, well I would assume it was from an engineers doomsday cure for the black goo, should something go awry. If they have the power to create they surely have the power to destroy.
Still doesn't any one find the similarities between the city and the temples on lv-223 interesting. They look the same aside from rocks in Prometheus there is petrified engineers in Covenant. Same round dome, wall, statues... almost like a time warp.
Quote from: locusta on Mar 01, 2017, 11:46:55 AM
Quote from: Walter on Mar 01, 2017, 11:30:41 AM
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Not sure, if I like the look of the dorsal spines pointing forward that much in crawling pose.
I'm just glad that we're back to the smaller tail... getting rid of those ankylosaurus-vibes from the AvP movies. ;D
Regarding the fleshiness, Scott always said the Alien collected host traits successively. So what we saw in Alien was Alien, Jockey, human.
Quote from: whiterabbit on Mar 01, 2017, 12:11:01 PM
Those are petrified aliens, even in the other set pics you could see "something" that was not an engineer. The petrified look could be, well I would assume it was from an engineers doomsday cure for the black goo, should something go awry. If they have the power to create they surely have the power to destroy.
Still doesn't any one find the similarities between the city and the temples on lv-223. They look the same aside from rocks in Prometheus there is petrified engineers instead. Same round dome, wall, statues... almost like a time warp.
So doesn't that negate
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David creating them if they are already there when he arrives? I think he wants to re-create them and isn't behind the very first one
Quote from: SiL on Mar 01, 2017, 12:11:40 PM
Regarding the fleshiness, Scott always said the Alien collected host traits successively. So what we saw in Alien was Alien, Jockey, human.
Actually, that's a good question, after all, where does this alien lead... I mean it could be a dead end. However for it to be apart of the life cycle it has to reproduce right? Otherwise there's no alien, jockey, human thing. At least not with this human born alien.
Quote from: whiterabbit on Mar 01, 2017, 12:11:01 PM
Those are petrified aliens, even in the other set pics you could see "something" that was not an engineer. The petrified look could be, well I would assume it was from an engineers doomsday cure for the black goo, should something go awry. If they have the power to create they surely have the power to destroy.
Still doesn't any one find the similarities between the city and the temples on lv-223 interesting. They look the same aside from rocks in Prometheus there is petrified engineers in Covenant. Same round dome, wall, statues... almost like a time warp.
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi64.tinypic.com%2F315cyo8.jpg&hash=7099d6bffc6796126418fd1d728d5a7d01c50cc5)
You mean this? you can see two things in this, one: the rapid infection of the black goo dropped on them and attacking each other before being totally obliterated by it.
Two: a xeno head type engineer (if you choose to ignore the arm of the engineer)
It appears to be crushing the arm of the engineer. I assume that is the mutation effect of the black goo. That oddly shaped head. All assuming that it is David that goos them.
The alien could be all that is left on the planet. I mean that would surely peak Davids curiosity. Dropping something on a world that was supposed to annihilate everything but instead a single form of life survived. The spore pod neomorphs. That could be the form of the alien before David started to f**k with them.
I wouldn't put it pass david to combine his very self with that of the alien to create a perfect creature, in his own mind.
Much more positive on this movie having seen that new trailer. Can't wait to see it now.
Quote from: Infected on Mar 01, 2017, 12:19:05 PM
Quote from: whiterabbit on Mar 01, 2017, 12:11:01 PM
Those are petrified aliens, even in the other set pics you could see "something" that was not an engineer. The petrified look could be, well I would assume it was from an engineers doomsday cure for the black goo, should something go awry. If they have the power to create they surely have the power to destroy.
Still doesn't any one find the similarities between the city and the temples on lv-223 interesting. They look the same aside from rocks in Prometheus there is petrified engineers in Covenant. Same round dome, wall, statues... almost like a time warp.
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi64.tinypic.com%2F315cyo8.jpg&hash=7099d6bffc6796126418fd1d728d5a7d01c50cc5)
You mean this? you can see two things in this, one: the rapid infection of the black goo dropped on them and attacking each other before being totally obliterated by it.
Two: a xeno head type engineer (if you choose to ignore the arm of the engineer)
oh...yeah I can't ignore the arm now:)
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I can't help but think avatar, alien style when I see that tail. Almost as if it was done on purpose. :P
So when does the red-band trailer arrive?
We already had one.
Yes, but I thought there was going to be a new one..?
No idea. I'd assumed this was the one being shown with Logan and therefore is the new trailer that's been promised.
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Quote from: Infected on Mar 01, 2017, 12:02:45 PM
...and the focus is gonna be on David, so pulling out that conclusion it might seem to head towards David being the creator of it all,
wich is for most fans the worst case scenario of the whole engineer/jockey mystery.
Straying away from the Space Jockey mystery is what undermined - to a certain level - the story told in Prometheus to me. Arriving at the 'David's creatures and where to find them' type of story five years later might be even more unsatisfying.
Don't get me wrong, it's fascinating to explore how someone with the mind, completely different from yours, ticks and Fassbender has given so much 'flesh' to his role. However hinging the plot around the android and using him as a link between two movies outstrips the significance of other characters together, being used mainly for body countdown effect. Wasn't so hyped about Shaw, but I still hope we either see her at some point alive or learn she had a decent end.
Great trailer by the way! Even the flexible dorsal tubes are growing on me- this way Alien can move nimbly without breaking them or getting stuck in the places where it cannot fit :-)
The CGI of Alien is fine but that of her, when you see it in gif form... O_o
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Mar 01, 2017, 12:49:57 PM
We already had one.
Yes, we've got the green-band one. The red is presumably going to be aired tomorrow ;)
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Mar 01, 2017, 12:51:58 PM
No idea. I'd assumed this was the one being shown with Logan and therefore is the new trailer that's been promised.
There's a green and red version of this one. Presumably it'll come online later today when it was originally intended to.
Loved the movement of the Alien in the corridor, really frightening. I think this looks a lot better than the previous trailer.
Also I did think the dialog that was given at the end of Last Supper and again at the start of this trailer sounded far more polished than what we saw in Last Supper. So not surprised to see it make an appearance here.
So far, liking what I'm seeing.
This confirms it. http://digitalcinema.bydeluxe.com/site/dlxportal/docs/TrailMix_by_Deluxe-_WK_9_US.pdf (http://digitalcinema.bydeluxe.com/site/dlxportal/docs/TrailMix_by_Deluxe-_WK_9_US.pdf)
Although I can't imagine more than a couple of seconds of footage differing from the green band trailer, if the Logan trailers are any indication of the differences.
So, how did David get a new body again? 😉
Has the trailer been screencapped fully yet?
Quote from: Rankles75 on Mar 01, 2017, 01:13:59 PM
So, how did David get a new body again? 😉
Probably his old body, retrieved by Shaw before they flew off.
Quote from: hfeldhaus on Mar 01, 2017, 01:16:11 PM
Has the trailer been screencapped fully yet?
Not yet. Darkness will likely do it when he gets chance. He's got some fancy software that does it.
Quote from: Beardomorph on Mar 01, 2017, 01:10:57 PM
Although I can't imagine more than a couple of seconds of footage differing from the green band trailer, if the Logan trailers are any indication of the differences.
I really doubt they'll be any major differences either.
Oh wow, I hadn't loved at first how
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the citadel was surrounded by the mummified Engineers. That's going to be an awesome set-piece. :o
Those two last shots of the xeno are a beautiful thing to behold in gif form - it's amazing how far things have come in just the last decade (although I agree it doesn't look quite so hot in the long shots - almost like the AvP aliens clambering over that pyramid).
As Hicks said, the character animation conveys something supple but strong - as if its strength derives from the sheer span of its muscles.
People have said that it looks weightless? To me that is a realistic depiction of wind resistance encountered from clinging onto a spaceship spiraling several hundred feet in the air.
I would not be surprised if the two close-up shots in question were achieved with CG modelling over bunraku-esque puppetry, as they did with the Deacon shot in Prometheus.
Weirdly though, the red corridor shot did seem weightless, evoking the feel of ropey CG models of movies past, even if they were clearly going for the skittering insectoids of Aliens.
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Mar 01, 2017, 01:16:58 PM
Quote from: Rankles75 on Mar 01, 2017, 01:13:59 PM
So, how did David get a new body again? 😉
Probably his old body, retrieved by Shaw before they flew off.
Quote from: hfeldhaus on Mar 01, 2017, 01:16:11 PM
Has the trailer been screencapped fully yet?
Not yet. Darkness will likely do it when he gets chance. He's got some fancy software that does it.
Quote from: Beardomorph on Mar 01, 2017, 01:10:57 PM
Although I can't imagine more than a couple of seconds of footage differing from the green band trailer, if the Logan trailers are any indication of the differences.
I really doubt they'll be any major differences either.
Not sure I'd be giving him his body back after the shit he pulled, personally... :)
I think I'm sending myself a little crazy re-watching this second trailer as I'm now convincing myself that the hooded/robed figure is actually Shaw.
I could be completely and utterly wrong, but there's just something about the action of the gun being raised ... I can't even explain it.
Has it been discussed/verified/shown that there is actually a "David" in any of the clips or stills, as I can only ever remember seeing a "Walter"?
The "looking down scene" of the Alien on the ceiling and the open chest cavity below is the one image I take from this trailer as being the most interesting, so far.
The anticipation levels have now increased even more, if that were possible,
Scott can not be trusted, once more. The fact so much has been given away in a 2:30 trailer just as it happened before with prometheus irremediably points in toward that possibility. Yes, the trailer is very cool and all that, but so was the trailer of prometheus back in the day, and look what happened eventually.
Also, so underwhelming to finally see that we won't be rolling back to the old human-like behaviour/way of moving around displayed by first alien. We are again given an animal alien, no matter it spawns from a human host. The so called Neomorph seems to display same animal behaviour/way of moving as well, when it could have been an incredibly disturbing thing to see this thing moving like humans, or just like the first alien did. It also doesn't seem fully grown to me. It's small.
It was making it like a human what it was truly disturbing, scary and mysterious too after all, not the other way around.
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Mar 01, 2017, 01:07:36 PMThere's a green and red version of this one. Presumably it'll come online later today when it was originally intended to.
Ah, fair enough! I stand corrected.
Shaw is probably going to be this films (TFA) Luke Skywalker.
Quote from: Tangakkai on Mar 01, 2017, 09:53:23 AM
Quote from: Adorianu on Mar 01, 2017, 09:40:34 AM
They showed TOO MUCH.Im sure as hell ending of the trailer is probably at the end of the movie.Also how entire movie looks for now? Crew have some mission, they will meet something, David will know what is going on, first contact - infection, first victims, attempts of killing two Xeno like creatures, another dead bodies,and those creatures are killed too, new Alien that we see at the end of the trailer arrives, and then desperate attempts of saving their own butts (evacuation from the planet) only one,two or no one will survive.The End.
My guess is the Neomorph arrives first, wreaks havoc and is later killed by the Xeno, who will then be the main bad guy.
You are talking about the alien we see at the end of the trailer? then its not Neomorph but Protomorph.First we will get two white aliens that are called Neomorphs,they will be back and throat bursters and then Protomorph will arrive and he will have the bigger role,we see him in the trailer,Xenomorph probably will be created at the end of the movie,from android,thats why he will have biomechanical parts.
Quote from: harlequinade on Mar 01, 2017, 09:52:08 AM
Quote from: Adorianu on Mar 01, 2017, 09:40:34 AM
They showed TOO MUCH.Im sure as hell ending of the trailer is probably at the end of the movie.Also how entire movie looks for now? Crew have some mission, they will meet something, David will know what is going on, first contact - infection, first victims, attempts of killing two Xeno like creatures, another dead bodies,and those creatures are killed too, new Alien that we see at the end of the trailer arrives, and then desperate attempts of saving their own butts (evacuation from the planet) only one,two or no one will survive.The End.
To be fair that is practically every single Alien film. But it can still be executed well and be creepy however showing the final creature in the trailer IN DAYLIGHT even is a spectacularly horrible idea
But this looks too much like Prometheus but this time with aliens...Not to mention they showed alien in the trailer too much,some are joking we see more alien in this trailer than alien in the first movie ;P
Eh, the marketing and the the leaked plot really don't make me optimistic about this or future films. I mean it's bad if even before seeing the movie I know where all of this is going
Spoiler
Scott wants David to turns on humans, his creators and then he creates xeno which turns on him creating the xeno from first movie. The worst part is if they are this lazy with marketing I'm sure they are this lazy with the rest and didn't change all that much from the leaked plot
I just hope acting and atmosphere is fantastic because this could save this story
Quote from: harlequinade on Mar 01, 2017, 02:14:27 PM
Eh, the marketing and the the leaked plot really don't make me optimistic about this or future films. I mean it's bad if even before seeing the movie I know where all of this is going
Spoiler
Scott wants David to turns on humans, his creators and then he creates xeno which turns on him creating the xeno from first movie. The worst part is if they are this lazy with marketing I'm sure they are this lazy with the rest and didn't change all that much from the leaked plot
I just hope acting and atmosphere is fantastic because this could save this story
From this trailer that showed a lot i think leaked story is probably true.Even without leak after this trailer you could predict how movie will look like.
Voted for Awesome! Better than the first.
Don't understand the nagging about the CGI. Especially the last Alien looks great. And i am not a CGI-fan.
And i like the story too. What else could it be?
I think it will be epic and grand.
So i did not really enjoy this much.
To be honest, i'm feeling less and less excited for this movie.
my criticism lies more or less here, mainly for the trailer, but additionaly for the movie too
A) i dont like the hippie tone introduction of the crew. above all, i think the ship's crew should be more objective and less part of 'seeding' the planet.
B) i dont like waterston's daniels. she reminds me of the annoying 'super positive' yet 'super sensitive' classmate that wants to be a boy
C) i dont feel much vibe coming off from the cast. James Franco is one of the few, but well....i won't spoiler that.
D) i hate the alien-headsmacking on the windshield of the lander
E) i don't like at all how the alien looks when it's on top of the lander's windshield. it looks weird, CGI, and really, just bad.
F) i don't like the repetitive use of the redband trailer footage
G) the music used for the trailer was annoying in every way
H) again, i can't mention how much i was annoyed she was effin crying in the trailer
I ) I HATE how the neomorph looks
also:
the dogtag IS THAT OF SHAW?! thats BS right there. it has her name!
https://twitter.com/WinterJolt/status/836843720049897472 (https://twitter.com/WinterJolt/status/836843720049897472)
Absolutely amazing...looks terrifying and intense...gonna be up there with the first two alien movies no doubt!!
Quote from: cliffhanger on Mar 01, 2017, 02:32:58 PM
the dogtag IS THAT OF SHAW?! thats BS right there. it has her name!
Christ, i had to double take on that, yea it clearly says.
DR. E. SHAW on it.
I think that is the closest to the original design of "Kane's son" you will ever get, so i don't have to moan for a change.
Showing this protomorph in the day light with those CGI was bad idea for me,where is mystery and more subtle stuff.
So much better than the first trailer...
I can't believe I'm saying this, 'cause I'm a biomech whore, but I'm really digging the alien...
And the way it moves! It has a sort of flow to it that strikes me as otherworldly...
I like...
i disagree. it looks much different.
very long fingers.
i hate the eyesockets, they are lower, and wider positioned, and the 'dome' on the head looks like it's 'floppy' and caving into the sockets.
it has much thinner arms and legs, and a much wider chest area, the dorsal spikes on the back are positioned much wider, the tail looks
much much different and very thin, it has very fleshy arms, neck and face area, and it acts much more animal-like and uncalculated.
'big chap' was much more calculated, much more biomechanical, and looked to me much more menacing.
i know i'm being all negative about it but its just how i feel and see it. hugely disappoint.
The Protomorph looks too much like an insect, in my opinion. I also don't like how you can see it so clearly. But, it does look creepy.
NEW
Quote from: cliffhanger on Mar 01, 2017, 03:15:18 PM'big chap' was much more calculated, much more biomechanical, and looked to me much more menacing.
I always thought the original looked kinda silly when you finally saw it was just a guy in a suit - Scott kept it hidden for the majority of the film for a reason. So I love the more spindly design they've gone for here.
Quote from: Evanus on Mar 01, 2017, 03:16:18 PMThe Protomorph looks too much like an insect, in my opinion. I also don't like how you can see it so clearly.
I'd hardly say you see it clearly. It's briefly glimpsed thrashing about.
I'll reserve judgment for the final film, as I've learned not to trust trailers. That said, this trailer does nothing to assuage my feelings about this film. It looks like a story we've seen a thousand times before, and the CGI looks like hot garbage.
So how long between Covenant and Prometheus do we think? Shaw's ship looks pretty overgrown, so unless David has her tucked up in stasis somewhere, she's probably long gone.
And I guess the company must have been up to its old tricks. I mean, what are the odds of finding Shaw's planet - and Shaw's ship - purely by chance?
The presence of wheat means Shaw could have survived on the planet with David.
Spoiler
Plus she has her own "bedroom" in the citadel, so she must have been alive for some time.
Quote from: Rudiger on Mar 01, 2017, 03:28:49 PM
So how long between Covenant and Prometheus do we think? Shaw's ship looks pretty overgrown, so unless David has her tucked up in stasis somewhere, she's probably long gone.
And I guess the company must have been up to its old tricks. I mean, what are the odds of finding Shaw's planet - and Shaw's ship - purely by chance?
i guess you've missed a lot.
they dont find shaws planet, they recieve a message or a signal and go there instead.
and it's been confirmed 10 years between prometheus and covenant.
Soooo... David makes the alien?
How did the egg come?
And if he made them, and the egg, then what does that do to the canon of the Queen?
How'd the eggs get on the original ship in Alien? By David?
Obviously these are unanswered, but if it's true David made them, it diminishes the importance and need of the queen. The idea of, "hey I have some goo, I'll play around with it and conveniently make this egg that turns into a xeno and can mutate into a queen," is ridiculous.
Didn't Ridley say in the past when he wanted to get away from linking up to Alien that the classic xeno (Covenant's now proto?) has been done to death on the big screen and that the scare Factor has gone for the big old chap? If true im ok with it being showed in full in daylight in this trailer because I'm getting the impression that the Neomorphs will be the scary ones that Scott wants to shock the audience with. Just a guess but I'm thinking This Proto alien will be the red herring of this movie. But I have to say I love what Scott has done with the classic/proto alien it looks evil.
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Quote from: Infected on Mar 01, 2017, 12:02:45 PM
...and the focus is gonna be on David, so pulling out that conclusion it might seem to head towards David being the creator of it all,
wich is for most fans the worst case scenario of the whole engineer/jockey mystery.
Straying away from the Space Jockey mystery is what undermined - to a certain level - the story told in Prometheus to me. Arriving at the 'David's creatures and where to find them' type of story five years later might be even more unsatisfying.
Don't get me wrong, it's fascinating to explore how someone with the mind, completely different from yours, ticks and Fassbender has given so much 'flesh' to his role. However hinging the plot around the android and using him as a link between two movies outstrips the significance of other characters together, being used mainly for body countdown effect. Wasn't so hyped about Shaw, but I still hope we either see her at some point alive or learn she had a decent end.
Great trailer by the way! Even the flexible dorsal tubes are growing on me- this way Alien can move nimbly without breaking them or getting stuck in the places where it cannot fit :-)
I agree on that, the part that holded everything together as a mystery was ripped apart by the outcome of the so called space jockey aka the engineer, it was proof or just stupidity to not understand your own franchise and mystery, to me the jockey scene in Alien before Prometheus, was maybe even more important then the whole xenomorph stuff.
And then building on Fassbender because he was magnificent in Prometheus as David is imo another flaw and another stupid choice,
and therefor not understanding your own franchise and the mystery that holds it together.
If you go on what i just said you can expect a good movie but it will not deliver us fans of what we hope and want from the franchise,
most likely a lot of superficial action survival horror with non to little in depth of Shaw and the engineers.
Im not dissing the movie but lets not expect much of the things we waited 30 years for.
Quote from: hfeldhaus on Mar 01, 2017, 03:34:40 PM
The presence of wheat means Shaw could have survived on the planet with David.
Spoiler
Plus she has her own "bedroom" in the citadel, so she must have been alive for some time.
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2F68.media.tumblr.com%2F15d353ce5ac97bb5bf351aca460d449a%2Ftumblr_o3bii124QC1qdla50o1_250.gif&hash=98e80c0cf78927ab989df2c3fe0ed3bbed9761cc)
oh, this is gonna be so creepy.
Quote from: Infected on Mar 01, 2017, 04:06:17 PM
Quote from: aliennaire on Mar 01, 2017, 12:56:17 PM
Quote from: Infected on Mar 01, 2017, 12:02:45 PM
...and the focus is gonna be on David, so pulling out that conclusion it might seem to head towards David being the creator of it all,
wich is for most fans the worst case scenario of the whole engineer/jockey mystery.
Straying away from the Space Jockey mystery is what undermined - to a certain level - the story told in Prometheus to me. Arriving at the 'David's creatures and where to find them' type of story five years later might be even more unsatisfying.
Don't get me wrong, it's fascinating to explore how someone with the mind, completely different from yours, ticks and Fassbender has given so much 'flesh' to his role. However hinging the plot around the android and using him as a link between two movies outstrips the significance of other characters together, being used mainly for body countdown effect. Wasn't so hyped about Shaw, but I still hope we either see her at some point alive or learn she had a decent end.
Great trailer by the way! Even the flexible dorsal tubes are growing on me- this way Alien can move nimbly without breaking them or getting stuck in the places where it cannot fit :-)
I agree on that, the part that holded everything together as a mystery was ripped apart by the outcome of the so called space jockey aka the engineer, it was proof or just stupidity to not understand your own franchise and mystery, to me the jockey scene in Alien before Prometheus, was maybe even more important then the whole xenomorph stuff.
And then building on Fassbender because he was magnificent in Prometheus as David is imo another flaw and another stupid choice,
and therefor not understanding your own franchise and the mystery that holds it together.
If you go on what i just said you can expect a good movie but it will not deliver us fans of what we hope and want from the franchise,
most likely a lot of superficial action survival horror with non to little in depth of Shaw and the engineers.
Im not dissing the movie but lets not expect much of the things we waited 30 years for.
These things are not mutually exclusive. It's entirely possible that Scott can deliver a good, well crafted action/thriller that some fans may not like. He doesn't really owe the previous films, or fandom, anything. I assume he's just trying to make a film that can entertain general audiences. Alien Covenant will stand or fall on how good a film it is, rather than how well it adhears to fans expectations.
Quote from: Perfect-Organism on Mar 01, 2017, 06:48:09 AM
First trailer came out on Christmas, then we had James Franco jesus in a "Last Supper" viral video, and now this comes out on Ash Wednesday? Are you kidding me? Are we then going to get another trailer on Good Friday or Easter? WTF! As a Caholic, I feel insulted that there's an obvious connection to something sacred. It's disrespectful. I really enjoy the Alien series but I'm tired of this innuendo that there is a Jesus - Alien connection.
I have to say, the CGI alien doesn't look so good. Also seeing the alien in broad daylight makes it even worse. I'm trying to keep an open mind, but the British Columbia forest scenery for an Alien homeworld is just wrong. I get that it may make sense for the plot, but it's not working for me. I know they can't hear any animals of any sort, but I half expect some ewoks to come out of the woodworks here.
I'm trying to remain optimistic, but damn...
im a catholic as well, just got my ashes heh, and I don't have a problem with it at all. Religious symbolism has always been apart of the Alien series and pretty much all of sci fi tbh.
Quote from: Darth Vile on Mar 01, 2017, 04:33:17 PM
Quote from: Infected on Mar 01, 2017, 04:06:17 PM
Quote from: aliennaire on Mar 01, 2017, 12:56:17 PM
Quote from: Infected on Mar 01, 2017, 12:02:45 PM
...and the focus is gonna be on David, so pulling out that conclusion it might seem to head towards David being the creator of it all,
wich is for most fans the worst case scenario of the whole engineer/jockey mystery.
Straying away from the Space Jockey mystery is what undermined - to a certain level - the story told in Prometheus to me. Arriving at the 'David's creatures and where to find them' type of story five years later might be even more unsatisfying.
Don't get me wrong, it's fascinating to explore how someone with the mind, completely different from yours, ticks and Fassbender has given so much 'flesh' to his role. However hinging the plot around the android and using him as a link between two movies outstrips the significance of other characters together, being used mainly for body countdown effect. Wasn't so hyped about Shaw, but I still hope we either see her at some point alive or learn she had a decent end.
Great trailer by the way! Even the flexible dorsal tubes are growing on me- this way Alien can move nimbly without breaking them or getting stuck in the places where it cannot fit :-)
I agree on that, the part that holded everything together as a mystery was ripped apart by the outcome of the so called space jockey aka the engineer, it was proof or just stupidity to not understand your own franchise and mystery, to me the jockey scene in Alien before Prometheus, was maybe even more important then the whole xenomorph stuff.
And then building on Fassbender because he was magnificent in Prometheus as David is imo another flaw and another stupid choice,
and therefor not understanding your own franchise and the mystery that holds it together.
If you go on what i just said you can expect a good movie but it will not deliver us fans of what we hope and want from the franchise,
most likely a lot of superficial action survival horror with non to little in depth of Shaw and the engineers.
Im not dissing the movie but lets not expect much of the things we waited 30 years for.
These things are not mutually exclusive. It's entirely possible that Scott can deliver a good, well crafted action/thriller that some fans may not like. He doesn't really owe the previous films, or fandom, anything. I assume he's just trying to make a film that can entertain general audiences. Alien Covenant will stand or fall on how good a film it is, rather than how well it adhears to fans expectations.
oh im sure Covenant will be a good movie, and will be one of my favs.
But none the less its George Lucas and his prequels all over again.
Quote from: harlequinade on Mar 01, 2017, 04:12:49 PM
Quote from: hfeldhaus on Mar 01, 2017, 03:34:40 PM
The presence of wheat means Shaw could have survived on the planet with David.
Spoiler
Plus she has her own "bedroom" in the citadel, so she must have been alive for some time.
http://68.media.tumblr.com/15d353ce5ac97bb5bf351aca460d449a/tumblr_o3bii124QC1qdla50o1_250.gif
oh, this is gonna be so creepy.
no, the presence of wheat shows that engineers lived there, which share the same dna as humans, so its rather logical that they also use wheat.
Quote from: Infected on Mar 01, 2017, 04:46:24 PM
Quote from: Darth Vile on Mar 01, 2017, 04:33:17 PM
Quote from: Infected on Mar 01, 2017, 04:06:17 PM
Quote from: aliennaire on Mar 01, 2017, 12:56:17 PM
Quote from: Infected on Mar 01, 2017, 12:02:45 PM
...and the focus is gonna be on David, so pulling out that conclusion it might seem to head towards David being the creator of it all,
wich is for most fans the worst case scenario of the whole engineer/jockey mystery.
Straying away from the Space Jockey mystery is what undermined - to a certain level - the story told in Prometheus to me. Arriving at the 'David's creatures and where to find them' type of story five years later might be even more unsatisfying.
Don't get me wrong, it's fascinating to explore how someone with the mind, completely different from yours, ticks and Fassbender has given so much 'flesh' to his role. However hinging the plot around the android and using him as a link between two movies outstrips the significance of other characters together, being used mainly for body countdown effect. Wasn't so hyped about Shaw, but I still hope we either see her at some point alive or learn she had a decent end.
Great trailer by the way! Even the flexible dorsal tubes are growing on me- this way Alien can move nimbly without breaking them or getting stuck in the places where it cannot fit :-)
I agree on that, the part that holded everything together as a mystery was ripped apart by the outcome of the so called space jockey aka the engineer, it was proof or just stupidity to not understand your own franchise and mystery, to me the jockey scene in Alien before Prometheus, was maybe even more important then the whole xenomorph stuff.
And then building on Fassbender because he was magnificent in Prometheus as David is imo another flaw and another stupid choice,
and therefor not understanding your own franchise and the mystery that holds it together.
If you go on what i just said you can expect a good movie but it will not deliver us fans of what we hope and want from the franchise,
most likely a lot of superficial action survival horror with non to little in depth of Shaw and the engineers.
Im not dissing the movie but lets not expect much of the things we waited 30 years for.
These things are not mutually exclusive. It's entirely possible that Scott can deliver a good, well crafted action/thriller that some fans may not like. He doesn't really owe the previous films, or fandom, anything. I assume he's just trying to make a film that can entertain general audiences. Alien Covenant will stand or fall on how good a film it is, rather than how well it adhears to fans expectations.
oh im sure Covenant will be a good movie, and will be one of my favs.
But none the less its George Lucas and his prequels all over again.
Well personally speaking, I'd sooner have George Lucas and the prequels than JJ and The Force Awakens... but that's another topic,
Quote from: Darth Vile on Mar 01, 2017, 04:53:52 PM
Quote from: Infected on Mar 01, 2017, 04:46:24 PM
Quote from: Darth Vile on Mar 01, 2017, 04:33:17 PM
Quote from: Infected on Mar 01, 2017, 04:06:17 PM
Quote from: aliennaire on Mar 01, 2017, 12:56:17 PM
Quote from: Infected on Mar 01, 2017, 12:02:45 PM
...and the focus is gonna be on David, so pulling out that conclusion it might seem to head towards David being the creator of it all,
wich is for most fans the worst case scenario of the whole engineer/jockey mystery.
Straying away from the Space Jockey mystery is what undermined - to a certain level - the story told in Prometheus to me. Arriving at the 'David's creatures and where to find them' type of story five years later might be even more unsatisfying.
Don't get me wrong, it's fascinating to explore how someone with the mind, completely different from yours, ticks and Fassbender has given so much 'flesh' to his role. However hinging the plot around the android and using him as a link between two movies outstrips the significance of other characters together, being used mainly for body countdown effect. Wasn't so hyped about Shaw, but I still hope we either see her at some point alive or learn she had a decent end.
Great trailer by the way! Even the flexible dorsal tubes are growing on me- this way Alien can move nimbly without breaking them or getting stuck in the places where it cannot fit :-)
I agree on that, the part that holded everything together as a mystery was ripped apart by the outcome of the so called space jockey aka the engineer, it was proof or just stupidity to not understand your own franchise and mystery, to me the jockey scene in Alien before Prometheus, was maybe even more important then the whole xenomorph stuff.
And then building on Fassbender because he was magnificent in Prometheus as David is imo another flaw and another stupid choice,
and therefor not understanding your own franchise and the mystery that holds it together.
If you go on what i just said you can expect a good movie but it will not deliver us fans of what we hope and want from the franchise,
most likely a lot of superficial action survival horror with non to little in depth of Shaw and the engineers.
Im not dissing the movie but lets not expect much of the things we waited 30 years for.
These things are not mutually exclusive. It's entirely possible that Scott can deliver a good, well crafted action/thriller that some fans may not like. He doesn't really owe the previous films, or fandom, anything. I assume he's just trying to make a film that can entertain general audiences. Alien Covenant will stand or fall on how good a film it is, rather than how well it adhears to fans expectations.
oh im sure Covenant will be a good movie, and will be one of my favs.
But none the less its George Lucas and his prequels all over again.
Well personally speaking, I'd sooner have George Lucas and the prequels than JJ and The Force Awakens... but that's another topic,
I full agree on that, yes sir.
My body is ready. ;D
I reckon the juggernaut is going to topple against its unsupported weight and slide (not roll) down the hill. The more I think about it, the more I cannot rule it out.
i'll wait on what episode 8 brings before judging that.
personally, i hate the george lucas prequels.
The Alien Looks so cool!!, I hope it's a great movie and really scary as well. That Alien in the end was huge, looked at least 12 feet tall!! I will see Alien Covenant 2 times or more. I will watch all the Alien films right before seeing this new film. I'm really happy that we are getting a new Alien film this summer!! 😃😃
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Just saw the 2nd trailer...and its certainly looks good on a visual standpoint (to be expected from Ridley).
But I don't trust anything in the movie world anymore so we'll see. Honesty this franchise has become so muddled and convoluted I'm just hoping Ridley can sort it all out.
The other problem that just sticks out like a sore thumb is the fact it appears to be the same old plot with yet another Ripley-esque character! Dare I say almost like a remake of 'Alien'.
Honesty I would have moved away from the Ripley type character by now just to shake things up a bit, just me though.
Quote from: Ingwar on Feb 28, 2017, 11:10:55 PM
Amazing trailer but Xenos look too much CGI. Overall, great stuff!
i was waiting for someone to say this...imo this is the best looking model we have seen so far...to really illustrate how agile, fast, and aggressive the creature is itd almost have to be done in cgi...aside from the first two installments being great movies the cgi, costumes and such from those and all the other movies are sub par...
Shit Hubbs, never seen you post in any of the alien subforums before. Congrats! :laugh:
Quote from: The Eighth Passenger on Mar 01, 2017, 05:31:23 PM
Shit Hubbs, never seen you post in any of the alien subforums before. Congrats! :laugh:
Honesty I keep forgetting there are sub forums for these two franchises lol!
I go searching in the movie forum for the film and wonder why I can't find anything. Then I'm like...oh riiight.
Prometheus didn't have enough aliens in it ::) This has too much aliens in it, I don't like this because blah blah blah. Drew your arguments up as sophisticated as you want buy at the end of the day it's just nitpicking and whining. Need I remind you, it's Scott's franchise to do as he pleases. As far as I'm concerned all the ideas I've read from you people on this website of how these movies should play out in your minds, is more garbage than anything Scott has presented. Hints why none of you will ever make a movie.
They will NEVER be able to duplicate the scariness of Alien as its already been done.
The space jockey was never to be elaborated on in the first place, it was a set piece, so it's up to Scott to decide what to do with it without your opinion, and he has done a fine job. The size discrepancy argument is stupid as the only way to make them that big without a man in a suit would be cgi which you would whine about as well.
Daylight is a thing, the alien isn't a mystery anymore so to see it outside is not that far of a stretch.
So what if Dave made the Xenos. Later maybe they go on to become what they are in aliens, without any help from anyone. Again not your choice to make and way better than some stupid planet with them as a part of the ecosystem like an ant. James Cameron screwed up the mystery of alien if you want to point the figure with the introduction of the queen. He was flying under the bigger is better motto to out do the first movie and sell tickets. Just to be clear I like the queen but it WAS the down fall and the ultimate softening of the alien into cannon fodder.
The CGI looks fine. It's not like they will be skimping on it and using a sub pat company. I'm sure they will smooth out any wrinkles and I'm sure there is still a man in the suit for the appropriate shots. But it's doesn't work for everything and unless you want to have a movie full of slow moving, boring aliens like in Alien, this will do fine. I'm sure if the tech was there in 1979 to explore more ideas like this Scott would have done it. They were limited and that's why they hid most of it most of the time. The time of not showing something to be scary is gone. The majority of the audiences don't want that cause it doesn't work especially in this case. We know what the alien is already.
To think that the blompkamp hack job project would be any different, is foolish. They had a stupid biomech suit in the concepts that screams of a 90s toy line. That movie is gonna be the real garbage, just like those awful AVP movies.
Scott's trying to explore deeper ideas than, "oh look an alien home world that looks like every other Giger drawing with wild aliens running around! Let's take off and nuke it from orbit, it's the only way to be sure!" Two hours of shooting pulse rifles and running away from aliens and then a queen at the end. Been there done that, and while it was fun, it gets old. Go watch Aliens over and over if you want that. That movie spoiled most of you and your ideas of what is or isn't an Alien movie.
Now there is nothing I can say to convince you people to like this film and it's your right not to. But ALL, ALL of your reasoning for doing so is childish, and holds no weight whatsoever. Its all just fanboy whining because you didn't get your way. If you had valid arguments then it be a different case. Why not instead of looking for stuff not to like appreciate the fact they are even making another film?
You people expect too much. It's a movie, nothing more nothing less.
Quote from: Rankles75 on Mar 01, 2017, 01:13:59 PM
So, how did David get a new body again? [emoji6]
He merged his biomechanical head onto a engineer's that he was experimenting on.
Just like Frankenstein
Quote from: Cpt. Pike on Mar 01, 2017, 05:35:12 PM
Prometheus didn't have enough aliens in it ::) This has too much aliens in it, I don't like this because blah blah blah. Drew your arguments up as sophisticated as you want buy at the end of the day it's just nitpicking and whining. Need I remind you, it's Scott's franchise to do as he pleases. As far as I'm concerned all the ideas I've read from you people on this website of how these movies should play out in your minds, is more garbage than anything Scott has presented. Hints why none of you will ever make a movie.
They will NEVER be able to duplicate the scariness of Alien as its already been done.
The space jockey was never to be elaborated on in the first place, it was a set piece, so it's up to Scott to decide what to do with it without your opinion, and he has done a fine job. The size discrepancy argument is stupid as the only way to make them that big without a man in a suit would be cgi which you would whine about as well.
Daylight is a thing, the alien isn't a mystery anymore so to see it outside is not that far of a stretch.
So what if Dave made the Xenos. Later maybe they go on to become what they are in aliens, without any help from anyone. Again not your choice to make and way better than some stupid planet with them as a part of the ecosystem like an ant. James Cameron screwed up the mystery of alien if you want to point the figure with the introduction of the queen. He was flying under the bigger is better motto to out do the first movie and sell tickets. Just to be clear I like the queen but it WAS the down fall and the ultimate softening of the alien into cannon fodder.
The CGI looks fine. It's not like they will be skimping on it and using a sub pat company. I'm sure they will smooth out any wrinkles and I'm sure there is still a man in the suit for the appropriate shots. But it's doesn't work for everything and unless you want to have a movie full of slow moving, boring aliens like in Alien, this will do fine. I'm sure if the tech was there in 1979 to explore more ideas like this Scott would have done it. They were limited and that's why they hid most of it most of the time. The time of not showing something to be scary is gone. The majority of the audiences don't want that cause it doesn't work especially in this case. We know what the alien is already.
To think that the blompkamp hack job project would be any different, is foolish. They had a stupid biomech suit in the concepts that screams of a 90s toy line. That movie is gonna be the real garbage, just like those awful AVP movies.
Scott's trying to explore deeper ideas than, "oh look an alien home world that looks like every other Giger drawing with wild aliens running around! Let's take off and nuke it from orbit, it's the only way to be sure!" Two hours of shooting pulse rifles and running away from aliens and then a queen at the end. Been there done that, and while it was fun, it gets old. Go watch Aliens over and over if you want that. That movie spoiled most of you and your ideas of what is or isn't an Alien movie.
Now there is nothing I can say to convince you people to like this film and it's your right not to. But ALL, ALL of your reasoning for doing so is childish, and holds no weight whatsoever. Its all just fanboy whining because you didn't get your way. If you had valid arguments then it be a different case. Why not instead of looking for stuff not to like appreciate the fact they are even making another film?
You people expect too much. It's a movie, nothing more nothing less.
Best post I've read all day, well said sir.
Lol. Harsh assessment but I tend to agree with your rant on a whole Cap. Pike. Not sure that being personal about a group of people is the way to go about it but I can't fault your sentiments. I think there are a lot of people that should be happy we are getting a new Alien movie and a Predator one for that matter. Judge when you have seen the film is what I say.
I am hopeful.
Cameron screwed nothing up! He was about to expand and hook people into the Alien universe.
The canon and mystery are being degraded with each subsequent film. Scott and the AVP films are killing or have killed its terror.
Very cool trailer! Definitely prefer it over the red band one. I like the look of the Alien, classic and yet new, and the brief glimpse of the Neomorph looks interesting too.
I still have some reservations about *possible* story elements, but going purely by that trailer, I'm excited!
Quote from: Vermillion on Mar 01, 2017, 05:56:49 PM
Cameron screwed nothing up! He was about to expand and hook people into the Alien universe.
The canon and mystery are being degraded with each subsequent film. Scott and the AVP films are killing or have killed its terror.
How was Cameron going to expand? I'm guessing we're better off without his expansion anyhow.
Loved this trailer!
I only have one little nitpick. They cut Daniels' speech from the prologue to make it sound like they were the first EVER colony expedition, rather than the first to go this deep into the galaxy. Is that just to add engineered gravity to their expedition, the trailer people didn't think that their mission was amazing enough? I don't know, just a weird cut that irks me since it doesn't do anything but make me wonder what else is cut in a twisted manner to change the meaning.
Quote from: Cpt. Pike on Mar 01, 2017, 05:35:12 PM
Prometheus didn't have enough aliens in it ::) This has too much aliens in it, I don't like this because blah blah blah. Drew your arguments up as sophisticated as you want buy at the end of the day it's just nitpicking and whining. Need I remind you, it's Scott's franchise to do as he pleases. As far as I'm concerned all the ideas I've read from you people on this website of how these movies should play out in your minds, is more garbage than anything Scott has presented. Hints why none of you will ever make a movie.
They will NEVER be able to duplicate the scariness of Alien as its already been done.
The space jockey was never to be elaborated on in the first place, it was a set piece, so it's up to Scott to decide what to do with it without your opinion, and he has done a fine job. The size discrepancy argument is stupid as the only way to make them that big without a man in a suit would be cgi which you would whine about as well.
Daylight is a thing, the alien isn't a mystery anymore so to see it outside is not that far of a stretch.
So what if Dave made the Xenos. Later maybe they go on to become what they are in aliens, without any help from anyone. Again not your choice to make and way better than some stupid planet with them as a part of the ecosystem like an ant. James Cameron screwed up the mystery of alien if you want to point the figure with the introduction of the queen. He was flying under the bigger is better motto to out do the first movie and sell tickets. Just to be clear I like the queen but it WAS the down fall and the ultimate softening of the alien into cannon fodder.
The CGI looks fine. It's not like they will be skimping on it and using a sub pat company. I'm sure they will smooth out any wrinkles and I'm sure there is still a man in the suit for the appropriate shots. But it's doesn't work for everything and unless you want to have a movie full of slow moving, boring aliens like in Alien, this will do fine. I'm sure if the tech was there in 1979 to explore more ideas like this Scott would have done it. They were limited and that's why they hid most of it most of the time. The time of not showing something to be scary is gone. The majority of the audiences don't want that cause it doesn't work especially in this case. We know what the alien is already.
To think that the blompkamp hack job project would be any different, is foolish. They had a stupid biomech suit in the concepts that screams of a 90s toy line. That movie is gonna be the real garbage, just like those awful AVP movies.
Scott's trying to explore deeper ideas than, "oh look an alien home world that looks like every other Giger drawing with wild aliens running around! Let's take off and nuke it from orbit, it's the only way to be sure!" Two hours of shooting pulse rifles and running away from aliens and then a queen at the end. Been there done that, and while it was fun, it gets old. Go watch Aliens over and over if you want that. That movie spoiled most of you and your ideas of what is or isn't an Alien movie.
Now there is nothing I can say to convince you people to like this film and it's your right not to. But ALL, ALL of your reasoning for doing so is childish, and holds no weight whatsoever. Its all just fanboy whining because you didn't get your way. If you had valid arguments then it be a different case. Why not instead of looking for stuff not to like appreciate the fact they are even making another film?
You people expect too much. It's a movie, nothing more nothing less.
Did anybody said whinning... lol
That was a little better than the previous trailers.
Not digging the CGI of the alien, so far. That immediately stood out to me and was off putting.
Looks like the crew is too dumb to wear helmets on an alien planet and the subsequent spore infection shows exactly why that is. Is Walter supposed to be programmed to keep humans from harm? Maybe he'll warn them and they just tell him off. "Helmets?? C'mon Walter, don't be such a buzzkill. We got this, bro!"
Aside from Fassbender, the entire cast seems bland and forgettable. Little more than warm bodies for aliens to infect/kill, and/or for David to do more experiments on. Also I think Danny Mcbride was a poor choice to cast for an Alien film. They might as well have gotten someone like Tom Green or Pauly Shore to pilot the Covenant.
Quote from: Predaker on Mar 01, 2017, 06:35:07 PM
That was a little better than the previous trailers.
Not digging the CGI of the alien, so far. That immediately stood out to me and was off putting.
Looks like the crew is too dumb to wear helmets on an alien planet and the subsequent spore infection shows exactly why that is. Is Walter supposed to be programmed to keep humans from harm? Maybe he'll warn them and they just tell him off. "Helmets?? C'mon Walter, don't be such a buzzkill. We got this, bro!"
Aside from Fassbender, the entire cast seems bland and forgettable. Little more than warm bodies for aliens to infect/kill, and/or for David to do more experiments on. Also I think Danny Mcbride was a poor choice to cast for an Alien film. They might as well have gotten someone like Tom Green or Pauly Shore to pilot the Covenant.
I personally think Mcbride is gonna own this roll
Quote from: Cpt. Pike on Mar 01, 2017, 05:35:12 PM
Prometheus didn't have enough aliens in it ::) This has too much aliens in it, I don't like this because blah blah blah. Drew your arguments up as sophisticated as you want buy at the end of the day it's just nitpicking and whining. Need I remind you, it's Scott's franchise to do as he pleases. As far as I'm concerned all the ideas I've read from you people on this website of how these movies should play out in your minds, is more garbage than anything Scott has presented. Hints why none of you will ever make a movie.
They will NEVER be able to duplicate the scariness of Alien as its already been done.
The space jockey was never to be elaborated on in the first place, it was a set piece, so it's up to Scott to decide what to do with it without your opinion, and he has done a fine job. The size discrepancy argument is stupid as the only way to make them that big without a man in a suit would be cgi which you would whine about as well.
Daylight is a thing, the alien isn't a mystery anymore so to see it outside is not that far of a stretch.
So what if Dave made the Xenos. Later maybe they go on to become what they are in aliens, without any help from anyone. Again not your choice to make and way better than some stupid planet with them as a part of the ecosystem like an ant. James Cameron screwed up the mystery of alien if you want to point the figure with the introduction of the queen. He was flying under the bigger is better motto to out do the first movie and sell tickets. Just to be clear I like the queen but it WAS the down fall and the ultimate softening of the alien into cannon fodder.
The CGI looks fine. It's not like they will be skimping on it and using a sub pat company. I'm sure they will smooth out any wrinkles and I'm sure there is still a man in the suit for the appropriate shots. But it's doesn't work for everything and unless you want to have a movie full of slow moving, boring aliens like in Alien, this will do fine. I'm sure if the tech was there in 1979 to explore more ideas like this Scott would have done it. They were limited and that's why they hid most of it most of the time. The time of not showing something to be scary is gone. The majority of the audiences don't want that cause it doesn't work especially in this case. We know what the alien is already.
To think that the blompkamp hack job project would be any different, is foolish. They had a stupid biomech suit in the concepts that screams of a 90s toy line. That movie is gonna be the real garbage, just like those awful AVP movies.
Scott's trying to explore deeper ideas than, "oh look an alien home world that looks like every other Giger drawing with wild aliens running around! Let's take off and nuke it from orbit, it's the only way to be sure!" Two hours of shooting pulse rifles and running away from aliens and then a queen at the end. Been there done that, and while it was fun, it gets old. Go watch Aliens over and over if you want that. That movie spoiled most of you and your ideas of what is or isn't an Alien movie.
Now there is nothing I can say to convince you people to like this film and it's your right not to. But ALL, ALL of your reasoning for doing so is childish, and holds no weight whatsoever. Its all just fanboy whining because you didn't get your way. If you had valid arguments then it be a different case. Why not instead of looking for stuff not to like appreciate the fact they are even making another film?
You people expect too much. It's a movie, nothing more nothing less.
You sir are the light in this forum...I'm tired of the ALIENS fanboys who think that Cameron did something good, that movie was just yankee brainless action. Bland characters, awful disneysque ending, the xenomorph reduced to a space ant. That movie became old very very fast. And Bloomkamps attemp on the franchise was ridiculous, I'm so glad that never gonna happen soon...the guy has only one good movie, the rest has been the same formula but doing it badly.
Quote from: newagescamartist on Mar 01, 2017, 06:15:10 PM
Quote from: Vermillion on Mar 01, 2017, 05:56:49 PM
Cameron screwed nothing up! He was about to expand and hook people into the Alien universe.
The canon and mystery are being degraded with each subsequent film. Scott and the AVP films are killing or have killed its terror.
How was Cameron going to expand? I'm guessing we're better off without his expansion anyhow.
turning the Alien into an infestation and bug hunt already f**ked up the mystery behind the creature. Aliens was undeniably a great movie but did nothing to eastblish the myth even further and followed a typical sequel formula. more action, bigger, louder and not really better.
you Sir have completely knocked it out the park!! I couldn't agree with you more! Cameron just wanted to remake Alien but turned up to 11. I do still enjoy the film but 1 & 3 are my favourites and I am excited to see what Ridley has done with Covenant.
Quote from: Russ840 on Mar 01, 2017, 06:50:44 PM
Quote from: Predaker on Mar 01, 2017, 06:35:07 PM
That was a little better than the previous trailers.
Not digging the CGI of the alien, so far. That immediately stood out to me and was off putting.
Looks like the crew is too dumb to wear helmets on an alien planet and the subsequent spore infection shows exactly why that is. Is Walter supposed to be programmed to keep humans from harm? Maybe he'll warn them and they just tell him off. "Helmets?? C'mon Walter, don't be such a buzzkill. We got this, bro!"
Aside from Fassbender, the entire cast seems bland and forgettable. Little more than warm bodies for aliens to infect/kill, and/or for David to do more experiments on. Also I think Danny Mcbride was a poor choice to cast for an Alien film. They might as well have gotten someone like Tom Green or Pauly Shore to pilot the Covenant.
I personally think Mcbride is gonna own this roll
I think you are right. However I think alot of that depends on what kind of roll he owns. If its ham and cheese then im not so sure. Though I do think he is going to really beef up his rolls in general with his performance in Covenant. ;D 8)
Quote from: The Eighth Passenger on Mar 01, 2017, 05:31:23 PM
Shit Hubbs, never seen you post in any of the alien subforums before. Congrats! :laugh:
Don't encourage him!
Quote from: Cpt. Pike on Mar 01, 2017, 05:35:12 PM
You people expect too much. It's a movie, nothing more nothing less.
Nothing like a good ol' gross overstatement and tarring everyone with the same brush. Thanks for that insightful contribution.
Quote from: Russ840 on Mar 01, 2017, 06:50:44 PM
I personally think Mcbride is gonna own this roll
I reckon he's going to be great in Covenant and he's one of the things I'm really looking forward to seeing about the film.
Quote from: Cpt. Pike on Mar 01, 2017, 05:35:12 PM
Prometheus didn't have enough aliens in it ::) This has too much aliens in it, I don't like this because blah blah blah. Drew your arguments up as sophisticated as you want buy at the end of the day it's just nitpicking and whining. Need I remind you, it's Scott's franchise to do as he pleases. As far as I'm concerned all the ideas I've read from you people on this website of how these movies should play out in your minds, is more garbage than anything Scott has presented. Hints why none of you will ever make a movie.
They will NEVER be able to duplicate the scariness of Alien as its already been done.
The space jockey was never to be elaborated on in the first place, it was a set piece, so it's up to Scott to decide what to do with it without your opinion, and he has done a fine job. The size discrepancy argument is stupid as the only way to make them that big without a man in a suit would be cgi which you would whine about as well.
Daylight is a thing, the alien isn't a mystery anymore so to see it outside is not that far of a stretch.
So what if Dave made the Xenos. Later maybe they go on to become what they are in aliens, without any help from anyone. Again not your choice to make and way better than some stupid planet with them as a part of the ecosystem like an ant. James Cameron screwed up the mystery of alien if you want to point the figure with the introduction of the queen. He was flying under the bigger is better motto to out do the first movie and sell tickets. Just to be clear I like the queen but it WAS the down fall and the ultimate softening of the alien into cannon fodder.
The CGI looks fine. It's not like they will be skimping on it and using a sub pat company. I'm sure they will smooth out any wrinkles and I'm sure there is still a man in the suit for the appropriate shots. But it's doesn't work for everything and unless you want to have a movie full of slow moving, boring aliens like in Alien, this will do fine. I'm sure if the tech was there in 1979 to explore more ideas like this Scott would have done it. They were limited and that's why they hid most of it most of the time. The time of not showing something to be scary is gone. The majority of the audiences don't want that cause it doesn't work especially in this case. We know what the alien is already.
To think that the blompkamp hack job project would be any different, is foolish. They had a stupid biomech suit in the concepts that screams of a 90s toy line. That movie is gonna be the real garbage, just like those awful AVP movies.
Scott's trying to explore deeper ideas than, "oh look an alien home world that looks like every other Giger drawing with wild aliens running around! Let's take off and nuke it from orbit, it's the only way to be sure!" Two hours of shooting pulse rifles and running away from aliens and then a queen at the end. Been there done that, and while it was fun, it gets old. Go watch Aliens over and over if you want that. That movie spoiled most of you and your ideas of what is or isn't an Alien movie.
Now there is nothing I can say to convince you people to like this film and it's your right not to. But ALL, ALL of your reasoning for doing so is childish, and holds no weight whatsoever. Its all just fanboy whining because you didn't get your way. If you had valid arguments then it be a different case. Why not instead of looking for stuff not to like appreciate the fact they are even making another film?
You people expect too much. It's a movie, nothing more nothing less.
thank you for that...im behind you on this 100...i was just saying in a post the other day how the xeno's look and movement is WAY better than anything we've seen in an alien movie so far...cgi or not
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Mar 01, 2017, 07:22:40 PM
Quote from: The Eighth Passenger on Mar 01, 2017, 05:31:23 PM
Shit Hubbs, never seen you post in any of the alien subforums before. Congrats! :laugh:
Don't encourage him!
Quote from: Cpt. Pike on Mar 01, 2017, 05:35:12 PM
You people expect too much. It's a movie, nothing more nothing less.
Nothing like a good ol' gross overstatement and tarring everyone with the same brush. Thanks for that insight contribution.
Quote from: Russ840 on Mar 01, 2017, 06:50:44 PM
I personally think Mcbride is gonna own this roll
I reckon he's going to be great in Covenant and he's one of the things I'm really looking forward to seeing about the film.
I've been coming here for ten years, and I swear I've read a post like this every time a new movie comes out. It's starting to become cliche.
Quote from: Russ840 on Mar 01, 2017, 06:50:44 PM
Quote from: Predaker on Mar 01, 2017, 06:35:07 PM
That was a little better than the previous trailers.
Not digging the CGI of the alien, so far. That immediately stood out to me and was off putting.
Looks like the crew is too dumb to wear helmets on an alien planet and the subsequent spore infection shows exactly why that is. Is Walter supposed to be programmed to keep humans from harm? Maybe he'll warn them and they just tell him off. "Helmets?? C'mon Walter, don't be such a buzzkill. We got this, bro!"
Aside from Fassbender, the entire cast seems bland and forgettable. Little more than warm bodies for aliens to infect/kill, and/or for David to do more experiments on. Also I think Danny Mcbride was a poor choice to cast for an Alien film. They might as well have gotten someone like Tom Green or Pauly Shore to pilot the Covenant.
I personally think Mcbride is gonna own this roll
Yeah his humor was already there in the last supper trailer,
you are gonna love him, and you are gonna see him die, i think in a hardcore way.
Quote from: echobbase79 on Mar 01, 2017, 07:36:33 PM
I've been coming here for ten years, and I swear I've read a post like this every time a new movie comes out. It's starting to become cliche.
It happens in every single fandom and pretty much anywhere there's an opinion to be expressed about something. It's hardly a unique phenomenal to this website.
Lots of people are enjoying this, and some people aren't. It's just as cliched seeing people complain about people complaining than it is seeing the first set of people complaining. Just be respectful with how people express their opinions and we've got no issues.
Same ole, same ole here at the Galaxy... :laugh:
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Mar 01, 2017, 07:40:16 PM
Quote from: echobbase79 on Mar 01, 2017, 07:36:33 PM
I've been coming here for ten years, and I swear I've read a post like this every time a new movie comes out. It's starting to become cliche.
It happens in every single fandom and pretty much anywhere there's too be an opinion expressed about something. It's hardly a unique phenomenal to this website.
Lots of people are enjoying this, and some people aren't. It's just as cliched seeing people complain about people complaining than it is seeing the first set of people complaining. Just be respectful with how people express their opinions and we've got no issues.
Agreed.
QuoteNeed I remind you, it's Scott's franchise to do as he pleases.
I wish he hadn't done those AVP movies. :-\
Quote from: Infected on Mar 01, 2017, 04:06:17 PM
I agree on that, the part that holded everything together as a mystery was ripped apart by the outcome of the so called space jockey aka the engineer, it was proof or just stupidity to not understand your own franchise and mystery, to me the jockey scene in Alien before Prometheus, was maybe even more important then the whole xenomorph stuff.
And then building on Fassbender because he was magnificent in Prometheus as David is imo another flaw and another stupid choice,
and therefor not understanding your own franchise and the mystery that holds it together.
If you go on what i just said you can expect a good movie but it will not deliver us fans of what we hope and want from the franchise,
most likely a lot of superficial action survival horror with non to little in depth of Shaw and the engineers.
Im not dissing the movie but lets not expect much of the things we waited 30 years for.
Yes, take this film for what it seems to be (which is a good action movie at this point relying on everything we learn by date) and if delivers more than you expect, you will get a bonus :-)
Nevertheless, I still hold on to the fanboy hope to encounter the SJ creatures/or mentions of their extinction in the later films, yet it - even speculatively - can only see the light if
Covenant makes a hefty box office, so may it be successful with whatever path they chose it to follow.
Quote from: Darth Vile on Mar 01, 2017, 04:33:17 PM
These things are not mutually exclusive. It's entirely possible that Scott can deliver a good, well crafted action/thriller that some fans may not like. He doesn't really owe the previous films, or fandom, anything. I assume he's just trying to make a film that can entertain general audiences. Alien Covenant will stand or fall on how good a film it is, rather than how well it adhears to fans expectations.
Fair point about catering to the general folks! Yet, I feel that unlike the ardent fans, general audiences will have less patience for the same story told numerous times over and over again (and I am afraid that is the kind of response I'm kept seeing on wider-themed boards and in news comments).
You can still entertain general viewers with sprinkling some new ideas into the story.
My thoughts on the trailer:
Quote from: fernandito on Mar 01, 2017, 01:51:12 PM
Scott can not be trusted, once more. The fact so much has been given away in a 2:30 trailer just as it happened before with prometheus irremediably points in toward that possibility. Yes, the trailer is very cool and all that, but so was the trailer of prometheus back in the day, and look what happened eventually.
Also, so underwhelming to finally see that we won't be rolling back to the old human-like behaviour/way of moving around displayed by first alien. We are again given an animal alien, no matter it spawns from a human host. The so called Neomorph seems to display same animal behaviour/way of moving as well, when it could have been an incredibly disturbing thing to see this thing moving like humans, or just like the first alien did. It also doesn't seem fully grown to me. It's small.
It was making it like a human what it was truly disturbing, scary and mysterious too after all, not the other way around.
i totally disagree...imo the origional alien was slow and clunky...very unrealistic...the story, pacing, lighting is what made the creature scary...lol its "human" like behavior wasnt a mistake or intentional hell it was a guy in a suit...watching it on screen you have to use your imagination because it doesnt look very fast and agile...nor do you ever see it crawl across a ceiling or wall...meeeaahhh...i like this upgraded cgi version much better...the alien actually seems deadly, aggressive, strong fast and im ACTUALLY seeing it
Does anyone know what that tribal like music is from?
Quote from: Cpt. Pike on Mar 01, 2017, 05:35:12 PM
Prometheus didn't have enough aliens in it ::) This has too much aliens in it, I don't like this because blah blah blah. Drew your arguments up as sophisticated as you want buy at the end of the day it's just nitpicking and whining. Need I remind you, it's Scott's franchise to do as he pleases. As far as I'm concerned all the ideas I've read from you people on this website of how these movies should play out in your minds, is more garbage than anything Scott has presented. Hints why none of you will ever make a movie.
They will NEVER be able to duplicate the scariness of Alien as its already been done.
The space jockey was never to be elaborated on in the first place, it was a set piece, so it's up to Scott to decide what to do with it without your opinion, and he has done a fine job. The size discrepancy argument is stupid as the only way to make them that big without a man in a suit would be cgi which you would whine about as well.
Daylight is a thing, the alien isn't a mystery anymore so to see it outside is not that far of a stretch.
So what if Dave made the Xenos. Later maybe they go on to become what they are in aliens, without any help from anyone. Again not your choice to make and way better than some stupid planet with them as a part of the ecosystem like an ant. James Cameron screwed up the mystery of alien if you want to point the figure with the introduction of the queen. He was flying under the bigger is better motto to out do the first movie and sell tickets. Just to be clear I like the queen but it WAS the down fall and the ultimate softening of the alien into cannon fodder.
The CGI looks fine. It's not like they will be skimping on it and using a sub pat company. I'm sure they will smooth out any wrinkles and I'm sure there is still a man in the suit for the appropriate shots. But it's doesn't work for everything and unless you want to have a movie full of slow moving, boring aliens like in Alien, this will do fine. I'm sure if the tech was there in 1979 to explore more ideas like this Scott would have done it. They were limited and that's why they hid most of it most of the time. The time of not showing something to be scary is gone. The majority of the audiences don't want that cause it doesn't work especially in this case. We know what the alien is already.
To think that the blompkamp hack job project would be any different, is foolish. They had a stupid biomech suit in the concepts that screams of a 90s toy line. That movie is gonna be the real garbage, just like those awful AVP movies.
Scott's trying to explore deeper ideas than, "oh look an alien home world that looks like every other Giger drawing with wild aliens running around! Let's take off and nuke it from orbit, it's the only way to be sure!" Two hours of shooting pulse rifles and running away from aliens and then a queen at the end. Been there done that, and while it was fun, it gets old. Go watch Aliens over and over if you want that. That movie spoiled most of you and your ideas of what is or isn't an Alien movie.
Now there is nothing I can say to convince you people to like this film and it's your right not to. But ALL, ALL of your reasoning for doing so is childish, and holds no weight whatsoever. Its all just fanboy whining because you didn't get your way. If you had valid arguments then it be a different case. Why not instead of looking for stuff not to like appreciate the fact they are even making another film?
You people expect too much. It's a movie, nothing more nothing less.
Bingo. You've articulated my thoughts on this exactly!
Awesome trailer definitely what I was hoping for last time and it was awesome to see the Xenomorph back :)
Quote from: aliennaire on Mar 01, 2017, 07:46:33 PM
Fair point about catering to the general folks! Yet, I feel that unlike the ardent fans, general audiences will have less patience for the same story told numerous times over and over again (and I am afraid that is the kind of response I'm kept seeing on wider-themed boards and in news comments).
You can still entertain general viewers with sprinkling some new ideas into the story.
Don't get me wrong... I want new ideas and I certainly don't want to see the same films made over and over again, but Prometheus was as different an Alien movie as they could make, but that approach seemed to polarise fans. I don't think there's a one size fits all, I prefer the slow build and tension of Alien rather than the action of Aliens, whilst some find Alien too slow. Point being, I think Scott's first allegiance is to his own sensibilities as a filmmaker, and not to what he thinks fans want. I'm just hoping Alien Covenant is a film than most of us can like.
"Meh" exactly. Just swap the Alien creatures in it and the word in the title, no one would watch this.
Quote from: szkoki on Mar 01, 2017, 08:43:59 PM
"Meh" exactly. Just swap the Alien creatures in it and the word in the title, no one would watch this.
Kinda hate to admit it, but thats a fair statement at least in part.
Quote from: szkoki on Mar 01, 2017, 08:43:59 PM
"Meh" exactly. Just swap the Alien creatures in it and the word in the title, no one would watch this.
I would.
Is it possible that David used sexual reproduction system of Shaw to create the xenomorphs by using the sperm from the Deacon in Prometheus?
Quote from: Cpt. Pike on Mar 01, 2017, 05:35:12 PM
Need I remind you, it's Scott's franchise to do as he pleases.
No it isn't Cpt. Clueless.
Franchise belongs to Fox and they can do as they please with it.
Quote from: salomonj on Mar 01, 2017, 08:54:18 PM
Is it possible that David used sexual reproduction system of Shaw to create the xenomorphs by using the sperm from the Deacon in Prometheus?
Interesting, but where would he have gotten the sperm from? The Deacon was born after they left LV-223, wasn't it?
Quote from: salomonj on Mar 01, 2017, 08:54:18 PM
Is it possible that David used sexual reproduction system of Shaw to create the xenomorphs by using the sperm from the Deacon in Prometheus?
Spoiler
One of the set reports mentioned seeing Deacon
so unfortunately yes it's possible :o
Spoiler
THE CREATURE SHOP: After the WAR ROOM we were taken to the Creature Effects shop! What a trip that was! I felt like a kid in a candy store as I witnessed some familiar creatures and new ones! We got to see a Facehugger blasted out of a canon (that's how they execute the leaping effect – old school baby) and a hero Alien with a jaw that springs out.
In terms of new breeds: I spied an alien with a face shaped like a butt-hole (looked like a "creation"), an Engineer without his skin (I am assuming this is an Engineer that was dissected for study) and the alien that surfaced at the end of Prometheus (aka The Deacon). I can't wait to see the latter in further action! I get a Raptor from Jurassic Park vibe from it! Again, the intent here is to do everything practically with only SOME CG enhancements! Sold!
http://www.joblo.com/horror-movies/news/alien-covenant-set-visit-1-what-we-learnedsaw-chat-with-fx-supervisor-128
but yeah it was born after they left so... what is happening ?:D
Quote from: echobbase79 on Mar 01, 2017, 08:58:40 PM
Interesting, but where would he have gotten the sperm from? The Deacon was born after they left LV-223, wasn't it?
That's right.
And the Corporal's sources said there are definitely no deacons in Covenant. Though I suppose it's possible they were referring to 'live" deacons.
Quote from: Darth Vile on Mar 01, 2017, 08:40:05 PM
Don't get me wrong... I want new ideas and I certainly don't want to see the same films made over and over again, but Prometheus was as different an Alien movie as they could make, but that approach seemed to polarise fans.
The problem was not the new ideas, but the execution of those ideas. A big chunk of the movie was cribbed from AVP. The characters were poorly conceived. They made ridiculously bad decisions and had inexplicable reactions to their situation. They seemed like the galaxy's dumbest group of smart people. The dialogue was blunt to a fault. The Engineers seem a bit of a let-down from the Space Jockey. Nameless people died and no one cared. Named people died for no real reason, and no one really cared. Consequently, the progression of the story was laughable, at points made no sense, and had a xeno-like creature tacked onto the end (just to say hello). The end result was a hot mess. Covenant should be better than that, but the bar is set pretty low.
And people have seemingly endless appetite/will pay big money for the same story over and over. See: Star Wars.
Quote from: ScardyFox on Mar 01, 2017, 08:50:10 PM
Quote from: szkoki on Mar 01, 2017, 08:43:59 PM
"Meh" exactly. Just swap the Alien creatures in it and the word in the title, no one would watch this.
Kinda hate to admit it, but thats a fair statement at least in part.
Quote from: ScardyFox on Mar 01, 2017, 08:50:10 PM
Quote from: szkoki on Mar 01, 2017, 08:43:59 PM
"Meh" exactly. Just swap the Alien creatures in it and the word in the title, no one would watch this.
Kinda hate to admit it, but thats a fair statement at least in part.
Also dont understand Ridley...whats this movie? Can he direct after all? This trailer have more xeno screentime than Alien had altogether. It looks like a gory over the top action movie to be honest. Its just...and the creature looks so CGI.
Quote from: harlequinade on Mar 01, 2017, 08:59:00 PM
Quote from: salomonj on Mar 01, 2017, 08:54:18 PM
Is it possible that David used sexual reproduction system of Shaw to create the xenomorphs by using the sperm from the Deacon in Prometheus?
Spoiler
One of the set reports mentioned seeing Deacon
Spoiler
THE CREATURE SHOP: After the WAR ROOM we were taken to the Creature Effects shop! What a trip that was! I felt like a kid in a candy store as I witnessed some familiar creatures and new ones! We got to see a Facehugger blasted out of a canon (that's how they execute the leaping effect – old school baby) and a hero Alien with a jaw that springs out.
In terms of new breeds: I spied an alien with a face shaped like a butt-hole (looked like a "creation"), an Engineer without his skin (I am assuming this is an Engineer that was dissected for study) and the alien that surfaced at the end of Prometheus (aka The Deacon). I can't wait to see the latter in further action! I get a Raptor from Jurassic Park vibe from it! Again, the intent here is to do everything practically with only SOME CG enhancements! Sold!
http://www.joblo.com/horror-movies/news/alien-covenant-set-visit-1-what-we-learnedsaw-chat-with-fx-supervisor-128
but yeah it was born after they left so... what is happening ?:D
Holy shit.
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I didn't know the Deacon was spotted. I really hope that's how the xeno is born and how Shaw dies, it would truly be horrifying.
Love the string-like Alien music in the derelict exploration part of the trailer.
Quote from: echobbase79 on Mar 01, 2017, 08:58:40 PM
Quote from: salomonj on Mar 01, 2017, 08:54:18 PM
Is it possible that David used sexual reproduction system of Shaw to create the xenomorphs by using the sperm from the Deacon in Prometheus?
Interesting, but where would he have gotten the sperm from? The Deacon was born after they left LV-223, wasn't it?
Yeah, it was born after but apparently it was seen on A:C set.
Interesting, but where would he have gotten the sperm from? The Deacon was born after they left LV-223, wasn't it?
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I thought that too, they already left the planet, and David is decapitated anyway. It is possible that Shaw had twins, only the second one was slower gestating and couldn't even be detected when they left. That could he the incentive to re-attach David's head so he can help Shaw survive a second extraction. Her 2nd child is less hardy than the first one and dies off, much to David's frustrations. Then they reach the planet and Dr Frankenstein gets another chance to experiment.
Quote from: motherfather on Mar 01, 2017, 09:10:36 PM
Interesting, but where would he have gotten the sperm from? The Deacon was born after they left LV-223, wasn't it?
I thought that too, they already left the planet, and David is decapitated anyway. It is possible that Shaw had twins, only the second one was slower gestating and couldn't even be detected when they left. That could he the incentive to re-attach David's head so he can help Shaw survive a second extraction.
[/quote]That would definitely explain why she put David back together. Poor Shaw, I feel like whatever her fate is its not good especially with David around.
Quote from: salomonj on Mar 01, 2017, 09:08:08 PM
Quote from: echobbase79 on Mar 01, 2017, 08:58:40 PM
Quote from: salomonj on Mar 01, 2017, 08:54:18 PM
Is it possible that David used sexual reproduction system of Shaw to create the xenomorphs by using the sperm from the Deacon in Prometheus?
Interesting, but where would he have gotten the sperm from? The Deacon was born after they left LV-223, wasn't it?
Yeah, it was born after but apparently it was seen on A:C set.
Oh, okay. I didn't know that.
David loves his xeno biology research! ;D
The trailer was fine. Everything problematic or annoying about the movie is still there, but it should be better than Prometheus, make a lot of money, and roll merrily along. After a point, it matters a lot less. It's interesting that the prequels seem mostly about David 8 the way series from Alien to Resurrection is mostly about Ripley. I wonder if we're really going to get 2 more prequels? If so, the timeline should be all filled in.
^ So far, that is my only serious complaint based on my plot suspicions and general info we've known for a long time. Its a David 8 movie - Xeno's just happen to feature.
David gets the most face time. He is the star. He is where it all begins. All hail the great and glorious David 8! Resistance is futile. (urgh...)
Very enigmatic.
QuoteAt the time that we spoke to Waterson, even she didn't know Daniels' first name yet. " I have an idea," she said. "Ridley told me one day, he said, what about this, and I made a face, and he said, ok, and I have an idea, and if I see you again, I'll tell you if I got my way."
http://collider.com/alien-covenant-spoilers-things-to-know/#cast-and-characters
Man, I.AM.STOKED.! Sure there's some shitty stuff like "wheat, but who planted it?". But happy hippie go campers getting annihilated by antichrist? That's a thumps up in my book
Quote from: motherfather on Mar 01, 2017, 09:26:09 PM
^ So far, that is my only serious complaint based on my plot suspicions and general info we've known for a long time. Its a David 8 movie - Xeno's just happen to feature.
David gets the most face time. He is the star. He is where it all begins. All hail the great and glorious David 8! Resistance is futile. (urgh...)
Seriously? He has barely appeared in the marketing? Even the leaks had him as secondary character.
I'd take David over another Ripley clone anyday.
The Neomorphs really do have faces shaped like a butt-hole! :D
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I think the hooded person is Shaw. She killed the engineers because they wanted to kill us.
Quote from: szkoki on Mar 01, 2017, 09:45:19 PM
I think the hooded person is Shaw. She killed the engineers because they wanted to kill us.
Well its someone with long hair. Most likely David.
Not sure if its been mentioned in the last 40 pages but...
...just after the line "what happened here?" (1:11) there is a sound kind of like a woman's voice as Daniels finds the dog tags. Could be nothing or is it something to do with the fact they belong to Shaw?
Maybe looking too much into it :-\
Quote from: harlequinade on Mar 01, 2017, 08:59:00 PM
Quote from: salomonj on Mar 01, 2017, 08:54:18 PM
Is it possible that David used sexual reproduction system of Shaw to create the xenomorphs by using the sperm from the Deacon in Prometheus?
Spoiler
One of the set reports mentioned seeing Deacon
Spoiler
THE CREATURE SHOP: After the WAR ROOM we were taken to the Creature Effects shop! What a trip that was! I felt like a kid in a candy store as I witnessed some familiar creatures and new ones! We got to see a Facehugger blasted out of a canon (that's how they execute the leaping effect – old school baby) and a hero Alien with a jaw that springs out.
In terms of new breeds: I spied an alien with a face shaped like a butt-hole (looked like a "creation"), an Engineer without his skin (I am assuming this is an Engineer that was dissected for study) and the alien that surfaced at the end of Prometheus (aka The Deacon). I can't wait to see the latter in further action! I get a Raptor from Jurassic Park vibe from it! Again, the intent here is to do everything practically with only SOME CG enhancements! Sold!
http://www.joblo.com/horror-movies/news/alien-covenant-set-visit-1-what-we-learnedsaw-chat-with-fx-supervisor-128
but yeah it was born after they left so... what is happening ?:D
I think they're likely just getting the Neomorphs and Deacons mixed up.
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Mar 01, 2017, 09:59:18 PM
Quote from: harlequinade on Mar 01, 2017, 08:59:00 PM
Quote from: salomonj on Mar 01, 2017, 08:54:18 PM
Is it possible that David used sexual reproduction system of Shaw to create the xenomorphs by using the sperm from the Deacon in Prometheus?
Spoiler
One of the set reports mentioned seeing Deacon
Spoiler
THE CREATURE SHOP: After the WAR ROOM we were taken to the Creature Effects shop! What a trip that was! I felt like a kid in a candy store as I witnessed some familiar creatures and new ones! We got to see a Facehugger blasted out of a canon (that's how they execute the leaping effect – old school baby) and a hero Alien with a jaw that springs out.
In terms of new breeds: I spied an alien with a face shaped like a butt-hole (looked like a "creation"), an Engineer without his skin (I am assuming this is an Engineer that was dissected for study) and the alien that surfaced at the end of Prometheus (aka The Deacon). I can't wait to see the latter in further action! I get a Raptor from Jurassic Park vibe from it! Again, the intent here is to do everything practically with only SOME CG enhancements! Sold!
http://www.joblo.com/horror-movies/news/alien-covenant-set-visit-1-what-we-learnedsaw-chat-with-fx-supervisor-128
but yeah it was born after they left so... what is happening ?:D
I think they're likely just getting the Neomorphs and Deacons mixed up.
but they refer to Neo as the buttface one :)
Quote from: Bonus Situation on Mar 01, 2017, 09:56:36 PM
Not sure if its been mentioned in the last 40 pages but...
...just after the line "what happened here?" (1:11) there is a sound kind of like a woman's voice as Daniels finds the dog tags. Could be nothing or is it something to do with the fact they belong to Shaw?
Maybe looking too much into it :-\
Yeah I heard "David" too
Look, it's probably pretty straightforward, don't you think? Shaw and David comes to paradise and wreck it with the goo. Weyland+now yutani, sends colonists there to "investigate", yada yada screams shoots fired, david brings final xenomorph eggs to lv421. Tada!
After finally seeing the new trailer I have to say that I am feeling quite a bit more optimistic about Covenant. Now if only they would bring back the bio-mechanical element from Alien I'd be set.
Quote from: hfeldhaus on Mar 01, 2017, 09:48:27 PM
Quote from: szkoki on Mar 01, 2017, 09:45:19 PM
I think the hooded person is Shaw. She killed the engineers because they wanted to kill us.
Well its someone with long hair. Most likely David.
This is what's confusing me. In the trailer, David doesn't have long hair when he's showing the one crew member the eggs?
Quote from: szkoki on Mar 01, 2017, 08:43:59 PM"Meh" exactly. Just swap the Alien creatures in it and the word in the title, no one would watch this.
I'd go watch it.
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Quote from: hfeldhaus on Mar 01, 2017, 09:48:27 PM
Quote from: szkoki on Mar 01, 2017, 09:45:19 PM
I think the hooded person is Shaw. She killed the engineers because they wanted to kill us.
Well its someone with long hair. Most likely David.
This is what's confusing me. In the trailer, David doesn't have long hair when he's showing the one crew member the eggs?
I'm pretty sure one leak mentioned David changing his hairstyle to look like Walter, so that could explain it.
Quote from: szkoki on Mar 01, 2017, 08:43:59 PM
"Meh" exactly. Just swap the Alien creatures in it and the word in the title, no one would watch this.
wrong
Quote from: Evanus on Mar 01, 2017, 10:11:59 PM
Quote from: echobbase79 on Mar 01, 2017, 10:10:46 PM
Quote from: hfeldhaus on Mar 01, 2017, 09:48:27 PM
Quote from: szkoki on Mar 01, 2017, 09:45:19 PM
I think the hooded person is Shaw. She killed the engineers because they wanted to kill us.
Well its someone with long hair. Most likely David.
This is what's confusing me. In the trailer, David doesn't have long hair when he's showing the one crew member the eggs?
I'm pretty sure one leak mentioned David changing his hairstyle to look like Walter, so that could explain it.
Thats what I'm thinking. For a while I thought it was Walter in the room with Cudrup.
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QuoteOne piece of art that I kept going back to was a Giger-esque drawing of Shaw's head (Noomi Rapace) surrounded by bio-mechanical tubes, as if she was mutating into something (I thought the first Xenomorph from ALIEN perhaps?). I was surprised they would let such a picture out there for us to see – so keep that in mind, it may be sly misdirection on the Studio's part.
This is very exciting. If it doesn't get touched on in the movie, hopefully it does in the prequel novel.
Quote from: Evanus on Mar 01, 2017, 10:11:59 PM
Quote from: echobbase79 on Mar 01, 2017, 10:10:46 PM
Quote from: hfeldhaus on Mar 01, 2017, 09:48:27 PM
Quote from: szkoki on Mar 01, 2017, 09:45:19 PM
I think the hooded person is Shaw. She killed the engineers because they wanted to kill us.
Well its someone with long hair. Most likely David.
This is what's confusing me. In the trailer, David doesn't have long hair when he's showing the one crew member the eggs?
I'm pretty sure one leak mentioned David changing his hairstyle to look like Walter, so that could explain it.
Oh okay. I wonder if David will be doing that when said character comes across him? I'm assuming that's what happens since it seems like that guy is searching a different part of the Juggernaut from everyone one else.
Soooo... where is the red band trailer???
Quote from: slipknotpredator on Mar 01, 2017, 11:53:09 PM
Soooo... where is the red band trailer???
wondering the same thing
I'm passing on the redband. The greenband is enough for me until the movie comes out. It probably has more shots of gore. I think the running time is the same for both.
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Quote from: Evanus on Mar 01, 2017, 10:11:59 PM
Quote from: echobbase79 on Mar 01, 2017, 10:10:46 PM
Quote from: hfeldhaus on Mar 01, 2017, 09:48:27 PM
Quote from: szkoki on Mar 01, 2017, 09:45:19 PM
I think the hooded person is Shaw. She killed the engineers because they wanted to kill us.
Well its someone with long hair. Most likely David.
This is what's confusing me. In the trailer, David doesn't have long hair when he's showing the one crew member the eggs?
I'm pretty sure one leak mentioned David changing his hairstyle to look like Walter, so that could explain it.
Oh okay. I wonder if David will be doing that when said character comes across him? I'm assuming that's what happens since it seems like that guy is searching a different part of the Juggernaut from everyone one else.
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are you guys like blind or something?
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since when is this regarded as 'long hair'?????
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Also, someone says that he changes the color of his hair sometime during the movie.
Is that really his hair? Could be some grass or something else that landed on his clothing.
Quote from: Evanus on Mar 02, 2017, 12:31:23 AM
Is that really his hair? Could be some grass or something else that landed on his clothing.
I was thinking about that just now. Everyone has said that it's hair, but I'm not sure anymore.
btw, i really did like the alien corridor scene with the red lights. instantly reminded me of this:
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Those eye sockets under the Alien's dome are spread apart, makes it look like a Grey alien skull and not a human one like the original had.
Quote from: Super Predator on Mar 02, 2017, 01:44:02 AM
Those eye sockets under the Alien's dome are spread apart, makes it look like a Grey alien skull and not a human one like the original had.
i was thinking the same thing, but i must say, i'm starting to wonder whether it's actually its eye sockets and instead a case of unfinished cgi?
(https://uproxx.files.wordpress.com/2017/02/xenomorph_alien.jpg?quality=100&w=650)
vs
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vs
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i think even if it unfinished cgi the eye sockets would be more complete
The two trailers that were just rated are the same length, if I'm not mistaken. That leads me to believe that the red band will be the same, except with blood restored to some shots that were cleaned up for the green-band. The red-band will probably just have more vivid color, be slightly brighter at times, and perhaps contain some added blood spray. The underside of the facehugger might be more pinkish-red and the characters may have blood on them during some shots. All without a change in running time... I think.
Quote from: Protozoid on Mar 02, 2017, 02:42:37 AM
The two trailers that were just rated are the same length, if I'm not mistaken. That leads me to believe that the red band will be the same, except with blood restored to some shots that were cleaned up for the green-band. The red-band will probably just have more vivid color, be slightly brighter at times, and perhaps contain some added blood spray. The underside of the facehugger might be more pinkish-red and the characters may have blood on them during some shots. All without a change in running time... I think.
Is it still planned for a release today?
I'm saying it will be released at midnight. It's the start of the new day.
Quote from: salomonj on Mar 02, 2017, 02:49:40 AM
Quote from: Protozoid on Mar 02, 2017, 02:42:37 AM
The two trailers that were just rated are the same length, if I'm not mistaken. That leads me to believe that the red band will be the same, except with blood restored to some shots that were cleaned up for the green-band. The red-band will probably just have more vivid color, be slightly brighter at times, and perhaps contain some added blood spray. The underside of the facehugger might be more pinkish-red and the characters may have blood on them during some shots. All without a change in running time... I think.
Is it still planned for a release today?
No idea, sorry. I get most of my Covenant news from these threads.
I think the latest it would come is the day it starts screening with Logan (March 3). Any later and they risk losing viewership to pirates.
I loved seeing the Xeno at the end, but I wonder if it was... too much? I think the trailer should have ended with the Xeno jumping through the corridor.
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The end part simply looked like a random scene from Avatar. The blue tone, cgi creature and cgi enhanced spaceship with a character sliding off to get hung at some corner; simply looked like Avatar.
This action stunt is so cliche-ridden and old which we've seen in tons of movies from Indian Jones to Star Wars.
Sorry, but I feel Michael Green has driven this to a contemporary horror action popcorn flick. Nothing innovatively new or concept rich like Prometheus.
"Nothing innovatively new or concept rich like Prometheus." Good! That movie was garbage.
Where is my red band trailer guys ? ;D
"Nothing innovatively new or concept rich like Prometheus." Good! That movie was garbage."
- Whoever wrote this, didn't get the movie!
i did not wanted to make a new thread, i did not know of this, it is pretty cool news http://bloody-disgusting.com/news/3426709/javier-botet-provided-xenomorph-motion-capture-alien-covenant/
I gotta say, the new trailer has my hyped AF. The last trailer made it look like Alien: Covenant was going to be a teen slasher B-movie. lol
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Mar 01, 2017, 10:11:12 PM
Quote from: szkoki on Mar 01, 2017, 08:43:59 PM"Meh" exactly. Just swap the Alien creatures in it and the word in the title, no one would watch this.
I'd go watch it.
the case is me too :D cant wait for LIFE aswell
Quote from: The_Foxcatcher on Mar 02, 2017, 07:09:45 AM
"Nothing innovatively new or concept rich like Prometheus." Good! That movie was garbage."
- Whoever wrote this, didn't get the movie!
Nah I think they just didn't like it.
Quote from: Jarac on Mar 02, 2017, 04:49:50 AM
I loved seeing the Xeno at the end, but I wonder if it was... too much? I think the trailer should have ended with the Xeno jumping through the corridor.
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I too caved in the end, and after 24 hours resisting the temptation, I watched it. I agree, they should have stopped the trailer at the red corridor.
For those of you who want some advice I offer some choices:
a) Don't watch the trailer at all or...
b) If you must - only watch the first 30%.
c) DON'T pause the trailer frame by frame as you will discover even more spoilers.
d) If you want to watch the whole trailer, only watch it on a small screen smartphone where details are so fleeting and small you will get an overall feeling for the trailer without neccessarily noticing spoliery stuff.
I have decided this is the turning point for me. From this point onwards I won't be watching any more footage, and will choose wisely what threads I visit.
For anyone interested, the trailer attached to Logan in Australia is just the original red band teaser.
Quote from: Super Predator on Mar 02, 2017, 01:44:02 AMThose eye sockets under the Alien's dome are spread apart, makes it look like a Grey alien skull and not a human one like the original had.
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(https://uproxx.files.wordpress.com/2017/02/xenomorph_alien.jpg?quality=100&w=650)
Maybe it's just me, but I'm really not seeing any eye sockets under there, just reflections on the dome.
Quote from: The_Foxcatcher on Mar 02, 2017, 07:09:45 AM"Nothing innovatively new or concept rich like Prometheus." Good! That movie was garbage."
- Whoever wrote this, didn't get the movie!
Prometheus wasn't bad because it tried something new. It was bad because it simply wasn't a very good film.
Quote from: motherfather on Mar 02, 2017, 07:56:04 AMc) DON'T pause the trailer frame by frame as you will discover even more spoilers.
:laugh: People who do that deserve all the spoilers they get.
I'll never understand the insatiable need to completely over-analyse everything about it. Just watch it and enjoy it as it was intended. It's only a trailer.
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Quote from: szkoki on Mar 01, 2017, 09:45:19 PM
I think the hooded person is Shaw. She killed the engineers because they wanted to kill us.
Well its someone with long hair. Most likely David.
This is what's confusing me. In the trailer, David doesn't have long hair when he's showing the one crew member the eggs?
I'm pretty sure one leak mentioned David changing his hairstyle to look like Walter, so that could explain it.
Oh okay. I wonder if David will be doing that when said character comes across him? I'm assuming that's what happens since it seems like that guy is searching a different part of the Juggernaut from everyone one else.
are you guys like blind or something?
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since when is this regarded as 'long hair'?????
How about we phrase our questions respectfully instead of coming off as a jerk?
Quote from: slipknotpredator on Mar 01, 2017, 11:53:09 PM
Soooo... where is the red band trailer???
We never knew if it'd be coming online or not, just that they sent some out to the cinemas and we would get a trailer online. We got our trailer online...Perhaps it'll show up online at a later date. They might still want the extra incentive to see Logan.
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Thats long hair, i didnt know androids could grow hair?? or did David do some stuff to himself wich altered him,
he not only has a god complex but i think he is trying to upgrade himself also.
Spoiler
i think this scene is from somewhere midway the movie, he is playing the saviour im assuming, luring them into the citadel, but from there on it gets complicated for me, because the android looking over Billy the captain has the looks of Walter,
im guessing David is gonna play some really nasty tricks on the survivors of the neomorph attack inside the citadel.
Also a big question to me are the eggs in that room, they are HUGE!!! so he found a way to create eggs, and eggs create facehuggers, facehuggers produce xenomorphs, so the origin of the xenomorph is most likely gonna come out of,
mixing the flora and fauna with the black goo and mixing that with human dna or hosting you will get creatures that hate humans, so its nature finding a way to destroy and attack us humans as we are destroying nature for years ;)
"Prometheus wasn't bad because it tried something new. It was bad because it simply wasn't a very good film."
Prometheus is a great movie; very much layered & concept-rich.
People who dislikes are the ones who demands every information to come from the movie and cannot form logical conjectures or are the ones who did not pay attention to so many things (for instance, Vickers and Shaw turning a sharp 90 degree turn at one moment and not just running in straight line) or are downright stupid (such as expecting the 2094 medicines to today's standards) or the ones who couldn't figure that half of the crews were recruited by Vickers, a power hungry woman who wasn't in full support of her dad's agenda.
Prometheus expanded the Alien universe & explored many ideas on several scales and delivered an intriguing adventure drama more than a thriller/horror action.
From its amazing visuals, sets, costumes to layered & memorable characters like David, Shaw, Vickers; Just like Alien (1979), Prometheus has far more repeat viewing appeal than any other Alien franchise movies.
It maintained simplicity and only played with the DNA of Xenomorph and created the horror without showing a Xenomorph and filled the movie with alluring moments of planetary adventure, space jockey universe & expedition.
One of the key reasons for excitement of Alien: Covenant is to see David & Shaw's adventure continue. Creatures have been played enough and I doubt sensible Alien fans are excited for Covenant just for some monster hunt.
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Mar 02, 2017, 08:51:42 AM
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We never knew if it'd be coming online or not, just that they sent some out to the cinemas and we would get a trailer online. We got our trailer online...Perhaps it'll show up online at a later date. They might still want the extra incentive to see Logan.
Logan has over 90% fresh reviews on RT and shirtless Hugh Jackman. They need no further incentive :)
I'm sure it will drop online tomorrow
QuotePeople who dislikes are the ones who demands every information to come from the movie and cannot form logical conjectures or are the ones who did not pay attention to so many things (for instance, Vickers and Shaw turning a sharp 90 degree turn at one moment and not just running in straight line) or are downright stupid (such as expecting the 2094 medicines to today's standards) or the ones who couldn't figure that half of the crews were recruited by Vickers, a power hungry woman who wasn't in full support of her dad's agenda.
Or, people who thought it was a poorly edited mess that wasn't as smart as it thought it was;
or just people who flat out didn't like the movie for any of a million number of subjective reasons relating to taste and preferences.
Can we not dismiss people who don't like something as "not getting it"? That's the oldest, lamest, laziest, poorest excuse for a defence ever conceived and it needs to be put to rest.
Quote from: The_Foxcatcher on Mar 02, 2017, 10:01:24 AMPeople who dislikes are the ones who demands every information to come from the movie and cannot form logical conjectures or are the ones who did not pay attention to so many things (for instance, Vickers and Shaw turning a sharp 90 degree turn at one moment and not just running in straight line) or are downright stupid (such as expecting the 2094 medicines to today's standards) or the ones who couldn't figure that half of the crews were recruited by Vickers, a power hungry woman who wasn't in full support of her dad's agenda.
Yeah, as SiL says, the implication I didn't like it because I didn't understand it is kinda insulting and presumptuous, as is the suggestion I need to have every little thing spoon-fed to me for me to enjoy a movie.
I understand what the film was trying to do. It just did a piss-poor job of achieving it.
"It just did a piss-poor job of achieving it."
It did a great job. In what was you think it did a piss-poor job?
It answered its main question halfway through the movie, then raised a second pertinent question that it sidelined literally at the last second for a monster on a spaceship showdown. That's a piss poor job.
Moreover, there's the fact any meaningful exploration of deep, existential themes it might have achieved was competently undermined by the fact the characters in it were complete morons and because it was full of logical inconsistencies.
But this isn't really the thread for that. It's been discussed to death on here why a lot of people didn't think it was a particularly great (or intelligent) film.
I don't know which question you're referring to have answered halfway through the movie.
If you're referring the last question as to 'Why the creators wanted to kill us?', the movie unapologetically was meant to end with a big question!
If that pisses you off, fine.
But, It pissed you off.
It didn't do a piss-poor job to be the movie what it was intended to be.
Quote from: The_Foxcatcher on Mar 02, 2017, 10:33:24 AMIf you're referring the last question as to 'Why the creators wanted to kill us?', the movie unapologetically was meant to end with a big question!
It's not that the film didn't answer it. It's that it felt like the people making it hadn't thought of a decent answer to that question themselves. So they ignored it in favour of a monster killing people.
That's not intelligent film-making. That's a half-finished job.
Quote from: The_Foxcatcher on Mar 02, 2017, 10:01:24 AM
One of the key reasons for excitement of Alien: Covenant is to see David & Shaw's adventure continue. Creatures have been played enough and I doubt sensible Alien fans are excited for Covenant just for some monster hunt.
I quite like Prometheus and at least it was trying to do something new which is not something Covenant is aiming for, at least from everything I read and saw about it so far it doesn't seem to. That said Vickers turning may be true, but I guarantee most people who saw this movie don't even remember this character's name and the only thing they'd say about her is her running like an idiot. I don't think most people are seeing this for characters, they are seeing it for creatures. People probably don't care about Shaw and just remember Fassbender played a robot in the first part and that's it. I cannot really blame them because while the actors did a wonderful job the characters weren't very memorable
Drop the conversation guys, some like the movie some dont, its a fact it didnt turn out the way it supposed to be,
Lindelof will confirm this face to face and so will Ridley confirm it face to face.
In the end every movie and every song is just a matter of taste, feel and in what part of your life you encountered that experience,
some people were terribly sick when watching Prometheus and it made them feel even worse, some just didnt liked it, and some loved it.
Its not a hard movie to understand, its a sci fi thriller that felt short.
You love it or you hate it or you are ok with it, but not worth the dissrespecting and losing yourself over someone elses million dollar project.
Look beyond this, if Covenant fails, we as fans will probably not see any alien type movies in lets say the upcoming 8 years.
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Mar 02, 2017, 10:35:42 AM
Quote from: The_Foxcatcher on Mar 02, 2017, 10:33:24 AMIf you're referring the last question as to 'Why the creators wanted to kill us?', the movie unapologetically was meant to end with a big question!
It's not that the film didn't answer it. It's that it felt like the people making it hadn't thought of a decent answer to that question themselves. So they ignored it in favour of a monster killing people.
That's not intelligent film-making. That's a half-finished job.
You are both arguing about your opinions. As HuDa just said. Leave it. It has been discussed to death elsewhere.
"Moreover, there's the fact any meaningful exploration of deep, existential themes it might have achieved was competently undermined by the fact the characters in it were complete morons and because it was full of logical inconsistencies."
No. Not all the character were morons. Only Milburn & Fifield. You should remember that half the crews were recruited by Vickers. When it came to pilot, she hired the best one, which ultimately back-fired her at the end. When it came to scientists, she hired mediocre ones as she seemingly didn't want to have expert advice for the expedition and have her dad's agenda succeed. Shaw & Holloway were obviously not her recruits. And neither did they act stupid (Except if you want to nitpick on Holloway, to have his helmet removed after both David and Ford confirming that the air was much cleaner). A hint was already given in the movie when Vickers tried to mandate Shaw & Holloway to report back to the ship once they find any beings down there. So if Milburn & Fifield were Vickers' puppets, its obvious that she gave the same instructions to both of them even; and that's what happened, both Milburn & Fifield opted out - to report back to ship after they found the dead alien being and got lost.
That's the only stupid act I see: getting lost; yet not completely stupid. People say that Fifield had the whole maps and stuffs. Yes, but the Pups were activated from one particular point after entering the Dome. And from there, the pups went hovering inside the dome. None of the pups went out. So the route from the point where the pups were activated to the exit wouldn't have mapped. So Fifield & Milburn would have gotten lost after reaching the point where the pups were activated.
"But this isn't really the thread for that. It's been discussed to death on here why a lot of people didn't think it was a particularly great (or intelligent) film. "
Yes, true. I should stop it here. And anyway, Prometheus is a thinking man's movie and there's no sense in justifying to those who just want to nitpick and see the movie at face value without getting deeper in to it.
Quote from: The_Foxcatcher on Mar 02, 2017, 10:50:11 AM
"Moreover, there's the fact any meaningful exploration of deep, existential themes it might have achieved was competently undermined by the fact the characters in it were complete morons and because it was full of logical inconsistencies."
No. Not all the character were morons. Only Milburn & Fifield. You should remember that half the crews were recruited by Vickers. When it came to pilot, she hired the best one, which ultimately back-fired her at the end. When it came to scientists, she hired mediocre ones as she seemingly didn't want to have expert advice for the expedition and have her dad's agenda succeed. Shaw & Holloway were obviously not her recruits. And neither did they act stupid (Except if you want to nitpick on Holloway, to have his helmet removed after both David and Ford confirming that the air was much cleaner). A hint was already given in the movie when Vickers tried to mandate Shaw & Holloway to report back to the ship once they find any beings down there. So if Milburn & Fifield were Vickers' puppets, its obvious that she gave the same instructions to both of them even; and that's what happened, both Milburn & Fifield opted out - to report back to ship after they found the dead alien being and got lost.
That's the only stupid act I see: getting lost; yet not completely stupid. People say that Fifield had the whole maps and stuffs. Yes, but the Pups were activated from one particular point after entering the Dome. And from there, the pups went hovering inside the dome. None of the pups went out. So the route from the point where the pups were activated to the exit wouldn't have mapped. So Fifield & Milburn would have gotten lost after reaching the point where the pups were activated.
"But this isn't really the thread for that. It's been discussed to death on here why a lot of people didn't think it was a particularly great (or intelligent) film. "
Yes, true. I should stop it here. And anyway, Prometheus is a thinking man's movie and there's no sense in justifying to those who just want to nitpick and see the movie at face value without getting deeper in to it.
You are intent on being rude, aren't You.
Quote from: The_Foxcatcher on Mar 02, 2017, 10:33:24 AM
I don't know which question you're referring to have answered halfway through the movie.
"Who are the Engineers?"
QuoteIf you're referring the last question as to 'Why the creators wanted to kill us?', the movie unapologetically was meant to end with a big question!
The movie ignored the question in favour of a lame monster in a closet ending. It's like ending
Alien by cutting away when the Alien has revealed itself in the shuttle and going to an Engineer stepping out of a Jockey suit.
I can see why Tristan Jones was asked to change the 'Big Chap' design in Defiance - Extravehicular. The staging of that scene featuring Big Chap climbing along the hull of the ship is really close to seeing the new Xeno at the end of this trailer clambering around the hull of the lander. The creatures look very similar as well.
"The movie ignored the question in favour of a lame monster"
Wow!
;)
Anyway, it was nice chatting with you. Adios!
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Please move the Prometheus discussion to the Prometheus board and can we keep it respectful towards each other: http://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/index.php?board=37.0
Here's my reactions and thoughts of the new trailer...
https://youtu.be/5t7UWtNkZcc (https://youtu.be/5t7UWtNkZcc)
Quote from: Space_Dementia on Mar 02, 2017, 12:57:03 PM
Here's my reactions and thoughts of the new trailer...
https://youtu.be/5t7UWtNkZcc (https://youtu.be/5t7UWtNkZcc)
I think the "horror" you refer to will be provided by the 'body horror' of backbursters, facehuggers etc. and how David plays into it. I'd imagine the xeno itself is more connected to action sequences (it certainly looks that way). And as Ridley himself has said the xeno has been done to death, I'd expect the xeno scenes to be relatively short.
Assuming that's a flare pistol in David's hand, since he's pointing it upwards & the scene has gone from dark to brightly lit?
(David as the Lightbringer is a very interesting identity!)
Quote from: SiL on Mar 01, 2017, 07:16:12 AM
I haven't been watching the GIFs. The movement's wrong, it has no real weight to it. I know they're supposed to be fast and agile and light but it's flowing too much.
That's my view. The would-be sense of weight and inertia is all off. The creature comes across as feather-light, not like the leaping scene it should have been trying to emulate from '
Aliens'.
Also just noticed the dorsal spike is missing. Can't quite tell if there are the traditional four or two tubes.
If this
is just a 'protomorph', then stuff like this and the lack of biomechanical aesthetics will be negligable. But if this is meant to be the Alien we all know, Creative Assembly has already out-done this film's attempt at authenticity.
Quote from: Cpt. Pike on Mar 01, 2017, 05:35:12 PM
They will NEVER be able to duplicate the scariness of Alien as its already been done.
That was Scott's perspective, but then along came '
Alien Isolation' and proved that assumption wrong. Even the brief cinematic adverts succeeded in that.
The interactivity of Isolation had a lot to do with it though, that adds an extra dimension of immersion and agency.
Quote from: Necronomicon II on Mar 02, 2017, 03:25:53 PM
The interactivity of Isolation had a lot to do with it though, that adds an extra dimension of immersion and agency.
Not with things like the advert above. That was pure presentation style, as were certain sequences in the game, too.
Presentation style/technique is what's of comparison value here.
Quote from: Necronomicon II on Mar 02, 2017, 03:25:53 PM
The interactivity of Isolation had a lot to do with it though, that adds an extra dimension of immersion and agency.
Exactly that. Isolation is a game. It's neither a live action film or cartoon. If it was shot as a film, with the same style, it wouldn't be any scarier than what's gone before.
i find the gamescon trailer to be pretty scary
that's without any interaction at all
I guess it is a little bit of both. You shall not forget that you absolutely had no way to fight this beast during the game up until the third act and every misstep meant death. The sadly f**ked up the scary atmosphere for me when they introduced the hive. That's where the Alien lost a bit of it's momentum imho.
I really hope they give the Alien some more establishing shots during Covenant, have close ups, show its grace like Isolation did as well rather than the full on action we got in the trailer.
The Alien indeed seems worn off from time to time, yet you can still marvel at its design. I guess apart from the dinosaurs in the first Jurassic Park no other creature has that much thought put into it in cinematic history. That's why it's indeed so iconic until this very day.
As time has passed I've become more and more desensitized to what I see in cinema and/or television.
This trailer creeped me out and it got me excited. The new creature design is really getting me that weird feeling I had as a child when I first saw "the beast" in ALIEN.
The ultramorph. in particular is weird for me. I don't think I know why exactly but that creature just looks weird and creepy and violent so I'm all aboard this hype train and I have a feeling I'll go see it multiple times in the theater.
Can't wait to see what Darth David brings to the table in this film (quite literally) and if Walter can bring balance to the force.
I know this is going to sound really, really wacko bizarre, but the way the alien is clinging on to the windscreen reminds me of Dr Zachary Smith's spider body in Lost In Space the movie.
It seems to have a very spider-y quality the way it is clinging hunkered onto the windscreen with its limbs at those angles. I half expect it to scuttle off around the rear of the ship and spin a web or something.
I love the new hands, and surprisingly the dorsal tubes. Design wise it's a thumbs up for me, still needs work on its framerate though.
Loved it as well, but the way the xeno moved had the first AVP film written all over it. Also you get a better look at david, i thought he was holding a grenade launcher in the first trailer, but now its clearly a flare gun pointing to the sky.
The part with the alien jumping from side to side in the tunnel, in the new trailer, reminded me of the shot in Aliens when the xeno jumps from wall to wall before Ripley guns it down, in the nest. Wires in that one. What looks to be digital animation and mo-cap, this time around. You could say it's akin to AvP but I imagine the finished footage for this movie will look much better than AvP did--given how awesome the digital effects for Prometheus were. I'm not worried. If the effects here look sub-par to some, in the trailer, they should hold their peace until the film actually comes out; visual, post-production effects can change radically from trailers to theatrical cuts.
CGI characters are always going to look CGI. If you worried about it already, then your not going to be happy when you see the film. It will look fake to you then as well, no matter how much they touch it up.
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Do you think all those humanoid Aliens on the planet are some less advanced race? They are not the same race of Engineers from Prometheus.
From what I have heard, yes.
Quote from: hfeldhaus on Mar 02, 2017, 10:49:31 PM
CGI characters are always going to look CGI. If you worried about it already, then your not going to be happy when you see the film. It will look fake to you then as well, no matter how much they touch it up.
Perhaps, but there is fake-looking and then there is fake-looking. Something can look fake and still look decent, I think. Hell, in Alien, the alien, at times, looks like a guy in a suit. In District 9, the mech-suit looks animated, but holy hell, does it look cool, at the same time. Pros and cons to any arrangement.
Quote from: NickisSmart on Mar 02, 2017, 11:16:14 PM
Quote from: hfeldhaus on Mar 02, 2017, 10:49:31 PM
CGI characters are always going to look CGI. If you worried about it already, then your not going to be happy when you see the film. It will look fake to you then as well, no matter how much they touch it up.
Perhaps, but there is fake-looking and then there is fake-looking. Something can look fake and still look decent, I think. Hell, in Alien, the alien, at times, looks like a guy in a suit. In District 9, the mech-suit looks animated, but holy hell, does it look cool, at the same time. Pros and cons to any arrangement.
Exactly, at some point you have to lower your expectations.
Awesome trailer, I'm completely sold. That part where Daniels asks if "they heard that" and then answers "nothing", just sent chills down my spine, making what followed after even scarier, and the music really amped it up. No complaints at all, bring it on.
P.S: Minor complaint, I think they could've managed without the final bit with the Alien on the (platform?) ship, but it still looked amazing.
What do you think the Neomorphs will sound like? I hope they sound a bit like the Deacon, to show some relation.
As long as the cgi in the completed film is on the same level as Prometheus, there shouldn't be any concern. The cgi in Prometheus looked wonderful. Scott and the studio have been getting the feedback concerning the monsters appearance. I'm sure that is one of the things they're working hardest on. Scott isn't going to release something that looks like garbage. Correct me if I'm wrong, but I think cgi is worked on up until like a week away from release so the artists still have a lot of time perfect it.
I know it's late but not that late. Remember Prometheus had a lot if practical effects, especially when it came to characters. There wasn't anything in Prometheus like the Alien we saw in the new trailer. Prometheus CGI was the ship and landscape mainly.
Love this trailer.
I don't know why people complain about the cgi. They must not have grown up in the 90s. The effects look seamless nowadays.
Yeah, this is bad CGI to me.
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It wasn't bad, just needs some more work. That's all. :)
I really liked that shot of the alien towards the end of the trailer with the drool. It was effective at evoking terror IMO.
The digitigrade legs caught my eye, lends credence to my speculation that Isolation was an influence, at least perhaps for the studio and crew, maybe Scott was shown some snippets of it?
Quote from: Necronomicon II on Mar 03, 2017, 02:43:16 AM
The digitigrade legs caught my eye, lends credence to my speculation that Isolation was an influence, at least perhaps for the studio and crew, maybe Scott was shown some snippets of it?
Alien 3 was the first to do it.
I actually prefer the original design that looks more human.
Quote from: echobbase79 on Mar 03, 2017, 01:34:02 AM
Yeah, this is bad CGI to me.
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It is truly amazing how far CGI has come since then.
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Quote from: echobbase79 on Mar 03, 2017, 01:34:02 AM
Yeah, this is bad CGI to me.
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It is truly amazing how far CGI has come since then.
Yikes! What movie is that? There are digital effects from the late 1980s that look better!
Finally got to see the trailor.. Loving it. .the way it starts of with everyone all blissfully happy and slowly turns to a freakish bloody nightmare from hell. .enjoyed everything down to the headbutting alien in the end. .cg looked fine to me. .theirs always room for improvement on that type of thing. . The 3D modeling tools and animation software have improved sligtly in recent years. .but i think the artists are trying harder and thats what is really making the difference. .the bench is getting higher and skills are developed accordingly. .
Quote from: echobbase79 on Mar 03, 2017, 01:34:02 AM
Yeah, this is bad CGI to me.
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Those are the worst examples, but I'm talking big budget movies. I think the top one is from Spawn? The Scorpion King was a sequel to The Mummy, which had pretty poor cgi as well.
Not all of it was bad though, like Jurassic Park or Starship Troopers. Still, nothing like today.
I Am Legend was a big budget film with bad cgi.
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Even the cgi aliens in Resurrection were pretty poor from what I recall. I haven't watched it in a long time.
They're decent in some shots, as ropey as the Alien3 puppet in others.
Quote from: echobbase79 on Mar 03, 2017, 04:30:57 AM
I Am Legend was a big budget film with bad cgi.
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Even the cgi aliens in Resurrection were pretty poor from what I recall. I haven't watched it in a long time.
I Am Legend was last decade. I'm talking within the last few years.
Computer technology advances very fast, so something made 10 years ago will seem primitive compared to today.
Expendables 2, London Has Fallen both had inexcusably bad CGI.
The trailer was okay. but like others posted, not a fan of the Alien CGI in the trailer. It looks totally fake with no sense of realism. A man in a suit and animatronic puppeteers just seem to work best for the Alien. I think that's a lot of the reason why Alien and Aliens were the best Alien movies. They actually looked real on screen.
The Alien in this trailer almost looks like a downgrade of the CGI used in Alien Resurrection. As a long time alien fan for decades, watching this preview lessened my excitement for this movie. I hope the alien isn't CGI in most of the appearances in this film. If so, that'll ruin it. CGI just doesn't work for aliens. Way too fake looking.
Someone has posted the red band trailer in another thread, but for some reason I can't leave any comments in that thread.
It definitely has a few short new shots, including
Spoiler
a close-up of a dead Engineer in David's lab, more blood in shots that were scrubbed for the green-band version, and a brief shot from the shower scene.
The alien was made for the darkness, to exist in the shadows; practically or digitally it never looks great exposed to harsh light.
I would of staged the scene at the end of the trailer at night. The scene would of had a nice contrast of the alien moving through the darkness, occasionally illuminated by the crafts exterior lighting.
Although I should really reserve judgment until I've seen it in full, I also felt the scene with the alien trying to break into the cockpit, should of been shot from an interior 1st person view; so the audience felt like Tennessee, trapped inside. Shooting it mostly from a 3rd person view of the alien, strips the scene of some intensity for me.
Quote from: Xeno_from_Chino on Mar 03, 2017, 05:52:04 AM
The trailer was okay. but like others posted, not a fan of the Alien CGI in the trailer. It looks totally fake with no sense of realism. A man in a suit and animatronic puppeteers just seem to work best for the Alien. I think that's a lot of the reason why Alien and Aliens were the best Alien movies. They actually looked real on screen.
The Alien in this trailer almost looks like a downgrade of the CGI used in Alien Resurrection. As a long time alien fan for decades, watching this preview lessened my excitement for this movie. I hope the alien isn't CGI in most of the appearances in this film. If so, that'll ruin it. CGI just doesn't work for aliens. Way too fake looking.
You should read some of the on-set interviews with the creature effects team; they all talk about how Ridley wanted as much done practically, in camera, as possible. So I don't think there's much to worry about on that front.
Quote from: Dangerous Days on Mar 03, 2017, 11:05:36 AM
Although I should really reserve judgment until I've seen it in full, I also felt the scene with the alien trying to break into the cockpit, should of been shot from an internal 1st person view; so the audience felt like Tennessee, trapped inside. Shooting it mostly from a 3rd person view of the alien, strips the scene of some intensity for me. But who am I to question the genius
visualist that is Ridley Scott. I'm sure the film will be packed with iconic imagery as usual.
Remember we're not seeing these scenes in their entireties.
Quote from: Dangerous Days on Mar 03, 2017, 11:05:36 AMAlthough I should really reserve judgment until I've seen it in full, I also felt the scene with the alien trying to break into the cockpit, should of been shot from an internal 1st person view; so the audience felt like Tennessee, trapped inside.
There's literally a shot of that in the trailer.
Plus, as you and Hicks say, this isn't the finished, edited scene. It's a trailer snippet.
Quote from: Dangerous Days on Mar 03, 2017, 11:05:36 AM
The alien was made for the darkness, to exist in the shadows; practically or digitally it never looks great exposed to harsh light.
I would of staged the scene at the end of the trailer at night. The scene would of had a nice contrast of the alien moving through the darkness, occasionally illuminated by the crafts exterior lighting
Man now I wish they've done this in the movie :/
Just a side question: is it actually possible to transfer a shoot done by day into night in post production? is that even possible with software we do have access to?
Quote from: dlb on Mar 03, 2017, 01:13:17 PM
Just a side question: is it actually possible to transfer a shoot done by day into night in post production? is that even possible with software we do have access to?
Miller did it with Mad Max - the night scenes are just colored day scenes
I know they did it on Stargate Universe too.
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Mar 03, 2017, 12:05:09 PM
There's literally a shot of that in the trailer.
Plus, as you and Hicks say, this isn't the finished, edited scene. It's a trailer snippet.
Yes, there is. But the point I was trying to make, is the way the scene is cut together in the trailer, I just felt the balance is off; with too many exterior shots of the alien, made me feel detached from the situation.
I'm sure the scene will be better balanced, with additional shots from Tennessee perspective, in the finished film. That's why I did mention, in my original post, that I should really reserve judgment until I've watched the scene in full.
^ I agree. Too many exterior shots of the Xeno. I hope it will look different in the movie.
Ridley thinks the Big Chap's design is no longer scary, so it makes sense to me that he's no longer filming it in a "scary" way. The shot in the trailer is designed to emphasize the new xeno's massive, intimidating size, like it's the film's bruiser villain. Compare the adult neomorph shots, filmed at night with quick cuts. Those are supposed to be scary.
Quote from: Dangerous Days on Mar 03, 2017, 01:42:24 PM
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Mar 03, 2017, 12:05:09 PM
There's literally a shot of that in the trailer.
Plus, as you and Hicks say, this isn't the finished, edited scene. It's a trailer snippet.
Yes, there is. But the point I was trying to make, is the way the scene is cut together in the trailer, I just felt the balance is off; with too many external shots of the alien, made me feel detached from the situation.
I'm sure the scene will be better balanced, with additional shots from Tennessee perspective, in the finished film. That's why I did mention, in my original post, that I should really reserve judgment until I've watched the scene in full.
We know that Daniels is also there as well. She could plausibly be the one witnessing the Xeno trying to smash through the glass. When it looks up and snarls in that final shot, good chance it's at Daniels.
Quote from: Xeno_from_Chino on Mar 03, 2017, 05:52:04 AM
The trailer was okay. but like others posted, not a fan of the Alien CGI in the trailer. It looks totally fake with no sense of realism. A man in a suit and animatronic puppeteers just seem to work best for the Alien. I think that's a lot of the reason why Alien and Aliens were the best Alien movies. They actually looked real on screen.
The Alien in this trailer almost looks like a downgrade of the CGI used in Alien Resurrection. As a long time alien fan for decades, watching this preview lessened my excitement for this movie. I hope the alien isn't CGI in most of the appearances in this film. If so, that'll ruin it. CGI just doesn't work for aliens. Way too fake looking.
respect...but imo the aliens look good in the trailer with cgi...they look much more dangerous and aggressive with the cgi highlighting how fast and agile they are...you cant achieve that with puppets, animatronics, or a guy in a suit...the models in "alien" and "aliens" were really good for that time period plus those were just really great movies, plot, and characters...i guess if its done right in certain shots but to see the creatures in thier full glory head to tail moving and attacking...cgi seems the way to go
Quote from: shawsbaby on Mar 03, 2017, 02:16:09 PM
We know that Daniels is also there as well. She could plausibly be the one witnessing the Xeno trying to smash through the glass. When it looks up and snarls in that final shot, good chance it's at Daniels.
Yeah, your probably right... Damn! We need some more context. May can't come soon enough.
Quote from: MajorB on Mar 03, 2017, 02:12:28 PM
Ridley thinks the Big Chap's design is no longer scary, so it makes sense to me that he's no longer filming it in a "scary" way. The shot in the trailer is designed to emphasize the new xeno's massive, intimidating size, like it's the film's bruiser villain. Compare the adult neomorph shots, filmed at night with quick cuts. Those are supposed to be scary.
The shower scene in the original trailer, with its hunting camera, looked as if Scott was trying to present the alien in a more traditional horror way. Time will tell I guess.
Actually watching the gif of the xeno over and over again...it looks like a combination of practical and cgi...specially in the dome
https://s13.postimg.org/bzziiph8n/Xenomorph3.gif
Quote from: Dangerous Days on Mar 03, 2017, 03:13:57 PM
Quote from: MajorB on Mar 03, 2017, 02:12:28 PM
Ridley thinks the Big Chap's design is no longer scary, so it makes sense to me that he's no longer filming it in a "scary" way. The shot in the trailer is designed to emphasize the new xeno's massive, intimidating size, like it's the film's bruiser villain. Compare the adult neomorph shots, filmed at night with quick cuts. Those are supposed to be scary.
The shower scene in the original trailer, with its hunting camera, looked as if Scott was trying to present the alien in a more traditional horror way. Time will tell I guess.
I'm not convinced that they're the same creature.
Quote from: MajorB on Mar 03, 2017, 05:16:49 PM
Quote from: Dangerous Days on Mar 03, 2017, 03:13:57 PM
Quote from: MajorB on Mar 03, 2017, 02:12:28 PM
Ridley thinks the Big Chap's design is no longer scary, so it makes sense to me that he's no longer filming it in a "scary" way. The shot in the trailer is designed to emphasize the new xeno's massive, intimidating size, like it's the film's bruiser villain. Compare the adult neomorph shots, filmed at night with quick cuts. Those are supposed to be scary.
The shower scene in the original trailer, with its hunting camera, looked as if Scott was trying to present the alien in a more traditional horror way. Time will tell I guess.
I'm not convinced that they're the same creature.
What makes you say that ?
Quote from: Russ840 on Mar 03, 2017, 05:47:36 PM
Quote from: MajorB on Mar 03, 2017, 05:16:49 PM
Quote from: Dangerous Days on Mar 03, 2017, 03:13:57 PM
Quote from: MajorB on Mar 03, 2017, 02:12:28 PM
Ridley thinks the Big Chap's design is no longer scary, so it makes sense to me that he's no longer filming it in a "scary" way. The shot in the trailer is designed to emphasize the new xeno's massive, intimidating size, like it's the film's bruiser villain. Compare the adult neomorph shots, filmed at night with quick cuts. Those are supposed to be scary.
The shower scene in the original trailer, with its hunting camera, looked as if Scott was trying to present the alien in a more traditional horror way. Time will tell I guess.
I'm not convinced that they're the same creature.
What makes you say that ?
The xeno on top of the ship is just so damn huge!
Quote from: MajorB on Mar 03, 2017, 05:54:23 PM
The xeno on top of the ship is just so damn huge!
He's like a man. He's big!
"The xeno on top of the ship is just so damn huge!"
He is not that huge,its camera angle.
If I'm not mistaken the alien was always suppose do to be a bit bigger than an average man, 7-8 ft I believe. The other films tried camera tricks to make the creature seem taller but it wasn't always succesful.
Quote from: SM on Mar 03, 2017, 04:42:49 AM
They're decent in some shots, as ropey as the Alien3 puppet in others.
Yeah, the underwater stuff was good. It was the ladder scene that I thought the effects looked pretty suspect.
Quote from: Adorianu on Mar 03, 2017, 06:07:06 PM
"The xeno on top of the ship is just so damn huge!"
He is not that huge,its camera angle.
Perhaps you are right, but he seemed quite large to me as well.
ugh...... the cgi Alien looked worse than a lot of the special effects used in the space hunter movie
fraggle rock has more realism than this garbage , at least in fraggle rock you could believe in the creatures and the atmosphere ........ can't believe Scott greenlit that downgraded , completely unrealistic and pathetic creature
total loss of faith in my entire adulthood moving forward from this point .
honestly the worst thing to ever come from the " mind " of a human being .........
bring back the ballet dancers in rubber suits if you ask me .
DERP
One thing bothers me the most:
Crews not wearing helmets. How could they think there won't be any airborne microbes which could infect them? I mean they'll scan the atmosphere just like the crews did in Alien and Prometheus and say 'hey! There's oxygen, nitrogen, traces of Argon gas, just like Earth, so let's step out with no helmets on!'. And there were really those spore things which infects the crews, didn't it?
I mean Prometheus had the crews remove their helmet which passed off lot of people despite there weren't any airborne infections. But why repeat the same mistake just to advance the plot? Didn't the writers ever read audience's comments of concerns for Prometheus?
It diminishes the signature Alien movie treatment of crews with their helmets methodologically and cautiously exploring a strange off-wordly planet.
Secondly, they didn't even care to make the planet a bit different than Earth! Didn't even bother to give a weirdly different designs to the trees? I mean the Engineers lived on that planet but even they were a lot different looking humanoids.
I can't get excited as it feels like they are somewhere in New Zealand forest and about to die one by one like campers going on a holiday to some cabin in the woods.
Quote from: prometheusfire08 on Mar 04, 2017, 05:09:17 AMugh...... the cgi Alien looked worse than a lot of the special effects used in the space hunter movie
fraggle rock has more realism than this garbage , at least in fraggle rock you could believe in the creatures and the atmosphere ........ can't believe Scott greenlit that downgraded , completely unrealistic and pathetic creature
total loss of faith in my entire adulthood moving forward from this point .
honestly the worst thing to ever come from the " mind " of a human being .........
:laugh: Ridiculous overreaction much...
Yeah I'm. It seeing "bad CGI" that others are seeing. It's looks good to me. Looks like some refinements could be made and likely will.
Quote from: prometheusfire08 on Mar 04, 2017, 05:09:17 AM
DERP
One thing bothers me the most:
Crews not wearing helmets. How could they think there won't be any airborne microbes which could infect them? I mean they'll scan the atmosphere just like the crews did in Alien and Prometheus and say 'hey! There's oxygen, nitrogen, traces of Argon gas, just like Earth, so let's step out with no helmets on!'. And there were really those spore things which infects the crews, didn't it?
I mean Prometheus had the crews remove their helmet which passed off lot of people despite there weren't any airborne infections. But why repeat the same mistake just to advance the plot? Didn't the writers ever read audience's comments of concerns for Prometheus?
It diminishes the signature Alien movie treatment of crews with their helmets methodologically and cautiously exploring a strange off-wordly planet.
Secondly, they didn't even care to make the planet a bit different than Earth! Didn't even bother to give a weirdly different designs to the trees? I mean the Engineers lived on that planet but even they were a lot different looking humanoids.
I can't get excited as it feels like they are somewhere in New Zealand forest and about to die one by one like campers going on a holiday to some cabin in the woods.
The sea is filled with bacteria and viruses and all manner of microbes.
Why aren't beach goers dying in droves or showing any signs of infection?
Because those microbes didn't evolve to infect us.
An infectious disease co-evolves with us. The zoonotic diseases come from animals we have most contact with.
Swine flu, bird flu, Mad Cow Disease, Toxoplasmosis (from rats and cats) and AIDS (brought to us by our very closest natural relatives) etc etc.
Native Americans were infected by diseases brought from fellow humans to their lands.
Microbes on another world won't even notice us at first, it'll take generations upon generations before any mutations occur to allow infections.
The reason those spores infected the colonists is because these are
designed to infect humans.
Same for why Aliens can gestate in humans, because they're
designed to infect humans.
And if they're designed to infect us, that means they are also designed to infect Engineers due to their similarities to us physically and genetically. Their stuff is designed to infect anything they've created so that means all Earth life is fair game.
I really don't understand this argument, just because the Martians in War of the Worlds died from a sneeze, doesn't mean it actually always happens in real life. In fact, the Martians lived in sterile environments and had no immune system. Humans have an immune system so we'll be fine until one of the xeno-bacteria adapts to us and begins infecting which again will take time, it's not going to happen in one breath of fresh air.
Hell, the reason we're concerned about contamination on other worlds is
because we're worried about bringing our own bacteria to a sensitive environment that could be an invasive species.
Heh, just because the land is void of creatures doesn't mean the ocean isn't full of horror. Although I really think they'll be two types of alien, sans the neomorph.
Quote from: whiterabbit on Mar 04, 2017, 10:28:33 AM
Heh, just because the land is void of creatures doesn't mean the ocean isn't full of horror. Although I really think they'll be two types of alien, sans the neomorph.
When I saw the trailer, I thought it could be void because of whatever David may have done to the Engineers, it could've had the same effect on the wildlife too.
Maybe before his arrival, that place would've been teeming with life.
Quote from: The Alien Predator on Mar 04, 2017, 10:38:04 AMWhen I saw the trailer, I thought it could be void because of whatever David may have done to the Engineers, it could've had the same effect on the wildlife too.
Maybe before his arrival, that place would've been teeming with life.
I have the horrible feeling that there's a 'six days of Creation' allegory at work here. By day 4, according to the Biblical myth, the world had day and night and plants all over it, but no fish or animals yet.
Quote from: prometheusfire08 on Mar 04, 2017, 05:09:17 AM
ugh...... the cgi Alien looked worse than a lot of the special effects used in the space hunter movie
fraggle rock has more realism than this garbage , at least in fraggle rock you could believe in the creatures and the atmosphere ........ can't believe Scott greenlit that downgraded , completely unrealistic and pathetic creature
total loss of faith in my entire adulthood moving forward from this point .
honestly the worst thing to ever come from the " mind " of a human being .........
bring back the ballet dancers in rubber suits if you ask me .
David's horrifying final creations revealed! :o
Quote from: The Alien Predator on Mar 04, 2017, 10:38:04 AMWhen I saw the trailer, I thought it could be void because of whatever David may have done to the Engineers, it could've had the same effect on the wildlife too.
Maybe before his arrival, that place would've been teeming with life.
I kinda got that impression too. Maybe not David per se, but something had caused all the wildlife to disappear.
The planet got nuked with black goo one way or another. Be it war or an evil android. Be neat if all the aliens are hibernating in a giant cave though... something akin to "At the Mountains of Madness" when Daniels, the only survivor peers over the edge to see "all of it".
Though surprising that the black good doesn't wipe out the plants as well.
It's just speculation at the moment. As far as we know, the Engineers made more than just humans. Maybe all vegetation we are familiar with comes from them as well. Maybe wheat was engineered on Paradise and brought here? We don't know just yet.
We do know that Scott isn't thinking small. I get that. I just hope he isn't thinking clumsy, like he did with 'PROMETHEUS'. A movie of Grand Ideas and Ambition wrapped in coating of Stupid. 'PROMETHEUS' wasn't far from being an amazing movie all round, it just fell short in a few areas. Key areas, at that. Sadly, areas that just a little script doctoring could have greatly repaired.
I'm hoping 'ALIEN: Covenant' doesn't follow too closely in those footsteps. There's so much about this entry that looks like it's set to redefine the series in a positive way. I just hope it doesn't disappoint.
-Windebieste.
. .i don't think it.s gonna dissapoint. .speaking of wheat. .there are some healthy mother sized kernals on those wheats. . .what else intrigiud me about the new trailer. . Ah the alien headbutting the window. .thats some pretty tough glass. . .and i thought it was quite clever that it used it's head for a change. .and how clever of me to use that pun. .if i have to say so myself. .lol. .anyway i don't think the tiny jaw would have fared well. .would have looked silly if it was biting the glass. .asuming it even has a tiny jaw. .just cannot quite imagine it would have enought force to smash a glass that thick and strong. .back of a scull. .seems plausible enought. .
What if we start a meme going did Alien Covenant Kill Prometheus? and send the internet community in a frenzy and then for all time new Alien movies and sequels will KILL their predecessors because we started this viral thought experiment.
Wheat was planted by Shaw and David.
You can't patch an ass-hat story with more aliens, and all I see is more aliens. I really hope that this is a meaningful sequel. Scott riled up the horse, let's see him ride it like he means it.
And why are there no animals? Already this film makes no sense...
Quote from: ChrisPachi on Mar 06, 2017, 01:16:34 PM
And why are there no animals? Already this film makes no sense...
Just from the trailer we can assume that whatever happened to the engineers on Paradise also happened to the animals.
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Quote from: ChrisPachi on Mar 06, 2017, 01:16:34 PM
And why are there no animals? Already this film makes no sense...
Just from the trailer we can assume that whatever happened to the engineers on Paradise also happened to the animals.
What I don't get, is that in Prometheus the black goo on LV-223
mutates everything it makes contact with. In Alien Covenant it doesn't mutate the engineers and the animals, it simply
kills them. However, it does mutate some of the plants... Doesn't make much sense.
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Quote from: 426Buddy on Mar 06, 2017, 01:21:46 PM
Quote from: ChrisPachi on Mar 06, 2017, 01:16:34 PM
And why are there no animals? Already this film makes no sense...
Just from the trailer we can assume that whatever happened to the engineers on Paradise also happened to the animals.
What I don't get, is that in Prometheus the black goo on LV-223 mutates everything it makes contact with. In Alien Covenant it doesn't mutate the engineers and the animals, it simply kills them. However, it does mutate some of the plants... Doesn't make much sense.
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I'm expecting that the animal life and the engineers were killed during or right after exposure to the goo. Probably by some kind of quarantine procedure, one that seems to petrify on contact.
Quote from: 426Buddy on Mar 06, 2017, 01:31:21 PM
Quote from: Evanus on Mar 06, 2017, 01:28:33 PM
Quote from: 426Buddy on Mar 06, 2017, 01:21:46 PM
Quote from: ChrisPachi on Mar 06, 2017, 01:16:34 PM
And why are there no animals? Already this film makes no sense...
Just from the trailer we can assume that whatever happened to the engineers on Paradise also happened to the animals.
What I don't get, is that in Prometheus the black goo on LV-223 mutates everything it makes contact with. In Alien Covenant it doesn't mutate the engineers and the animals, it simply kills them. However, it does mutate some of the plants... Doesn't make much sense.
Spoiler
I'm expecting that the animal life and the engineers were killed during or right after exposure to the goo. Probably by some kind of quarantine procedure.
Yeah, that makes more sense. Could also explain why some of the corpses have a very active posture.
Most of those who complained about space jockeys'*revelation as humanoids in Prometheus.....
... Are going to miss the same 'Engineers' a lot.
Infact, a glimpse of a live Engineer with his biomechanical suit in the trailer would have made me enough excited than a rehashed, revamped Xeno/Neo-morph attacking people.
Quote from: Evanus on Mar 06, 2017, 01:28:33 PMWhat I don't get, is that in Prometheus the black goo on LV-223 mutates everything it makes contact with.
Who says it was the goo that killed them? Maybe it was what the goo made that killed everything.
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Mar 06, 2017, 02:49:59 PM
Quote from: Evanus on Mar 06, 2017, 01:28:33 PMWhat I don't get, is that in Prometheus the black goo on LV-223 mutates everything it makes contact with.
Who says it was the goo that killed them? Maybe it was what the goo made that killed everything.
Well, the leaks make it sound like
Spoiler
David shoots the black goo at them and they all just die.
But what 426Buddy says makes a lot more sense.
Quote from: Loftyshine on Mar 06, 2017, 02:31:34 PM
Most of those who complained about space jockeys'*revelation as humanoids in Prometheus.....
... Are going to miss the same 'Engineers' a lot.
Infact, a glimpse of a live Engineer with his biomechanical suit in the trailer would have made me enough excited than a rehashed, revamped Xeno/Neo-morph attacking people.
Not really
'Most of'
You won't
Most of already does.
Agree to our disagreement.!
Quote from: Evanus on Mar 06, 2017, 02:54:19 PM
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Mar 06, 2017, 02:49:59 PM
Quote from: Evanus on Mar 06, 2017, 01:28:33 PMWhat I don't get, is that in Prometheus the black goo on LV-223 mutates everything it makes contact with.
Who says it was the goo that killed them? Maybe it was what the goo made that killed everything.
Well, the leaks make it sound like Spoiler
David shoots the black goo at them and they all just die.
What did 426Buddy say?
Quote from: salomonj on Mar 08, 2017, 06:21:28 AM
Quote from: Evanus on Mar 06, 2017, 02:54:19 PM
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Mar 06, 2017, 02:49:59 PM
Quote from: Evanus on Mar 06, 2017, 01:28:33 PMWhat I don't get, is that in Prometheus the black goo on LV-223 mutates everything it makes contact with.
Who says it was the goo that killed them? Maybe it was what the goo made that killed everything.
Well, the leaks make it sound like Spoiler
David shoots the black goo at them and they all just die.
What did 426Buddy say?
Here:
QuoteSpoiler
I'm expecting that the animal life and the engineers were killed during or right after exposure to the goo. Probably by some kind of quarantine procedure, one that seems to petrify on contact.
http://www.avpgalaxy.net/gallery/thumbnails.php?album=363
Screen caps are now in the gallery. Enjoy!
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Mar 08, 2017, 08:38:53 AMScreen caps are now in the gallery. Enjoy!
This...
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(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/gallery/albums/userpics/10003/Alien-Covenant-Final-Trailer-094.jpg)
Those hundreds of humans/aliens/engineers weren't laid to waste in situ by goo. Goo doesn't do that. Supersonic clouds of volcanic ash do that, but volcanic eruptions tend to destroy trees (and wheat) as well as animals. Whoever these beings were they were smitten/struck down Old Testament style. "Philistines versus the Ark of the Covenant" style.
I will never forget this brilliantly put question and its curious reply when Valaquen interviewed Ian Whyte (https://alienseries.wordpress.com/2013/08/15/strange-shapes-interviews-ian-whyte/) in 2013:
QuoteValaquen: The Engineer is a mysterious being. We don't know where he came from, and we have only the thinnest understanding of his mission. When you play such a creature do you formulate a backstory and attitude in your head? Who, as far as you're concerned, is the Engineer?
Ian Whyte: Someone on the crew, (I forget exactly who) described them absolutely perfectly as "Truck drivers of the apocalypse!" They serve a higher power/intelligence, unnamed and unknown.
Of course it is entirely possible that the "someone on the crew" was full of shit, but it has long been speculated, both before and after the release of
Prometheus, that the engineers weren't the end game. The abject failure of the engineers behaviour in
Prometheus to portray superior (or even basic) intelligence was a major beef for many people. For far less people (possibly just me) the fact that the engineer pilot was diminutive when compared to the original pilot just raised the discord.
Note that that image doesn't show a lone temple on a dead moon; it shows a cultured city on a rich and living planet. And everything is dead. Goo changes things. Aliens eat or appropriate things. Only god murders with impunity.
Quote from: ChrisPachi on Mar 08, 2017, 12:36:59 PM
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Mar 08, 2017, 08:38:53 AMScreen caps are now in the gallery. Enjoy!
This...
Spoiler
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/gallery/albums/userpics/10003/Alien-Covenant-Final-Trailer-094.jpg)
Those hundreds of humans/aliens/engineers weren't laid to waste in situ by goo. Goo doesn't do that. Supersonic clouds of volcanic ash do that, but volcanic eruptions tend to destroy trees (and wheat) as well as animals. Whoever these beings were they were smitten/struck down Old Testament style. "Philistines versus the Ark of the Covenant" style.
I will never forget this brilliantly put question and its curious reply when Valaquen interviewed Ian Whyte (https://alienseries.wordpress.com/2013/08/15/strange-shapes-interviews-ian-whyte/) in 2013:
QuoteValaquen: The Engineer is a mysterious being. We don't know where he came from, and we have only the thinnest understanding of his mission. When you play such a creature do you formulate a backstory and attitude in your head? Who, as far as you're concerned, is the Engineer?
Ian Whyte: Someone on the crew, (I forget exactly who) described them absolutely perfectly as "Truck drivers of the apocalypse!" They serve a higher power/intelligence, unnamed and unknown.
Of course it is entirely possible that the "someone on the crew" was full of shit, but it has long been speculated, both before and after the release of Prometheus, that the engineers weren't the end game. The abject failure of the engineers behaviour in Prometheus to portray superior (or even basic) intelligence was a major beef for many people. For far less people (possibly just me) the fact that the engineer pilot was diminutive when compared to the original pilot just raised the discord.
Note that that image doesn't show a lone temple on a dead moon; it shows a cultured city on a rich and living planet. And everything is dead. Goo changes things. Aliens eat or appropriate things. Only god murders with impunity.
I hope your correct that there is something MUCH bigger is at play here. The whole idea of David wiping out the planet with goo leaves a lot to be desired as far as I'm concerned.
Quote from: ChrisPachi on Mar 08, 2017, 12:36:59 PMThose hundreds of humans/aliens/engineers weren't laid to waste in situ by goo. Goo doesn't do that. Supersonic clouds of volcanic ash do that, but volcanic eruptions tend to destroy trees (and wheat) as well as animals.
Plant life can grown back a lot faster than a petrified body will erode. Especially as volcanic ash is so fertile.
Could be the motion blur but this doesn't look like the traditional facehugger.
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(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/gallery/albums/userpics/10003/Alien-Covenant-Final-Trailer-096.jpg)
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/gallery/albums/userpics/10003/Alien-Covenant-Final-Trailer-097.jpg)
And that ain't Cudrup!
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(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/gallery/albums/userpics/10003/Alien-Covenant-Final-Trailer-109.jpg)
I'm probably wrong though.
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Mar 08, 2017, 01:30:46 PMPlant life can grown back a lot faster than a petrified body will erode. Especially as volcanic ash is so fertile.
Yep, a Pompeii style catastrophe is not off the cards.
Quote from: hfeldhaus on Mar 08, 2017, 01:54:45 PM
And that ain't Cudrup!
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(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/gallery/albums/userpics/10003/Alien-Covenant-Final-Trailer-109.jpg)
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I'm 99% sure it's him.
Quote from: Ingwar on Mar 08, 2017, 03:08:35 PM
Quote from: hfeldhaus on Mar 08, 2017, 01:54:45 PM
And that ain't Cudrup!
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(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/gallery/albums/userpics/10003/Alien-Covenant-Final-Trailer-109.jpg)
Spoiler
I'm 99% sure it's him.
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Yeah it is, just watched the trailer again.
Now THIS trailer is awesome! And love the alien design, love it, closest to the original since Aliens
I just noticed that the neomorph's face is visible in the trailer.
Quote from: bobcunk on Mar 09, 2017, 04:48:02 AM
I just noticed that the neomorph's face is visible in the trailer.
Yeah, and it looks like a butt! :D
Quick question, may have already been discussed:
At 1:38 one of the female crew member is running from something - sounds and looks like lots of little...things? Am I totally wrong? Does any one know a bit more / have any other ideas as to whats going on?
Cheers
I think that's just the glass exploding as the creature breaks through.
Quote from: whiterabbit on Mar 09, 2017, 11:39:28 AM
I think that's just the glass exploding as the creature breaks through.
Ah, I think you're right. Silly me.
I'm guessing that's the back buster?
Quote from: Bonus Situation on Mar 09, 2017, 11:53:00 AM
Quote from: whiterabbit on Mar 09, 2017, 11:39:28 AM
I think that's just the glass exploding as the creature breaks through.
Ah, I think you're right. Silly me.
I'm guessing that's the back buster?
Spoiler
Yes.
The goo is still a lame movie gimmick.
Like zombies.
Cheap movie makeup
Or making the Cylons look human. Cheap and all for "easy reader" story telling.
The mystery is totally lost now.
Quote from: Vermillion on Mar 09, 2017, 12:55:20 PM
The goo is still a lame movie gimmick.
Like zombies.
Cheap movie makeup
Or making the Cylons look human. Cheap and all for "easy reader" story telling.
The mystery is totally lost now.
Maybe so but I can almost see it being a real weapon of mass destruction and that is where Ridley is coming from with it. It could also be something more innate to the universe itself or even sentient. However there is no "science fiction" reason to dismiss it as a gimmick. That's like calling "kill it with fire" a lame movie gimmick. Also you can't fault zombies for being nothing more than people it make-up... not every movie needs a gigantic malfunctioning fake shark.
Guy in suit work very well.
I was hoping WY was the ones that were trying to turn a sentient docile being into a weapon.
Quote from: StrangeShape on Mar 09, 2017, 04:31:59 AM
Now THIS trailer is awesome! And love the alien design, love it, closest to the original since Aliens
I think it looks closer to the alien 3 and resurrection ones but i like it.
I hope the rifles sound like pulse rifles.
That would add 10$ mill to the box office.
Quote from: bobcunk on Mar 10, 2017, 01:26:00 AM
Quote from: StrangeShape on Mar 09, 2017, 04:31:59 AM
Now THIS trailer is awesome! And love the alien design, love it, closest to the original since Aliens
I think it looks closer to the alien 3 and resurrection ones but i like it.
No no no, not resurection, at all. The headshape is that of the original, or aliens too (since it was the same mold), the penis shaped back of the head is finally back since Alien 3 as oppose to the pointy spoon end that the aliens had since Resurrection. LOVE IT The ribs also are closer to the original rather than the more human like ribs the alien had from the Runner up
edit: its also the first alien since Aliens that has the two-bulged shape of the head, if you look from the top. The original, and Aliens (since theyre the same mold) aliens didnt have a single oblong shape of the head, it was as if the skull area connected to the oblong shape, almost as if theyre two separate pieces. All the aliens from Alien 3 had just one unbroken shape
Quote from: ChrisPachi on Mar 06, 2017, 01:16:34 PM
why are there no animals? Already this film makes no sense...
lol.
why are there no animals in prometheus? makes no sense.....similar to the rest of the movies.
i'm curious on why there would need to be animals to make sense to an alien movie. i dont think the presense of animals makes any single difference,
but i'd like to know why that would make a movie make sense or not though
i dont really think this franchise should house a variety of animals, really, as inevitably that means we are going to supposedly see alien animals,
and that's where it goes wrong fast. i would hate to see the franchise get destroyed by corny lame-ass alien animals that make no sense, like the star wars universe and the star trek universe especially since abrams stepped in.
worse, you'll get 'predators' creatures in it.
please, let alien animals out of the picture, if you'd ask me.
edit reason: perhaps looked hostile, wasnt meant to.also expanded my point.
Quote from: cliffhanger on Mar 11, 2017, 09:57:18 PM
Quote from: ChrisPachi on Mar 06, 2017, 01:16:34 PM
why are there no animals? Already this film makes no sense...
lol.
why are there no animals in prometheus? makes no sense.
why are there no animals in LV-426 in alien? makes no sense
why are there no animals in LV-426 in aliens? makes no sense.
why are there no animals in alien resurection? makes no sense.
i'm curious on why there would need to be animals to make sense to an alien movie. i dont think the presense of animals makes any single difference.
Because this planet is, or at least was, a lot more like earth. However, the animals were probably killed by the the black goo or whatever killed the engineers too.
Awesomeness! Really enjoyed this! Of course right now just getting to see anything is awesome! Lol
So apologies if I missed anything, n00b here, but that shot of the field of corpses surrounding a huge temple complex was super intriguing...
Does anybody have any insight/credible theories on that?
Quote from: jm79 on Mar 14, 2017, 12:32:28 PM
So apologies if I missed anything, n00b here, but that shot of the field of corpses surrounding a huge temple complex was super intriguing...
Does anybody have any insight/credible theories on that?
Well, they are either Engineers or creations of theirs who have either been annihilated by David dropping the black goo on them or they've been fried by lightning!
It was the ARK of the Covenant Lightning from Raiders.
(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20170314/ba0a1b619e81f03793c3025f3edcf9f0.jpg)
Wouldn't that be funny. Lol
Quote from: cliffhanger on Mar 11, 2017, 09:57:18 PMwhy are there no animals in prometheus? makes no sense.....similar to the rest of the movies.
The rest of the movies had no animals (pets aside) because they were set on either "The Shitiest Moon" (426), "The Shitiest Planet" (161) or "The Shitiest Spaceship" (USMRV118).
Prometheus was set on "The Slightly Less Shitty" moon (223), and it was made clear in the film that it couldn't support lifeforms that were killed by CO2 (eg. all lifeforms).
Alien Covenant is set on a "This Is Just Like Earth" planet. Huge forests, precipitation, waterfalls; if you have an earth-like forest, you have an earth-like ecosystem. Nothing evolves in a vacuum. So where did the animals go? Were they eaten by the aliens? Appropriated by the spores?
Quotei'm curious on why there would need to be animals to make sense to an alien movie.
Alien movie or not, the new setting begs the question; what happened to the animals? The birds? Were they eaten, made into hosts..or did they get goo on them and vanish into the realm of lazy science fiction?
QuoteWell, they are either Engineers or creations of theirs who have either been annihilated by David dropping the black goo on them or they've been fried by lightning!
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Indiana Jones.
I swear there will be a reference.
Vermillion, you might want to take a breath for a second. :D
When the trailer got real...
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/gallery/albums/userpics/10003/Alien-Covenant-Final-Trailer-092.jpg)
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It's Like a Raison Bran commercial
"Raisin Bran. The sweet taste of getting chased by a Neomorph."
Scified member (
Ingeniero) has provided a good analysis of some background images of the recent International Trailer, and thought should share it here for discussion..
So could be possible this is their homeworld, and not like how it was on LV-223.
QuoteThe temple columns are visible in the background behind Daniels on Paradise.
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(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.alien-covenant.com%2Faliencovenant_uploads%2Fdaniels_holding_on2.jpg&hash=fc81f5b0a32982243ee720f94fa55a742b1a14ed)
QuoteThe temple structure is visible in these images. and what appears to be city/villages.
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(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.alien-covenant.com%2Faliencovenant_uploads%2Fdaniels_temple_background_gun.jpg&hash=a9b65bc21b94933855a2de0ed8807d6f924a3b5c)
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http://www.alien-covenant.com/topic/43767 (http://www.alien-covenant.com/topic/43767)
The gold angled structure certainly looks very interesting.
Kinda reminds me of mos eisley. ;)
Nice find
48 days ;D
Merged with existing trailer thread. Pretty sure these have been picked up on before.
I'm getting a sort of old world style greek/roman design with that city.
Quote from: Pvt. Himmel on Mar 23, 2017, 12:48:31 PM
I'm getting a sort of old world style greek/roman design with that city.
Yeah.
Aye, definitely seems to be coming across quite Roman, especially with the citadel. I wonder how intentional that was.
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Mar 24, 2017, 08:54:36 AM
Aye, definitely seems to be coming across quite Roman, especially with the citadel. I wonder how intentional that was.
Very much intentionaly in my opinion. As above so below, or as below so above. I think that Ridley
want to make a comparison of human fall showing us the fall of our superiors, a race that predate humans.
Thats what Milton kidna did with his Satan and his host of fallen angels. Remember what Ridley spoke about Romans
discussing the meaning of Prometheus.
Engineer city and the shrine is in a way influenced by some of Bocklin's paintings. He liked to use cypresses in his paintings and there are a lot of cypresses around the Engineer city. A lot of Roman pillars, central building is of course some sort of Pantheon (very simillar to Roman Pantheon with a golden cupola around the oculus; a lot of symbolism only in that). The architecture of the city is in a way an amalgamation of Roman, Greek and Mesopotamian influences.
There is maybe the inluence of artis Thomas Cole, especially his Course of Empire series.
The Consummation of Empire. Oil on canvas, 1836, 51 × 76 in.
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/1/1a/Cole_Thomas_The_Consummation_The_Course_of_the_Empire_1836.jpg)
Desolation. Oil on canvas, 1836, 39 ½ × 63 ½ in
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Regarding the great shrine or cathedral as Wayne called that building, it also
reminded me of Buddhist complex Sanchi. The Great Stupa at Sanchi is the oldest stone structure in India.
Indian and ancient Indian (Aryan) influences are still strong. I will remind you that they used Proto-Indo-European
language and Sanskrit to create Engineer language. PIE is the common ancestry of Sanskrit, Latin, and Greek.
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(https://classconnection.s3.amazonaws.com/981/flashcards/2290981/jpg/02a_sanchi_greatstu_recon_complex_moffett_aael04_037871355073088841.jpg)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sanchi (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sanchi)
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