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did the predator kill jim hopper and all of his men? was the man executed just prior to the attack on the camp one of hopper's men? if not who was he?
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what was it that the CIA was after? was the russians about to capture a predator? someone said something about "something big was about to go down here". was that the big thing?
I'm sure some others will have better recollection than I do it's been awhile since I've seen the original film.
1. I was under the impression that the Predator did end up killing Hopper and his men which is of course where we find the skinned bodies later.
2. While I can't say for certain on this since it has been a bit since I last saw the movie I would assume that the Russians had been present but so was the Predator.
To expand on this, we know the OWLF got involved with Dutch after his encounter with it and then Stargazer later had a photo of the Jungle Hunter. Of course since they didn't have a JH suit to work with it uses a shot from the movie. However we can overlook that since we know JH or members of his group and or race would frequent the area seeing as Anna knew at least something was out there. Overlooking where the specific image came from in the real world we know Stargazer was familiar with it.
I don't know if that was what specifically Dutch was out there for, but we do know that the OWLF/Stargazer knew about it.
Quote from: SuperiorIronman on Dec 03, 2019, 06:32:41 PM
I don't know if that was what specifically Dutch was out there for, but we do know that the OWLF/Stargazer knew about it.
do you mean stagazer was aware of the predator prior to the events of Predator?
Quote from: oduodu on Dec 03, 2019, 06:37:52 PM
Quote from: SuperiorIronman on Dec 03, 2019, 06:32:41 PM
I don't know if that was what specifically Dutch was out there for, but we do know that the OWLF/Stargazer knew about it.
do you mean stagazer was aware of the predator prior to the events of Predator?
They did have a photo of it and we know the OWLF knew to go to Dutch. It would at the very least imply they knew something was up which makes sense since even Anna knew something was out there. In The Predator it's in the lab where Brackett is using her tablet and she flips by a shot of JH and City Hunter. The shot of JH states that it is dated for June 30th 1987, the location where the shot was taken (maybe this tells us where the film took place?), its case I.D and presumably the name of the agent who got the photo.
Of course we know in the real world how they got the photo but in-universe someone got a shot of JH or one of his people.
ok thanks man.
still curious what the big thing was .
Quote from: oduodu on Dec 03, 2019, 06:10:47 PM
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did the predator kill jim hopper and all of his men? was the man executed just prior to the attack on the camp one of hopper's men? if not who was he?
Dillon's men were in a surveillance helicopter. They got hit with a heat-seeker missle and crashed in the trees. The guerillas climbed up, shot the pilots each once with one round to the head, then stripped the helicopter and took two men as hostages. One of them was most likely executed in that scene you saw.
Hopper and team #2 were then sent in to find out what happened to Dillon's men and the surveillance helicopter. Hopper's men were all killed too, this time by the Predator, asummingly while camouflaged because Hopper's men fired in all directions. Some of Hopper's men were skinned there and some taken elsewhere by the Predator. There was no tracks.
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what was it that the CIA was after? was the russians about to capture a predator? someone said something about "something big was about to go down here". was that the big thing?
The big thing was an invasion. Dillon explained that they were looking for that camp for months, that they just stopped a major invasion and in three days the invasion would have occurred.
Hope that helps! :)
Quote from: oduodu on Dec 03, 2019, 06:10:47 PM
1.
did the predator kill jim hopper and all of his men? was the man executed just prior to the attack on the camp one of hopper's men? if not who was he?
2.
what was it that the CIA was after? was the russians about to capture a predator? someone said something about "something big was about to go down here". was that the big thing?
1. The Predator didn't kill Hopper's men - IT SKEENED THEM ALIFE! The guy shot in the camp was probably one of Dillon's guys.
2. The CIA was very big on destabilising and/ or backing one side or another in Central/ South American civil wars. Usually the right wing side who were often being opposed by communists. Dillon's original CIA team would've gone in there originally to deal with or gain intel on the guerrillas but were shot down. Hopper went in to get them out and got nailed by the Predator.
thanks gentleman. that does help indeed.
it clears up a lot of the confusion.
Happy to help brother! :)
They can make a pretty awesome prequel to The Thing an still call it the Thing. But we still havent seen the prequel to Predator which this OP makes me ask the question. Im sure someone can come up with a pretty good story from the Russian soldier's perspective...possibly have someone else play the roles of a Anna Gonsalves and Dillion or just have them de-aged.
The two would have to be part of the story since they are pretty central in the original.
and holyshit, if somehow if Laurence Fishburnes in it or a special secret appearance by anyone from the Predators movie. That would be dope!
Jim Hopper never died. He is alive and well working for the Hawkins Police Department. (https://s3.r29static.com/bin/entry/591/720x864,85/2220683/image.webp)
Quote from: OWLF on Dec 23, 2019, 10:00:32 PM
Jim Hopper never died. He is alive and well working for the Hawkins Police Department. (https://s3.r29static.com/bin/entry/591/720x864,85/2220683/image.webp)
I guess you didn't see Season 3.... :P
Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Dec 24, 2019, 12:36:28 PM
Quote from: OWLF on Dec 23, 2019, 10:00:32 PM
Jim Hopper never died. He is alive and well working for the Hawkins Police Department. (https://s3.r29static.com/bin/entry/591/720x864,85/2220683/image.webp)
I guess you didn't see Season 3.... :P
https://www.insider.com/stranger-things-evidence-hopper-is-alive-2019-7 (https://www.insider.com/stranger-things-evidence-hopper-is-alive-2019-7)
He might still be alive! Guess we'll have to wait for season 4 to find out...
Quote from: acrediblesource on Dec 23, 2019, 08:16:23 PM
They can make a pretty awesome prequel to The Thing an still call it the Thing. But we still havent seen the prequel to Predator which this OP makes me ask the question. Im sure someone can come up with a pretty good story from the Russian soldier's perspective...possibly have someone else play the roles of a Anna Gonsalves and Dillion or just have them de-aged.
The two would have to be part of the story since they are pretty central in the original.
and holyshit, if somehow if Laurence Fishburnes in it or a special secret appearance by anyone from the Predators movie. That would be dope!
A prequel would be great for the franchise (imo) - start with a story that the creators wanted to focus upon (I have read that they wanted the setting to be 1700s time frame). Focusing on the hunt and the tension/horror/fear aspects of humans being hunted by an alien would be a breath of fresh air compared to the last movie, which I thought was a complete miss.
Quote from: bendinglight on Jan 26, 2020, 04:12:23 PM
Quote from: acrediblesource on Dec 23, 2019, 08:16:23 PM
They can make a pretty awesome prequel to The Thing an still call it the Thing. But we still havent seen the prequel to Predator which this OP makes me ask the question. Im sure someone can come up with a pretty good story from the Russian soldier's perspective...possibly have someone else play the roles of a Anna Gonsalves and Dillion or just have them de-aged.
The two would have to be part of the story since they are pretty central in the original.
and holyshit, if somehow if Laurence Fishburnes in it or a special secret appearance by anyone from the Predators movie. That would be dope!
A prequel would be great for the franchise (imo) - start with a story that the creators wanted to focus upon (I have read that they wanted the setting to be 1700s time frame). Focusing on the hunt and the tension/horror/fear aspects of humans being hunted by an alien would be a breath of fresh air compared to the last movie, which I thought was a complete miss.
Yesssssssssss!!!And give us the story of the Raphael Adolini 1715 flintlock!
(https://cafart.r.worldssl.net/images/Category_97206/subcat_144490/vagjNmPn_2109191451051gpadd.jpg)
Quote from: oduodu on Dec 03, 2019, 06:10:47 PM1.
did the predator kill jim hopper and all of his men? was the man executed just prior to the attack on the camp one of hopper's men? if not who was he?
Yes, the Predator killed Hopper's men, that's why half of them had been skinned while the other half simply vanished without trace.
As for the guy executed at the camp, that leads into question #2...
Quote from: oduodu on Dec 03, 2019, 06:10:47 PM2.
what was it that the CIA was after? was the russians about to capture a predator? someone said something about "something big was about to go down here". was that the big thing?
The rebels in the film were gearing up to invade a neighbouring country, one presumably friendly to the United States. The Russians were there to equip and train the guerrillas. The CIA's mission was to stop this invasion from happening. The hostages Dutch is hired to rescue were not cabinet ministers, as he was told, but CIA agents working for Dillon, who were presumably scouting out rebel locations as part of their mission when they got shot down. It's one of these agents that we see get executed immediately before the assault.
The "something big about to go down" was the rebel incursion over the border. The US and Russia were all over South America in the 1980s, discretely (or even not-so-discretely) backing various regimes friendly to their political ideals, and its this situation the film is tapping into.
Anyone else want to give the same answers? :P
One assumes the group Dutch's team took down were just ferrying some important equipment and the advisors to whatever the main invasion force consisted of. Wouldn't have been a serious invasion with that small outpost of personnel.
I've never understood what the status of Dutch's team was meant to be, on the other hand. They act like mercenaries, with Dutch speaking about having a choice of what they take on, yet are used by the US government, provided with legitimate transport and apparently have official ranks.
Quote from: Xenomorphine on Feb 09, 2020, 08:49:24 PMOne assumes the group Dutch's team took down were just ferrying some important equipment and the advisors to whatever the main invasion force consisted of. Wouldn't have been a serious invasion with that small outpost of personnel.
After the assault they learn there's a large group of rebels headed their way (it's why the choppers won't come pick them up and why they hightail it out of there on foot), so presumably most of the invasion force simply isn't present at the time they launch their assault.
Quote from: Xenomorphine on Feb 09, 2020, 08:49:24 PMI've never understood what the status of Dutch's team was meant to be, on the other hand. They act like mercenaries, with Dutch speaking about having a choice of what they take on, yet are used by the US government, provided with legitimate transport and apparently have official ranks.
The US military has frequently used private contractors in places like Iraq. Is it that unrealistic for the actual military to give Dutch a taxi ride into the jungle? Especially somewhere remote like a South American jungle. But as for their ranks, I always figured they were merely retained out of respect.