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Ok everyone, I'm not sure if this has been asked but most likely has. Both of these films are roughly considered the low points of the franchise. However, what is the better film or your personal favorite among these two options, Alien Vs Predator Requiem or Shane Black's The Predator? My opinion: AVP Requiem wasn't perfect, very dark on screen yet had great scenes in my opinion with Wolf. Lots of good action and horror elements and was accurate with the lore.       
      Now The Predator 2018 In my opinion while had good action in some scenes was just terrible from a story and lore stand point which greatly ruined the film for me. (https://i.ibb.co/35x0YHL/aefe90966191bc869b80d09ccd9de164.jpg) (https://ibb.co/4wbjgx5) (https://i.ibb.co/72rKzZL/predator1.jpg) (https://ibb.co/cD2QvZV)

AVP Requiem was far better in my opinion. Just because I simply can't stand The Predator, Shane Black treated it as a joke.

The Predator. Has more engaging characters and a better cast.

On one hand, The Predator edges out AVPR in that you can actually see the movie.

On the other hand, AVPR edges out The Predator in that it has the decency to be so dark that you can't even see it.

I'll never watch either one a second time.

Both are bad, but at least there's some small moments of fun in xenos and predators fighting in Requiem. There also felt like there was at least a little bit of respect for the series, but it just failed miserably.

Shane Black's The Predator felt like it completely didn't understand what works about the previous films, was even embarrassed to be a Predator movie, and set out to make a farce and spit in the face of the series. I hate pretty much everything about it.

I'll take a failure over disrespect for sure.

I'd rather watch Requiem over The Predator.

AVP:R was crap, but you knew it was going to be.

The Predator was a disappointment.

Both are crap but AVPR had the Silvestri's drum beat at least.

Quote from: Cosmic Incubation on Sep 29, 2023, 10:50:11 PMBoth are bad, but at least there's some small moments of fun in xenos and predators fighting in Requiem.

I'm not sure you could call very much of that fighting. It's mostly Aliens making the shocked Pikachu face while forgetting they have arms, legs or tails, Wolf missing so badly he makes things much worse, or the Predalien refusing to push advantages so Wolf can look cool.

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Quote from: Cosmic Incubation on Sep 29, 2023, 10:50:11 PMBoth are bad, but at least there's some small moments of fun in xenos and predators fighting in Requiem.

I'm not sure you could call very much of that fighting. It's mostly Aliens making the shocked Pikachu face while forgetting they have arms, legs or tails, Wolf missing so badly he makes things much worse, or the Predalien refusing to push advantages so Wolf can look cool.

I can definitely agree with this. Though I will say, some of it had  to do with the practical suit actors capabilities to make fights look fast and complex when fighting multiple aliens at once. I can imagine Ian's reaction speed and vision would be hindered quite a bit as well and had multiple xenos coming from every side nearly every fight. Also the directors not directing proper fight choreography was an issue. Also plot armor for Wolf because he was technically the hero character of the film lol. I just kind of suspend my disbelief and try to look at it how it was intended while watching it.

A tough call, but I would go with The Predator. Although the story is a mess, it's at least competently shot and has some memorable characters.

Combining the best things from the 2 movies would get you something serviceable like Wolf being sent instead of Assassin.

Shoot I read the poll wrong and voted the predator as my personal favorite of the two.

I can assure you this is not the case, though.

Both films shared some 'enjoyable' scenes.

I think The Predator does better with the overall cast and how they carry the film.

I think AVPR had better costume designs for the Predators and Aliens. Not great designs but better.

The Predator had some cool scenes but I couldn't get behind the autistic kid reading Predator language, the invisibility cloak being a magic Harry Potter beed, the Predator dogs, a mega Predator who is upgrading himself, the fact that they contemplated putting Predators in US ARMY outfits with machine guns...and that they really had to narrow down the great big finale of how to end the film between Dutch, Ellen Ripley, or that stupid Predator Killer suit being in the box. It should have never made it onto the screen.

Of the two I've only rewatched one of them.

Quote from: littlesprout on Oct 01, 2023, 07:07:13 PMShoot I read the poll wrong and voted the predator as my personal favorite of the two.

I can assure you this is not the case, though.

Both films shared some 'enjoyable' scenes.

I think The Predator does better with the overall cast and how they carry the film.

I think AVPR had better costume designs for the Predators and Aliens. Not great designs but better.

The Predator had some cool scenes but I couldn't get behind the autistic kid reading Predator language, the invisibility cloak being a magic Harry Potter beed, the Predator dogs, a mega Predator who is upgrading himself, the fact that they contemplated putting Predators in US ARMY outfits with machine guns...and that they really had to narrow down the great big finale of how to end the film between Dutch, Ellen Ripley, or that stupid Predator Killer suit being in the box. It should have never made it onto the screen.

That Newt/Ripley idea is one of the most ridiculous things ever. And they even filmed it! Feels like they just said "f*ck it", let's waste some money.

Quote from: Wweyland on Oct 02, 2023, 10:32:12 AM

Quote from: littlesprout on Oct 01, 2023, 07:07:13 PMShoot I read the poll wrong and voted the predator as my personal favorite of the two.

I can assure you this is not the case, though.

Both films shared some 'enjoyable' scenes.

I think The Predator does better with the overall cast and how they carry the film.

I think AVPR had better costume designs for the Predators and Aliens. Not great designs but better.

The Predator had some cool scenes but I couldn't get behind the autistic kid reading Predator language, the invisibility cloak being a magic Harry Potter beed, the Predator dogs, a mega Predator who is upgrading himself, the fact that they contemplated putting Predators in US ARMY outfits with machine guns...and that they really had to narrow down the great big finale of how to end the film between Dutch, Ellen Ripley, or that stupid Predator Killer suit being in the box. It should have never made it onto the screen.

That Newt/Ripley idea is one of the most ridiculous things ever. And they even filmed it! Feels like they just said "f*ck it", let's waste some money.

they could've been way more better to Connect the two universe together, like a Ovomorph would have been the Predator killer, I know it's still stupid but it would have made more sense

I actually like The Predator. In contrast to Requiem, it was supposed to be cheesy, dumb movie, that was the direction Shane Black took. And as ridiciulous sci fi shlock it is damn entertaining movie. It has very good cast and nice toilet and dark humor, if you are into that type of laughs. It also treats Predators with respects for the most part, despite what people say (expect this stupid change in their goals), they are never ibject of jokes and are competent, deadly and brutal. Requiem can be treated as low-class alien Invasion movie, and watched as such can bring some fun, but it was rather accidental, it's just as bad as those movies, not making fun of them or trying to subvert their tropes or anything. And You can't see shit in this movie. Only pros it has are Wolf and Predalien and some small scenes.

Hard decision here. Only thing I liked about AvPR was Wolf. The Predator was the cast. I loved the humor and all the little Easter Eggs in The Predator.

Seeing the Easter Egg of, "Get to the choppers!" While they're running to the chopper motorcycles. Leaving her to fall off the bus was hilarious.

I hate to say that this, but I vote for The Predator. Only because I got a couple laughs out of it, had action THAT YOU COULD SEE and because of the Easter Eggs. That's it!

Quote from: SM on Sep 29, 2023, 10:28:26 PMThe Predator. Has more engaging characters and a better cast.

Agreed. Ultimately I find the characters in The Predator actually interesting - and they have actual character. It's a much better cast. As a Predator film, it's actually quite good until after the Fugitive has successfully escaped from the Stargazer lab and then it goes off the rails lore-wise and doesn't really consistent in itself. Prior to that there's some good Predator action.

AvPR...only has the Wolf's design and Ian's performance going for it.

I'm in no rush to watch either of them again, but if I had to - The Predator.

For all the dumb crap in The Predator I could easily watch it again. Another problem it has is that it doesn't know what it wants to be. There's the tone deaf autism angle then the ham fisted climate change angle.

This is a really tough call, both stinks. But which is better? I guess there are elements in both films that are better than the other. I think the human characters are better written in The Predator. You could see there is potential in how they were introduced...until it all went downhill half-way into the movie. There was such promise...then its like Shane Black suddenly just took a big dump on all those characters. I mean Keegan-Michael Key, Olivia Munn, Thomas Jane, Alfie Allen, etc, are accomplished actors and I felt their talents were just wasted in the latter half of the film.

In contrast, I really could not stand following pizza boy's adventures with his high school crush in AVPR. What the %^^&#@! was I watching? Some crappy teenage drama? Come on. I didn't pay money to watch stupid drama like Dawson's Creek or Berverly Hills 91210. And the dialogue? Oh man.

On the other hand, I kinda have a soft spot for the Wolf Predator in AVPR. I always wanted to see how an elite level Predator will dispatch the Aliens on screen. Part of that is also purely subjective, in how I played Aliens vs Predator game way back in the day, and that bias I have ever since dreaming of an awesome predator. At least on that level, AVPR made my dream come true in a limited extent.

In comparison, I didn't saw anything special about the Fugitive Predator. So he wanted to deliver the Predator Killer suit. That was a kinda cool concept, but not really executed well.

So all-in-all, I think The Predator is objectively a marginally better movie than AVPR. But ultimately it ended up a more disappointing viewing experience for me than AVPR. You could see there was the potential for a good film there, but it just got sidetracked and railroaded halfway into the film and that is such a letdown.

AVPR however, I can see now it had no pretensions to be a fantastic film. It is what it is. A bad movie...but somehow a terrible film I found enjoyable to watch in a guilty pleasure sort of way.

They both suck, but atleast The Predator has some decent cinematography.

I can't say anything positive about AvPR.

Quote from: 426Buddy on Oct 22, 2023, 01:10:16 PMThey both suck, but atleast The Predator has some decent cinematography.

I can't say anything positive about AvPR.

Not even Wolf?

Quote from: Wweyland on Oct 22, 2023, 09:53:57 PM

Quote from: 426Buddy on Oct 22, 2023, 01:10:16 PMThey both suck, but atleast The Predator has some decent cinematography.

I can't say anything positive about AvPR.

Not even Wolf?

Not really no... Ian Whites suit performance perhaps.

Especially not Wolf. Most overrated character in any Alien or Predator flick.

I find both fun to watch. I mean AvPR is silly fun. The Predator is whatever but still fun. Both are mindless. But if I had to choose, The Predator is still only slightly superior.




By no means am I in any rush to watch either.

The Predator feels like a comic book to me. I kind of view it as such. It's still a much better crafted film than AvPR though.

I think Shane Black sort of had the right idea; The first two Predator films have plenty of cheese going on, but he just didn't rein it in and keep it grounded.

Quote from: SM on Oct 24, 2023, 08:50:01 PMEspecially not Wolf. Most overrated character in any Alien or Predator flick.

Can you explain this take

He's completely useless at his job but lots of people think he's the coolest thing ever.

sil i dont understand. isnt black at the very least a good writer? lethal weapon was good? you sound really serious about this. what has he done or rather NOT done that upsets you so. just surprised. is this a popular opinion? wow. wasnt expecting that. anyways i am sorry if it seems i am being opposing for the sake of it. i thought he was generally highly regarded.

Quote from: SM on Oct 24, 2023, 08:50:01 PMEspecially not Wolf. Most overrated character in any Alien or Predator flick.

Yup.

Anyway I voted for AvPR, simply because it feels like any other cheap creature feature and can be enjoyed as such if you're in a charitable mood. With The Predator, you can see a lot of the comparatively large budget up on screen and it's still terrible, which makes it harder to extract even a modicum of enjoyment from it, personally.

Quote from: SiL on Nov 05, 2023, 01:33:37 PMHe's completely useless at his job but lots of people think he's the coolest thing ever.

In a nutshell. With room to spare.

I was never a fan of how AVPR did the creatures, but I did appreciate the costume designs.

The costume design of Wolf, oversized head aside, pretty great, the rest contains the shittiest Alien designs put to film.

Truly dire.

Quote from: BlueMarsalis79 on Nov 07, 2023, 09:49:02 AMThe costume design of Wolf, oversized head aside, pretty great,

Is it though, really?

Yeah it's neat. The last time a Predator's gear looked like it was supposed to be some kind of functioning technology and not just slick generic sci-fi junk.

Seriously I don't think Predator helmets have had cables since except the Crucified Predator in Predators.

Reckon? I always felt it was hodge-podge and not in a cool way. It does respect the basic tenets of how it's supposed to work though, and you're right that that's more than you can say for other versions.

Quote from: [cancerblack] on Nov 07, 2023, 12:10:44 PMReckon? I always felt it was hodge-podge and not in a cool way. It does respect the basic tenets of how it's supposed to work though, and you're right that that's more than you can say for other versions.

I thought it was pretty cohesive. What was hodge-podge about it to you?

I'd have to actually look at some BTS pictures again to give it a real critique but the impression I always got (when you can see anything) was that it felt like a suit made of seconds left lying around rather than the veteran using his favourite bits he was supposed to be.

I liked that Wolf was more lean. Couldn't stand that bulky AvP design.

Quote from: SiL on Nov 07, 2023, 11:44:57 AMThe last time a Predator's gear looked like it was supposed to be some kind of functioning technology and not just slick generic sci-fi junk.

I feel like this critique really applies to all the Predator tech in The Predator.
The ship and it's interior in particular I remember being very disappointed in how generic and plain it was. Even to a further degree than AVP. A far cry from how cool and atmospheric the ship was in Predator 2. Even Fugitive's look and armor just looks too sleek and generic imo.

And that's just one of my minor gripes with the movie lol.

I liked Fugitive's design, very princely I thought.

Quote from: Cosmic Incubation on Nov 08, 2023, 04:18:42 PMI feel like this critique really applies to all the Predator tech in The Predator.

Yeah that was the worst offender.

Prey is a close second.

I can't stand Ferals design. But I've come to accept that it's just another strand of Predators like the super predators.

I'm pretty sure that's how I perceived the feral Predator, by the time I first saw it. I'm very excepting of the idea of subspecies of Predator looking a bit different

I can understand not liking Feral's design (even though I'm a fan myself).

But I definitely feel Feral is 100x better and more interesting than the assassin Predator from The Predator. Even if just by sheer virtue of being mostly practical vs entirely CG (and not good CG either).

Feral>assassin any day of the week.

I'm specifically talking about the gear being a collection of sci fi nonsense.

Jungle Hunter has straps and buckles and cables connecting everything. It looks like a piece of functioning technology.

300 years earlier and everything is just glued on or something, f**k it.

4 movies in a row show the mask is basically vacuum sealed to the face and then suddenly it's just held there by good vibes from Predators onwards.

I still headcanon out the subspecies thing coz I hate it for a humanoid space faring creature, at least as presented by the director. I'd possibly buy it more if they included a sprinkle of hard SF with time dilation shit and populations on distant worlds or ships drifting apart as they adapt to a new place or being spacers.

@SiL
I agree about how it goes together, but I do quite like feral's wargear aesthetically.

Sure, just throw some straps and tubes on it for God's sake.

The whole Feral schtick is a superficial as everything else in that movie.

Unofficial Prey theme

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Quote from: [cancerblack] on Nov 11, 2023, 05:38:46 AMUnofficial Prey theme

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Magnetised to what, his lats?

Seriously, what is his med pack even connected to? Ugh.

Magnetised to other magnets (you can't see them coz reasons).

Subdermal implant.

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Just like the NECA figure lmao

I generally don't like crossovers between Alien and Predator and prefer to see both in their own films. Both films have no respect for the origins of either brand.
Still, for me, THE Predator is the worst film of all.
If I have to choose, I would prefer AvP-R because of the action. Wolf is a little better in design again and the Predalien is ok if it weren't for the shitty fertilization idea. The Alien Warriors don't look good at all anymore. Basically, the film isn't much better than The Predator and is a slap in the face, especially for Alien fans.
When I listened to the audio commentary and the making of, I was initially disappointed and annoyed. Too many stupid decisions and apparently unqualified people who sometimes don't seem to really know what it's about.

Watched both films in the cinema...

Neither are good films but Requiem was much more tolerable as an action romp with unintentional comedy. The Predator felt like deliberate farce with impaled dudes shooting each other and the main human antagonist blowing off his own head in idiotic fashion.

Quote from: happypred on Nov 15, 2023, 04:28:48 AMNeither are good films but Requiem was much more tolerable as an action romp with unintentional comedy.

How did you feel about the egg-barfing?

This has to be the best part of Requiem

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Quote from: happypred on Nov 15, 2023, 04:28:48 AMthe main human antagonist blowing off his own head

I'd forgotten about that bit. I think the editing in that scene is even more confused than the writing.

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Quote from: happypred on Nov 15, 2023, 04:28:48 AMthe main human antagonist blowing off his own head

I'd forgotten about that bit. I think the editing in that scene is even more confused than the writing.

One of those blink and you'll miss it bits, in a bad way. I know people who didn't even realize that it happened lol

Quote from: Cosmic Incubation on Nov 16, 2023, 08:28:00 PMOne of those blink and you'll miss it bits, in a bad way. I know people who didn't even realize that it happened lol

It befuddled me as he was prob a character with more potential to develop further in a sequel

The way he capped himself was just...dumb

Quote from: Local Trouble on Nov 15, 2023, 04:43:27 AMHow did you feel about the egg-barfing?

Not a fan/seemed unnecessary but Im not purist when it comes to the Alien creature. Im more attached to the Predator/Yautja creature and demand more from their portrayal

I genuinely enjoyed AVPR WAY more than The Predator. Better creatures and gore, a main Predator who wasn't shat on by a stupid concept. AVPR is just a dumb movie with monsters killing everyone and gore. I like that. The Predator is some moronic misguided attempt to try and inject "new blood" into the franchise. No. f**k The Predator and Shane Black. It will always be AVPR for me.

To be fair some of Requiem was probably intentional comedy

the two stoners...definitely
the government doesnt lie to people...most likely
I taught this little sl*t everything she knows...probably

It was B-movie silliness but it didnt try to convert the Predator franchise into slapstick farce with Predator bulldogs and a ten foot Predator blaring out English through loudspeakers...along with the idiocy already mentioned in this thread

AvP Requiem is the best... I can't stand the bad, forced jokes they tried to put in The Predator. And the comedic predator... hell no please.

'I taught this little slut everything she knows' is intentionally funny if you're intentionally a piece a shit.

Though it's the Strauses so you might be onto something.

They are both terrible. 





But not as terrible as Prometheus. 

Quote from: Kimarhi on Jan 09, 2024, 06:07:01 PMThey are both terrible.

Yes.

Quote from: Kimarhi on Jan 09, 2024, 06:07:01 PMBut not as terrible as Prometheus. 

No.

What's wrong with Prometheus?

Quote from: Local Trouble on Jan 09, 2024, 07:09:48 PMWhat's wrong with Prometheus?

Ralfy wasn't scared?

Quote from: Local Trouble on Jan 09, 2024, 07:09:48 PMWhat's wrong with Prometheus?

The problem with Prometheus is that such installment allows you to actually see the kind of flick it is; as clear as crystal. AVPR on the other hand is far more mysterious and dark about it.

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Prometheus is an utter mess in pretty much every facet of its being. 

It's also a hell of a lot better than The Predator and AVPR.

I mean, I wish both of them never existed at all, they are truly abysmal.

That being said, of the two, AvP: Requiem wins by a long shot for me.

1. AvPR has Aliens in it (albeit awful designs).

2. AvPR has Practical effects (when you can see them)

3. The predalien reproduction - I quite enjoyed the addition of egg barfing.

3. The hive set looked cool in AvPR (from the little we saw of it)

4. The Predator was like watching an episode of Power Rangers, from the suits to the spacecraft interior looking like a zord.. it was truly awful.

5. pet pred-dog... really?

6. The Predator ending with the suit is just unforgivable

7. I've rewatched AvPR for its campy b-movie value at least 4 times. I'd never rewatch the predator.

So this was the Megazord of the rangers?

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Quote from: Immortan Jonesy on Jan 10, 2024, 01:29:25 AMSo this was the Megazord of the rangers?

https://i.ibb.co/CWsFLvt/Predkiller.jpg

*swings arms in the air like I'm doing morning stretches* "I cahl the powaa of the ultra PredaZord!" *clenches fist with a nod*

-PredaZord sequence has been initiated!-*eyes glow*

[Enter badly dubbed David] "Ahhgh! Curse you PredaRangers! Magic flute, make my regurgitated hugger GROW!!" *throws flute with detached fingering hand down to Earth*

Really not sure which one is worse. At least one of them allows you to not see anything  :laugh:

Stupidity and incompetence aside, I think wolf was the better Predator.  At least his character was consistent.

I think due to rewrites, the actual motives that fugitive had was changed. Gives suit to protect humans, but spends parts of the movie trying to kill people.

I can't remember too much as I have only watched it twice or three times.

The only time I rewatch any of the Predator is to rewatch the Pred escape scene. 

Requiem is b movie schlock, but there are a few scenes that I think are decent.  Natty G getting feasted on, and then the hospital sequence before they get to the rooftop. 

I think both AvPs messed up because they used the Dark Horse route of having the species already familiar with each other.  AvP on earth could've worked with a Pred stalking a lone Drone in modern times and neither alien had any experience with the other. 

I have literally only seen The Predator once, in cinema.

Quote from: BlueMarsalis79 on Jan 15, 2024, 12:10:09 PMin cinema

I'm so sorry.

Same boat. One was enough.

Low rez dvd rip on a laptop screen was more than enough of that... film for me.

I've also seen it once, in the theater. And AVPR once, on cable, three years after its release.

I don't expect to ever see either one a second time.

As much as the thought of watching either makes me feel sick, AvP-R is much better in my opinion. What it adds to the lore is more palatable compared to The Pred. I've actually watched Requiem a few times compared to The Predator which I got on Blu Ray but have never actually played the disc!

Honestly, I'm surprised by that poll. The Predator at least was competently filmed, with a real writer and director.  AvP-R was absolutely the bottom of the barrel, with minimal effort put in by the studio to ensure a decent product. 

Quote from: marrerom on Jan 15, 2024, 09:57:00 PMHonestly, I'm surprised by that poll. The Predator at least was competently filmed, with a real writer and director.

I love Shane Black. Kiss Kiss Bang Bang, Iron Man 3, and The Nice Guys rock. That something so unwatchably bad from came from him, when he should have been a sure fit for this property, makes the end result for this one sting even more than it otherwise would have.

The greatest sin of The Predator for me is that it seems to think the entire concept is ridiculous and can't keep a straight face. It's like they're embarrassed to be making the film.

For all its faults, AvPR is earnest.

Quote from: SiL on Jan 15, 2024, 10:08:42 PMThe greatest sin of The Predator for me is that it seems to think the entire concept is ridiculous and can't keep a straight face. It's like they're embarrassed to be making the film.

For all its faults, AvPR is earnest.

I feel the same way about AR vs A3.

Weaver is playing that film so straight they needed lesbian undertones to even it out.

Quote from: Acid for Blood on Jan 15, 2024, 04:57:18 PMAs much as the thought of watching either makes me feel sick, AvP-R is much better in my opinion. What it adds to the lore is more palatable compared to The Pred. I've actually watched Requiem a few times compared to The Predator which I got on Blu Ray but have never actually played the disc!

Pretty much sums up how I feel on this one too.

What does AvP:R add to the lore?  I woulda thought The Predator added more lore - even if it was stupid lore.

Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Jan 15, 2024, 10:03:42 PM

Quote from: marrerom on Jan 15, 2024, 09:57:00 PMHonestly, I'm surprised by that poll. The Predator at least was competently filmed, with a real writer and director.

I love Shane Black. Kiss Kiss Bang Bang, Iron Man 3, and The Nice Guys rock. That something so unwatchably bad from came from him, when he should have been a sure fit for this property, makes the end result for this one sting even more than it otherwise would have.

The cast make it eminently watchable, in spite of the amazing amount of dumb.

Quote from: SM on Jan 16, 2024, 03:00:46 AMWhat does AvP:R add to the lore?

Eggbarfing?

This must be some strange new definition of "add" that I wasn't previously aware of.

Weirdly it was the last movie with a regular Predator as the lead Predator and, incompetent as he may be, I give it points for that.

Quote from: SM on Jan 16, 2024, 06:23:12 AMThis must be some strange new definition of "add" that I wasn't previously aware of.

Well it never existed before (I think), so I think it is fair to say it is an "add"ition  ;D

Quote from: SiL on Jan 16, 2024, 08:15:34 AMWeirdly it was the last movie with a regular Predator as the lead Predator and, incompetent as he may be, I give it points for that.

I consider that Predator 2 or Prey myself, sure the Predator in Prey looks substantially different, but he functions much the same.

I do like what they did with the predator in Prey, its a different species native to a more desert environment of their homeworld. He had a preference for melee too.

Quote from: BlueMarsalis79 on Jan 16, 2024, 03:34:55 PM

Quote from: SiL on Jan 16, 2024, 08:15:34 AMWeirdly it was the last movie with a regular Predator as the lead Predator and, incompetent as he may be, I give it points for that.

I consider that Predator 2 or Prey myself, sure the Predator in Prey looks substantially different, but he functions much the same.

Feral is Jason Voorhees in a cloaking device.

The Prey design was okay except for his face.  He looked like he is the father of the super predators, who might have also been fed paint chips as a child by his parents. 

I'm not talking design, personally.

I give the edge to The Predator. A bit more visually interesting ideas, way better cast.

Stupider, stupider lore additions, that's for sure though.

As frustrating as the movie is, I still say The Predator is the better movie compared to AVP:R. Great cast with likable characters and enjoyable action moments. Fugitive trumps Wolf, Feral, or any of the Preds in Predators, IMO.

Between studio meddling and the very dumb idea of trying to cram as much crap into a Predator movie, they really should have focused the story more around the bad-blood comics and rid of the autism angle. They also should have had Fugitive survive at least until the end before getting killed off in a showdown.   

Quote from: PredBabe on Feb 18, 2024, 04:20:32 PMFugitive trumps Wolf

I've never felt that's a high bar to clear, but you're quite right.

While I quite like Fugitive's appearence overall, I prefer Wolf in this area.

Quote from: PredBabe on Feb 18, 2024, 04:20:32 PMAs frustrating as the movie is, I still say The Predator is the better movie compared to AVP:R. Great cast with likable characters and enjoyable action moments. Fugitive trumps Wolf, Feral, or any of the Preds in Predators, IMO.

Between studio meddling and the very dumb idea of trying to cram as much crap into a Predator movie, they really should have focused the story more around the bad-blood comics and rid of the autism angle. They also should have had Fugitive survive at least until the end before getting killed off in a showdown. 

Killing Fugitive off too early was such a travesty, imho  :-\

Gone too soon...

It's from both a design and behavioral standpoint that I prefer Fugitive.
That's not to say that I didn't like anything about Wolf's design concepts though. Wolf was the strongest thing AVPR had going for itself, which doesn't say a whole lot for that movie. 

I have trouble fully liking Fugitive's mask for example. While I like the design, the rendition looks way too
plastic for me, and it feels weird.

But I quite like his gauntlets, and I love his armor.

Something I saw mentioned around here recently (f**ked if I can remember where right now) that I do think really works in Fugitives favour is using human weapons in the escape scene, especially because he's still effective with them while using slightly lazy, disdainful movements and treating them as disposable.

I agree. I was afraid of how it would look on screen after reading it in the script, but it was cool.

Quote from: [cancerblack] on Feb 19, 2024, 06:32:20 PMSomething I saw mentioned around here recently (f**ked if I can remember where right now) that I do think really works in Fugitives favour is using human weapons in the escape scene, especially because he's still effective with them while using slightly lazy, disdainful movements and treating them as disposable.

I mentioned it in the Prey subforum when discussing Predators stealing technology.

That's right, thanks.

Fugitive's escape is the one moment in the film I remember with any sort of fondness. Even though it doesn't actually make a lick of sense whatsoever once you learn his motives...

While I like the lab escape scene, I always had a big issue with it. It's the scene where the pred looks the most like a guy in a suit.

When he's without armor, his skin color/pattern actually denotes so much with the white environment that it makes the guy in the suit aspect stand out too much.

This creature wasn't initially designed to ever evolve in this type of environment, and it shows.

AVPR sucks, but it at least had the decency to always be a non-canonical "what-if" type deal.  Even before it released I didn't take it seriously.

The Predator wanted to be an actual sequel that matters.  It's the worst for that very reason.  One of the worst movies I've ever seen, especially because it had the gall to pretend to be the next big thing for the Predator franchise. 

Quote from: Raines on Mar 29, 2024, 06:18:02 AMAVPR sucks, but it at least had the decency to always be a non-canonical "what-if" type deal.  Even before it released I didn't take it seriously.

No it didn't.  It wanted to be a direct prequel to Alien by including Ms Yutani at the end.

Requime, you get to see Xenos infest a town. The National Guard Scene alone was great. I also enjoyed the power plant scenes.

For some reason when I watched it a couple of days ago the brightness was way up and I could even see The Predomorph clearly for the first time on the Predator ship.

Quote from: E. Shaw on Mar 30, 2024, 02:07:12 AMthe power plant scenes

I like how much worse Wolf makes the entire situation there.

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Quote from: E. Shaw on Mar 30, 2024, 02:07:12 AMthe power plant scenes

I like how much worse Wolf makes the entire situation there.

Yeah Wolf also being a cleaner and disposing of evidence made it even harder for the people to realize: see crab like hand with tail you have bloody bursted chest.

Wolf makes everything worse.

But he is cool to look at, the bloody bastard.  :laugh:

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Quote from: E. Shaw on Mar 30, 2024, 02:07:12 AMFor some reason when I watched it a couple of days ago the brightness was way up and I could even see The Predomorph clearly for the first time on the Predator ship.

Quote from: BigDaddyJohn on Apr 09, 2024, 02:39:28 PMBut he is cool to look at, the bloody bastard.  :laugh:

Between the two, Wolf and Fugitige, I definetly prefer the former

Quote from: Kradan on Apr 09, 2024, 03:46:32 PMBetween the two, Wolf and Fugitige, I definetly prefer the former

Yep same for me.