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Title: Titan Books Unveils Novels Aliens: Vasquez By Author V. Castro
Post by: Corporal Hicks on Mar 24, 2022, 04:22:54 PM

Entertainment Weekly has just announced that Titan Books will be exploring the past of Aliens’ Private Vasquez in an upcoming novel from author V. Castro that will not only explore Vasquez’s history, but the family she left behind.

Aliens: Vasquez is set to explore the canonical background of Vasquez, as well as the story of the children she was forced to leave behind. Even before the doomed mission to Hadley’s Hope on LV-426, Jenette Vasquez had to fight to survive. Born to an immigrant family with a long military tradition, she looked up to the stars, but life pulled her back down to Earth — first into a street gang, then prison. The Colonial Marines proved to be Vasquez’s way out — a way that forced her to give up her twin children.

Raised by Jenette’s sister, those children, Leticia and Ramon, had to discover their own ways to survive. Leticia by following her mother’s path into the military, Ramon by entering the corporate hierarchy of Weyland-Yutani. Their paths converge on an unnamed planet which some see as a potential utopia, while others would use it for highly secretive research. Whatever humans have planned for it, however, Xenomorphs will turn it into a living hell.

 Titan Books Unveils Novels Aliens: Vasquez By Author V. Castro

Vasquez’s heritage and family has been explored several times within the expanded universe, most recently with Marvel’s Aliens: Aftermath featuring her nephew who was in search of answers regarding his aunt’s disappearance. In the 1990s Dark Horse’s Aliens: Colonial Marines featured Vasquez’s younger sister, Carmen, as a primary character.

While this will be V. Castro’s first foray into the Alien series, she is an established horror writer whose most recent work is Goddess of Filth and The Queen of the Cicadas. Aliens: Vasquez is currently scheduled to release later this year on the 25th of October.

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Title: Re: Titan Books Unveils Novels Aliens: Vasquez By Author V. Castro
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Mar 24, 2022, 04:28:49 PM
Please no more "family members of established characters stumble upon Aliens" stories, I beg you.
Title: Re: Titan Books Unveils Novels Aliens: Vasquez By Author V. Castro
Post by: Kradan on Mar 24, 2022, 04:29:01 PM
Well, at least cover is nice
Title: Re: Titan Books Unveils Novels Aliens: Vasquez By Author V. Castro
Post by: BlueMarsalis79 on Mar 24, 2022, 04:38:08 PM
I dig the cover but please, I do not want this conceptually, Isolation ought to have been the beginning and ending of this sort of thing.
Title: Re: Titan Books Unveils Novels Aliens: Vasquez By Author V. Castro
Post by: CaptainViggo on Mar 24, 2022, 05:19:19 PM
Yet another female character revealed to be a mother out of nowhere.

It kinda worked with Ripley, considering the time period of the second movie (and the fact that it gave us the excellent Alien Isolation) but here it seems too much (and a too convenient way to tell a story indirectly about a movie character).

So, now, how about the rest of the cast? How many male marines are supposed to be fathers before the events of Aliens?
Title: Re: Titan Books Unveils Novels Aliens: Vasquez By Author V. Castro
Post by: Bughuntwilson on Mar 24, 2022, 06:18:10 PM
So half of it going being vasquez backstory and the other half is her children sounds likr aliens aftermath and conial marines all over again
Title: Re: Titan Books Unveils Novels Aliens: Vasquez By Author V. Castro
Post by: Xiggz456 on Mar 24, 2022, 06:20:14 PM
Holy shit another novel coming out this year?! That'll be 6 books released this year! I for one am hyped but with this synopsis: cue the whinging for further exploring a character from the films  :laugh:
Title: Re: Titan Books Unveils Novels Aliens: Vasquez By Author V. Castro
Post by: Mr. Clemens on Mar 24, 2022, 06:55:45 PM
I'm holding out for the book about 'Chip' Wierzbowski, the intrepid Golden Retriever who sets out across the galaxy to learn just what the hell happened to his master...
Title: Re: Titan Books Unveils Novels Aliens: Vasquez By Author V. Castro
Post by: Bughuntwilson on Mar 24, 2022, 07:05:52 PM
Quote from: Mr. Clemens on Mar 24, 2022, 06:55:45 PM
I'm holding out for the book about 'Chip' Wierzbowski, the intrepid Golden Retriever who sets out across the galaxy to learn just what the hell happened to his master...
Yes this is whay we need right here
Title: Re: Titan Books Unveils Novels Aliens: Vasquez By Author V. Castro
Post by: Local Trouble on Mar 24, 2022, 07:13:09 PM
Is Drake their father?
Title: Re: Titan Books Unveils Novels Aliens: Vasquez By Author V. Castro
Post by: razeak on Mar 24, 2022, 07:18:22 PM
Going to the well on this one. That being said, I hope we get some good backstory on Vasquez. I'm definitely interested in the parental aspect of it. Vasquez as a mom kicking in people's teeth on the streets and protecting her children sounds like fun.
Title: Re: Titan Books Unveils Novels Aliens: Vasquez By Author V. Castro
Post by: Kradan on Mar 24, 2022, 07:51:24 PM
Quote from: Local Trouble on Mar 24, 2022, 07:13:09 PM
Is Drake their father?

Vasquez just mistaken him for a man once
Title: Re: Titan Books Unveils Novels Aliens: Vasquez By Author V. Castro
Post by: [cancerblack] on Mar 24, 2022, 07:56:58 PM
I want to know what that rabbit girl thinks about this.
Title: Re: Titan Books Unveils Novels Aliens: Vasquez By Author V. Castro
Post by: Kradan on Mar 24, 2022, 08:00:36 PM
Something tells me me she's not coming back. A shame
Title: Re: Titan Books Unveils Novels Aliens: Vasquez By Author V. Castro
Post by: [cancerblack] on Mar 24, 2022, 08:05:26 PM
(https://c.tenor.com/1jI6hMtarW4AAAAC/marvel-is-it-though.gif)
Title: Re: Titan Books Unveils Novels Aliens: Vasquez By Author V. Castro
Post by: Kradan on Mar 24, 2022, 08:16:51 PM
She brought some positive vibes to conversations, she was the main reason to visit "The first thing that comes to mind" thread. I liked her drawing style. And her obsession with Mark Rolston was charming and kinda cute. Also, she was, in fact, A GIRL which is, you know, a rarety on this sausage fest of a site

Spoiler
If I'm being honest (and It's probably a horrible thing to say) but to me she seemed like a much nicer person to hang around prior to her marriage
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Title: Re: Titan Books Unveils Novels Aliens: Vasquez By Author V. Castro
Post by: [cancerblack] on Mar 24, 2022, 08:28:53 PM
I like the women we have now, but I might be biased.
Title: Re: Titan Books Unveils Novels Aliens: Vasquez By Author V. Castro
Post by: Local Trouble on Mar 24, 2022, 08:45:52 PM
Quote from: Kradan on Mar 24, 2022, 08:00:36 PM
Something tells me me she's not coming back. A shame

Did she leave us?
Title: Re: Titan Books Unveils Novels Aliens: Vasquez By Author V. Castro
Post by: [cancerblack] on Mar 24, 2022, 08:49:36 PM
After nobody believed her or cared about her bizarre "Fireteam plagiarized our fanfic" thing.
Title: Re: Titan Books Unveils Novels Aliens: Vasquez By Author V. Castro
Post by: Corporal Hicks on Mar 24, 2022, 08:57:44 PM
Alright folk, let's not gossip.
Title: Re: Titan Books Unveils Novels Aliens: Vasquez By Author V. Castro
Post by: Kradan on Mar 24, 2022, 09:17:34 PM
Party pooper
Title: Re: Titan Books Unveils Novels Aliens: Vasquez By Author V. Castro
Post by: Local Trouble on Mar 24, 2022, 09:19:03 PM
Maybe Vasquez disguised herself as an Arcturian and seduced Hudson.
Title: Re: Titan Books Unveils Novels Aliens: Vasquez By Author V. Castro
Post by: Kradan on Mar 24, 2022, 10:00:22 PM
Eeeeeew
Title: Re: Titan Books Unveils Novels Aliens: Vasquez By Author V. Castro
Post by: Gentleman Death on Mar 24, 2022, 10:02:47 PM
Sure...why not...
Title: Re: Titan Books Unveils Novels Aliens: Vasquez By Author V. Castro
Post by: BlueMarsalis79 on Mar 24, 2022, 10:06:39 PM
Because it's PROFOUNDLY STUPID
Title: Re: Titan Books Unveils Novels Aliens: Vasquez By Author V. Castro
Post by: felix on Mar 24, 2022, 10:28:47 PM
Where's my Gorman spinoff?
Title: Re: Titan Books Unveils Novels Aliens: Vasquez By Author V. Castro
Post by: Kradan on Mar 24, 2022, 10:34:52 PM
They give us all this crap but they won't give us Morse's Star Beast . Outrageous  >:(
Title: Re: Titan Books Unveils Novels Aliens: Vasquez By Author V. Castro
Post by: Some Old Dude on Mar 24, 2022, 11:26:44 PM
Couldn't it just have been a Vasquez prequel? I'm so done with everyone's family members coming back to fight the aliens.
Title: Re: Titan Books Unveils Novels Aliens: Vasquez By Author V. Castro
Post by: SiL on Mar 24, 2022, 11:59:19 PM
Couldn't it just be new characters?
Title: Re: Titan Books Unveils Novels Aliens: Vasquez By Author V. Castro
Post by: Bughuntwilson on Mar 25, 2022, 12:25:00 AM
Quote from: Some Old Dude on Mar 24, 2022, 11:26:44 PM
Couldn't it just have been a Vasquez prequel? I'm so done with everyone's family members coming back to fight the aliens.
I woudnt be against the idea of stories taking place in the alien universe that dosnt feature the alien call them outer rim tales or something kinda like bug hunt or  alien coveant prequel novel but done right but please no no more family members of famous alien characters
Title: Re: Titan Books Unveils Novels Aliens: Vasquez By Author V. Castro
Post by: Some Old Dude on Mar 25, 2022, 12:28:41 AM
The universe is big and interesting enough not to need the dragon really. But I suppose that's what sells.
Title: Re: Titan Books Unveils Novels Aliens: Vasquez By Author V. Castro
Post by: VincentVegaFFF on Mar 25, 2022, 02:05:20 AM
When is Jones going to get his revenge on the Xenomorphs? For too long his story has gone untold! I demand a trilogy!
Title: Re: Titan Books Unveils Novels Aliens: Vasquez By Author V. Castro
Post by: Engineer on Mar 25, 2022, 02:54:06 AM
Quote from: VincentVegaFFF on Mar 25, 2022, 02:05:20 AM
When is Jones going to get his revenge on the Xenomorphs? For too long his story has gone untold! I demand a trilogy!

Jones did get his own book already... 🤷‍♂️
"Jonesy: nine lives on the nostromo"
Title: Re: Titan Books Unveils Novels Aliens: Vasquez By Author V. Castro
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Mar 25, 2022, 03:10:09 AM
Quote from: Engineer on Mar 25, 2022, 02:54:06 AM
Quote from: VincentVegaFFF on Mar 25, 2022, 02:05:20 AM
When is Jones going to get his revenge on the Xenomorphs? For too long his story has gone untold! I demand a trilogy!

Jones did get his own book already... 🤷‍♂️
"Jonesy: nine lives on the nostromo"

But what about Jones' kittens embarking on a mission to learn about his fate and finding Aliens along the way?
Title: Re: Titan Books Unveils Novels Aliens: Vasquez By Author V. Castro
Post by: Engineer on Mar 25, 2022, 03:56:20 AM
Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Mar 25, 2022, 03:10:09 AM
Quote from: Engineer on Mar 25, 2022, 02:54:06 AM
Quote from: VincentVegaFFF on Mar 25, 2022, 02:05:20 AM
When is Jones going to get his revenge on the Xenomorphs? For too long his story has gone untold! I demand a trilogy!

Jones did get his own book already... 🤷‍♂️
"Jonesy: nine lives on the nostromo"

But what about Jones' kittens embarking on a mission to learn about his fate and finding Aliens along the way?

That's due out alien day 2023
Title: Re: Titan Books Unveils Novels Aliens: Vasquez By Author V. Castro
Post by: AspenBeer on Mar 25, 2022, 04:22:16 AM
Given how niche the audience for these kinds of products are, one would think that the publisher might run some of these worn-out premises by the fan base. A focus group with 5-10 members of this site might make them realize that we're all tired of the same three plots being recycled over the last several years. Why not something deranged and ambitious like the Labyrinth comic/novel?
Title: Re: Titan Books Unveils Novels Aliens: Vasquez By Author V. Castro
Post by: Gentleman Death on Mar 25, 2022, 04:23:53 AM
Quote from: Kradan on Mar 24, 2022, 10:34:52 PM
They give us all this crap but they won't give us Morse's Star Beast . Outrageous  >:(

Now this would be something I'd be interested in 😎
Title: Re: Titan Books Unveils Novels Aliens: Vasquez By Author V. Castro
Post by: Xenomrph on Mar 25, 2022, 05:03:22 AM
If the book manages to sneak in that Vasquez had a younger sister (https://avp.fandom.com/wiki/Carmen_Vasquez) I will be over the moon.
Title: Re: Titan Books Unveils Novels Aliens: Vasquez By Author V. Castro
Post by: Local Trouble on Mar 25, 2022, 05:40:10 AM
Quote from: Xenomrph on Mar 25, 2022, 05:03:22 AM
If the book manages to sneak in that Vasquez had a younger sister (https://avp.fandom.com/wiki/Carmen_Vasquez) I will be over the moon.

Didn't you read the article on EW?
Title: Re: Titan Books Unveils Novels Aliens: Vasquez By Author V. Castro
Post by: Prez on Mar 25, 2022, 06:14:34 AM
I also think the sibling or relation stumbling across Aliens has been a bit overkill that said I did like the angle they took in Sea of Sorrows and how the Xenos could recognise the bloodline of Ripley - also didn't mind that empath connection Decker had to the hive. Not for everyone but I dug it.
Title: Re: Titan Books Unveils Novels Aliens: Vasquez By Author V. Castro
Post by: Corporal Hicks on Mar 25, 2022, 08:18:37 AM
I admit I'm very tickled by the widely varying reactions I've seen to this. Twitter is really happy, a lot of happy responses on Facebook, with some blatant responses of people who didn't read the synopsis too, but seeing plenty of responses like you folk - and my first reaction was also that Ryan Reynolds gif from Two Guys and A Girl.

The franchise still has some goodwill from how wrong I was about Amanda Ripley, so I'm remembering to give this one a shot. But yeah, I hope this doesn't become a trend. I don't want to see legacy characters revisited - we're not Star Wars. It wont fly for that long. The recent attempts haven't been that great. The Hicks short from Bug Hunt was easily the worse in the book. Aftermath wasn't the strongest either.


Quote from: Prez on Mar 25, 2022, 06:14:34 AM
I also think the sibling or relation stumbling across Aliens has been a bit overkill that said I did like the angle they took in Sea of Sorrows and how the Xenos could recognise the bloodline of Ripley - also didn't mind that empath connection Decker had to the hive. Not for everyone but I dug it.

I still think he should have been a descendent of Ripley 8. As much as I did actually enjoy the novel, it was a wasted opportunity.


Quote from: Gentleman Death on Mar 25, 2022, 04:23:53 AM
Quote from: Kradan on Mar 24, 2022, 10:34:52 PM
They give us all this crap but they won't give us Morse's Star Beast . Outrageous  >:(

Now this would be something I'd be interested in 😎

Yeah, of all the characters in the series I'd actually like to see revisited - Morse is the easily the one I want the most.


Quote from: Engineer on Mar 25, 2022, 02:54:06 AM
Quote from: VincentVegaFFF on Mar 25, 2022, 02:05:20 AM
When is Jones going to get his revenge on the Xenomorphs? For too long his story has gone untold! I demand a trilogy!

Jones did get his own book already... 🤷‍♂️
"Jonesy: nine lives on the nostromo"

I loved those little comic books they did. They really did lift my spirit.
Title: Re: Titan Books Unveils Novels Aliens: Vasquez By Author V. Castro
Post by: Kradan on Mar 25, 2022, 08:21:02 AM
They're desperately trying to turn this into Star Wars-esque universe where every f**king character has an elaborate backstory
Title: Re: Titan Books Unveils Novels Aliens: Vasquez By Author V. Castro
Post by: Corporal Hicks on Mar 25, 2022, 08:26:51 AM
Aside from the CG Aliens, the cover artwork looks cool too! There's just a distinct difference in looks there that I'm not keen on.
Title: Re: Titan Books Unveils Novels Aliens: Vasquez By Author V. Castro
Post by: BlueMarsalis79 on Mar 25, 2022, 08:49:19 AM
Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Mar 25, 2022, 03:10:09 AM
Quote from: Engineer on Mar 25, 2022, 02:54:06 AM
Quote from: VincentVegaFFF on Mar 25, 2022, 02:05:20 AM
When is Jones going to get his revenge on the Xenomorphs? For too long his story has gone untold! I demand a trilogy!

Jones did get his own book already... 🤷‍♂️
"Jonesy: nine lives on the nostromo"

But what about Jones' kittens embarking on a mission to learn about his fate and finding Aliens along the way?

Teaming up with Spike's brother to avenge him!


Quote from: CaptainViggo on Mar 24, 2022, 05:19:19 PM
Yet another female character revealed to be a mother out of nowhere.

Yeah this also makes it feel kinda icky.
Title: Re: Titan Books Unveils Novels Aliens: Vasquez By Author V. Castro
Post by: Kradan on Mar 25, 2022, 08:57:55 AM
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Mar 25, 2022, 08:26:51 AM
Aside from the CG Aliens, the cover artwork looks cool too! There's just a distinct difference in looks there that I'm not keen on.

We should really start a campaign for our good pal Sal to make Titan books covers, eh ?
Title: Re: Titan Books Unveils Novels Aliens: Vasquez By Author V. Castro
Post by: BlueMarsalis79 on Mar 25, 2022, 09:02:56 AM
Quote from: Kradan on Mar 24, 2022, 10:34:52 PM
They give us all this crap but they won't give us Morse's Star Beast . Outrageous  >:(

Yeah ugh... or a novel about Shaw and David between Prometheus and Alien Covenant.

But no, we are more likely to get crap nobody but plebs want like: Vasquez: An Aliens Story, Drake: An Aliens Story, Gorman: An Aliens Story, Hicks: An Aliens Story, Hudson: An Aliens Story, Apone: An Aliens Story, and bloody so on.

Not to mention piling on the Amanda Ripley stories nobody asked for.

As for Sea of Sorrows I am still offended that it and others are advertised in the back of Into Charybdis and Cold Forge, easy target to pick on but, like Twilight being advertised in the back of f**king Dracula.
Title: Re: Titan Books Unveils Novels Aliens: Vasquez By Author V. Castro
Post by: Kradan on Mar 25, 2022, 09:05:07 AM
We need Newt prequel !
Title: Re: Titan Books Unveils Novels Aliens: Vasquez By Author V. Castro
Post by: Saith on Mar 25, 2022, 11:16:40 AM
Quote from: Kradan on Mar 25, 2022, 09:05:07 AM
We need Newt prequel !

The Rebecca Jordan guide to Hide and Seek at Hadley's Hope?
Title: Re: Titan Books Unveils Novels Aliens: Vasquez By Author V. Castro
Post by: Corporal Hicks on Mar 25, 2022, 11:26:47 AM
I still think that could have made an interesting Isolation expansion.
Title: Re: Titan Books Unveils Novels Aliens: Vasquez By Author V. Castro
Post by: Kradan on Mar 25, 2022, 11:30:47 AM
Quote from: BlueMarsalis79 on Mar 25, 2022, 09:02:56 AM
As for Sea of Sorrows I am still offended that it and others are advertised in the back of Into Charybdis and Cold Forge, easy target to pick on but, like Twilight being advertised in the back of f**king Dracula.

Deal with it  8)
Title: Re: Titan Books Unveils Novels Aliens: Vasquez By Author V. Castro
Post by: 426Buddy on Mar 25, 2022, 12:01:11 PM
Quote from: Kradan on Mar 24, 2022, 10:34:52 PM
They give us all this crap but they won't give us Morse's Star Beast . Outrageous  >:(

This is needed for sure.
Title: Re: Titan Books Unveils Novels Aliens: Vasquez By Author V. Castro
Post by: BlueMarsalis79 on Mar 25, 2022, 12:24:06 PM
Quote from: Kradan on Mar 25, 2022, 11:30:47 AM
Quote from: BlueMarsalis79 on Mar 25, 2022, 09:02:56 AM
As for Sea of Sorrows I am still offended that it and others are advertised in the back of Into Charybdis and Cold Forge, easy target to pick on but, like Twilight being advertised in the back of f**king Dracula.

Deal with it  8)

Nope I tore them out. lol
Title: Re: Titan Books Unveils Novels Aliens: Vasquez By Author V. Castro
Post by: irn on Mar 25, 2022, 05:47:12 PM
Quote from: BlueMarsalis79 on Mar 25, 2022, 09:02:56 AM
But no, we are more likely to get crap nobody but plebs want like: Vasquez: An Aliens Story, Drake: An Aliens Story, Gorman: An Aliens Story, Hicks: An Aliens Story, Hudson: An Aliens Story, Apone: An Aliens Story, and bloody so on.

Not to mention the offspring of each of these characters also seem to somehow find themselves in a battle with xenomorphs. Is there like some kind of legal limit to amount of new characters they are allowed to write?
Title: Re: Titan Books Unveils Novels Aliens: Vasquez By Author V. Castro
Post by: Kailem on Mar 25, 2022, 06:17:29 PM
Quote from: BlueMarsalis79 on Mar 25, 2022, 09:02:56 AM
Quote from: Kradan on Mar 24, 2022, 10:34:52 PM
They give us all this crap but they won't give us Morse's Star Beast . Outrageous  >:(

Yeah ugh... or a novel about Shaw and David between Prometheus and Alien Covenant.

But no, we are more likely to get crap nobody but plebs want like: Vasquez: An Aliens Story, Drake: An Aliens Story, Gorman: An Aliens Story, Hicks: An Aliens Story, Hudson: An Aliens Story, Apone: An Aliens Story, and bloody so on.

"Aliens: 38, Simulated."
Title: Re: Titan Books Unveils Novels Aliens: Vasquez By Author V. Castro
Post by: Local Trouble on Mar 25, 2022, 06:21:38 PM
I want a separate novel for each of Gorman's simulated drops.
Title: Re: Titan Books Unveils Novels Aliens: Vasquez By Author V. Castro
Post by: Engineer on Mar 25, 2022, 06:23:03 PM
It's ironic...

The expanded universe has never felt smaller because they insist on making everything a family affair...

Isolation was a genuine surprise, and a rare gem. But I'm not counting on anything else, like this Vasquez novel, to pull off the same sort of feat.
Title: Re: Titan Books Unveils Novels Aliens: Vasquez By Author V. Castro
Post by: Local Trouble on Mar 25, 2022, 06:53:32 PM
https://twitter.com/vlatinalondon/status/1507123747370774533
Title: Re: Titan Books Unveils Novels Aliens: Vasquez By Author V. Castro
Post by: Kradan on Mar 25, 2022, 07:49:05 PM
Quote from: Local Trouble on Mar 25, 2022, 06:21:38 PM
I want a separate novel for each of Gorman's simulated drops.

Ok, that made me laugh  :D


As I see it,  Isolation  was awesome despite Amanda's connection to Ripley not because of it. I know,  I  know, hearing Sigourney read these lines is heart-warming and gives you teary eyes but the game could've easily done without it and still be bloody great
Title: Re: Titan Books Unveils Novels Aliens: Vasquez By Author V. Castro
Post by: BlueMarsalis79 on Mar 25, 2022, 07:54:52 PM
Quote from: Local Trouble on Mar 25, 2022, 06:53:32 PM
https://twitter.com/vlatinalondon/status/1507123747370774533

Y'know, that's f**king fair enough.
Title: Re: Titan Books Unveils Novels Aliens: Vasquez By Author V. Castro
Post by: Kailem on Mar 25, 2022, 08:02:02 PM
Quote from: Kradan on Mar 25, 2022, 07:49:05 PM
Quote from: Local Trouble on Mar 25, 2022, 06:21:38 PM
I want a separate novel for each of Gorman's simulated drops.

Ok, that made me laugh  :D


As I see it,  Isolation  was awesome despite Amanda's connection to Ripley not because of it. I know,  I  know, hearing Sigourney read these lines is heart-warming and gives you teary eyes but the game could've easily done without it and still be bloody great

See, I feel the opposite. Sure you could have had an Isolation-style game without Amanda, but to me the thing that made it work was that her involvement in the story came about as a result of the same direct link to the original film that caused the events of the game to transpire in the first place. So even if the initial pitch might have been something along the lines of "Ripley's daughter vs Aliens", they made it work and didn't just shoehorn her in to a completely random Alien encounter like they could have. So in that case I thought it worked really well.
Title: Re: Titan Books Unveils Novels Aliens: Vasquez By Author V. Castro
Post by: Kradan on Mar 25, 2022, 08:06:54 PM
I'm not saying Creative Assembly didn't do the best they could with Amanda, I just think game could've worked just as easily without her
Title: Re: Titan Books Unveils Novels Aliens: Vasquez By Author V. Castro
Post by: Immortan Jonesy on Mar 25, 2022, 08:11:22 PM
Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Mar 24, 2022, 04:28:49 PM
Please no more "family members of established characters stumble upon Aliens" stories, I beg you.

(https://i.ibb.co/tcKjT4h/fe29368034d2b78f0cbac5cf3e594673.jpg)
Title: Re: Titan Books Unveils Novels Aliens: Vasquez By Author V. Castro
Post by: Nukiemorph on Mar 25, 2022, 09:44:56 PM
It makes perfect sense that Amanda's search for her mother could lead her to aliens. Including Amanda never bothered me.

Maybe this book will fudge a similar reason for Vazquez's kids to run into aliens, but it doesn't sound like it from the synopsis.

I'm definitely looking forward to Inferno's Fall more than any other upcoming books.
Title: Re: Titan Books Unveils Novels Aliens: Vasquez By Author V. Castro
Post by: Engineer on Mar 25, 2022, 10:16:37 PM
Quote from: Nukiemorph on Mar 25, 2022, 09:44:56 PM
It makes perfect sense that Amanda's search for her mother could lead her to aliens. Including Amanda never bothered me.

Maybe this book will fudge a similar reason for Vazquez's kids to run into aliens, but it doesn't sound like it from the synopsis.

I'm definitely looking forward to Inferno's Fall more than any other upcoming books.

The back-story given to Vasquez, as jenette Goldstein describes it in older interviews, does not jive well with what the author is trying to do here imo. Vasquez was a great character, But her history is not all that heroic. She was in gangs and committed murder as a juvenile (hence the teardrop tattoo). She had a life sentence in prison and joined the marines as an alternative to prison, but she was still a lifer serving in the marines. She always took point in her squad because she didn't care if she died. None of this sounds like a woman who had children and/or is anxious to get back to her family. All that aside, even if she did have children, going to prison at such a young age doesn't exactly allow for her to develop a meaningful relationship with her children so that they'd go searching for what happened to her when they grow up.

I hate to be a downer, but this is probably the least interesting novel Titan has come up with so far, and I really don't see how this is going to work in a way the feels as natural as isolation did...
Title: Re: Titan Books Unveils Novels Aliens: Vasquez By Author V. Castro
Post by: skhellter on Mar 25, 2022, 10:38:34 PM
Easy pass.

Things like this just make the galaxy seem so small:

"our new lead characters are RELATED to those classic characters you LOVE! and EVERYONE MEETS THE ALIEN!"

...and.... are you really telling me that Vasquez was ever attracted to men?  :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
Claiming Vasquez for "the straights" just feels like the exact opposite of how "representation" ought to work but.... whatever.


(Alien Isolation is good DESPITE Amanda being related to Ripley btw)


Quote from: Engineer on Mar 25, 2022, 10:16:37 PM
The back-story given to Vasquez, as jenette Goldstein describes it in older interviews, does not jive well with what the author is trying to do here imo. Vasquez was a great character, But her history is not all that heroic. She was in gangs and committed murder as a juvenile (hence the teardrop tattoo). She had a life sentence in prison and joined the marines as an alternative to prison, but she was still a lifer serving in the marines. She always took point in her squad because she didn't care if she died. None of this sounds like a woman who had children and/or is anxious to get back to her family. All that aside, even if she did have children, going to prison at such a young age doesn't exactly allow for her to develop a meaningful relationship with her children so that they'd go searching for what happened to her when they grow up.

I hate to be a downer, but this is probably the least interesting novel Titan has come up with so far, and I really don't see how this is going to work in a way the feels as natural as isolation did...

exactly. There's no art here. It's just top to bottom fanfic tier stuff.

Title: Re: Titan Books Unveils Novels Aliens: Vasquez By Author V. Castro
Post by: Kradan on Mar 25, 2022, 11:13:35 PM
Quote from: skhellter on Mar 25, 2022, 10:38:34 PM
(Alien Isolation is good DESPITE Amanda being related to Ripley btw)

Thank you
Title: Re: Titan Books Unveils Novels Aliens: Vasquez By Author V. Castro
Post by: Engineer on Mar 25, 2022, 11:15:49 PM
I think it's below fanfic level...
It's a story connected to a beloved character, but at that character's expense rather than that character's benefit.
It's a cash grab.
Title: Re: Titan Books Unveils Novels Aliens: Vasquez By Author V. Castro
Post by: SiL on Mar 26, 2022, 12:02:46 AM
Quote from: BlueMarsalis79 on Mar 25, 2022, 07:54:52 PM
Quote from: Local Trouble on Mar 25, 2022, 06:53:32 PM
https://twitter.com/vlatinalondon/status/1507123747370774533

Y'know, that's f**king fair enough.
White hispanic woman in brown face *
Title: Re: Titan Books Unveils Novels Aliens: Vasquez By Author V. Castro
Post by: skhellter on Mar 26, 2022, 04:15:57 AM
"Im reclaiming the canon and character."

by making the gay character straight and doing mommy fanfic with her. :laugh:

"this is important"

it's actually gross but sure, ok.
Title: Re: Titan Books Unveils Novels Aliens: Vasquez By Author V. Castro
Post by: Engineer on Mar 26, 2022, 04:21:30 AM
It was never confirmed that Vasquez was gay. That's not something I see an issue with. I just don't see how she could have had children and developed a meaningful relation relationship with them.
Title: Re: Titan Books Unveils Novels Aliens: Vasquez By Author V. Castro
Post by: skhellter on Mar 26, 2022, 04:23:45 AM
"bonita, hey?"

she's making remarks on how Ripley is pretty and she's full on eyeing Ripley up and down at the start. c'mon.

At the very least she's bi, but making the active choice to go with [oh she had kids] kind of shows how this book is going to go with any queerness.
Title: Re: Titan Books Unveils Novels Aliens: Vasquez By Author V. Castro
Post by: Engineer on Mar 26, 2022, 04:31:59 AM
Eyeing ripley up and down doesn't necessarily mean it was attraction. Could just as easily have been sizing up how tough she was, which is more in line with her character tbh. Her sexuality was purposely left ambiguous.
Title: Re: Titan Books Unveils Novels Aliens: Vasquez By Author V. Castro
Post by: skhellter on Mar 26, 2022, 04:32:51 AM
Quote from: Engineer on Mar 26, 2022, 04:31:59 AM
Eyeing ripley up and down doesn't necessarily mean it was attraction.

...while remarking on how pretty Ripley is. lol


jesus. :laugh:
Title: Re: Titan Books Unveils Novels Aliens: Vasquez By Author V. Castro
Post by: Xenomrph on Mar 26, 2022, 04:35:35 AM
Quote from: Local Trouble on Mar 25, 2022, 05:40:10 AM
Quote from: Xenomrph on Mar 25, 2022, 05:03:22 AM
If the book manages to sneak in that Vasquez had a younger sister (https://avp.fandom.com/wiki/Carmen_Vasquez) I will be over the moon.

Didn't you read the article on EW?
I read the synopsis that mentions Vasquez has a sister that raised her kids, yeah.
Title: Re: Titan Books Unveils Novels Aliens: Vasquez By Author V. Castro
Post by: Engineer on Mar 26, 2022, 04:40:36 AM
Quote from: skhellter on Mar 26, 2022, 04:32:51 AM
Quote from: Engineer on Mar 26, 2022, 04:31:59 AM
Eyeing ripley up and down doesn't necessarily mean it was attraction.

...while remarking on how pretty Ripley is. lol


jesus. :laugh:

When?!
Title: Re: Titan Books Unveils Novels Aliens: Vasquez By Author V. Castro
Post by: SiL on Mar 26, 2022, 04:43:49 AM
While all those things could be her mocking Ripley, Vasquez has been often considered gay or at least queer. Goldstein has commented on it in the past.
Title: Re: Titan Books Unveils Novels Aliens: Vasquez By Author V. Castro
Post by: Engineer on Mar 26, 2022, 04:58:32 AM
Quote from: SiL on Mar 26, 2022, 04:43:49 AM
While all those things could be her mocking Ripley, Vasquez has been often considered gay or at least queer. Goldstein has commented on it in the past.
Yes, but it was also never confirmed; her and drake were nicknamed "sweethearts" while in basic to keep her sexuality ambiguous. Goldstein speaks of this.
Title: Re: Titan Books Unveils Novels Aliens: Vasquez By Author V. Castro
Post by: Gentleman Death on Mar 26, 2022, 06:00:55 AM
I never thought twice if she wash gay...or straight...or anything honestly. Why do we have to put these characters into any kind of box. Basically, as much as I like her character, there's no need for a backstory, there just isn't.

If anything, create a whole new character and throw whatever you want them to be in it.

(I'll still get the book though)
Title: Re: Titan Books Unveils Novels Aliens: Vasquez By Author V. Castro
Post by: Kradan on Mar 26, 2022, 06:07:06 AM
Quote from: Engineer on Mar 26, 2022, 04:40:36 AM
Quote from: skhellter on Mar 26, 2022, 04:32:51 AM
Quote from: Engineer on Mar 26, 2022, 04:31:59 AM
Eyeing ripley up and down doesn't necessarily mean it was attraction.

...while remarking on how pretty Ripley is. lol


jesus. :laugh:

When?!

Who is Snow White ?
Title: Re: Titan Books Unveils Novels Aliens: Vasquez By Author V. Castro
Post by: Engineer on Mar 26, 2022, 06:44:35 AM
Quote from: Kradan on Mar 26, 2022, 06:07:06 AM
Quote from: Engineer on Mar 26, 2022, 04:40:36 AM
Quote from: skhellter on Mar 26, 2022, 04:32:51 AM
Quote from: Engineer on Mar 26, 2022, 04:31:59 AM
Eyeing ripley up and down doesn't necessarily mean it was attraction.

...while remarking on how pretty Ripley is. lol


jesus. :laugh:

When?!

Who is Snow White ?

I always took that as mockery 🤷‍♂️
Title: Re: Titan Books Unveils Novels Aliens: Vasquez By Author V. Castro
Post by: SiL on Mar 26, 2022, 07:31:55 AM
Quote from: Engineer on Mar 26, 2022, 04:58:32 AM
Quote from: SiL on Mar 26, 2022, 04:43:49 AM
While all those things could be her mocking Ripley, Vasquez has been often considered gay or at least queer. Goldstein has commented on it in the past.
Yes, but it was also never confirmed; her and drake were nicknamed "sweethearts" while in basic to keep her sexuality ambiguous. Goldstein speaks of this.
Still feels like a swing and a miss if you're trying to be progressive and straight wash what is something of a gay icon.
Title: Re: Titan Books Unveils Novels Aliens: Vasquez By Author V. Castro
Post by: Engineer on Mar 26, 2022, 07:41:05 AM
Quote from: SiL on Mar 26, 2022, 07:31:55 AM
Quote from: Engineer on Mar 26, 2022, 04:58:32 AM
Quote from: SiL on Mar 26, 2022, 04:43:49 AM
While all those things could be her mocking Ripley, Vasquez has been often considered gay or at least queer. Goldstein has commented on it in the past.
Yes, but it was also never confirmed; her and drake were nicknamed "sweethearts" while in basic to keep her sexuality ambiguous. Goldstein speaks of this.
Still feels like a swing and a miss if you're trying to be progressive and straight wash what is something of a gay icon.

I'm not in disagreement, really. Just merely pointing out that there's room for interpretation on that front, but there's plenty of other issues that still makes it a bad idea.
Title: Re: Titan Books Unveils Novels Aliens: Vasquez By Author V. Castro
Post by: SiL on Mar 26, 2022, 08:24:56 AM
Oh yeah, it's the least of my concerns. But I understand and agree that it's a Cherry on the bad idea cake.
Title: Re: Titan Books Unveils Novels Aliens: Vasquez By Author V. Castro
Post by: BlueMarsalis79 on Mar 26, 2022, 08:38:35 AM
Quote from: BlueMarsalis79 on Mar 25, 2022, 08:49:19 AM
Quote from: CaptainViggo on Mar 24, 2022, 05:19:19 PM
Yet another female character revealed to be a mother out of nowhere.

Yeah this also makes it feel kinda icky.
Now I know why I feel this way, although I didn't realize why exactly, until Skhellter said so.

Quote from: BlueMarsalis79 on Mar 25, 2022, 07:54:52 PM
Quote from: Local Trouble on Mar 25, 2022, 06:53:32 PM
https://twitter.com/vlatinalondon/status/1507123747370774533

Y'know, that's f**king fair enough.
But even with that I do not think it is my place to say "you can't do this" as overall I do get the logic behind the idea, even if I think the execution's more than questionable both in terms of making Vasquez retroactively a mother, and with the combination of focusing on another daughter to go fight Aliens just feels like the most boneheaded trite way of doing this.
Title: Re: Titan Books Unveils Novels Aliens: Vasquez By Author V. Castro
Post by: VN1X on Mar 26, 2022, 01:14:04 PM
Man, everything I've read about this so far screams "avoid". The mere fact that the author went out of their way to tweet about identity politics is a big no-no. There's a time and place for that sort of thing but the last thing I care about in an Alien novel (or sci-fi books in general) is someone's skin colour or their sexual preferences.

At the end of the day we all die the same when we run into an acid bleeding monstrosity so... yeah. I'll gladly be proven wrong though in that it might end up as an amazing "must-read" Alien novel but so far I'm not really jumping up and down with excitement.
Title: Re: Titan Books Unveils Novels Aliens: Vasquez By Author V. Castro
Post by: Xiggz456 on Mar 26, 2022, 02:16:09 PM
Quote from: Engineer on Mar 26, 2022, 04:58:32 AM
Quote from: SiL on Mar 26, 2022, 04:43:49 AM
While all those things could be her mocking Ripley, Vasquez has been often considered gay or at least queer. Goldstein has commented on it in the past.
Yes, but it was also never confirmed; her and drake were nicknamed "sweethearts" while in basic to keep her sexuality ambiguous. Goldstein speaks of this.

She could easily just be bi. My high school's populace was majority Mexican and there were quite a few girls who got pregnant and then never dated a guy again.

I'm actually mixed (Mexican on my Mom's side and Irish on my Dad's side) so I'm just glad a Latina author is writing this story as representation absolutely matters.

Also shouts to Titan for continuing to step up the cover art!
Title: Re: Titan Books Unveils Novels Aliens: Vasquez By Author V. Castro
Post by: Engineer on Mar 26, 2022, 02:54:59 PM
Yep I agree, she very well could be bi...
She could also be a lesbian who chose to have children. Lesbian and gay couples start families of their own too.
The book isn't out yet, and we have no idea how the author has portrayed her sexuality. But ultimately, Vasquez's sexuality isn't I thing I see any issues with, personally. I just don't think the scenario described in the synopsis, that Vasquez had children, jives with what we know about her as a character and her personality. 

I am happy to see the author chosen is a hispanic female. That sort of representation does matter. I really just wish it was an all new character rather than someone related to a pre-existing character. There's been way too much of that already. It's stale, boring, and outlandish imo. I like to joke that if "alien" was supposed to be "jaws in space" then "alien: sea of sorrows" is "jaws: the revenge in space." Isolation was great, but pretty much everything related to Amanda ripley since then has been subpar. Other stories featuring Vasquez's family have already been done too. How many times are we going to see this family-relation angle pop up?
Title: Re: Titan Books Unveils Novels Aliens: Vasquez By Author V. Castro
Post by: irn on Mar 26, 2022, 03:02:34 PM
Quote from: SiL on Mar 26, 2022, 12:02:46 AM
https://twitter.com/vlatinalondon/status/1507123747370774533

QuoteIm reclaiming the canon and character
When was the canon and character ever hers to now be "reclaimed"?

They're going down the Disney Star Wars route here of shrinking the universe and basically admitting creative bankruptcy by taking original characters that are already widely loved and making these related offspring/copies of them to basically rehash the same story over again.

If someone was really interested in doing a Vasquez backstory you could write a really good one set on Earth about her younger years and joining the Marines with no hint of the alien at all.
Title: Re: Titan Books Unveils Novels Aliens: Vasquez By Author V. Castro
Post by: Xiggz456 on Mar 26, 2022, 04:09:18 PM
Quote from: Engineer on Mar 26, 2022, 02:54:59 PM
Yep I agree, she very well could be bi...
She could also be a lesbian who chose to have children. Lesbian and gay couples start families of their own too.
The book isn't out yet, and we have no idea how the author has portrayed her sexuality. But ultimately, Vasquez's sexuality isn't I thing I see any issues with, personally. I just don't think the scenario described in the synopsis, that Vasquez had children, jives with what we know about her as a character and her personality. 

I am happy to see the author chosen is a hispanic female. That sort of representation does matter. I really just wish it was an all new character rather than someone related to a pre-existing character. There's been way too much of that already. It's stale, boring, and outlandish imo. I like to joke that if "alien" was supposed to be "jaws in space" then "alien: sea of sorrows" is "jaws: the revenge in space." Isolation was great, but pretty much everything related to Amanda ripley since then has been subpar. Other stories featuring Vasquez's family have already been done too. How many times are we going to see this family-relation angle pop up?

Completely fair and valid points. All I can say is that sometimes I think that we put too much pressure on our fictional universes to be realistic. Obviously we all have different thresholds for suspending our disbelief and that ultimately factors into how much one will enjoy these types of stories. My recommendation (that I do with all new content): Hope for the best but expect the worse.
Title: Re: Titan Books Unveils Novels Aliens: Vasquez By Author V. Castro
Post by: BishopWantsIt on Mar 26, 2022, 05:34:29 PM
I do not care if Vasquez is into men, women or animals... but the idea of her being a mummy is ridiculous, to say the least.
Title: Re: Titan Books Unveils Novels Aliens: Vasquez By Author V. Castro
Post by: Local Trouble on Mar 26, 2022, 06:58:22 PM
I'll say this much: If Vasquez was a mother, you wouldn't have known it by the way she utterly ignored Newt.  I'd sooner believe that Hicks was a father.
Title: Re: Titan Books Unveils Novels Aliens: Vasquez By Author V. Castro
Post by: Kradan on Mar 26, 2022, 07:14:07 PM
That's a good point, actually
Title: Re: Titan Books Unveils Novels Aliens: Vasquez By Author V. Castro
Post by: Mr. Clemens on Mar 26, 2022, 08:03:28 PM
Quote from: Local Trouble on Mar 26, 2022, 06:58:22 PM
I'll say this much: If Vasquez was a mother, you wouldn't have known it by the way she utterly ignored Newt.  I'd sooner believe that Hicks was a father.

Holy shit, case closed.
Title: Re: Titan Books Unveils Novels Aliens: Vasquez By Author V. Castro
Post by: Stitch on Mar 26, 2022, 08:34:25 PM
Quote from: Local Trouble on Mar 26, 2022, 06:58:22 PM
I'll say this much: If Vasquez was a mother, you wouldn't have known it by the way she utterly ignored Newt.  I'd sooner believe that Hicks was a father.
Exactly. Hit the nail on the head right there.

The whole concept behind this book sounded bad as soon as I heard about it, because I could not put Vasquez and motherhood together, but I couldn't figure exactly why.

This is why.
Title: Re: Titan Books Unveils Novels Aliens: Vasquez By Author V. Castro
Post by: kwisatz on Mar 26, 2022, 09:43:23 PM
Quote from: Local Trouble on Mar 26, 2022, 06:58:22 PM
I'll say this much: If Vasquez was a mother, you wouldn't have known it by the way she utterly ignored Newt.  I'd sooner believe that Hicks was a father.

Canon.
Title: Re: Titan Books Unveils Novels Aliens: Vasquez By Author V. Castro
Post by: NoStyleDutch on Mar 26, 2022, 10:43:36 PM
Quote from: Stitch on Mar 26, 2022, 08:34:25 PM
Quote from: Local Trouble on Mar 26, 2022, 06:58:22 PM
I'll say this much: If Vasquez was a mother, you wouldn't have known it by the way she utterly ignored Newt.  I'd sooner believe that Hicks was a father.
Exactly. Hit the nail on the head right there.

The whole concept behind this book sounded bad as soon as I heard about it, because I could not put Vasquez and motherhood together, but I couldn't figure exactly why.

This is why.

She might just not be a great mother, or just doesn't care about other ppl's kids. Or she might be a mother but didn't want to be. I actually think these would be interesting to explore
Title: Re: Titan Books Unveils Novels Aliens: Vasquez By Author V. Castro
Post by: kwisatz on Mar 26, 2022, 11:11:37 PM
Maybe she sees herself more in the father role.  ;)
Title: Re: Titan Books Unveils Novels Aliens: Vasquez By Author V. Castro
Post by: BlueMarsalis79 on Mar 27, 2022, 01:49:09 AM
We can never have enough straight poc absentee parents.
Title: Re: Titan Books Unveils Novels Aliens: Vasquez By Author V. Castro
Post by: Xenomrph on Mar 27, 2022, 02:50:10 AM
Quote from: Local Trouble on Mar 26, 2022, 06:58:22 PM
I'll say this much: If Vasquez was a mother, you wouldn't have known it by the way she utterly ignored Newt.  I'd sooner believe that Hicks was a father.
This is a fantastic point, and nails on the head why the premise that she has kids feels "wrong".
Title: Re: Titan Books Unveils Novels Aliens: Vasquez By Author V. Castro
Post by: NoStyleDutch on Mar 27, 2022, 02:53:13 AM
Quote from: BlueMarsalis79 on Mar 27, 2022, 01:49:09 AM
We can never have enough straight poc absentee parents.

I didn't think about it from that angle:

Than it should be that she just doesn't care about other kids. I feel like can't be uncommon
Title: Re: Titan Books Unveils Novels Aliens: Vasquez By Author V. Castro
Post by: Local Trouble on Mar 27, 2022, 07:48:11 AM
I could see Apone as a family man with kids.  He's practically a father figure to his whole team.

And he's a POC.  Go, someone write that book.
Title: Re: Titan Books Unveils Novels Aliens: Vasquez By Author V. Castro
Post by: Gentleman Death on Mar 27, 2022, 02:48:22 PM
Quote from: Local Trouble on Mar 27, 2022, 07:48:11 AM
I could see Apone as a family man with kids.  He's practically a father figure to his whole team.

And he's a POC.  Go, someone write that book.

Yeah but he's a guy...a dude....a man....
Title: Re: Titan Books Unveils Novels Aliens: Vasquez By Author V. Castro
Post by: Ops Officer Jackson on Mar 27, 2022, 04:03:50 PM
Wasn't Vasquez supposed to be like, 19 too?
Title: Re: Titan Books Unveils Novels Aliens: Vasquez By Author V. Castro
Post by: Local Trouble on Mar 27, 2022, 06:43:35 PM
Quote from: Gentleman Death on Mar 27, 2022, 02:48:22 PM
Quote from: Local Trouble on Mar 27, 2022, 07:48:11 AM
I could see Apone as a family man with kids.  He's practically a father figure to his whole team.

And he's a POC.  Go, someone write that book.

Yeah but he's a guy...a dude....a man....

Men can have kids too.  Some even have daughters. :o
Title: Re: Titan Books Unveils Novels Aliens: Vasquez By Author V. Castro
Post by: Gentleman Death on Mar 27, 2022, 06:57:29 PM
Quote from: Local Trouble on Mar 27, 2022, 06:43:35 PM
Quote from: Gentleman Death on Mar 27, 2022, 02:48:22 PM
Quote from: Local Trouble on Mar 27, 2022, 07:48:11 AM
I could see Apone as a family man with kids.  He's practically a father figure to his whole team.

And he's a POC.  Go, someone write that book.

Yeah but he's a guy...a dude....a man....

Men can have kids too.  Some even have daughters. :o

.....get outta here
Title: Re: Titan Books Unveils Novels Aliens: Vasquez By Author V. Castro
Post by: BlueMarsalis79 on Mar 27, 2022, 09:09:56 PM
I don't believe it.
Title: Re: Titan Books Unveils Novels Aliens: Vasquez By Author V. Castro
Post by: razeak on Mar 28, 2022, 01:29:26 AM
I worked in a female prison.  None of this sounds out of line with reality from a motherhood pov from my experiences there. There are a million levels of experiences that may not fit your biases. Vasquez can easily fit into any one of them.

Maybe it will touch on her relationship with Drake some. Maybe they go back further. Maybe it actually turns out well written and is enjoyable in a vacuum. Maybe her kids get some good character development.

I mean....most of us enjoyed the book where the Avatar style synthetic sucked off a facehugger lmao.  I doubt Vazquez being a mother is stranger. I mean.....the movie that spawned her was about motherhood and family bonds fighting against a twisted version of that.
Title: Re: Titan Books Unveils Novels Aliens: Vasquez By Author V. Castro
Post by: Engineer on Mar 28, 2022, 02:06:39 AM
In case anyone is interested:

https://www.villagevoice.com/2016/04/26/vasquez-is-universal-jenette-goldstein-looks-back-on-her-unforgettable-aliens-marine/

Also, another good article with info relevant to this thread:

https://alienseries.wordpress.com/2013/04/22/interview-with-jenette-goldstein-1987/
Title: Re: Titan Books Unveils Novels Aliens: Vasquez By Author V. Castro
Post by: NoStyleDutch on Mar 28, 2022, 02:53:33 AM
Quote from: razeak on Mar 28, 2022, 01:29:26 AM
I worked in a female prison.  None of this sounds out of line with reality from a motherhood pov from my experiences there. There are a million levels of experiences that may not fit your biases. Vasquez can easily fit into any one of them.


This!!
Title: Re: Titan Books Unveils Novels Aliens: Vasquez By Author V. Castro
Post by: Murfy426 on Mar 28, 2022, 02:58:13 PM
Best of luck to Castro but I'm definitely not scrambling to get my hands on this. Personally I'd have been more excited to see what she could do with an entirely new story with original characters, rather than a story that's leaning on the crutch provided by a beloved legacy character. This fandom is clearly growing weary of it even if the author has the best of intentions.

This just seems like it'll play out very similarly to the reception of the recent Boba Fett series. Stripping away the mystery of a character just to capitalise on creative bankruptcy. 

For Christ sake two pages of this thread were dedicated to discussing Vasquez' sexuality. We never cared about that when we grew up watching her character, it was her heart and grit that we grew to love and the fact that she was a truly ultimate badass that never faltered when facing certain death.

I hope I'm wrong and the book is a success but it's near impossible to ignore the warning signs presented.
Title: Re: Titan Books Unveils Novels Aliens: Vasquez By Author V. Castro
Post by: The Cruentus on Apr 01, 2022, 02:08:16 PM
Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Mar 24, 2022, 04:28:49 PM
Please no more "family members of established characters stumble upon Aliens" stories, I beg you.

Agreed, I was on the fence about Amanda Ripley but the game atleast gave her a fairly decent reason for her to bump into the Aliens.

I can't say it will be the same here.
Title: Re: Titan Books Unveils Novels Aliens: Vasquez By Author V. Castro
Post by: Kradan on Apr 16, 2022, 08:44:52 AM
Quote from: Kradan on Jul 28, 2021, 04:45:41 PM
https://perfectorganism.podbean.com/e/169-the-risk-always-lives-interviewing-jenette-goldstein/ (https://perfectorganism.podbean.com/e/169-the-risk-always-lives-interviewing-jenette-goldstein/)

Haven't listened to it yet but goddamn - looks like they've gotten Vasquez herself on the show !  :o

Only now getting around to listening this one. Jenette brings some great insights of her character which is especially interesting in the light of this book coming out
Title: Re: Titan Books Unveils Novels Aliens: Vasquez By Author V. Castro
Post by: VN1X on Apr 19, 2022, 01:05:09 PM
Quote from: Murfy426 on Mar 28, 2022, 02:58:13 PM
For Christ sake two pages of this thread were dedicated to discussing Vasquez' sexuality. We never cared about that when we grew up watching her character, it was her heart and grit that we grew to love and the fact that she was a truly ultimate badass that never faltered when facing certain death.

I hope I'm wrong and the book is a success but it's near impossible to ignore the warning signs presented.
Couldn't have said it better.
Title: Re: Titan Books Unveils Novels Aliens: Vasquez By Author V. Castro
Post by: Corporal Hicks on Apr 26, 2022, 02:18:42 PM
Combat Zone Drop: V. Castro on Aliens: Vasquez (https://nickdiak.com/2022/04/combat-zone-drop-v-castro-on-aliens-vasquez/)

QuoteThe Aliens universe is constantly expanding as new comics, video games, movies, and books are created. With each text, the IP's lore is built upon and fined tuned, creating an epic canon that speaks to fans of a variety of interests and backgrounds. Cult favourite Aliens marine, Jenette Vasquez, is set to receive her own, fleshed out, backstory in the upcoming novel Aliens: Vasquez written by V. Castro. Castro, known for her works Goddess of Filth (2021), The Queen of the Cicadas (2021), and Mestiza Blood (2022), talks about her forthcoming novel with this interview.
Title: Re: Titan Books Unveils Novels Aliens: Vasquez By Author V. Castro
Post by: VeteranSergeant on Apr 27, 2022, 12:05:34 AM
Quote from: Engineer on Mar 26, 2022, 06:44:35 AM
Quote from: Kradan on Mar 26, 2022, 06:07:06 AM
Quote from: Engineer on Mar 26, 2022, 04:40:36 AM
Quote from: skhellter on Mar 26, 2022, 04:32:51 AM
Quote from: Engineer on Mar 26, 2022, 04:31:59 AM
Eyeing ripley up and down doesn't necessarily mean it was attraction.
...while remarking on how pretty Ripley is. lol

jesus. :laugh:
When?!
Who is Snow White ?
I always took that as mockery 🤷‍♂️
Snow White (as depicted in the 1937 Disney movie) has pale skin and short dark hair. I don't think it was even mocking. Ripley literally just looks a lot like Snow White.
Title: Re: Titan Books Unveils Novels Aliens: Vasquez By Author V. Castro
Post by: Engineer on Apr 27, 2022, 12:19:23 AM
Quote from: VeteranSergeant on Apr 27, 2022, 12:05:34 AM
Quote from: Engineer on Mar 26, 2022, 06:44:35 AM
Quote from: Kradan on Mar 26, 2022, 06:07:06 AM
Quote from: Engineer on Mar 26, 2022, 04:40:36 AM
Quote from: skhellter on Mar 26, 2022, 04:32:51 AM
Quote from: Engineer on Mar 26, 2022, 04:31:59 AM
Eyeing ripley up and down doesn't necessarily mean it was attraction.
...while remarking on how pretty Ripley is. lol

jesus. :laugh:
When?!
Who is Snow White ?
I always took that as mockery 🤷‍♂️
Snow White (as depicted in the 1937 Disney movie) has pale skin and short dark hair. I don't think it was even mocking. Ripley literally just looks a lot like Snow White.
So a hispanic character, referencing Snow White when referring to a very pale white woman doesn't sound like mockery to you?
Title: Re: Titan Books Unveils Novels Aliens: Vasquez By Author V. Castro
Post by: VeteranSergeant on Apr 27, 2022, 12:50:14 AM
Aside from the fact that the Marines in general had a fairly disdainful attitude towards civilians, I don't really see it as "mocking" to say "Hey, she looks like Snow White," any more than people aren't mocking me when they say I look kind of like Ryan Gosling, to which I usually joke "The cheapest Ryan Gosling lookalike you could hire for your Netflix Original movie" which is mocking.

Doesn't really matter that Vasquez is Hispanic. She can still understand who Snow White is and make the association with Ripley's appearance, and use the name since she doesn't actually know who Ripley is, but thinks Ferro might (which infers that Vasquez went into cryo before Ferro and Ripley).

Maybe I just don't immediately get offended by every inference made to someone's personal appearance in a generic associative fashion. Suggesting someone looks like Snow White wouldn't typically be considered an insult without some other demeaning context (such as her being pale, or helpless, etc). But there's no such context in that scene. She's literally asking it to another pale skinned white woman with short hair, who doesn't have any similarity to Snow White, but whose name she does know and is familiar with. She even then sarcastically says "How pretty" which is a reference to Snow White being the "fairest of them all."

There's clearly a middle ground between skhellter and Kradan projecting sexual attraction onto the scene and you projecting a racially motivated insult.  That middle ground being "Who's the woman who kinda looks like that Disney character?"
Title: Re: Titan Books Unveils Novels Aliens: Vasquez By Author V. Castro
Post by: Engineer on Apr 27, 2022, 01:15:35 AM
Quote from: VeteranSergeant on Apr 27, 2022, 12:50:14 AM
Aside from the fact that the Marines in general had a fairly disdainful attitude towards civilians, I don't really see it as "mocking" to say "Hey, she looks like Snow White," any more than people aren't mocking me when they say I look kind of like Ryan Gosling, to which I usually joke "The cheapest Ryan Gosling lookalike you could hire for your Netflix Original movie" which is mocking.

Doesn't really matter that Vasquez is Hispanic. She can still understand who Snow White is and make the association with Ripley's appearance, and use the name since she doesn't actually know who Ripley is, but thinks Ferro might (which infers that Vasquez went into cryo before Ferro and Ripley).

Maybe I just don't immediately get offended by every inference made to someone's personal appearance in a generic associative fashion. Suggesting someone looks like Snow White wouldn't typically be considered an insult without some other demeaning context (such as her being pale, or helpless, etc). But there's no such context in that scene. She's literally asking it to another pale skinned white woman with short hair, who doesn't have any similarity to Snow White, but whose name she does know and is familiar with. She even then sarcastically says "How pretty" which is a reference to Snow White being the "fairest of them all."

There's clearly a middle ground between skhellter and Kradan projecting sexual attraction onto the scene and you projecting a racially motivated insult.  That middle ground being "Who's the woman who kinda looks like that Disney character?"

To be clear, it's not something I found immediately offensive. But I did always interpret that as a macho-istic  jab at a white woman who she viewed as a pansy, or in this context, hasn't proven herself in Vasquez's eyes the same way ferro has. It's the same sort of banter that went on in the high school locker room; I've had people take jabs at me for being white, but it wasn't something I necessarily took as racist, just banter. Most of those guys were good friends of mine, so I knew they were kidding around and I laughed about it with them too... this scene, honestly, just reminded me of that sort of banter more than anything else...
Title: Re: Titan Books Unveils Novels Aliens: Vasquez By Author V. Castro
Post by: Stitch on Apr 27, 2022, 06:59:42 AM
Quote from: VeteranSergeant on Apr 27, 2022, 12:50:14 AM
Aside from the fact that the Marines in general had a fairly disdainful attitude towards civilians, I don't really see it as "mocking" to say "Hey, she looks like Snow White," any more than people aren't mocking me when they say I look kind of like Ryan Gosling, to which I usually joke "The cheapest Ryan Gosling lookalike you could hire for your Netflix Original movie" which is mocking.

Doesn't really matter that Vasquez is Hispanic. She can still understand who Snow White is and make the association with Ripley's appearance, and use the name since she doesn't actually know who Ripley is, but thinks Ferro might (which infers that Vasquez went into cryo before Ferro and Ripley).

Maybe I just don't immediately get offended by every inference made to someone's personal appearance in a generic associative fashion. Suggesting someone looks like Snow White wouldn't typically be considered an insult without some other demeaning context (such as her being pale, or helpless, etc). But there's no such context in that scene. She's literally asking it to another pale skinned white woman with short hair, who doesn't have any similarity to Snow White, but whose name she does know and is familiar with. She even then sarcastically says "How pretty" which is a reference to Snow White being the "fairest of them all."

There's clearly a middle ground between skhellter and Kradan projecting sexual attraction onto the scene and you projecting a racially motivated insult.  That middle ground being "Who's the woman who kinda looks like that Disney character?"
I think it's less racially charged than you're implying, and more military vs civvies.

Snow White has dark hair and pale skin, like Ripley, but is a Disney princess who lives in a world where forest creatures dance around with her, with a father who protects her in a castle away from harm. Prior to the wicked Queen escapade, anyway. There's also a purity allegory. White is seen as unsullied and pure.

Basically, Vasquez sees this woman invading her space who looks like plain white bread, and presumes she's never been in any form of danger. Therefore she can't work out why Ripley is there, and automatically goes into mockery mode, because Ripley isn't part of her team.

I don't see any sexual attraction, nor any racially charged animosity. It's just 'who's this greenhorn that hasn't even been through basic?'.
Title: Re: Titan Books Unveils Novels Aliens: Vasquez By Author V. Castro
Post by: Engineer on Apr 27, 2022, 01:40:35 PM
Quote from: Stitch on Apr 27, 2022, 06:59:42 AM
Quote from: VeteranSergeant on Apr 27, 2022, 12:50:14 AM
Aside from the fact that the Marines in general had a fairly disdainful attitude towards civilians, I don't really see it as "mocking" to say "Hey, she looks like Snow White," any more than people aren't mocking me when they say I look kind of like Ryan Gosling, to which I usually joke "The cheapest Ryan Gosling lookalike you could hire for your Netflix Original movie" which is mocking.

Doesn't really matter that Vasquez is Hispanic. She can still understand who Snow White is and make the association with Ripley's appearance, and use the name since she doesn't actually know who Ripley is, but thinks Ferro might (which infers that Vasquez went into cryo before Ferro and Ripley).

Maybe I just don't immediately get offended by every inference made to someone's personal appearance in a generic associative fashion. Suggesting someone looks like Snow White wouldn't typically be considered an insult without some other demeaning context (such as her being pale, or helpless, etc). But there's no such context in that scene. She's literally asking it to another pale skinned white woman with short hair, who doesn't have any similarity to Snow White, but whose name she does know and is familiar with. She even then sarcastically says "How pretty" which is a reference to Snow White being the "fairest of them all."

There's clearly a middle ground between skhellter and Kradan projecting sexual attraction onto the scene and you projecting a racially motivated insult.  That middle ground being "Who's the woman who kinda looks like that Disney character?"
I think it's less racially charged than you're implying, and more military vs civvies.

Snow White has dark hair and pale skin, like Ripley, but is a Disney princess who lives in a world where forest creatures dance around with her, with a father who protects her in a castle away from harm. Prior to the wicked Queen escapade, anyway. There's also a purity allegory. White is seen as unsullied and pure.

Basically, Vasquez sees this woman invading her space who looks like plain white bread, and presumes she's never been in any form of danger. Therefore she can't work out why Ripley is there, and automatically goes into mockery mode, because Ripley isn't part of her team.

I don't see any sexual attraction, nor any racially charged animosity. It's just 'who's this greenhorn that hasn't even been through basic?'.

I think I'm doing a bad job of articulating myself here, but no I don't think it's THAT racially charged. I'm not saying she's racist. Clearly she's not. But I don't think it's a coincidence she picked Snow White out of every Disney princess out there. It was a reference to her appearance, a superficial comment. One that seemed more like mockery of who she was to me than anything else.
Title: Re: Titan Books Unveils Novels Aliens: Vasquez By Author V. Castro
Post by: Corporal Hicks on Oct 26, 2022, 11:29:14 AM
Looks like this is now out in the UK. My copy from Amazon just arrived.
Title: Re: Titan Books Unveils Novels Aliens: Vasquez By Author V. Castro
Post by: Xiggz456 on Oct 28, 2022, 07:14:37 PM
Got pushed back to Nov 8th stateside >:(
Title: Re: Titan Books Unveils Novels Aliens: Vasquez By Author V. Castro
Post by: felix on Oct 30, 2022, 04:15:04 AM
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Oct 26, 2022, 11:29:14 AMLooks like this is now out in the UK. My copy from Amazon just arrived.

So how was it?
Title: Re: Titan Books Unveils Novels Aliens: Vasquez By Author V. Castro
Post by: Corporal Hicks on Oct 31, 2022, 10:50:30 AM
I've not finished it, but I've been rather enjoying it. My only real complaint so far is it's a little heavy handed on some of the current day politic allegory but it's been relevant to the character and not like Colony War's handling.
Title: Re: Titan Books Unveils Novels Aliens: Vasquez By Author V. Castro
Post by: Corporal Hicks on Nov 03, 2022, 03:36:09 PM
https://twitter.com/vlatinalondon/status/1588176817558622209

I'm about 180 pages in, in Part 3. Mini progress review.

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It's taken a while to get to Alien. The first 80 of so pages with Jenette Vasquez I actually really enjoyed. Then we spent another 100 pages with her kids. It's been well written, but it's not really felt Alien as yet. And I don't mean a lack of the creatures, just the world-building. It's felt very contemporary, with the only real Alien feel being the name Vasquez. 
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Title: Re: Titan Books Unveils Novels Aliens: Vasquez By Author V. Castro
Post by: Wweyland on Nov 03, 2022, 10:20:13 PM
I will be getting the book soon as well. Would be cool if they reference one of the Vasquez relatives from the EU (sister and cousin I believe).
Title: Re: Titan Books Unveils Novels Aliens: Vasquez By Author V. Castro
Post by: Corporal Hicks on Nov 04, 2022, 06:34:51 AM
Quote from: Wweyland on Nov 03, 2022, 10:20:13 PMI will be getting the book soon as well. Would be cool if they reference one of the Vasquez relatives from the EU (sister and cousin I believe).

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Sister from Colonial Marines is mentioned, as is her nephew from Aftermath.
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Title: Re: Titan Books Unveils Novels Aliens: Vasquez By Author V. Castro
Post by: Wweyland on Nov 04, 2022, 08:31:42 PM
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Nov 04, 2022, 06:34:51 AM
Quote from: Wweyland on Nov 03, 2022, 10:20:13 PMI will be getting the book soon as well. Would be cool if they reference one of the Vasquez relatives from the EU (sister and cousin I believe).

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Sister from Colonial Marines is mentioned, as is her nephew from Aftermath.
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That's great to hear. I know Cameron also dropped some background tidbits about her and Drake.
About them being juvies or something.
Also wondering how much Drake factors into this and if there are any Bug Hunt connections (probably not).
Title: Re: Titan Books Unveils Novels Aliens: Vasquez By Author V. Castro
Post by: Corporal Hicks on Nov 08, 2022, 08:39:52 AM
I'm on page 300 currently. Got another 120 or so left to go. I'm starting to lose interest, unfortunately. While it started strong with the Jenette Vasquez background, it still continues to feel nothing like Aliens. There's random chapters of some research related to the Aliens interspersed throughout the book to remind readers, it is an Alien book, but it just continues to feel so contemporary. There's no twist on things like mobiles or tablets or smart watches.

There's some interesting stuff with the Aliens, but it's also getting silly.

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I've been enjoying the things like developing bacteria weapons against the Aliens. I thought it might have been a callback to Labyrinth when it was first brought up, but I think it's just going to be the accelerant now.

But we're doing things like mutating little parasites into little Xenosite and I'm getting images of Spaceballs.
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And I'm starting to see some more and more dialogue that's just not feeling very natural.

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Quote"We've both got military in our family, so let the best woman win."
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Looks like the book is now available on Audible now.
Title: Re: Titan Books Unveils Novels Aliens: Vasquez By Author V. Castro
Post by: Engineer on Nov 08, 2022, 08:03:06 PM
I've caught the beginning few chapters on audible...

A) this book so far is worse than I could have imagined. I'd rank it as a 0 out of 10 so far.

B) do NOT bother with the audiobook version. The narrator is the worst, most monotoned narrator I've ever heard. Makes frequent, awkward pauses too.
Title: Re: Titan Books Unveils Novels Aliens: Vasquez By Author V. Castro
Post by: Mr. Clemens on Nov 08, 2022, 09:51:32 PM
That reminds me, back in the day I had Alien3 read by Lance Henriksen... it was the greatest cure for insomnia I've ever known. :D
Title: Re: Titan Books Unveils Novels Aliens: Vasquez By Author V. Castro
Post by: Engineer on Nov 08, 2022, 10:11:20 PM
Quote from: Mr. Clemens on Nov 08, 2022, 09:51:32 PMThat reminds me, back in the day I had Alien3 read by Lance Henriksen... it was the greatest cure for insomnia I've ever known. :D
I wish there was a "laugh" button but a "like" will do lol
The one with Peter Guinness is better.


Sorry for the double post, but both versions of the Alien3 audiobook are available on Audible. The one narrated by Peter Guinness and the one narrated by Lance Henriksen... just in case anyone one is interested...
Title: Re: Titan Books Unveils Novels Aliens: Vasquez By Author V. Castro
Post by: Engineer on Nov 09, 2022, 03:18:08 AM
Triple post!
I've figured it out...
The narrator sounds like she's reading erotica the whole time. It's weird af.
Title: Re: Titan Books Unveils Novels Aliens: Vasquez By Author V. Castro
Post by: Wweyland on Nov 09, 2022, 11:00:55 PM
Is there any of Drake or the other marines?
Title: Re: Titan Books Unveils Novels Aliens: Vasquez By Author V. Castro
Post by: Engineer on Nov 09, 2022, 11:11:44 PM
Quote from: Wweyland on Nov 09, 2022, 11:00:55 PMIs there any of Drake or the other marines?
Yes
Mostly Drake
Title: Re: Titan Books Unveils Novels Aliens: Vasquez By Author V. Castro
Post by: The Cruentus on Nov 10, 2022, 12:17:01 PM
I have given it a quick puruse just to what I am getting in to and some parts of it do remind me of Starship Troopers
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Namely, how the government/the law behaves. For example, Vasquez is threatened with forced sterilization and having her baby be the propery of the government. quite a dark future which I am not sure I how feel about. In starship troopers, the flaws and fascisms of the government was part of the story and background, but in the alien universe, I am not quite sure if it fits or not since none of early movies give details on how the governent is run.
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Title: Re: Titan Books Unveils Novels Aliens: Vasquez By Author V. Castro
Post by: BlueMarsalis79 on Nov 10, 2022, 12:28:26 PM
I mean, that's not some potential dark future, it's places in the world today.
Title: Re: Titan Books Unveils Novels Aliens: Vasquez By Author V. Castro
Post by: The Cruentus on Nov 10, 2022, 12:30:23 PM
True, i heard stories of such things happening in china when they had the one child rule.
Title: Re: Titan Books Unveils Novels Aliens: Vasquez By Author V. Castro
Post by: BlueMarsalis79 on Nov 10, 2022, 12:34:26 PM
I was more thinking America actually, specifically with regard to ICE facilities, or even the mother and baby homes here in the United Kingdom.
Title: Re: Titan Books Unveils Novels Aliens: Vasquez By Author V. Castro
Post by: Corporal Hicks on Nov 10, 2022, 01:10:16 PM
My take was that it was all very clear commentary on recent America.
Title: Re: Titan Books Unveils Novels Aliens: Vasquez By Author V. Castro
Post by: Kradan on Nov 10, 2022, 05:03:27 PM
Quote from: Mr. Clemens on Nov 08, 2022, 09:51:32 PMThat reminds me, back in the day I had Alien3 read by Lance Henriksen... it was the greatest cure for insomnia I've ever known. :D

What about Blade Runner narrated by Harrison Ford ?
Title: Re: Titan Books Unveils Novels Aliens: Vasquez By Author V. Castro
Post by: Mr. Clemens on Nov 10, 2022, 08:49:17 PM
Quote from: Kradan on Nov 10, 2022, 05:03:27 PM
Quote from: Mr. Clemens on Nov 08, 2022, 09:51:32 PMThat reminds me, back in the day I had Alien3 read by Lance Henriksen... it was the greatest cure for insomnia I've ever known. :D

What about Blade Runner narrated by Harrison Ford ?

I know you're mostly joking, but I gotta say I never minded the voice-over. Probably because I read the comic (several times) before I saw the movie. When it finally came out on VHS, I was actually surprised there was so little voice-over!  ;D
Title: Re: Titan Books Unveils Novels Aliens: Vasquez By Author V. Castro
Post by: Kradan on Nov 10, 2022, 09:19:48 PM
IT"S DISCLAIMIN' TIME: I only watched BR like 1 or 2 times and never watched the voice-over version but I know it's quite notorious amongst movie's fans
Title: Re: Titan Books Unveils Novels Aliens: Vasquez By Author V. Castro
Post by: Corporal Hicks on Nov 13, 2022, 08:07:30 AM
I finished this yesterday. I had to force myself to keep reading after I lost interest. The last 100 pages were a struggle. But hey, Aliens showed up, and they were on another planet.

So yeah. I still stand by enjoying the first part with Vasquez's background. But even then, it still felt very contemporary. This never really felt like an Alien book outside of

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the names (and even the Grant and Kramer names got thrown around). There was some nice stuff with a viral weapon against the Alien, but it doesn't amount to much and instead seems to set up a sequel I'm just not interested in. Lots of recent music references without the conceit of a character being interested in oldies. The training never leaves Earth. Mobile phones and smartwatchs without even trying to give them other names. It was lots of farming without any contrast to modern cities. I know they seem like small things, but it's the world-building and scene setting.

I did like that Leticia didn't get what she set out to do, and she made other opportunities. But again, it felt heavy-handed like some of the earlier modern politic commentary.
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But the over all sensation is it just didn't feel like it belonged in the Alien universe. I didn't hate the book. I'm just indifferent to it. Wouldn't recommend to Alien fans.
Title: Re: Titan Books Unveils Novels Aliens: Vasquez By Author V. Castro
Post by: Kradan on Nov 13, 2022, 11:26:10 AM
It seems like there has been more misses than hits with Titan, eh ?
Title: Re: Titan Books Unveils Novels Aliens: Vasquez By Author V. Castro
Post by: Corporal Hicks on Nov 13, 2022, 01:03:05 PM
I keep thinking that of this year too, but I think I'm just more focused on the negative experiences because I've found them especially frustrating.

In 2022 we've had -

Aliens vs. Predators: Ultimate Prey (enjoyed)
Alien: Colony War (loathed)
Alien: Inferno's Fall (enjoyed)
Predator: Eyes of the Demon (enjoyed)
Aliens vs. Predators: Rift War (can't even get past the first 50 or so pages)
Aliens: Vasquez (indifferent to)

So 50/50. Could have been worse, but definitely not their best year. They've managed to break the tie-in curse and just have some genuinely unenjoyable original novels too. :(
Title: Re: Titan Books Unveils Novels Aliens: Vasquez By Author V. Castro
Post by: Engineer on Nov 13, 2022, 04:00:40 PM
Quote from: Kradan on Nov 13, 2022, 11:26:10 AMIt seems like there has been more misses than hits with Titan, eh ?
I'd agree with this. Admittedly, there's a number of newer novels I haven't gotten to yet, but so far there's only been 4 novels by Titan I've loved. The rest I thought were mediocre or just downright bad.
Title: Re: Titan Books Unveils Novels Aliens: Vasquez By Author V. Castro
Post by: Kradan on Nov 13, 2022, 04:08:36 PM
They also seem to be cranking them up at a much faster pace. Maybe it's a case of "quantity vs quality " ?
Title: Re: Titan Books Unveils Novels Aliens: Vasquez By Author V. Castro
Post by: Engineer on Nov 13, 2022, 05:14:30 PM
I'm just speculating here, but I think there might have been a lot of uncertainty with how things would go forward with the Disney acquisition. So for a few years, it seemed to me like they were slowing down to see how things played out. Now that there's been some time for Disney and Titan to sort of adjust to their new normal, I think they're just producing novels at their normal pace again which just seems fast to us because we aren't used to it... but again, just speculating. When Titan first got the license though, they did put out a number of novels pretty quickly.
Title: Re: Titan Books Unveils Novels Aliens: Vasquez By Author V. Castro
Post by: happypred on Nov 15, 2022, 09:31:33 AM
Quote from: BlueMarsalis79 on Nov 10, 2022, 12:34:26 PMI was more thinking America actually, specifically with regard to ICE facilities, or even the mother and baby homes here in the United Kingdom.


Aye and I think that hits closer to home for the authour
Title: Re: Titan Books Unveils Novels Aliens: Vasquez By Author V. Castro
Post by: Xiggz456 on Nov 17, 2022, 05:24:54 PM
Just finished reading and overall I found the experience enjoyable although I do have a few niggles. This is undeniably a Mexican-American (Chicano/a) story full of Spanglish prose and cultural references. As someone who grew up in this culture I fully identified with the Vasquez familia and thoroughly enjoyed the family dynamics throughout the book. Hopefully those unfamiliar with this culture can still appreciate these aspects of the story as well. The Aliens action was well written but unfortunately we don't get to the thick of it until 3/4 of the way through the book; however the world building and character dynamics were on full display leading up to the action.

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The love square between the Vasquez's, Yutani and Vickers bordered on the fanfic side of things but thankfully the writing was good enough to help me overlook this aspect. I was also somewhat intrigued with the various applications that the science team was working on, including the hybridization of Xenos and pork tapeworms to infect waters along with a virus that can neutralize them. This actually reminded me of the arthropod-xeno hybrids from the "Revival" comic arc which were also scientifically hybridized to access to harder to reach areas. Lastly, I really liked the way in which the queens adapted after getting their appendages and lower jaw removed which further reinforced the Perfect Organism trope.
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All in all I'd probably rate this one a 7/10.
Title: Re: Titan Books Unveils Novels Aliens: Vasquez By Author V. Castro
Post by: Corporal Hicks on Nov 18, 2022, 10:19:29 AM
I'd been really curious to hear some opinions from folk who was a part of the culture, especially as I know some folk thought it might have been too stereotypical. I'm glad to hear you enjoyed it.

I'd forgotten about the
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Queen appendage adaption.
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That was actually something I particularly enjoyed while reading it. It was a shame we got so little around the Alien. I'm still not keen on the
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tapeworm Aliens though.
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That was a step too far for me.
Title: Re: Titan Books Unveils Novels Aliens: Vasquez By Author V. Castro
Post by: Xiggz456 on Nov 20, 2022, 01:20:45 PM
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Nov 18, 2022, 10:19:29 AMI'd been really curious to hear some opinions from who was apart of the culture, especially as I know some folk thought it might have been too stereotypical. I'm glad to hear you enjoyed it.

I'd forgotten about the
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Queen appendage adaption.
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That was actually something I particularly enjoyed while reading it. It was a shame we got so little around the Alien. I'm still not keen on the
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tapeworm Aliens though.
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That was a step too far for me.

To be fair all of your critiques were valid and I may have been caught up in just relating with the characters. Especially in regards to the world feeling a bit too modern day (I blame Covenant for normalizing the use of old music though!).

Titan dropped 6 books this year which is by far the most they've ever released in a year. Most other years sees 2-3 books released and 2017 had 4 if you include the Covenant novelization. I think they could've done a better job with spacing out the releases though as we got half of the books released in August. So while I loved getting so much content, we bordered on a quantity over quality scenario this year.
Title: Re: Titan Books Unveils Novels Aliens: Vasquez By Author V. Castro
Post by: SiL on Nov 20, 2022, 11:12:37 PM
Ripley sings "You Are My Lucky Star" and Dallas listens to Mozart; listening to old music is a franchise staple!
Title: Re: Titan Books Unveils Novels Aliens: Vasquez By Author V. Castro
Post by: BlueMarsalis79 on Nov 22, 2022, 03:00:48 AM
Very true
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Post by: [cancerblack] on Nov 22, 2022, 09:44:34 AM
We could probably even imply something about the corporate hellscape having strangled art and people endlessly consuming the classics over and over.

Although that might be a little close to home.
Title: Re: Titan Books Unveils Novels Aliens: Vasquez By Author V. Castro
Post by: VeteranSergeant on Nov 28, 2022, 08:22:25 PM
Quote from: Kradan on Nov 13, 2022, 11:26:10 AMIt seems like there has been more misses than hits with Titan, eh ?
It's par for the course for license fiction. The authors doing these novels are often just "churn fiction" writers where they crank out a few novels a year based on an existing license.

I think so far, the only book from Titan I actually liked was The Cold Forge. There are a few that are okay. Everything from there is just a slow slide down to a flooded basement where stuff like River of Pain, Colony War, and the Isolation novelization bob around in fetid, murky water.

This novel was... not good. I listened to it while I worked because I got a promo copy of it as an audiobook. It just starts on a shaky premise (for example, Vasquez having two kids she had to give up kinda makes her complete indifference to Newt pretty weird), and the military parts scream of an author completely unfamiliar with the military, and the science fiction parts by an author not really familiar with science in general. Honestly, she doesn't even seem familiar with the Aliens franchise, but I'll be fair in that the license is so muddled with contradictory depictions.

Might have been an almost interesting story about another Hispanic family in some generic military of the near future. But as an origin story for Vasquez the Colonial Marine from the film Aliens... not very much. If you can even call it that, since Jeanette Vasquez is only in about a third of the story. Vasquez is such a great character. I'd loved to have gotten a more thoughtful, series-faithful story about her background, about the rigors/challenges of being a Colonial Marine, about her friendship with Drake. Instead, this is just very dry, very slow, and mostly meanders about the lives of her two (adult) children. Even for a setting with cryosleep, slower space travel, and the potential of time dilation, it doesn't feel very well thought out.

I dunno. 1/5 for a fan of the Aliens franchise.  Maybe a 2/5 if you just like near-future sci-fi.
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Post by: Corporal Hicks on Dec 02, 2022, 08:29:49 PM
https://twitter.com/GeekPride1/status/1598762619636154387?t=aNVrVbdPSHlO5neiyxxn8Q&s=19
Title: Re: Titan Books Unveils Novels Aliens: Vasquez By Author V. Castro
Post by: Gentleman Death on Jan 11, 2023, 11:46:45 AM
Maybe because I went in reading this with zero interest, but I found it more enjoyable than Inferno and Colony.

I think this is a solid story without the baggage of the Vasquez name attached.

It definitely had some cringe dialogue throughout but I enjoyed the length of time the main characters progressed story wise and at times felt a little like the older novels.
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Post by: felix on Mar 12, 2023, 10:42:24 AM
And the paperback version of Vasquez is coming in Oct.

https://www.amazon.com/Aliens-Vasquez-V-Castro/dp/1803363037/ref=sr_1_4?crid=1OFDTIQS3CTWZ&keywords=alien+titan&qid=1678617618&s=books&sprefix=alien+titan%2Cstripbooks-intl-ship%2C277&sr=1-4
Title: Re: Titan Books Unveils Novels Aliens: Vasquez By Author V. Castro
Post by: Wweyland on Mar 12, 2023, 03:00:06 PM
Aliens: Hudson next? Would read.
Title: Re: Titan Books Unveils Novels Aliens: Vasquez By Author V. Castro
Post by: Xenomrph on Mar 12, 2023, 08:37:39 PM
Quote from: Wweyland on Mar 12, 2023, 03:00:06 PMAliens: Hudson next? Would read.
Aliens: Van Leuwen when????
Title: Re: Titan Books Unveils Novels Aliens: Vasquez By Author V. Castro
Post by: Wweyland on Mar 12, 2023, 10:38:32 PM
Quote from: Xenomrph on Mar 12, 2023, 08:37:39 PM
Quote from: Wweyland on Mar 12, 2023, 03:00:06 PMAliens: Hudson next? Would read.
Aliens: Van Leuwen when????
So many opportunities with that, as the character survived
Title: Re: Titan Books Unveils Novels Aliens: Vasquez By Author V. Castro
Post by: Xenomrph on Mar 12, 2023, 11:57:24 PM
Quote from: Wweyland on Mar 12, 2023, 10:38:32 PM
Quote from: Xenomrph on Mar 12, 2023, 08:37:39 PM
Quote from: Wweyland on Mar 12, 2023, 03:00:06 PMAliens: Hudson next? Would read.
Aliens: Van Leuwen when????
So many opportunities with that, as the character survived
I want it to be the most boring corporate/government gobbledygook imaginable, borderline unreadable, just 400 pages of non-stop meetings about minutiae and bullshit.

And then I want Xenopedia to catalogue every line of it.
Title: Re: Titan Books Unveils Novels Aliens: Vasquez By Author V. Castro
Post by: SiL on Mar 13, 2023, 12:29:39 AM
250 pages of him dealing with the fallout of "Oh I guess there were aliens after all" and the legislative and operational changes needed to handle these situations more appropriately in the future.

Then when WY closes Fiorina 161 and tries to withhold information about the fate of the Sulaco team, he personally spearheads the cause to make an example of WY's corporate overreach. This results in massive sell-offs of WY stock that tank their value and make them susceptible to be bought by Wal-Mart.
Title: Re: Titan Books Unveils Novels Aliens: Vasquez By Author V. Castro
Post by: Xenomrph on Mar 13, 2023, 12:41:46 AM
No no, that's way too interesting, I want infinite meetings about, like, the logistics of shipping appropriately-nutritious foodstuffs to space stations or the importance of adequately stress-testing spaceship engines or some shit. Include a 70-page rambling fillibuster in front of the United Americas congress where he listens to some politician talk ad nauseum about the importance of starship atmosphere air mixtures being a certain percentage of different gases.

Edit-- maybe end the book with the last page being him going into a meeting about extraterrestrials. Never write a sequel to the book, to give the reader the most ridiculous set of literary blue balls ever.
Title: Re: Titan Books Unveils Novels Aliens: Vasquez By Author V. Castro
Post by: BlueMarsalis79 on Mar 13, 2023, 01:24:06 AM
Quote from: SiL on Mar 13, 2023, 12:29:39 AM250 pages of him dealing with the fallout of "Oh I guess there were aliens after all" and the legislative and operational changes needed to handle these situations more appropriately in the future.

Then when WY closes Fiorina 161 and tries to withhold information about the fate of the Sulaco team, he personally spearheads the cause to make an example of WY's corporate overreach. This results in massive sell-offs of WY stock that tank their value and make them susceptible to be bought by Wal-Mart.

Would genuinely dig this.
Title: Re: Titan Books Unveils Novels Aliens: Vasquez By Author V. Castro
Post by: SiL on Mar 13, 2023, 01:46:57 AM
Yeah I'll be honest the more I wrote the more I realised that wouldn't be a completely awful story.

But then I'm the kind of person who thinks Solaris is a fun read and that's 90% people reading textbooks about a fictional planet.
Title: Re: Titan Books Unveils Novels Aliens: Vasquez By Author V. Castro
Post by: Local Trouble on Mar 13, 2023, 03:18:56 AM
Any novel about Van Leuwen would inevitably turn him into a mustache-twirling villain who's in bed with WeyYu and probably knew all about SO937.
Title: Re: Titan Books Unveils Novels Aliens: Vasquez By Author V. Castro
Post by: SiL on Mar 13, 2023, 04:26:59 AM
That's why you have it written by people who have actually seen the movie.
Title: Re: Titan Books Unveils Novels Aliens: Vasquez By Author V. Castro
Post by: Local Trouble on Mar 13, 2023, 05:43:28 AM
Quote from: SiL on Mar 13, 2023, 04:26:59 AMThat's why you have it written by people who have actually seen the movie.

That's exactly the kind of radical idea that makes us all look like toxic fans.  If it wasn't for ignoring the movies, we'd have never gotten a third cryotube on the Narcissus!
Title: Re: Titan Books Unveils Novels Aliens: Vasquez By Author V. Castro
Post by: Wweyland on Mar 13, 2023, 09:35:15 AM
Aliens: Van Leuwen is basically writing itself.
Quote from: Local Trouble on Mar 13, 2023, 03:18:56 AMAny novel about Van Leuwen would inevitably turn him into a mustache-twirling villain who's in bed with WeyYu and probably knew all about SO937.
Like Alien: River of Pain did for the bored Hadley's Hope leads? I hated that.
Title: Re: Titan Books Unveils Novels Aliens: Vasquez By Author V. Castro
Post by: Local Trouble on Mar 13, 2023, 06:58:29 PM
Quote from: Wweyland on Mar 13, 2023, 09:35:15 AMAliens: Van Leuwen is basically writing itself.
Quote from: Local Trouble on Mar 13, 2023, 03:18:56 AMAny novel about Van Leuwen would inevitably turn him into a mustache-twirling villain who's in bed with WeyYu and probably knew all about SO937.
Like Alien: River of Pain did for the bored Hadley's Hope leads? I hated that.

I have never read that book.
Title: Re: Titan Books Unveils Novels Aliens: Vasquez By Author V. Castro
Post by: SiL on Mar 13, 2023, 08:04:00 PM
Quote from: Wweyland on Mar 13, 2023, 09:35:15 AMAliens: Van Leuwen is basically writing itself.
Quote from: Local Trouble on Mar 13, 2023, 03:18:56 AMAny novel about Van Leuwen would inevitably turn him into a mustache-twirling villain who's in bed with WeyYu and probably knew all about SO937.
Like Alien: River of Pain did for the bored Hadley's Hope leads? I hated that.
They did what now
Title: Re: Titan Books Unveils Novels Aliens: Vasquez By Author V. Castro
Post by: Corporal Hicks on Mar 13, 2023, 08:32:26 PM
It introduced new WY scientists that were a little mustache-twirly.
Title: Re: Titan Books Unveils Novels Aliens: Vasquez By Author V. Castro
Post by: Xenomrph on Mar 14, 2023, 12:26:39 AM
Quote from: SiL on Mar 13, 2023, 01:46:57 AMYeah I'll be honest the more I wrote the more I realised that wouldn't be a completely awful story.

But then I'm the kind of person who thinks Solaris is a fun read and that's 90% people reading textbooks about a fictional planet.
I really liked Solaris too.


Quote from: Local Trouble on Mar 13, 2023, 05:43:28 AM
Quote from: SiL on Mar 13, 2023, 04:26:59 AMThat's why you have it written by people who have actually seen the movie.

That's exactly the kind of radical idea that makes us all look like toxic fans.  If it wasn't for ignoring the movies, we'd have never gotten a third cryotube on the Narcissus!
Canon.
Title: Re: Titan Books Unveils Novels Aliens: Vasquez By Author V. Castro
Post by: Local Trouble on Mar 14, 2023, 12:57:23 AM
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Mar 13, 2023, 08:32:26 PMIt introduced new WY scientists that were a little mustache-twirly.

Did they report directly to Van Leuwen?
Title: Re: Titan Books Unveils Novels Aliens: Vasquez By Author V. Castro
Post by: Corporal Hicks on Mar 14, 2023, 06:07:05 AM
Not that I remember!
Title: Re: Titan Books Unveils Novels Aliens: Vasquez By Author V. Castro
Post by: VeteranSergeant on Mar 14, 2023, 04:08:06 PM
Quote from: Local Trouble on Mar 13, 2023, 06:58:29 PM
Quote from: Wweyland on Mar 13, 2023, 09:35:15 AMLike Alien: River of Pain did for the bored Hadley's Hope leads? I hated that.

I have never read that book.
You should let it remain that way. It's the worst, or second-worst of the Titan Books Alien novels. Completely brain dead, and completely incompatible, canonically, with the second film unless you handwave more than one of those inflatable auto dealership guys. Has a fun love triangle with Newt's mom and a Colonial Marine officer. Oh, and it has more Colonial Marines stationed at Hadley's Hope than are sent to investigate why they have lost contact with them, lol.

"Sir, we lost contact with the rifle platoon stationed at Hadley's Hope."

"Hmm. Very strange. Send one squad to find out why."
Title: Re: Titan Books Unveils Novels Aliens: Vasquez By Author V. Castro
Post by: SiL on Mar 15, 2023, 06:25:10 AM
Ok screw it, Aliens: Van Leuwen is now Commando in space, except he's trying to rescue his professional credibility, not his daughter. The climax is him single handedly raiding WY headquarters, cutting down waves of WY PMCs until he finally impales Bishop II with a steam pipe.

It apparently would not be the most ridiculous officially licensed story.
Title: Re: Titan Books Unveils Novels Aliens: Vasquez By Author V. Castro
Post by: Local Trouble on Mar 15, 2023, 06:47:12 AM
Van Leuwen single-handedly paved the way for the USM to take over? :o
Title: Re: Titan Books Unveils Novels Aliens: Vasquez By Author V. Castro
Post by: SiL on Mar 15, 2023, 07:01:40 AM
Who else?
Title: Re: Titan Books Unveils Novels Aliens: Vasquez By Author V. Castro
Post by: Kradan on Mar 15, 2023, 08:20:19 AM
Bishop II. Right after he planted Egg on Sulaco
Title: Re: Titan Books Unveils Novels Aliens: Vasquez By Author V. Castro
Post by: Wweyland on Mar 15, 2023, 10:45:49 AM
Quote from: VeteranSergeant on Mar 14, 2023, 04:08:06 PM
Quote from: Local Trouble on Mar 13, 2023, 06:58:29 PM
Quote from: Wweyland on Mar 13, 2023, 09:35:15 AMLike Alien: River of Pain did for the bored Hadley's Hope leads? I hated that.

I have never read that book.
You should let it remain that way. It's the worst, or second-worst of the Titan Books Alien novels. Completely brain dead, and completely incompatible, canonically, with the second film unless you handwave more than one of those inflatable auto dealership guys. Has a fun love triangle with Newt's mom and a Colonial Marine officer. Oh, and it has more Colonial Marines stationed at Hadley's Hope than are sent to investigate why they have lost contact with them, lol.

"Sir, we lost contact with the rifle platoon stationed at Hadley's Hope."

"Hmm. Very strange. Send one squad to find out why."
Not only that but there are at least 2 different ships that the colonist can (and would) escape with. I think it's actually 4 in total if you count Fire and Stone and one of the Bug Hunt short stories.
And the Aliens: Aftermath comic even added more convoluted things on top of that.
Title: Re: Titan Books Unveils Novels Aliens: Vasquez By Author V. Castro
Post by: Corporal Hicks on May 09, 2023, 02:55:50 PM
https://twitter.com/vlatinalondon/status/1655882484200927233
Title: Re: Titan Books Unveils Novels Aliens: Vasquez By Author V. Castro
Post by: Xenomrph on May 10, 2023, 01:57:14 AM
Oh come on, the wise author would say "of course! ;) ;) ;)"
Title: Re: Titan Books Unveils Novels Aliens: Vasquez By Author V. Castro
Post by: Corporal Hicks on May 10, 2023, 08:16:32 AM
I appreciate the honesty! I did think it was coincidental.
Title: Re: Titan Books Unveils Novels Aliens: Vasquez By Author V. Castro
Post by: Corporal Hicks on May 15, 2023, 04:15:52 PM
https://www.avpgalaxy.net/2023/05/15/even-if-were-just-dancin-in-the-dark-reviewing-aliens-vasquez-avp-galaxy-podcast-163/

Podcast is now up!
Title: Re: Titan Books Unveils Novels Aliens: Vasquez By Author V. Castro
Post by: Xiggz456 on May 16, 2023, 10:03:36 AM
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on May 09, 2023, 02:55:50 PMhttps://twitter.com/vlatinalondon/status/1655882484200927233

Quite the coincidence! Guess she just happened to be tapped into the Aliens EU wavelength lol.

Quote from: Corporal Hicks on May 15, 2023, 04:15:52 PMhttps://www.avpgalaxy.net/2023/05/15/even-if-were-just-dancin-in-the-dark-reviewing-aliens-vasquez-avp-galaxy-podcast-163/

Podcast is now up!

Voice and face reveal lol! Thanks again for having me and for all the extra time and effort you put into this community!
Title: Re: Titan Books Unveils Novels Aliens: Vasquez By Author V. Castro
Post by: Corporal Hicks on May 16, 2023, 10:16:13 AM
Quote from: Xiggz456 on May 16, 2023, 10:03:36 AMVoice and face reveal lol! Thanks again for having me and for all the extra time and effort you put into this community

Thanks for joining us! And thank you. :) Appreciate that.
Title: Re: Titan Books Unveils Novels Aliens: Vasquez By Author V. Castro
Post by: Xenomorphine on May 17, 2023, 09:35:09 AM
Sounds like yet another example of EU media getting so bored with the actual Alien, that they decide to make 'Warhammer 40K'/Resident Evil' cross-over fan fiction using tyranids, instead.
Title: Re: Titan Books Unveils Novels Aliens: Vasquez By Author V. Castro
Post by: Xenomrph on May 19, 2023, 03:06:43 AM
Quote from: Xenomorphine on May 17, 2023, 09:35:09 AMSounds like yet another example of EU media getting so bored with the actual Alien, that they decide to make 'Warhammer 40K'/Resident Evil' cross-over fan fiction using tyranids, instead.
What do you mean?
Title: Re: Titan Books Unveils Novels Aliens: Vasquez By Author V. Castro
Post by: nchurch81 on May 19, 2023, 03:11:15 AM
I feel bad saying this but.... Gosh, it's just not a good book. Like Colony Wars was awful, but at least there were some aliens in it.
Title: Re: Titan Books Unveils Novels Aliens: Vasquez By Author V. Castro
Post by: Corporal Hicks on May 19, 2023, 07:21:11 AM
I don't think Vasquez was anywhere near as bad as Colony War, (that book was so bad it genuinely offended me) but it was just...ok. There's things in it I really loved, things in it I didn't. It just sort of evened out and was ok.
Title: Re: Titan Books Unveils Novels Aliens: Vasquez By Author V. Castro
Post by: Wweyland on Mar 03, 2024, 08:26:49 AM
Finally got around to reading this. The first part of the book that focuses on Vasquez's backstory is descent but it should have perhaps been longer and featured more of Drake. For some reason, the dialogue is really cringey. People tend to break into weird monologues and inappropriate moments, like after being beaten up.

Having done quite a bit of bench pressing myself, the "tense" scene in the prison focusing on this lifting exercise fell flat to me.