https://twitter.com/whatsfilming/status/959516696200515590
Hopefully additional filming and not just reshoots
I don't even know... This is good news or bad news.
It's normal for movies to have reshoots. Many great ones do.
Quote from: Stealth_Hunter on Feb 02, 2018, 10:50:00 PM
It's normal for movies to have reshoots. Many great ones do.
Additioanl shooting wouldn't be a bad thing either tbh, maybe they wasn't happy with the final project 🤷🏽♂️
Now most likely the trailer will be much later.How would they get out of the situation if the premiere was in February as originally conceived?
Interesting... 🤔
https://twitter.com/thearnoldfans/status/959560883008520194
I doubt that Arnold changed his mind.
Quote from: black on Feb 03, 2018, 12:13:02 AM
I doubt that Arnold changed his mind.
unless they've beefed up his role 🤷🏽♂️
please be true!
https://www.dgc.ca/assets/Uploads/BritishColumbia/AvailsProductionLists/Documents/Production-List.pdf
The Production List.
I don't know what to think... I like Arnold but i don't think i need him to be in the movie at this point... Anyway if he's in it it won't change much for me, i'll still wait impatiently for the movie :)
I doubt it'll be anything like an Arnie cameo. More than likely it's just pick-ups or changes following the testing and editing.
Who said anything abou Arnold being in the movie?
Iv heard from numerous people on Reddit that Dutch is in it at the end , not sure it's true , but the rumours must be coming from somewhere . It doesn't have to be Arnold schwarzenegger playing Dutch but it would be nice .. the fact there are reshoots happening is slightly promising as well, something somewhere clearly wasn't working . It's good the studios have bit the bullet and decided to clean it up , what ever that may be . I'm still concerned about the super predator however , and rogue predators using machine guns ! not cool !
I need Arnold to be in the movie to make sure there is another Predator film. Otherwise, its downhill from here!
Long Live Dutch!!!!!
What to expect .....Robi puts on Predator's mask / shoulder canon and decides to walk the the streets in the midst of Halloween. He stumbles on school bullies, one of them throws an apple at him which Predator tech automatically perceive as an attack... with corresponding consequences.
Yes, it's a Halloween movie instead of Black's usual Christmas Eve.
More Predator dogs. One of them gets an "accidental lobotomy", becomes friendly, helps the heroes and overall very cute (because we gotta sell toys).
Obligatory "Robie drivin' the alien ship" scenes.
Predator-kidnapper
Predator is forced to use a machine gun (unmade AvP movie reference).
Lots of references, line drops and easter eggs.
Predators actually take spinal cord to collect human DNA and inject it into themselves in order to become stronger (because hunting trophies is sooo last century, right?)
There's a Dutch cameo but the scene can be easy cut from the story and the character can be easily replaced with Glover's or Baldwin's characters from P2.
EVIL the PREDATOR - Seriously? I hope this "heart attack" stuff just stay on the paper and never made it into the final production. If yes. . I will go to kill myself. Im SO confused. Fingers crossed!
Sounds like a bad b movie
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Quote from: acrediblesource on Feb 03, 2018, 09:30:12 PM
I need Arnold to be in the movie to make sure there is another Predator film. Otherwise, its downhill from here!
How do you figure?
They had to go back and shoot parts of avp2 and we all know how that turned out. I wasn't worried till now......
Quote from: Thedutchpredator on Feb 04, 2018, 12:22:53 AM
They had to go back and shoot parts of avp2 and we all know how that turned out. I wasn't worried till now......
Reshoots are normal.
Sometimes reshoots are perfectly fine and you never notice. Other times, you get Suicide Squad. :laugh:
My thoughts exactly
Did they throw reshoots into Suicide Squad 2 because the guys who cut the Bohemian Rhapsody trailer were given authority by the studio and basically made the film a music video? lol That production was seriously rushed it seemed.
Anyway, most big productions as I understand it plan to have extra time for reshoots, though. Logan, Harry Potter, Avatar, X-Men 2, Deadpool, Wonder Woman, John Wick 2, etc. were products of reshoots. They're usually meant to give more character moments, punch up action scenes or add changes based on focus group opinions. Perhaps Shane will be toning down some of the humor?
I doubt The Predator will do half as well as Suicide Squad and get a sequel so quickly.
Mad Max Fury Road also went thru reshoots.
I think there's a chance The Predator gets a sequel in 3 or 4 years if it's a critical and relative box office hit. Suicide Squad had to get a sequel quickly because there's too much invested in the universe surrounding it. Otherwise its a movie most people were disappointed by, generally speaking. Hopefully part 2 lives up to the hype.
Suicide Squad had mainstream success, no question. The purists are always going to complain.
Agreed it had mainstream financial success. I honestly liked enough of the movie to see more.
I wouldn't expect The Predator to aim for the same financial success. It's more in the ballpark of something like Sicario I think. That made around $85 million I think?
I'm with you bro .. if the script is true then I think we might have a stinker on our hands :/ then again it might be a great film .. only time will tell .
Almost every blockbuster goes back for reshoots, and 2 weeks is standard
https://twitter.com/JacobTremblay/status/959966848673394689
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DVJ8wIrV4AAXcSW.jpg:large)
*Added image. Hicks.
True about reshoots generally , but considering the overwhelmingly negative reactions from people who have read the script / seen the screenings I think it's fair to say fox know without change , the film will not be successful. I reckon it's the studio who have pushed for reshoots not black . I could be wrong , but I remember black explaining a few years back that this was going to be a big budget film , so if that's the case and fox have invested heavily, then it's safe to say they are worried , considering early reactions . I don't think it means the film is totally doomed , because after all Shane black is a good director , but I think in terms of box office success, I think it will be the same as predators , alien covenant and Prometheus . People have become used to not expecting much from these franchises. And while we are all die hard fans , most people just want to watch a memorable movie . Unfortunately as much as I enjoy predator and alien as characters , the films over the last 20 years have lacked in creativity and flare. Same as terminator , Jurassic park and many other franchises from the 80s and 90s.
Eh, reshoots are normal. Ghostbusters had reshoots a week or two before the final release and it's still legendary. I won't worry until I get to see this on the big screen.
Reshoots, test screenings, and test audiences, are dumb, i hate them, any chance of a movie being good gets destroyed after this kind of thing, and the difference of footage is very noticeable.
Quote from: D88M on Feb 04, 2018, 03:14:22 AM
Reshoots, test screenings, and test audiences, are dumb, i hate them, any chance of a movie being good gets destroyed after this kind of thing, and the difference of footage is very noticeable.
How do you know?
I gotta say that fan art work is something special great job!!!!!
I thought it was a movie screenshot! :o
Quote from: Hollywood on Feb 04, 2018, 03:38:05 AM
Quote from: D88M on Feb 04, 2018, 03:14:22 AM
Reshoots, test screenings, and test audiences, are dumb, i hate them, any chance of a movie being good gets destroyed after this kind of thing, and the difference of footage is very noticeable.
How do you know?
He doesn't. It's just hyperbolic fan reaction. This is all standard stuff. Film gets edited and tested, they decide if they need to film additional stuff to fix anything.
Reshoots this late generally meaning they're changing plot points rather than grabbing pickup shots.
Considering the script, though, this could easily swing either way. They might be removing some of the more contentious issues that people have already complained about sight-unseen, or they might be doubling down on the bullshit. Or something else entirely. We'll find out when the film comes out.
Just read the news post. Didn't know that image is from the set. I love that sign, like warning of bears or something.
So in this movie, predators are that common they have to put up signs? This takes away a bit of the mystery of the predator, and is likely to piss off fans, but I like it.
No, "on the set" doesn't mean it's actually in the film. It's just one of those "warning, don't enter, filming taking place" posters on the outside doors.
all the films you mentioned still made a decent profit especially Prometheus...
I love the warning stuff ! And i love this predator design ! I would totally be down for it to be the lone predator's design personally.
Quote from: ace3g on Feb 04, 2018, 02:34:42 AM
https://twitter.com/JacobTremblay/status/959966848673394689
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DVJ8wIrV4AAXcSW.jpg:large)
*Added image. Hicks.
As an FYI as I didn't recognise it. RidgeTop pointed out that this is actually an existing fan made design and not related to the film.
The original Predator had reshoots and look where we all hold that film today. Reshoots are a good thing and a natural part of the process. Productions are complex and sometimes in the edit things don't work out as intended. If the original Predator hadn't gone through the reshoots it did the film wouldn't have been the same. John McTiernan knew this. I don't know how Shane Black feels and truthfully why does it matter regardless of what's being redone, reworked, or added. If all we do is break this movie down before we've seen an inch of it, all we are left with misplaced bad feelings. I'm personally happy there is another predator film on the horizon. After Predators I thought that would be it. I'm glad I was wrong. There is still a place in the world for the predator.
Quote from: EVIL the PREDATOR on Feb 03, 2018, 09:25:18 PM
Iv heard from numerous people on Reddit that Dutch is in it at the end , not sure it's true , but the rumours must be coming from somewhere . It doesn't have to be Arnold schwarzenegger playing Dutch but it would be nice .. the fact there are reshoots happening is slightly promising as well, something somewhere clearly wasn't working . It's good the studios have bit the bullet and decided to clean it up , what ever that may be . I'm still concerned about the super predator however , and rogue predators using machine guns ! not cool !
No point in having a Dutch cameo if it isn't Arnold. A CGI Arnold would not make sense either, it would be too expensive for a cameo. I am neutral about this but would be nice to see confirmation that Dutch is still alive and kicking. Arnold has done a lot of cameos before so I can see this happening. Also, a few weeks of reshoots in an end of a production is not uncommon, I think Marvel does it for all it's movies.
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Feb 04, 2018, 02:58:16 PM
Quote from: ace3g on Feb 04, 2018, 02:34:42 AM
https://twitter.com/JacobTremblay/status/959966848673394689
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DVJ8wIrV4AAXcSW.jpg:large)
*Added image. Hicks.
As an FYI as I didn't recognise it. RidgeTop pointed out that this is actually an existing fan made design and not related to the film.
Oh ok ! I love it !
There was a post on this website featuring Jacob Tremblay and the Predator sign on set, not sure why it was removed.
Vickers they were not the box office success fox thought they would be . Prometheus did fairly well , but predators and especially alien covenant massively underperformed . All I'm saying is expect this film to be on par with them box office wise. And you can say we shouldn't rip it apart before we have seen it , but maybe fox should be more careful about leaking the entire script . .
Quote from: XENOMORPHOSIS on Feb 04, 2018, 05:52:59 PM
There was a post on this website featuring Jacob Tremblay and the Predator sign on set, not sure why it was removed.
It was just fanart so I removed it.
I wonder how much did the movie cost?
Back in June, Olivia Munn said, the Predator was big, real expensive movie.
source: https://www.mensfitness.com/life/entertainment/olivia-munn-training-battle-predator-her-amazing-unseen-x-men-fight-scene-workout
I think It's minimum US$100 million.
Plus this 3 weeks additional shooting... not a cheap thing. Plus marketing..
We need a big box office sucess. (at least Mad Max Fury Road worldwide box office numbers) Shane Black is under pressure...
Quote from: Darkoo on Feb 04, 2018, 06:31:03 PM
I wonder how much did the movie cost?
Back in June, Olivia Munn said, the Predator was big, real expensive movie.
source: https://www.mensfitness.com/life/entertainment/olivia-munn-training-battle-predator-her-amazing-unseen-x-men-fight-scene-workout (https://www.mensfitness.com/life/entertainment/olivia-munn-training-battle-predator-her-amazing-unseen-x-men-fight-scene-workout)
I think It's minimum US$100 million.
Plus this 3 weeks additional shooting... not a cheap thing. Plus marketing..
We need a big box office sucess. (at least Mad Max Fury Road worldwide box office numbers) Shane Black is under pressure...
I doubt Fox would throw $100m at a Predator movie when the last few Predator/AVP movies made an average of around $150m worldwide... It's gonna be more teh $40/50m range at most
Why then Black subscribed to this if the predators had the same budget?
Yeah it will be a bigger budget than predators , I think budget wise we are talking about the same amount alien covenant received .. And that film failed miserably but to be honest bad writing is bad writing , doesn't matter how much you throw at it , if the plot is weak , so is the film . Period . Iv said it before I'll say it again. You can't dismiss what the fans want and expect it to be a success, can you imagine the backlash from Star Wars fans , if it happened to that franchise ? We would never hear the end of it , Some things are fundamental to character design , if you go too far From the source material people will hate it on that basis alone . Predator is suppose to be mysterious, instead what we have now is a dumbed down monster movie .
Quote from: EVIL the PREDATOR on Feb 04, 2018, 08:39:58 PM
Predator is suppose to be mysterious,
Every fan has an idea of what it should be but there's only so much mystery you can have after the first film while also tapping into unmined territory in the franchise. Maybe it'd be more mysterious if you didn't read the script ahead of time?
Quoteinstead what we have now is a dumbed down monster movie .
Without spoilers, how do you figure it's dumbed down compared to the first film? What kind of sequel do you want to see that fixes this?
well look consider this Hollywood , let's not beat about the bush , the original predator plot was simple and more of a war film with sci of elements , that created an air of mystery for most of the film , the big reveal being at the end, and It worked. It was only dutch's cleverness and creativity that defeated predator. Predator was also a product of its time , with war entrenched in the American mind. I feel things of today are not that different .. what would I do differently ? Well considering the situation in the Middle East , and it being a warm climate and violent, it seems to me the perfect setting for a dark gritty predator film . Mexico also comes to mind . It's a new setting and frankly if predator was real and here today , you could bet your life that's where he would go hunting . Building of predator 2s lost tribe for me should of been the way to go . Predator 1 & 2 both established why they come here , that we are the ultimate prey and they have a code of honour , and will never break it even if it means defeat . So with out giving spoilers away , you and I both know this new film isn't following that.. that's where things fall apart . If your not going to bother pleasing the core fan base , why bother making a predator film at all ? You could still make your film , without sabotaging a beloved franchise . There are so many great story lines established by dark horse , marvel have done it with the MCU , why can't predator have some of that cake ?
Evil,yah summed it up perfectly.
Quote from: Jesscobb on Feb 04, 2018, 10:48:13 PM
Evil,yah summed it up perfectly.
Can you answer my last 2 questions then? Without spoilers, though, I'm genuinely curious as to what you mean.
Quote from: EVIL the PREDATOR on Feb 04, 2018, 10:40:37 PM
well look consider this Hollywood , let's not beat about the bush , the original predator plot was simple and more of a war film with sci of elements ,
I considered it a model "Arnold" film more than a "war" film. Its setup played it straightforward but the military conflict was not conventional for a war film. McTiernan didn't even like the way the first battle was shot with the guerillas due to the repeated static shots and explosions. Plus, could you imagine if Saving Private Ryan or Apocalypse Now had lines like "Stick Around" and "Knock, Knock"?
Quotethat created an air of mystery for most of the film , the big reveal being at the end, and It worked.
How significant is the big reveal if
the film opens with a spaceship flying by Earth? Even if it didn't, the mystery is gone as as soon as Hawkins dies, imo. We see a cloaked hand grab him by the foot and five minutes later we see the eyes flash at Mac when Blain dies. If this were truly mysterious we would have watched most of the film thinking it was a typical war film until Arnold sees the Predator for the first time after the waterfall scene. I saw this film when I was seven and understood it was a sci-fi film in the first 20 seconds, though.
QuoteIt was only dutch's cleverness and creativity that defeated predator.
I don't see how this tidbit helps your argument at all.
QuotePredator was also a product of its time , with war entrenched in the American mind. I feel things of today are not that different .. what would I do differently ? Well considering the situation in the Middle East , and it being a warm climate and violent, it seems to me the perfect setting for a dark gritty predator film . Mexico also comes to mind . It's a new setting and frankly if predator was real and here today , you could bet your life that's where he would go hunting.
You'd set the entire film in one location? Doesn't Edward James Olmos' character play a role that signifies that the predator is clearly going where conflict is present? And not in the US? Also, how does your suggestion here improve the mystery of the predator? And how does that plotline guarantee the film wouldn't be a "dumb monster movie" if not just a repetition of Predator 2? Is the location all that sets it apart?
QuoteBuilding of predator 2s lost tribe for me should of been the way to go . Predator 1 & 2 both established why they come here ,
It established why
some of them have come here. Who is to say different individuals of the same species cannot have different motivations? Are Predators hive minded? I don't read their comics, so if they are, that's surprising.
Quotethat we are the ultimate prey and they have a code of honour , and will never break it even if it means defeat . So with out giving spoilers away , you and I both know this new film isn't following that..
Predators are hive minded then? How does that make sense? And if this film deviates from their code of honor, are you saying they're coming to Earth simply to kill a bunch of people without prejudice and without reason? Is that why it's dumbed down?
Quotethat's where things fall apart . If your not going to bother pleasing the core fan base ,
The core fan base agrees each predator acts the same way? Isn't there something about berserkers in the extended lore?
Quotewhy bother making a predator film at all ?
To attract new fans to the franchise?
QuoteYou could still make your film , without sabotaging a beloved franchise .
If anything, the first movie is beloved, everything else is divisive at best and already sabotaged the first by your logic. However, imo no amount of AVP or AVP2 can ruin what is and always will be 'Predator.'
QuoteThere are so many great story lines established by dark horse , marvel have done it with the MCU , why can't predator have some of that cake ?
Which dark horse stories would you like to see that'd reestablish mystery?
I appreciate your concise opinion but nothing you said illuminated your claims of the lost opportunity for mystery nor did it shine light on how this film is reduced to a dumb monster movie.
Some of the secrets about Predators should rather be left alone, I dont want to see Predators in their bathroom, I dont want to see Predators working in factory, I dont want to see them when they sleep or something, I dont want to know too much about them or directly about their planets, why? Because I have fear that Predator as a reptyle like humanoid extraterrestial should be different than us, and honestly with everything that could a movie like this tell us about him is just made him even less interesting. I have fear that this will only made him more humanoid, more like us and our f**king society. Really, I have serious fear that they (Director, studio etc.) dont have balls big enough to create something trustfull, at least in the terms of Predator culture, their mythology or anything that could expand our idea about their lives as a whole species. First of all, they (Director, studio etc.) have problems to even establish the "classic lore" things that should be basically in every Predator movie. Classic lore things? Yes, basic yet fundamental things that should work everytime and everywhere because they are a sort of rules that define something but, to the point. . stuff like collecting skulls and whole hunting purpose will be entirely different in this new movie, its changed because now it will be explained. The whole purpose of all encounters with our extraterrestial friends is totally changed now, and its not working with the previous Predator films. . and this is problem. I dont want to go into the details, those who read the script propably know. But I think its super dissapointing, me personally. . I dont have words how sad I am. What did I say about these classic lore things that are so f**king important? If not this, than the other problem is with the whole "Code of honor" concept, it seems be will also see changes here, so Predators and their both personal and fighting behaviour will be changed here too. It would make a sense if there will be a different Predator group, clan or culture. . but again, I highly doubt that these changes will be applied only on these "Bad blood" rogue ones, I have fear that now every Predator could be a human's best friend; back to back stuff etc. Predators holding a human weapons etc. I was expecting just a pure bloody and action, sci-fi movie with serious horror smell around it. I was expecting more Predators, their new weapons and tools, new ways how to kill its prey, new muscular, testosterone actor(s) just anything based on the style of Predator 2, because in my eyes the second movie really show us how a proper continuation of this movie "idea" should look like. Of course, original Predator is and always will be the best. But I just want to point out on some major factors that made the Predator so unique, and I want also remind everyone that Predator originally meant to represent a fight between two natural enemies, thats why we call this alien hunter a "Predator". . technically its his name, but because the Predator is everytime trying to find its biggest prey, he basically ended up fighting against even bigger threat, and in the end we have a two predators fighting against each other. . in one case its against Dutch, in another against Harrigan. The film doesnt tell you who is the true predator, because every living organism have its natural predator. Its a little phoetic if we really deeply think about it. All these movies continue somehow with this idea, even the third Predators film was partially about this. . yes, of course third Predator film show us an entirely different way of hunt, different methods. . it was without any honor, but it was like that just because it was a whole movie about these different Predators. It was meant to portreit some old Predator race war or something, and it did that. . but, it didnt destroy the already established Predator franchise, and I dont know if I can say the same for the new Shane Black film, me personally. . I dont know if the leaked script was fully, I mean really fully true, and I also dont know what I feel more about this, If I feel a uge fear that this movie will be a disaster or if I feel a true excitement about an another Predator story. Thx for reading this.
I totally understand the hate, frustration of fans because of the the leaked script. We fans really care for Predator, and we are very sensitive about every changes that could mean something bad. We want a serious movie, not something between it. Every step to expand Predator universe could be risky, but it should not be painful in the first place. And some of these leaked informations are really dissapointing. Script is so crazy and over the top that I will rather forgot on it and act like it was just a bad dream, joke or something. We need a trailer ASAP after that we can say or think about ir much more.
You remind how fans were speculating what predator's net is for, invisibility or trophies? And Winston's team answered:"Ohhh we just put it there to hide mistakes " really I think fans puttinf too much thoughts into this franchise. And I was like this too, but you do need to understand that its a movie industry and predator falls into entertainment category, the director of the first movie said that its a popcorn movie. So Black goes full blast with the popcorn movie. I already said that predator never were a "citizen Kane". :)
Is the leaked script even true????
Seems funny that the only pictures we have seen are predators in a tank and the group inside a bus. Smells like a ruse to me
Hollywood did you actually read what I said without instant bias ? You can try to sound intellectual all you want but ultimately that's only possible when your not bias , I'm not going to repeat my self just to please you. If you can't see why the fans will be disappointed that's with you not me. It's like making a brand new Harry Potter movie and making Harry Potter evil , the fans would hate it . You can't go against what has been established and expect the core fan base to get behind it . Why do you think alien covenant wasn't successful? It did the same thing and diverted too far away from what people wanted. How can you act like your a true predator fan and defend these horrible blunders fox and Shane have made? How can you not know about the great work dark horse have put in that have kept the franchise going ? As for the script and the early screening reactions , I'm 90% sure they are accurate. So next time hollywood rather than trying to belittle me in front of the community , think about why we are upset , otherwise you don't come of as intelligent at all but rather someone who just wants to rub salt in the fans eyes .
He's not trying to belittle you. That was a well reasoned and put together response. It'd be appreciated if you responded in kind without resorting to insulting him.
I did respond in kind originally , I voiced an opinion I wasn't trying to argue ... Quote
It was only dutch's cleverness and creativity that defeated predator.
I don't see how this tidbit helps your argument at all.
Who's trying to make this an argument? He clearly only wants to see what he wants to see . I replied with a good response and got nowhere . If it was a good response he would of taken what I said on board , All he wanted to do was break down and nit pick at what I said . That my friend is belittling. And where did I insult the guy ?? Quote me !
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He's not dismissing you. He's addressing the issues you have. If you don't like the things he's addressing, that's your business but he's still not belittling you.
"You can try to sound intellectual all you want" perhaps more an attitude than insulting but still. We're adults here, let's behave as such. We're all here to chat about our favourite films but we all come at them from different directions.
Well to be honest I'll accept that , but at the end of day it didn't come across as very constructive, more of a I'm right your wrong sort of attitude, What I said was true and most fans would agree with me . He contradicted himself with the war film part by saying " I don't see it as a war film more of a Arnold film " then only to say if we only seen predator at the end it would be a war film .. where's the logic there ? I don't follow . Tell me hicks what is he actually contributing here other than putting other people's ideas down ? Not a lot .
Quote " I considered it a model "Arnold" film more than a "war" film. Its setup played it straightforward but the military conflict was not conventional for a war film " only to then say .. "If this were truly mysterious we would have watched most of the film thinking it was a typical war film until Arnold sees the Predator for the first time after the waterfall scene" so yeah I stand by my points . It was a form of belittling and I responded in kind . I'm sorry for that hicks .
Evil the Predator you are very catigorical about a lot of things ;) "How can you act like your a true predator fan and defend these horrible blunders fox and Shane have made?" Sir I am counting my self as a true predator fan, and don't get so irritated by the new script, yeh it is pretty stange script though.
There's no such thing as a "true fan". Different things appeal to different people, they just need to appeal to as many people as possible to be considered successful. I believe that those fans whose view of Predator is pretty much just the first film will undoubtedly hate The Predator as it's doing something so very different to that formula.
Bottom line-
No one has seen the movie it's all just guess work and assumptions let's just look forward to a New predator film I for one can't wait!!!!! Bring on the trailer!!!!!
Couldn't agree more Hicks!!
hicks you never answered my question , what was he contributing other than putting people's ideas down ? Second there are true fans of the character. I.e predator . I love the character more than all the films put together . But as I and many others have said , certain things are fundamental to character design.. I'll use my Harry Potter reference again shall I to drive the point home . If warner made a Harry Potter film and made harry evil would it be a success ? I think not . Why because it's too radically different from what has been established. Once you establish something , you can't turn your back on it , because plot holes emerge , and worst of all that character is just not the same character. When I spoke of mystery I'll touch up in what I meant . Firstly the music provoked a mysterious response , secondly we got too see very little of Kevin halls predator which also leant to the mystery, things were suggested but never truly shown till the end . That is why it worked . Predator 2 went with the same formula but with a bigger scope and while not as successful, it continued the franchise in a good way . Both films established certain qualities that were universal. And lastly why am I mad ? Because I think Stan winston would be turning in his grave , if he could see what they are doing to his vision and legacy . That's why .
people have seen the film though .. and reactions are not good .
Quotehicks you never answered my question , what was he contributing other than putting people's ideas down ?
Just to pick one -
QuoteQuoteBuilding of predator 2s lost tribe for me should of been the way to go . Predator 1 & 2 both established why they come here ,
It established why some of them have come here. Who is to say different individuals of the same species cannot have different motivations? Are Predators hive minded? I don't read their comics, so if they are, that's surprising.
Right here, he's given a valid thing. " Who is to say different individuals of the same species cannot have different motivations?" Just because his views on the film or the series don't adhere to your own, doesn't mean he's in the wrong. He's not putting you down, he's giving alternates.
QuoteSecond there are true fans of the character. I.e predator . I love the character more than all the films put together . But as I and many others have said , certain things are fundamental to character design.. I'll use my Harry Potter reference again shall I to drive the point home . If warner made a Harry Potter film and made harry evil would it be a success ? I think not . Why because it's too radically different from what has been established. Once you establish something , you can't turn your back on it ,
Again, this relates back to the above. And Harry Potter doesn't quite work - Harry Potter is an individual (and even then it could still work, depending on events that happen to Harry. We all grow and change on a personal level), the Predators are an entire species. Is every human the same or have the same motivations?
It doesn't adhere to your view of the Predator, fine. There's 100% going to be people out there who feel the same as you do. Will it be the majority of the viewership? We wont know until the film is actually released. Until then it's just noise on corners on the internet.
Personally, I view the Predator series as being incredibly versatile and you can do so much with it. It's just going to be a case of how well the actual film fits into the series and how well it's executed.
You're no more a "true fan" than I am a "true fan". Neither of us is. We're both big fans. We just have different preferences.
Quotepeople have seen the film though .. and reactions are not good .
We've had 3 public reactions. Two disliked, one really enjoyed. Of the very first test screening. It's hardly representative of the final film which is why they don't like these reactions getting out there.
Corporal Hicks, I agree with you, just was answering on Evil the Predator"s statement about how the "true fan" of predator ;D When people using this "true fan" thing for me personaly feels like a superficial feel of superiority on the N subject. "Only true fan will understrand my opinion" "You are not true fan if you ..." etc. What people cant understand that sometimes it's a fluke and luck. I love Predator, it's my favourite movie from my childhood, but I don't put it on pedestal of high art. It's amazing pop corn movie with the Heart. It got lucky with the director, producer, actors, and of course Stan Winston's team.
well we will all have to agree to disagree . My view is there is already an established character with its own mythology.. we don't need hybrid preds , we don't need predators using human weaponry , we just want a good decent film about the predator we have come to love . all I can say is I hope your right hicks and I'm wrong . I'll leave it at that .
Quote from: EVIL the PREDATOR on Feb 05, 2018, 11:07:48 AM
we don't need predators using human weaponry ,
Fun fact about this - did you know a Predator used an M16 all the way back in 1991 with the second ever Predator comic? It's actually something I quite like. Personally, I'd love to see a Predator pick up a Pulse Rifle on-screen like the old arcade game or the Peter Briggs script.
Quote from: EVIL the PREDATOR on Feb 05, 2018, 11:07:48 AM
My view is there is already an established character with its own mythology.. we don't need hybrid preds , we don't need predators using human weaponry
And that's your view on it and that is absolutely fine. Doesn't make mine wrong. Personally, I'm happy to see them expand the lore outward as long as it's done well. Doesn't make your view wrong. I just really hope the film ends up being good and something a lot of people can enjoy, I really do.
Quote from: Azat Orynbassarov on Feb 05, 2018, 11:00:23 AM
Corporal Hicks, I agree with you, just was answering on Evil the Predator"s statement about how the "true fan" of predator ;D When people using this "true fan" thing for me personaly feels like a superficial feel of superiority on the N subject. "Only true fan will understrand my opinion" "You are not true fan if you ..." etc.
I know mate, I was also replying to Evil. :) I dislike the phrase too.
hicks it's not a case of who's right and wrong . It's opinions at the end of day .. what you don't seem to muster is I actually want to be wrong here . I really mean that . But after the hype surrounding predators and the disappointment it was , the script of the predator being leaked , the departure from what's gone before my gut instincts tell me this movie will be a stinker . Only time will tell .
The first Predator had massive reshoots as well, as we all know only for the better.
FOX seems to really care this time, it's a good thing doing some stuff over instead of releasing a movie that doesn't feel right all the way through.
The Predator did have a bit of a troubled production last year though, initially the movie was supposed to wrap filming after 62 days, they didn't make that so it became 75 days, with 11 hour days. Maybe they looked at the footage and it just didn't turn out that good because of time restrictements.
EVIL,
It wasn't my intention to give off a belittling tone so I apologize if that's how you interpreted it. When people make a stand on a particular point of view, I try to quote every part of it and respond to each statement so as to not brush off aspects of the case they've built and better understand why they feel the way they do. That's why I said "I don't see how this helps your argument at all," as Dutch's cleverness was added in your response but I didn't understand its relevancy. I'm not asking you to repeat yourself, just to explain how it is relevant.
Adding to that, though, I don't see how anything you've suggested fixes elements of the mystery or proves The Predator is a "dumb monster movie". Here's why:
-'Predator' has an opening scene that lets the viewer know the film is a sci-fi film due to a spaceship flying by Earth and dropping "something" off.
-If the big reveal you're speaking of is our realization that Arnold is fighting against something outside of the norms of a grounded film, we already knew that early on into the movie.
-However, if the big reveal you're speaking of is simply the "awe" of seeing the Predator creature for the first time, then how can we fix that for a sequel? We cannot erase our knowledge or memory of what a Predator is, and your idea for a Middle East or Mexico setting cannot fix that either. I asked how a setting in Mexico or the Middle East fixes anything because I genuinely do not understand - it's not because I'm biased.
-As I asked before, are all the Predators in this film coming to Earth and killing anyone and everyone without prejudice or reason? If so, then I would agree that The Predator is being developed into a "dumb monster movie" but I doubt Shane Black would write anything that simple. Feel free to correct me if this is the case, as I have not read the script.
-Lastly, I never wanted you to "repeat" yourself, that's why I asked you many questions in my first response. I thoroughly read everything you stated and I genuinely believe your reasoning is flawed (if not, then I'd be happy if you explained it to me by answering my follow-up questions). This isn't me "rubbing salt in the wound," just trying to understand your claim when you say: "Predator is supposed to be mysterious, instead what we have now is a dumbed down monster movie."
EDIT: I'd also like to address that when I say "argument" I'm using the second definition here:
ar·gu·ment
ˈärɡyəmənt/
noun
noun: argument; plural noun: arguments
1.
an exchange of diverging or opposite views, typically a heated or angry one.
2.
a reason or set of reasons given with the aim of persuading others that an action or idea is right or wrong.
"there is a strong argument for submitting a formal appeal"
synonyms:
reasoning, justification, explanation, rationalization;
I'm not sure if we Americans use it more when presenting a stance, but in school when writing a persuasive paper, a common term that professors use is "present your argument with evidence and sources." I wasn't trying to have an angry discussion with you, "argument" has different meaning depending on the context.
Also, about your perceived contradiction in my "war film" statements: I don't see 'Predator' as a war film because it was presented as a sci-fi film early on. However, IF you take out the spaceship at the beginning, the predator vision, the vocal mimicry, the cloaked Predator and flashing eyes, the mystery might really pay off because the entire film would feel more like a war film up until maybe the waterfall scene. Just like how 'Split' is presented as a relatively grounded film before the rug is pulled from under us at the very end. However, this is not how the film was made, so I stand by my claim that 'Predator' never felt like a war film.
God only knows how much i love predator 1 & 2, but i don't use the term "true fan" personally, that would imply there are fake fans, but to me there are people who are fans and others that aren't, it's as simple as that for me ;).
Regarding the upcoming movie, i'm for expanding the mythos and for new ideas as long as the execution is good and it don't feel cheesy. I trust Shane Black can pull it off, even though i don't think it will be flawless. I do think it will be entertaining, clever in some ways regarding some of the existing mythos, and sometimes maybe over the top regarding other stuff, but i'd rather see that than a bland, forgettable movie that it could have been.
It's okay Hollywood I was kind of in a bad mood anyway so I do apologise , but look it's sort of hard to tell you why I don't like this new film without giving away spoilers , I appreciate that you don't want to ruin it , so I won't spoil it , we can talk after we both have seen it instead maybe ? Just for me I feel the plot and treatment of the aliens is weak .
Perhaps the word mysterious is the wrong word , what I was trying to say was like the original alien film by Ridley , Predator is suggested and hinted at , this gives the viewer who hasn't seen it before a sense of paranoia but also wonder as to what this thing actually is . Of course by the end of the film
He is exposed in all his glory and the illusion is gone, I was just commenting on why I felt the first film was a success. As for the setting , I was highlighting that 1&2 had a backdrop of human conflict going on , and I believed if it was set in current times the Middle East or Mexico would seem suitable . But I also think dropping a predator into the theatre of ww2 would work as well, or as I said taking a few pages out of the comics as there is some great story lines in there !! I'm not a blockbuster writer at the end of the day , I'm just a young guy who loves the "character" predator. And I just want to see a decent film get made before the franchise is screwed and done for because
People have been to often than not disappointed 😔
Re-shoots don't "mean" anything one way or the other. Standard protocol.
I just wish this film was Blade Runner-sequel-esque vs. all this rigamorale.
Hollywood Dutch is relevant in the sense of predator took out his entire spec ops team and nearly Dutch too , that's to imply that predator is very difficult to kill . You have to keep the momentum going, they should be close to invincible. When this new film comes out you will understand why I'm disappointed.
Quote from: Johnny Handsome on Feb 05, 2018, 12:34:31 PM
The first Predator had massive reshoots as well, as we all know only for the better.
The first Predator's reshoots were because the original creature design sucked, so they went and got Stan Winston.
This looks like Alien 3 type situation, where test audiences complain about stuff, so they go back and reshoot scenes.
Quote from: EVIL the PREDATOR on Feb 05, 2018, 09:49:05 PM
Hollywood Dutch is relevant in the sense of predator took out his entire spec ops team and nearly Dutch too , that's to imply that predator is very difficult to kill . You have to keep the momentum going, they should be close to invincible. When this new film comes out you will understand why I'm disappointed.
End of the day it was a simple falling log that did him in, and not even the intended way Dutch originally planned. I'm sure a 9mm pistol isn't going to be what kills Predators in this one but I guess we will see.
Quote from: Scorpio on Feb 06, 2018, 06:28:56 AM
Quote from: Johnny Handsome on Feb 05, 2018, 12:34:31 PM
The first Predator had massive reshoots as well, as we all know only for the better.
The first Predator's reshoots were because the original creature design sucked, so they went and got Stan Winston.
This looks like Alien 3 type situation, where test audiences complain about stuff, so they go back and reshoot scenes.
Alien 3's script had gone through draft after draft as screenwriters and directors were hired and left. This caused a rushed production to meet Fox's spring '92 deadline. Plus huge sets had already been built, all based on the obsolete draft of the script. When filming commenced in January 1991, the pages were still being rewritten with scenes crafted so they could take place in the set-pieces that had already been built. Script changes were done on an almost daily basis and EXTENSIVE reshoots were done.
The Predator is reshooting for 2 weeks.
every single movie has reshoots its perfectly normal to have them. so nothing to worry about :D
Hollywood it was a falling log Dutch had placed there as a trap !!
Again you are nit picking at what I'm saying and twisting it . I said it was Dutchs creativity that killed predator not his strength . Seriously dude 😒
Quote from: EVIL the PREDATOR on Feb 06, 2018, 03:36:56 PM
Hollywood it was a falling log Dutch had placed there as a trap !!
I know he placed it there but the log acted as a counterweight for his
intended spike trap. He improvised when the Predator went around his trap and stood under the log.
Quote from: EVIL the PREDATOR on Feb 06, 2018, 03:38:57 PM
Again you are nit picking at what I'm saying and twisting it . I said it was Dutchs creativity that killed predator not his strength . Seriously dude 😒
A: I'm not twisting anything you're saying, I'm directly quoting you and answering what you're saying with basic logic.
B: Dutch's creativity is still not relevant to your claim that the original was mysterious and The Predator is now a dumb monster movie. What is your definition of a dumb monster movie anyway?
C: you said "Hollywood Dutch is relevant in the sense of predator took out his entire spec ops team and nearly Dutch too , that's to imply that predator is very difficult to kill . You have to keep the momentum going, they should be close to invincible."
This implies each team member stood any chance against the Predator at all. They knew nothing about it and thus were sitting ducks. In the end, the entire spec ops team was killed while Dutch's opportunity for a hard, blunt impact killed the Predator. That doesn't make the Predator easy to kill, but it makes it indeed possible, especially for someone else who may have intelligence of what they are and sees an opportunity to apply tactical force equal to or greater than a falling log. Or are Predators being killed in The Predator with 9mm pistols or something?
Just forget it Hollywood evil said the movie is dumb so it must be.
I'm not sure why evil wants to ruin the excitement for everyone maybe he just goes around different sites being the ultimate buzz kill or maybe he has a real small................. And is compensating for something.
If you've read the script shut up cause I don't want to hear about it anyway it's hard to take serious anyone that's dumb enough in the first place to read it. Just saying!!!
The last time I checked this site has always been a place to talk opinions and have a say . What a bunch of morons you are both going to look like when everything iv said proves to be true . What? has this site been reduced to tyranny and you can't say things or how you feel without offending ? Seriously if you don't like what I'm saying , don't bother reading it .. grow up seriously 😒
just saying
I still have concerns with some of the ideas in the leaked script however I'm still excited to see how it turns out and how Black executes the movie. I just want to see the trailer ASAP so we can see the look and vibe of the movie.
Comeon folk, I hate having to remind you you're supposed to be adults.
also Hollywood you say it doesn't help my case that predator is mysterious. Yet it's funny how you only quote the parts that suit your case . I said the original predator like the original alien was suggested and teased through most of the film creating an air of mystery and wonder, it's an old ploy horror films have used for donkeys years and it almost always works . What do I define as a dumbed down monster movie ? Ok 👌 well I'll explain shall I ? Jurassic park is the perfect example , 1, 2 & 3 kept the dinosaurs designs as close to the current day of the time scientific consensus of what a dinosaur actually looks like , we all know now dinosaurs didn't look scaly and bald but in fact were more like giant birds with feathers , then Jurassic world comes out and scraps the trend of the first three with keeping too the scientific consensus , and so become a dumbed down monster movie, about monsters and not dinosaurs . That is what I mean by dumbed down . As I have said on many occasions now , you can't dismiss what has been established and I think it's going to work . How can I tell you why the predator is disappointing without spoiling it for you ? So next time you quote me , don't just nit pick the parts that suit you quote everything iv said . Or don't bother at all .
Hollywood I suggest you read this about the original film , it basically makes clear everything iv said as being accurate and true .. even going as far as talking about how it opens up as a standard dirty dozen styled military film..
https://screenplayscripts.com/deaths-in-predator/
Quote from: EVIL the PREDATOR on Feb 06, 2018, 06:03:05 PM
The last time I checked this site has always been a place to talk opinions and have a say . What a bunch of morons you are both going to look like when everything iv said proves to be true . What? has this site been reduced to tyranny and you can't say things or how you feel without offending ? Seriously if you don't like what I'm saying , don't bother reading it .. grow up seriously 😒
just saying
I welcome your opinion but you're making broad statements and I'm simply asking for specificity to better understand your reasoning. I'm not nit picking nor twisting your words, just trying to better understand them.
Here's a quote ... " This marked shift in the rate of deaths matches the change in the genre of the film. PREDATOR opens as a military movie, a DIRTY DOZEN-style romp of men on a mission, in which the antagonists are faceless cannon fodder, falling like dominos before our heroes' superior combat prowess. Around the forty minute mark, however, PREDATOR metamorphoses into a reworking of TEN LITTLE INDIANS, as Schwarzenegger and his men realise they are being hunted " it then goes on to say ...
"The loss of each subsequent character is much more deliberately marked, even pored over, as the menace of the big bad is built up and reinforced before the final showdown. Finally, once we are left with just Schwarzenegger and the Predator, the film becomes a cat and mouse game between technology and resourcefulness" and finally ....
" McTernan's directorial sleight of hand matches the film's own themes of invisibility and camouflage. This keeps the audience guessing as to the true nature of the enemy, in similar fashion to the invisible shark of the first two acts of JAWS, or the largely unseen xenomorph of ALIEN. This also means that the rather outlandish premise (an alien hunter comes to Earth for sport) is drip-fed to us, first with the infrared and the mimicry, gradually revealing elements of the Predator character leading up to the final unmasking "
So I finally rest my case for good .. it wasn't my opinion it is simply fact Hollywood .
Evil the Predator why you are so agressive to Hollywood? Greygoose did disrespect you, but Hollywood just having a non agressive debate with you. Earlier Corporal Hicks tryed to tell you that it's okay to have your own opinion, and it's no right or wrong things. On which you answered with "hicks it's not a case of who's right and wrong". But later you answered to the guys with "What a bunch of morons you are both going to look like when everything iv said proves to be true" which really implying that you do separate opinions on right and wrong. You are prety categorical, and not open minded about the possibilities of different routs which PREDATOR'S universe can go. And it's exactly the reason people debate with you in this coment section. If the leaked script actual true, then yeh Black did chose a strange route, but I still hope something good will come out of this movie, especially after AVP AVPR and Predators. I am not trying to be mean, so don't take it in the wrong way. ;)
Azat Orynbassarov... why am I annoyed with Hollywood ? Because what I'm talking about is facts not opinions, you will have to read it all from the very beginning to see why I feel that everytime I voice myself it's twisted by Hollywood ..
As it happens I found a great article that clears up what I was originally talking about.. you should definitely read it .
Quote from: Azat Orynbassarov on Feb 06, 2018, 07:29:07 PM
Greygoose did disrespect you
What...
Mine was just a post unrelated to the current conversation.
Quote from: EVIL the PREDATOR on Feb 06, 2018, 06:44:15 PM
also Hollywood you say it doesn't help my case that predator is mysterious.
Not at all what I said.
QuoteYet it's funny how you only quote the parts that suit your case .
I've quoted every sentence of your posts though, did I miss some? If I did I didn't intend to at all but I'm looking back now and I didn't leave anything out.
QuoteI said the original predator like the original alien was suggested and teased through most of the film creating an air of mystery and wonder, it's an old ploy horror films have used for donkeys years and it almost always works .
I addressed this by asking you how we fix this for a sequel if we already know what the Predator creature is/looks like. Even 'Aliens' recognizes that you cant make the creature a mystery the whole film because we already saw the first film. Also, how does your suggestion of fixing this by setting the film in Mexico or the Middle East help?
QuoteWhat do I define as a dumbed down monster movie ? Ok 👌 well I'll explain shall I ? Jurassic park is the perfect example , 1, 2 & 3 kept the dinosaurs designs as close to the current day of the time scientific consensus of what a dinosaur actually looks like , we all know now dinosaurs didn't look scaly and bald but in fact were more like giant birds with feathers , then Jurassic world comes out and scraps the trend of the first three with keeping too the scientific consensus , and so become a dumbed down monster movie, about monsters and not dinosaurs . That is what I mean by dumbed down .
Sorry for not simply guessing your clear line of thought there and having the audacity to ask what you meant by "dumb monster movie." Honestly, if that tidbit from Jurassic World ruined the film for you then you are actually the one nitpicking. The film had issues outside of "these aren't actually dinosaurs." Something like that wouldn't hang me up on the film but I can see why you'll hate The Predator if that's a major issue for you. All in all, exploring the franchise universe does not simply make it "dumb" just because it changes what we know prior. Did the introduction of an Alien Queen reduce 'Aliens' to a dumb monster movie? I'd disagree with that sentiment.
QuoteAs I have said on many occasions now , you can't dismiss what has been established and I think it's going to work .
Very little about the Predator species has been established on film imo and can be explored well outside a standard hunt plot.
QuoteHow can I tell you why the predator is disappointing without spoiling it for you ?
By saying they're killed in ways that contradict the logic of prior films, or saying there are clear irredeemable contradictions in the franchise thanks to ideas in The Predator.
QuoteSo next time you quote me , don't just nit pick the parts that suit you quote everything iv said . Or don't bother at all .
I quoted everything you've said, I think you're defensive because I've asked for elaboration on your broad statements.
You are now fundamentally lying now, yes you did say that ,Quote from Hollywood
"B: Dutch's creativity is still not relevant to your claim that the original was mysterious and The Predator is now a dumb monster movie. What is your definition of a dumb monster movie anyway?
All you have been banging on about is how is predator mysterious , iv explained myself and I have also posted links to support my claims .
Greygoose sorry my friend, I wrote the wrong name :-[ I was talking about Thedutchpredator. Abd yes I agree with you, cant eait for the trailer :)
Quote from: EVIL the PREDATOR on Feb 06, 2018, 08:33:03 PM
You are now fundamentally lying now, yes you did say that ,Quote from Hollywood
"B: Dutch's creativity is still not relevant to your claim that the original was mysterious and The Predator is now a dumb monster movie. What is your definition of a dumb monster movie anyway?
If that's your takeaway then you're not comprehending my clear statement. Your claim is that Predator is mysterious. I disagree within the confines of knowing it was a sci-fi film from the opening scene, and not a war film. You cannot support your claim by talking about Dutch being clever. I state wholeheartedly, that Dutch's cleverness is irrelevant to your claim that the Predator is mysterious. Now you're saying my stance is "it doesn't help your case that the Predator is mysterious" which makes no sense because that's your claim in the first place, a claim I disagree with unless you're talking about the look of the creature itself, which can only be a mystery once.
QuoteAll you have been banging on about is how is predator mysterious , iv explained myself and I have also posted links to support my claims .
Your link states "PREDATOR opens as a military movie, a DIRTY DOZEN-style romp of men on a mission" when in actuality it opens with a space ship flying by earth. My stance is that the concept of what the Predator "is" is revealed early on and so are its intentions. We know early on that the film isn't a standard war film and we also know the team is being hunted after the scene where Blain's body is taken and the group says "it's killing us one at a time" "like a hunter." After that, the mystery falls into who will die and what does the Predator look like? We cannot duplicate the feeling of not knowing what the Predator is/looked like, so when you say "The Predator is supposed to by mysterious," I ask, is a sequel at all possible within those confines? If so, how?
Hollywood you see things alot different from most of us , it seems to me that you clearly have your own ideas , and no amount of reasoning is good enough for you . Predator has been analysed many times , on why it was a success, Am I or all those people wrong just because you say so ? The point is I'm done talking to you Hollywood . I don't need to be put under a microscope constantly just to express myself . I was talking about why I feel the first was a success , why I feel the predator's plot is weak and could of been better , and how a new sequel should of gone with what predator 1&2 had established. Go on to reddit and see the overwhelming negative reactions , go on YouTube look around , are we all wrong just because you say so ? No I don't think so somehow. If predator wasn't mysterious to you fine, for most of us it was , are there certain qualities to predator like a code of honour that are universal ? Yes to most of us there are . is a mutated hybrid predator to most of still even an alien ? No to most of us that's a Frankenstein monster . I'm done with you Hollywood. You are constantly just trying to argue with me and I really don't see the point , what are you contributing here other than being a critic of others ?
At least I have ideas , put someone else under a microscope. Preferably yourself ! It was just my opinion at the end of the day . It just happens that my opinion is in line with most people's when it comes to the predator.
Sorry for the long post, everyone, I tried trimming it down :/
Quote from: EVIL the PREDATOR on Feb 06, 2018, 10:20:50 PMHollywood you see things alot different from most of us , it seems to me that you clearly have your own ideas
How can you say that when you've compared the Predator species on a whole to Harry Potter (an individual) and misinterpreted several things up and down this thread such as your perception that I'm attacking you?
Quote...and no amount of reasoning is good enough for you .
It's only because you've put together a poor case. I'm trying to understand your reasoning but it's a lot of fluff with no convincing logic.
QuotePredator has been analysed many times , on why it was a success,
I never claimed it wasn't a success. My stance is the success of 'The Predator' cannot rely on mystery because we already know what the predator is and looks like thanks to the original.
QuoteAm I or all those people wrong just because you say so ?
Wrong about the predator being a success? I never said it wasn't a success. Am I wrong in saying audiences paying attention to the first 20 seconds would know an extraterrestrial was featured in the film before Hawkins even dies?
QuoteThe point is I'm done talking to you Hollywood .
How can you be done with me if you haven't answered my simple questions? You never really started with me. You haven't come close to answering:
1. If "predator is supposed to by mysterious," how do you reestablish mystery into the franchise with a sequel? Don't say by setting the sequel in the middle east or Mexico, as you answered with this before and it makes no sense.
2. What does Dutch's ingenuity have to do with your perceived mystery of 'Predator' and/or your stance that 'The Predator' is a dumb monster movie? Don't say it's because it implies that the predator is hard to kill because you said that before and it doesn't answer the question I raised.
3. How significant is the mystery/reveal at the end of the film if the movie opens with a spaceship flying by earth? You've been ignoring this fact.
4. Doesn't Edward James Olmos' character suggest that predators in 'The Predator' are indeed going to where there's conflict? Or heck, even the fact that the main characters are combatants? What's the issue with them not going to Mexico or the middle east (as you've suggested) then?
5. Who is to say different individuals of the same species cannot have different motivations? Are Predators hive minded? If they are,
it hasn't been established at all. Are you saying the many fans who enjoy the comics involving berserker predators are wrong since these berserkers have no honor code? What about the many story lines in the extended universe involving predators teaming up with humans? Do you ignore these ideas simply because they don't line up with your equating the entire predator species to Harry Potter in terms of character(s) action and restricting what they're allowed to do as individuals?
6. You said "There are so many great story lines established by dark horse , why can't predator have some of that cake ?" and I asked which dark horse stories would you like to see that'd reestablish mystery? I think this is a valid question and not a "nitpick," as you've reduced it to.
7. Does the script indicate predators are being killed with 9mm pistols or something? If so, I'd be disappointed just like you with how easily they're killed, but I doubt this is remotely in the ballpark of what happens in the script.
QuoteI don't need to be put under a microscope constantly just to express myself .
You don't need a microscope to see it's reasonable for individual predators to have different motivation from prior predators nor do you need one to see that the mystery of the predator is gone after you see the first film.
QuoteI was talking about why I feel the first was a success , why I feel the predator's plot is weak and could of been better , and how a new sequel should of gone with what predator 1&2 had established.
That wouldn't make the sequel mysterious, which is what you said the predator is supposed to be.
QuoteGo on to reddit and see the overwhelming negative reactions , go on YouTube look around , are we all wrong just because you say so ? No I don't think so somehow.
The rumblings through the internet are not quantified as far as I can tell, but people who have an issue with something are more likely to voice their opinion than those who are content.
QuoteIf predator wasn't mysterious to you fine, for most of us it was
It's great how we can perceive movies differently, but please answer how a sequel can have the same effect. I've politely asked multiple times and you haven't hinted at any solution that makes sense. It seems like a sequel is downright impossible with your given criteria.
Quoteare there certain qualities to predator like a code of honour that are universal ? Yes to most of us there are .
How do you know these qualities are universal and cannot be deviated from no matter the situation? Why look at the species in such a simplistic, surface-level manner? You do know that not even writers of popular Predator comics restrict themselves to your way of thinking, right?
Quoteis a mutated hybrid predator to most of still even an alien ? No to most of us that's a Frankenstein monster .
That doesn't make the movie a "dumb monster movie." If new ideas were strictly forbidden, you'd never get a protagonist Terminator nor would you get a liquid metal Terminator. By your logic, 'Terminator' established the machines are each hellbent on destroying mankind, yet T2 begs to differ (and was an awesome movie).
QuoteI'm done with you Hollywood. You are constantly just trying to argue with me and I really don't see the point ,
My intention is to simply discuss how we perceive predator and the overall franchise; it's not my fault you're taking this personally and conveniently dismissing my valid points and questions as "nitpicks" and "bias."
Quotewhat are you contributing here other than being a critic of others ?
That's already been answered for you and I'm not criticizing you or others (what others?) so much as I'm comparing your stance with my own and cultivating a discussion of our differing views. That's what happens on a discussion board.
QuoteAt least I have ideas ,
Can you elaborate on them because I asked you to and all you've done is taken offense and given unclear reasoning as to why your ideas are better than Shane Black's when it comes to reestablishing mystery into the franchise and keeping it from being a "dumb monster movie."
Quoteput someone else under a microscope. Preferably yourself !
You don't need to worry about my actions on this forum, I'm not breaking any rules and I'm at least being polite.
QuoteIt was just my opinion at the end of the day . It just happens that my opinion is in line with most people's when it comes to the predator.
Most people agree with you that the entire predator species should each have the same invariable motivation despite popular extended lore stating the contrary with berserkers and predators teaming up with humans? They also agree with you that this film is a dumb monster movie in the same vein as Jurassic World? That's a bold claim.
I told you I'm done talking to you Hollywood . We are we are never going to agree . I see no reaso to carry on this discussion . I never said the way Dutch kills predator was mysterious . I said it was down to dutch's creativity that killed it not his strength , you are mixing my comments up and twisting what I said . I said predator is supposed to be mysterious. I stand by that . Predator 2 followed in that same vain . Like the lost tribe at the end , with mysterious music playing , the flint lock from the 1700s , the bone trophies etc . Things are suggested but never truly explained , that is mysterious . And tbh why couldn't that be done again ? You might not have the talent to make it work that doesn't mean someone else couldn't .You m I'm not a screen writer , I'm a fan . I was merely pitching ideas I'd like to see made ( am I not allowed to do that without living up to your standards ? ) as for super predators .. Most fans hated the concept in predators . It was a truly awful excuse of a film . Yet had huge hype. We don't need bigger. Bigger doesn't always mean better . I didn't compare predator to Harry potter at all , again you are twisting what I said to support your case . I was using it as an example , Harry is good making him evil wouldn't work , I.e making predator good when he is bad is a stupid idea . I don't want a super hero pred , the stan winston Classic is perfectly fine as he is . If it ain't broke and all that .. And lastly jaws worked in the same formula and here's where your logic falls apart , we all know what a shark looks like , yet the shark is suggested . Why ? Because it creates mystery and tension for the viewer . Less is more .
I never said you thought it wasn't a success, I was talking about why and how it was a success , there's a big difference there . It's your logic that makes no sense my friend . Chow!
P.s I apologise for my bad grammar , my phone is being really slow today :/
Evil the Predator, Hollywood isn't trying to twist your words, he is just having a debate, he is trying to understand your position and using logic, asking you different type of question to get your point straight, it's normal tactic to have a debate. To be honest Hollywood making a lot of normal and logical question on which you acting very defensive. "Things are suggested but never truly explained , that is mysterious . And tbh why couldn't that be done again ?" because the general rule of a good movie is that you need to expand, not repeat the same old ideas, you need to create something new every time(of course not everybody doing it, and mostly we see repeats of old good stuff, but in this case you just can stuck in one place). Black experementing and trying to go somewhere new with the univerese we have, and to be honest, the last good predator movie for me was Predator 2 in 1990, so we already had nothing good about predator for the last 28 years (my opinion). The thing is I see Hollywood logic, and I see flaws in your position, on which Hollywood trying to point, but you instead of answering and getting the point, fighting back and being defensive. And man again I am not trying to be mean or agressive, and sorry that getting into your debate with Hollywood, just puting my my two cents ;) Sorry for my English guys ;D
i always saw the Predator as a movie monster like Dracula, Frankenstein, and the Wolf-man. Certain movie monsters become classic because of where they draw themselves from the human psyche. Hunting has it's own romanticism and frightening aspects because hunting was a big part of our history over the past 3 million years. Come face to face with death, and if you win the dance then you can walk away with a trophy.
Im guessing the re-shoots might be them trying to add dutch into the movie so having Arnold's name attached will help sell it. Ive been hearing lots of rumors like rated R movies don't do well so they added more comedy to make more money like Thor Ragnarok.
Someone mentioned that the nice guys was 1 of Shane Blacks better movies and if the director can recapture some of that magic, the predator could work? I never saw the nice guys so someone else would know if that's true.
Trying to remain positive but if the movie isn't what i wanted, i'm not throwing away my NECA collection over it.
Well since evil bought up ideas I would like to see more cross overs such as pred v iron man or the classic comic batman v pred. Not just for the the box office dollars it would make a great action film and would certainly grab more fans for this great franchise.
What if the predator came to earth in search of Dutch and found him but instead of Dutch it was the terminator cause you know they look the same. Great movie right there easy done
Quotebut if the movie isn't what i wanted, i'm not throwing away my NECA collection over it.
Exactly how I feel, If it turns out not so great. We'll always have PREDATOR, PREDATOR 2 and PREDATORS. That'll never change, even if Disney decides to shelve the franchise.
Just trying to change the subject abit. Cheer up boys with have another movie coming
JungleHunter87 totally agree with you man! Nobody going to take away our old favourite Predator movies ;D
Quote from: Thedutchpredator on Feb 07, 2018, 06:44:13 AM
Just trying to change the subject abit. Cheer up boys with have another movie coming
I agree wholeheartedly! We haven't seen one reel of footage. Calm down people, I think we're in good hands with Shane Black, Larry Fong, ADI and Co. . Gotta have a little faith, i'm confident it will be worth it.
Amen
Quote from: mythology on Feb 07, 2018, 06:28:52 AM
Someone mentioned that the nice guys was 1 of Shane Blacks better movies and if the director can recapture some of that magic, the predator could work? I never saw the nice guys so someone else would know if that's true.
Trying to remain positive but if the movie isn't what i wanted, i'm not throwing away my NECA collection over it.
I enjoyed The Nice Guys. Gosling and Crowe were great and the girl actor too. Was hoping Black would have cast Gosling in his Predator.
Thedutchpredator ..... I would go and watch a dead end batman vs predator any day of the week. Eat my money dude
Quote from: EVIL the PREDATOR on Feb 07, 2018, 05:28:41 AM
I told you I'm done talking to you Hollywood . I see no reaso to carry on this discussion .
I would have believed you, yet here we are.
QuoteI never said the way Dutch kills predator was mysterious . I said it was down to dutch's creativity that killed it not his strength , you are mixing my comments up and twisting what I said
You used this notion to support your original claim though. Then you said "Hollywood Dutch is relevant in the sense of predator took out his entire spec ops team" after I said I don't see how it's relevant to the mystery of the Predator or your claim that The Predator is a dumb monster movie. I'm not mixing anything up, you're just not following your own argument.
QuoteI said predator is supposed to be mysterious. I stand by that . Predator 2 followed in that same vain . Like the lost tribe at the end , with mysterious music playing , the flint lock from the 1700s , the bone trophies etc . Things are suggested but never truly explained , that is mysterious . And tbh why couldn't that be done again ?
I doubt when you read the script it adamantly states that no mysterious music will be playing throughout the film. And Predator 2 actually had plenty of exposition and trusted the viewer to know exactly what the Predator was from the first scene. Also, when Keyes explains their operation to Harrigan it gives away much of this supposed mystery. Ultimately, it proves that humans know about the predators, and if the human characters know about them, so should the audience. If all this development of mystery were really important to you, I don't understand why you read the script.
QuoteYou might not have the talent to make it work that doesn't mean someone else couldn't .You m I'm not a screen writer , I'm a fan . I was merely pitching ideas I'd like to see made ( am I not allowed to do that without living up to your standards ? )
My standards? I asked you how changing the setting helps the mystery of the film. That's not a standard your idea has to live up to, that's just me asking you to properly explain your idea.
Quoteas for super predators .. Most fans hated the concept in predators . It was a truly awful excuse of a film . Yet had huge hype. We don't need bigger. Bigger doesn't always mean better . I didn't compare predator to Harry potter at all , again you are twisting what I said to support your case . I was using it as an example , Harry is good making him evil wouldn't work , I.e making predator good when he is bad is a stupid idea . I don't want a super hero pred , the stan winston Classic is perfectly fine as he is
I'll just let that speak for itself. .
QuoteIf it ain't broke and all that ..
So you think 'Terminator 2' is a poor film? And 'Aliens'?
QuoteAnd lastly jaws worked in the same formula and here's where your logic falls apart , we all know what a shark looks like , yet the shark is suggested . Why ? Because it creates mystery and tension for the viewer . Less is more .
So you're saying most fans agree with you in wanting to see less of the Predator than is implied in Black's script? Jaws worked well because people have never seen a killer shark placed into film in a terrifying, somewhat plausible story. The sequels tried doing the same thing but it cannot have the same success because the first one already did that. Why do you think no other shark movie can have the same type of success? Because Jaws already did that and no one wants a remake of it just like no one wants a remake of Predator.
What original claim is that ? I said predator is supposed to be mysterious, not a dumbed down monster movie . You asked me to explain , and I tried to . How has me talking about how tough predator should be to kill got anything to do with that ? When I was referring to the new script and how easy they get killed off ? I was supporting my case that a new sequel should follow what has been established . You see this is where you constantly and consistently contradict yourself . You said to me " Hollywood Posted 2 days ago
EVIL,
It wasn't my intention to give off a belittling tone so I apologize if that's how you interpreted it. When people make a stand on a particular point of view, I try to quote every part of it and respond to each statement so as to not brush off aspects of the case they've built and better understand why they feel the way they do. That's why I said "I don't see how this helps your argument at all," as Dutch's cleverness was added in your response but I didn't understand its relevancy. I'm not asking you to repeat yourself, just to explain how it is relevant.
Adding to that, though, I don't see how anything you've suggested fixes elements of the mystery or proves The Predator is a "dumb monster movie". Here's why:
-'Predator' has an opening scene that lets the viewer know the film is a sci-fi film due to a spaceship flying by Earth and dropping "something" off.
-If the big reveal you're speaking of is our realization that Arnold is fighting against something outside of the norms of a grounded film, we already knew that early on into the movie.
-However, if the big reveal you're speaking of is simply the "awe" of seeing the Predator creature for the first time, then how can we fix that for a sequel? We cannot erase our knowledge or memory of what a Predator is, and your idea for a Middle East or Mexico setting cannot fix that either. I asked how a setting in Mexico or the Middle East fixes anything because I genuinely do not understand - it's not because I'm biased.
-As I asked before, are all the Predators in this film coming to Earth and killing anyone and everyone without prejudice or reason? If so, then I would agree that The Predator is being developed into a "dumb monster movie" but I doubt Shane Black would write anything that simple. Feel free to correct me if this is the case, as I have not read the script." I had more than verified without spoilers that this is the case , that there are some seriously bad script writing on this film and that the predators are becoming too human and too much like cannon fodder . Also going back to mystery , if predator isn't supposed to be mysterious as you imply, then why would Shane black say that himself ? He's already gone on record to say this film will be a noir/mystery thriller . Then the script was leaked and seemed to contradict these claims . You have to separate black from fox. Black is directing the film he didn't write it . As it happens the screen writer hated the first predator and has gone on record saying that . He also penned the new robocop and that didn't turn out to well either . My only hope for this film is black . He didn't write it and has to work with what he has . It's not Shane black I'm disappointed in , its ultimately fox . My original claim was about this new movie , I was using the original predator and predator 2 as a point of reference.
Try not to mix my quotes with yours, please. Everything in green is what I have said previously:
Quote from: EVIL the PREDATOR on Feb 07, 2018, 02:18:14 PM
What original claim is that ? I said predator is supposed to be mysterious, not a dumbed down monster movie . You asked me to explain , and I tried to . How has me talking about how tough predator should be to kill got anything to do with that ? When I was referring to the new script and how easy they get killed off ? I was supporting my case that a new sequel should follow what has been established . You see this is where you constantly and consistently contradict yourself . You said to me " Hollywood Posted 2 days ago
EVIL,
It wasn't my intention to give off a belittling tone so I apologize if that's how you interpreted it. When people make a stand on a particular point of view, I try to quote every part of it and respond to each statement so as to not brush off aspects of the case they've built and better understand why they feel the way they do. That's why I said "I don't see how this helps your argument at all," as Dutch's cleverness was added in your response but I didn't understand its relevancy. I'm not asking you to repeat yourself, just to explain how it is relevant.
Adding to that, though, I don't see how anything you've suggested fixes elements of the mystery or proves The Predator is a "dumb monster movie". Here's why:
-'Predator' has an opening scene that lets the viewer know the film is a sci-fi film due to a spaceship flying by Earth and dropping "something" off.
-If the big reveal you're speaking of is our realization that Arnold is fighting against something outside of the norms of a grounded film, we already knew that early on into the movie.
-However, if the big reveal you're speaking of is simply the "awe" of seeing the Predator creature for the first time, then how can we fix that for a sequel? We cannot erase our knowledge or memory of what a Predator is, and your idea for a Middle East or Mexico setting cannot fix that either. I asked how a setting in Mexico or the Middle East fixes anything because I genuinely do not understand - it's not because I'm biased.
-As I asked before, are all the Predators in this film coming to Earth and killing anyone and everyone without prejudice or reason? If so, then I would agree that The Predator is being developed into a "dumb monster movie" but I doubt Shane Black would write anything that simple. Feel free to correct me if this is the case, as I have not read the script."
I had more than verified without spoilers that this is the case ,
No, you did not say that the predators are killing people without prejudice or reason. If that's your stance, I doubt anyone else who has read the script would agree and add that the script makes no sense when it comes to the motivations of antagonists and protagonists.
Quotethat there are some seriously bad script writing on this film and that the predators are becoming too human and too much like cannon fodder .
I doubt they're disposed of in ways that contradict their abilities in previous movies.
QuoteAlso going back to mystery , if predator isn't supposed to be mysterious as you imply,
I didn't say it wasn't
supposed to be mysterious, my stance is that it simply isn't that mysterious. We understand what they are, what they do, what attracts them to earth, and we understand their customs.
Quotethen why would Shane black say that himself ? He's already gone on record to say this film will be a noir/mystery thriller . Then the script was leaked and seemed to contradict these claims .
Perhaps you're reading details that are kept in the shadows on film and the mystery involves keeping certain characters or creatures that we haven't seen before mysterious. How old is the script you've read anyways?
QuoteYou have to separate black from fox. Black is directing the film he didn't write it .
I remember a audio quote from Dekker stating he AND Black were writing the script and bouncing ideas off of each other. You're misinformed and we've had no news of studio interference.
QuoteAs it happens the screen writer hated the first predator and has gone on record saying that .
He said he wasn't "the biggest fan that Shane was" which is grammatically incorrect and could mean 2 very different things depending on what he meant when he misspoke. It doesn't surprise me that some people would get hung up on it and allow it to be translated to "Dekker hated the predator!" That doesn't mean he wants to sabotage the franchise.
QuoteHe also penned the new robocop and that didn't turn out to well either .
It's debatable if the writing of that was the issue or the execution of the film itself. Also, it was a remake, which is already a step in the wrong direction and not the writer's fault.
QuoteMy only hope for this film is black . He didn't write it and has to work with what he has . It's not Shane black I'm disappointed in , its ultimately fox . My original claim was about this new movie , I was using the original predator and predator 2 as a point of reference.
Shane Black is making the film that he wants to make - we've had no indication that this isn't the case.
Do you hate 'Terminator 2' and 'Aliens' for introducing new ideas in their franchises?
Damn ! You guys are still going :laugh:
Quote from: BigDaddyJohn on Feb 07, 2018, 02:53:58 PM
Damn ! You guys are still going :laugh:
Lol it doesn't feel like I'm writing that much and then I hit "post" and I'm like damn that's a lot of words :laugh:
Quote " I didn't say it wasn't supposed to be mysterious, my stance is that it simply isn't that mysterious. We understand what they are, what they do, what attracts them to earth, and we understand their customs.
So if you now agree with me that predator is somewhat mysterious why have you been arguing with me for 3 days to explain myself on why predator is mysterious? If you are now saying we all know what a predator is , and why they come here , what extracts them to earth and their customs . That's to say yes there is culture to predators . And I was saying the sequel should follow on from that . .. Yet Yesterday you said
"It established why some of them have come here. Who is to say different individuals of the same species cannot have different motivations? Are Predators hive minded? I don't read their comics, so if they are, that's surprising."
A predator could be a gay prostitute , a predator could work at a dry cleaners , a predator could be a clown , do we want to see that ? Hell no . And an example would be spiderman picks up guns and starts killing people , there are many spidermen not just peter . But even then they could do it sure , but would it work ? Hell no .
You say don't read the script , and normally I wouldn't but iv been left too disappointed too many times , predators script was leaked I didn't read it and was extremely disappointed. You might go in blind and eat shit , but I like to read the reviews to ensure I'm getting a good steak .
There are things fundamental to a characters design I stand by that .
I'm all for new ideas , but when a bad idea is a bad idea there is nothing wrong in saying that.
And again your lying that you say you didn't imply predator wasn't mysterious. You pointed out that we see a spaceship fly into the earth at the beginning destroying any mystery, maybe you need to look up what the word mysterious means ? You have taken a tiny detail of what I said and made it completely about that . You just can't accept that some people see things differently from you . Some of us are extremely disappointed with this new film ideas . And that's just a fact of life .
Terminator 2 worked because it was well written , it still stayed with the same formula as the first .
Aliens is a good stand alone film to me . But it did take away the hard sci fi elements alien had . And yes became a dumb monster popcorn movie . The aliens were just cannon fodder.
Also you say you can't stick to the same old formula yet take the original matrix it's adored , reloaded and revolutions didn't try to remake the first did they ? Yet they were poorly received because they were not as intellectual as the first .
I love all three by the way , but to some people the sequels were a disappointment " because they tried to be different "
The point is a formula is usually why a film is successful or fails , regardless of the characters involved , bad writing is bad writing. If the new predator film is a great bit of work cool, ask yourself this , why hasn't any actor touched it that's high profile in Hollywood , like di caprio , jake Gallahal etc ?
I'll tell you why because the script sucks . If the script wasn't true why did fox request it to be took down ?
As for ideas , Id like a predator styled the revenant film. The director who made the revenant with leanardo would make an awesome predator film absolutely no doubt about it .. can imagine that first long scene where the Indians attack being replaced with predators ? It would be freakin awesome dude !
I know this maybe a strange concept to some but I tend to watch a film before I decide if its any good or not and start slagging it off. A novel idea I know but I find it works for me.
I understand having concerns about the film and that's fair enough but the level of criticism is ridiculously over the top when no one has even seen any footage yet.
Quote from: Thedutchpredator on Feb 07, 2018, 06:41:36 AM
Well since evil bought up ideas I would like to see more cross overs such as pred v iron man or the classic comic batman v pred. Not just for the the box office dollars it would make a great action film and would certainly grab more fans for this great franchise.
What if the predator came to earth in search of Dutch and found him but instead of Dutch it was the terminator cause you know they look the same. Great movie right there easy done
I'm not a "cross-over" guy with pred at all, but there is an internet-fan theory that is super cool. Dutch "disappears" (no sequels saying otherwise)....Govt' uses him as the "mold" if you will- for the Terminator machine....a lot of other dots are connected....insofacto Dutch is Terminator.
So your "crossover" idea, is actually super cool.
Quote from: EVIL the PREDATOR on Feb 07, 2018, 03:38:45 PM
Quote " I didn't say it wasn't supposed to be mysterious, my stance is that it simply isn't that mysterious. We understand what they are, what they do, what attracts them to earth, and we understand their customs.
So if you now agree with me that predator is somewhat mysterious why have you been arguing with me for 3 days to explain myself on why predator is mysterious?
I don't agree to the level of mystery that the first film has - but in understanding better your perception of that mystery, I can better understand what you want in a sequel. I still disagree with you when you say "that created an air of mystery for most of the film , the big reveal being at the end, and It worked," because my feeling is that we already know what's been going on throughout the film. The awesome reveal at the end is the final look at the creature, which as I've stated before, cannot be replicated as we cannot erase it from memory.
QuoteIf you are now saying we all know what a predator is , and why they come here , what extracts them to earth and their customs . That's to say yes there is culture to predators
It can be argued that one of their customs is to not allow their technology to be intercepted by humans. Right there, you can see why their motivations can change from "I want to hunt" to "I want to get our technology back." Each predator is an individual with an independent mind and different experiences. Also, my above quote was to highlight that the predator is not a mysterious being that we can pretend to know nothing about for sequels.
Quote. And I was saying the sequel should follow on from that . .. Yet Yesterday you said
"It established why some of them have come here. Who is to say different individuals of the same species cannot have different motivations? Are Predators hive minded? I don't read their comics, so if they are, that's surprising."
"Follow on from that" is a very ambiguous term to use. How do you reintroduce mystery into creatures if you want them to have the exact same motivation, knowing audiences already understand it?
QuoteA predator could be a gay prostitute , a predator could work at a dry cleaners , a predator could be a clown , do we want to see that ? Hell no .
You're being hyperbolic because that isn't in the script at all. That's like complaining a sequel to a Batman movie will suck because it might have a scene of him taking a dump or putting on eyeliner or something.
QuoteAnd an example would be spiderman picks up guns and starts killing people , there are many spidermen not just peter . But even then they could do it sure , but would it work ? Hell no .
That's a horrible comparison and it baffles me that you just tried to use it. Let me break it down:
Jungle Hunter is the same species as City Hunter. Both are the same species as, say, any Predator in movies, comics, books or games who fights side by side with a human. Do all of them have the same goal/motivations? No. Are they still of the same species (predators)? Yes. Spider-Man is part of the human species. A human who picks up guns and starts killing people is still a part of the human species (spider powers or not). Do they have the same goal? No. Are they still of the same species? Yes. The title of "Spider-Man" need not apply, as "Predator" is not so much a title as much as it's a loosely given name to what most fans call Yautja.
QuoteYou say don't read the script ,
No I didn't. Use my direct quotes, please - you're putting words in my mouth.
Quoteand normally I wouldn't but iv been left too disappointed too many times , predators script was leaked I didn't read it and was extremely disappointed. You might go in blind and eat shit , but I like to read the reviews to ensure I'm getting a good steak .
So you didn't read the script but are certain based on a summary that the film will not feel mysterious? Okay. Also, a script is not a review, not even close. Your logic is heavily flawed here.
QuoteThere are things fundamental to a characters design I stand by that .
Predators aren't singular characters. Each of them were different.
QuoteI'm all for new ideas , but when a bad idea is a bad idea there is nothing wrong in saying that.
Nor is there anything wrong with asking you why you think it's a bad idea. I think you have shortsighted backing to your claims, as evidenced with your Harry Potter and Spider-Man examples.
QuoteAnd again your lying that you say you didn't imply predator wasn't mysterious. You pointed out that we see a spaceship fly into the earth at the beginning destroying any mystery, maybe you need to look up what the word mysterious means ?
Your passive aggressiveness aside, perhaps you just need to re-read what I said. I clearly state: "How significant is the big reveal if the film opens with a spaceship flying by Earth?" as an answer to you saying the big reveal took place at the end of the film. My stance is that we know what is going on much earlier, and the big reveal is just the
look of the creature.
QuoteYou have taken a tiny detail of what I said and made it completely about that .
It was the first thing you said, and the basis of your stance. Everything you say should back it up.
QuoteYou just can't accept that some people see things differently from you . Some of us are extremely disappointed with this new film ideas . And that's just a fact of life .
I accept that many have apprehensions with the direction Shane is taking this film. You are the one who went all in to say "Predator is suppose to be mysterious, instead what we have now is a dumbed down monster movie ." Am I saying you're wrong by asking you why you feel that way? No. I am saying your reasoning towards that conclusion is flawed, though.
QuoteTerminator 2 worked because it was well written , it still stayed with the same formula as the first .
You admitted you didn't read the script of 'The Predator' and the formula of T2 was nowhere near the same as the first Terminator.
QuoteAliens is a good stand alone film to me . But it did take away the hard sci fi elements alien had . And yes became a dumb monster popcorn movie . The aliens were just cannon fodder.
Ah finally, we got somewhere. If you think 'Aliens' is a dumb monster movie but you still think it's a good movie, 'The Predator' can be a good movie as well. Your interpretation of what makes a "dumb monster movie" isn't the same as mine. I like 'Aliens' more than 'Alien' honestly, so I can see why we stand where we do in regards to 'The Predator'.
EDIT: Do you think most fans hate the idea of "bad bloods" in the comics since these Predators have no honor? Because you state honor is universal to the predators.
you know though what I find funny , nowhere did I say I'm right , iv consistently said it's my opinion. I'm not sure where your trying to head with this ? Other than trying to be right ? When I was talking about what made the first a success that was facts that have been revisited many times by film critics , again. Are you saying they are all wrong just because you interpreted the film differently? As for The predator, It was a on the spot comment I made about why I'm worried , why is what I think such a big deal to you anyway ? You say I'm defensive , yet is there any wonder when you can't just seem to accept to agree to disagree ?
And for the record , I like bad blood , but he isn't a super predator . Super predators didn't even exist until predators came out .
And the reason I'm not feeling this new film is because of the mutated super predator issue , as well as a load of other things , that I won't elaborate on , because I don't want to ruin it for you despite the fact your really starting to grate on me now! 😂
Here's food for thought .. the original predator wasn't even going to be called predator .. it was going to be called "the hunter" so there's that .
I'm a bit old school as well. I watch then decide call me old fashioned bit I prefer that method as well
Hey evil yes dead end I think I paid 80 bucks for that on eBay lol
Quote from: EVIL the PREDATOR on Feb 07, 2018, 05:59:34 PM
Here's food for thought .. the original predator wasn't even going to be called predator .. it was going to be called "the hunter" so there's that .
Dude, you've been blasting :laugh: I don't think i've seen anyone blasting like that since... never really ;)
Quote from: EVIL the PREDATOR on Feb 07, 2018, 05:45:08 PM
you know though what I find funny , nowhere did I say I'm right , iv consistently said it's my opinion. I'm not sure where your trying to head with this ?
I've stated multiple times, I'm just trying to understand your reasoning. Opinion or not, we are discussing the film. That's what the forum is for.
QuoteOther than trying to be right ?
Nope, just trying to understand.
QuoteWhen I was talking about what made the first a success that was facts that have been revisited many times by film critics , again. Are you saying they are all wrong just because you interpreted the film differently?
You've asked this before and I've addressed it clearly: "It's great how we can perceive movies differently, but please answer how a sequel can have the same effect. I've politely asked multiple times and you haven't hinted at any solution that makes sense. It seems like a sequel is downright impossible with your given criteria."
QuoteAs for The predator, It was a on the spot comment I made about why I'm worried
Who cares if it was on the spot if you stand by what you said?
Quotewhy is what I think such a big deal to you anyway ?
It's not. I simply enjoy discussing all things predator.
QuoteYou say I'm defensive , yet is there any wonder when you can't just seem to accept to agree to disagree ?
Your tone throughout this discussion indicates you've been defensive. Agreeing to disagree doesn't mean I'm not going to respond.
Quote from: EVIL the PREDATOR on Feb 07, 2018, 05:46:23 PM
And for the record , I like bad blood , but he isn't a super predator . Super predators didn't even exist until predators came out .
How can you like bad blood if those predators have no honor? You said honor is universal and indicated deviation from customs like that makes no sense like Harry Potter turning evil.
Quote from: EVIL the PREDATOR on Feb 07, 2018, 05:49:16 PM
And the reason I'm not feeling this new film is because of the mutated super predator issue , as well as a load of other things , that I won't elaborate on , because I don't want to ruin it for you despite the fact your really starting to grate on me now! 😂
That's a perfectly reasonable stance.
Quote from: EVIL the PREDATOR on Feb 07, 2018, 05:59:34 PM
Here's food for thought .. the original predator wasn't even going to be called predator .. it was going to be called "the hunter" so there's that .
Yup, I already knew that.
So if you are trying to just understand why are you not being constructive ? All you have been doing is putting everything I said under a constant microscope and it's kind of wierding me out now dude , so please just stop . Like seriously . Your idea of predator is different to mine, and that's fine it's good to have a diverse fan base , thank you for reckonising my fears . And yes what I originally said was a rather stupid comment that wasn't massively thought about . I'll accept that . But there is no need to make me feel like I'm back a school pal . It was just an opinion now let it go !
Quote from: EVIL the PREDATOR on Feb 07, 2018, 07:24:06 PM
So if you are trying to just understand why are you not being constructive ? All you have been doing is putting everything I said under a constant microscope...
As Corporal Hicks said, I have contributed to the discussion. I've been asking you questions while also presenting my own perspective.
Quoteand it's kind of wierding me out now dude , so please just stop . Like seriously .
That's a bit dramatic.
QuoteYour idea of predator is different to mine, and that's fine it's good to have a diverse fan base , thank you for reckonising my fears . And yes what I originally said was a rather stupid comment that wasn't massively thought about . I'll accept that .
Well I never said it was stupid, just been expressing why I disagree.
QuoteBut there is no need to make me feel like I'm back a school pal . It was just an opinion now let it go !
You say that like I've been rude when you're the one calling me a biased liar and telling me to look up the definition of "mysterious" as if I don't know what it means - but I'll gladly let it go. Have a good one!
If you respected my opinion you would of have the attitude , " well it's cool you see it like that this Is why Isee it like this.. " not quoting me in every dam thing iv said , do you talk to people like that on Facebook too ? Or when you are texting ? It's strange , I already know what iv said , you don't have to keep repeating me .. Have a conversation with me like a normal human being , you don't have to analyse and constantly publish what iv said as if your marking me like a teacher to a student would .. it's condescending.. and if you can't see that then more fool you ..instead what we have is an on going argument . And it's become rather pointless.
Get a room, girls
Quote from: EVIL the PREDATOR on Feb 07, 2018, 08:59:43 PM
If you respected my opinion you would of have the attitude , " well it's cool you see it like that this Is why Isee it like this.. " not quoting me in every dam thing iv said , do you talk to people like that on Facebook too ?
I'm not an active social media user, and I explained why I quote the way I do. There's nothing wrong with it, it's simply convenient in understanding which statements refer to others. Feel free to report any of my posts if you think I have an attitude problem but I think I've been respectful.
QuoteOr when you are texting ? It's strange , I already know what iv said , you don't have to keep repeating me ..
I do it for convenience in writing and reading long posts. Many others on the forum do as well. Don't take it personally, because it's not.
QuoteHave a conversation with me like a normal human being , you don't have to analyse and constantly publish what iv said as if your marking me like a teacher to a student would .. it's condescending..
I disagree. It's not like I'm going after your grammar. You've made many statements and I wanted to talk about each one. You do realize if you don't want me to quote what you say you don't have to say anything at all, right?
Quoteand if you can't see that then more fool you ..
Are you calling me a fool?
Quoteinstead what we have is an on going argument . And it's become rather pointless.
It's a discussion, but if you find it pointless feel free to leave it. I'm not forcing you to come back.
Quote from: ThePredatorUK on Feb 07, 2018, 09:38:19 PM
Get a room, girls
:laugh: sorry about the long posts.
Just banter 🤣🤣🤣
Why I have the f***ing feeling that this will be Huge Disappointment ???
PREDATOR IV: HOLLYWOOD vs EVIL the PREDATOR
...just poking fun, but holy cow that was nearly 3 pages just between the two of you!
I think they're secretly in love I'm like ask him out already
Just jokes boys
I've got a bad feeling this is going the same way as Ghostbusters, Star Wars, and Independence day... But i'm hoping i'm wrong and it turns out to be great. Only time (and the trailer) will tell. 8)
Quote from: WanderingRonin on Feb 08, 2018, 11:35:14 AM
I've got a bad feeling this is going the same way as Ghostbusters, Star Wars, and Independence day... But i'm hoping i'm wrong and it turns out to be great. Only time (and the trailer) will tell. 8)
The Predator, the lore, the trophies, the hunter,the prey... let the past die. Kill it, if you have to. That's the only way to become what you are meant to be. ;D
Quote from: WanderingRonin on Feb 08, 2018, 11:35:14 AM
I've got a bad feeling this is going the same way as Ghostbusters, Star Wars, and Independence day... But i'm hoping i'm wrong and it turns out to be great. Only time (and the trailer) will tell. 8)
If it were as bad as Independence Day I think I'd be depressed for all of August lol
I don't know what the guy is talking about, if The Predator is anything like the new Star Wars movies, critically or commercially, we can all die happy now.
Rogue One was extraordinary, Disney is doing everything right and if that's an indicatuon of whats to come with FOX-franchises under Disney, were in for a treat.
Disney??right???LOL
Disney is the number one movie making machine in the world, everything they touch is critically acclaimed and there is hardly a movie that doesn't make a billion, and rightly so, they know how to please their crowd.
I'm looking forward to them taking over FOX, i really do.
Some pretty big exaggerations there, but whatever.
Quote from: Johnny Handsome on Feb 08, 2018, 12:59:57 PM
Disney is the number one movie making machine in the world, everything they touch is critically acclaimed and there is hardly a movie that doesn't make a billion, and rightly so, they know how to please their crowd.
I'm looking forward to them taking over FOX, i really do.
Do you like conveyor stamping? Stupid jokes and simple and unintelligible plots? Cinema without eggs? Such a future awaits popcorn cinema with disney.
QuoteDo you like conveyor stamping? Stupid jokes and simple and unintelligible plots? Cinema without eggs? Such a future awaits popcorn cinema with disney.
Whether or not you and I like it. There is a massive audience willing to go see that very type of film. Time and time again. Anticipating said conveyer belt films. What's more they actually enjoy them and sing their praises. Such is the world we live in.
Quote from: black on Feb 08, 2018, 01:16:52 PM
Quote from: Johnny Handsome on Feb 08, 2018, 12:59:57 PM
Disney is the number one movie making machine in the world, everything they touch is critically acclaimed and there is hardly a movie that doesn't make a billion, and rightly so, they know how to please their crowd.
I'm looking forward to them taking over FOX, i really do.
Do you like conveyor stamping? Stupid jokes and simple and unintelligible plots? Cinema without eggs? Such a future awaits popcorn cinema with disney.
I like good movies, Disney makes them, enough for me.
QuoteStupid jokes and simple and unintelligible plots?
Oh, we don't have that every year with hundreds of movies from other studios do we? Wait, that was sarcasm right? I get it now! That was a good one. ;D
Yes it was him. :)
Quote from: Johnny Handsome on Feb 08, 2018, 12:59:57 PM
Disney is the number one movie making machine in the world, everything they touch is critically acclaimed and there is hardly a movie that doesn't make a billion, and rightly so, they know how to please their crowd.
I'm looking forward to them taking over FOX, i really do.
haha this literally made me lol. Did I correctly read this comment as sarcasm? :D :D :D
I'm with johnny on this one too , I think Disney snatching the rights to both alien and predator can only be a good thing . As he has rightly said they very rarely put of films that don't do well commercially and critically. I love the new Star Wars, I love the MCU and I agree rogue one is one of the best , Presides fox has neglected both franchises for way too long long, just like the predator will , I'm honestly happy they are not in the chair anymore . My only worry is , will Disney actually make anything ? Or will they sell the rights on to Netflix ? I hope not , we need a Star Wars treatment for both franchises.. who knows they might even make avp work for once .
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Quote from: Johnny Handsome on Feb 08, 2018, 12:59:57 PM
Disney is the number one movie making machine in the world, everything they touch is critically acclaimed and there is hardly a movie that doesn't make a billion, and rightly so, they know how to please their crowd.
I'm looking forward to them taking over FOX, i really do.
haha this literally made me lol. Did I correctly read this comment as sarcasm? :D :D :D
No, i guess your sarcasm-detector is broken. I'm not surprised people don't share my opinion, and they don't have to, time will tell.
Disney makes crowd-pleasers because they actually care.
For me, i'm really optimistic about the FOX/Disney merge and i think that's exactly the kind of fresh air the Alien/Predator franchise needs. FOX managed to pretty much f**k up their franchises one by one, Die Hard/ ID4/ Alien/ Predator/ Fan4... why do you think they are selling? Because the movies were so good and so successful?
Seems like sarcasm isn't your only demerit.
Quote from: EVIL the PREDATOR on Feb 08, 2018, 02:09:37 PM
I'm with johnny on this one too , I think Disney snatching the rights to both alien and predator can only be a good thing . As he has rightly said they very rarely put of films that don't do well commercially and critically. I love the new Star Wars, I love the MCU and I agree rogue one is one of the best , Presides fox has neglected both franchises for way too long long, just like the predator will , I'm honestly happy they are not in the chair anymore . My only worry is , will Disney actually make anything ? Or will they sell the rights on to Netflix ? I hope not , we need a Star Wars treatment for both franchises.. who knows they might even make avp work for once .
Hates the predator and loves new star wars...mindblowing.
How can you hate The Predator when the movie is not out yet? :-[
Ohh, and i see, it's the latest cool internet thing to hate the new Star Wars movies. Well, i'm not that cool then, i rather enjoy well made movies than blabbering other peoples opinions.
Well, I did not like the new star wars even in the cinema chair and not on the wave of hatе, and I in general meant EVIL.
How is that mindblowing ? If it was up to George Lucas , the franchise would of been dead . Can you honestly say disneys films are worse than phantom menace and attack of the clones ? Which by your definition are true Star Wars as they were made by Lucas . I mean don't even get me started with jar jar Binks , Star Wars fans have never had it so good , money talks , so does care . Disney have a reputation that they know they have to protect .they have always been revolutionary in cinema . Seriously why is there so much hate on Disney ? They basically saved Star Wars from going down the toilet. The same cannot be said for 20th century fox , they are greedy , do not care about the quality they are putting out , and are ultimately franchise killers .
Don't put words in my mouth , I never said I hate the predator , I said I'm disappointed with the script if it proves to be accurate. Seeing as the predators script was leaked early and proved to be 90% true , I'm inclined to believe this one is . But I have never said I hate it . How can I ? Iv not even watched it yet .
Quote from: Johnny Handsome on Feb 08, 2018, 02:43:16 PM
How can you hate The Predator when the movie is not out yet? :-[
Ohh, and i see, it's the latest cool internet thing to hate the new Star Wars movies. Well, i'm not that cool then, i rather enjoy well made movies than blabbering other peoples opinions.
you got it wrong johnny, alot of people hate the new star wars movie because it's pretty average. it's not about ( oh its so cool to hate stuff!!) people are just very disappointed with it.
If Disney acquires Fox they will likely still release R rated material under a different studio name just like they did with Kill Bill and Con Air. I haven't seen the last Star Wars film but despite what anyone thinks of the last 3, Disney knows how to get attention on their films, so that's a plus, right? I think Johnny is right in his implying that Disney is a smart business that has a good track record in catering to its properties' audiences.
If Disney doesn't lose sight of which audience each film should entice, I don't see why they can't make a Predator film that pleases the crowds who want to see a violent, solid action film. They wouldn't be stupid enough to try to turn the Predator franchise into something like Star Wars.
EDIT: That's not a jab at the quality of Star Wars - that's me saying it's a different "type" of franchise.
Quote from: EVIL the PREDATOR on Feb 08, 2018, 03:11:41 PM
Don't put words in my mouth , I never said I hate the predator , I said I'm disappointed with the script if it proves to be accurate. Seeing as the predators script was leaked early and proved to be 90% true , I'm inclined to believe this one is . But I have never said I hate it . How can I ? Iv not even watched it yet .
But you did hate what you read, didn't you ? Or was there some stuff that you liked in the script ?
I believe that the star wars did not have to be rescued because the story was over. If the creators had included fantasy and made new films without binding to the old trilogy or would have done with it but with respect to the cult heroes ... And about the predator there is also little respect for his character and a huge logical hole in the narrative that does not fit in with past movies.
In both cases, the creators trying to do something new and fresh forget what was done before them.
Quote from: black on Feb 08, 2018, 03:49:18 PM
And about the predator there is also little respect for his character and a huge logical hole in the narrative that does not fit in with past movies.
In both cases, the creators trying to do something new and fresh forget what was done before them.
When you say past movies do you mean P1, P2 and Preds? Or the AVPs?
P1, P2 and Predators too.
That's a damn shame, I was hoping The Predator wouldn't downright contradict past films.
Quote from: Johnny Handsome on Feb 08, 2018, 02:26:14 PM
Quote from: BonesawT101 on Feb 08, 2018, 02:08:00 PM
Quote from: Johnny Handsome on Feb 08, 2018, 12:59:57 PM
Disney is the number one movie making machine in the world, everything they touch is critically acclaimed and there is hardly a movie that doesn't make a billion, and rightly so, they know how to please their crowd.
I'm looking forward to them taking over FOX, i really do.
haha this literally made me lol. Did I correctly read this comment as sarcasm? :D :D :D
No, i guess your sarcasm-detector is broken. I'm not surprised people don't share my opinion, and they don't have to, time will tell.
Disney makes crowd-pleasers because they actually care.
For me, i'm really optimistic about the FOX/Disney merge and i think that's exactly the kind of fresh air the Alien/Predator franchise needs. FOX managed to pretty much f**k up their franchises one by one, Die Hard/ ID4/ Alien/ Predator/ Fan4... why do you think they are selling? Because the movies were so good and so successful?
Seems like sarcasm isn't your only demerit.
The Marvel movies, in my opinion are the modern equivalent of the 80's slasher movies. A studio cranking out poorly written film's one after the other with very little style or substance to them. They simply keep these movies flying off of the production line because at the moment they are making lots and lots of money. That doesn't mean that they are good. I can honestly say I have not liked ANY of the marvel movies. Not one. But that's just my opinion. The force Awakens was a pretty poor imitation of A New Hope with a less interesting lead and a less interesting villain. Rogue one was, imo, very good however. The Last Jedi was absolutely dreadful. Seen it opening night with my old man. The general consensus from the audience etc that night, and the world over is that it was a mess. Again, just my opinion, but it was awfully awfully poor. It also completely bombed in a market where even Terminator Genisys made a ton of money. That is really saying something. This idea that all of disney's movies makes billions is a myth. Just look at prince of persia or john carter. They do generally make so called 'crowd pleasers'(although audience score on TLJ was extremely low) So if they decide to reinvigorate Alien, or Predator, expect more of the same, but with next to no genuine talent involved, no style, no substance, no fresh/exciting ideas, and lots and lots of money being spent for good or for bad.
Quote from: Hollywood on Feb 08, 2018, 04:01:13 PM
That's a damn shame, I was hoping The Predator wouldn't downright contradict past films.
I'm okay with learning more and exploring more, plus introducing predators with different motives, but I'm hoping the narrative inconsistencies aren't too blatant to ignore.
Bonesaw that's quite a broad statement , if they were poor , people wouldn't go and watch them would they ? Look at the hype for infinity war .. that hype wouldn't exist if what came before was bad.
Also you didn't explain yourself .. attack of the clones and especially phantom menace were dreadful , yet they were not made by Disney they were made by the Star Wars man himself George Lucas . I haven't seen TLJ yet but rogue one was awesome .
Hollywood I didn't mean Disney should make alien and predator like Star Wars , I meant they should be given the same treatment and attention to detail Star Wars has received .
Also you may believe remakes and rehashes never work , but 2017s It , was my favourite film of the year and I don't even like horror films really .. some of the scenes were shot for shot the same as Tim currys . Did it flop ? No it was one of the best films of the year .
And yes some parts of the script I did like big daddy john , but a lot of it I didn't . That doesn't mean I hate something . Hate is a strong word.
Hollywood do you understand why my view is this film is being reduced to a "dumb monster movie" now ? I'll say it again you can't wipe what has gone before . It then just becomes a creature feature with no soul .
Quote from: Stealth_Hunter on Feb 08, 2018, 04:21:22 PM
Quote from: Hollywood on Feb 08, 2018, 04:01:13 PM
That's a damn shame, I was hoping The Predator wouldn't downright contradict past films.
I'm okay with learning more and exploring more, plus introducing predators with different motives, but I'm hoping the narrative inconsistencies aren't too blatant to ignore.
narrative inconsistencies is very very serious.I would say it makes no sense what the predators in past films were doing, because they had more important things to do.
"attack of the clones and especially phantom menace were dreadful , yet they were not made by Disney they were made by the Star Wars man himself George Lucas . I haven't seen TLJ yet but rogue one was awesome ."
Agreed.
Meanwhile, back on topic, wonder if the reshoots will include that awesome Arnie cameo I need in my life.....
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Quote from: Stealth_Hunter on Feb 08, 2018, 04:21:22 PM
Quote from: Hollywood on Feb 08, 2018, 04:01:13 PM
That's a damn shame, I was hoping The Predator wouldn't downright contradict past films.
I'm okay with learning more and exploring more, plus introducing predators with different motives, but I'm hoping the narrative inconsistencies aren't too blatant to ignore.
narrative inconsistencies is very very serious.I would say it makes no sense what the predators in past films were doing, because they had more important things to do.
But don't you think that doesn't prevent the preds in predator 1 & 2 to
Spoiler
just hunt for the sake of it ? Even if bigger problems happened to them and their planet during that time ?
Isn't that a bit far fetched though ? Again the narrative has already been established. If you can't create the mystery of the first because the audience now know what a predator looks like
, you could also argue that you can't can't go against the narrative because the audience already knows why they come here.
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Quote from: Stealth_Hunter on Feb 08, 2018, 04:21:22 PM
Quote from: Hollywood on Feb 08, 2018, 04:01:13 PM
That's a damn shame, I was hoping The Predator wouldn't downright contradict past films.
I'm okay with learning more and exploring more, plus introducing predators with different motives, but I'm hoping the narrative inconsistencies aren't too blatant to ignore.
narrative inconsistencies is very very serious.I would say it makes no sense what the predators in past films were doing, because they had more important things to do.
But don't you think that doesn't prevent the preds in predator 1 & 2 to Spoiler
just hunt for the sake of it ? Even if bigger problems happened to them and their planet during that time ?
Spoiler
I do not understand their move to our planet if they still have a bunch of planets for hunting and once there are conditions for hunting then for life and find a planet with the right temperature for them is not a problem. They are intergalactic hunters and most likely nomads. Why do they need earth? We can turn the earth into ashes into a confrontation with them and there will be no meaning for them in our planet./spoiler] and
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And what a cold war between them? Most likely they have mastered many planets in the universe and can co-exist separately from each other.
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I have to stress I really want this film to be a successful film , whether I like it or not is irrelevant, however I'm annoyed and scared that if this flops , the predator franchise will be over and it will be the final nail in the coffin . I prey to god that it won't be the case , but my concerns and dislikes are understandable. I just hope the script was worked on more prior to filming , but after the leaked script of 2010s predators , being leaked and accurate. Is this history just repeating itself again ?
Damn now I don't know what to think because I don't want to click on spoilers :laugh:
Quote from: Hollywood on Feb 08, 2018, 05:57:33 PM
Damn now I don't know what to think because I don't want to click on spoilers :laugh:
Don't ! :laugh: You avoided them until now, it would be a shame to read them now !
Quote from: black on Feb 08, 2018, 05:38:46 PM
Quote from: BigDaddyJohn on Feb 08, 2018, 05:06:12 PM
Quote from: black on Feb 08, 2018, 04:38:51 PM
Quote from: Stealth_Hunter on Feb 08, 2018, 04:21:22 PM
Quote from: Hollywood on Feb 08, 2018, 04:01:13 PM
That's a damn shame, I was hoping The Predator wouldn't downright contradict past films.
I'm okay with learning more and exploring more, plus introducing predators with different motives, but I'm hoping the narrative inconsistencies aren't too blatant to ignore.
narrative inconsistencies is very very serious.I would say it makes no sense what the predators in past films were doing, because they had more important things to do.
But don't you think that doesn't prevent the preds in predator 1 & 2 to Spoiler
just hunt for the sake of it ? Even if bigger problems happened to them and their planet during that time ?
Spoiler
I do not understand their move to our planet if they still have a bunch of planets for hunting and once there are conditions for hunting then for life and find a planet with the right temperature for them is not a problem. They are intergalactic hunters and most likely nomads. Why do they need earth? We can turn the earth into ashes into a confrontation with them and there will be no meaning for them in our planet./spoiler] and
Spoiler
And what a cold war between them? Most likely they have mastered many planets in the universe and can co-exist separately from each other.
Spoiler
As I understand it this is largely excised from the film in it's current state.
Quote from: black on Feb 08, 2018, 05:38:46 PM
Quote from: BigDaddyJohn on Feb 08, 2018, 05:06:12 PM
Quote from: black on Feb 08, 2018, 04:38:51 PM
Quote from: Stealth_Hunter on Feb 08, 2018, 04:21:22 PM
Quote from: Hollywood on Feb 08, 2018, 04:01:13 PM
That's a damn shame, I was hoping The Predator wouldn't downright contradict past films.
I'm okay with learning more and exploring more, plus introducing predators with different motives, but I'm hoping the narrative inconsistencies aren't too blatant to ignore.
narrative inconsistencies is very very serious.I would say it makes no sense what the predators in past films were doing, because they had more important things to do.
But don't you think that doesn't prevent the preds in predator 1 & 2 to Spoiler
just hunt for the sake of it ? Even if bigger problems happened to them and their planet during that time ?
Spoiler
I do not understand their move to our planet if they still have a bunch of planets for hunting and once there are conditions for hunting then for life and find a planet with the right temperature for them is not a problem. They are intergalactic hunters and most likely nomads. Why do they need earth? We can turn the earth into ashes into a confrontation with them and there will be no meaning for them in our planet./spoiler] and
Spoiler
And what a cold war between them? Most likely they have mastered many planets in the universe and can co-exist separately from each other.
Spoiler
I guess it's possible yes, but still we are not sure of that, i mean it hasn't been "officially" established
I think Black and Dekker have entered the territory of science fiction and on which they do not know what to do since they have no experience. It's not their genre.
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Quote from: Stealth_Hunter on Feb 08, 2018, 04:21:22 PM
Quote from: Hollywood on Feb 08, 2018, 04:01:13 PM
That's a damn shame, I was hoping The Predator wouldn't downright contradict past films.
I'm okay with learning more and exploring more, plus introducing predators with different motives, but I'm hoping the narrative inconsistencies aren't too blatant to ignore.
narrative inconsistencies is very very serious.I would say it makes no sense what the predators in past films were doing, because they had more important things to do.
But don't you think that doesn't prevent the preds in predator 1 & 2 to Spoiler
just hunt for the sake of it ? Even if bigger problems happened to them and their planet during that time ?
Spoiler
I do not understand their move to our planet if they still have a bunch of planets for hunting and once there are conditions for hunting then for life and find a planet with the right temperature for them is not a problem. They are intergalactic hunters and most likely nomads. Why do they need earth? We can turn the earth into ashes into a confrontation with them and there will be no meaning for them in our planet./spoiler] and
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And what a cold war between them? Most likely they have mastered many planets in the universe and can co-exist separately from each other.
Spoiler
As I understand it this is largely excised from the film in it's current state.
I hope that this is so but what will then remain of all that they wrote. It would be easier for them to write a new script and not to rewrite this one. They cut out the core of the movie and the bridge to the continuations of the series.Although judging by the photo they did not change anything.It is a pity that Shane did not know this
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After global warming, there may be a global cooling both on their planet and on our planet./spoiler]
Look on the bright side guys, those of us who are aware of the spoilers can just sit back and enjoy the film for what it is. We don't have to be dumbfounded by the canonical changes (that is if you get dumbfounded by such things). I'm excited and can't wait! I'm just going to fall in line with all the other casual movie-goers, and have a blast! I'm thankful that a group of individuals are working their butts off to allow me to enjoy another outing with my most beloved movie monster of all time. After "Predators", I didnt think i would have the pleasure to do it again. I'm glad there are re-shoots, it's normal and positive. Remember, negative fan reviews can kill a movie franchise just as fast as the box office can. Imagine the possibilities of a sequel to this film. We could see a possible Yautja war, or maybe even more of their homeworld! Good time to be a fan guys. Good time.
P.S. I think that HOLLYWOOD is secretly Shane Black.
Quote from: zackpred12 on Feb 09, 2018, 01:33:28 AM
P.S. I think that HOLLYWOOD is secretly Shane Black.
Lol maybe if I were more witty it'd be believable. But Shane Black is barely active on his own Twitter, he's not going to grace us with his presence as often as I'm here lol
Sadly, I'm just a guy with interns I can pawn work towards while I cruise the internet from time to time :laugh:
Quote from: Hollywood on Feb 09, 2018, 02:02:12 AMBut Shane Black is barely active on his own Twitter, he's not going to grace us with his presence as often as I'm here
That's exactly what Shane Black would say! ;)
The three days of arguing with him makes sense now lol 🙄 What a story that would be to tell my buddies, " so bro what have you been up 2 " .. " ahh nothing much just arguing with Shane black!!! " lmao 😂
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There's still quite a ways to go yet before we will get to see this film.
So, keep it up...
Hey, Harrigan! More victims, more mutilations!
Quote from: EVIL the PREDATOR on Feb 09, 2018, 02:24:44 AM
The three days of arguing with him makes sense now lol 🙄 What a story that would be to tell my buddies, " so bro what have you been up 2 " .. " ahh nothing much just arguing with Shane black!!! " lmao 😂
EVIL we should upload pictures of ourselves so I can verify I'm not Shane Black and you could verify you're not a director of something competing with The Predator ;D
Quote from: Hollywood on Feb 09, 2018, 12:55:46 PM
Quote from: EVIL the PREDATOR on Feb 09, 2018, 02:24:44 AM
The three days of arguing with him makes sense now lol 🙄 What a story that would be to tell my buddies, " so bro what have you been up 2 " .. " ahh nothing much just arguing with Shane black!!! " lmao 😂
EVIL we should upload pictures of ourselves so I can verify I'm not Shane Black and you could verify you're not a director of something competing with The Predator ;D
You're both Shane Black and Fred Dekker. Playing a comedy.
Quote from: black on Feb 09, 2018, 01:09:44 PM
Quote from: Hollywood on Feb 09, 2018, 12:55:46 PM
Quote from: EVIL the PREDATOR on Feb 09, 2018, 02:24:44 AM
The three days of arguing with him makes sense now lol 🙄 What a story that would be to tell my buddies, " so bro what have you been up 2 " .. " ahh nothing much just arguing with Shane black!!! " lmao 😂
EVIL we should upload pictures of ourselves so I can verify I'm not Shane Black and you could verify you're not a director of something competing with The Predator ;D
You're both Shane Black and Fred Dekker. Playing a comedy.
:laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
Lol! :laugh:
Hate to disappoint but I'm just a nobody about to hit the gym before work ;)
Quote from: Hollywood on Feb 09, 2018, 01:40:09 PM
Lol! :laugh:
Hate to disappoint but I'm just a nobody about to hit the gym before work ;)
Have a good workout man ;)
Quote from: Hollywood on Feb 09, 2018, 01:40:09 PM
Lol! :laugh:
Hate to disappoint but I'm just a nobody about to hit the gym before work ;)
Well, Shane could work out in the gym and we do not even know if he has a son.
Yea..go hit that gym Hawkins. ;)
Shane's looking swole these days 💪🏻
Or am I ?
"I'll be back ! " ?? 🤔😂
All quiet on the western front
Quote from: Hollywood on Feb 09, 2018, 01:40:09 PM
Lol! :laugh:
Hate to disappoint but I'm just a nobody about to hit the gym before work ;)
Skipping leg day are we?
Start scanning #setlife and #thepredator hashtags on instagram while reshoots are going on, might find something.
https://twitter.com/Jen_Eggleston/status/973628484261003264
Quote from: black on Feb 09, 2018, 12:16:15 PM
Hey, Harrigan! More victims, more mutilations!
I read that in his voice! ;D
https://twitter.com/WhatsFilming/status/973984691362639881
Great, yet more reshoots, yet more delays. They must be really insecure about their work, the least we can expect is that the reshoots are not awfully obvious like it has been the trend in the blockbuster with also senseless reshoots. If i have zero expectations about this, everytime we get news like this my interest declines more and more.
Quote from: D88M on Mar 14, 2018, 09:27:05 PM
Great, yet more reshoots, yet more delays. They must be really insecure about their work, the least we can expect is that the reshoots are not awfully obvious like it has been the trend in the blockbuster with also senseless reshoots. If i have zero expectations about this, everytime we get news like this my interest declines more and more.
What are you talking about? These are the same reshoots announced at the beginning of February and they're a normal, regular part of the filming process.
ace is always on top of the social media stuff! Thanks dude! ;)
Quote from: Hollywood on Mar 14, 2018, 09:31:23 PM
Quote from: D88M on Mar 14, 2018, 09:27:05 PM
Great, yet more reshoots, yet more delays. They must be really insecure about their work, the least we can expect is that the reshoots are not awfully obvious like it has been the trend in the blockbuster with also senseless reshoots. If i have zero expectations about this, everytime we get news like this my interest declines more and more.
What are you talking about? These are the same reshoots announced at the beginning of February and they're a normal, regular part of the filming process.
Three weeks of reshoot with the main unit isn't a normal part (although is, these days, increasingly regular). Typically shoots done during post production are pickups to collect little bits and pieces that were missing that are needed for the edit to work better, and are usually done with a second unit. Getting the Director back for three weeks of reshoot means they're changing some fairly substantial chunks.
Or Shane Black doesn't like second unit :p
https://www.instagram.com/p/BgUqpKaj0pA/?hl=en&taken-by=bonafideblack
bonafideblack I need the supertechnocrane for the shot 📸: @zacharywanzz
The test screening probably had some effect on the decision makers at Fox...
Wouldn't it be funny if the test screening reactions were so bad that all these reshoots basically changed the whole film like Solo? I would laugh my ass off if the official synopsis got released and it read "an elite rescue squad has been sent to Columbia to save a group of a hostages, while, unbeknownst to them, are being hunted by an unseen enemy."
Thanks for the info, SiL! It's funny I was just listening to a Collider podcast yesterday where they were discussing the concerns fans get when they hear the word "reshoot."
I've adopted Christian Harloff's mentality when he said "It's broken record stuff for people who are brand new to hearing about this. Reshoots are part of a film shoot, it happens every single time. Now, sometimes they're more elaborate than other times, sometimes it's like 'oh my God they reshoot 90%!' That's an issue. 'They shot 5%,' well that's normal, you know. Taking notes from the audience - also very normal. They do that for test screenings...because they want your notes at the very end of it, as a fan, and if so many peoole are saying the same thing, then the studios are going to listen."
He never mentions first or second unit stuff though. The video is the Collider movie talk episode titled "Is Fantastic Beasts 2 Hiding Johnny Depp?" And his part of the discussion starts at 14:50.
As for the amount they're changing, I doubt you could redo the film so much in 3 weeks. You can change significant aspects, sure, like the ending or replacing certain moments in certain scenes.
I guess they totally can tune down the humour, i wouldn't be surprised at all if they did.
Quote from: Jigsaw85 on Mar 15, 2018, 07:51:56 PM
Wouldn't it be funny if the test screening reactions were so bad that all these reshoots basically changed the whole film like Solo? I would laugh my ass off if the official synopsis got released and it read "an elite rescue squad has been sent to Columbia to save a group of a hostages, while, unbeknownst to them, are being hunted by an unseen enemy."
Or "a film crew lost in Columbia is pursued by a stuntman who suffers a psychotic break while still in his creature costume". ;D
3 weeks of re shoots means something isn't right and they're putting an effort in fixing that. Keeping positive.
How long do reshoots usually last?
They are probably adding more character stuff or changing an action sequence. 3 weeks isn't super long but it's more than average.
you get reshoots on every movie it's very normal.
Yea but this late in the game and with the first unit isn't that common.
From what i understand, FOX is going the "IT" route from seeing how successful horrormovies have been lately. Especially with that september release. I think they shifted gears a bit, i don't expect this to be marketed as the big summer movie that Shane was talking about as originally planned, i expect the marketing will be much more mysterious, focusing more on the horror aspects.
From the three weeks of reshoots, 2 weeks are going to be night shoots in very moody ambient and forests.
https://www.instagram.com/p/BgUd9-GnSvH/?taken-at=236480333
https://www.instagram.com/p/BgQgme7Hfez/?taken-at=236480333
That makes a lot of sense, and a lot less worrying. Doing reshoots to better position the movie in today's increasingly overcrowded cinema market is a lot more reassuring than doing them because the film isn't living up to expectations.
Also wasn't there an image of a clapperboard from the reshoots? I can't seem to find it, but I do remember it being setup J. That means it's either the 9th or 10th camera setup for that particular scene, which would indicate just adding a couple of extra shots here and there.
Quote from: Hollywood on Mar 15, 2018, 07:55:20 PM
As for the amount they're changing, I doubt you could redo the film so much in 3 weeks. You can change significant aspects, sure, like the ending or replacing certain moments in certain scenes.
It really would depend on what they're filming. 15 days is a very long time for filming dramatic scenes, for example, but not much for effects scenes. I'm currently in the process of editing a feature film that was shot in 15 days and is looking to be about 70 minutes long. So you can absolutely change a substantial chunk in that time, if needed.
Yeah tuning down a bit the humour aspect seems fair, it probably was one of the things that bothered people in the test screenings... Render the movie a little darker make sense in order to sell it more efficiently.
https://twitter.com/Fedyck_Fotos/status/974720868352868352
https://www.instagram.com/p/BgZaT7cnBz_/?taken-at=236480333
leejbuckley
I've been filming Predator Reshoots the last few days but feel this the most notable image of the week. I'm really hoping they put the portable toilets here on purpose. #setlife #predator #bcfilm #technocrane50 #taurusbase #leejbuckley #portabletoilet #nodumping #funny
https://www.instagram.com/p/BgXtoHoH21b/?taken-by=leejbuckley
https://www.instagram.com/p/BgZpvKAFf9l/?taken-by=fedyck_fotos
Atmospheric changes to darken the mood and enhance the horror aspect? I like the sound of that.
Indeed. Upping the horror is not a bad thing at all.
I guess it will be felt in the first trailer, and if it don't satisfy people, they will put the emphasis on another aspect in the second trailer, like they did for Suicide Squad.
https://www.instagram.com/p/Bgc1ZLmDs1q/?hl=en&taken-by=bonafideblack
bonafideblack
Prep meetings with the wizard @unclewow Larry Fong
I hope the comedy stays but there's a chance it could all change
If the comedy stays I'm guessing we'd get Lethal Weapon with a Predator which could be awesome. I've always wanted to see a Predator in a high speed chase. Think Mad Max: Fury Road but with The Predator, and a tank. Ooh-rah.
Quote from: whiterabbit on Mar 19, 2018, 07:46:49 AM
If the comedy stays I'm guessing we'd get Lethal Weapon with a Predator which could be awesome. I've always wanted to see a Predator in a high speed chase. Think Mad Max: Fury Road but with The Predator, and a tank. Ooh-rah.
For real?????!!!
One change I am really hoping for, is:
Spoiler
the new upgrade hybrid predator thing is killed by the classics. Can we please not do that again?
https://www.instagram.com/p/Bgh__x6DIwJ/?tagged=thepredator
Is it possible during test screenings, some of the feedback was that the film was too short and could be fleshed out a bit?
Less humour is a good thing
https://www.instagram.com/p/BgiMtLJjOyG/?hl=hu&tagged=thepredator
Seems like they add some stuff more than they redo:
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shmatthews18: Does this mean y'all are doing reshoots?
oliviamunn@shmatthews18: additional shooting. Adding more badassery 8)
Quote from: Johnny Handsome on Mar 20, 2018, 11:23:46 AM
Seems like they add some stuff more than they redo:
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shmatthews18: Does this mean y'all are doing reshoots?
oliviamunn@shmatthews18: additional shooting. Adding more badassery 8)
Oh oh interesting...
That sounds good to me! :)
I'm loving the look of the location there too.
Yeah I feel like we'll be pretty happy with the new movie
https://www.facebook.com/DirectorFredDekker/photos/a.361751747289483.1073741828.360893107375347/1220498038081512/?type=3&theater
From Fred Dekker, also, a teaser is coming soon.
Quote from: Johnny Handsome on Mar 20, 2018, 05:21:14 PM
https://www.facebook.com/DirectorFredDekker/photos/a.361751747289483.1073741828.360893107375347/1220498038081512/?type=3&theater (https://www.facebook.com/DirectorFredDekker/photos/a.361751747289483.1073741828.360893107375347/1220498038081512/?type=3&theater)
From Fred Dekker, also, a teaser is coming soon.
Break out either the It's Happening gifs for the optimists or the Soon™ for the pessimists
Or the "who gives a shit what others think", but that one is reserved for me 8)
Seriously, i don't give a damn, i'm looking forward to it, a new Predator movie finally this year. I'm glad the big boy is back, cinema is a more fun place with the ugly Motherf**ker.
Quote"the body count is alarming"
...heh heh heh nice ;D
https://twitter.com/WhatsFilming/status/976208642428014595
Movies filmed at this location
https://moviemaps.org/locations/6e4
https://www.instagram.com/p/BgkPv4Klzru/?tagged=thepredator
(https://media1.tenor.com/images/5d36ce0ed4885aac7b47cdae770fa137/tenor.gif?itemid=5084078)
Quote from: ace3g on Mar 21, 2018, 12:56:51 AM
https://twitter.com/WhatsFilming/status/976208642428014595
Movies filmed at this location
https://moviemaps.org/locations/6e4
Hmmmm. Crash-site perhaps? Cloaked Predator encampment?
Great footage
https://www.instagram.com/p/BgqouKxnsY0/?tagged=thepredator
Hahahaha Thomas Jane looks like he's freezing
https://www.instagram.com/p/BgtWl61FcbQ/?tagged=thepredator
https://www.instagram.com/p/BgsimrHDgMb/?tagged=thepredator
Damn this misty location is creepy
Quote from: Johnny Handsome on Mar 16, 2018, 10:43:43 AM
From what i understand, FOX is going the "IT" route from seeing how successful horrormovies have been lately. Especially with that september release. I think they shifted gears a bit, i don't expect this to be marketed as the big summer movie that Shane was talking about as originally planned, i expect the marketing will be much more mysterious, focusing more on the horror aspects.
From the three weeks of reshoots, 2 weeks are going to be night shoots in very moody ambient and forests.
https://www.instagram.com/p/BgUd9-GnSvH/?taken-at=236480333
https://www.instagram.com/p/BgQgme7Hfez/?taken-at=236480333
Any idea what the little green light is below the main 'spotlight' in the first image?
Probably safety-related to the crane/aerial rig but interesting choice of lighting.
Or vfx reference?
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Mar 24, 2018, 06:41:57 PM
Or vfx reference?
Could be, actually, yeah!
Reminds me a bit of the end of ET, that pic. Probably just me hoping for a glimpse of the mothership.
Quote from: funk_master_chunk on Mar 24, 2018, 09:50:09 PM
Probably just me hoping for a glimpse of the mothership.
We got a few pics of the ship interior a while back that were pretty sweet in case you missed them. I'm also hoping for a glimpse of the ship on set but only if someone involved with the film shows us. I don't like leaked blurry set pics from random people in the area
https://twitter.com/WhatsFilming/status/977955140207566848
Quote from: Hollywood on Mar 25, 2018, 02:29:33 PM
Quote from: funk_master_chunk on Mar 24, 2018, 09:50:09 PM
Probably just me hoping for a glimpse of the mothership.
We got a few pics of the ship interior a while back that were pretty sweet in case you missed them. I'm also hoping for a glimpse of the ship on set but only if someone involved with the film shows us. I don't like leaked blurry set pics from random people in the area
Yeah, man. They looked good from what I can remember. I like that they looked a bit 'battered'. Almost 'charred'.
I'm certain I remember the ship being described as a massive, black nautilus in a script leak, though. (I may be wrong/be imagining this). But the idea of a giant mollusc-y, squidy, space shrimp thing is eerie, IMO.
Quote from: Hollywood on Mar 25, 2018, 02:29:33 PM
Quote from: funk_master_chunk on Mar 24, 2018, 09:50:09 PM
Probably just me hoping for a glimpse of the mothership.
We got a few pics of the ship interior a while back that were pretty sweet in case you missed them. I'm also hoping for a glimpse of the ship on set but only if someone involved with the film shows us. I don't like leaked blurry set pics from random people in the area
Nice - do you remember what thread they were in? Have to say, I'm digging the whole ocean-y vibe that's being added to the franchise. I never equated the Predators with ocean life/water dwellers, but I can kind of see it...
If you google image search something like "Inside The Ark - The Predator's New Spaceship - AvPGalaxy" you'll see a couple of the pics.
The guy who posted them on Instagram deleted them though so if you go to the actual thread here on page 3 of the forum you won't see them I think.
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2017/06/01062017_01.jpg)
And this one here
https://www.avpgalaxy.net/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2017/06/01062017_02.jpg (https://www.avpgalaxy.net/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2017/06/01062017_02.jpg)
I didn't read the script but I'm hoping we get extended scenes of the inside like P2.
I don't like it that much.... it is so far removed of what we saw in P2... and the red lights make it so... weh weh... obvious.
Different clans, different aesthetics.
It's true, the aesthetic of City Hunter's armor went well with the ship in that film and I would say the look of the ship here compliments what Jungle Hunter wore so probably same with the Predators in this upcoming film.
Went down the instagram-rabbit hole a bit using #thepredator hashtag and this 1st image from Matt Sloan had my curiosity...
https://www.instagram.com/p/Bg1dKIgHSUd/?tagged=thepredator
Granted didn't see him on The Predator crew list...but got to this picture (posted 3/11) on his feed and Blondel Aidoo is listed.
https://www.instagram.com/p/BgM8672n2sK/?taken-by=onsetvfx
Then got to this picture (posted 3/18) located at Pitt Meadows
https://www.instagram.com/p/Bgc-GDUnpks/?taken-by=onsetvfx
and another from 3/23
https://www.instagram.com/p/BgqOCjanAWD/?taken-by=onsetvfx
This had my attention !!!
https://www.instagram.com/p/Bgtl27yHgQI/?taken-by=onsetvfx
This last clip looks very interesting.
Quote from: Master on Mar 27, 2018, 11:23:47 PM
This last clip looks very interesting.
the last clip with the drone flying over the fireball was from Maze Runner
Quote from: Stealth_Hunter on Mar 27, 2018, 02:09:19 AM
And this one here
https://www.avpgalaxy.net/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2017/06/01062017_02.jpg (https://www.avpgalaxy.net/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2017/06/01062017_02.jpg)
I didn't read the script but I'm hoping we get extended scenes of the inside like P2.
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Mar 26, 2018, 07:36:44 AM
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Thanks - I think it matches the Predators pretty well. If we take the most recent novels into account (the ships are designed by each individual Predator), then some variation between the looks would be expected. I didn't read the script either :-\ but if certain things happen in the final movie that I've seen talked about on the forums, then I think we'll get to at least see a glimpse. Hope anyway.
Quote from: funk_master_chunk on Mar 24, 2018, 06:09:47 PM
Any idea what the little green light is below the main 'spotlight' in the first image?
Probably safety-related to the crane/aerial rig but interesting choice of lighting.
Quote from: funk_master_chunk on Mar 24, 2018, 09:50:09 PM
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Mar 24, 2018, 06:41:57 PM
Or vfx reference?
Could be, actually, yeah!
Reminds me a bit of the end of ET, that pic. Probably just me hoping for a glimpse of the mothership.
Nothing exciting like that I'm afraid. It's just lens-flare.
Quote from: The Eighth Passenger on Mar 28, 2018, 05:24:15 PM
Quote from: funk_master_chunk on Mar 24, 2018, 06:09:47 PM
Any idea what the little green light is below the main 'spotlight' in the first image?
Probably safety-related to the crane/aerial rig but interesting choice of lighting.
Quote from: funk_master_chunk on Mar 24, 2018, 09:50:09 PM
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Mar 24, 2018, 06:41:57 PM
Or vfx reference?
Could be, actually, yeah!
Reminds me a bit of the end of ET, that pic. Probably just me hoping for a glimpse of the mothership.
Nothing exciting like that I'm afraid. It's just lens-flare.
I don't know.
The green light/glow is obscured by the tree. You wouldn't get that w/lens flare.
BUt, if I was going ultra tin-foil hat, I would say that the second pic in the post I quoted looks like it could have Pred blood on the floor...
This one:
https://www.instagram.com/p/BgQgme7Hfez/?utm_source=ig_embed&utm_campaign=embed_profile_upsell_control
(Likely light reflecting in a puddle, I know, I know... but we can dream!!)
Looks like all the additional shoots went according to plan.
https://www.instagram.com/p/Bg7elqeHh1y/?tagged=thepredator
https://www.instagram.com/p/Bg-zsoYHXHl/?taken-by=onsetvfx
Always the same moody environments for those reshoots... WHICH ARE GREAT ! Hopefully the cinematography will be really good so we can enjoy all the details !
Quote from: ace3g on Mar 20, 2018, 04:29:45 AM
https://www.instagram.com/p/Bgh__x6DIwJ/?tagged=thepredator
Is it possible during test screenings, some of the feedback was that the film was too short and could be fleshed out a bit?
WTF happened to her? She looks so different nowadays.
Looks the same to me. :-\
https://www.instagram.com/p/BhP35MhgVde/?hl=en&taken-by=bonafideblack
I didn't see the guy in the ghillie suit at first in that last pic with Fong :laugh:
Quote from: Hollywood on Apr 07, 2018, 02:09:36 PM
I didn't see the guy in the ghillie suit at first in that last pic with Fong :laugh:
Didn't notice it either... maybe this tweet from Black back in Feb 2017 actually was from the movie.
https://twitter.com/BonafideBlack/status/834523566120898560
Hmm... additional scenes? Hoping for an Arnie cameo.
https://www.cinemablend.com/news/2401751/the-predator-reshoots-have-changed-most-of-the-third-act
Quote from: Predalien39 on Apr 12, 2018, 01:27:42 AM
https://www.cinemablend.com/news/2401751/the-predator-reshoots-have-changed-most-of-the-third-act
Really interesting, I can't wait!
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The third act was what needed the most work in the script.
It was a right mess.
Quote from: skhellter on Apr 12, 2018, 02:53:37 AM
It was a right mess.
goddamn space aliens
But seriously, having recently reread the script, it drags out for twenty more pages than it really needs to.
Quote from: KiramidHead on Apr 12, 2018, 03:04:39 AM
Quote from: skhellter on Apr 12, 2018, 02:53:37 AM
It was a right mess.
goddamn space aliens
But seriously, having recently reread the script, it drags out for twenty more pages than it really needs to.
Haha!! Yeah this will be a good thing, The 3rd Act was the only part of the script that bothered me, but fingers crossed its all sweet now!
Fixed quotes. Hicks.
I'm really happy to hear how much effort they are going to to fix any issues they're having with the film. Hopefully this will do some good work in fixing the problems that cropped up for people during tests.
Great news really. 3 weeks of shooting is a big chunk I'm keen as
Hope this makes for a better third act. Glad they saw that there were things that didn't work and opted to reshoot. Some filmmakers wouldn't care and push on with a release. Same for some studios as well.
Now that I think about it. This is kind of like the Original PREDATOR! Monster wasn't working, filming shutdown. Edited what was filmed together, studio saw something worthwhile was there. Enter Stan Winston, Kevin Peter Hall and co. . Third act totally reworked and filmed. Blam! Classic made. Not saying the results will be mirrored here. Just thought it ironic.
Either way, I cannot wait to see the trailer!
I think they just went from a giant shark movie staring the Predator to an actual Predator movie.
Quote from: JungleHunter87 on Apr 12, 2018, 08:16:44 AM
Now that I think about it. This is kind of like the Original PREDATOR! Monster wasn't working, filming shutdown. Edited what was filmed together, studio saw something worthwhile was there. Enter Stan Winston, Kevin Peter Hall and co. . Third act totally reworked and filmed. Blam! Classic made. Not saying the results will be mirrored here. Just thought it ironic.
That's actually a really good point! I'd forgotten about all the difficulties the original Predator faced during its production.
Total disaster, lol.
Yeah, yeah, I know reshoots to pick up shots are normal but changing entire plotpoints like this never ends well. Combined with the fact that the script is garbage and Shane Black is a television director who has no business putting movies in theaters (Nice Guys was mediocre and the MCU is the cinematic equivalent to McDonalds food, IM3 is no exception) anyone who still thinks this movie is going to be good is fooling themselves.
It all depends on the nature of those who attended the screening. Whether they were the usual highschool teenagers---alas, cinema's preferred target demographic, and the reason most stuff is all commercialised, watered down and edited like MTV videos these days---or an audience who understands what a predator movie really ought to be like... well, I guess we'll find out. But if the feedback they say they got and took onboard is true (i.e. too funny) then hey, maybe we have a reason to be excited.
(NB: all of this is still based on useless speculation, conjecture and gut feeling of course... but I try to remain positive...!)
So, the movie had lots of forced humor in it like in the mcu movies, like IM3... Strange that test audiences made a good call for once, but still, i dont trust reshoots
I hope the orginal 3rd act will be available on the blu ray... but I doubt it.
Well hope its sorted out but that we also get the original third act as deleted scenes on the DVD/Blu Ray
I don't know if I should be excited or worried about this news , I had the feeling when the reshoot news broke a month or so back , it was more than a few reshoots, even though certain members were saying its normal , and I agree it usually is , but I knew they were significantly changing things. So there is hope this film might actually be decent.
This could be good news or bad news depending on how you look at it , I'm hoping it's good but my gut says otherwise , I still think something went seriously wrong in the production, and we will only find out what that was after the film comes out , fox really need to drop that trailer before people just start switching off from it altogether.
@YouKnowImRight.... your in the minority who think MCU is McDonald's food , iron man 3 was good , not great but better than your implying, the fact of the matter is production levels are sky high with Disney , the type that predator could really do with , they clearly put a lot of effort and love into every marvel film they make , sorry bud their box office success, proves the films are top notch , infinity war wouldn't be so anticipated, if everything that went before was garbage , would it ?
I hope with this they took the opportunity to
Spoiler
grant more kills to the upgrade, considering he's very present in the third act it's totally plausible
2.5 third act is fifty Third act. In Rogue One was 43% .More more more than all Third Act, More than 2.5 Third act. Was last hour complete. Is not similary.Is other sport.
Is normal reshoots of three weeks. First Class is similar case or X-Men Future past.
I couldn't read the comment below , can someone elaborate on what he was trying to say please ....
The comment said that you aren't invited to his Birthday party. That's what I gathered anyway. :P
I guess he's saying that The Predator has more changes than Rogue one.
Not too worried about reshoots, what I ám worried about is the plot and the track record of Shane Black pulling a one trick pony. To a degree, I even liked Iron Man 3, but it also did the same as kiss, kiss and the other guys.
Zackpred12... lmao 😂 that's what I made of it too bud , but honestly it was like someone drunk or on something that wrote that ;D
Quote from: acrediblesource on Feb 03, 2018, 09:30:12 PM
I need Arnold to be in the movie to make sure there is another Predator film. Otherwise, its downhill from here!
Long Live Dutch!!!!!
No.
Just, no.
Lolol
Yeah I agree , putting Arnold in just for the sake of it is just gimicky, unless he was given I proper role , I really don't see the point in including him, unless of course it opens up the possibility of him appearing in future instalments. Even then less face facts , Arnold is past it , I think the role of Dutch should either be given to someone else , or left out altogether, although after saying all this , I still believe Dutch is the key to a coherent story , something the predator films have never really been able to nail.. Yano continuation ..???
Quote from: ELDERCLANLEADER on Apr 12, 2018, 05:51:35 PM
Yeah I agree , putting Arnold in just for the sake of it is just gimicky, unless he was given I proper role , I really don't see the point in including him, unless of course it opens up the possibility of him appearing in future instalments. Even then less face facts , Arnold is past it , I think the role of Dutch should either be given to someone else , or left out altogether, although after saying all this , I still believe Dutch is the key to a coherent story , something the predator films have never really been able to nail.. Yano continuation ..???
Yeah, no. Arnold is Dutch and vice versa. It's like saying because you want Ripley back, but because Sigourney is too old. That they should recast. Those roles are iconic for a number of reasons, one of which is because of who played them. Recasting Arnold's role as Dutch would really stir up the hornets nest.
Like you said in the majority of your post. Either write Arnold's part as more than a throw away cameo in the film or leave him out all together. Also just because Arnold is old, doesn't mean he has to fight a Predator. He could be coordinating a team or something to that effect. Without the need to get all kitted up.
And Arnold would hardly guarantee a sequel. Because we're totally hip deep in Last Stand and Sabotage movies right about now.
Quote from: KiramidHead on Apr 12, 2018, 09:19:57 PM
And Arnold would hardly guarantee a sequel. Because we're totally hip deep in Last Stand and Sabotage movies right about now.
Sadly, a very true statement.
This film ( and any sequels ) need to stand on their own merits. Arnold would just be icing on the cake if utilized properly. But, really his showing up in the reshot third act. Won't mean a whole lot if the rest of the film turns out to be terrible.
I'd honestly be more game for a Danny Glover cameo. Poor guy is stuck making DTV films with Trejo.
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Quote from: KiramidHead on Apr 12, 2018, 09:19:57 PM
And Arnold would hardly guarantee a sequel. Because we're totally hip deep in Last Stand and Sabotage movies right about now.
Sadly, a very true statement.
This film ( and any sequels ) need to stand on their own merits. Arnold would just be icing on the cake if utilized properly. But, really his showing up in the reshot third act. Won't mean a whole lot if the rest of the film turns out to be terrible.
If written and acted well it could bring a shot in the veins for the next sequel
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Great news.
Sounds like they've listened to the test screenings and the Social Media outcries.
Hopefully this will right a few of the wrongs in the film.
Could it be that the practical effects weren't any good in the first batch of shooting? From what I can gather, Act III is the meat of the film, isn't it?
Quote from: KiramidHead on Apr 12, 2018, 09:32:59 PM
I'd honestly be more game for a Danny Glover cameo. Poor guy is stuck making DTV films with Trejo.
I would love to see Danny return as well. I'm not sure how that would work story wise? Hell, I'd love BOTH Arnold and Danny showing up. Sadly I don't see that ever happening. I know there's that old PREDATOR 3 Gladiator script with Dutch and Harrigan. Aside from that though. I've not heard how Harrigan's story could conceivably continue.
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Quote from: KiramidHead on Apr 12, 2018, 09:32:59 PM
I'd honestly be more game for a Danny Glover cameo. Poor guy is stuck making DTV films with Trejo.
I would love to see Danny return as well. I'm not sure how that would work story wise? Hell, I'd love BOTH Arnold and Danny showing up. Sadly I don't see that ever happening. I know there's that old PREDATOR 3 Gladiator script with Dutch and Harrigan. Aside from that though. I've not heard how Harrigan's story could conceivably continue.
He gets asked to come along, says "I'm too old for this shit" and leaves.
I'm sorry, but I feel as though Dutch should have a cameo in the middle of the film rather than the end ( if at all) (if I was the writer). I don't feel as if Dutch needs to play a huge part in this film or future films. Remember how awesome it was when Dutch first graced the screen in the original? How he carried himself around the General and Agent Dillon? How kick ass would it be if he walked into the facility (spoiler***area52) and gave advice to the team? Or even gave his two cents in on the whole facility/ operation...like Ian Malcom is to Jurassic Park.
I figured there were serious changes involved with this. Fantastic news though. Dropping the humor in favor of more horror is music to my ears. Thumbs up to whoever made this decision. My interest in this film is renewed.
Changing the third act wouldn't do away with the humor. It's all over the script.
Quote from: KiramidHead on Apr 12, 2018, 10:03:55 PM
Changing the third act wouldn't do away with the humor. It's all over the script.
Maybe not do away with. But, toned down is most likely what they mean. Lowering the humor and raising the suspense.
Quote from: KiramidHead on Apr 12, 2018, 10:03:55 PM
Changing the third act wouldn't do away with the humor. It's all over the script.
At least there'll be less of it, so it seems. I never saw the script though. Was it really that rough?
Junglehunter87 .... I agree my friend , Dutch is arnold vice versa , I was just coming up with ways to get around it , but in all honesty I'd rather just leave him out altogether, than a cliched cameo appearance. I just think the predator series lacks a coherent story that has continuation , Iv always believed Dutch was the answer , but I guess I'll never find out now , as for Dutch having a role that doesn't include getting kitted up , I agree it could be done , but I just think Arnold's acting isn't quite up to the task anymore . But I could be wrong ..
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Quote from: KiramidHead on Apr 12, 2018, 10:03:55 PM
Changing the third act wouldn't do away with the humor. It's all over the script.
At least there'll be less of it, so it seems. I never saw the script though. Was it really that rough?
I wouldn't call it rough. There's plenty of humor, some which misses, but most of it works. The third act was an overextended mess, though. That's what I'm hoping the reshoots fix.
YouKnowImRight.... what exactly is your point that your trying to make? If the majority of marvel fans enjoy the films , so what's the problem ?
Just because they don't appeal to you , doesn't mean they are not good films to everyone else.
So no you are not right at all pal and it borderlines elitism what your implying .
The fact is most of us don't want complicated storylines , when it comes to superheroes , we know who is good and who is bad. We just want super heroes smashing each other to bits.
They are popcorn flicks and always will be , if we are sheep to you , I really don't care . Every marvel film that comes out , is more ground breaking than the last , both commercially and critically, so your logic about Disney throwing anything out there is deeply flawed. People wouldn't go and watch them if they were bad. Look at black panthers success, the most successful super hero film of all time already , it makes me shiver knowing the success infinity war is going to bring . You are in a minority.
Reshoots are to tone it down for the Kids rating on Netflix.
Quote from: Vermillion on Apr 13, 2018, 01:27:51 AM
Reshoots are to tone it down for the Kids rating on Netflix.
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Quote from: Vermillion on Apr 13, 2018, 01:27:51 AM
Reshoots are to tone it down for the Kids rating on Netflix.
Let's tone down the trolling a teeny bit more, Verm.
So that means,
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Keegan Michael Key's character won't die too early ?
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I believe
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his death in the script and the tested film were actually different anyway.
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Apr 13, 2018, 08:34:37 AM
I believe
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his death in the script and the tested film were actually different anyway.
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How did he die in the script and test screenings?
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Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Apr 13, 2018, 08:34:37 AM
I believe
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his death in the script and the tested film were actually different anyway.
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How did he die in the script and test screenings?
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in the script he is killed by a hybrid on the tanker. But kills the hybrid in the process.
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Quote from: funk_master_chunk on Apr 13, 2018, 09:54:20 AM
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Apr 13, 2018, 08:34:37 AM
I believe
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his death in the script and the tested film were actually different anyway.
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How did he die in the script and test screenings?
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in the script he is killed by a hybrid on the tanker. But kills the hybrid in the process.
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Thanks. Looks like that's what's going on in the set pics, at least. Bits of Spider Pred everywhere. Interested to know how he dies now, though.
Damn
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he died like a badass, i liked it, hope if they changed it they kept the badass aspect of his death
Quote from: Huggs on Apr 12, 2018, 10:16:34 PM
Quote from: KiramidHead on Apr 12, 2018, 10:03:55 PM
Changing the third act wouldn't do away with the humor. It's all over the script.
At least there'll be less of it, so it seems. I never saw the script though. Was it really that rough?
In all honesty it was really funny, too funny IMO for a predator movie, even though it wasn't a comedy either.
I'm glad they are toning down the humour , I don't mind some jokes , sure the original was full of one liners but turning it into joke fest , takes something away for me . As crazy as I might sound, if there are aliens out there , I reckon some sort of species of alien , might resemble something akin to predator, so for me there should be an element of seriousness.
Quote from: KiramidHead on Apr 12, 2018, 10:32:25 PM
I wouldn't call it rough. There's plenty of humor, some which misses, but most of it works. The third act was an overextended mess, though. That's what I'm hoping the reshoots fix.
I'm happy they're taking their time and making decisions that will hopefully make the movie better instead of rushing it out. I bet test screening audiences have similar opinions to you and others here. I would like if they released the alternate ending though after The Predator is in and out of theaters. I'd be curious to see it.
Quote from: Hollywood on Apr 13, 2018, 03:28:14 PM
Quote from: KiramidHead on Apr 12, 2018, 10:32:25 PM
I wouldn't call it rough. There's plenty of humor, some which misses, but most of it works. The third act was an overextended mess, though. That's what I'm hoping the reshoots fix.
I'm happy they're taking their time and making decisions that will hopefully make the movie better instead of rushing it out. I bet test screening audiences have similar opinions to you and others here. I would like if they released the alternate ending though after The Predator is in and out of theaters. I'd be curious to see it.
The ending was kinda over the top, but i would like to see it as well if possible.
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I really liked the swamp location though, new and could be interesting visually, hope they keep just that.
They confirmed the reason why they made reshoots, because they recreated the third act from scratch. But the information itself doesnt tell anything about less humor, so. . why this site speaking about the humor aspect that was toned down is beyond me. Someone here just saying something non-official, and thats all. Nice try avpgalaxy.
Quote from: Petr Švancara on Apr 13, 2018, 05:54:18 PM
They confirmed the reason why they made reshoots, because they recreated the third act from scratch. But the information itself doesnt tell anything about less humor, so. . why this site speaking about the humor aspect that was toned down is beyond me. Someone here just saying something non-official, and thats all. Nice try avpgalaxy.
Because the humor was tuned down in the test screening, that's why. And also because most of the set photos were darker than before, and that it could be related.
BigDaddyJohn - Wrong! Wrong! In the last test screening, people was complaining about the humor. Since the last test screening we only think that reshoot was done in order to tone the humor down, but it was only a theory. And it was a false theory, because now we have confirmation that reshoots was established in order to entirely change the final act. Where is the whole "humor is toned down" confirmation, huh? You should rather pay attention on what was said before and what is said now, reshoots change the third part of the movie, that is official statement of one of the actors. The whole "humor is toned down" words was made just by the avpgalaxy. Article say - Apparently, the reshoots were intended to tone that (humor) down in favor of more of a horror element. THIS is just a pure speculation by someone from this website, nothing more. There is a zero word about anything in regards of any humor from Keegan-Michael Key himself. So?
As long as they keep Casey's decontamination scene intact, I'm good. :-* ;) :laugh:
Hahaha naughty boy
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As long as they keep Casey's decontamination scene intact, I'm good. :-* ;) [emoji23]
Haha, sounds pretty hot, what about her other scene?
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The humor was the same in the test
Quote from: zackpred12 on Apr 12, 2018, 09:53:45 PM
I'm sorry, but I feel as though Dutch should have a cameo in the middle of the film rather than the end ( if at all) (if I was the writer). I don't feel as if Dutch needs to play a huge part in this film or future films. Remember how awesome it was when Dutch first graced the screen in the original? How he carried himself around the General and Agent Dillon? How kick ass would it be if he walked into the facility (spoiler***area52) and gave advice to the team? Or even gave his two cents in on the whole facility/ operation...like Ian Malcom is to Jurassic Park.
Anything along these lines would've been way too simple and would have been too easy to execute.
Instead Fox and Black had to think "big" go full blown "comic book" and say "who cares" to any previous possible story line-over-due for expansion. Who cares if that's what's been missing all along since the 90's.
I mean where has a formula that brought back an original well-beloved character that was entrenched in the first film, who's story was expanded and made richer and to introduce and inject new hero's and/or characters into a franchise, ever worked ever???? (And best to avoid the beloved-character in the case he's "too old". Old people definitely don't work in action movies.)
Not Aliens
Not the recent Blade Runner
Not T2
Not the first 3 Die-Hard's
Not Blade 2
Not any of the Star Wars
Not the Dark Knights
Not Any of the Mad Max's
Not the recent Wolverine
Not Lethal Weapon 4
Not John Wick
Not Any of the Rocky's
Not the 2008 Rambo
No. Let's make this about the Predators they are the main focus. Let's have the audience "bond" with a good Predator or two and his story.
No one cares about the previous cool-well-known character(s) and integrating an actual story focusing on them, having the Predator be this mysterious force that drives the character(s) actions, as that would make for a horrible movie.
What they got now is definitely a good formula.
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Apr 13, 2018, 08:03:55 AM
Quote from: Vermillion on Apr 13, 2018, 01:27:51 AM
Reshoots are to tone it down for the Kids rating on Netflix.
Let's tone down the trolling a teeny bit more, Verm.
Roger
For what i said earlier my bad, you are all right ! I totally mispoke sorry :laugh: It wasn't tuned down during the test screenings, i wanted to say that it was probably taken into consideration by fox in order to tune it down later. But obviously we have no official confirmation for that either, yes.
Quote from: BigDaddyJohn on Apr 15, 2018, 12:04:59 PM
For what i said earlier my bad, you are all right ! I totally mispeak sorry :laugh: I wasn't tuned down during the test screenings, i wanted to say that it was probably taken into consideration by fox in order to tune it down later. But obviously we have no official confirmation for that either, yes.
If enough people in the test screenings had the same feedback about the humor, Fox for sure took it into consideration. That's the whole point of the test screenings at least. They can't take out all the humor if they primarily changed the third act but who knows what they can do with editing.
I'm in total agreement with you on that, the ending kinda made it sound too sloppy, I liked mostly everything leading up to it
Hollywood I'm curious as to why you seem to contradict yourself a lot ? Last time I spoke to you, you made it out and argued for days with me o that in your opinion the screenings were not negative as two people didn't like it and one did , "so it was hardly negative" is what you said . Now it seems you acknowledge that the screenings were bad after all ?
Also I wanted to highlight the fact that many members have described predator as being mysterious since we had that debate. So it's not only me that thinks that.
Most of us think that certain things about predator should be kept a mystery, and I whole heartedly agree.
Quote me directly, EVIL. I don't feel I'm contradicting myself at all. Seems like so long ago, honestly, the only thing I remember is you begging me to stop taking you to school or something before changing your name and picture. I trust Corporal when he said:
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Do we have any reactions to the test screening other than the one saying that it's horrible?
Not publicly but I've heard from folk who just hated it and from those that really enjoyed once they got over it wasn't the typical Predator formula.
If the additional shooting toned down humor then it's a result of mixed (not overtly negative) screenings. And if the humor wasnt toned down then I believe it's not a problem in the first place.
Hollywood I said the same thing to you, months back, and you just argued and argued with me. In fact practically everything I said you tried to pick a fight over. I said predator is supposed to be mysterious, you argued about that , I said predators are supposed to be near invincible , you argued with me on that , yet other members have said the same thing and you don't argue with them.
I'm just curious, how when I say something you don't listen and try to debate with me but when another member says the same thing you do listen.
That's where your contradictions are, and it seems awfully biased to who you "like" and who you don't, from where I'm standing. Just wanted to point that out.
Also the fact they have changed the entire third act, tells us the screenings were not mixed but were negative, no studio would reshoot that much film and waste that much money if the screenings were mixed. It's fair to say the screenings were overwhelmingly negative, otherwise we would have a trailer by now , and the third act would remain the same .
You're making general statements as to what I've said and conveniently not quoting me directly. You haven't said the exact same as others, you're hyperbolic with nearly all information we get and tend to lean towards the negative with it.
I listen to everything you said from your comparing Predators to Harry Potter and Spiderman, to saying their motivations should not change and they die too easy. I'm not ignoring you, just disagreeing and stating why I disagree.
I'm not contradicting myself just because you feel upset at my "bias" against you - I haven't even interacted with you in months. I think you're the one who wants to argue for some reason. I stand by everything I say.
stop fighting kids.
Do you really need me to go through the threads and start pulling those quotes out ? Because I will if I have to. I used Harry Potter and spiderman as examples about not going against fan wishes and the importance of character development. And yes fox is killing predators off to easily , the evidence is in the films, we go from the first , basically the entire spec ops gets killed barring Dutch , the same formula for the second , avp comes out 3 pred deaths then to 2010s predators and four predator deaths were on screen ,predators are dropping dead quicker than a may fly these days.
I don't need you to do anything, really. But if you insist on harping on about discussions that took place months ago then I'd prefer you quote me directly.
Nah it's not worth it bud , it would take me for ever on a iPhone, just wanted to point out that people are watching what you are saying , and I will pull you when you are going against something you have said previously. And indeed you did that and you know it ! ;D
And please enlighten me , what good news has come out about this film , that's exciting ? Is there any wonder why some of us sound negative ?
Damn all that and you haven't found any evidence of me contradicting myself. Good luck with that chip on the shoulder, EVIL.
I don't need evidence Hollywood , stop being weird man. I know what you said I remember everything. If you wasn't biased you would hold your hands up and say "yeah I got that wrong " but you can't do it , can you.? I said the exact same thing as hicks and you ridiculed me for it , hicks says the same thing and suddenly it's the truth ( hicks not a dig at you bro ) just putting the facts together.
Alright gents. No point in having an argument over stuff that took place in the past if you're not going to actually get the posts you're talking about. If you can't/wont provide the quotes, move on.
I suppose don't try and fight with me for months for expressing my opinion, and the opinions of many others and expect i won't pull you for it later on.
Enough, please. We're not in a school yard.
Quote from: The Wolverine Predator on Apr 16, 2018, 11:25:41 AM
I'm in total agreement with you on that, the ending kinda made it sound too sloppy, I liked mostly everything leading up to it
As someone who didn't read the script, that's encouraging to hear.
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Quote from: The Wolverine Predator on Apr 16, 2018, 11:25:41 AM
I'm in total agreement with you on that, the ending kinda made it sound too sloppy, I liked mostly everything leading up to it
As someone who didn't read the script, that's encouraging to hear.
Yeah the first two acts contains a few peculiar stuff but are really cool overall !
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I'm in total agreement with you on that, the ending kinda made it sound too sloppy, I liked mostly everything leading up to it
As someone who didn't read the script, that's encouraging to hear.
Yeah the first two acts contains a few peculiar stuff but are really cool overall !
Just for the sake of asking, is it still floating around out there?
I dont see a problem in sharing the original script anymore as i dare say its been rewritten enough where maybe only 30-50% remain.
So if anyone wants a copy im happy to pass it on to the diehard fans only, and at a price ( Im kidding ).
See us Australians are lovely people
I'd like it, only for future reference.
Quote from: Ramjet311 on Apr 19, 2018, 05:41:02 AM
I dont see a problem in sharing the original script anymore as i dare say its been rewritten enough where maybe only 30-50% remain.
So if anyone wants a copy im happy to pass it on to the diehard fans only, and at a price ( Im kidding ).
See us Australians are lovely people
please 🙏🏽
I will be sharing it via the site after the film has come out regardless.
Man, i'm so glad i didn't read that and going in mostly "unprepared".
Not only does reading a script before ruin the experience, but now it's not even that relevant anymore and lots of energy in trashing that early draft was for nothing.
Hicks I take it fox barred you from posting it correct ? Does that mean fox has influence on the site ? Just curious that's all... ???
@johnny handsome it's way too early to say what made the final film , at this point it's all speculation, until we get to either see a trailer or see the film .. I'm backing a large portion of the script remains unchanged.
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Hicks I take it fox barred you from posting it correct ? Does that mean fox has influence on the site ? Just curious that's all... ???
I could post it if I wanted. But then Fox would be contacting us,
threatening us with legal action to remove it. Things like early script leaks or leaked set pictures are normally jumped on quite early by Fox's legal department.
Ahh I see , that's a shame my man. I wonder how they would go about legal action , but yeah it's probably best not to find out lol ;D
Quote from: Johnny Handsome on Apr 19, 2018, 12:20:26 PM
Man, i'm so glad i didn't read that and going in mostly "unprepared".
Not only does reading a script before ruin the experience, but now it's not even that relevant anymore and lots of energy in trashing that early draft was for nothing.
I didnt read it either but feel like I know a little too much with some discussions on the site going without spoiler tags. Now I don't know what's been changed, kept or scrapped so that's good.
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Quote from: Johnny Handsome on Apr 19, 2018, 12:20:26 PM
Man, i'm so glad i didn't read that and going in mostly "unprepared".
Not only does reading a script before ruin the experience, but now it's not even that relevant anymore and lots of energy in trashing that early draft was for nothing.
I didnt read it either but feel like I know a little too much with some discussions on the site going without spoiler tags. Now I don't know what's been changed, kept or scrapped so that's good.
so much energy went into trashing it I took a break from coming here because mostly spoilers were being discussed. I am still considering not watching the trailer so I go in as fresh as possible
Just found out that they extended the schedule of the reshoots, 12 days were planned for reshoots, they ended up with 18.
While they did reshoots, they not only did outdoor, but also again at Mammoth Studios:
https://www.instagram.com/p/BhRGKgLheyD/?taken-by=lord_tennyson
https://www.instagram.com/p/BhNyWO9hohc/?taken-by=lord_tennyson
https://www.instagram.com/p/Bgi1-AIjNFr/?taken-by=lord_tennyson
https://www.instagram.com/p/Bg76EMgBREC/?taken-by=lord_tennyson
https://www.instagram.com/p/BhZmH4UBIYc/?taken-by=lord_tennyson
This was at pitt meadows:
https://www.instagram.com/p/BgYZ6CpHBhX/?taken-by=guy_rolando
This movie is gonna look awesome, the atmosphere they are creating with each shot will be really cool.
Quote from: Johnny Handsome on Apr 20, 2018, 12:23:56 PM
Just found out that they extended the schedule of the reshoots, 12 days were planned for reshoots, they ended up with 18.
While they did reshoots, they not only did outdoor, but also again at Mammoth Studios:
This movie is gonna look awesome, the atmosphere they are creating with each shot will be really cool.
Whoa nice find! You're right about it looking awesome that last pic is so good!
Yes it looks cool, but where is the shooting from Florida?)))) Hello readers Brand and Tetsujin and yes ... Brand ... less fanaticism.
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Yes it looks cool, but where is the shooting from Florida?)))) Hello readers Brand and Tetsujin and yes ... Brand ... less fanaticism.
You mean for the ending ?
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Quote from: black on Apr 20, 2018, 08:48:04 PM
Yes it looks cool, but where is the shooting from Florida?)))) Hello readers Brand and Tetsujin and yes ... Brand ... less fanaticism.
You mean for the ending ?
Yeah
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Quote from: BigDaddyJohn on Apr 20, 2018, 09:53:18 PM
Quote from: black on Apr 20, 2018, 08:48:04 PM
Yes it looks cool, but where is the shooting from Florida?)))) Hello readers Brand and Tetsujin and yes ... Brand ... less fanaticism.
You mean for the ending ?
Yeah
Maybe they changed the location too. Possible considering they've apparently changed most of the third act, so maybe the location too
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Quote from: black on Apr 20, 2018, 08:48:04 PM
Yes it looks cool, but where is the shooting from Florida?)))) Hello readers Brand and Tetsujin and yes ... Brand ... less fanaticism.
You mean for the ending ?
Yeah
Maybe they changed the location too. Possible considering they'll apparently changed most of the third act, so maybe the location too
I think this is too difficult and expensive for re-shooting. We have two exotic locations in the beginning and at the end, and all the shots take place only in the forests in Vancouver. Where is all this? Judging by the last photo with Fong and Holbrook, then the entry will clearly be somewhere in the jungle.
I think the beginning will remain mostly unchanged
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so the jungle it is
. But what do you think about
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the initial swamp ending location ? I personally really liked it, a new location like this in a predator movie would've been cool. I'm not talking about the actual fight, it was a little bit over the top for me so i'm glad they changed it. I would like to see a swamp location appear though.
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so the jungle it is
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the initial swamp ending location ? I personally really liked it, a new location like this in a predator movie would've been cool. I'm not talking about the actual fight, it was a little bit over the top for me so i'm glad they changed it. I would like to see a swamp location appear though.
Maybe the introduction did not change, but where did they find the jungle in Vancouver? They did it in the pavilion? It's too much work and it's easier on nature. And about the ending yes I liked the location but not the action ... it even pains to remember !!!
I think it's filmed in a studio, with the use of CGI of course. But i agree, i think it's a lot better when it's in a natural environment.
They might have dropped
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Florida
since Fox loves filming cheaply in British Columbia. Every other X-Men movie films in the exact same forest. :laugh:
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Cuba or Mexico as well?
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No cuban pete..
no winsome babes in daisy dukes..
:(
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No cuban pete..
no winsome babes in daisy dukes..
:(
Fear not, rednecks and taco trucks exist in all corners of the US.
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No cuban pete..
no winsome babes in daisy dukes..
:(
Shame i like that part... The gator joke got me good :laugh:
I wonder who could play Cutter though... No sign of him in the casting list, maybe they changed his name, or scrapped his part...
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No cuban pete..
no winsome babes in daisy dukes..
:(
Shame i like that part... The gator joke got me good [emoji23]
I wonder who could play Cutter though... No sign of him in the casting list, maybe they changed his name, or scrapped his part...
Yeah I just thought about that
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Florida
No cuban pete..
no winsome babes in daisy dukes..
:(
Shame i like that part... The gator joke got me good [emoji23]
I wonder who could play Cutter though... No sign of him in the casting list, maybe they changed his name, or scrapped his part...
Yeah I just thought about that
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I'd bank on there being no Cutter in the movie. He doesn't really add anything and then just disappears at the end.
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They might have dropped Spoiler
Florida
No cuban pete..
no winsome babes in daisy dukes..
:(
Shame i like that part... The gator joke got me good [emoji23]
I wonder who could play Cutter though... No sign of him in the casting list, maybe they changed his name, or scrapped his part...
Yeah I just thought about that
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I'd bank on there being no Cutter in the movie. He doesn't really add anything and then just disappears at the end.
True :laugh:
Anyway i like the fact that they changed act 3, i hope the final battle is modified,
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it's incoherent that the upgrade withstand plasmacaster shots easily but stumbles back when shot by human firearms, even though being weakened, that's just bullets ! Compared to plasma shots that's probably nothing !
BidDaddyJohn - Why they create such a nonsense? I mean, why not make it good for the first time. They made reshoots, Im more than okey with it, hell. . Im really glad for it, it made me happy. . but once again, why? Shane Black is not capable to made it good on the first try? These reshoots basically give the whole movie a second chance. If he will be really that good and experienced, he would made it perfect straight from the beginning. It seems that In this case, reshoots are something like a film repair process, huh. And it already slightly damaged the film itself, because the whole damn trailer and everything behind it is coming a little bit later to us.
Once again my hopes are not strong guys , I have the script and it's not pretty out there. Even with the third act changed I think it's a dangerous game fox are playing with the franchise.
Petr you being very categorical about movie making process.
"If he will be really that good and experienced, he would made it perfect straight from the beginning." This is very simplistic view on the movie buisness. Damn even experienced directors do make not suscesful movies, Redley Scott (Alien), John Mctiernan (Predator) did make questionable movies too. So this is very closeminded view on the whole movie craft thing. Same about artist, sometimes even expirienced and good artist can make not a good or to say "not popular" art piece.
Azamultic - You dont get what Im trying to say, Im not talking about bad movies from good directors or vice versa. . Im talking here because Shane Black reshoot the ENTIRE third act, and thats really important fact. Dont you get it? How many directors reshoot that much amount of material in their movies? This is for sure not a common thing, is it happens? Yes, it happens sometimes, but its not normal. Do you remember what Shane said long before? He said, that this would be an event movie (funny, still no marketing) and he also said that this Predator film will have the biggest budget. . dont you understand that the ENTIRE third act is now completely deleted? In other words. . part of the budget is now gone, just because they throw the first already filmed version of that part of the movie out of the window! Do you think that they have unlimited resources, and cash for this kind of nonsense behaviour? Maybe, but it is for sure expensive. . and we still dont know how this "rodeo" can harm the movie itself, and thats the damn reason of why Im talking about this. In the normal way, they should made the movie somehow good on their first try, sure. . they can made mistakes, but remember that when you made mistake. . you will always pay for it. And this is serious film production, and not some homework from the school that you can always repeat, do you understand that difference? This is business, its all about money. So, if they reshoot that much, it could badly harm the overall movie development in some way. No surprise that they give us the damn trailer that late (some people in Cinemacon already see it) especially when they must rework a significant amount of their previous material. And now tell me that everything behind this is looking good, tell me that there is zero negative informations, and dont forget that the original first and second act from the film is still unchanged.
It wasn't the ENTIRE third act
Guys, i understand that the news about the reshoots can be worrisome, but movies with excessive reshoots can turn out very good.
Lets take the first Predator, they shut down the production so long that Arnold went to film "The Running Man" in the meantime, they rewrote the entire third act, the original ending had the showdown on the Predator ship for example.
They had to reshoot all cloaking shots, Predator shots etc... for the better, without that no one would be here talking about the movie.
Don't doom the movie just yet.
I have to agree with Johnny here. People are too quick to just go into panic mode and declare the film as doomed. We haven't seen it. We've only got access to parts of it. Let's actually wait to see the finished product before forming a final opinion.
Who here remember the Jean Claude Van Damme pray mantis? 'nough said about reshoots.
Even for someone like me who's pessimistic about
the quality of the film , I'm pretty sure it will better than predators , and that to me can only be a good thing. Watching Adrien Brody pretend to be Dutch was just a cheese fest. Anything has gotta be better than that.
Actual Hybrid ... I don't think it was intentionally cringy though.
Quote from: ELDERCLANLEADER on Apr 23, 2018, 04:31:22 PM
Once again my hopes are not strong guys , I have the script and it's not pretty out there. Even with the third act changed I think it's a dangerous game fox are playing with the franchise.
Can you give some "general" examples of what you think is "a dangerous game"????
Original predator hi my friend , I cannot really say without spoilers , but it's fair to say it's not the predator formula we are all used to , naturally that is going to upset a lot of fans. That's what I meant by a dangerous game. I read the script again a few days ago and I have come to like the plot , there are still a few wtf moments , but overall it's not as bad as I first thought.
I know iv contradicted myself I apologise for that , honestly I don't think the plot is anywhere near as bad as people have made out , including myself. Now I have read it a few times it's grown on me to be honest. My only issue is the comedic tone.
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Original predator hi my friend , I cannot really say without spoilers , but it's fair to say it's not the predator formula we are all used to , naturally that is going to upset a lot of fans. That's what I meant by a dangerous game. I read the script again a few days ago and I have come to like the plot , there are still a few wtf moments , but overall it's not as bad as I first thought.
I know iv contradicted myself I apologise for that , honestly I don't think the plot is anywhere near as bad as people have made out , including myself. Now I have read it a few times it's grown on me to be honest. My only issue is the comedic tone.
Ahhh finally ! :laugh:
You're joining in the positive bandwagon ! Haha more seriously though, too much humor can be dangerous IMO, but i honestly liked a lot of the jokes and comical situations,
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the loonies at McKenna's wife house, Coyle's jokes about Baxley's mom, some of the humor they display in Florida... worked well with me ;D
BigDaddyJohn .. yeah I guess I am actually , perhaps I'm lazy and don't like change.
Some of the jokes works but too much and it kills it , this is my concern too.
I don't know but there is plenty to sink our teeth into when it comes out. ;)
I'm really afraid they will undermine what has been estsablished in previous films. In a way, Predators did that too.
Skull splitter that was my fear too , but Iv come to like the new take on the aliens reasons for being here. It's still not a road I would of gone down if I was making it however, I suppose Iv realised I can kick and scream as much as I want it's not going to xhange anything the film is coming the way it is, so I better find reasons now for liking it.
ELDERCLANLEADER my friend I am surprised(in a good way) by your optimistic approach! :)
Quote from: ELDERCLANLEADER on Apr 24, 2018, 05:03:26 PM
Skull splitter that was my fear too , but Iv come to like the new take on the aliens reasons for being here. It's still not a road I would of gone down if I was making it however, I suppose Iv realised I can kick and scream as much as I want it's not going to xhange anything the film is coming the way it is, so I better find reasons now for liking it.
Which means the "climate change" agenda will be peddled.
Great. Politics in a Pred film.
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Skull splitter that was my fear too , but Iv come to like the new take on the aliens reasons for being here. It's still not a road I would of gone down if I was making it however, I suppose Iv realised I can kick and scream as much as I want it's not going to xhange anything the film is coming the way it is, so I better find reasons now for liking it.
Which means the "climate change" agenda will be peddled.
Great. Politics in a Pred film.
There was politics in the first Predator movie. In a different way, but politics still.
BigDaddyJohn ... you hit the nail on its head AGAIN!
The original predator was very much a product of its time , Vietnam was still fresh in the public minds of America etc. Predator clearly took inspiration from the films around that time, so I'm of agreement that the first did have political undertones.
Why can't this new film be a product of "our" time ?
@azamatic ... Iv decided to join the dark side mwahahahaha!!!! ;)
ELDERCLANLEADER Welcome to the team, doors open both ways ;)
PS. It would be funny if in the end movie going to suck big time and we are all going to be disappointed and we will say ELDERCLANLEADER and Petr you were right guys mwahahahhaha ;D
I'll be the first to say what an idiot I am for jinxing it 😂
Remember the whole "we are going to die" line in aliens ? Hopefully it's only me that dies and you guys survive ;D
ELDERCLANLEADER man Hicks was badass, still sad that this character died in Aliens. But no, we are not going to leave you comrade ;)
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Skull splitter that was my fear too , but Iv come to like the new take on the aliens reasons for being here. It's still not a road I would of gone down if I was making it however, I suppose Iv realised I can kick and scream as much as I want it's not going to xhange anything the film is coming the way it is, so I better find reasons now for liking it.
Which means the "climate change" agenda will be peddled.
Great. Politics in a Pred film.
If film is to be considered a form of art, then I would say that art and politics have indeed been inseparable for quite some time now. The possibility of a political sermon being worked into a predator film, is not necessarily surprising.
I doubt anyone will walk away thinking the film had purpose in spreading environmental awareness, we'll be too busy high-fiving over the spine rips. Well, I will at least.
I agree huggs , the way I see it things have been going on in the world that are simply unheard of in our time and while I'm not going to turn this page into a political discussion, we live in very dangerous times not seen since the Cold War , to me cinema , art and music should be reflecting our world the way the 70s and 80s did. I'm sure that's why there is such an over saturation in super hero movies at the moment , Yano good vs evil etc because as it stands it's going to need a spiderman or iron man to save us from the mess we have all found ourselves in. Let's not forget Godzilla wouldn't exist without the atomic bombing of Japan. The empire in Star Wars was heavily influenced by the nazis. To the point political under tones in films are nothing new , especially with fantasy, Just my two cents.
Quote from: Stealth_Hunter on Apr 24, 2018, 09:20:43 PM
I doubt anyone will walk away thinking the film had purpose in spreading environmental awareness, we'll be too busy high-fiving over the spine rips. Well, I will at least.
Exactly. It's nothing that will define the film. Politics in film is just par for the course in this day and age.
Climate change is only brought up as part of the world building. It's hardly "peddling an agenda".
Ahhh so now we all know why predator likes being up trees all the time .... he's a tree hugger of course ! Yay! ☮️
Quote from: ELDERCLANLEADER on Apr 25, 2018, 03:15:49 AM
Ahhh so now we all know why predator likes being up trees all the time .... he's a tree hugger of course ! Yay! ☮️
And here I thought it was a bad case of Mysophobia. ;)
@huggs You put a smile to this grouchy face! 😂
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Skull splitter that was my fear too , but Iv come to like the new take on the aliens reasons for being here. It's still not a road I would of gone down if I was making it however, I suppose Iv realised I can kick and scream as much as I want it's not going to xhange anything the film is coming the way it is, so I better find reasons now for liking it.
Which means the "climate change" agenda will be peddled.
Great. Politics in a Pred film.
There was politics in the first Predator movie. In a different way, but politics still.
Correct.
But if it's "politics" used as a form to generate a connection with an antagonist/hero/character(s) it's a 50/50 risk/reward. It's a guarantee you will miff half the audience.
The idea is to have empathy for a group of Pred's and give explanation for "why" they are here...(awe the good Pred's just want a "nice" climate to hunt in....) and it's a bad idea. (Jungle Hunter wasn't taking photos of the landscape and sending them back to the mothership)
Yes, Predator used a current day political climate to place an elite group of Ops in a jungle, nothing more, nothing less. No heart strings attempted to be tugged, no strings attached.
Clearly there is a difference.
You think their goal is to tug at our heart strings with this film?
That's not what the climate change is there for. It's just background, to explain the conflict.
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You think their goal is to tug at our heart strings with this film?
The movie is trying to have the audience "connect" with the "good" Preds in the film. I don't think it's going to be in an over-the-top way foo-foo way, but yes.
Using the Pred as an ally, in-it-of-itself, with "climate" change on their planet as the driver and connecting point, is a mistake and tough sell. Just is.
Quote from: KiramidHead on Apr 25, 2018, 07:32:13 PM
That's not what the climate change is there for. It's just background, to explain the conflict.
There are thousands of ways to "explain" a "conflict" (you or I (and Black) could come up with a thousand better). Black/Fox didn't pull climate change out of a hat.
It's actually a Pretty lame reason for conflict. So Pred planet is cooling, they like the hot climate (Predator connecting point, explains Ann'a comment).
Yeah I agree with original predator for the most part, it's a strange one indeed, i don't understand if our planet is warmer than theirs and they are coming for the heat , why they would then don human clothes ?? Sure you can get round it, but for an action film it is all a bit over the top.
If execution prevails none of
it's a deal breaker for me. I'll just accept it for what it is.
Iv read the script three times now, and when it comes to the friendly predators I get a comic book vibe from it , in a good way. But there's still a good chunk of it that a 12 year old could of made up. I'm hoping it was cleaned up , but probably not. Only time will tell.
"man Hicks was badass, still sad that this character died in Aliens" ohhh shoot, I made mistake, I meant Hudson! ;D
Quote from: ELDERCLANLEADER on Apr 25, 2018, 08:52:22 PM
Yeah I agree with original predator for the most part, it's a strange one indeed, i don't understand if our planet is warmer than theirs and they are coming for the heat , why they would then don human clothes ?? Sure you can get round it, but for an action film it is all a bit over the top.
If execution prevails none of
it's a deal breaker for me. I'll just accept it for what it is.
Iv read the script three times now, and when it comes to the friendly predators I get a comic book vibe from it , in a good way. But there's still a good chunk of it that a 12 year old could of made up. I'm hoping it was cleaned up , but probably not. Only time will tell.
Yeah l dare say alot jas been cleaned up, i maybe wrong but im pretty sure the original draft is written by Fred Dekker, and had no input by Shane Black, so expect plenty of changes. Please correct me if I'm wrong though
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Yeah I agree with original predator for the most part, it's a strange one indeed, i don't understand if our planet is warmer than theirs and they are coming for the heat , why they would then don human clothes ?? Sure you can get round it, but for an action film it is all a bit over the top.
If execution prevails none of
it's a deal breaker for me. I'll just accept it for what it is.
Iv read the script three times now, and when it comes to the friendly predators I get a comic book vibe from it , in a good way. But there's still a good chunk of it that a 12 year old could of made up. I'm hoping it was cleaned up , but probably not. Only time will tell.
Yeah l dare say alot jas been cleaned up, i maybe wrong but im pretty sure the original draft is written by Fred Dekker, and had no input by Shane Black, so expect plenty of changes. Please correct me if I'm wrong though
I sincerely hope it's true... More Black & less Dekker can only be a good thing ;)
I think Coyle's jokes are definitely from Black though :laugh:
Quote from: ELDERCLANLEADER on Apr 24, 2018, 05:03:26 PM
Skull splitter that was my fear too , but Iv come to like the new take on the aliens reasons for being here. It's still not a road I would of gone down if I was making it however, I suppose Iv realised I can kick and scream as much as I want it's not going to xhange anything the film is coming the way it is, so I better find reasons now for liking it.
I'm not that forgiving. I might enjoy it for what it is, but if it does I see it as a independent entry only.
Yeah skull splitter me too , I see it as independent from what I consider true predator canon, to me predator should be something to fear not something to love, the good predator should be left in the comic books imo , but it is what it is , I wouldn't say I'm forgiving , more Iv just accepted it. I still think a true sequel to P1 and p2 should of followed up on the lost tribe , why fox never did that considering the cult following the lost tribe have is beyond me. They are mysterious , the designs were top notch and kick ass , and it hinted at untold stories , like the flint lock. It would of also made the predator series more coherent, I think fox pissed up the opportunity to make serious predator movies the day they decided to make avp and 2010s predators. My hope for this film is that it will be better than avp and predators , I suppose then I could forgive it... maybe. 😂
ELDERCLANLEADER "a true sequel to P1 and p2 should of followed up on the lost tribe , why fox never did that considering the cult following the lost tribe have is beyond me. They are mysterious , the designs were top notch and kick ass , and it hinted at untold stories , like the flint lock. "
my friend here I agree with you, the moment when Harrigan met the lost tribe was my most favourite moment in the whole franchise. It was so epic with the music "Dem Bones" of Alan SIlvestry.
It's Mine too , as good as the first film was , nothing tops that ending in P2 .. I still remember the first time I watched it as a kid , and the holy sh*t moment that came over me lol 😂
There was plenty they could of done with those guys rather than the generic nonsense they have decided to make imo.