[Grain Of Salt] Aliens/3/Resurrection 4K Remasters Inbound

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Acid_Reign161

Quote from: BlueMarsalis79 on Apr 01, 2024, 08:18:14 PMI could never watch one of the DVDs again honestly. Maybe to pine over the menus, but that's all really, I'm interested in Blu-ray and above.

Yeah, I honestly would prefer high resolution over some of the SD transfers, however I'm completely anal about colour grading 😅 (not just for Alien movies, in general). It pains me when you get a beautiful 4k transfer of a movie... and then you see the revised colour that looks nothing remotely like the movie you love, and honestly, it can completely put me off. 😅 Aliens on blu-ray was bittersweet; on one hand it was the best the movie has ever looked visually, with a nice layer of grain retained... but my god, what is Cameron's current boner with turquoise /teal?? 🤮 Like, show me on the doll where the pinks, purples and deep blues  hurt you, Jim! Worst part was, they didn't just apply a filter or do a standard regrade that enthusiasts could easily correct.. no, they completely recoloured individual elements in frames... so even if you attempt to put it back to how it was, something is always the wrong colour in the shot without stupid amounts of time, effort and work to fix it (I've seen some valiant attempts mind you, but they just aren't right) I just don't get it 😅 he did the same shit with Terminator 2.

Ridley isn't as bad for it, though Alien is slowly getting more blue introduced; from the DTheatre release to the blu-ray (which used the same HD master) greys became blue, the derelict interior was recoloured, the Jockey recoloured... they dialed it back a bit with the 4KUHd thankfully, but then they recoloured the pink lense flares from the flashlights (that movies like Alien and John Carpenter's 'The Thing' always had; hell, even Alien Isolation perfectly emulated it) and instead made everything blue.. 😅 it's a lovely 4k transfer, and I admit, still my go to for ease of use (especially when streaming) but I wish they'd just leave them alone. Alien 3 on blu-ray is nice, but it's too desaturated, and looks flat/no depth. Prior to getting a 35mm scan, I attempted a mock 'virtual' 35mm trial by creating a duplicated layer of the blu-ray image in monochrome and overlapping it (to emulate silver retention) and the shadows gained really made a difference in faces to creating depth (obviously it would have required a complete overhaul of colour) but I dunno...I guess it probably bothers me more than majority of folk 😅

Stitch

Quote from: BlueMarsalis79 on Mar 29, 2024, 02:50:25 AMWill have to track them down, I will probably watch Alien 4K for the beautiful HDR and ease of access, but Aliens and Alien³ might not get better for quite some time.
If you want to track them down, please don't just get the rips online. Ask the guy who made them. A lot of effort went into getting them done.

BlueMarsalis79

Quote from: Stitch on Apr 02, 2024, 10:37:50 AM
Quote from: BlueMarsalis79 on Mar 29, 2024, 02:50:25 AMWill have to track them down, I will probably watch Alien 4K for the beautiful HDR and ease of access, but Aliens and Alien³ might not get better for quite some time.
If you want to track them down, please don't just get the rips online. Ask the guy who made them. A lot of effort went into getting them done.

How exactly?

SM

Quote from: Stitch on Apr 02, 2024, 10:37:50 AM
Quote from: BlueMarsalis79 on Mar 29, 2024, 02:50:25 AMWill have to track them down, I will probably watch Alien 4K for the beautiful HDR and ease of access, but Aliens and Alien³ might not get better for quite some time.
If you want to track them down, please don't just get the rips online. Ask the guy who made them. A lot of effort went into getting them done.

Who? Ridley Scott?

Acid_Reign161

Acid_Reign161

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Quote from: Stitch on Apr 02, 2024, 10:37:50 AM
Quote from: BlueMarsalis79 on Mar 29, 2024, 02:50:25 AMWill have to track them down, I will probably watch Alien 4K for the beautiful HDR and ease of access, but Aliens and Alien³ might not get better for quite some time.
If you want to track them down, please don't just get the rips online. Ask the guy who made them. A lot of effort went into getting them done.

I myself am one of the original supporters of that project and agree wholeheartedly with you in supporting the source; though it's (sadly) a bit more complicated than that now. 😢 I think it goes without saying that it was a bit of a kick in the teeth to everyone who had contributed throughout when someone posted them online - not out of some need to be in some 'special club' or hoard classics to ourselves as some suggested, nor was it a money spinner for the project creator; what they didn't understand was that we *gladly* paid the prices for the discs, because it was a non-profit project. Every penny went into the renting of the 35mm reels from collectors, then the cost of the transfers, and then the hours of work and love that was poured into them. The money paid in meant more preservations could happen, and kept the project going. If everyone could just download them online, nobody (or not as many) would pay in, and thus there would be no more transfers, as each movie cost thousands.

That being said, the only reason I even brought up the Alien 35mm transfers here is because (aside from the obvious of them being references to compare to official releases for theatrical accuracy)they are now out in the open, and the project creator (understandably) has made it clear he no longer accepts new supporters /donations from unknowns anymore, with future projects tightly controlled. (I should also note that 35mm transfers of Alien and Aliens already existed online prior to this so I wasn't specifically referencing that project beyond A3; an earlier transfer of Alien did the rounds a few years back, restored from two separate reel sources, and I stumbled on a different transfer of Aliens 35mm a year or so ago by complete accident on the Russian trackers with bonus open matte ending, so technically Alien 3 was the only 'new' addition that we didn't already have (though I do love the extensive colour work done on the newer transfers). Should he ever open doors again, I'll be the first to point everyone his way; more supporters = more movies for us all after all! He's doing gods work. But right now, I don't think he actually *wants* anyone new, and from his announcements, has pretty much accepted that Pandora's box was opened on the earlier releases, and there is no really getting that lid back on. 😔 A small few can certainly spoil it for everyone. I think it's a real shame what went down, but I also feel it's an absolute *travesty* if fans don't have an option or avenue to experience these. I hope for everyone that there is a way doors can be opened to all again.  But as I say; two of the original trilogy had been out there long before all this went down, so I wanna make it absolutely clear that I wasn't suggesting anything that'd be damaging to the preservation project. 😅

E. Shaw

Quote from: Acid_Reign161 on Apr 01, 2024, 09:36:45 PM
Quote from: BlueMarsalis79 on Apr 01, 2024, 08:18:14 PMI could never watch one of the DVDs again honestly. Maybe to pine over the menus, but that's all really, I'm interested in Blu-ray and above.

Yeah, I honestly would prefer high resolution over some of the SD transfers, however I'm completely anal about colour grading 😅 (not just for Alien movies, in general). It pains me when you get a beautiful 4k transfer of a movie... and then you see the revised colour that looks nothing remotely like the movie you love, and honestly, it can completely put me off. 😅 Aliens on blu-ray was bittersweet; on one hand it was the best the movie has ever looked visually, with a nice layer of grain retained... but my god, what is Cameron's current boner with turquoise /teal?? 🤮 Like, show me on the doll where the pinks, purples and deep blues  hurt you, Jim! Worst part was, they didn't just apply a filter or do a standard regrade that enthusiasts could easily correct.. no, they completely recoloured individual elements in frames... so even if you attempt to put it back to how it was, something is always the wrong colour in the shot without stupid amounts of time, effort and work to fix it (I've seen some valiant attempts mind you, but they just aren't right) I just don't get it 😅 he did the same shit with Terminator 2.

Ridley isn't as bad for it, though Alien is slowly getting more blue introduced; from the DTheatre release to the blu-ray (which used the same HD master) greys became blue, the derelict interior was recoloured, the Jockey recoloured... they dialed it back a bit with the 4KUHd thankfully, but then they recoloured the pink lense flares from the flashlights (that movies like Alien and John Carpenter's 'The Thing' always had; hell, even Alien Isolation perfectly emulated it) and instead made everything blue.. 😅 it's a lovely 4k transfer, and I admit, still my go to for ease of use (especially when streaming) but I wish they'd just leave them alone. Alien 3 on blu-ray is nice, but it's too desaturated, and looks flat/no depth. Prior to getting a 35mm scan, I attempted a mock 'virtual' 35mm trial by creating a duplicated layer of the blu-ray image in monochrome and overlapping it (to emulate silver retention) and the shadows gained really made a difference in faces to creating depth (obviously it would have required a complete overhaul of colour) but I dunno...I guess it probably bothers me more than majority of folk 😅

What is also neat is Alien and The Thing share the same music, Dallas in the Air Shaft and MacReady visiting the site where the two headed corpse is.

Nukiemorph

Quote from: Acid_Reign161 on Apr 03, 2024, 12:33:04 AM
Quote from: Stitch on Apr 02, 2024, 10:37:50 AM
Quote from: BlueMarsalis79 on Mar 29, 2024, 02:50:25 AMWill have to track them down, I will probably watch Alien 4K for the beautiful HDR and ease of access, but Aliens and Alien³ might not get better for quite some time.
If you want to track them down, please don't just get the rips online. Ask the guy who made them. A lot of effort went into getting them done.

I myself am one of the original supporters of that project and agree wholeheartedly with you in supporting the source; though it's (sadly) a bit more complicated than that now. 😢 I think it goes without saying that it was a bit of a kick in the teeth to everyone who had contributed throughout when someone posted them online - not out of some need to be in some 'special club' or hoard classics to ourselves as some suggested, nor was it a money spinner for the project creator; what they didn't understand was that we *gladly* paid the prices for the discs, because it was a non-profit project. Every penny went into the renting of the 35mm reels from collectors, then the cost of the transfers, and then the hours of work and love that was poured into them. The money paid in meant more preservations could happen, and kept the project going. If everyone could just download them online, nobody (or not as many) would pay in, and thus there would be no more transfers, as each movie cost thousands.

That being said, the only reason I even brought up the Alien 35mm transfers here is because (aside from the obvious of them being references to compare to official releases for theatrical accuracy)they are now out in the open, and the project creator (understandably) has made it clear he no longer accepts new supporters /donations from unknowns anymore, with future projects tightly controlled. (I should also note that 35mm transfers of Alien and Aliens already existed online prior to this so I wasn't specifically referencing that project beyond A3; an earlier transfer of Alien did the rounds a few years back, restored from two separate reel sources, and I stumbled on a different transfer of Aliens 35mm a year or so ago by complete accident on the Russian trackers with bonus open matte ending, so technically Alien 3 was the only 'new' addition that we didn't already have (though I do love the extensive colour work done on the newer transfers). Should he ever open doors again, I'll be the first to point everyone his way; more supporters = more movies for us all after all! He's doing gods work. But right now, I don't think he actually *wants* anyone new, and from his announcements, has pretty much accepted that Pandora's box was opened on the earlier releases, and there is no really getting that lid back on. 😔 A small few can certainly spoil it for everyone. I think it's a real shame what went down, but I also feel it's an absolute *travesty* if fans don't have an option or avenue to experience these. I hope for everyone that there is a way doors can be opened to all again.  But as I say; two of the original trilogy had been out there long before all this went down, so I wanna make it absolutely clear that I wasn't suggesting anything that'd be damaging to the preservation project. 😅


So basically, there's no way to buy these transfers but I get to feel guilty if I torrent them?  :P

SiL

Just like any other torrent!

SM


Stitch

Quote from: Nukiemorph on Apr 03, 2024, 02:38:23 AM
Quote from: Acid_Reign161 on Apr 03, 2024, 12:33:04 AM
Quote from: Stitch on Apr 02, 2024, 10:37:50 AM
Quote from: BlueMarsalis79 on Mar 29, 2024, 02:50:25 AMWill have to track them down, I will probably watch Alien 4K for the beautiful HDR and ease of access, but Aliens and Alien³ might not get better for quite some time.
If you want to track them down, please don't just get the rips online. Ask the guy who made them. A lot of effort went into getting them done.

I myself am one of the original supporters of that project and agree wholeheartedly with you in supporting the source; though it's (sadly) a bit more complicated than that now. 😢 I think it goes without saying that it was a bit of a kick in the teeth to everyone who had contributed throughout when someone posted them online - not out of some need to be in some 'special club' or hoard classics to ourselves as some suggested, nor was it a money spinner for the project creator; what they didn't understand was that we *gladly* paid the prices for the discs, because it was a non-profit project. Every penny went into the renting of the 35mm reels from collectors, then the cost of the transfers, and then the hours of work and love that was poured into them. The money paid in meant more preservations could happen, and kept the project going. If everyone could just download them online, nobody (or not as many) would pay in, and thus there would be no more transfers, as each movie cost thousands.

That being said, the only reason I even brought up the Alien 35mm transfers here is because (aside from the obvious of them being references to compare to official releases for theatrical accuracy)they are now out in the open, and the project creator (understandably) has made it clear he no longer accepts new supporters /donations from unknowns anymore, with future projects tightly controlled. (I should also note that 35mm transfers of Alien and Aliens already existed online prior to this so I wasn't specifically referencing that project beyond A3; an earlier transfer of Alien did the rounds a few years back, restored from two separate reel sources, and I stumbled on a different transfer of Aliens 35mm a year or so ago by complete accident on the Russian trackers with bonus open matte ending, so technically Alien 3 was the only 'new' addition that we didn't already have (though I do love the extensive colour work done on the newer transfers). Should he ever open doors again, I'll be the first to point everyone his way; more supporters = more movies for us all after all! He's doing gods work. But right now, I don't think he actually *wants* anyone new, and from his announcements, has pretty much accepted that Pandora's box was opened on the earlier releases, and there is no really getting that lid back on. 😔 A small few can certainly spoil it for everyone. I think it's a real shame what went down, but I also feel it's an absolute *travesty* if fans don't have an option or avenue to experience these. I hope for everyone that there is a way doors can be opened to all again.  But as I say; two of the original trilogy had been out there long before all this went down, so I wanna make it absolutely clear that I wasn't suggesting anything that'd be damaging to the preservation project. 😅


So basically, there's no way to buy these transfers but I get to feel guilty if I torrent them?  :P
Not quite. Any new projects will be private, but apparently he'll still make older work available.

Corporal Hicks

These scans are now being shared around Twitter. They seem to be fairly accessible now.

https://twitter.com/SAMSEPlOL/status/1778083661444731065

Acid_Reign161

Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Apr 16, 2024, 07:34:45 AMThese scans are now being shared around Twitter. They seem to be fairly accessible now.

https://twitter.com/SAMSEPlOL/status/1778083661444731065

Interestingly, this is yet *another* scan of 'Alien' - possibly the earliest out there so far, being a UK X-certified print (so pre-BBFC) - Rob's release was taken from an early 90s print, and the project that was up on Original Trilogy utilised two separate 35mm prints (both later prints like Rob's judging by the quality and colour grading) - would love to know who put this particular one out to see if there is a version with a larger file size - this definitely hasn't done the rounds on either the private trackers nor the Russian trackers, so it's interesting to see it casually posted on Twitter/X 😃

xeno_alpha_07

Quote from: Acid_Reign161 on Apr 25, 2024, 12:09:15 AM
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Apr 16, 2024, 07:34:45 AMThese scans are now being shared around Twitter. They seem to be fairly accessible now.

https://twitter.com/SAMSEPlOL/status/1778083661444731065

Interestingly, this is yet *another* scan of 'Alien' - possibly the earliest out there so far, being a UK X-certified print (so pre-BBFC) - Rob's release was taken from an early 90s print, and the project that was up on Original Trilogy utilised two separate 35mm prints (both later prints like Rob's judging by the quality and colour grading) - would love to know who put this particular one out to see if there is a version with a larger file size - this definitely hasn't done the rounds on either the private trackers nor the Russian trackers, so it's interesting to see it casually posted on Twitter/X 😃

I believe the Alien print I have matches the one mentioned in the X post. It's an X certificate and around 19 or 20GB. My print includes trailers for Outland and a Blade Runner teaser, but the one in the post does not. It's currently 3:41am here, so I'll compare the prints on my PC later.

BlueMarsalis79


Nukiemorph

Quote from: BlueMarsalis79 on Apr 30, 2024, 10:55:49 PMhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nn0rmcYIqAw
I am concerned that this may be the only version to live on, since many aren't happy with it.

I went to Alien this last weekend, and I was thinking how great it would be if they could do the same for Aliens' 40th anniversary in two years. But then I assumed that they'd probably be screening this 4K cut...

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