Can the show still be good if it contradicts the lore?

[SM]

Yeah we kinda saw what happened in Covenant.

No time for lurve.

Deacons could be rare if you follow one of Ridley's ideas that the Engineers could no longer pro-create.

[SiL]

sex with or between infected people would not be rare, which suggests that trilobites (and deacons) wouldn't be either.

Trilobites aren't made by two infected people having sex. Shaw wasn't infected.

[skhellter]

pretty good video
and very relevant.

lore drift is inevitable with big IPS.

[Agoddamnpercentage]

Yeah we kinda saw what happened in Covenant.

No time for lurve.

Deacons could be rare if you follow one of Ridley's ideas that the Engineers could no longer pro-create.

No, Covenant shows that you die if you're directly under a massive explosion. We've seen that degree of exposure matters, as it does with most harmful agents.

sex with or between infected people would not be rare, which suggests that trilobites (and deacons) wouldn't be either.

Trilobites aren't made by two infected people having sex. Shaw wasn't infected.

It's not established that they aren't made by two infected partners, only that two infected partners aren't necessary. And on a mass scale, sex between partners only one of whom is (so far) infected wouldn't be rare either.

[SM]

You said "if the pathogen was dropped on a planet". Covenant is example of such.  If you want to shift the goalposts about exposure levels - fine. Just be a little clearer.

[Agoddamnpercentage]

You were responding to an earlier conversation about the effects of the pathogen being used on a planet, and the differences between what would happen to those close to the blast and further away was part of it.

[SiL]

It's not established that they aren't made by two infected partners,

It doesn't establish they're not made spontaneously in a cotton field either. I'm going by what the movie shows.

If anything its rareness would make a good reason to make a shrine to it as some mythical thing.

[Agoddamnpercentage]

It's not established that they aren't made by two infected partners,

It doesn't establish they're not made spontaneously in a cotton field either. I'm going by what the movie shows.

This isn't really worth continuing, but you're not. The movie doesn't show that 'Trilobites aren't made by two infected people having sex'. We don't know whether they are or not.

If anything its rareness would make a good reason to make a shrine to it as some mythical thing.

I mean, maybe. There are all sorts of reasons to have a shrine. But if you think the engineers have seen a deacon before, and made a shrine to it, you don't have the view I was originally querying. Because the view I queried was that the circumstances leading to the birth of the deacon are so complicated that it must be a one of a kind creature, and so can't be the thing in the mural.

[Neila]

I always saw it as a kind of prophecy of what was to come.

[SiL]

This isn't really worth continuing, but you're not. The movie doesn't show that 'Trilobites aren't made by two infected people having sex'. We don't know whether they are or not.

The movie shows an infected person and an uninfected person. That is literally the only way we see a Trilobite being made in the movies, ever. That is all we can say with certainty.

The only thing consistent in the movie is that each mutation is unique, so it's again disingenuous to say it doesn't matter if one person is infected or not.

[Agoddamnpercentage]

This isn't really worth continuing, but you're not. The movie doesn't show that 'Trilobites aren't made by two infected people having sex'. We don't know whether they are or not.

The movie shows an infected person and an uninfected person. That is literally the only way we see a Trilobite being made in the movies, ever. That is all we can say with certainty.

You're not disagreeing with me, but you are walking back what you said before. What you said before was that we know, and the movie 'shows', that trilobites aren't made when two infected people get together. That goes beyond what we can say with certainty. But perhaps you didn't mean to say it, so this isn't a big deal.

The only thing consistent in the movie is that each mutation is unique, so it's again disingenuous to say it doesn't matter if one person is infected or not.

I'm not sure the movie does show that actually, because there are no 'control' cases of two people being infected in the same way with the same quantity of substance. And I didn't say it didn't matter  whether one is infected or both are. We don't know whether it matters or not. I said 'And on a mass scale, sex between partners only one of whom is (so far) infected wouldn't be rare either.' It's bad to call people disingenuous just because you're disagreeing with them, but especially bad if you haven't read what they say.

[Stitch]

Maybe the TV series will explain what the mural means, and how trilobites and deacons are formed.

[PortugueseXeno]

I think some people need to come to terms and accept that Noah Hawley isn't interested in the lore of the prequels.

Black goo, deacons, trilobites, neomorphs, protomorphs isn't what he is interested in.

[Nightmare Asylum]

Agreed, Noah Hawley doesn't care about any of that.

But similarly, I think people need to accept that that Fede does care about all of that.

[SiL]

I don't think Fede cares, I think Fede just wants as many callbacks as possible.