Hey folks!
So we recently had a one-on-one chat with Predators director Nimród Antal last week and figured you'd guys would be interested in what he had to say about Predators and the franchise since he really hasn't talked about the movie much since 2010. Enjoy!
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Thanks! That was a great read. I'm glad to hear from Nimrod after almost a decade.
PREDATORS never got it's due imho. It deserved a sequel, one that fixed any problems the first film had and built from there.
So much wasted potential. Anyway great job with the interview!
That got me in that even he had no idea why they never pursued a direct sequel. It made money and was even fairly well received at the time so yeah I'm surprised that even he didn't know why they didn't.
The Super Predators are ripe for future stories and how they interact with the universe. This is a movie begging to be made or adapted in some form. At least I know I'd be interested in seeing more of the Super Predator conflict.
Someday. Hopefully someday.
If Shane hasn't killed the franchise off for another decade or two.
Quote from: SuperiorIronman on Mar 11, 2019, 11:36:44 PM
That got me in that even he had no idea why they never pursued a direct sequel. It made money and was even fairly well received at the time so yeah I'm surprised that even he didn't know why they didn't.
It's because Fox have unrealistic projections for these movies. It needs to make 3 earths populations worth of money.
Quote from: PsyKore on Mar 12, 2019, 12:43:22 AM
Quote from: SuperiorIronman on Mar 11, 2019, 11:36:44 PM
That got me in that even he had no idea why they never pursued a direct sequel. It made money and was even fairly well received at the time so yeah I'm surprised that even he didn't know why they didn't.
It's because Fox have unrealistic projections for these movies. It needs to make 3 earths populations worth of money.
That's bizarre to me because these films have never made anything equivalent to the MCU or Star Wars. The Predator franchise has always hit on the low end of the spectrum with the multi-media efforts being the thing that makes them the most money. Licensing for comics, toys, costumes, etc, have been where they make the most of their money. With Predator 2 being the only one unaccounted for (at least in my searches) the franchise has been profitable, but if some head at Fox really thought that this was MCU level of profitability I've got a bridge to sell them.
I might just be happy with the Disney transition if it means someone over there will use the franchise to its potential.
What we need is someone in charge who has the guts to say,
"You know, we have a real passion for both of these franchises, but it's obvious that they've been mishandled for quite some time now. We're not about to let these properties die or go dormant. We've heard what the fans have to say and we're going to go back to basics until we get this right, and then we're going to keep doing what works".
Sakes alive, I'd jump right off the couch if somebody said that.
I remember being stoked after the film came out and was a success. Hearing Antal was ready to do the sequel and Brody was very much looking forward to a sequel. Then, John Davis came out a few weeks or months later and shutdown all this sequel talk.
After THE PREDATOR, I guarantee it's gonna be another 5-10 years before we get another entry in the series.
Which sucks big time because it didn't need to be this way.
Quote from: JungleHunter87 on Mar 12, 2019, 02:05:33 AM
I remember being stoked after the film came out and was a success. Hearing Antal was ready to do the sequel and Brody was very much looking forward to a sequel. Then, John Davis came out a few weeks or months later and shutdown all this sequel talk.
After THE PREDATOR, I guarantee it's gonna be another 5-10 years before we get another entry in the series.
Which sucks big time because it didn't need to be this way.
I doubt its going to be 10 years between films again because Predator 2's gap was massive for what it was. That was 14 years between it and Aliens Versus Predator. They're never doing that again. Between Predators and The Predator its about 8 years, and even then its too long for the marketing legs it has. There's no way they're waiting a decade or more on that.
Predator movies all things considered are cheap to make. So it being too pricey is out of the question, though with the overzealous spending to get The Predator re-shot we can kiss period-pieces goodbye and more than one Predator. Meaning that whatever the next film does it's going to be cheap and its going to be modern. Make of that what you will but I'd expect one within 5 years at worst.
Predator 2 = 1990
Predators = 2010
And that was after a good movie.
After this disaster, they won't touch it with a ten year pole, at least.
Quote from: Huggs on Mar 12, 2019, 02:31:07 AM
After this disaster, they won't touch it with a ten year pole, at least.
So this is what pain feels like.
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Quote from: Samhain13 on Mar 12, 2019, 02:38:49 AM
Quote from: Huggs on Mar 12, 2019, 02:31:07 AM
After this disaster, they won't touch it with a ten year pole, at least.
So this is what pain feels like.
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Pain is waiting 8 years and realizing you've got another 15 to go before another chance, if you're lucky. Think of it this way, if the next movie comes out in 2030, even if its good, that means we only got 1 good film (predators) within a 40 year gap. 40 freakin' years!
Yes, it's going to be that bad.
Stahp!
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Great interview! Lots of good stuff in there.
I always hated that in the trailer. It never made sense to have so many Predators on just one guy and I knew even as a little kid it wouldn't be in the movie. I still enjoyed the film. To be honest I was more disappointed the Hulk wasn't really in the wakanda battle but no one complained that it was shown in the trailers he was there, and in the movie it wasn't, very similar situation but two very different outcomes.
It would be nice, you guys, could invite him to your podcast for an interview. I think he did a fantastic job with Predators compared to the new Predator movie. The movie felt very grounded and I'm sure if Rodriguez would have done it, it could be as bad as the one by Shane Black.
Yeah that shot while it looked great, annoyed the hell out of me as it was an oversell
Dutch landing in a cage would have been a sight to see.
Quote from: Huggs on Mar 12, 2019, 02:31:07 AM
After this disaster, they won't touch it with a ten year pole, at least.
I said the same thing after Terminator Genisys, yet...
I'm sensing something for the Disney+/Hulu streaming package in a few years, for Alien AND Predator.
Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Mar 13, 2019, 02:29:46 PM
Dutch landing in a cage would have been a sight to see.
Quote from: Huggs on Mar 12, 2019, 02:31:07 AM
After this disaster, they won't touch it with a ten year pole, at least.
I said the same thing after Terminator Genisys, yet...
I'm sensing something for the Disney+/Hulu streaming package in a few years, for Alien AND Predator.
https://youtu.be/S74rvpc6W60 (https://youtu.be/S74rvpc6W60)
Another swing and a miss to pay needed homage to Dutch.
Has been and will be the downfall of this franchise.
This was the only really good Predator sequel. It's a great follow up. Nothing beats this 1st but Predators is noticeably better than Predator 2 and both sequels are DOZENS of times better than 2018's "The Predator". What a heartbreak that film was.
Quote from: Jenga on Mar 14, 2019, 07:07:15 AM
This was the only really good Predator sequel. It's a great follow up. Nothing beats this 1st but Predators is noticeably better than Predator 2 and both sequels are DOZENS of times better than 2018's "The Predator". What a heartbreak that film was.
It's a good movie, it's not better than Predator 2. Predator 2 defecates on this movie.
Quote from: Jenga on Mar 14, 2019, 07:07:15 AM
This was the only really good Predator sequel. It's a great follow up. Nothing beats this 1st but Predators is noticeably better than Predator 2 and both sequels are DOZENS of times better than 2018's "The Predator". What a heartbreak that film was.
Wut? Predators better than Predator 2?
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Only marginally, mind, but it's better. (IMO)
*Cough* *Cough* *Cough* Hicks is one of the 6 *Cough* *Cough*
;D
And proud of it!
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I need to make a "sad Hudson face" reaction pic, purely for every time Hicks says Predators is better than P2.
Quote from: TheSailingRabbit on Mar 14, 2019, 08:10:34 PM
I need to make a "sad Hudson face" reaction pic, purely for every time Hicks says Predators is better than P2.
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Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Mar 14, 2019, 11:29:44 PM
Quote from: TheSailingRabbit on Mar 14, 2019, 08:10:34 PM
I need to make a "sad Hudson face" reaction pic, purely for every time Hicks says Predators is better than P2.
(https://i.ibb.co/RpgKg2r/IMG-20190314-192814.jpg)
I meant I'd draw one, but OK.
I'll still draw it.
I might even put it in color.
Spoiler
All I got are colored pencils, though.
Predators better than Predator 2 = NOPE. Far superior action better predator enough said.
Nearly 9 years ago this was released? (8th July 2010 uk release). Might as well have been a decade ago.
An abhorrent PREDATOR release. I had a whole cinema row next to me who almost walked out of this snorefest.
Promosed so much, but delivered so little.
Nimrod Antal's METALLICA drama-mentary "through the never" also bombed.
A lot of great movies get a bad wrap when first released. Some of them became cult favorites. In years to come many films we dislike now might come to be seen as titans of their genres.
I hated predators the first time I saw it. Absolutely hated it. It disgusted me deeply. I watched it a few years later and something was different. Watched it some more and I loved it. Much more like the first film. Predator will always need an isolated setting, in my opinion. Too much noise and activity in the city. Takes away the horror and the suspense.
Quote from: Billiken on Mar 15, 2019, 07:01:55 AM
Predators better than Predator 2 = NOPE. Far superior action better predator enough said.
Action doesn't make a good predator movie. Atmosphere does.
Quote from: TheSailingRabbit on Mar 14, 2019, 08:10:34 PM
I need to make a "sad Hudson face" reaction pic, purely for every time Hicks and Huggs say Predators is better than P2.
Fixed.
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Mar 14, 2019, 03:58:30 PM
And proud of it!
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Same! (https://i.gifer.com/7B4k.gif)
QuoteAction doesn't make a good predator movie. Atmosphere does.
THE PREDATOR proves that to be the case. Loads of action and no atmosphere to speak of.
Hey Predators! Predator called, they want their atmosphere back!
Predator 2 has loads of atmosphere. Just the King Willie alley alone is worth the price of atmosphere admission. And I haven't even touched upon the Predator ship!
Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Mar 15, 2019, 09:44:17 PM
Hey Predators! Predator called, they want their atmosphere back!
Predator 2 has loads of atmosphere. Just the King Willie alley alone is worth the price of atmosphere admission. And I haven't even touched upon the Predator ship!
There are several scenes in p2 with great atmosphere, especially the alley scene. But I think overall there's just far too many people and too much noise and activity.
There's great action and set pieces like the train and the opening shootout with el Scorpio, but there's a distinct lack of intimacy that p1&3 utilized to great effect.
I think Predators has some good atmosphere but then it falls apart pretty quickly. I had more fun with Predator 2. Taking it to the city was the right thing to do otherwise we just get more jungle and the same thing over and over.
Quote from: Huggs on Mar 15, 2019, 10:39:27 PM
Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Mar 15, 2019, 09:44:17 PM
Hey Predators! Predator called, they want their atmosphere back!
Predator 2 has loads of atmosphere. Just the King Willie alley alone is worth the price of atmosphere admission. And I haven't even touched upon the Predator ship!
There are several scenes in p2 with great atmosphere, especially the alley scene. But I think overall there's just far too many people and too much noise and activity.
There's great action and set pieces like the train and the opening shootout with el Scorpio, but there's a distinct lack of intimacy that p1&3 utilized to great effect.
In terms of atmospheric scenes, Danny's scene walking back into the penthouse, is easily one of P2's best.
Overall though I agree that P2 was a little too cluttered and frantic. Not to say I don't enjoy it. I just prefer PREDATORS more as a film over it.
Quote from: Billiken on Mar 15, 2019, 10:52:57 PM
I think Predators has some good atmosphere but then it falls apart pretty quickly. I had more fun with Predator 2. Taking it to the city was the right thing to do otherwise we just get more jungle and the same thing over and over.
It doesn't have to be a jungle.
Perhaps a forest or a mountain or an abandoned military installation.
Just something remote and quiet, with a limited amount of human beings.
Even Cameron had the good sense to kill off the colony.
Quote from: JungleHunter87 on Mar 15, 2019, 11:04:03 PM
Quote from: Huggs on Mar 15, 2019, 10:39:27 PM
Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Mar 15, 2019, 09:44:17 PM
Hey Predators! Predator called, they want their atmosphere back!
Predator 2 has loads of atmosphere. Just the King Willie alley alone is worth the price of atmosphere admission. And I haven't even touched upon the Predator ship!
There are several scenes in p2 with great atmosphere, especially the alley scene. But I think overall there's just far too many people and too much noise and activity.
There's great action and set pieces like the train and the opening shootout with el Scorpio, but there's a distinct lack of intimacy that p1&3 utilized to great effect.
In terms of atmospheric scenes, Danny's scene walking back into the penthouse, is easily one of P2's best.
Overall though I agree that P2 was a little too cluttered and frantic. Not to say I don't enjoy it. I just prefer PREDATORS more as a film over it.
I almost used Danny's scene as an example, but that speech from king Willy sets great tone. Danny's scene is much scarier though.
I agree a military installation would be great we got a bit of that in The Predator. the escape scene was great. I just hope someone can move with this idea.
I was so happy that I enjoyed all three of the movies at about the same level. I was glad that all the movies in the Predator franchise were "good" and then The Predator comes out which I enjoyed less than any of the Alien movies, prequels or even the AvPs IMO. That was quite a shock I must say. I hope that the franchise doesn't stagnate too much because of it...
I liked Predators from the first viewing, not perfect, but I really liked what they did with it. My brother who doesn't care for these films at all liked this one as well from the get go. A sequel to predators would've been fun. I think it's a great idea to have the predator adapt to a new foe. Not silly genetic upgrades, but new hunting tactics and creative new weapons. That's what I want to see in a new movie.
Quote from: Still Collating... on Mar 16, 2019, 02:32:20 PM
I was so happy that I enjoyed all three of the movies at about the same level. I was glad that all the movies in the Predator franchise were "good" and then The Predator comes out which I enjoyed less than any of the Alien movies, prequels or even the AvPs IMO. That was quite a shock I must say. I hope that the franchise doesn't stagnate too much because of it...
I liked Predators from the first viewing, not perfect, but I really liked what they did with it. My brother who doesn't care for these films at all liked this one as well from the get go. A sequel to predators would've been fun. I think it's a great idea to have the predator adapt to a new foe. Not silly genetic upgrades, but new hunting tactics and creative new weapons. That's what I want to see in a new movie.
The fanbase reacted the same to The Predator when Predators came out. That's why I was so surprised when people said they really took a liking to it because I had to defend that movie back then. If anything I've learned, give it five to ten years and people warm up to some element of them. Though given trademark law, I promise you this franchise wont stagnate, Disney will not let that trademark lapse. Predator has a better track-record than Alien or Terminator in terms of movies people dislike, and those movies you can make for 40 million as Predators proved, they'll make another Predator.
Ironically the genetic engineering thing is a hold-over from Predators as Berserker was supposed to be a genetically engineered Predator (it's why he's a "Super Predator"). He even had a similar appearance to Upgrade in the script. Of course this was changed to be some sort of sub-species, but it is fascinating just how much was carried over from older scripts that it makes me wonder just what exactly the scripting process was.
If I had been around back then, I'd have been defending Predators too.
Hell, I enjoyed both AVPs from a first viewing as well. Though over time I'm enjoying AVP:R less, but still enjoying it. I really try to like things and look at it from a bright side. And it does work, I have 850 hours in A:CM somehow... That's why the predator caught me by surprise and not in a good way.
I know the genetic engineering is originally from Predators and they were smart enough to scrap that concept. So weird that they reused that scraped idea. It can be done of course, but you have to be careful how you utilize it and how you design the creature. If Predators had done the same thing with it as The Predator did (human DNA?), I would've disliked that part the same. Though that's just one part of why I don't like the movie.
I'm glad some people like it and it saddens me that I'm not one of them.
And I think you're right actually, I forgot how "cheap" Predators was. A lower budget forces you to be more creative and the predator doesn't explicitly need futuristic sets.
Quote from: SuperiorIronman on Mar 17, 2019, 01:27:05 PM
Quote from: Still Collating... on Mar 16, 2019, 02:32:20 PM
I was so happy that I enjoyed all three of the movies at about the same level. I was glad that all the movies in the Predator franchise were "good" and then The Predator comes out which I enjoyed less than any of the Alien movies, prequels or even the AvPs IMO. That was quite a shock I must say. I hope that the franchise doesn't stagnate too much because of it...
I liked Predators from the first viewing, not perfect, but I really liked what they did with it. My brother who doesn't care for these films at all liked this one as well from the get go. A sequel to predators would've been fun. I think it's a great idea to have the predator adapt to a new foe. Not silly genetic upgrades, but new hunting tactics and creative new weapons. That's what I want to see in a new movie.
The fanbase reacted the same to The Predator when Predators came out. That's why I was so surprised when people said they really took a liking to it because I had to defend that movie back then. If anything I've learned, give it five to ten years and people warm up to some element of them. Though given trademark law, I promise you this franchise wont stagnate, Disney will not let that trademark lapse. Predator has a better track-record than Alien or Terminator in terms of movies people dislike, and those movies you can make for 40 million as Predators proved, they'll make another Predator.
Ironically the genetic engineering thing is a hold-over from Predators as Berserker was supposed to be a genetically engineered Predator (it's why he's a "Super Predator"). He even had a similar appearance to Upgrade in the script. Of course this was changed to be some sort of sub-species, but it is fascinating just how much was carried over from older scripts that it makes me wonder just what exactly the scripting process was.
That very well may be a possibility. With repetition, things become easier to accept - maybe given time, The Predator won't seem so bad after a few years (for palate cleansing). The genetic modification has been a while though, even in the old Rodriguez script (his original idea prior to Predators), there was a bit of genetic manipulation in there. It was bound to make an appearance in a movie at some point, imo.
Doubtful lol.
Didn't happen for AR, AVP or AVPR.
Quote from: The Old One on Mar 25, 2019, 02:53:25 PM
Doubtful lol.
Didn't happen for AR, AVP or AVPR.
You do realize that Neca, and Hot Toys wouldn't have pushed Wolf or the Resurrection figures (let alone made them) as much as they have if nobody cared right? Requiem does have its fans even if most of what they came to see is Wolf. Neca and Hot Toys are pricey enough that they wouldn't release it if there wasn't enough people interested in the property because for as expensive as those things are, that's one Hell of an impulse buy.
You also have the canon debate and AVP's acknowledgement as recently as The Predator.
If nobody cared Titan wouldn't keep thinking to pimp its titles with Wolf nor would we even have a sub-forum for AVP.
I'm pretty sure a fan base for it exists else we wouldn't and the companies involved wouldn't keep pushing it.
I concerned the films themselves.
The canon arguments' beginning's always the result of three people by my count.
People always purchase the creatures regardless.
JokersWarPig for instance, intense Resurrection disregard -but the NECA figure? Purchase.