Posted by SpaceKase
- Aug 30, 2020, 03:17:14 AMQuote from: Kradan on Apr 30, 2020, 08:14:26 PM
I don't get it. Could you explain please ?
Regarding the big Yautja Battle in New York, I wrote this up a little while ago in a separate thread, but this is as near as I can figure...
One convenient thing is the time period, there were no camera phones or anything like that. When the Rodney King beating happened in 1991, it was an incredibly big deal because it was the first time such a blatant abuse by a large domestic police force had been captured on a camcorder for all the world to see.
In the comics, the first explosions happened in a seedy place in the Bronx and the ships never even decloaked. Philips and his troops had already been onsite in the city monitoring things as they were unfolding and that would be an easy enough cover up. There were also several clandestine organizations active in that period that had been tracking Yautja activity and retrieving their tech for years, if not centuries up to that point.
So the big encounter happened at Mid-town near the Macy's on 6th. Once again all the ships were cloaked until Schaefer used his captured Biomask and blasted one out of the sky, and then later when one decloaked near the ground above the crowd of cops, troops and gang members. Philip's army contingent had been set up in town for several days at this point and they would have already set up a perimeter, limiting and containing anyone with direct exposure.
So at this point you're dealing with a bunch of hardened criminals, the military, the police force, and the bystanders. Things happened pretty fast and once the rain started pounding not only would a ton of evidence have been washed away, or contaminated, but the Yautja end up booking it shortly after things escalated to the point where the choppas show up. Everyone within the perimeter would have been rounded up. The Army would have gone full Roswell coverup on the situation. The destruction would be chalked up to terrorist activity involving a stolen Macy's day balloon, or a blown gas main and mass hallucination. The gang members would be discredited and imprisoned or disappeared. The troops involved would all be subject to classification. And the rest of the civilians would all be paid off, threatened, silenced or discredited. The unbelievers would attend to themselves and be convinced it was all a hoax, and the others would be written off as kooks, or paid or threatened into silence.
The biggest crinkle would be the wreckage from the ship that Schaefer blew out of the sky. According to subsequent stories Philips was under the impression that the army was unable to recover any hard evidence, but it's no secret that Philips screwed up the whole operation, and subsequently he was compartmentalized and excluded from all Intel regarding the major incident in New Mexico later that year, as well as the the tech and body that was recovered there.
As for any recovered wreckage from the destroyed ship in midtown, the Army either did or didn't round it all up. If they did, then Philips was kept out of all knowledge regarding this, and someone more connected was doing an end run around him or keeping him around as a patsy. It's stated in the comics that the current president specifically does not hold him in high regard, and it already seems like Philips is being managed from higher up.
If the army wasn't responsible for confiscating the wreckage and other bits then the question becomes, who was? Surely an organization with plenty of resources. The Borgia syndicate, the Soames family, or even Gideon Suhn Lee are all well connected, all likely monitoring the situation better than the Army was at that point, and have all been shown to have acquired extensive collections of Yautja tech and artifacts over the years, decades, and centuries.
So, plausible as Roswell, at least.
Posted by FatStu
- Aug 30, 2020, 12:04:27 AMWhen it comes to questions like this - I read whatever incarnation it was first published in. If I can. I have read the Nathan Archer book - but to me the comic is where it's at.
Posted by EJA
- Apr 30, 2020, 08:24:33 PMCold War and Dark River were the only other comics to reference the New York incident in Concrete Jungle. Everything else pretty much ignored it, and understandably, as it doesn't really fit with the overall continuity. But now Hunters III has brought back Detective Schaefer.....
Posted by Kradan
- Apr 30, 2020, 08:14:26 PMI don't get it. Could you explain please ?
Posted by Wysps
- Apr 30, 2020, 03:02:36 PMQuote from: Kradan on Apr 30, 2020, 01:34:19 PMQuote from: EJA on Apr 30, 2020, 12:32:11 PM
The reprint changes the '91 to '87.
One of the biggest problems I have with this series is that it features Predator ships decloaking and landing in the middle of New York in broad daylight, and an army of Predators openly fighting in the streets with cops and gangsters in front of dozens of bystanders. Yet this is all somehow forgotten about later, which would absolutely never happen.
Yeah, this part was particularly bullshitty.
Then again, it did almost happen in The Predator, albeit in a round-about way...
Posted by 426Buddy
- Apr 30, 2020, 02:57:41 PMYeah I remember when I first read the comic and thought it was awesome back in the day, that TPB cover art by Den Beauvais is still amazing. But as time went on the story-line bothered me more and more, didn't seem to get any better with the sequels either imo.
I will say that I really wish DH would recolor 70% of their predator comics from the early 90's. Some of the art is just excellent but the colors don't do it any favors.
I will say that I really wish DH would recolor 70% of their predator comics from the early 90's. Some of the art is just excellent but the colors don't do it any favors.
Posted by Kradan
- Apr 30, 2020, 01:34:19 PMQuote from: EJA on Apr 30, 2020, 12:32:11 PM
The reprint changes the '91 to '87.
One of the biggest problems I have with this series is that it features Predator ships decloaking and landing in the middle of New York in broad daylight, and an army of Predators openly fighting in the streets with cops and gangsters in front of dozens of bystanders. Yet this is all somehow forgotten about later, which would absolutely never happen.
Yeah, this part was particularly bullshitty.
Posted by Voodoo Magic
- Apr 30, 2020, 12:54:22 PMQuote from: EJA on Apr 30, 2020, 12:32:11 PM
The reprint changes the '91 to '87.
But the reprint still has Dutch in the jungle three years back and the 1990 tax return, so it's doing all kinds of conflicting. I'll stick with the original.
Posted by EJA
- Apr 30, 2020, 12:32:11 PMThe reprint changes the '91 to '87.
One of the biggest problems I have with this series is that it features Predator ships decloaking and landing in the middle of New York in broad daylight, and an army of Predators openly fighting in the streets with cops and gangsters in front of dozens of bystanders. Yet this is all somehow forgotten about later, which would absolutely never happen.
One of the biggest problems I have with this series is that it features Predator ships decloaking and landing in the middle of New York in broad daylight, and an army of Predators openly fighting in the streets with cops and gangsters in front of dozens of bystanders. Yet this is all somehow forgotten about later, which would absolutely never happen.
Posted by Voodoo Magic
- Apr 30, 2020, 11:25:30 AMQuote from: EJA on Apr 30, 2020, 09:28:18 AM
Original comic series was in 1989, two years after the first film. The novel versions of Concrete Jungle and Cold War bump the date up to the mid-90s. Also, the third comic book series, Dark River, is entirely ignored.
The comic was definitely not just two years after the first film, that's for certain.
It's funny, we were literally discussing this yesterday on another thread.
Here was my case for 1991:Yeah, when Rasche says "Christ, it was hot. Hotter than the Summer of 91" its confusing, because he seems to be speaking of it being hotter today than it was in the 1991, even though it's both said in past tense. But then Rauche tells the story of what happened in past tense. "There was nothing romantic that summer." Is he talking about that hot Summer of 1991 or a more current summer?
What has me stick with 1991 is two things. The latest / top of Rauche's back tax returns is 1990. In America the newest is always a year behind.
And then Schaefer says 3 years back Dutch went missing. Often when people count years, they don't count the one they are usually in.
I think it would be less complicated if instead of "Christ, it was hot" in the beginning, he started with "Christ, it's hot" or "there was nothing romantic that summer of '91." But alas...
But that's why I roll with 1991.
Posted by EJA
- Apr 30, 2020, 09:28:18 AMOriginal comic series was in 1989, two years after the first film. The novel versions of Concrete Jungle and Cold War bump the date up to the mid-90s. Also, the third comic book series, Dark River, is entirely ignored.
Posted by Kradan
- Apr 29, 2020, 10:03:13 PMI find comic to be more enjoyable 'cause art is soooo good.
Also, for some reason I found novelisation to be pretty depressing read.
Also, for some reason I found novelisation to be pretty depressing read.
Posted by SpaceKase
- Apr 29, 2020, 08:12:35 PMQuote from: EJA on Apr 29, 2020, 03:01:26 PM
Which is better, the original comic book of Concrete Jungle from DH, or Nathan Archer's prose novel version? I know there are some differences between the two. For one thing, in the comic, just two years have passed since the first movie and Dutch never returned home from it, while in the novel it's more like eight years, and Dutch did come back and see his brother, and then vanished without a trace.
eh, the time period of the original comic for Concrete Jungle is up for debate, depending on which source you're taking it from.
Posted by SuperiorIronman
- Apr 29, 2020, 03:28:35 PMI'm mostly a comic reader anyways so I'm a little more biased towards that medium. That being said I did enjoy both of them and couldn't recall that many differences between them.
I prefer comics but I'd say both renditions are on par with each other it just depends what you're looking for.
I prefer comics but I'd say both renditions are on par with each other it just depends what you're looking for.
Posted by Xiggz456
- Apr 29, 2020, 03:24:00 PMI probably prefer the comic but I wasn't a huge fan of Nathan Archer's prose. And I really don't remember much difference between the two other than minor changes. But I'd still recommend reading both for completionists sake.
