So for everyone thinking that we may be getting a shared Alien-Predator universe, with the possibility of an AvP3, you might want to end up reading this:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2015/03/05/neill-blomkamp-alien_n_6801894.html?ncid=txtlnkusaolp00000592 (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2015/03/05/neill-blomkamp-alien_n_6801894.html?ncid=txtlnkusaolp00000592)
Yet despite the clandestine nature of the new film, there is one thing Blomkamp is certain he wants to avoid: the "Alien" sequel becoming part of an even larger connected franchise.
With "Prometheus 2" and a new "Predator"" film rumored to be in the works, it seems at least possible that someone would want to put all the films together into a combined mega-universe, à la what Marvel has done so successfully with its "Avengers" films. Blomkamp wasn't into the idea.
"Christ, I hope not," he said. "To me, it's all Ridley Scott's world. I think on a creative level, combining any kind of Marvel-esque universe across all of the different franchises included in 'Predator' and 'Alien,' would be an egregious error." His "Alien" sequel remain a part of the Scott lineage.
Blomkamp keeps speaking my language.
Thank goodness!
Admittedly.. I liked the concept of Alien vs Predator, and enjoyed both of the movies as popcorn flicks but with the whole mass-retconning going on, I don't think I want another AVP movie. I'm fine with the two I have.
Quote from: Jarac on Mar 06, 2015, 04:39:30 AM
Blomkamp keeps speaking my language.
Quote from: Perfect-Organism on Mar 06, 2015, 04:44:51 AM
Thank goodness!
Yeah. It's a smart move to avoid any convolution.
Quote from: RakaiThwei on Mar 06, 2015, 04:48:32 AM
Admittedly.. I liked the concept of Alien vs Predator, and enjoyed both of the movies as popcorn flicks but with the whole mass-retconning going on, I don't think I want another AVP movie. I'm fine with the two I have.
Well, AVP is a whole different ball of wax. I honestly have contemplated what it would be like if the AVP movies were done in a vacuum universe. The creatures in a future environment, but minus the specifics of the Alien universe for the background.
Quote from: OpenMaw on Mar 06, 2015, 04:52:36 AM
Well, AVP is a whole different ball of wax. I honestly have contemplated what it would be like if the AVP movies were done in a vacuum universe. The creatures in a future environment, but minus the specifics of the Alien universe for the background.
Well.. you could argue that the AvP movies are an alternate universe which is built on the Alien and Predator franchise. And assuming if we have alternate continuities, that could potentially be the case.
But I am a little confused on what you mean by vacuum universe.
Aside of the creatures, no continuity from either film series being utilised.
That's good news but I still want an AVP3 movie. :P
Quote from: OpenMaw on Mar 06, 2015, 05:41:39 AM
Aside of the creatures, no continuity from either film series being utilised.
You could argue that was the case with the first two movies. Although... official statements would suggest otherwise but that's neither here nor there now.
Quote from: whiterabbit on Mar 06, 2015, 05:58:48 AM
That's good news but I still want an AVP3 movie. :P
As a sequel to the two that we have in an attempt to redeem that franchise, or a reboot? I would prefer the former though.. But as it stands, I am grateful that we are not getting a shared universe. You could argue that Alien-Predator already are, but then again.. it seems to have gone and went from two separate universes, then a shared universe, then separated universes once more.
ID be ok with Avp if it stayed within itself
Quote from: OpenMaw on Mar 06, 2015, 04:52:36 AM
Well, AVP is a whole different ball of wax. I honestly have contemplated what it would be like if the AVP movies were done in a vacuum universe. The creatures in a future environment, but minus the specifics of the Alien universe for the background.
Yeah, that would've been the best strategy for those films. I personally would love a dark horror future-set AvP with no ties to the existing Alien saga. They should have kept them separated from the beginning.
Quote from: PsyKore on Mar 06, 2015, 06:22:04 AM
Yeah, that would've been the best strategy for those films. I personally would love a dark horror future-set AvP with no ties to the existing Alien saga. They should have kept them separated form the begining.
I would also like the same thing on the Predator side of things. I love the first two Predator movies, I can do without Rodriguez's movie.. Personally I'd like that jettisoned but that's not going to happen. Cautious about Shane's movie though.
But if an AvP movie is ever considered again, I would like for it to not have any real ties to either franchise continuity aside from the creatures. And no Preserve Planets or Super Predators. Leave those things out of AvP. But I won't be expecting another AvP until the current brass at Fox retires or when Ridley loses the reigns to the Alien franchise. I mean from the look of things, it seems like it's in his control now though Fox retains the rights.
But all in all, with the mass retconning and perhaps, introduction of Alternate Timelines/Parallel Universes... assuming Blomkamp doesn't write the third and fourth movie off as dreams or hallucinations, I would not want another AvP movie with the current state of things.
I want the AVP3 movie that was supposed to have happened after the end of AVPr. :P
No shared universe, otherwise we'll end up with Last Action Hero.
Quote from: whiterabbit on Mar 06, 2015, 06:44:56 AM
I want the AVP3 movie that was supposed to have happened after the end of AVPr. :P
You mean the one where the Predators find the Xenomorph homeworld and fight this winged Alien King? Ha ha ha ha ha! Nah, I wouldn't want to see that. I wouldn't mind a film adaptation of Rebellion's AvP2010 though but.. I think that game is as far as a sequel to the AvP movie we're gonna get. In some way.. that game seemed like a good way to end that franchise, even if open ended.
Quote from: whiterabbit on Mar 06, 2015, 06:44:56 AM
No shared universe, otherwise we'll end up with Last Action Hero.
Fire and Stone would suggest otherwise but do we count that as the same pedigree as the movies? I personally would think all of the EU is pretty much just glorified filler material. I wouldn't even count Fire and Stone. Interestingly enough so many bloggers out there have written on how a shared universe could be done and base everything off Fire and Stone.
But a part of me is glad that we're not getting a shared universe since Ridley Scott has the reigns with Prometheus, and Blomkamp is directing the Alien requel. I would think that both would agree that a shared universe is not necessarily the way to go.. At least as far as merging Prometheus, Alien and Predator are concerned.
And I know someone is gonna bring up Ridley OKing Fire and Stone but I don't think he gives a shit about what goes on in the comics.
Quote from: whiterabbit on Mar 06, 2015, 06:44:56 AM
I want the AVP3 movie that was supposed to have happened after the end of AVPr. :P
No shared universe, otherwise we'll end up with Last Action Hero.
My dream is an ALIENS Tv Series that goes something like this:
First season is Ripley 8 on Earth with strange goings on. Androids, W-Y schemes, body horror, humanity at it's worst, getting hands on Alien DNA,... Midway through this links up with Engineers and stuff before ending Ripley's story altogether, leaving earth and starting season 2 with characters introduced first season.
Season 2, is all hell breaks loose, aliens style. Season ends with the promise a new series/season which is again off world and basically AVP.
So like American Horror Story, every season is its own storyline that builds on all things Alien.
You can have a mining colony season, a giger planet season etc, etc,.. Definitely ShOWTIME or HBO type stuff though.
A good way to keep the AvP series is to not do them live action. Do AvP3 fully animated & you won't put off anyone.
Quote from: EarthAngel on Mar 06, 2015, 06:57:36 AM
Do AvP3 fully animated & you won't put off anyone.
I would love to see an AvP3 animated feature.. Something traditional. None of that CGI Animation stuff.
Traditional 2D animation. Wasn't Fox's last 2D animation Titan AE?
Yeah I would totally love a traditional animation AvP. CGI is so bland & lifeless & done. I wish we could get an animatedTV series really.
Quote from: EarthAngel on Mar 06, 2015, 07:08:34 AM
I wish we could get an animatedTV series really.
We almost got one with Operation: ALIENS. There are even animation cels of it somewhere out there.
Quote from: RakaiThwei on Mar 06, 2015, 06:52:45 AM
Quote from: whiterabbit on Mar 06, 2015, 06:44:56 AM
I want the AVP3 movie that was supposed to have happened after the end of AVPr. :P
You mean the one where the Predators find the Xenomorph homeworld and fight this winged Alien King? Ha ha ha ha ha! Nah, I wouldn't want to see that. I wouldn't mind a film adaptation of Rebellion's AvP2010 though but.. I think that game is as far as a sequel to the AvP movie we're gonna get. In some way.. that game seemed like a good way to end that franchise, even if open ended.
Oh god no, was that what was supposed to have happened? Honestly I did not pay much attention to the AVP universe back then. :P
An AVP cartoon could definitely work. As for a movie, they should do one alien and one predator, with the alien the traditional Giger design and the predator with the weapons from the first movie.
Quote from: whiterabbit on Mar 06, 2015, 07:17:54 AM
Oh god no, was that what was supposed to have happened? Honestly I did not pay much attention to the AVP universe back then. :P
That was one of the ideas which the Strause Brothers had. Ask Darkness about it, he'll tell you the gruesome details!
Quote from: Born Of Cold Light on Mar 06, 2015, 07:19:06 AM
An AVP cartoon could definitely work. As for a movie, they should do one alien and one predator, with the alien the traditional Giger design and the predator with the weapons from the first movie.
With Blomkamp saying that his movie is not going for a shared universe, and assuming that Ridley feels the same way.. I don't think we're getting a shared universe outside of the old AvP continuity and the expanded universe.. As far as films go, I would love to see an animated feature. But is animation more costly than say... live action? I wouldn't think so but I could be wrong.
Quote from: RakaiThwei on Mar 06, 2015, 07:01:59 AM
I would love to see an AvP3 animated feature.. Something traditional. None of that CGI Animation stuff.
There's some truly gorgeous CGI films out there. I could easily get on with that.
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Mar 06, 2015, 08:29:37 AM
There's some truly gorgeous CGI films out there. I could easily get on with that.
I am a sucker for 2D animation. That's just what I prefer. Now, there have been some good CGI films out there.. Final Fantasy VII: Advent Children comes to mind. In fact, that's the only one I know. I know that there was a Starship Troopers movie as well but I can't remember the life of me who did that movie and what animation studio.
An AVP universe is not a bad thing if done right, it could be great in fact! I would love to see an AVP film done right and despite what some fans say, there is nothing wrong with there being three separate universes, as opposed to an all encompassing one which can be messed up due to continuity errors.
Its a simple idea really and can be done quite fine, A pure Alien one with no Predators in existence, A pure Predator one with no Aliens in existence (skull was just an easter egg not a reference) and an AVP universe were the plots of both film franchises happened in the same universe and can feature both species and should hopefully open the way to a new AVP film with the previous AVP films being non-canon :laugh:
Quote from: RakaiThwei on Mar 06, 2015, 08:31:35 AM
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Mar 06, 2015, 08:29:37 AM
There's some truly gorgeous CGI films out there. I could easily get on with that.
I am a sucker for 2D animation. That's just what I prefer. Now, there have been some good CGI films out there.. Final Fantasy VII: Advent Children comes to mind. In fact, that's the only one I know. I know that there was a Starship Troopers movie as well but I can't remember the life of me who did that movie and what animation studio.
I've wanted a CG one since I first saw the trailer/intro for AvP Extinction. The above films are perfect examples of gorgeous looking CG films.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qNtxS_Rdq_0 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qNtxS_Rdq_0)
Thank god! This movie seems better and better
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Mar 06, 2015, 12:58:05 PM
I've wanted a CG one since I first saw the trailer/intro for AvP Extinction. The above films are perfect examples of gorgeous looking CG films.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qNtxS_Rdq_0 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qNtxS_Rdq_0)
A curiosity about Extinction that i've always wondered... It seemed to share the same artstyle as AVP2. A lot of those models look like they are higher poly versions of the AVP2 models. At the very least, they must be borrowing/using AVP2 textures. You can see it in the marines, and really see it in the predator designs.
Every time Blomkamp says something dubious, he comes back and says something to appease those doubts.
Not buying this at all. I like Blomkamp a lot but it's not up to him to decide if there's gonna be another AVP movie. He's just expressing his opinion and nothing else.
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Mar 06, 2015, 12:58:05 PM
I've wanted a CG one since I first saw the trailer/intro for AvP Extinction. The above films are perfect examples of gorgeous looking CG films.
I suppose it's a matter of preference then. I haven't really been too pleased with movies that were CGI Animations of some of my favorite franchises out there. One of those disappointments for me was TMNT 2007. That put me off from CGI animated movies.
Quote from: The Cruentus on Mar 06, 2015, 12:47:04 PM
An AVP universe is not a bad thing if done right, it could be great in fact! I would love to see an AVP film done right and despite what some fans say, there is nothing wrong with there being three separate universes, as opposed to an all encompassing one which can be messed up due to continuity errors.
That's something which I advocate as to why we should have an AvP Multiverse (I've considered on starting a petition for one) and I think that it would allow room for more creativity and differences within the three universes would be allowed and better explained. I mean as much as I had believed and still believe that there is a shared universe, at least.. within the AvP movie continuity and the old EU material, I would say that's just one continuity out of three.. four if you count Prometheus.
And as far as the AvP movies and a potential AvP sequel or reboot is concerned.. and canonicity.. I'll address in my next point.
Quote from: The Cruentus on Mar 06, 2015, 12:47:04 PM
Its a simple idea really and can be done quite fine, A pure Alien one with no Predators in existence, A pure Predator one with no Aliens in existence (skull was just an easter egg not a reference) and an AVP universe were the plots of both film franchises happened in the same universe and can feature both species and should hopefully open the way to a new AVP film with the previous AVP films being non-canon :laugh:
Let me illuminate you here, Crue. If you advocate that there are three universes, or at the least three continuities happening here, then you at least have to acknowledge that the previous movies could potentially also be their own universe which still connects to the first two Predator movies, and the first three Alien movies, Resurrection not withstanding. So you want an Alien universe, a Predator universe, and an AvP universe? Again.. alternate timelines or multiverse. In those contexts-- neither canon or non-canon would take different meaning and there would be discrepancies. What is canon for one universe, may not necessarily be canon for another but it doesn't mean that in context, it didn't happen somewhere in an alternate timeline or multiverse and may remain canon in the whole grand scheme of things somewhere.
Having that said.. Considering that Fox is going out of their way to seemingly keep the franchises separated and the massive reboot of the EU, and now a dismissing of four (five if you believe Rodriguez's stance on P2 holds precedence over Antal's claim)-- namely P2, AvP, AvP-R, Alien 3 and Resurrection, then they could potentially looked at as an alternate continuity if Blomkamp's movie does what Godzilla 1985 did when the Heisei era films were introduced, or what Halloween H20 did which rendered IV - VI as an alternate timeline with no plot device addressing the last three movies as such.
Just sharing my point of view and how things could work but... I'd never thought I'd say this and don't take this the wrong way, but I am glad we're not getting a shared universe similar to Marvel. I mean the canon is a mess as it is and broken enough. Not to mention I'm.. not too keen on Fox's current direction of the franchises.
Quote from: Scree on Mar 06, 2015, 04:14:39 PM
Not buying this at all. I like Blomkamp a lot but it's not up to him to decide if there's gonna be another AVP movie. He's just expressing his opinion and nothing else.
This is true, that's not up to Blomkamp. But as it looks.. Ridley Scott's got the reigns to the Alien franchise and from my understanding, he doesn't like the concept of Alien vs Predator as a whole. I suppose that would be up to Fox and whatever collaborating producers as well.. like.. John Davis, since Predator is his franchise.
I really wouldn't mind a CG one as long as they put hecka detail into it. Most CG stuff out there is really stiff & lifeless. An AvP CG flick or series would need to be as realistic looking as possible with LOTS of detail. When stuff explodes - there should be shrapnel flying everywhere. When someone steps in dust it should kick up around their feet, & you should be able to see the granules. Hair should animate & flow. The hive walls should glisten & drip.
It should reek of effort.
Assuming he has the level of control that he wants, however, I wouldn't expect any level of connection to a potential AVP film. A future AVP might retroactively acknowledge/take advantage of ideas in this, but it will not have been the intention of anyone involved solely in this outing.
Good. A thousand times good.
I think it's a silly notion that people think you can't make a good AVP film, but if not doing it again means never having another mess like AVP2, then I'm for shelving the AVP series.
Quote from: RakaiThwei on Mar 06, 2015, 04:36:20 PM
Let me illuminate you here, Crue. If you advocate that there are three universes, or at the least three continuities happening here, then you at least have to acknowledge that the previous movies could potentially also be their own universe which still connects to the first two Predator movies, and the first three Alien movies, Resurrection not withstanding. So you want an Alien universe, a Predator universe, and an AvP universe? Again.. alternate timelines or multiverse. In those contexts-- neither canon or non-canon would take different meaning and there would be discrepancies. What is canon for one universe, may not necessarily be canon for another but it doesn't mean that in context, it didn't happen somewhere in an alternate timeline or multiverse and may remain canon in the whole grand scheme of things somewhere.
Not necessarily, a film's series universe seperate from the other does not really mean an individual film within them has a seperate universe, its a simple concept really, Alien universe have no predators and only acknowledges alien and media, Predator universe have no Aliens and ditto, AVP universe have both species and acknowledge the previous movies (from both (not counting those that might get retconned) and everyone can be happy since the main universe for fans would be the AVP one while purists or those that simply like all but prefer them to be separate can enjoy the Alien and Predator one. Each one has its own EU which may or may not be canon. Alien Universe only has Alien comics/books for example. All universes are canon, just not to each other, AVP being the ultimate canon where everything from each universe happened.
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Having that said.. Considering that Fox is going out of their way to seemingly keep the franchises separated and the massive reboot of the EU, and now a dismissing of four (five if you believe Rodriguez's stance on P2 holds precedence over Antal's claim)-- namely P2, AvP, AvP-R, Alien 3 and Resurrection, then they could potentially looked at as an alternate continuity if Blomkamp's movie does what Godzilla 1985 did when the Heisei era films were introduced, or what Halloween H20 did which rendered IV - VI as an alternate timeline with no plot device addressing the last three movies as such.
Thing is, Predator 2 is not retconned or alternative universe, it was just not mentioned at all in Predators, there is a difference between retconning and ignoring.
The halloween thing is more like a retcon than an alternative universe because it intends to ignore the others and contradict them, the reboot series would be alternate universe because of the different setting. Its kinda murky since everyone is using all these different terms to explain what can be a simple deliberate contradiction to de-canonize the bad parts of halloween, after H20 it went back to bad so it didn't work for long.
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Just sharing my point of view and how things could work but... I'd never thought I'd say this and don't take this the wrong way, but I am glad we're not getting a shared universe similar to Marvel. I mean the canon is a mess as it is and broken enough. Not to mention I'm.. not too keen on Fox's current direction of the franchises.
I liked Aliens/Predators and AVP but I can agree things can get messed up because no one bothers to keep continuity or checking with the other franchise to see what fits or not. As a compromise, a three universe concept would be good.
Fox never had a good direction for the series, I don't know where or how they get so many bad ideas and "suggestions" all the time, if I didn't know they cared about money the franchise makes, I would have suspected them of purposefully sabotaging the franchise.
he conveniently didn't say weather or not his film will be connected to Prometheus...
Hardly matters if there's some connection to Prometheus as that's in-universe anyway, but bringing in Predators like an Abbot and Costello mash-up is obviously a stupid idea and should have never happened in the first place.
That quote makes it really difficult to know if he also meant he doesn't consider the 'Prometheus' stuff to be a part of his continuity, either... The interviewer's specific question is not quoted. As I pointed out on the podcast, the concept art labelled 'Space Jockey suit' could indicate this is what was truly meant.
The mysterious hand-waving about how Hicks is coming back might also indicate I was right with my theory that he could be a flashback, dream or hallucination, instead of just being true flesh and blood. If the character is simply waking up with Ripley, as everyone is presuming, why wouldn't the director simply say as such?
To keep it a shocking amazing twist that we've all been waiting for.
Quote from: Xenomorphine on Mar 06, 2015, 10:34:16 PM
The mysterious hand-waving about how Hicks is coming back might also indicate I was right with my theory that he could be a flashback, dream or hallucination, instead of just being true flesh and blood. If the character is simply waking up with Ripley, as everyone is presuming, why wouldn't the director simply say as such?
.......Whaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaat?
Hicks being a dream, hallucination.. What? God, I hope we don't get that. I.. I HOPE we don't get that.
The silver lining for AvP fans here is, no matter what Blomkamp wants, it's FOX's sandbox. If they want AvP stuff and want to include his movie in the mix, there isn't a whole lot he can do about it.
Ridley Scott's Prometheus stuff has already been mixed in with Predator and AvP stuff by way of the Fire and Stone comics, and there's even more AvP novels in the pipeline. AvP ain't dead, not by a long shot.
Quote from: RakaiThwei on Mar 06, 2015, 11:04:17 PM
Quote from: Xenomorphine on Mar 06, 2015, 10:34:16 PM
The mysterious hand-waving about how Hicks is coming back might also indicate I was right with my theory that he could be a flashback, dream or hallucination, instead of just being true flesh and blood. If the character is simply waking up with Ripley, as everyone is presuming, why wouldn't the director simply say as such?
.......Whaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaat?
Hicks being a dream, hallucination.. What? God, I hope we don't get that. I.. I HOPE we don't get that.
Have you seen the Terminator 2 director's cut?
Quote from: Xenomrph on Mar 07, 2015, 02:10:48 AM
The silver lining for AvP fans here is, no matter what Blomkamp wants, it's FOX's sandbox. If they want AvP stuff and want to include his movie in the mix, there isn't a whole lot he can do about it.
Ridley Scott's Prometheus stuff has already been mixed in with Predator and AvP stuff by way of the Fire and Stone comics, and there's even more AvP novels in the pipeline. AvP ain't dead, not by a long shot.
Can you still make it all fit?
Good. It shouldn't exist.
Quote from: Xenomrph on Mar 07, 2015, 02:10:48 AM
The silver lining for AvP fans here is, no matter what Blomkamp wants, it's FOX's sandbox. If they want AvP stuff and want to include his movie in the mix, there isn't a whole lot he can do about it.
But they would need Davis and another producer, whom I am assuming is going to be Ridley Scott for a while.. to work together. Scott would not be willing to work with Davis, even if the latter is willing to work with the former. Although yes.. It is Fox's sandbox.. Unfortunately.
Quote from: Xenomrph on Mar 07, 2015, 02:10:48 AM
Ridley Scott's Prometheus stuff has already been mixed in with Predator and AvP stuff by way of the Fire and Stone comics, and there's even more AvP novels in the pipeline. AvP ain't dead, not by a long shot.
I don't count Fire and Stone.
Quote from: Xenomrph on Mar 07, 2015, 02:10:48 AM
Have you seen the Terminator 2 director's cut?
You mean the Special Edition DVD which is 584 miles up north from where I am and is presently stored in a bin which is locked up in storage that my folks can BARELY make payments to? Yeah, I've seen it.. And Kyle Reese was more or less a ghost or at the least, a hallucination but it worked in that particular context.
Quote from: RakaiThwei on Mar 07, 2015, 03:06:27 AM
Quote from: Xenomrph on Mar 07, 2015, 02:10:48 AM
The silver lining for AvP fans here is, no matter what Blomkamp wants, it's FOX's sandbox. If they want AvP stuff and want to include his movie in the mix, there isn't a whole lot he can do about it.
But they would need Davis and another producer, whom I am assuming is going to be Ridley Scott for a while.. to work together. Scott would not be willing to work with Davis, even if the latter is willing to work with the former. Although yes.. It is Fox's sandbox.. Unfortunately.
No they don't, they just need someone to make an AvP movie.
Quote from: RakaiThwei on Mar 07, 2015, 03:06:27 AMQuote from: Xenomrph on Mar 07, 2015, 02:10:48 AM
Ridley Scott's Prometheus stuff has already been mixed in with Predator and AvP stuff by way of the Fire and Stone comics, and there's even more AvP novels in the pipeline. AvP ain't dead, not by a long shot.
I don't count Fire and Stone.
Fox sure does, though. :)
Quote from: RakaiThwei on Mar 07, 2015, 03:06:27 AM
Quote from: Xenomrph on Mar 07, 2015, 02:10:48 AM
Have you seen the Terminator 2 director's cut?
You mean the Special Edition DVD which is 584 miles up north from where I am and is presently stored in a bin which is locked up in storage that my folks can BARELY make payments to? Yeah, I've seen it.. And Kyle Reese was more or less a ghost or at the least, a hallucination but it worked in that particular context.
Likewise, we could end up with the same thing for Hicks. We'll have to wait and see I guess.
Quote from: Local Trouble on Mar 07, 2015, 02:43:36 AM
Quote from: Xenomrph on Mar 07, 2015, 02:10:48 AM
The silver lining for AvP fans here is, no matter what Blomkamp wants, it's FOX's sandbox. If they want AvP stuff and want to include his movie in the mix, there isn't a whole lot he can do about it.
Ridley Scott's Prometheus stuff has already been mixed in with Predator and AvP stuff by way of the Fire and Stone comics, and there's even more AvP novels in the pipeline. AvP ain't dead, not by a long shot.
Can you still make it all fit?
Mother and I are still collating. ;)
Yeah, that's the example I've been using (ironically, featuring the same actor). All we have is some art which features him, but for all we know, he might not be 'real', in the same way as in that other film.
Quote from: Xenomorphine on Mar 07, 2015, 03:36:59 AM
Yeah, that's the example I've been using (ironically, featuring the same actor). All we have is some art which features him, but for all we know, he might not be 'real', in the same way as in that other film.
Assuming what you say ends up being.. and Alien 3 and Resurrection are ignored, and Hicks would still be dead.. we have to assume he died from a different death or something?
It was more of a valid theory when it was possible Ripley 8, with her genetic memory stuff, could still have been featuring. Hicks would make sense to feature as a hallucination along those lines. He'd be the one figure she'd associate with who'd be seen as a fellow fighter, in all regards.
Of course, we don't yet know that this Ripley isn't another of the clones, but those other recent quotes make that unlikely.
Still, he could just be featuring as part of a dream sequence. Have to wait and see.
I would be happier if the headline had been Blomkamp says NO to Shared Alien-Predator-Prometheus universe...
Quote from: Magegg on Mar 07, 2015, 04:35:34 AM
I would be happier if the headline had been Blomkamp says NO to Shared Alien-Predator-Prometheus universe...
I would be happier too. Trust me.. I don't want to go a Fire and Stone route.
I just hope they don't retcon this Archie vs Predator. Do away with whatever you want, but Archie stays.
Quote from: EarthAngel on Mar 07, 2015, 05:34:57 AM
I just hope they don't retcon this Archie vs Predator. Do away with whatever you want, but Archie stays.
Uuuuuh.. Considering that Archie does have an established multiverse, that maybe a canonical AU which treats only the first movie as canon. And interestingly enough, Judge Dredd vs Aliens and Judge Dredd vs Predator are both canonical to as far as the Judge Dredd franchise is concerned. Yes, Aliens and Predators legitimately exist in the Dredd universe-- in the case of Dredd vs Predator, it treats the first movie as canon, and by proxy the second movie and the old EU too.
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Quote from: Magegg on Mar 07, 2015, 04:35:34 AM
I would be happier if the headline had been Blomkamp says NO to Shared Alien-Predator-Prometheus universe...
I would be happier too. Trust me.. I don't want to go a Fire and Stone route.
No idea about Fire and Stone, I just think Prometheus is not much compatible with Alien/Aliens in matter of themes... It looks just like they took a single element of the original Alien movie (the space jockey) and they stretched it over an extremely different work. If it they had used a different design for the alien, it could easily have been a completely different unrelated work. I prefer to think about Prometheus as a different series on its own...
EA was joking, Rakai. ;)
Quote from: Xenomorphine on Mar 07, 2015, 02:05:19 PM
EA was joking, Rakai. ;)
I figured he was but.. there was irony in what he said, especially regarding Archie.
That and it just doesn't help that I was (and still am) mentally tired at the time when I posted that.
I personally want zero Predator references in Alien 5. So thank god for this piece of news.
Quote from: Hellspawn28 on Mar 08, 2015, 07:57:26 AM
I personally want zero Predator references in Alien 5. So thank god for this piece of news.
Agreed, and this is coming from someone who likes AvP.
Conversely.. supposedly, there was a Xenomorph skull seen in the camp site in PREDATORS, but I think that was some IMDBer making some bullshit and some of AvPGalaxy's own members had debunked that.
Not sure if we will get any Alien references in Shane's movie. Personally, I hope not-- if his movie connects with PREDATORS. If his movie ignores it.. Maybe... MAYBE.
References done tastefully like the skull in Predator 2 are fine but direct dialogue references would be irritating.
That skull was, indeed, debunked. Elongated. Nothing more.
Quote from: Xenomorphine on Mar 08, 2015, 01:20:32 PM
That skull was, indeed, debunked. Elongated. Nothing more.
Wut?
The skull in 'Predators'. It was just another random ET creature design.
Ohhhhhh, I thought you were talking about Predator 2 for a second.
Now Berserker's jaw bone on his mask on the other hand... Isn't that contested?
I mean Antal and the NECA backstory suggest it's supposed to be a Xenomorph jaw bone but didn't our members also debunk that?
Quote from: RakaiThwei on Mar 08, 2015, 07:55:05 PM
Now Berserker's jaw bone on his mask on the other hand... Isn't that contested?
I mean Antal and the NECA backstory suggest it's supposed to be a Xenomorph jaw bone but didn't our members also debunk that?
NECA came up with a really silly and frankly unbelievable back-story for Berserker, but I think all Antal would have said is that its meant to be the Jaw bone an alien life-form, not necessarily a Xenomorph.
Quote from: RakaiThwei on Mar 08, 2015, 07:55:05 PM
Now Berserker's jaw bone on his mask on the other hand... Isn't that contested?
I mean Antal and the NECA backstory suggest it's supposed to be a Xenomorph jaw bone but didn't our members also debunk that?
Did the NECA packaging specifically say it was an Alien jaw? I don't remember.
Quote from: Xenomrph on Mar 08, 2015, 09:52:55 PM
Quote from: RakaiThwei on Mar 08, 2015, 07:55:05 PM
Now Berserker's jaw bone on his mask on the other hand... Isn't that contested?
I mean Antal and the NECA backstory suggest it's supposed to be a Xenomorph jaw bone but didn't our members also debunk that?
Did the NECA packaging specifically say it was an Alien jaw? I don't remember.
No, just a ridiculous made up background, its on the avp wiki.
Heh... He's a 'Mary Stu'.
He is a headless Mary now. :laugh:
I'm disappointed to be sure, but after two tries to make an AvP film and two utter failures, I can see where he's coming from...
This may be one of the first things I'm actually HAPPY to hear him say. There may have been a time where the PREDATOR and AVP material could work in the ALIEN universe properly but that ship has sailed. I feel like I consider the AvP films part of the Predator franchise and Prometheus sorta part of the ALIEN universe.
Quote from: Chris!(($$))! on Mar 10, 2015, 05:14:25 AM
This may be one of the first things I'm actually HAPPY to hear him say. There may have been a time where the PREDATOR and AVP material could work in the ALIEN universe properly but that ship has sailed. I feel like I consider the AvP films part of the Predator franchise and Prometheus sorta part of the ALIEN universe.
That's one way to look at the franchises, and John Davis probably wanted to fit AvP in more with Predator than Aliens-- which is probably why people are upset about his involvement in the films. I mean
WE ALL wanted it set more in the Alien timeline. And I think a lot of us would've been a lot happier with the end result but we didn't get that.
AVP could fit in more with the Predator franchise but... PREDATORS sort of gets in the way. Of course nothing in the film contradicts the AvP movies, so they could still happen of course but if you take authorial intent and Word of God into account (which in this case would be Rodriguez.. NOT Antal) then PREDATORS ignores Predator 2 and AvP to AvP-R.
I mean there are so many ways to look at the franchises and continuity. It's practically becoming, if not already become like the Godzilla franchise where there are so many continuity branches that canon's lost relevance.
But all in all.. I'm glad that we're not getting another AvP. I most certainly wouldn't want it with the direction Fox is going.