Right the name says it all, post stuff you have only just noticed while watching any of the movies in the franchise. It could be something you didn't notice the first time years ago or even something you only noticed recently, like I did to my shame since I have watched Aliens so many times it should be pouring out of my ears.
So I shall start with the film that inspired this thread, Aliens which I had watched recently and noticed a few things.
1. The Queen was not in the cargo hold of the dropship. This is embarassing for me since I am pretty sure a lot of you already know this one and I can't believe I only noticed it. Basically the Queen was hiding in the landing gear thingy but because she is so huge and so is the gap she came from, I initially thought it was the cargo hold/ramp area.
2. The Queen never lost her grip on Ripley. Another one that passed me by. I always thought the Queen eventually lost her grip on Ripley's foot before going bye bye in space. In actuality, Ripley's boot comes off instead.
3. Vasquez right leg is not the one that was burned by acid. I always assumed it was the leg she used to pin the Alien that got burnt by the acid but nope, what happens is the acid drops onto her left leg that was under the warrior. Also this scene has a blooper in that her arm suddenly gets an arm band when the alien drops down and then it disappears.
Now for another film I decided to watch, if only to see if I missed anything and to play a drinking game. Yes, its requiem. Why isn't there a vomit emoji here!? :laugh:
1. Surprisingly nice visuals in some scenes. This might not be something folks missed as some have said there is one or two shots that are good. In my case, I recently noticed how good the forest scenes looked with the sunlight passing through the trees. Also there is a scene where a cop is approach the sewer entrance and goes in, which was neat and could have been great if the horror was done good in this movie. Related to that scene there is a shot of the the dog coming in with Buddy's arm through the reflection of a puddle which was nice, which reminds me of another good shot earlier where the Predalien is showed in a reflection before killling a predator.
2. Super acid. Watching closely on the forest scene, Buddy's arm falls off from only a drop of acid that suddenly spreads out to the size of his arm.
3. Surviving re-entry. Now as we all know, the predator scout ship crashes because a predator had the great idea to fire his plasma caster twice inside the ship (missing on both counts). Now as the ship had a hull breach, the re-entry should have cooked nearly everything inside the ship.
4. Eddie Morals was a criminal. Those who subject themselves to the film usually tries not to pay too much attention to dialogue. This time though I did. Before when Dallas says "I usually ride in the back" and how he remembers that Eddie was with him on some of those occasions.I initially took that as he was the arresting officer but then Eddie later says he still has trouble convincing some of the locals that he belongs in the job, this was in reply to Dallas jokingly enquiring if the police were hiring. So apparently Eddie was a troublemaker who was actually riding in the back with Dallas.
And since I still am watching it, that is as far as I have noticed so far on that movie.
I will add something I noticed years while working on the wiki as I was taking snapshots to upload. AVP 2004.
1. Facehugger detail. Now the scene where everyone in the sacrificial chamber is attacked is done in seconds, so really speaking there shouldn't really be a need for any serious attention to detail, but there is. When Rousseau is hit by the hugger and she turns around, you can see that it has its tube in her mouth. Of course that causes one to wonder how is she screaming so loudly and clearly then, since the folks below are able to hear it clear as day as well. Obvious reason is because most of the sound in the movie is probably done by ADR.
2. The bodies are still there. When Miller kills the facehugger and camera pans out to reveal the chamber is filled with eggs, there is a passageway next to where Verheiden is cocooned. Rousseau and Thomas' bodies can be seen cocooned there. Roussea is upside down (with the jacket strangely closed since she died with it open) and the body is clearly a dummy. With Thomas, its only his orange coat that can be seen. Note, these are better seen on some behind the scene images as they are barely perceptable in the movie.
3. Different scenes of Scar vs Queen. I might be misremebering but I recall being showed a dvd from a friend, which was not long after the movie came out and it was watchable, but when I got a proper dvd from a store which was the special edition (this has no movie bearing) and I noticed that the scene in where Scar is roaring at the Queen after being impaled was actually completely different from the one in the dvd my friend showed me. I don't know if it was a regional difference or I might be misremembering but it was stuck in my mind.
I'm going to keep my list to ten items, because we'd be here all day.
1. Drake kisses his smartgun during the prep scene.
2. Wierzbowski needs a serious back wax (locker scene).
3. Hudson's knife is attached to a paracord necklace instead of his belt.
4. Drake has a similar paracord necklace.
5. Ferro might be ambidextrous (eats with her right hand, reaches for her pistol with her left).
6. Neither Spunkmeyer or Wierzbowski smile once during the film.
7. Drake is a southpaw.
8. Wierzbowski's eyes are brown, not dark-blue (like I assumed).
9. Hudson has a tattoo in his left elbow (it looks like a key, but everyone on Aliens Legacy says it's a hinge), and one of barbed wire around his neck.
10. Crowe is the smallest male in the unit (I thought it was Spunkmeyer until looking at them side-by-side; they're the same height, but Crowe is a lot thinner).
Just finished Requiem, I feel dirty now :laugh:
Noticed that the marine's motion tracker sound plays when Colonol Stevens is talking to Morales about how they are 10 miles off.
Oh and another old one, when I first watched Aliens decades ago, I actually thought Apone said "Absolutely bad acid" but when I watched it a second time, I realized it was "bad-a**es" :laugh:
For the first film, the scene where Kane wakes up, Parker is miming eating, as there doesn't seem to be anything in that tray of his.
11. Wierzbowski is married (you can see his ring during the briefing scene, and the "absolutely badasses" scene).
12. This face is priceless.
(https://www.picclickimg.com/d/l400/pict/273774289184_/DANIEL-KASH-Robocop-Aliens-Jack.jpg)
13. Hicks playing with the orbital motion toy during breakfast.
14. Hicks miming Vasquez's "where they are."
15. Wierzbowski has a line--not kidding. You can hear him say, "That's right" during Hudson's "Ultimate Badass" speech.
16. Drake wears a tiny bell around his neck, among the other stuff he has.
17. Drake's cap reads, "This End Up."
18. Is that a boxing helmet in Hicks's locker?
19. Ferro has a rabbit's foot near her holster.
20. Drake says, "OK, baby," to Vasquez during the prep scene.
Ash has no legs when attacking Parker without his head. I never noticed it the first time I watched the film but I did on repeat veiwings. Basically Parker is fighting with just a torso :laugh:
New one tonight.
21. Wierzbowski is running around, frantically looking for his helmet during the prep scene, right before the famous "only clear shot of Crowe."
Quote from: TheSailingRabbit on Aug 06, 2019, 07:30:36 PM
11. Wierzbowski is married (you can see his ring during the briefing scene, and the "absolutely badasses" scene).
12. This face is priceless.
https://www.picclickimg.com/d/l400/pict/273774289184_/DANIEL-KASH-Robocop-Aliens-Jack.jpg
13. Hicks playing with the orbital motion toy during breakfast.
14. Hicks miming Vasquez's "where they are."
15. Wierzbowski has a line--not kidding. You can hear him say, "That's right" during Hudson's "Ultimate Badass" speech.
16. Drake wears a tiny bell around his neck, among the other stuff he has.
17. Drake's cap reads, "This End Up."
18. Is that a boxing helmet in Hicks's locker?
19. Ferro has a rabbit's foot near her holster.
20. Drake says, "OK, baby," to Vasquez during the prep scene.
Hicks also has a deflated speed bag hanging in his locker. He clearly likes to box.
Quote from: razeak on Aug 12, 2019, 02:53:49 AMHicks also has a deflated speed bag hanging in his locker. He clearly likes to box.
I think it's a cool little piece to his character.
Quote from: TheSailingRabbit on Aug 12, 2019, 02:36:47 PM
Quote from: razeak on Aug 12, 2019, 02:53:49 AMHicks also has a deflated speed bag hanging in his locker. He clearly likes to box.
I think it's a cool little piece to his character.
It's also awesome to have just discovered this as I'm an avid boxer.
Quote from: razeak on Aug 12, 2019, 02:56:43 PM
Quote from: TheSailingRabbit on Aug 12, 2019, 02:36:47 PM
Quote from: razeak on Aug 12, 2019, 02:53:49 AMHicks also has a deflated speed bag hanging in his locker. He clearly likes to box.
I think it's a cool little piece to his character.
It's also awesome to have just discovered this as I'm an avid boxer.
Would you mind if I asked questions when I add this to Hicks in my writing?
No, not at all.
Having seen Covenant multiple times now, there a few more things I have noticed that I didn't on first viewing, one is the blood during Karine's death scene, there is seemingly way too much blood than what realistically could from either Karine or Ledward.
Also there is an edit bloop when Lope is attacked by the facehugger, as you can see edit jump when it leaps from under the table.
Walter's knife can magically change locations. When Walter is disarmed of the knife, its flung quite a distance away from both David and Walter, but after he slams David into a table (which is no where near where the knife dropped), the knife is conveniently within reach of David.
Reposting this from another topic :
Quote from: Kradan on Sep 16, 2019, 07:48:58 PM
Don't want to invent wheel with it but what I've noticed recently :
Apone A. - Al Mathews , Hudson W. - William (Bill) Paxton, Drake M. - Mark Rolston, Vasquez J. - Jenette Goldstein, Dietrich C. - Cynthia Scott, Wierzbowski T. - Trevor Steedman, Frost R. - Ricco Ross .
Quote from: Kradan on Sep 16, 2019, 10:58:19 PM
... Crowe T. - Tip Tipping
You still left out Ferro and Spunkmeyer.
Oh, for f**k's sake
Quote from: Kradan on Sep 16, 2019, 10:58:19 PM
Quote from: TheSailingRabbit on Sep 16, 2019, 08:34:53 PM
You left out Spunkmeyer and Ferro.
I've discovered that through cameras' imagery Gorman, Burk and Ripley were watching in APC .
And we both forgot about poor Crowe ! :D
Crowe T. - Tip Tipping
I don't remember Spunkmeyer and Ferro having any cameras . They didn't investigate the hive with rest of marines IIRC, did they ?
That's my logic and that's why I haven't memtion them and am not going to.
They didn't have cameras, but their names and initials appear on the hypersleep readout.
Thanks to another member who posted a video about Predator 2, I think its safe to say I certainly did not notice the "marry me" message on any viewing, nevermind the first. :laugh:
I honestly think I would have never have noticed it either until it was pointed out.
Could this be a packet of Balaji Imperial in Lambert's back pocket?
(https://i.postimg.cc/QdrMxGgQ/Screen-Shot-2019-09-20-at-10-21-31-pm.png)
Quote from: The Cruentus on Sep 20, 2019, 11:11:54 AM
Thanks to another member who posted a video about Predator 2, I think its safe to say I certainly did not notice the "marry me" message on any viewing, nevermind the first. :laugh:
I honestly think I would have never have noticed it either until it was pointed out.
I wonder if the dude was cut when the girl didn't respond because she completely missed it? :laugh:
1. ALIEN : During the breakfast on the Nostromo, Ripley launch a sachet to Parker.
2. ALIEN : In the interface room of MU-TH-UR, there are seven screen for each member of the crew. (If Ripley is using the same as Dallas is because she is the captain now). (And I think they didn't understand that is Isolation because in the Apollo core, it is the same configuration).
3. ALIENS : That Bishop wasn't here during the events in the atmospheric processor and always stayed in the colony. And during the plan to escape the planet just before the Dropship's crash, it is bizarre to think that he is alone in Hadley's Hope ^^'.
4. Wierzbowski is giving the finger to Gorman after Gorman gives instructions on the Sulaco.
5. A:CM : We can see the huge smoke emerging from the crashed Sulaco when you are next to the Derelict, which give us an orientation on where is the colony from the Derelict.
6. A:I : There are a few appearances of the Alien during the campaign which are not specilly visible when you are not too attentitve.
Quote from: SM on Sep 20, 2019, 10:02:35 PM
Quote from: The Cruentus on Sep 20, 2019, 11:11:54 AM
Thanks to another member who posted a video about Predator 2, I think its safe to say I certainly did not notice the "marry me" message on any viewing, nevermind the first. :laugh:
I honestly think I would have never have noticed it either until it was pointed out.
I wonder if the dude was cut when the girl didn't respond because she completely missed it? :laugh:
If he did try again, I hope his message was visible for more than one second :laugh: Also I wonder if this costed more than it should have for the budget.
Quote from: Predator@Alien on Sep 20, 2019, 10:33:47 PM
1. ALIEN : During the breakfast on the Nostromo, Ripley launch a sachet to Parker.
2. ALIEN : In the interface room of MU-TH-UR, there are seven screen for each member of the crew. (If Ripley is using the same as Dallas is because she is the captain now). (And I think they didn't understand that is Isolation because in the Apollo core, it is the same configuration).
3. ALIENS : That Bishop wasn't here during the events in the atmospheric processor and always stayed in the colony. And during the plan to escape the planet just before the Dropship's crash, it is bizarre to think that he is alone in Hadley's Hope ^^'.
4. Wierzbowski is giving the finger to Gorman after Gorman gives instructions on the Sulaco.
5. A:CM : We can see the huge smoke emerging from the crashed Sulaco when you are next to the Derelict, which give us an orientation on where is the colony from the Derelict.
6. A:I : There are a few appearances of the Alien during the campaign which are not specilly visible when you are not too attentitve.
Yeah, I remember only noticing during my second playthrough that there were Aliens crawling around on the outside of Sevastopol station, you can see it on your way back to the airlock.
Yes there are one outside Sevastopol, when we are into the comms just after taking the elevator we can see the same Alien inside the air ducts (from the same place where we saw the death of Hughes).
In the second mission, when you are discovering the station, there are three places where ypu can hear it and two more interesting : Just after taking the maintenance jack to Zach Watson, the trolley we saw just before is now reversed, the dishes on it roll on the floor and a stressful sound/music effect can be heard. And at the end of this mission, take the transit quickly otherwise it will appear behind.
In the third mission, the Alien can be seen in the Tech Support HQ after having left the big room with the rocket engine.
In the mission 7, when you are in Seegson Synthetics, in the synthetic fluid peocessing, the Alien can be seen taking a person while the others are shooting at it.
At mission 18, when you are activating the undoking of the Torrens, the Aliens which will attack you after can be seen at some places above and in front of you.
That's it !
The face of the effects technician looking over the wall of the miniature colony set in the added scene of the APC rolling up to the door in the
Aliens SE.
Missed that one for years (think it was SM who first made me aware of it on here) and now I cannot unsee :laugh:
Quote from: TheSailingRabbit on Aug 06, 2019, 04:41:25 PM5. Ferro might be ambidextrous (eats with her right hand, reaches for her pistol with her left).
She's probably busy flying the dropship with her right hand.
Quote from: Predator@Alien on Sep 22, 2019, 07:33:01 AM
Yes there are one outside Sevastopol, when we are into the comms just after taking the elevator we can see the same Alien inside the air ducts (from the same place where we saw the death of Hughes).
In the second mission, when you are discovering the station, there are three places where ypu can hear it and two more interesting : Just after taking the maintenance jack to Zach Watson, the trolley we saw just before is now reversed, the dishes on it roll on the floor and a stressful sound/music effect can be heard. And at the end of this mission, take the transit quickly otherwise it will appear behind.
In the third mission, the Alien can be seen in the Tech Support HQ after having left the big room with the rocket engine.
In the mission 7, when you are in Seegson Synthetics, in the synthetic fluid peocessing, the Alien can be seen taking a person while the others are shooting at it.
At mission 18, when you are activating the undoking of the Torrens, the Aliens which will attack you after can be seen at some places above and in front of you.
That's it !
You missed one - after the scene where the Alien busts through the roof of Seegson Comms and causes the depressurisation near the end of the game, you can see it stalking you through the vent from which you witness Hughes being murdered by the Working Joe during your first visit to the communications centre.
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Sep 25, 2019, 08:14:38 AM
The face of the effects technician looking over the wall of the miniature colony set in the added scene of the APC rolling up to the door in the Aliens SE.
Nope, nope, nope, not gonna check for that. I saw the box behind the egg and Parker's clothespin in
Alien years ago and have never been able to look at anything else in those shots ever since, not adding more to the pile :D
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Sep 25, 2019, 08:14:38 AM
The face of the effects technician looking over the wall of the miniature colony set in the added scene of the APC rolling up to the door in the Aliens SE.
Missed that one for years (think it was SM who first made me aware of it on here) and now I cannot unsee :laugh:
Quote from: TheSailingRabbit on Aug 06, 2019, 04:41:25 PM5. Ferro might be ambidextrous (eats with her right hand, reaches for her pistol with her left).
She's probably busy flying the dropship with her right hand.
Quote from: Predator@Alien on Sep 22, 2019, 07:33:01 AM
Yes there are one outside Sevastopol, when we are into the comms just after taking the elevator we can see the same Alien inside the air ducts (from the same place where we saw the death of Hughes).
In the second mission, when you are discovering the station, there are three places where ypu can hear it and two more interesting : Just after taking the maintenance jack to Zach Watson, the trolley we saw just before is now reversed, the dishes on it roll on the floor and a stressful sound/music effect can be heard. And at the end of this mission, take the transit quickly otherwise it will appear behind.
In the third mission, the Alien can be seen in the Tech Support HQ after having left the big room with the rocket engine.
In the mission 7, when you are in Seegson Synthetics, in the synthetic fluid peocessing, the Alien can be seen taking a person while the others are shooting at it.
At mission 18, when you are activating the undoking of the Torrens, the Aliens which will attack you after can be seen at some places above and in front of you.
That's it !
You missed one - after the scene where the Alien busts through the roof of Seegson Comms and causes the depressurisation near the end of the game, you can see it stalking you through the vent from which you witness Hughes being murdered by the Working Joe during your first visit to the communications centre.
Well, it is a part of my first point ^^'
Oops ;D
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Sep 25, 2019, 08:14:38 AM
The face of the effects technician looking over the wall of the miniature colony set in the added scene of the APC rolling up to the door in the Aliens SE.
Missed that one for years (think it was SM who first made me aware of it on here) and now I cannot unsee :laugh:
And thank to you s I can't unsee it now :laugh:
I am surprised it wasn't edited out on the bluray like the hole around Lance Henrikson was.
Quote from: SiL on Sep 25, 2019, 08:38:00 AM
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Sep 25, 2019, 08:14:38 AM
The face of the effects technician looking over the wall of the miniature colony set in the added scene of the APC rolling up to the door in the Aliens SE.
Nope, nope, nope, not gonna check for that. I saw the box behind the egg and Parker's clothespin in Alien years ago and have never been able to look at anything else in those shots ever since, not adding more to the pile :D
I can live with the box, but not the prop egg John Hurt hits (which visibly moves) when he falls to the ground.
Pretty sure it even makes a sound. :D
22. Gorman is married, and left-handed, and wore his wedding band on his left pinky. After doing some research, I think he did this to keep the ring out of the way.
And the ring falls off at some point during the mission. A friend suggested he took it off before leaving the Sulaco, but the photo I found the ring in is from the APC.
(https://www.therpf.com/forums/attachments/cam00608-jpg.544893/)
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Quote from: TheSailingRabbit on Sep 26, 2019, 12:07:36 PM
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Am I the only one who thinks it looks creepy ?
In Prometheus, Holloway shouts "David, we are leaving!" in an extremely similar way to how Hicks shouts "Marines, we are leaving" in Aliens.
The running gag in Alien 3 that it's always Jude who has to mop up after someone's been killed.
David in Alien 3 aproaching " cgi on the ceiling" Runner is clearly reference to famous Brett's scene.
After Runner's head blows up and Ripley lands on platform she bends to her knees and vomits some amount of water,
In The Predator, after the pred-dog eats the grenade, and right before it explodes, it farts. :D
Quote from: marrerom on Oct 02, 2019, 03:07:35 AM
In The Predator, after the pred-dog eats the grenade, and right before it explodes, it farts. :D
No shit? That's redemption for all of it lmao. I'm literally giggling like I'm stupid out loud after reading that.
Quote from: razeak on Oct 02, 2019, 03:23:45 AM
Quote from: marrerom on Oct 02, 2019, 03:07:35 AM
In The Predator, after the pred-dog eats the grenade, and right before it explodes, it farts. :D
No shit? That's redemption for all of it lmao. I'm literally giggling like I'm stupid out loud after reading that.
Check it out: https://youtu.be/0r3hdUQcaAA?t=115 (https://youtu.be/0r3hdUQcaAA?t=115)
23. Having gotten slightly more interested in Isolation after Hicks's playthrough, I've been doing a lot of reading . . . and found Marlow has a tattoo of meat on his arm.
I mean, I like chocolate, but I don't plan on getting a Reese's Cup inked on me.
Quote from: marrerom on Oct 02, 2019, 04:37:51 AM
Quote from: razeak on Oct 02, 2019, 03:23:45 AM
Quote from: marrerom on Oct 02, 2019, 03:07:35 AM
In The Predator, after the pred-dog eats the grenade, and right before it explodes, it farts. :D
No shit? That's redemption for all of it lmao. I'm literally giggling like I'm stupid out loud after reading that.
Check it out: https://youtu.be/0r3hdUQcaAA?t=115 (https://youtu.be/0r3hdUQcaAA?t=115)
Jesus. I just watched it. Even smoke puffs out of its ass. I have tears running down my face IRL. Greatest movie ever. Also notice what's his face takes cover behind the corpse to shoot at the other like he expects return fire.
I was going to post that no one in Aliens tried to use the door to rescue Ripley when she is being attacked in the medlab, but then it doesn't show you anything either way, it just goes from Ripley to Hicks and the others looking through the window.
It was faster to shoot the window out.
True enough, though a lot of ammo got wasted in that scene. :laugh:
When checking out these scenes, I noticed the wire on the hugger when it strangled Ripley, never noticed it before. I must say that scene just shows how good practical effects and good creativity can be, I think Gillis was woried about the water going backwards due reversing the shot but you can't really notice it.
The effects in that scene are fantastic. I find them to still be very effective, even after all this time.
Quote from: The Cruentus on Dec 31, 2019, 11:12:21 AM
I was going to post that no one in Aliens tried to use the door to rescue Ripley when she is being attacked in the medlab, but then it doesn't show you anything either way, it just goes from Ripley to Hicks and the others looking through the window.
They probably assumed (correctly) that if she hadn't already left the room it was locked.
True, but it may have only been locked from the inside. Taking that into account, as well how strong the glass is, I wonder if the room was used as a quarantine or holding area.
Fair. But as you said, we don't see the Marines until they blow the glass. There's a good chance they simply checked the door while we're busy watching Ripley fight the 'hugger.
Good point plus as SM said, it probably was quicker. Time was of the essence.
Not something I did not notice but just an observation to start. No one has killed a predator on equal terms in equal combat In any movie but predators. The character Hanzo, imo is the most badass of all humans to kill a predator.
A- he did not ambush it
B- it had not been injured by gunfire or by explosives as all the main characters and characters in this film had done
C- He fought it alone without advantage or traps
D- HE KILLED IT WITH A SWORD FFS
Quote from: The Cruentus on Jan 02, 2020, 05:08:28 PM
True, but it may have only been locked from the inside. Taking that into account, as well how strong the glass is, I wonder if the room was used as a quarantine or holding area.
There's no door from the main medical area to the room Ripley and Newt were in You have to go through the stasis lab.
With a fire situation I can't see them checking the door. They just looked through the glass, saw what was happening and shot the window out.
I wonder how Burke's plan would have accounted for the fact that the stasis tubes were actually placed in the same room as Ripley and Newt.
Hoped they be too distracted to notice. Or he'd put them back in the other room after Ripley and Newt has been hugged.
Quote from: Trioxin on Jan 02, 2020, 05:54:13 PM
Not something I did not notice but just an observation to start. No one has killed a predator on equal terms in equal combat In any movie but predators. The character Hanzo, imo is the most badass of all humans to kill a predator.
A- he did not ambush it
B- it had not been injured by gunfire or by explosives as all the main characters and characters in this film had done
C- He fought it alone without advantage or traps
D- HE KILLED IT WITH A SWORD FFS
You're right, actually. Never thought of that.
It's interesting to see, but honestly, I think it totally missed the point of the original obscured deaths.
OWLF > Owlf > oWlf > Wolf
Spoiler
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floW
I'm not entirely sure on this one because it's something I picked up from listening to the soundtrack rather than watching the film, but after Ripley rescues the Marines from the hive in Aliens, there's no score music whatsoever all the way through to the Facehugger attack in medlab.
(I'm trying to remember if the sentry guns scenes have any music in the SE, which would be an even longer gap. Off the top of my head, I don't recall them being scored.)
There's no score for the sentry guns, but there's a short cue when Ripley finds the empty bed and crawls underneath to sleep with her.
Not sure if you've ever watched it with the isolated soundtrack, but the name of each cue pops up on screen when it starts. It's pretty nifty.
I haven't. I keep meaning to though.
The text trivia tracks on the Anthology are another thing I keep meaning to look through.
You know what, I never even noticed that! I had always been so engrossed in the movie and studying the visual details that I didn't think to just listen. I think silence is good for creating its own tension and atmosphere anyway.
Not one from the movies but the game AVP-R
So I got on a weird nostalgia trip and got myself a new PSP with AVP-R and I'm still under the impression it's the best version of AVP-R, but I thought I'd post about some of the things I found kind of neat on a new run.
1.) You can definitely see where Rebellion pulled from for 2010.
At first I was under the impression it was just the Predator's face but the model used in the opening cutscene (the one that looks like Scar) feels like it could've easily been an early exploration for Dark.
This even extends to animations as while things are quicker and far more fluid in 2010, Requiem does use the same sort of run for the Predators and even attack animations down to the heavy attack. The wrist blades seem to be identical in design between both versions.
2.) Wolf has a complete different set of gauntlets.
It actually came as a surprise to me because Wolf is actually rendered with two computer gauntlets with blades mounted on both, again just like in 2010 (I'm not sure why this was a thing). But even stranger is that in Multiplayer there are Predators with different gauntlets which makes it weirder this occurred seeing as Wolf uses a wrist blade gauntlet very similar (if not a re-dressed prop) to the one seen in AVP.
3.) This isn't taking place anywhere close to the film.
In the Highschool level you can find a basketball championship banner which says that they're the champions for 2005. Bear in mind Requiem takes place within days of the original film which takes place in 2004 around October of that year. If the school has already won its 2005 championship, then we're presumably on 2006 or if they lost that it would be 2007 which isn't totally out of the question considering the game released on November 13th 2007. So the game in essence is more than a little late following up to Scar's little accident even if it did take place in 2005 after the championship.
4.) Despite having a model for Scar, they don't use it.
In the crashed Predator ship you can actually find two Predator bodies, one being the mission objective and the other being under a pile of rubble that has unique textures. The one standing in for Scar is strangely a model of Wolf (despite having a model for Scar) and while it's unclear what the body under the rubble is as it's facing down it looks like it doesn't have a mask. The model for the dead Predator is low-poly so it's possible it is Wolf's seeing as an unmasked Wolf at one point did exist (known from screenshots) but this is the only place we can see it.
5.) The Predator 2 trophy wall is in the game.
In the same room with the Predator under the rubble is a few low-poly skulls affixed to the wall. They're low-poly but they are there and they have unique textures representing the bones. I don't know why it's affixed to the wall and not a trophy case nor why its in a separate room when it's in the same place Harrigan walks up to but it's not the same ship anyways. Still odd since it is clearly a reference to that.
I only very recently made the connection that the Alien's death is foreshadowed in 'Alien3'.
Spoiler
the hot bucket cracking when the sprinklers turn on after the chemical explosion, the Alien is killed the same way
Just noticed this interesting detail. At first, I thought it may be the ribbed cable that runs the length of either side of the Alien's head, but it looks like something else instead?
The ribbed 'feeler' (arrowed) rises up rapidly, as the Alien's jaws open:
Spoiler
(https://i.postimg.cc/d3SBh7hd/Screen-Shot-2020-01-27-at-7-06-36-am.png)
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(https://i.postimg.cc/ydLhGJX5/Screen-Shot-2020-01-27-at-7-07-16-am.png)
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(https://i.postimg.cc/DzFqyQxH/Screen-Shot-2020-01-27-at-7-07-24-am.png)
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(https://i.postimg.cc/D0tGV1WC/Screen-Shot-2020-01-27-at-7-07-32-am.png)
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(https://i.postimg.cc/vm36YJgx/Screen-Shot-2020-01-27-at-7-07-42-am.png)
That is interesting, I always imagined parts of the biomechanics functioned like muscles, now we see it.
Lots of folk have noticed this by now but years ago when I first got it on dvd, I paused the part in Alien 3 when Ripey thinks she sees the Runner which turns out to be a pipe, however by pausing it, you can clearly see that the Alien was actually there, so either she was hallucinating or the thing moved really fast before she could strike it.
Before I wasn't sure due to the area resembling the biomechanics of the alien, also during that scene, the basement looks similar to hive, just its metal pipes, wires and wierd walls instead resin.
The Aliens' have much bigger mouths than they first appear; At first it looks like they have a normal gape, but if you look really closely, you can see their jaw continues and has openings PAST WHAT A HUMAN WOULD
In some cases or designs, it's obvious...
(https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/future-of-life-on-earth/images/1/1d/ClonedXenomorphLooking.png/revision/latest?cb=20170128231316)
But in other's it's a little more subtle just how wide their primary jaws can open
(https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/avp/images/8/88/Warrior_looks_at_Vasquez.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20150803082351)
https://imgur.com/a/ZyvYcJg
Generally I prefer the original in such a respect.
Quote from: Elmazalman on Jan 26, 2020, 09:09:38 PM
Just noticed this interesting detail. At first, I thought it may be the ribbed cable that runs the length of either side of the Alien's head, but it looks like something else instead?
The ribbed 'feeler' (arrowed) rises up rapidly, as the Alien's jaws open:
Watching it in motion (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FmtVxKj5lO4&t=30s) it does just look like the cable from the jaw to the back of the head just pops up suddenly. Doesn't happen on the Burke kill.
(that said, I'd
never noticed that, so it's still a good catch :D)
The acid from the facehugger in Alien 3 is far more greener than before, usually their blood is a yellowy green.
Quote from: Fiendishly Inventive on Feb 06, 2020, 06:56:58 AM
Generally I prefer the original in such a respect.
I'll admit the gape can look a little silly at times, but I still kinda like it-It gives off a grinning, predatory vibe, plus it looks like the creature can actually open its mouth up far enough that it at least looks like it can use the actual teeth in its real head.
Quote from: Kenner_Alien_Kaste on Feb 05, 2020, 04:44:27 PM
The Aliens' have much bigger mouths than they first appear; At first it looks like they have a normal gape, but if you look really closely, you can see their jaw continues and has openings PAST WHAT A HUMAN WOULD
In some cases or designs, it's obvious...
(https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/future-of-life-on-earth/images/1/1d/ClonedXenomorphLooking.png/revision/latest?cb=20170128231316)
But in other's it's a little more subtle just how wide their primary jaws can open
(https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/avp/images/8/88/Warrior_looks_at_Vasquez.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20150803082351)
https://imgur.com/a/ZyvYcJg
I noticed the mouth years ago when I was trying to make a 3D model of an Alien. I started with a generic human skull and could not work out for the life of me why it didn't look right. Took me ages to work out that Giger only used the skull - not a human jaw.
Quote from: SM on Feb 06, 2020, 11:49:50 PM
Quote from: Kenner_Alien_Kaste on Feb 05, 2020, 04:44:27 PM
The Aliens' have much bigger mouths than they first appear; At first it looks like they have a normal gape, but if you look really closely, you can see their jaw continues and has openings PAST WHAT A HUMAN WOULD
In some cases or designs, it's obvious...
(https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/future-of-life-on-earth/images/1/1d/ClonedXenomorphLooking.png/revision/latest?cb=20170128231316)
But in other's it's a little more subtle just how wide their primary jaws can open
(https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/avp/images/8/88/Warrior_looks_at_Vasquez.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20150803082351)
https://imgur.com/a/ZyvYcJg
I noticed the mouth years ago when I was trying to make a 3D model of an Alien. I started with a generic human skull and could not work out for the life of me why it didn't look right. Took me ages to work out that Giger only used the skull - not a human jaw.
Yeah, took me a while too. Cuz even in some designs or busts or angles they've got very human like chins-but beyond that they've got a VERY different jaw, which given the nature, size, and amount of teeth they have makes sense-they couldn't exactly fit that prize winning grin on a normal human jawbone.
Quote from: SM on Feb 06, 2020, 11:49:50 PM
I noticed the mouth years ago when I was trying to make a 3D model of an Alien. I started with a generic human skull and could not work out for the life of me why it didn't look right. Took me ages to work out that Giger only used the skull - not a human jaw.
I'm sure I read this somewhere, if not in this book, but I think there's a line in
The Book of ALIEN (1979), that explains Giger did use the lower jaw from the human skull, but sawed through it, cutting it in half (width wise) and elongating it to fit the upper skull (now attached to the long Alien head).
EDIT* I've found the quote. It's from
FANTASTIC FILMS: The Magazine of Visual Fantasy and Science Fiction (September/1979).
Dan O'Bannon on H.R. Giger. Page 14:
"
It was such a beautiful human skull, you know, it had been a real person, not like one of those plastic model kits - and he takes out his hack saw and he saws the jawbone off and extends the jawbone, like six inches, puts an extension in it, and creates this distorted jawbone! Then he starts attaching other fixtures to it and building a new extension on the back of it. He's doing this to a real human skull!"
Interesting, Well at least someone's corpse was getting used for a greater purpose :laugh:
Recently played AVP2010 yesterday and it had been ages since I played it, I only now noticed the opera-like music in the final level of the Predator campaign, it really stands out when using headphones.
In the 70s/80s it could actually be cheaper to use real human bones than props. See also, Poltergeist.
I knew about Poltergeist but never knew they used an actual human skull for the Alien!
Yeah lovely.
24. The sticky cardiac recorder on Gorman's left pec is coming off.
You have to zoom in on it.
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EQ6zofdWAAASz-c.jpg:small)
Quote from: TheSailingRabbit on Feb 24, 2020, 12:49:34 AM
24. The sticky cardiac recorder on Gorman's left pec is coming off.
You have to zoom in on it.
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EQ6zofdWAAASz-c.jpg:small)
There's supposedly a blooper here (never checked it myself). Apparently, as with ALIEN, a mirror was used to extend the set - a second set of sleeping pods (and occupants) can be seen in the background.
If anyone wants to check to see if this is true?
Quote from: Elmazalman on Feb 24, 2020, 08:30:24 PM
Quote from: TheSailingRabbit on Feb 24, 2020, 12:49:34 AM
24. The sticky cardiac recorder on Gorman's left pec is coming off.
You have to zoom in on it.
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EQ6zofdWAAASz-c.jpg:small)
There's supposedly a blooper here (never checked it myself). Apparently, as with ALIEN, a mirror was used to extend the set - a second set of sleeping pods (and occupants) can be seen in the background.
If anyone wants to check to see if this is true?
Daniel Kash mentions this in his interview with AvPGalaxy. They used this technique in one of the powerloader scenes (can't remember which) as well.
Quote from: Elmazalman on Feb 24, 2020, 08:30:24 PM
Quote from: TheSailingRabbit on Feb 24, 2020, 12:49:34 AM
24. The sticky cardiac recorder on Gorman's left pec is coming off.
You have to zoom in on it.
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EQ6zofdWAAASz-c.jpg:small)
There's supposedly a blooper here (never checked it myself). Apparently, as with ALIEN, a mirror was used to extend the set - a second set of sleeping pods (and occupants) can be seen in the background.
If anyone wants to check to see if this is true?
They did use a mirror. Six pods was doubled to twelve from memory. What's the blooper?
A big toe, perhaps?
Quote from: SM on Feb 24, 2020, 11:03:36 PM
They did use a mirror. Six pods was doubled to twelve from memory. What's the blooper?
Something I read about years ago. The blooper was supposed to be the mirrored doubles of the cast can be seen in a shot from the sequence. I just checked and couldn't find it. The director was very careful with his angles.
Oh yes. That whole scene is extremely cleverly shot. Looking at it again there is an error of sorts, but you really have to be paying attention.
EDIT - I shouldn't have looked. There's a whole bunch of hokey stuff Cameron stooged us with in that scene. There's a shot of Spunkmeyer waking up with others in the background - yet his tube is at the end of the row with just a wall behind him. Plus Wierzbowski, Crowe, Bishop and Burke all file past from part of the set/ ship where there are no tubes. Cameron almost hides it behind a pillar and though we wouldn't notice. Well he thought I wouldn't notice.
And he was right.
What error?
The small ductwork, for one.
Quote from: Elmazalman on Feb 25, 2020, 02:07:14 AM
What error?
Hard to explain. As the camera pans past the breakfast table to the tubes it moves past a pillar. To the left of the pillar from our POV is a wall in the background. After panning right part of the wall has been replaced by a mirror to duplicate the tubes. But it'd be very difficult for anyone in those tubes to reach the part of the set for the next scene where the lockers are. There's certainly not enough room for Apone to do his 'Day in the Corps' speech.
The order of tubes occupants starting from closest to camera that we can see is Gorman, Apone, Vasquez, Hicks, Ripley, Drake, Dietrich, Frost. When he starts the speech we see Gorman exiting his tube in the background. As the angle cuts he's standing in front of Ripley's tube, walks past six tubes to reach the end of the line where Hudson and Spunkmeyer are.
Tricksy.
I might write this up properly with pictures.
Or a video?
Quote from: SM on Feb 25, 2020, 01:56:56 AM
...Cameron almost hides it behind a pillar and though we wouldn't notice. Well he thought I wouldn't notice.
And he was right.
Reading between your lines, you are pointing out that the topic has changed from one of "bloopers" to "technique".
I agree. This is no different than the face-hugger scene that was shot in the sprinkler rain, with the camera running in reverse. If you slow-mo the footage I guess you maybe tell the water is splashing backwards... But if so, does that constitute a blooper?
TC
No, because you have to slow it down to notice it. You can notice a jump cut, but not rain running backwards and I wouldn't call a jump cut a blooper.
With the cryotube scene, you can pick the continuity/ geography error (for lack of a better term) at normal speed. He's pulled a bunch of different camera tricks. Kind of like the APC interior and exterior, which cleverly masked by having Frost jump out, but with his the head ducked down and running away from camera making him look smaller and the focus being on Vasquez - the shortest - so as to hide the scale differences.
Quote from: Local Trouble on Feb 25, 2020, 02:45:48 AM
Or a video?
Yeah, probably. If I find time to record it.
And remember to put EXPLAINED in the title.
Lol.
Something I noticed a while ago.
This brief insert shot appears shortly before Dallas is taken. Could this be outtake footage from Brett's earlier search for Jones?
(https://i.postimg.cc/vBTz2741/Screen-Shot-2020-02-26-at-9-37-48-pm.png)
Lobby card:
(https://i.postimg.cc/3NDZYKCY/Screen-Shot-2020-02-26-at-9-28-27-pm.jpg)
The Weyland-Yutani logo, which I believe was designed by Cameron, is a giant W for Weyland, right? But I never realized the little white shapes are the Y (for Yutani) peeking through from behind:
(https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTzoLLPiyCnuOZ3mGSwKw-lT1f14Wj5TS3BRTbbWe7rIlSbAPmxDLHXGEgT&s=10)
It looks like others, in reproducing the design, have failed to recognize the Y shape as well (see this version, how the Y pieces are different? ):
(https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQY9OujLA_caWycrkvjloSX0uBA9V2ziuyhGVkZrn1Mp0JnEIgbLspwt4WmKA&s=10)
TC
Pretty sure Ron Cobb designed it.
The second design just increases the margin between the Y and W, but still communicates the idea.
It's a pet peeve of mine how so many reproductions of the logo reduce the Y behind to simple triangles.
Quote from: HuDaFuK on May 29, 2020, 11:27:39 AM
It's a pet peeve of mine how so many reproductions of the logo reduce the Y behind to simple triangles.
Blame Alien 3. The WY logo in that used the simple triangles on everything from the EEV's flight recorder to the Fury 161 jackets.
Quote from: TC on May 29, 2020, 11:08:04 AM
The Weyland-Yutani logo, which I believe was designed by Cameron, is a giant W for Weyland, right? But I never realized the little white shapes are the Y (for Yutani) peeking through from behind:
https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTzoLLPiyCnuOZ3mGSwKw-lT1f14Wj5TS3BRTbbWe7rIlSbAPmxDLHXGEgT&s=10
It looks like others, in reproducing the design, have failed to recognize the Y shape as well (see this version, how the Y pieces are different? ):
https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQY9OujLA_caWycrkvjloSX0uBA9V2ziuyhGVkZrn1Mp0JnEIgbLspwt4WmKA&s=10
TC
Ron Cobb designed it
The bottom is not symmetrical either, the lower part of the Y is closer to one side than the other.
Quote from: TC on May 29, 2020, 11:08:04 AM
The Weyland-Yutani logo, which I believe was designed by Cameron, is a giant W for Weyland, right? But I never realized the little white shapes are the Y (for Yutani) peeking through from behind:
https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTzoLLPiyCnuOZ3mGSwKw-lT1f14Wj5TS3BRTbbWe7rIlSbAPmxDLHXGEgT&s=10
It looks like others, in reproducing the design, have failed to recognize the Y shape as well (see this version, how the Y pieces are different? ):
https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQY9OujLA_caWycrkvjloSX0uBA9V2ziuyhGVkZrn1Mp0JnEIgbLspwt4WmKA&s=10
TC
They noticed the Y - they just didn't do a great job of recreating it.
HOW TO GET THE NIT-PICKY DETAILS RIGHT IN THE ALIENS-STYLE W-Y LOGO:
(https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn%3AANd9GcS4It8Pkvcbg-GCPZwCEU9BsD70NkspDkxFrxrbT3ztyQRQJris&usqp=CAU)
(https://i.postimg.cc/sf0M6QNn/Weyland-Yutani-logo-how-to.jpg) (https://postimages.org/)
(https://media.giphy.com/media/LOcPt9gfuNOSI/giphy.gif)
Hudson's boots.
That shot raises a couple of questions in my mind: a) how deep do the colony's sub-levels actually go and b) why weren't there any alien corpses at the bottom of that chasm?
We see Alien bits stuck to the hive walls, so presumably corpses are taken away and reused.
If only someone did videos about that sort of thing...
As for how many levels - there's one below SB. The one with the water.
You have an alien corpse video?
One talks about where the body might be - if there was a body.
One in the works that talks about bits in the hive.
Quote from: SiL on Jun 08, 2020, 02:41:48 AM
We see Alien bits stuck to the hive walls, so presumably corpses are taken away and reused.
Huh. Neat
Imagine if one of the first things the marines saw when they entered the building was the corpse of a fully-grown alien soldier.
Watched Prometheus last night. I can bet when Shaw starts recording her final message a la Ripley you can hear a distinct sound. I assume it means some sort of recording device starts working.
Also, it looks totally like a Predator targeting laser to me lol:
I've seen a couple of the more passionate members of the 'everything is canon' crowd swear that's an intentional Predator targeting laser because they don't know what a lens flare is.
Before Alien 3 premiered, I recall at least one online fan theory being that a predator would show up to kill the alien at the end...
Quote from: SM on Jun 08, 2020, 09:42:13 PM
I've seen a couple of the more passionate members of the 'everything is canon' crowd swear that's an intentional Predator targeting laser because they don't know what a lens flare is.
I don't claim it is - but it sure as hell looks like it !
Found it:
https://www.alien-covenant.com/topic/43346 (https://www.alien-covenant.com/topic/43346)
Quote from: Local Trouble on Jun 08, 2020, 10:08:00 PM
Before Alien 3 premiered, I recall at least one online fan theory being that a predator would show up to kill the alien at the end...
You almost got me with it. Good job
It's true. Back then, "online" was restricted to dial-up services like CompuServe, Prodigy and AOL. They weren't connected to the internet in those days.
Oh f**k it. I wasn't even born yet so how the f**k should I know it.
Also:
Quote from: AhabPredator on Mar 10, 2019, 02:35:28 AM
He's no Local Trouble. :laugh:
That hombre is a troll in the best kind of way. And sometimes he's so convincing it's hard to know if he is kidding.
You're so skeptical.
That's his secret, he's always kidding. ;D
Quote from: Kradan on Jun 08, 2020, 10:36:16 PM
Quote from: SM on Jun 08, 2020, 09:42:13 PM
I've seen a couple of the more passionate members of the 'everything is canon' crowd swear that's an intentional Predator targeting laser because they don't know what a lens flare is.
I don't claim it is - but it sure as hell looks like it !
Found it:
https://www.alien-covenant.com/topic/43346 (https://www.alien-covenant.com/topic/43346)
Yikes... I do not judge many of the denizens of SciFied harshly - but it is often difficult.
I love watching SM work. You can practically hear the anguish of their souls being torn from their bodies as he rains all over their parade.
Wet blanket is my middle name.
But why couldn't Ridley just edit it out? ???
It's a hell of a funny coincidence for something resembling a Predator targeting laser to accidentally show up in an Alien prequel of all places, but even I was able to recognize it as a coincidence.
I remember trying to explain to someone how lens flares work and why they were on the opposite side of the screen to the lightsource and it just ... did not get through to them.
They desperately want the series to veer back into AvP territory. Some of the young'ns never experienced a time when Alien wasn't inextricably associated with Predator and can't understand why they're not that way now.
Quote from: Local Trouble on Jun 09, 2020, 03:09:21 AM
But why couldn't Ridley just edit it out? ???
Yeah, why ?
Why would he?
Ridley. Ridley and Predators. No friend, no love. HATE, HATE, HATE !
Quote from: Local Trouble on Jun 08, 2020, 10:08:00 PM
Before Alien 3 premiered, I recall at least one online fan theory being that a predator would show up to kill the alien at the end...
Lies. The internet didn't exist then! It was all mailing fan clubs! :P
Quote from: SM on Jun 09, 2020, 12:41:04 AM
Quote from: Kradan on Jun 08, 2020, 10:36:16 PM
Quote from: SM on Jun 08, 2020, 09:42:13 PM
I've seen a couple of the more passionate members of the 'everything is canon' crowd swear that's an intentional Predator targeting laser because they don't know what a lens flare is.
I don't claim it is - but it sure as hell looks like it !
Found it:
https://www.alien-covenant.com/topic/43346 (https://www.alien-covenant.com/topic/43346)
Yikes... I do not judge many of the denizens of SciFied harshly - but it is often difficult.
You're much kinder than me when it comes to that website then...
Quote from: Local Trouble on Jun 09, 2020, 04:45:27 AM
They desperately want the series to veer back into AvP territory. Some of the young'ns never experienced a time when Alien wasn't inextricably associated with Predator and can't understand why they're not that way now.
Until they make a good one, it will always be craved by those of taste! :P
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Jun 09, 2020, 06:40:02 AM
Quote from: Local Trouble on Jun 08, 2020, 10:08:00 PM
Before Alien 3 premiered, I recall at least one online fan theory being that a predator would show up to kill the alien at the end...
Lies. The internet didn't exist then! It was all mailing fan clubs! :P
I've told the same ! :D
Not exactly something I've never noticed before but interesting nonetheless:
When Ripley is recording her final message in Alien she makes noticable pause before mentioning Ash in the list of dead crew members. it's so small but reflects her feelings towards the android perfectly. It always comes to my mind while rewatching the movie and makes me appreciate Sigourney's acting even more
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Jun 09, 2020, 06:40:02 AM
Quote from: Local Trouble on Jun 08, 2020, 10:08:00 PM
Before Alien 3 premiered, I recall at least one online fan theory being that a predator would show up to kill the alien at the end...
Lies. The internet didn't exist then! It was all mailing fan clubs! :P
Those were the days.
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Jun 09, 2020, 06:40:02 AM
Quote from: Local Trouble on Jun 09, 2020, 04:45:27 AM
They desperately want the series to veer back into AvP territory. Some of the young'ns never experienced a time when Alien wasn't inextricably associated with Predator and can't understand why they're not that way now.
Until they make a good one, it will always be craved by those of taste! :P
Bleh!
I hadn't noticed a particular difference between the Alien chestburster, and the one we saw in Aliens. The latter has long and already developed arms.
(https://i.imgur.com/k73h8Xr.jpg)
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Jun 09, 2020, 06:40:02 AM
Quote from: Local Trouble on Jun 08, 2020, 10:08:00 PM
Before Alien 3 premiered, I recall at least one online fan theory being that a predator would show up to kill the alien at the end...
Lies. The internet didn't exist then! It was all mailing fan clubs! :P
Quote from: SM on Jun 09, 2020, 12:41:04 AM
Quote from: Kradan on Jun 08, 2020, 10:36:16 PM
Quote from: SM on Jun 08, 2020, 09:42:13 PM
I've seen a couple of the more passionate members of the 'everything is canon' crowd swear that's an intentional Predator targeting laser because they don't know what a lens flare is.
I don't claim it is - but it sure as hell looks like it !
Found it:
https://www.alien-covenant.com/topic/43346 (https://www.alien-covenant.com/topic/43346)
Yikes... I do not judge many of the denizens of SciFied harshly - but it is often difficult.
You're much kinder than me when it comes to that website then...
Quote from: Local Trouble on Jun 09, 2020, 04:45:27 AM
They desperately want the series to veer back into AvP territory. Some of the young'ns never experienced a time when Alien wasn't inextricably associated with Predator and can't understand why they're not that way now.
Until they make a good one, it will always be craved by those of taste! :P
About 8 years ago, I used to be a member and later a moderator at SciFied under the username Shambs (short for Shambhala). I quit for three main reasons:
1. I started to dislike the staff of the site. Not to mention the click bait habit, which I always hated.
2. Browsing the site was already a pain in the ass back then.
3. I was friendzoned by a girl I liked at the time lol
Edit: Please don't hate me. :-X
(https://i.imgflip.com/3x8mse.gif)
Whoa! I said I was a member of Scified, not Randy Pitchford. ::)
Anyway, have a cookie. 🍪🍪🍪
(https://i.imgur.com/WClvusf.gif)
When David is bombing the Covenant Engineers, the falling urns resemble a DNA sequence.
(https://i.imgur.com/pybwHv4.gif)
(https://i.imgur.com/49C3JMd.gif)
Recently Sil mentioned about brightening up AVP-R though he said someone would have to pay him first :laugh:
Well it inspired to look at a few scenes with the contrast and brightness altered to see if I could see a blooper or an interesting background event.
Sure enough I did. During the scene where the homeless men are attacked, the first man attacked convulses on the floor after falling unconscious and the air sacs of the hugger expand out at the same time. Its barely visible at its default brightness. It shows some detail went into that shot even though its only for a second.
During the same scene, if you look in the background when the Alien is arriving, you can see a crane or some arm along with alien moving into shot. It is noticible when watching it normally but it really stands out when the brightness is enhanced.
Quote from: The Cruentus on Jun 21, 2020, 05:27:31 PM
Recently Sil mentioned about brightening up AVP-R though he said someone would have to pay him first :laugh:
Well it inspired to look at a few scenes with the contrast and brightness altered to see if I could see a blooper or an interesting background event.
Sure enough I did. During the scene where the homeless men are attacked, the first man attacked convulses on the floor after falling unconscious and the air sacs of the hugger expand out at the same time. Its barely visible at its default brightness. It shows some detail went into that shot even though its only for a second.
During the same scene, if you look in the background when the Alien is arriving, you can see a crane or some arm along with alien moving into shot. It is noticible when watching it normally but it really stands out when the brightness is enhanced.
Curious find! :o Who knows what else could be there hidden in the darkness. This film needs more study. 8)
Quote from: Immortan Jonesy on Jun 21, 2020, 05:31:47 PM
This film needs more study. 8)
(https://i.ytimg.com/vi/9ddJyWLqbt4/hqdefault.jpg)
Does it though? :D
Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Jun 21, 2020, 05:58:27 PM
Quote from: Immortan Jonesy on Jun 21, 2020, 05:31:47 PM
This film needs more study. 8)
https://i.ytimg.com/vi/9ddJyWLqbt4/hqdefault.jpg
Does it though? :D
Well not really. :laugh:
(https://i.ytimg.com/vi/UkLtnp4vD8M/hqdefault.jpg)
Quote from: Immortan Jonesy on Jun 21, 2020, 05:31:47 PMThis film needs more study. 8)
(https://www3.pictures.zimbio.com/mp/7aRQwqq77srl.jpg)
While I knew AVP 2004 had more than just the one plasmacaster I didn't know there was another model that actually got mounted on a suit. It can be seen in the flashback where the Predators lose and you'd be forgiven for missing it since it's so small and Scar's is the only one we get a good look at. It's almost like a bigger JH.
(https://i.ytimg.com/vi/6gGdGOiMQvs/hqdefault.jpg)
In the same flashback the scimitars actually got some usage as well. The Predator on the left is using it during this sequence and again since it's so brief you'd be forgiven for missing it actually getting used.
-Edit
Just going through that scene again, a ship resembling the 87 ship is seen docked in the mothership during the flashback. So apparently that' not just a thing with AVP 2010. I guess we do have some sense of scale for the 87 ship.
The P1 ship is also seen in present when the Predator ship passes overhead.
the upgrade predator has a gold upper left tusk in some scenes
Quote from: Tichinde on Aug 04, 2020, 01:44:51 AM
the upgrade predator has a gold upper left tusk in some scenes
I did like that little detail, fits in with their space pirate tendencies.
(https://i.imgur.com/7k28gAr.gif)
Someone showed me a video of BTS in Predator 2 when the FX crew are preparing the skinned bodies for the penthouse. I always thought they just made a bunch of bodies but as it turns out the bodies actually have some damage from how the Predator kills them earlier. The guy that got impaled and lifted up by City Hunter's wristblades still has the wound even on the skinned torso which is crazy to me since you can barely see it in the final film.
That's just how they did movies back then
- There is a lot of ketchup and Cheerios lying around Sevastopol.
- I just noticed Ricardo's badge is silver, while Waits's is gold. Boyfriend suggested it's to denote difference in rank.
Quote from: TheSailingRabbit on Sep 06, 2020, 06:13:57 PM
- I just noticed Ricardo's badge is silver, while Waits's is gold. Boyfriend suggested it's to denote difference in rank.
Probably. Same goes for officer rank pins in the US military.
https://www.defense.gov/Resources/Insignias/
(https://i.ibb.co/YWskVm0/388px-Ron-Cobb-Nostromo-ship-ramp-Book-of-Alien.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/Gss3kGP/8646f7c8ad2c0030e8f6ec125ef90e22.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/QXdvxxp/steve-burg-ext-cov-sail-material-study-007-resize.jpg)
Hadn't noticed before some similarities between the Covenant exterior and some Ron Cobb's designs of the Nostromo.
Quote from: Immortan Jonesy on Oct 26, 2020, 04:49:09 PM
https://i.ibb.co/YWskVm0/388px-Ron-Cobb-Nostromo-ship-ramp-Book-of-Alien.jpg
(https://i.ibb.co/Gss3kGP/8646f7c8ad2c0030e8f6ec125ef90e22.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/QXdvxxp/steve-burg-ext-cov-sail-material-study-007-resize.jpg)
Hadn't noticed before some similarities between the Covenant exterior and some Ron Cobb's designs of the Nostromo.
And that little schematic in the bottom-right corner of the first picture looks remarkably similar to the WY logo design in
Aliens...
I always knew there were skeletons in the Aliens hive from continuity stills, but had never seen one in the film. Until today.
Quote from: SM on Nov 12, 2020, 09:36:48 AM
I always knew there were skeletons in the Aliens hive from continuity stills, but had never seen one in the film. Until today.
I did not know that. I will now go and look closelllly!!! :o
In Alien Covenant, when Daniels and Walter go into the terraforming bay to secure the truck, you can see Daniels breath misting in the cold air when she speaks but when Walter speaks there is nothing. A nice little touch.
Today I recognized Clemens of Alien 3 as Tywin Lannister :o
Better late than never. ;D
I never knew Zeta 2 Reticuli was a real dual-star system.
Quote from: SM on Nov 12, 2020, 09:36:48 AM
I always knew there were skeletons in the Aliens hive from continuity stills, but had never seen one in the film. Until today.
(https://i.imgur.com/yMNyR88.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/EcNzTm0.jpg)
I never noticed there being actual skeletons before. What scene exactly can it be spotted in the film itself?
Quote from: Gr33n M4n on Nov 13, 2020, 10:10:09 PM
I never knew Zeta 2 Reticuli was a real dual-star system.
Better yet, it has suspiciously familiar planets.
Quote from: SM on Nov 12, 2020, 09:36:48 AM
I always knew there were skeletons in the Aliens hive from continuity stills, but had never seen one in the film. Until today.
Timestamp pls
About 1:08:15 (special edition). Camera pans down as Hicks looks into an empty egg and it's in the wall behind him.
Cheers.
Alien 3 canteen. There is religious symbols and doodling from the inmates in the background. I had never noticed it before, its a nice touch.
The skeleton thing seems to be a bit odd when you think about it. It would take longer than two weeks to be decomposed to that extent. While you could say that maybe the chestbursters/aliens had eaten them, it woud not explain why other corpses are then left untouched.
They were full.
Quote from: TheSailingRabbit on Sep 06, 2020, 06:13:57 PM
- There is a lot of ketchup and Cheerios lying around Sevastopol.
- I just noticed Ricardo's badge is silver, while Waits's is gold. Boyfriend suggested it's to denote difference in rank.
There better damn well be plenty of ketchup and cereal. Otherwise it would have been uncivilized.
Ash never takes a bite of anything. He reaches for cereal but never eats it.
I couldn't find the two skeletons in the shot above. Now I'm obssessed. Notes of corpses:
1:07:48 Right of Vasquez. Upside down skull. May also be a hand showing just above her shoulder on our left.
1:10:21 Colonist on the wall to the right of Vasquez. Shoes are pretty obvious.Legs and feet on upper left. Some visibile bits above egg in center of the frame.
1:10:27 Open egg in lower left frame. 4k might reveal something above it. I only have 1080p for now.
1:10:30 Bingo. Colonist above Hudson on left of screen.
1:10:43 first clear shot of colonist. Same one as at the 1:10:21 mark I think.
1:10:48 Clear shot on a helmet cam
1:11:02 Obvious to right of Vasquez
1:11:09 I think this is the one SM was talking about. Wow. I never noticed it either. That poor bloke is skeletonized. He's upside down. Arm looks broken possibly.
1:11:31 Looks like leg with an orange jumpsuit. To left of that could be the back of a skull and spinal column. Hard to tell with all the other bulbous bits.
1:11:45 Dietrich passes that leg. Looks like a shoe to me. The continuity is excellent. wow.
1:11:50 Barely visible above Hudson. Same orange person.
1:11:55 The live colonist.
1:14:05 interesting. no colonists, but Frost looks like he's actually transfixed on the alien and is taking aim with the pistol. like he can't believe what he's seeing and the flame surprises him in that manner. excellent.
1:14:05 Colonist clearly illuminated as Dietrich is dragged up the wall. Right after Frost falls. Super obivous. I never noticed it lol.
1:14:12 same two visible colonist as earlier. Right and left of Wierzbowski.
1:14:23 Never noticed Hicks taking cover during the explosion. What the hell have I been doign all of these years lol.
1:14:43 looks like Wierzbowksi's blood on the column he hit.
2:16:59 Left of Ripley's shoulder.
2:17:05 Same bent leg person in area Marines passed through. Face slightly visible. I would say the grenades blew that corpse apart. Same corpse as 2:16:59. Open eggs were there earlier. Closed eggs there now. Queen tidied the hive. There might be a set of legs visible right above that corpse. I'm not sure.
Awesome. Thanks for the timestamps.
I'm on special edition on vudu. 3 min difference from SM. Odd. I wonder what I missed in those shots.
In Alien Resurrection, (I watched it again last night)
a) When Ripley is attacked by the Facehugger, she actually rips the tail off.
2) When Elgyn dies, his guns that are all strapped to him teleport to the floor next to him
- When the soldier gets shot in the head by Christie, smoke comes out of his head
In The Predator the disk that gets fired from Fugitive's gauntlet comes out of the computer part of the gauntlet Rory is later playing with. Meaning had Quinn not accidentally fired it Rory might've got split in half had he pressed the wrong button. Like the top just slides right off.
I can't imagine too many people would've got upset over that ;D
Spoiler
*cough*Voodoo*cough*SiL*cough*Huggs*cough*
Quote from: Dingbat on Jan 19, 2021, 11:44:27 AM
In Alien Resurrection, (I watched it again last night)
a) When Ripley is attacked by the Facehugger, she actually rips the tail off.
2) When Elgyn dies, his guns that are all strapped to him teleport to the floor next to him
- When the soldier gets shot in the head by Christie, smoke comes out of his head
I think she actually chewed the tail off as well. :laugh:
In Alien: Isolation during LV-426 flashback mission when blue arrow on Marlow's hand-held tracker moves up one can hear sounds reminiscent of distress signal from 2003 DC of Alien
I was looking at the aliens from the third Riddick film and it made me wonder if the mouth head was based on the skull next to Xenomorph skull in Predator 2?
(https://scontent-sjc3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t39.30808-6/fr/cp0/e15/q65/217757780_341496067465556_2535890872723737957_n.jpg?_nc_cat=107&ccb=1-3&_nc_sid=110474&efg=eyJpIjoidCJ9&_nc_ohc=XnpATBGaF6YAX_viBDl&_nc_ht=scontent-sjc3-1.xx&oh=35a940088f1d5961931317655cc288cd&oe=60FD7C0D)
(https://scontent-sjc3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t39.30808-6/fr/cp0/e15/q65/217569370_341496350798861_7711615360955960258_n.jpg?_nc_cat=106&ccb=1-3&_nc_sid=110474&efg=eyJpIjoidCJ9&_nc_ohc=ejSBZ_96HsQAX-_piI8&_nc_ht=scontent-sjc3-1.xx&oh=1d329c4030ed3b16c37bca6077a5cd31&oe=60FCB9C0)
I think having a crossover of Riddick and the Alien and Predator franchises would be interesting. Riddick's verse is set in a universe that could easily be tied to the Xenos and Yautja. I mean twice Riddick has faced aliens not too dissimilar to the Xenos.
Except the whole Necromongers stuff.
Riddick vs Predator feels more fitting a crossover concept to me than Alien vs Predator does, to be quite honest. :D
Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Jul 21, 2021, 09:33:32 PM
Riddick vs Predator feels more fitting a crossover concept to me than Alien vs Predator does, to be quite honest. :D
Riddick vs the Predator would be epic. The ultimate prey.
(https://scontent-sea1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t39.30808-6/fr/cp0/e15/q65/221999135_341511000797396_5392452151210699565_n.jpg?_nc_cat=105&ccb=1-3&_nc_sid=110474&efg=eyJpIjoidCJ9&_nc_ohc=Qt0Vv6CFUNcAX9qW0cN&tn=hjHmWW9HJOPHPAZc&_nc_ht=scontent-sea1-1.xx&oh=d7cdabb726d9ed481e3043afb6163090&oe=60FC9D38)
(https://scontent-sea1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t39.30808-6/fr/cp0/e15/q65/221889050_341511407464022_7373100602823931934_n.jpg?_nc_cat=104&ccb=1-3&_nc_sid=110474&efg=eyJpIjoidCJ9&_nc_ohc=PIT1uporMVMAX8MBseI&tn=hjHmWW9HJOPHPAZc&_nc_ht=scontent-sea1-1.xx&oh=9648ab913d2df0c5d407f65976a9e33c&oe=60FE5F4C)
Quote from: Immortan Jonesy on Jul 21, 2021, 09:55:04 PM
Quote from: SiL on Jul 21, 2021, 09:29:03 PM
Except the whole Necromongers stuff.
Just as Asians look different from Westerners being the same species, I'd say that they are all Engineers. :laugh:
Bow that you mention it, the Necromonger armor looks similar to Engineer suite in Prometheus. Plus the religion and culture of the Engineers could be called Necromancy, sacrifice and death that brings life.
Quote from: Immortan Jonesy on Jul 21, 2021, 09:57:56 PM
Quote from: SiL on Jul 21, 2021, 09:29:03 PM
Except the whole Necromongers stuff.
Just as Asians look different from Westerners being the same species, I suggest that Necromongers are all Engineers.
The Engineer armor is very similiar to Necromonger armor. As is their concept of rebirth through death; the Engineers believing sacrifice (death) is necessary to create new life, and the Necromongers with Underverse (Underworld).
Quote from: City Hunter Yautja on Jul 21, 2021, 09:52:11 PM
Quote from: Immortan Jonesy on Jul 21, 2021, 09:55:04 PM
Quote from: SiL on Jul 21, 2021, 09:29:03 PM
Except the whole Necromongers stuff.
Just as Asians look different from Westerners being the same species, I'd say that they are all Engineers. :laugh:
Bow that you mention it, the Necromonger armor looks similar to Engineer suite in Prometheus. Plus the religion and culture of the Engineers could be called Necromancy, sacrifice and death that brings life.
Quote from: Immortan Jonesy on Jul 21, 2021, 09:57:56 PM
Quote from: SiL on Jul 21, 2021, 09:29:03 PM
Except the whole Necromongers stuff.
Just as Asians look different from Westerners being the same species, I suggest that Necromongers are all Engineers.
The Engineer armor is very similiar to Necromonger armor. As is their concept of rebirth through death; the Engineers believing sacrifice (death) is necessary to create new life, and the Necromongers with Underverse (Underworld).
If we merge them we can have some kind of Warhammer 40k-style religous empire. 8)
Quote from: Immortan Jonesy on Jul 21, 2021, 10:11:26 PM
Quote from: City Hunter Yautja on Jul 21, 2021, 09:52:11 PM
Quote from: Immortan Jonesy on Jul 21, 2021, 09:55:04 PM
Quote from: SiL on Jul 21, 2021, 09:29:03 PM
Except the whole Necromongers stuff.
Just as Asians look different from Westerners being the same species, I'd say that they are all Engineers. :laugh:
Bow that you mention it, the Necromonger armor looks similar to Engineer suite in Prometheus. Plus the religion and culture of the Engineers could be called Necromancy, sacrifice and death that brings life.
Quote from: Immortan Jonesy on Jul 21, 2021, 09:57:56 PM
Quote from: SiL on Jul 21, 2021, 09:29:03 PM
Except the whole Necromongers stuff.
Just as Asians look different from Westerners being the same species, I suggest that Necromongers are all Engineers.
The Engineer armor is very similiar to Necromonger armor. As is their concept of rebirth through death; the Engineers believing sacrifice (death) is necessary to create new life, and the Necromongers with Underverse (Underworld).
If we merge them we can have some kind of Warhammer 40k-style religous gothic empire. 8)
It would be an epic merger, and perhaps the Lord Marshal encountered a Xenomorph in Underverse, and was desolating worlds ahead of time to prevent outbreaks. ;)
Quote from: SiL on Jul 21, 2021, 09:29:03 PM
Except the whole Necromongers stuff.
Yeah, if it weren't for the second film, I could see
Pitch Black and
Riddick slotting into the alien universe, sometime around the period that
Alien: Resurrection is set, or maybe a bit before. The ships and technology feel compatible with that sort of era, in the same way that
Outland is a good fit with the original
Alien.
All flutes are a reference to Zelda.
Quote from: Immortan Jonesy on Jul 24, 2021, 04:22:58 AM
All flutes are a reference to Zelda.
Pan the god says, "what?!"
Quote from: Immortan Jonesy on Jul 24, 2021, 04:22:58 AM
All flutes are a reference to Zelda.
I just realised I lied in the
Dune thread: I actually also played
Ocarina of Time. Best Game ever.
Quote from: kwisatz on Jul 24, 2021, 10:38:39 PM
Quote from: Immortan Jonesy on Jul 24, 2021, 04:22:58 AM
All flutes are a reference to Zelda.
I just realised I lied in the Dune thread: I actually also played Ocarina of Time. Best Game ever.
That isn't a lie, a lapse, but not a lie. We all have them.
Brightness boosted and zoomed in pic seems to reveal a plastic tube, fed from Yaphet Kotto's back, up through his ear to his forehead.
Similarly, Harry Dean Stanton had plastic tubes fed through his hair under the baseball cap for the deleted "head crush" scene.
(https://i.postimg.cc/R0xnT1GJ/Screen-Shot-2021-07-18-at-10-24-54-pm-2.jpg)
The creators of Alien obviously weren't anticipating pausable and screengrabable 4k home releases and photoshop.
The screenshot is from the old 1999 DVD release.
I chose it because it has the brightest image, and without the crushed blacks, from later releases. I did boost the brightness to make it easier to see.
So i've been watching Requiem
1. Aboard kernel Stevens' plane one can definetly hear sounds of MU/TH/UR 6000
2. Is line "We aren't gonna make it, are we ? " reference to T2 ?
It might be obvious to many by now :laugh: but I just noticed that the botom by which the Covenant's crew enters David's Juggernaut, which at the same time is the same place from where the bombardment is executed, could be the same place from storage (without the opening of the platform on the floor and all the magnetic mechanism) that we saw in PROMETHEUS through which David enters the Juggernaut of the last Engineer.
(https://i.ibb.co/qstvytS/Pics-Art-08-15-10-12-41.png)
The sets aren't the same to my eyes, but I 100% expect it's supposed to be the same location/type of room.
Quote from: Immortan Jonesy on Aug 16, 2021, 03:18:42 AM
It might be obvious to many by now :laugh: but I just noticed that the botom by which the Covenant's crew enters David's Juggernaut, which at the same time is the same place from where the bombardment is executed, could be the same place from storage (without the opening of the platform on the floor and all the magnetic mechanism) that we saw in PROMETHEUS through which David enters the Juggernaut of the last Engineer.
https://i.ibb.co/qstvytS/Pics-Art-08-15-10-12-41.png
The juggernaut David and Shaw use isn't the same one that had the last engineer in it though (because it crashed). Still, that doesn't mean it isn't supposed to be the same
kind of room, just in a different ship.
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Aug 16, 2021, 09:04:45 AM
The sets aren't the same to my eyes, but I 100% expect it's supposed to be the same location.
Yes, the set looks different. But it crossed my mind that in-universe speaking
Prometheus place is not fully "functioning" so to speak. :laugh:
Quote from: The Necronoir on Aug 16, 2021, 03:33:40 PM
Quote from: Immortan Jonesy on Aug 16, 2021, 03:18:42 AM
It might be obvious to many by now :laugh: but I just noticed that the botom by which the Covenant's crew enters David's Juggernaut, which at the same time is the same place from where the bombardment is executed, could be the same place from storage (without the opening of the platform on the floor and all the magnetic mechanism) that we saw in PROMETHEUS through which David enters the Juggernaut of the last Engineer.
https://i.ibb.co/qstvytS/Pics-Art-08-15-10-12-41.png
The juggernaut David and Shaw use isn't the same one that had the last engineer in it though (because it crashed). Still, that doesn't mean it isn't supposed to be the same kind of room, just in a different ship.
Oh I know, I mean maybe they are the same place in the two ships. :laugh:
In ALIENS when scanning the interior of "The Narcissus" before the salvage team picks it up. You can see the space suit Ripley wore off to the side in a pile.
1st time watching ALIENS with a 4K TV. :)
Did you notice the light atop her helmet?
Quote from: Local Trouble on Aug 21, 2021, 12:05:12 AM
Did you notice the light atop her helmet?
I can't say I have? I will have to revisit ALIEN my most viewed film of the franchise.
Another thing I have seen Vasquez's tear tattoo in photo's in magazines, Starlog...etc. But last night was the first time I saw it during the movie. Also Ripley is holding something dark in her left hand during cryo sleep as the camera pans down to view Jonesy. I can't make it out? Maybe it's nothing.
What's this about the helmet light?
A question: In Aliens SE when the sentry guns are taking out our friends in the corridor I was always convinced on the monitor Hicks is watching you can (barely) glimpse one of the xeno's running through all the smoke and gun fire. Am I imagining things?
You're not. I think SM even posted video of it earlier in the thread. An Alien steps out of a door and gets shot down.
Quote from: Trash Queen on Aug 21, 2021, 08:04:38 PM
What's this about the helmet light?
Regarding Cameron's painstaking continuity between the end of Alien and the beginning of Aliens, what he did get wrong though was that Ripley's space suit helmet did not have a floodlight mounted on top of the helmet. Only the surface suits that Kane, Dallas and Lambert wore had those.
Not really a film thing but I only just noticed it.
(https://cdn.staticneo.com/p/2005/1/predator_concrete_jungle_image7.jpg)
(https://i.neoseeker.com/screenshots/MjAwNS8xLw==/predator_concrete_jungle_image9.jpg)
Scarface has the P2 spear holstered in these images. No idea why it was changed but it might've been changed for an AVP tie-in or maybe it was originally a weapon upgrade or how we got the weapon originally? Regardless like the 87 plasmacaster this didn't make it's way into the final game. I do wonder if it's still somewhere in the code.
Quote from: SiL on Aug 22, 2021, 07:14:49 AM
You're not. I think SM even posted video of it earlier in the thread. An Alien steps out of a door and gets shot down.
Thanks Sil for confirming this.
Quote from: SuperiorIronman on Aug 29, 2021, 10:50:25 PM
Not really a film thing but I only just noticed it.
https://cdn.staticneo.com/p/2005/1/predator_concrete_jungle_image7.jpg
https://i.neoseeker.com/screenshots/MjAwNS8xLw==/predator_concrete_jungle_image9.jpg
Scarface has the P2 spear holstered in these images. No idea why it was changed but it might've been changed for an AVP tie-in or maybe it was originally a weapon upgrade or how we got the weapon originally? Regardless like the 87 plasmacaster this didn't make it's way into the final game. I do wonder if it's still somewhere in the code.
This' the most interesting thing in this thread to me, now if someone could crack open Concrete Jungle, and answer that question.
Early in Resurrection, when dude is looking down through the glass floor at Ripley 8, you can see the camera guy's arm reflected in the glass. It becomes more visible as the camera rotates. His watch shines for a few seconds.
Scene from Tony Scott's 2010 movie Unstoppable:
https://youtu.be/0KH4rWipCuU?list=PLuJHlDVTf-DniK1Y2LTil6G3jZ4N5hGvV&t=76 (https://youtu.be/0KH4rWipCuU?list=PLuJHlDVTf-DniK1Y2LTil6G3jZ4N5hGvV&t=76)
Does it sound like bits of Brian Tyler's score for Requiem to anybody else ?
Also, it looks like Batman 89 re-used not only sets but also sound effects from Aliens:
https://youtu.be/we_eTOeNSEE?t=107 (https://youtu.be/we_eTOeNSEE?t=107)
More of a personal observation but the hive scene in Aliens feels way more claustrophobic watching it in a cinema.
As far as noticeable details this was the first time I noticed the tip of the Queens tail was broken off at some point during the final fight. When they fall into the loading doors it's a stub.
Quote from: Some Old Dude on Oct 18, 2021, 10:56:44 AM
As far as noticeable details this was the first time I noticed the tip of the Queens tail was broken off at some point during the final fight. When they fall into the loading doors it's a stub.
This one always cheesed me off, even though it may or may not have been intentional.
Maybe the severed part of her tail morphed into the egg.
Quote from: [cancerblack] on Oct 19, 2021, 07:48:18 PM]
This one always cheesed me off, even though it may or may not have been intentional.
It's genuinely the tail of the puppet broken off. I figure a mad perfectionist like Cambo wouldve had a little hose spurting acid rigged up to it otherwise.
Quote from: Local Trouble on Oct 19, 2021, 08:41:46 PM
Maybe the severed part of her tail morphed into the egg.
Makes about as much sense as anything else lol.
QuoteI figure a mad perfectionist like Cambo wouldve had a little hose spurting acid rigged up to it otherwise.
Yeah but the same mad perfectionist would have glued the spike back on, surely?
I think it's intentional, so it's got nothing to stab Ripley with.
Quote from: [cancerblack] on Oct 20, 2021, 07:53:15 AM
QuoteI figure a mad perfectionist like Cambo wouldve had a little hose spurting acid rigged up to it otherwise.
Yeah but the same mad perfectionist would have glued the spike back on, surely?
Assuming he was directing the model unit.
Back onboard the Nostromo, Lambert's helmet light is off in one shot in the airlock.
I noticed two things
Alien
In the first film I decided to focus on Ash and his behavior towards the discovery of the Xenomorph. Since it's revealed he's an android trying to ensure it's survival over the crews. Suddenly all of his actions are more clear, especially when telling Ripley not to go after them, or when he lets them in without authorization, he didn't forget who was in charge he just didn't care.
Aliens
In the sequel when we get close up shots of Hicks falling asleep it also cuts back to Hudson bragging about how badass they are. While he does this we see Hicks clearly awake while Hudson is talking. It's something I though was kind of funny.
Quote from: Predwars24 on Nov 15, 2021, 02:49:47 PM
Alien
In the first film I decided to focus on Ash and his behavior towards the discovery of the Xenomorph. Since it's revealed he's an android trying to ensure it's survival over the crews. Suddenly all of his actions are more clear, especially when telling Ripley not to go after them, or when he lets them in without authorization, he didn't forget who was in charge he just didn't care.
I like how Ash continues to stare at the scorch mark left by the testing of the cattle prod. It's as if he disapproves of Brett's casual treatment of the
Nostromo - like himself, another piece of company property.
In that same scene, when Dallas tells Parker he doesn't want "any heroics outta him", is Ripley desperately trying to suppress a smile?
Quote from: The Eighth Passenger on Nov 15, 2021, 05:54:41 PM
In that same scene, when Dallas tells Parker he doesn't want "any heroics outta him", is Ripley desperately trying to suppress a smile?
Yes. If you listen to the raw production audio track, Ian Holm / Ash laughs at this.
Quote from: Elmazalman on Nov 15, 2021, 10:33:15 PM
Quote from: The Eighth Passenger on Nov 15, 2021, 05:54:41 PM
In that same scene, when Dallas tells Parker he doesn't want "any heroics outta him", is Ripley desperately trying to suppress a smile?
Yes. If you listen to the raw production audio track, Ian Holm / Ash laughs at this.
Could have sworn you can faintly hear it in at least one cut of the film too, although buggered if I know which one.
I was just walking and suddenly a thought occured in my head: Alien 3 is so contrary to Aliens that even movies' pallettes are comprised of opposite colours: while Aliens is strongly associated with cold blue Alien 3 is mostly hues of warm orange and brown. I never realised that before
Something I've known for a while now (although some people might not be aware of it), you can see the spacesuits Ridley and Derek Vanlint's kids wore in the space jockey and landing gear scenes in the locker room where Mr. Jones is hiding.
There is a spoiler in Alien 3, which tells us how the Alien is going to die. I had never made the connection before ! When the fire trap fails and Dillon activates the sprinklers, a seal cracks from the heat shock. A little teaser of what awaits us at the end ^^'
You saw that ? ^^'
You mean this ?
(https://preview.redd.it/ro4rskfited41.png?auto=webp&s=3e822546246f174a8579a3d35bfb43d803488ebc)
Indeed !
It's a nice bit of foreshadowing, indeed
Quote from: Local Trouble on Oct 19, 2021, 08:41:46 PM
Maybe the severed part of her tail morphed into the egg.
I know this is months old, but I just spit Dr. Pepper Zero on my keyboard...lol
During the landing sequence in Covenant, when lander hits the atmosphere there's a moment when one can hear Mother's voice amongst crew chatter saying: "Recommend mission abort" which I thought was weird
Not really, modern fighter jets all have complex onboard computers that help fly the plane. When a pilot is engaged in an aerial fight he can easily lose situational awareness resulting in a crash. So there is a female computer voice that says "pull-up, pull-up" or "altitude, altitude" if the plane starts getting a bit low to the ground plus a whole host of other verbal warnings.
The problem of course is that the computer voice is programmed to be very conservative (these planes are very expensive) so hotshot pilots are often continuously nagged by this female voice. And this is why the aircraft's computer is called "Bitchin' Betty" by pilots.
So I suspect the nagging voice in the Covenant lander is likely a nod to ol' Bitchin Betty, who is obviously not happy about the hectic turbulence.
I'm surprised you haven't nagged me for not knowing that
So, I always found 57 years gap between events of Alien and Aliens to be weird. Why 57 years ? Why not 50, why not 100 ? It's usually a rounded number in movies, so why 57 years ?
And suddenly I remembered something: Alien takes place in 2122, 2122 plus 57 equals 2179, right ? 2179, huh ? Can it be a slight nod towards original movie's release year - 1979 ?
Quote from: Kradan on Feb 05, 2022, 01:25:16 AM
So, I always found 57 years gap between events of Alien and Aliens to be weird. Why 57 years ? Why not 50, why not 100 ? It's usually a rounded number in movies, so why 57 years ?
Because a random odd number feels more realistic than 50 or 100.
I think Kradan is onto something with 57 specifically but yeah, when writing a story if there's no reason for a round number an odd one adds a veneer of realism.
If I were writing the dialogue, I think "nearly 60 years" or "over half-a-century" would work well just to mix things up.
By the same token, when Lambert said "ten months" in the first movie, I highly doubt she meant exactly ten months.
By that token I'm sure it wasn't 57 years to the day.
Quote from: SiL on Aug 22, 2021, 07:14:49 AM
You're not. I think SM even posted video of it earlier in the thread. An Alien steps out of a door and gets shot down.
Really? Well Ill be damned, I was always sure it was just smoke and sound effects
Quote from: SiL on Feb 05, 2022, 08:42:17 AM
By that token I'm sure it wasn't 57 years to the day.
Unacceptable. If it's not down to the millisecond then Burke should say so like Commander Data.
I hate that I've encountered people who genuinely think like this.
2 years, 4 months, 18 days, 36 hours, 15 minutes.
Quote from: The Eighth Passenger on Feb 06, 2022, 08:23:23 PM
2 years, 4 months, 18 days, 36 hours, 15 minutes.
16 inches fully erect. Varies when it's relaxed.
Quote from: [cancerblack] on Feb 06, 2022, 08:23:00 PM
I hate that I've encountered people who genuinely think like this.
It's the kind of argument that someone might make during a canon war.
Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Feb 06, 2022, 08:24:40 PM
Quote from: The Eighth Passenger on Feb 06, 2022, 08:23:23 PM
2 years, 4 months, 18 days, 36 hours, 15 minutes.
16 inches fully erect. Varies when it's relaxed.
(https://i.pinimg.com/originals/a6/83/71/a683717b88350471c53b0daebfb7d86b.gif)
When I was a kid I used to think the 57 years was only in the dream.
Didn't Rob Cobb write on his semiotic icons poster that is was 2078?
Quote from: Kimarhi on Feb 07, 2022, 03:57:15 AM
When I was a kid I used to think the 57 years was only in the dream.
Good point actually. IIRC whole "57 years" gets mentioned only in Ripley's nightmare sequence which is also kinda weird. When did she learned that information then. I guessshe had similair meeting with Burke beforehand and it got replayed in her mind
It was confirmed later in the director's cut when he showed her a pic of her daughter and told her that she died two years earlier at age 66.
Quote from: TheGreenSolution on Feb 07, 2022, 07:05:06 PM
Didn't Rob Cobb write on his semiotic icons poster that is was 2078?
Spoiler
(https://external-preview.redd.it/C0l39mbkDgOZB3qtz_4rgk6FGicVE1190jda1GCpASE.jpg?auto=webp&s=ab3498ec30b026d6481c9761e735daf2c1156cdc)
Doesn't mean it was invented the same year Nostromo mission took place though. Now I'm curious - where does year 2122 comes from ?
Quote from: Local Trouble on Feb 07, 2022, 07:15:52 PM
It was confirmed later in the director's cut when he showed her a pic of her daughter and told her that she died two years earlier at age 66.
Aaah, that's right
My friends says you see the year on one of the little screens in the background. 2122 seems like it is too far in the future. Would they even still use ore then?
We don't know when Nostromo was built. Maybe it was in use for 50+ years
It crashed landing. It must have been old and hard to control.
This is why we need SM.
Quote from: TheGreenSolution on Feb 07, 2022, 08:22:53 PM
It crashed landing. It must have been old and hard to control.
It kinda tripped over a rock actually
https://youtu.be/Hzcje9gDtgw (https://youtu.be/Hzcje9gDtgw)
1:29
Quote from: Local Trouble on Feb 07, 2022, 08:28:04 PM
This is why we need SM.
He is sorely missed
It is hard to tell if the rock slide made the shortage of the equipment.
Who is SM?
Quote from: TheGreenSolution on Feb 07, 2022, 11:50:40 PM
It is hard to tell if the rock slide made the shortage of the equipment.
Who is SM?
One of the veteran posters
Quote from: TheGreenSolution on Feb 07, 2022, 11:50:40 PM
It is hard to tell if the rock slide made the shortage of the equipment.
Landing on the rock is what damaged the landing gear and the rest of the ship. They don't crash.
Quote from: Kradan on Feb 07, 2022, 07:17:40 PM
Doesn't mean it was invented the same year Nostromo mission took place though. Now I'm curious - where does year 2122 comes from ?
The 1999 DVD crew manifest Easter egg. That's where I first discovered the date - and the
Nostromo crew's full names.
Quote from: StrangeShape on Feb 08, 2022, 12:43:43 AM
Quote from: TheGreenSolution on Feb 07, 2022, 11:50:40 PM
It is hard to tell if the rock slide made the shortage of the equipment.
Who is SM?
One of the veteran posters
Thank you.
Quote from: SiL on Feb 08, 2022, 12:51:03 AM
Quote from: TheGreenSolution on Feb 07, 2022, 11:50:40 PM
It is hard to tell if the rock slide made the shortage of the equipment.
Landing on the rock is what damaged the landing gear and the rest of the ship. They don't crash.
Yes, that is what I mean. They slip on the rock and the whole ship shakes as it crashes. It shakes several times and it is good they have on seat belts or they might have been hurt.
There's been a lot of complaints about how obvious and telegraphed the final twist of Covenant was. When I think about the very first original Alien kinda had a similair twist with Ash. Similair in a way that how much it's obvious that something is up with the Nostromo's science office. There's a lot of signs - Ash preventing Ripley from going after the trio that went investigating Derelict, later letting them in against her orders, showing exceptional interest in creature's biology, protesting against terminating facehugger's corpse, whole scene with Ripley, stoping Parker from killing chestburster there and then, general coldness and emotionlessness etc. The difference is that even if you can suspect that Ash is up to no good, tries to protect Alien and will probably turn on his crewmates you still don't expect that he's gonna turn out to be a freaking robot that bleeds milk. In other words, you can pick up on the signs, you can expect a twist, it's pretty well telegraphed but you can't guess what the nature of a twist gonna be
I noticed that on some of the chest and shoulder armor of predator looks similiar to the Engineer/Giger designs:
(https://townsquare.media/site/442/files/2020/11/predator-11-22-33.jpg?w=1200&h=0&zc=1&s=0&a=t&q=89)
(https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSWgU0kw03mKGbwCbRWd_P32h0aNYtnpRsxeQ&usqp=CAU)
EngineersDavid created Predators CONFIRMED
Quote from: Kradan on Apr 01, 2022, 10:56:58 PM
EngineersDavid created Predators CONFIRMED
Haha I was thinking The Predators may have adopted engineer tech like The Covenant adopts Forerunner tech in the Halo franchise.
Well they said in predators Yautja have 99% human dna, just like we have from the space engineers, so to me its apparent the space engineers created humans, and yautjas and god knows how many other species.
Quote from: judge death on Apr 02, 2022, 09:42:29 AM
Well they said in predators Yautja have 99% human dna, just like we have from the space engineers, so to me its apparent the space engineers created humans, and yautjas and god knows how many other species.
They said Fugitive had Human DNA and that they ran the test a dozen times to be sure. It was the first time they noticed that which was why it was weird.
Fugitive and Assassin used some sort of DNA recombinant tech prior to the film and are the only known Predators to do so. Rory even views someone if not Fugitive or Assassin going through the procedure.
Yeah the tech could have Engineer origins, but this isn't something that they're born with, they had to do it deliberately to themselves. And due to Hinting Grounds establishing they (OWLF) had other bodies to study, that means it's even more recent behavior for them given this didn't come up prior (or since).
I thought they said all predators in the movie, they never said: "This predator unlike the other predators has human dna, but the others dont."
I can remember it wrong but thats my memory of it.
And then its still not making sense: if that predator had 99% human dna he should be different than the other predators we have seen but he look exactly the same. ???
Quote from: judge death on Apr 02, 2022, 03:35:52 PM
I thought they said all predators in the movie, they never said: "This predator unlike the other predators has human dna, but the others dont."
I can remember it wrong but thats my memory of it.
And then its still not making sense: if that predator had 99% human dna he should be different than the other predators we have seen but he look exactly the same. ???
Brackett notices Fugitive has Human DNA. Sean points out they ran the test 10 times and that Fugitive does have some but we never find out what specifically he has. If we would've found out, it's tabled as the Assassin's ship shows up and Fugitive flees. They note it being odd to be here meaning this isn't normal, but later media would state Stargazer's predecessor did have other bodies to study and nobody prior to this found anything like this. Meaning both in and out of the movie, this is a recent thing they started doing.
As far as it altering his appearance, well I'm sure someone here will make a joke about the mandibles but it doesn't mean it would manifest physically. It's entirely possible he's resistant to some disease a Human might be fine with or that in combination to something else it has some sort of benefit. It doesn't mean he'd physically look different. The Assassin does but he's a far more extreme case whose mutations are supposed to physically manifest. Without knowing what Fugitive's change was we can't really say how different he'd otherwise look.
Quote from: judge death on Apr 02, 2022, 03:35:52 PM
I thought they said all predators in the movie, they never said: "This predator unlike the other predators has human dna, but the others dont."
I can remember it wrong but thats my memory of it.
And then its still not making sense: if that predator had 99% human dna he should be different than the other predators we have seen but he look exactly the same. ???
Interesting, Engineers have human dna and so do Yautja, its like they ate planning another AVP. *Crosses Wristblades*
Recently noticed that the civilians you can harvest in AVP2010 have W-Y logos on the bottom of their shoes, making up the grip.
It's a small thing but I really like how in Covenant "Music composed by" comes up just as David begins to play the piano
Quote from: The Cruentus on Nov 23, 2022, 11:58:55 AMRecently noticed that the civilians you can harvest in AVP2010 have W-Y logos on the bottom of their shoes, making up the grip.
Did they buy out Reebok and corner the market?
I only just realized I never downloaded the Digital artbook for Predator Hunting Grounds. Got around to doing that and found a few things that are at least new to me.
- The Illfonic Predator is the second explicitly named Jungle Hunter with it being "2020 Jungle Hunter". Come to think of it, are the games where these names otherwise come from? I know merchandise uses it but if I had a nickle for every time a JH was named due to a videogame I'd have two nickels which isn't a lot but still weird it happened twice.
- "saber" is first seen in concept art for the Female Predator.
Jungle Hunter was a fan name from long before the game.
Speaking of, he was supposed to have a machete-like weapon in the original film.
Quote from: Local Trouble on Jan 10, 2023, 12:54:18 AMQuote from: The Cruentus on Nov 23, 2022, 11:58:55 AMRecently noticed that the civilians you can harvest in AVP2010 have W-Y logos on the bottom of their shoes, making up the grip.
Did they buy out Reebok and corner the market?
lol Probably, they got their fingers in a lot of pies, hell that game makes it that the colonial marines are owned by W-Y.
Quote from: Kradan on Feb 05, 2022, 01:25:16 AMSo, I always found 57 years gap between events of Alien and Aliens to be weird. Why 57 years ? Why not 50, why not 100 ? It's usually a rounded number in movies, so why 57 years ?
And suddenly I remembered something: Alien takes place in 2122, 2122 plus 57 equals 2179, right ? 2179, huh ? Can it be a slight nod towards original movie's release year - 1979 ?
It's the other way around. We're never told anything about dates in Alien, and maybe the only clue would be Cobb's Semiotic Standard having the year 2078 on it. But Aliens takes place 57 years later and only then we're told it takes place in a year ending in 79 when Ripley says the date of Burke's message to the colony: "Directive dated 6-12-79, signed Burke, Carter J."
From there, if we assume 79 means 2179, you just substract 57 and you get 2122. I guess Cameron chose '79 to give a shout out to the first movie's release year.
Quote from: Heaven Piercing Man on Mar 14, 2023, 02:44:37 AMQuote from: Kradan on Feb 05, 2022, 01:25:16 AMSo, I always found 57 years gap between events of Alien and Aliens to be weird. Why 57 years ? Why not 50, why not 100 ? It's usually a rounded number in movies, so why 57 years ?
And suddenly I remembered something: Alien takes place in 2122, 2122 plus 57 equals 2179, right ? 2179, huh ? Can it be a slight nod towards original movie's release year - 1979 ?
It's the other way around. We're never told anything about dates in Alien, and maybe the only clue would be Cobb's Semiotic Standard having the year 2078 on it. But Aliens takes place 57 years later and only then we're told it takes place in a year ending in 79 when Ripley says the date of Burke's message to the colony: "Directive dated 6-12-79, signed Burke, Carter J."
From there, if we assume 79 means 2179, you just substract 57 and you get 2122. I guess Cameron chose '79 to give a shout out to the first movie's release year.
I love that the 2179 date has been generally adapted in both movies and EU. Although the "original EU" was a 100 years too early I think.
Sorry about the necropost here but after watching Aliens in 4k, I noticed two things I didn't before.
One is that when Vasquez kills the Alien she pinned with her foot, the leg that actually gets burnt by acid is not the one she is using to pin the creature. I always thought it was that due to the closeness it had to the bullet entries.
When Ripley is threatening the eggs by firing the flamethrower into the air, you can see a gap in the Queen's neck and the mechanical structure inside is visible.
That white piece of mechanics has bothered me for years.
I'm surprised I never noticed it before since its probably the film I have seen the most out the franchise.
I just noticed the Neomorphs in Covenant do bleed white and so that theory they are synthetic seems plausible since David made them.
Quote from: [cancerblack] on Mar 30, 2024, 05:36:43 PMQuote from: E. Shaw on Mar 30, 2024, 02:08:44 AMthat theory they are synthetic
What?
Yeah someone claimed the Neomorph is synthetic, hence it bleeds white blood like synths.
I've never once come across that tbh.
And David didn't make the neomorphs.
Quote from: SiL on Mar 30, 2024, 08:10:15 PMAnd David didn't make the neomorphs.
Actually he said he did, that he began cross breeding and creating hybrid forms.
Oran: You created these things David?
David: Idle hands are the devil's workshop.
Quote from: E. Shaw on Mar 30, 2024, 08:35:45 PMQuote from: SiL on Mar 30, 2024, 08:10:15 PMAnd David didn't make the neomorphs.
Actually he said he did, that he began cross breeding and creating hybrid forms.
Oran: You created these things David?
David: Idle hands are the devil's workshop.
David's creations are in his lab. His end result was the xenomorph. The neomorphs are made from spores left in the wild.
Quote from: SiL on Mar 30, 2024, 09:04:20 PMQuote from: E. Shaw on Mar 30, 2024, 08:35:45 PMQuote from: SiL on Mar 30, 2024, 08:10:15 PMAnd David didn't make the neomorphs.
Actually he said he did, that he began cross breeding and creating hybrid forms.
Oran: You created these things David?
David: Idle hands are the devil's workshop.
David's creations are in his lab. His end result was the xenomorph. The neomorphs are made from spores left in the wild.
It clearly shows in David's workshop Proto-Neomorphs and Oran asks if David made them, and David says yes, and then shows Oran his successes.
Quote from: E. Shaw on Mar 30, 2024, 09:08:49 PMIt clearly shows in David's workshop Proto-Neomorphs and Oran asks if David made them, and David says yes, and then shows Oran his successes.
There are also skinned Engineers in the lab, David clearly didn't make them either. David was dissecting and examining different things, but his creation work starts from the insects. There are proto face huggers on the table that David did make.
Quote from: SiL on Mar 30, 2024, 09:14:53 PMQuote from: E. Shaw on Mar 30, 2024, 09:08:49 PMIt clearly shows in David's workshop Proto-Neomorphs and Oran asks if David made them, and David says yes, and then shows Oran his successes.
There are also skinned Engineers in the lab, David clearly didn't make them either. David was dissecting and examining different things, but his creation work starts from the insects. There are proto face huggers on the table that David did make.
Interesting take. I interpreted he made the Neomorph, but it still was not perfect like The Xenomorph.
The neomorphs came from the goo unleashed on the planet by David. He uses them in his creation of the Alien. The goo infected some organism or fungus and resulted in that mutation.
David experiments using various goo creatures (including the neomorphs), the black goo itself, and Shaw to make the Alien as we know it.
Quote from: 426Buddy on Mar 30, 2024, 09:25:03 PMThe neomorphs came from the goo unleashed on the planet by David. He uses them in his creation of the Alien. The goo infected some organism or fungus and resulted in that mutation.
David experiments using various goo creatures (including the neomorphs), the black goo itself, and Shaw to make the Alien as we know it.
I agree a version of Neomorph was created by the goo, but th version we see in the film running about I believe David mutated and edited, it explains to me why he is so mad when Oran kills it.
Except we see them being released from spores that are clearly randomly dotted around the place. David's works are all in his labs.
And Neomorphs aren't synthetic, they're clearly flesh and blood.
Quote from: SiL on Mar 30, 2024, 09:44:32 PMExcept we see them being released from spores that are clearly randomly dotted around the place. David's works are all in his labs.
And Neomorphs aren't synthetic, they're clearly flesh and blood.
I think David could have planted spores like mines. Especially at The Derelict.
And in a random spot of forest?
Why not plant his eggs around?
Quote from: E. Shaw on Mar 30, 2024, 02:08:44 AMI just noticed the Neomorphs in Covenant do bleed white and so that theory they are synthetic seems plausible since David made them.
I like it ! Even as just visual symbolism - yeah, David may not have directly created Neos but they still were a result of black goo bombardment he unleashed on the planet - so in a way they can be called his "children", he clearly treats them as such (see whole "bliw in the nostrils of a horse" scene)
Quote from: Kradan on Mar 30, 2024, 10:14:20 PMQuote from: E. Shaw on Mar 30, 2024, 02:08:44 AMI just noticed the Neomorphs in Covenant do bleed white and so that theory they are synthetic seems plausible since David made them.
yeah, David may not have directly created Neos but they still were a result of black goo bombardment he unleashed on the planet - so in a way they can be called his "children", he clearly treats them as such (see whole "bliw in the nostrils of a horse" scene)
This
Quote from: Kradan on Mar 30, 2024, 10:14:20 PMQuote from: E. Shaw on Mar 30, 2024, 02:08:44 AMI just noticed the Neomorphs in Covenant do bleed white and so that theory they are synthetic seems plausible since David made them.
I like it ! Even as just visual symbolism - yeah, David may not have directly created Neos but they still were a result of black goo bombardment he unleashed on the planet - so in a way they can be called his "children", he clearly treats them as such (see whole "bliw in the nostrils of a horse" scene)
I like this!
Quote from: SiL on Mar 30, 2024, 09:52:31 PMAnd in a random spot of forest?
Why not plant his eggs around?
There may have been a Catche of black goo stored there in the forest, and he placed a trap; best to not keep all your eggs in one basket.
Quote from: Kradan on Mar 30, 2024, 10:14:20 PMQuote from: E. Shaw on Mar 30, 2024, 02:08:44 AMI just noticed the Neomorphs in Covenant do bleed white and so that theory they are synthetic seems plausible since David made them.
I like it ! Even as just visual symbolism - yeah, David may not have directly created Neos but they still were a result of black goo bombardment he unleashed on the planet - so in a way they can be called his "children", he clearly treats them as such (see whole "bliw in the nostrils of a horse" scene)
Exactly! Well said.
A trap.
Oh dear.
Quote from: SM on Mar 30, 2024, 10:28:59 PMA trap.
Oh dear.
David did keep two embryos in his mouth, it stands to reason he kept backups if say his lab/cave was destroyed.
Sounds like something that is way at the bottom of the list of things that stand to reason.
Quote from: SM on Mar 31, 2024, 02:16:02 AMSounds like something that is way at the bottom of the list of things that stand to reason.
David was making his "successes", you want to back up those successes.
Sure lets just ignore what the movie tells and shows us. Starting to see a pattern here.
Quote from: 426Buddy on Mar 31, 2024, 05:18:47 PMSure lets just ignore what the movie tells and shows us. Starting to see a pattern here.
My sources are a scene I shared and Alien Advent. Sigh... have a good day.
I can't believe I just noticed this.
In a close up shot of Parker (scene after Dallas is taken)
He has a mustache & goatee. :o
Seriously? I never noticed that either, I'll have to check that out.
I do remember him being very stubbly at certain points, but not full facial hair.
One thing I cant believe (and am kinda embarrassed to even admit) I never noticed until like a year or two ago are the fingernails on facehuggers.
Parker has a beard throughout the whole film.
Yeah I checked the scene in question, it doesn't seem to be a goatee.
(https://cdna.artstation.com/p/assets/images/images/010/121/408/large/jack-perry-parker-01.jpg?1522696925)
Always thought he looked really strange in Alien Isolation because of facial hair being nowhere near as visible.
Quote from: The Cruentus on Apr 12, 2024, 11:27:38 PMYeah I checked the scene in question, it doesn't seem to be a goatee.
It not even really close to being a goatee.
Quote from: SM on Apr 12, 2024, 11:37:42 PMQuote from: The Cruentus on Apr 12, 2024, 11:27:38 PMYeah I checked the scene in question, it doesn't seem to be a goatee.
It not even really close to being a goatee.
From the angle of the close up I thought it was a goatee as it wasn't a full front facial shot.
My mistake ::)
Quote from: Cosmic Incubation on Apr 12, 2024, 09:14:24 PMOne thing I cant believe (and am kinda embarrassed to even admit) I never noticed until like a year or two ago are the fingernails on facehuggers.
I noticed them only a few weeks back with Alien Romulus information coming out etc... ;)
Quote from: BigDaddyJohn on Apr 13, 2024, 10:10:35 AMQuote from: Cosmic Incubation on Apr 12, 2024, 09:14:24 PMOne thing I cant believe (and am kinda embarrassed to even admit) I never noticed until like a year or two ago are the fingernails on facehuggers.
I noticed them only a few weeks back with Alien Romulus information coming out etc... ;)
Glad I'm not the only one haha
It's kinda ballsy that they actually went with the whole "killing Ripley" thing in 3. I feel like filmakers played with viewers expectations in that regard: there're even 3 fake-out death scenes: first, when Dragon goes face-to-face with Ripley in the infirmary, second, when she goes looking for it in the "basement" and third, when Dillon swings his axe. Each time it seems this is it for our beloved hero ... until it isn't. It's almost as if these scenes serve the purpose to reassure the audience that even though they killed Hicks and Newt they're not gonna kill Ripley, right ? There's a chestburster inside her but she's still gonna make it, right ? No matter what Ripley will be fine, right ? Right ? And then BAM - she falls in a fiery void
As I was typing this ^^^ I also realised it's quite poetic that Ripley falls in the same pit where Hicks' and Newt's bodies were cremated. She's finally reunited with them ...
I think you mean ballsy, balls just means bullshit, cheap.
Ty ;)
Another thing, I forgot to mention - not only do they kill our protagonist but our protagonist is actively suicidal in the back half of the movie. I mean, if that's not bleak - I don't know what is
Quote from: Kradan on Apr 17, 2024, 10:39:51 AMTy ;)
Another thing, I forgot to mention - not only do they kill our protagonist but our protagonist is actively suicidal in the back half of the movie. I mean, if that's not bleak - I don't know what is
Only fiction could be so dark haha
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Quote from: Kradan on Apr 17, 2024, 10:28:55 AMIt's kinda ballsy that they actually went with the whole "killing Ripley" thing in 3. I feel like filmakers played with viewers expectations in that regard: there're even 3 fake-out death scenes: first, when Dragon goes face-to-face with Ripley in the infirmary, second, when she goes looking for it in the "basement" and third, when Dillon swings his axe. Each time it seems this is it for our beloved hero ... until it isn't. It's almost as if these scenes serve the purpose to reassure the audience that even though they killed Hicks and Newt they're not gonna kill Ripley, right ? There's a chestburster inside her but she's still gonna make it, right ? No matter what Ripley will be fine, right ? Right ? And then BAM - she falls in a fiery void
As I was typing this ^^^ I also realised it's quite poetic that Ripley falls in the same pit where Hicks' and Newt's bodies were cremated. She's finally reunited with them ...
I read the novelisation before the film came out in Australia and she literally dies on the last page. I read it and re-read half a dozen times because I couldn't believe it.
Yeah I remember that was a huge deal back then. But it was the perfect ending IMHO.
Quote from: SM on Apr 17, 2024, 11:32:13 AMQuote from: Kradan on Apr 17, 2024, 10:28:55 AMIt's kinda ballsy that they actually went with the whole "killing Ripley" thing in 3. I feel like filmakers played with viewers expectations in that regard: there're even 3 fake-out death scenes: first, when Dragon goes face-to-face with Ripley in the infirmary, second, when she goes looking for it in the "basement" and third, when Dillon swings his axe. Each time it seems this is it for our beloved hero ... until it isn't. It's almost as if these scenes serve the purpose to reassure the audience that even though they killed Hicks and Newt they're not gonna kill Ripley, right ? There's a chestburster inside her but she's still gonna make it, right ? No matter what Ripley will be fine, right ? Right ? And then BAM - she falls in a fiery void
As I was typing this ^^^ I also realised it's quite poetic that Ripley falls in the same pit where Hicks' and Newt's bodies were cremated. She's finally reunited with them ...
I read the novelisation before the film came out in Australia and she literally dies on the last page. I read it and re-read half a dozen times because I couldn't believe it.
Alan Dean Foster and really abrupt endings to his Alien Trilogy novelisations, name a more iconic duo. I reread Alien last week and the entire last half hour or so is a single chapter.
Took me a long time (before the interwebs and proliferation of home releases) to remember in Alien3 if at the end the queen burst out or not. I saw the film on it's original theatrical release in the cinemas. Genuinely thought I was imagining it when I saw the Assembly cut and thinking to myself `hey. Didn't ripley grab the queen as it burst out?'
Quote from: [cancerblack] on Apr 12, 2024, 08:48:30 PMI do remember him being very stubbly at certain points, but not full facial hair.
Parker, has a light beard throughout the film. Watch the 4K, and you'll also notice Lambert's hairy forearm during the start of the chestburster scene - a nicely-detailed 4K image.
Would that I had a 4K player.