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Title: How the Engineers call themselves?
Post by: Immortan Jonesy on Nov 11, 2019, 05:58:22 AM
Humans call them Engineers, but...

Is there any info, whether from any script or novel, that indicates how they call themselves?
Title: Re: How the Engineers call themselves?
Post by: SM on Nov 11, 2019, 06:03:57 AM
No.
Title: Re: How the Engineers call themselves?
Post by: Immortan Jonesy on Nov 11, 2019, 09:26:03 AM
(https://i.imgur.com/bvIUnP2.jpg)
Title: Re: How the Engineers call themselves?
Post by: [cancerblack] on Nov 11, 2019, 07:48:11 PM
The new RPG unfortunately references the stupid malakak name for them:

QuoteHieroglyphic tablets unearthed on Tanaka 5 call them Ossians. The decoded Derelict beacon on LV-426 made reference to the Mala'kak.


However I kinda like "Ossians", it's just very Warhammer sounding. My preferred option is still:

Quote from: SM on Nov 11, 2019, 06:03:57 AM
No.
Title: Re: How the Engineers call themselves?
Post by: The Old One on Nov 11, 2019, 08:04:32 PM
I just think of them as the book presented them, (mis) translations. We really don't know.
Title: Re: How the Engineers call themselves?
Post by: Immortan Jonesy on Nov 11, 2019, 09:29:22 PM
Quote from: Fiendishly Inventive on Nov 11, 2019, 08:04:32 PM
I just think of them as the book presented them, (mis) translations. We really don't know.

What if Ossians are the Engineers, and malakak is the biomecanoid from LV-426. I.e a different species as the RPG seems to suggest. With that in mind, the original mystery remains.

Quote from: [cancerblack] on Nov 11, 2019, 07:48:11 PM
The new RPG unfortunately references the stupid malakak name for them:

QuoteHieroglyphic tablets unearthed on Tanaka 5 call them Ossians. The decoded Derelict beacon on LV-426 made reference to the Mala'kak.

However I kinda like "Ossians", it's just very Warhammer sounding. My preferred option is still:

Quote from: SM on Nov 11, 2019, 06:03:57 AM
No.

Yuk! Mala'kak sound awfully like a Star Wars name. But, Ossians sounds a little better indded  :laugh:
Title: Re: How the Engineers call themselves?
Post by: The Old One on Nov 12, 2019, 11:50:04 PM
Funnily enough the term "Ossian" is in KOTOR:TSL referencing a group of Jedi Librarians. But perhaps it's actually a reference to the plagiarist of 12th Century Irish poetry. The Engineers- plagiarists huh?
Title: Re: How the Engineers call themselves?
Post by: [cancerblack] on Nov 13, 2019, 01:06:35 AM
Quote from: Fiendishly Inventive on Nov 12, 2019, 11:50:04 PM
Funnily enough the term "Ossian" is in KOTOR:TSL referencing a group of Jedi Librarians. But perhaps it's actually a reference to the plagiarist of 12th Century Irish poetry. The Engineers- plagiarists huh?


I just assumed it was a pun about bones, but I wouldn't put that past the type of very clever nerd who makes an RPG.
Title: Re: How the Engineers call themselves?
Post by: Immortan Jonesy on Nov 13, 2019, 03:39:37 AM
Quote from: Fiendishly Inventive on Nov 12, 2019, 11:50:04 PM
Funnily enough the term "Ossian" is in KOTOR:TSL referencing a group of Jedi Librarians. But perhaps it's actually a reference to the plagiarist of 12th Century Irish poetry. The Engineers- plagiarists huh?

Thanks for enlightening me!  8) it would cleverly enough to fit with the 19th century literature references presented in Covenant. Also, David mentions learning of the *cough cough* Ossian *cough cough* ways  ;D

That being said, at least through the RPG one can fantasize that Engineers are cosplayers of the real deal   ;)

Title: Re: How the Engineers call themselves?
Post by: Corporal Hicks on Nov 13, 2019, 09:07:19 AM
I spoke to Andrew and he believed it was from here: https://alienencyclopedia.wordpress.com/ but I can't find it.

Xenopedia references them once too, but is marked as citation needed.
Title: Re: How the Engineers call themselves?
Post by: Immortan Jonesy on Nov 14, 2019, 03:29:27 AM
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Nov 13, 2019, 09:07:19 AM
I spoke to Andrew and he believed it was from here: https://alienencyclopedia.wordpress.com/ but I can't find it.

Xenopedia references them once too, but is marked as citation needed.

Nooice! I'm totally embracing the  idea of the Engineers mimicking the Jockeys. Although it could have been worse, much worse! Something like David being the Space Jockey

(https://i.imgur.com/vW90Cw3.png)

* Look on my works, ye Mighty, and despair! *

(https://i.imgur.com/yFlDraf.jpg)
Title: Re: How the Engineers call themselves?
Post by: Highland on Nov 17, 2019, 01:27:45 AM
Whats he done to his lips.
Title: Re: How the Engineers call themselves?
Post by: Immortan Jonesy on Nov 17, 2019, 02:18:28 AM
Quote from: Highland on Nov 17, 2019, 01:27:45 AM
Whats he done to his lips.

Well, on the one hand that is what happens when a robot kisses another robot who is identical to him.

(https://i.imgur.com/QKSOdn7.png)

But on the other hand...
Spoiler
I sucks at Photoshop!  :'(
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Title: Re: How the Engineers call themselves?
Post by: Xenomrph on Nov 19, 2019, 09:34:10 AM
Quote from: [cancerblack] on Nov 11, 2019, 07:48:11 PM
The new RPG unfortunately references the stupid malakak name for them:
That's hilarious, I love it. Those are the kinds of obscure references I like to see, like Mortal Kombat X's Predator referencing the Hish.
Title: Re: How the Engineers call themselves?
Post by: The Old One on Nov 19, 2019, 10:16:09 AM
Of course you love it. lol
But yeah, the book treats it as one of several names.
Title: Re: How the Engineers call themselves?
Post by: Local Trouble on Nov 22, 2019, 07:31:03 PM
I believe they refer to themselves as the Brotherhood of Evil Space Jockeys.
Title: Re: How the Engineers call themselves?
Post by: The Old One on Nov 22, 2019, 07:48:52 PM
Ahaha, that name's so ridiculous considering the group's cause in the graphic novel.
Title: Re: How the Engineers call themselves?
Post by: Local Trouble on Nov 22, 2019, 07:52:36 PM
Hey, it used to work for Magneto.
Title: Re: How the Engineers call themselves?
Post by: The Old One on Nov 22, 2019, 07:58:33 PM
Who I was referring to.
Title: Re: How the Engineers call themselves?
Post by: Local Trouble on Nov 22, 2019, 08:14:28 PM
Which graphic novel were you referring to?
Title: Re: How the Engineers call themselves?
Post by: The Old One on Nov 22, 2019, 08:16:57 PM
X-Men The first issue onwards.
Title: Re: How the Engineers call themselves?
Post by: Local Trouble on Nov 22, 2019, 11:03:39 PM
Back on topic: It's hard to imagine what they might call themselves when we never even hear them speak.
Title: Re: How the Engineers call themselves?
Post by: The Old One on Nov 22, 2019, 11:04:10 PM
I do think that the terminology in the old Alien Dark Horse series is ridiculous though.
Title: Re: How the Engineers call themselves?
Post by: Local Trouble on Nov 22, 2019, 11:07:32 PM
"Mala'kak" was a typical 90s attempt at a generic alien-sounding name, right down to the obligatory apostrophe.
Title: Re: How the Engineers call themselves?
Post by: SM on Nov 22, 2019, 11:20:19 PM
Original Sin came out in 2005.
Title: Re: How the Engineers call themselves?
Post by: Local Trouble on Nov 22, 2019, 11:23:33 PM
Then I totally recant what I just said.
Title: Re: How the Engineers call themselves?
Post by: Immortan Jonesy on Nov 23, 2019, 02:33:22 AM
I wonder where the Mundus Gubernavi comes from.

Title: Re: How the Engineers call themselves?
Post by: Xenomrph on Nov 23, 2019, 06:52:57 AM
Quote from: Local Trouble on Nov 22, 2019, 11:23:33 PM
Then I totally recant what I just said.
Maybe they were just behind the curve.
Title: Re: How the Engineers call themselves?
Post by: The Old One on Nov 23, 2019, 12:10:03 PM
Appears so.
Title: Re: How the Engineers call themselves?
Post by: SM on Nov 23, 2019, 07:34:48 PM
Quote from: Local Trouble on Nov 22, 2019, 11:23:33 PM
Then I totally recant what I just said.

I should think so too.
Title: Re: How the Engineers call themselves?
Post by: Local Trouble on Nov 23, 2019, 07:52:48 PM
Quote from: Immortan Jonesy on Nov 23, 2019, 02:33:22 AM
I wonder where the Mundus Gubernavi comes from.

Looks like Latin so I doubt that's what they'd call themselves.
Title: Re: How the Engineers call themselves?
Post by: Immortan Jonesy on Nov 23, 2019, 08:21:31 PM
Then it must be something made by human researchers in order to classify them, such as in the case with the Alien : Lingua foeda acheronsis,  Internecivus raptus.
Title: Re: How the Engineers call themselves?
Post by: [cancerblack] on Nov 23, 2019, 11:01:59 PM
Quote from: Immortan Jonesy on Nov 23, 2019, 08:21:31 PM
Linguafoeda acheronsis,  Internecivus raptus.


Lawd, those names /cringe
Title: Re: How the Engineers call themselves?
Post by: Xenomrph on Nov 24, 2019, 05:13:19 PM
Quote from: [cancerblack] on Nov 23, 2019, 11:01:59 PM
Quote from: Immortan Jonesy on Nov 23, 2019, 08:21:31 PM
Linguafoeda acheronsis,  Internecivus raptus.


Lawd, those names /cringe
I never had a problem with either of those, to be honest.
Title: Re: How the Engineers call themselves?
Post by: Samhain13 on Nov 24, 2019, 05:38:20 PM
Just calling them aliens or xenomorphs is enough.
Title: Re: How the Engineers call themselves?
Post by: Local Trouble on Nov 24, 2019, 08:06:47 PM
Quote from: Xenomrph on Nov 24, 2019, 05:13:19 PM
Quote from: [cancerblack] on Nov 23, 2019, 11:01:59 PM
Quote from: Immortan Jonesy on Nov 23, 2019, 08:21:31 PM
Linguafoeda acheronsis,  Internecivus raptus.


Lawd, those names /cringe
I never had a problem with either of those, to be honest.

Can you make them both fit?
Title: Re: How the Engineers call themselves?
Post by: Xenomrph on Nov 24, 2019, 10:13:36 PM
Quote from: Local Trouble on Nov 24, 2019, 08:06:47 PM
Quote from: Xenomrph on Nov 24, 2019, 05:13:19 PM
Quote from: [cancerblack] on Nov 23, 2019, 11:01:59 PM
Quote from: Immortan Jonesy on Nov 23, 2019, 08:21:31 PM
Linguafoeda acheronsis,  Internecivus raptus.


Lawd, those names /cringe
I never had a problem with either of those, to be honest.

Can you make them both fit?
Different terminology for different purposes ("human" vs "homo sapien"), or one was an "in house" name used by one group, or one was an early name that was later discarded in favor of another taxonomy for whatever reason. That's off the top of my head.
Title: Re: How the Engineers call themselves?
Post by: javablue on Dec 27, 2019, 08:27:14 PM
Quote from: Immortan Jonesy on Nov 11, 2019, 05:58:22 AM
Humans call them Engineers, but...

Is there any info, whether from any script or novel, that indicates how they call themselves?

Shaw calls them Engineers (the big bald guys). Engineers probably call themselves human (given that's what they are).

Source: the movie Prometheus.
Title: Re: How the Engineers call themselves?
Post by: Immortan Jonesy on Dec 27, 2019, 09:58:18 PM
Quote from: javablue on Dec 27, 2019, 08:27:14 PM
Quote from: Immortan Jonesy on Nov 11, 2019, 05:58:22 AM
Humans call them Engineers, but...

Is there any info, whether from any script or novel, that indicates how they call themselves?

Shaw calls them Engineers (the big bald guys). Engineers probably call themselves human (given that's what they are).

Source: the movie Prometheus.

Yes the Engineers are "humans" since they are genetically equivalent to us. But that is not their name. We invented the word "human." We came later. I would say that we are whatever they are. They are the original blueprint. We are just copies of them in the Alien universe context. Just as an example (don't take it so seriously) I'd say that we are the mini-me of the "Ossians". The human concept is coming from creatures that began to exist after the Engineers, which is also  word invented by us for the sake of give them a name.
Title: Re: How the Engineers call themselves?
Post by: Local Trouble on Dec 27, 2019, 10:05:27 PM
Just call them Malakas.

Spoiler
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g9GBuciv20A
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Title: Re: How the Engineers call themselves?
Post by: Immortan Jonesy on Dec 27, 2019, 10:17:59 PM
I'd say you're onto something. They left a map that leads to their military installation anyway so  :laugh:
Title: Re: How the Engineers call themselves?
Post by: Local Trouble on Apr 25, 2021, 02:35:40 AM
Quote from: Local Trouble on Nov 22, 2019, 11:07:32 PM
"Mala'kak" was a typical 90s attempt at a generic alien-sounding name, right down to the obligatory apostrophe.

Never one to shy away from exposing my own idiocy, I just discovered that the name was probably derived from "mal'ak ha-mashḥit," which is Hebrew for "destroying angel."  I checked the Xenopedia, but I didn't see any notes there pointing it out.

https://aliens.fandom.com/wiki/Mala%27kak
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Destroying_angel_(Bible) (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Destroying_angel_(Bible))

Or is this common knowledge and I was just super late to the party?
Title: Re: How the Engineers call themselves?
Post by: BlueMarsalis79 on Apr 25, 2021, 02:44:45 AM
Did not know that, but I like it, especially with Ridley Scott's comparison to fallen angels.
Title: Re: How the Engineers call themselves?
Post by: Immortan Jonesy on Apr 25, 2021, 04:22:37 AM
I didn't know this either.  8)
Title: Re: How the Engineers call themselves?
Post by: Local Trouble on Apr 25, 2021, 06:11:34 AM
Why didn't SM tell us?!
Title: Re: How the Engineers call themselves?
Post by: SM on Apr 25, 2021, 07:34:33 AM
You told yourself, malaka.
Title: Re: How the Engineers call themselves?
Post by: Local Trouble on Apr 25, 2021, 07:48:15 AM
We're all floundering in ignorance while you sit atop a trove of secret knowledge.
Title: Re: How the Engineers call themselves?
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Apr 25, 2021, 02:36:20 PM
How do the Engineers call themselves?

With flutes, of course.
Title: Re: How the Engineers call themselves?
Post by: Kradan on Apr 25, 2021, 05:26:02 PM
Quote from: SM on Nov 11, 2019, 06:03:57 AM
No.

Abortion of a thread
Title: Re: How the Engineers call themselves?
Post by: Immortan Jonesy on Apr 25, 2021, 06:25:00 PM
According to a third definition in the Urban Dictionary, Malaka is a slang for "Master Masturbater" ~

https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=malaka
Title: Re: How the Engineers call themselves?
Post by: Kradan on Apr 25, 2021, 06:27:52 PM
Makes sense to me

(https://i.pinimg.com/originals/c5/92/66/c59266388c28dc90fd2cea3896953fb3.jpg)
Title: Re: How the Engineers call themselves?
Post by: Immortan Jonesy on Apr 25, 2021, 06:32:54 PM
Quote from: Kradan on Apr 25, 2021, 06:27:52 PM
Makes sense to me

(https://i.pinimg.com/originals/c5/92/66/c59266388c28dc90fd2cea3896953fb3.jpg)

I bet an Engineer became addicted to masturbation. Then he turned his penis into a cyborg. He stopped eating, he stopped going to the bathroom, to school; he gave up everything to masturbate. He even grew out of the chair.  :-X
Title: Re: How the Engineers call themselves?
Post by: BigDaddyJohn on Apr 25, 2021, 07:39:28 PM
So that's why there was so many black goo jars huh
Title: Re: How the Engineers call themselves?
Post by: [cancerblack] on Apr 25, 2021, 07:47:55 PM
Yup, just rancid cum jars. They probably have anime or pony figures inside them.
Title: Re: How the Engineers call themselves?
Post by: BlueMarsalis79 on Apr 25, 2021, 07:50:05 PM
CB... 🤢
Title: Re: How the Engineers call themselves?
Post by: kwisatz on Apr 25, 2021, 08:06:23 PM
We call them

Spoiler
Otakus
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Quote from: SM on Apr 25, 2021, 07:34:33 AM
You told yourself, malaka.

(https://i.gifer.com/7SwX.gif)
Title: Re: How the Engineers call themselves?
Post by: BlueMarsalis79 on Apr 25, 2021, 08:09:54 PM
(https://64.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m5g3boqtwQ1rtljjxo1_1280.gif)
Title: Re: How the Engineers call themselves?
Post by: [cancerblack] on Apr 25, 2021, 08:30:47 PM
Quote from: Trash Queen on Apr 25, 2021, 07:50:05 PM
CB... 🤢

Don't make me post it.
Title: Re: How the Engineers call themselves?
Post by: BlueMarsalis79 on Apr 25, 2021, 08:38:40 PM
Quote from: [cancerblack] on Apr 25, 2021, 08:30:47 PM
Quote from: Trash Queen on Apr 25, 2021, 07:50:05 PM
CB... 🤢

Don't make me post it.

(https://www.alien-covenant.com/aliencovenant_uploads/s_(1)1.png)
(https://www.alien-covenant.com/aliencovenant_uploads/0224.png)
(https://www.alien-covenant.com/aliencovenant_uploads/0125.png)
Title: Re: How the Engineers call themselves?
Post by: [cancerblack] on Apr 25, 2021, 08:57:16 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/2vFHQOU.jpg)
Title: Re: How the Engineers call themselves?
Post by: BlueMarsalis79 on Apr 25, 2021, 08:59:34 PM
(https://i.pinimg.com/originals/3f/97/5d/3f975dfe9032ffa30f7f8d2ff97c6ed1.gif)
Title: Re: How the Engineers call themselves?
Post by: Crazy Rich on Apr 25, 2021, 09:51:28 PM
Title: Re: How the Engineers call themselves?
Post by: [cancerblack] on Apr 25, 2021, 09:54:14 PM
(https://steamuserimages-a.akamaihd.net/ugc/541885334671913293/CCDF455A1EB0F5E2C79E21458A3531BB2A359048/)

"I understand more than you could possibly know."
Title: Re: How the Engineers call themselves?
Post by: Wweyland on Apr 26, 2021, 08:22:37 AM
I think the Engineer in Aliens: Steel Egg called himself Larry if I'm not mistaken.
Might have been a race similar to the Engineers though.
Title: Re: How the Engineers call themselves?
Post by: SM on Apr 26, 2021, 10:29:42 AM
They were Giffs, but yeah one of them called himself Larry.
Title: Re: How the Engineers call themselves?
Post by: Stitch on Apr 26, 2021, 02:25:25 PM
I think at some point the original Space Jockey race got tired of being ridiculed in comics.

(https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/aliens/images/0/0a/Space_Jockey.jpg)

And decided the engineers could take their place, and they were going to try out a new life in Doom 3

(https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/doom/images/8/84/Mancubus.jpg)
Title: Re: How the Engineers call themselves?
Post by: Local Trouble on Apr 27, 2021, 01:18:10 AM
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi.imgur.com%2Fg2NkOIv.png&hash=78b79f9667b1482bfd3c3774e49c90062788966e)
Title: Re: How the Engineers call themselves?
Post by: Immortan Jonesy on Apr 27, 2021, 01:44:17 AM
The Orville's malaka!
Title: Re: How the Engineers call themselves?
Post by: Baron Von Marlon on Apr 27, 2021, 02:07:51 AM
The Baldies

(https://cardiffcityforum.com/attachments/51lqm4fvsvl-jpg.52389/)
Title: Re: How the Engineers call themselves?
Post by: [cancerblack] on Apr 27, 2021, 02:17:23 AM
Quote from: Baron Von Marlon on Apr 27, 2021, 02:07:51 AM
The Baldies

https://cardiffcityforum.com/attachments/51lqm4fvsvl-jpg.52389/


Holy shit that little guy in the middle is my clone. How'd he get to time travel though?

(https://i.imgur.com/jgEJrdP.jpg)
Title: Re: How the Engineers call themselves?
Post by: Local Trouble on Apr 27, 2021, 02:35:57 AM
Your country has time tunnels.
Title: Re: How the Engineers call themselves?
Post by: SM on Apr 27, 2021, 02:42:08 AM
Alien 3 - The Early Years
Title: Re: How the Engineers call themselves?
Post by: Immortan Jonesy on Apr 27, 2021, 03:40:12 AM
Quote from: Baron Von Marlon on Apr 27, 2021, 02:07:51 AM
The Baldies

https://cardiffcityforum.com/attachments/51lqm4fvsvl-jpg.52389/

:laugh:

Quote from: [cancerblack] on Apr 27, 2021, 02:17:23 AM
Holy shit that little guy in the middle is my clone. How'd he get to time travel though?

https://i.imgur.com/jgEJrdP.jpg

An infiltrate in the Aliens gang?  :laugh:

(https://i.ibb.co/7yxLxtV/JDx-ZX7-S-1.png)

Quote from: SM on Apr 27, 2021, 02:42:08 AM
Alien 3 - The Early Years

David Fincher should consider directing a space remake of The Wanderers.
Title: Re: How the Engineers call themselves?
Post by: bb-15 on Jun 12, 2021, 12:45:37 AM
Quote from: javablue on Dec 27, 2019, 08:27:14 PM
Quote from: Immortan Jonesy on Nov 11, 2019, 05:58:22 AM
Humans call them Engineers, but...

Is there any info, whether from any script or novel, that indicates how they call themselves?

Shaw calls them Engineers (the big bald guys). Engineers probably call themselves human (given that's what they are).

Source: the movie Prometheus.

My view is not exactly canon but while I don't know what the Engineers call themselves in their own language, imo David would be able to ask an Engineer what they call themselves in their own language.
My source is the deleted scene from Prometheus called "The Engineer Speaks".
The Engineer's language for the movie was developed by an expert. It is a Proto Indo-European language. It is spoken by David early in Prometheus.

;)
Title: Re: How the Engineers call themselves?
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Jun 12, 2021, 12:58:27 AM
Quote from: Immortan Jonesy on Apr 27, 2021, 03:40:12 AM
https://i.ibb.co/7yxLxtV/JDx-ZX7-S-1.png

:D :D :D
Title: Re: How the Engineers call themselves?
Post by: Immortan Jonesy on Jun 12, 2021, 08:37:28 PM
Isn't there a bootleg Proto-Indo-European manual based on Prometheus on Amazon?  :laugh:
Title: Re: How the Engineers call themselves?
Post by: City Hunter Yautja on Jul 08, 2021, 07:10:08 AM
Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Apr 25, 2021, 02:36:20 PM
How do the Engineers call themselves?

With flutes, of course.

Perhaps they are Panians, having learned the Flute from the god Pan?