I believe the panel starts in an hour.
New synopsis from Cinemacon press releases...and the fans revolt.
QuoteFrom the outer reaches of space to the small-town streets of suburbia, THE HUNT comes home in Shane Black's explosive reinvention of the Predator series. Now, the universe's most lethal hunters are stronger, smarter and deadlier than ever before, having genetically upgraded themselves with DNA from other species. When a young boy accidentally triggers their return to Earth, only a ragtag crew of ex-soldiers and a disgruntled Science teacher can prevent the end of the human race.
https://www.broadwayworld.com/bwwtv/article/20th-Century-Fox-To-Showcase-Upcoming-Releases-at-CinemaCon-2018-20180426
Eugh guess they kept the DNA thing pretty prominently >:(
It's like they purposefully picked a synopsis with buzzwords to just piss Predator fans off. Genetically engineered, disgruntled Science teacher, young boy.
I'm still waiting to see footage before I form an opinion but this isn't going to help with those out there that have already made up their minds.
Finally, soon going to have some more information, and "small-town streets of suburbia" god, how many times there were debates about suburbia ;D
Would love if they showed us a trailer for predator, but i dont think so.
Corporal Hicks "It's like they purposefully picked a synopsis with buzzwords to just piss Predator fans off."
Totally agree ;D
oh no......
Quote from: Lionhart on Apr 26, 2018, 04:19:43 PM
Would love if they showed us a trailer for predator, but i dont think so.
Next month, we believe.
The synopsis sounds like utter garbage. I can't stand that stupid kid and his horrendous "acting" and he's a major plot point.
That synopsis just gave me AVP:R vibes. Boy, I hope I'm wrong.
I don't mind the kid so much as I mind the "reinvention" of the Yautja. Quit fixing what's not broken Hollywood.
genetically engineering themselves sounds so stupid
Ehhh, doesnt sound very promising, but I'll hold on to hoping I am wrong and that it ends up being a great movie.
We might get a poster released or at least a new banner.
I'm fine with this. It's all about execution.
sounds like they may be connecting alien and predator through gentic engineering.
black goo anyone?
RIP predator. Somebody needs to start,the compulsory drug testing for Hollywood
Quote from: Nazrel on Apr 26, 2018, 04:32:15 PM
sounds like they may be connecting alien and predator through gentic engineering.
black goo anyone?
That would be cool but I don't think that's the case. I'm thinking they're doin something more along the lines of gene splicing or genetic modification, something more controllable than black goo.
I cant stop reading it xD but u no wot we cud be suprised n it may be actually a good film n idea to take the franchise to a new level
Quote from: KillCrites on Apr 26, 2018, 04:32:13 PM
I'm fine with this. It's all about execution.
I agree entirely, I'm looking forward to seeing it.
Except tfor the small boy part, children can be so annoying sometimes.
Sounds pretty mediocre
@Corporal Hicks non of it is live streamed is it?
Nope. We're gonna get live tweets though. Probably more detailed reports over the next day or so.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1jwqHtEUOuQ&
Live blog here via Bleeding Cool - https://www.bleedingcool.com/2018/04/26/20th-century-fox-presentation-live-blog-at-cinemacon/
Its all about execution? Hahaha, this synopsis sounds more like something for "Independence Day" or for some sort of post-apocalyptic invasion type of movie. Predator race should never ever made such a global attack of this size into the planet Earth itself, they are and ever should be the Hunters, and not some Warriors. At this point, I just only hope that this whole "Evil" agenda is strictly connected to the Bad Blood Predators only, and not for their entire Predator civilization as a whole. As a fan, I still want to see this movie. But these fundamental changes totally ruined my childhood memories already. After this movie, I will never look at the Predator as a character as same like before. Children with the major role in the R-rated story? Predators wearing silly human clothes? DNA modification cliche? Yeah >sure< its all about execution, even if we have all these over the top ideas, this isnt funny anymore.
Quote from: 0321recon on Apr 26, 2018, 04:28:58 PM
That synopsis just gave me AVP:R vibes. Boy, I hope I'm wrong.
AVPR had a trailer by now...
this is great just came out of avengers now im ready for some the predator news :)
Avpr got a trailer in August. With 4 months away from release. If the predator trailer gets released next month it'll still be no different than avpr or covenant.
So I guess the kid is the "Newt" of the Predator franchise so to speak? Not good.
ahhhhhh where is the trailer its gotta pop up sometime today right?
https://mobile.twitter.com/ScottWamplerBMD/status/989567955133390848
Here we go!
Giggity
Seeing a mixed reaction. Some people liked it. Others didn't. Lots of blood and deaths in it.
Full trailer description http://comicbook.com/2018/04/26/cinemacon-20th-century-fox-presentation-recap/
The trailer starts in a neighborhood. It's Halloween. Kids are milling about. In one house, someone opens a package from JP Courier Co. The boy finds a Predator mask in it. He messes with some of the tech. He finds what he thinks is a ship but ultimately awakens a ship which crashes into earth. Holbrook is interrogated. He says he's a sniper and didn't see anything but Sterling K Brown knows he did. Holbrook says he feels like "an alien" on his own planet. Flashbacks of a chaotic chase through the woods flash by. Munn is a scientist, she rules that the species is upgrading on every planet it visits. Holbrook says "posing a threat is kind of the f---ing point." Predators wreak havoc in various locations using their claws to slice people, there's blood splatter, and the mask looks spot on. The chaos happen the woods and the lab. Holbrook has a team of what looks like mercenaries. Munn turns out to be pretty handy with a gun. Something she says she learned in America.
While I get what you're saying, it's not. Your childhood memories are still intact and consist of two films and a slew of comics and merchandise.
This film will not change that. If anything, it kills it's future.
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Apr 26, 2018, 06:13:53 PM
Here we go!
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Footage shown for Steve McQueen's Widows as well as Shane Black's The Predator! Predator is hunting in a city <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Fox?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Fox</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/CinemaCon?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#CinemaCon</a> <a href="https://t.co/BruWexAxs5">pic.twitter.com/BruWexAxs5</a></p>— Caleb Williams (@KnightGambit) <a href="https://twitter.com/KnightGambit/status/989567967154196480?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">April 26, 2018</a></blockquote>
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Oh look, sort of a leak :D
Man i hate trailer descriptions f**k that :laugh:
More MORE!!!
Talk on Twitter seems to be positive for the most part. The words "badass" and "bloody" were thrown around. But one guy said it felt "studio-y"?
Like too polished? Ugh...tired of speculating lol
From the initial reactions it seems like the story hasn't really changed very much from the draft that was floating around... The main beats seem exactly the same anyway
Not crazy on the words used in the synopsis. Having said that, glad to see that the trailer is receiving mostly positive feedback. I'm still gonna wait to see the trailer myself. I'm not one for snap judgments.
Hopefully the trailer we get in May feels like a PREDATOR movie rather than... I don't know? A bad 50's Sci-Fi mixed with 80's/90's humor?
I think it's fair to say this film will be a three star film, Iv calmed down so I'm not going to rant there's no point, but I'm highly disappointed to say the least. I'll still watch it as it's still predator , but I have a message to Shane black and co and it's this ... next time you sell me your film and bill it as an "event movie" like it's going to be a huge blockbuster , I will just laugh at you! You clearly just wanted to piss the fans off , and my respect for you as a film maker has plummeted..
Quote from: JungleHunter87 on Apr 26, 2018, 07:19:36 PM
Not crazy on the words used in the synopsis. Having said that, glad to see that the trailer is receiving mostly positive feedback. I'm still gonna wait to see the trailer myself. I'm not one for snap judgments.
Same here. But I'm glad the snap judgments are mostly positive because if they were overwhelmingly negative snap judgments I'd be worried beyond hell.
is the trailer going to show up online today now?
Quote from: Hollywood on Apr 26, 2018, 07:44:37 PM
Quote from: JungleHunter87 on Apr 26, 2018, 07:19:36 PM
Not crazy on the words used in the synopsis. Having said that, glad to see that the trailer is receiving mostly positive feedback. I'm still gonna wait to see the trailer myself. I'm not one for snap judgments.
Same here. But I'm glad the snap judgments are mostly positive because if they were overwhelmingly negative snap judgments I'd be worried beyond hell.
I totally agree, nothing like bad word of mouth to kill any hope. I'm glad it's been the opposite so far.
A bizarre confused synopsis for a bizarre very confusing script. :laugh:
skull-splitter - Yes, you made a good statement bro, but in my mind, I connect all the Predator films together, only the AVP is something that I see as a separated dimension. If this film will be bad (and it can be bad in many various aspects judging by the "nasty" lore differences) it will ruin the whole franchise for me. . I simply cannot forgive that this movie already exist, or act like it was never filmed. Thats why I always wanted all the best from this Shane's new content. And man, exactly as you said here, I have serious fear about the Predator future. There was never any need for changing that much. . the reason why they coming to Earth or why they collecting skulls. . I have strong feel that someone just think that these simple reasons must be enhanced if not changed at all. And after that. . you can said, where is the whole "sport" aspect behind Predators hunting in global? Oh yeah, they just change it or enhance that. . so, everyone can jugde it by yourself. But for me, its like that they are trying to badly fix something that works well, and dont even try to remind me that Predators in pants idea. . that is something that I will never, dear God, never accept. . just because when Im look at my Predator figures. . it sounds million times worse than it is, when Im say it looks and sounds silly. . its not even a word strong enough for how I trying to describe it. And thats just tip of the iceberk, there are tons of many other "crazy" things like this. But still, I want to see this film no matter what. . even if I dont believe that bunch of few good scenes or moments can convince me to love this movie at all, and thats something that many people will do. There are some people that can strongly like the movie just because they will memorize only a few good moments. Personally, I need more than that. . I can say that even AVP2 has a few very good scenes, but did I "love" the entire movie so much? Well, not so much.
While I'm excited for the film; there just isn't enough content right now to pass judgement. Hoping the kid has a minor role in the movie, if they center the film around the boy its going to be a buzz kill. There is some potential in the rest of the leaked script. Time will tell
https://geektyrant.com/news/the-first-footage-screened-for-the-predator-and-damn-it-was-good
QuoteI have no idea when this trailer will be released but I hope that they release it soon! you need to watch it for yourself! All I know is that now I'm even more excited about seeing this movie! It looks like it's going to be the badass blood-filled R-rated Predator movie that fans have been waiting for.
I hope I can have this same reaction when I see it for myself.
For those that have read the script, is the line "America " in it? (Said by Munn in the trailer)
Quote from: Nazrel on Apr 26, 2018, 04:31:02 PM
genetically engineering themselves sounds so stupid
Yep. Really takes away from the whole hunting aspect. They're already powerful and resilient creatures with access to incredible weapons. Do we really need to have them ugrade themselves? Jesus H Christ.
Quote from: Daz1999 on Apr 26, 2018, 09:27:45 PM
For those that have read the script, is the line "America " in it? (Said by Munn in the trailer)
Nope
Yo, just checking in to add that Germain Lussier (who disliked the trailer) is a hack with really shit taste who studiously avoids any discussion of the sexual assault scandals at his beloved Alamo Drafthouse. See y'all at release.
I hope the predators have the tribal look from the first two films, avp really fkd that up
Quote from: Daz1999 on Apr 26, 2018, 09:27:45 PM
For those that have read the script, is the line "America " in it? (Said by Munn in the trailer)
No it was not in the script. Maybe sarcasm but absolutely disgusting.
Quote from: Ramjet311 on Apr 26, 2018, 09:30:27 PM
Quote from: Daz1999 on Apr 26, 2018, 09:27:45 PM
For those that have read the script, is the line "America " in it? (Said by Munn in the trailer)
Nope
Hopefully that equates to changes in dialogue and some of the stupid stuff I've read
Quote from: Daz1999 on Apr 26, 2018, 09:33:20 PM
I hope the predators have the tribal look from the first two films, avp really fkd that up
This. But knowing todays design fads, they probably wont.
Just release the trailer already.
Quote from: skull-splitter on Apr 26, 2018, 09:36:37 PM
Quote from: Daz1999 on Apr 26, 2018, 09:33:20 PM
I hope the predators have the tribal look from the first two films, avp really fkd that up
This. But knowing todays design fads, they probably wont.
It's such a big part of what made them interesting imo, Aliens are always depicted as sleek shiny etc in movies, seeing this creature that obviously has tech far beyond our own but still obviously steeped in their own history and culture amazed me as a child and still does, the scene at the end of P2 was incredible, here's hoping this film builds on that rather that taking a dump on it
The logo for the film looks good too,nice and simple, yet effective 👍👍
http://comicbook.com/horror/2018/04/26/the-predator-movie-logo-2018-shane-black/
Really looking forward to this film for some reason. Black isnt a bad director but dekkers work with robocop 3 was awful. However im thinking to catch this in dubai mall.
Sounds like "Major Payne" meets "The Watch". I'm staying positive though. It's still too easy to be critical at this point. Give us the trailer.
Quote from: Ramjet311 on Apr 26, 2018, 09:45:26 PM
The logo for the film looks good too,nice and simple, yet effective 👍👍
http://comicbook.com/horror/2018/04/26/the-predator-movie-logo-2018-shane-black/
It looks badass!
Sounds pretty amazing to me, cant wait to see that trailer.
I like the story/synopsis.
This sounds crappy has hell. This could be worst than AvP and AvPR. Schwarzenegger must be crying.
"genetically upgraded"
Can't help but think of the scene in Jurassic World where he says - "you wanted more teeth!!"
If it's not broken an all that...hopefully they still look like Predators.
Trouble is, it might appeal to many but not to fans of the original two. No more tribes, tech nouveau, suspence just more generic and less mystery.
Yes, if this whole synopsis will be centered on a different exotic planet, totally without humans but with Predators against another Predators as a clan war or something, perhaps with other animal creatures in the mix, than it could be interesting even with the whole global invasion aspect. But when this is happening on the Earth, esspecialy with this size of global conflict? I just dont like it. . it sounds like that "our cities are in danger and everyone should rather stay at home" this reminds me a martial law or something, stay away until the army fix the problem cliche, similar to AVP2, just BS that could still end up by using an Atomic bomb. . no surprise. I truly like some of the leaked scenes from the forests, but still. . it sounds more like war between human soldiers and many, many Predators. Maybe that I just dont understand that the way I should, but still, it looks like this time Predators will made their own conflict with us in a bigger scale, instead of using actual human conflict for their silent hunt as like before in previous movies.
Another surprise is why no one mentioned the music style from the actual trailer, no wonder. . without Alan Silvestri? It would be just generic.
Trailer music is never from the film.
Quote from: SiL on Apr 27, 2018, 12:35:41 AM
Trailer music is never from the film.
that's not true sil.
I don't think it's to much of a stretch to believe that not only do predators keep trophy's but they keep the DNA from their kills as well. It's not just our DNA they are mixing with but all kills from all planets they hunt it could explain the different looks and style of the predators we are getting with different movies could also explain a little why they hunt the strongest of our species so they can gain the attributes of their kill. I love the predator franchise but I for one don't want to see another team go against the predator and guess what a guy and girl survives and the predator dies and the We can't change the way fox are going we just need to enjoy it.
Now where is this trailer........
Quote from: Thedutchpredator on Apr 27, 2018, 01:40:00 AM
I don't think it's to much of a stretch to believe that not only do predators keep trophy's but they keep the DNA from their kills as well. It's not just our DNA they are mixing with but all kills from all planets they hunt it could explain the different looks and style of the predators we are getting with different movies could also explain a little why they hunt the strongest of our species so they can gain the attributes of their kill. I love the predator franchise but I for one don't want to see another team go against the predator and guess what a guy and girl survives and the predator dies and the We can't change the way fox are going we just need to enjoy it.
Now where is this trailer........
What was wrong with them just having different subspecies? Why does it have to be f*cking genetic dabbling bullsh*t?
Ah, this screams of BAD NEWS all over the place.
They also have the problem of the third act being reshot so you can't really build up a trailer exactly how you want.
So... the kid is controlling a Predator ship... with a toy?
.....Mm'kay...
I haven't said anything... and I won't say anything until I see a f**king trailer.
Quote from: RakaiThwei on Apr 27, 2018, 02:20:34 AM
So... the kid is controlling a Predator ship... with a toy?
.....Mm'kay...
I haven't said anything... and I won't say anything until I see a f**king trailer.
I imagine tiny action figure sized predators crash landing in the backyard. What follows is more akin to "small soldiers" or "the indian in the cupboard". Or maybe it could be like toy story as a horror movie. Ten little predators trying to do a spinalectomy.
The end of the human race? Kid calling them to earth? Genetically altered predators? Sounds awful, the dna thing could be ok but i doubt it, and Iron Man 3 is a pretty bad movie, so i am not keeping my hopes up.
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Apr 26, 2018, 04:16:46 PM
It's like they purposefully picked a synopsis with buzzwords to just piss Predator fans off. Genetically engineered, disgruntled Science teacher, young boy.
I'm still waiting to see footage before I form an opinion but this isn't going to help with those out there that have already made up their minds.
Why would they try to get people NOT to watch the movie? You may be unto something though, maybe they want to create controversy so people will go watch it.
A Predator ship crashes on Earth, unleashing a bunch of monsters on a small town. Yup this is AVPR all over again. Only this time, there's a chance it could be good. I'm a sucker for horror set in a small town and I'm an even bigger sucker for movies set on Halloween, nothing beats Halloween atmosphere for me. Action, explosions, blood, different types of Predators, funny characters. I'm feeling pretty optomisitc about all this. In the end, it may not be a good predator film, but at least there's a chance it'll be good in it's own right.
Quote from: dallevalle on Apr 27, 2018, 01:32:13 AM
Quote from: SiL on Apr 27, 2018, 12:35:41 AM
Trailer music is never from the film.
that's not true sil.
Can you think of examples?
Maybe when series use the theme in the trailer. Otherwise generally not.
SiL avengers infinity war used the avengers music at the end of the trailer, there's an example. All of the Lord of the rings trailers used the theme music , there's another example. Clearly trailers do use the film scores.
The leftovers heavily advertised max richter's the twins theme that was used in the the series , the film carol used the theme music in the trailers , the matrix did , The original spiderman films did , there's plenty of examples, the point is advertising with theme music happens more often than not, not the other way round.
I don't believe FOTR used original scored music from the film. And Sil said "Maybe when series use the theme in the trailer" in relation to Avengers music. Series that have familiar themes generally re-use those themes.
Generally trailers don't use music from the film because it's often still being scored and mixed till quite late in post. Sometimes they do. There's an Aliens trailer that has cues from the soundtrack for example. If films have staggered releases across different territories like in the old days, it'd be easier to include music in trailers for places with later release dates.
But more often than not it's music from other sources.
Lord of the rings did use the film score for the trailers , YouTube it.
I will concede I meant, and should have said, "almost never".
Series will use themes, and trailers close to release often bring in a piece, but early advertisements are usually released before a score is even finished. Film trailer music is typically sourced from companies that specialise in it these days, or use covers of famous songs.
Essentially the point I was trying to make is that film trailer music isn't an indication of the actual music of the film. Nobody was getting worried about Alien: Covenant's score because the trailer used a cover of a Bowie song, you know?
SiL you might actually be right buddy , I was mistaken about lord of the rings , I checked on YouTube and the first trailer for FOTR used unrelated music , and TTT used requiem for a
Dreams theme music , so I'm wrong on that one.
Quote from: RakaiThwei on Apr 27, 2018, 02:20:34 AM
So... the kid is controlling a Predator ship... with a toy?
.....Mm'kay...
I haven't said anything... and I won't say anything until I see a f**king trailer.
This is obviously meant to be funny. I can just see two Predators at the bridge saying "Dave what's happening?" .... "I DONT KNOW PETE!"
This is of course in subtitles to keep it realistic.
I have a feeling that the trailer just shows the kid playing with the toy ship, and intercuts with the larger spaceship performing similar actions when it's out of control, rather than him literally controlling it.
Spoiler
In the script the ship crashes at the very beginning before any of the characters are introduced.
Nah, in the script the kid IS controlling a predator ship with the artifact.
And there's 2 ships.
Spoiler
The first, smaller one that crash lands is an escape vehicle used by the first predator.
The big ship is the one that the kid gets to control. Belongs to the Hybrid and his crew of mutants.
Sil holding on to the bottom of the chopper with one hand right now.
Quote from: skhellter on Apr 27, 2018, 05:50:24 AM
Nah, in the script the kid IS controlling a predator ship with the artifact.
And there's 2 ships.
Spoiler
The first, smaller one that crash lands is an escape vehicle used by the first predator.
The big ship is the one that the kid gets to control. Belongs to the Hybrid and his crew of mutants.
Spoiler
I forgot about the second ship, but the trailer describes the boy as playing with a toy ship.
The second ship is much later right? I started skimming after about 10-15 pages.
Feel strangely 'happy' to have heard something finally. The glaive sounds interesting. Very AvP arcade game. Maybe Dutch will show up with a metal arm?
The review which said this looks like a 'Shane Black Predator movie' does excite me, if I'm being honest.
Not sold on the kid. And the GM Preds is awful. It could work if it's hinted at in terms of learning copying and adapting etc. But not as an outright "we make ppl smoothies 'coz global warming'... soz not soz..." *STAB*
That won't fly.
Overall I'm feeling the most positive about this Film since hearing about it.
Quote from: SiL on Apr 27, 2018, 06:49:08 AM
Spoiler
I forgot about the second ship, but the trailer describes the boy as playing with a toy ship.
The second ship is much later right? I started skimming after about 10-15 pages.
Spoiler
"toy ship" is probably just "what it looks like".. And is most likely the main mcguffin. A piece of the Big Predator Ship that the main predator steals from the Hybrid... and then loses.. and then Holbrook sends back home.. and his kid finds out and starts playing with. It's a device that can hack the ship and contains data about the hybrid predator. Old hunts, probably military Secrets, etc.
The big (second) ship shows up through the entire script (and then crash lands in the final big setpiece) That's the one that the kid manipulates unwittingly
Quote from: skhellter on Apr 27, 2018, 07:11:39 AM
Quote from: SiL on Apr 27, 2018, 06:49:08 AM
Spoiler
I forgot about the second ship, but the trailer describes the boy as playing with a toy ship.
The second ship is much later right? I started skimming after about 10-15 pages.
Spoiler
"toy ship" is probably just "what it looks like".. And is most likely the main mcguffin. A piece of the Big Predator Ship that the main predator steals from the Hybrid... and then loses.. and then Holbrook sends back home.. and his kid finds out and starts playing with. It's a device that can hack the ship and contains data about the hybrid predator. Old hunts, probably military Secrets, etc.
The big (second) ship shows up through the entire script (and then crash lands in the final big setpiece) That's the one that the kid manipulates unwittingly
Spoiler
Yeah, the second crash landing is what I didn't remember. I skimmed after page 15 and stopped completely when the hillbillies show up and they're told to go shoot at something "out there that ain't no man." "Like bigfoot?" "Yeah, sure."
I still have hopes that they changed the kid piloting the ship, since they apparently changed most of the 3rd act.
Since this takes place during Halloween, I want a scene where the Preds are walking down a street and people thinking they are just drunk dudes in costumes going to a party or something.
Its not related, but in Predators Berserker let explode his ship throught his wrist gauntlet. So, I was expecting that this small boy should do the same thing even if he dont know about it. Im confused. . if he is playing with a small model in a size of toy, than it sounds really weird. Is that mean that in this film Predators will controll their spaceships throught some small model or what? Again, my idea was that his father send him the Helmet, wrist gauntlet and maybe something else, but small toy of Predator ship, is this a joke? It will be much better if he just somehow used the function of Helmet or Predator wrist gauntlet, in a similar way how Wolf Predator respond to the distress beacon activated by his fallen brothers in AVP2, damn the whole "kid" idea is a little bit odd.
Petr in another description they said that he used the arm gountlet.
Azamultic, oh. . buddy, thanks to your confirmation! They said a lot of different things in these messages throught the whole web, I mean not here exactly. Now. . this is by my expectations. Its still weird that someone can simply steal this stuff from >sleeping< Predator, but okey. Now just get rid of these "Predator in pants" idea and maybe that I will start to like this at least a little bit.
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Quote from: Thedutchpredator on Apr 27, 2018, 01:40:00 AM
I don't think it's to much of a stretch to believe that not only do predators keep trophy's but they keep the DNA from their kills as well. It's not just our DNA they are mixing with but all kills from all planets they hunt it could explain the different looks and style of the predators we are getting with different movies could also explain a little why they hunt the strongest of our species so they can gain the attributes of their kill. I love the predator franchise but I for one don't want to see another team go against the predator and guess what a guy and girl survives and the predator dies and the We can't change the way fox are going we just need to enjoy it.
Now where is this trailer........
What was wrong with them just having different subspecies? Why does it have to be f*cking genetic dabbling bullsh*t?
Ah, this screams of BAD NEWS all over the place.
This.
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Apr 26, 2018, 03:37:39 PM
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">In an interesting move, 20th Century Fox just sent out an email outlining everything we're gonna see during their <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/CinemaCon?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#CinemaCon</a> panel in a few hours. Stand by for updates re: THE PREDATOR, BAD TIMES AT THE EL ROYALE, BOHEMIAN RHAPSODY and of course, DEADPOOL 2. Hope Peter's there.</p>— Scott Wampler™ @ CinemaCon (@ScottWamplerBMD) <a href="https://twitter.com/ScottWamplerBMD/status/989527501461319681?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">April 26, 2018</a></blockquote>
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I believe the panel starts in an hour.
New synopsis from Cinemacon press releases...and the fans revolt.
QuoteFrom the outer reaches of space to the small-town streets of suburbia, THE HUNT comes home in Shane Black's explosive reinvention of the Predator series. Now, the universe's most lethal hunters are stronger, smarter and deadlier than ever before, having genetically upgraded themselves with DNA from other species. When a young boy accidentally triggers their return to Earth, only a ragtag crew of ex-soldiers and a disgruntled Science teacher can prevent the end of the human race.
https://www.broadwayworld.com/bwwtv/article/20th-Century-Fox-To-Showcase-Upcoming-Releases-at-CinemaCon-2018-20180426
Holy shit that sounds horrible! :D :D :D
Is the leaked script still available somewhere?
I would love to read this...IDon'tKnowWhatToCallIt. :)
Thanks for anybody! :)
By the way, its funny how some users type some harsch words sometimes and nobody looking to it, not that I have ANY personal problem with it at all - looking to you Mr. Corporal Hicks and your previous behaviour against me esspecially (deleting tons of my comments about Predator). But Im remeber how I was wrongly attached a long ago into something in this similar comment section, something that was about me not respecting the rules of this website, so yeah. . its both funny and hilarious at the same time how people responsible for this website act against some of the people here. Pretty good memories. ::)
@aliens exist
LOL that would be hilarious i bet there is a scene where kids see one like in between a couple houses and it looks at them and eyeflashes them.
anyway, wow im lookin at some of the comments here, theres a lot of angry people in here. cheer up a bit and stop being so pessimistic. ive been a part of this canon since the early 80s, and i know this is a tough group. in the name of bill paxton, lets all just chill out a bit, and be excited this isnt the strause brothers or paul anderson lol ;)
and in the name of Sonny Landham! RIP buddy. i gave 20$ to your gofundme, i tried to help man. :-[
To be honest what I don't understand is why didn't Shane just make a independent film that was original in the first place , with original aliens etc, why does he feel it's nessersary to change the lore? If this film was the same film but with new aliens and not predators it would be far more successful than it's going to be. Mutated predators is just over the top in every sense of the word. They are suppose to believe in the fair honourable fight, how is pumping yourself full of DNA steroids doing that ? It's akin to doping at the Olympics , so to speak. Friendly predators I can sort of come to terms with, but the inconsistency in this new film is baffling.
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By the way, its funny how some users type some harsch words sometimes and nobody looking to it, not that I have ANY personal problem with it at all - looking to you Mr. Corporal Hicks and your previous behaviour against me esspecially (deleting tons of my comments about Predator). But Im remeber how I was wrongly attached a long ago into something in this similar comment section, something that was about me not respecting the rules of this website, so yeah. . its both funny and hilarious at the same time how people responsible for this website act against some of the people here. Pretty good memories. ::)
Can you point out where people have crossed the line here? For someone who sure likes complaining about the film he hasn't seen yet and the website you sure seem to like coming back.
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To be honest what I don't understand is why didn't Shane just make a independent film that was original in the first place , with original aliens etc, why does he feel it's nessersary to change the lore? If this film was the same film but with new aliens and not predators it would be far more successful than it's going to be. Mutated predators is just over the top in every sense of the word. They are suppose to believe in the fair honourable fight, how is pumping yourself full of DNA steroids doing that ? It's akin to doping at the Olympics , so to speak. Friendly predators I can sort of come to terms with, but the inconsistency in this new film is baffling.
Iirc didn't Fox specifically approach Black to make a Predator film?
About the famous controversial "toy"
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in the script it's just a kind of remote, so no need to get squeamish about it
people who described it probably couldn't know what they exactly saw.
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The end of the human race? Kid calling them to earth? Genetically altered predators? Sounds awful, the dna thing could be ok but i doubt it, and Iron Man 3 is a pretty bad movie, so i am not keeping my hopes up.
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It's like they purposefully picked a synopsis with buzzwords to just piss Predator fans off. Genetically engineered, disgruntled Science teacher, young boy.
I'm still waiting to see footage before I form an opinion but this isn't going to help with those out there that have already made up their minds.
Why would they try to get people NOT to watch the movie? You may be unto something though, maybe they want to create controversy so people will go watch it.
I believe he was probably being sarcastic... You know, playfully referring at, say, people like you :P
Hicks I was under the assumption it was the other way round, but maybe I'm mistaken. Even so, I still think this film could be about any old aliens , it just happens that they are predators. There's virtually no sign of true predator lore so far , and it's rather disappointing, but even though my hopes are not high , I'm still waiting for the final product before I make my final judgment. Someone said they have an abusive relationship with alien, I feel the very same way about predator, I get treated like shi*t but I'm addicted and will always pay for more of the same! 😂 I still want this film to be successful regardless if I like it or not, only just to see predator survive the Disney onslaught.
About that "glaive" thing, maybe it was a weapon added afterwards (which is cool) because there is no trace of it in the script.
Or maybe it was simply the single wristblade model we saw on the behind the scenes book cover, but showed too quickly to be identified as such.
ELDERCLANLEADER to be honest in the entertainment buisness it's really hard to believe in "true predator lore".
I was a huge movie nerd when I was a teen, but after time I got to the decicion that it's no such thing as a true lore in "Entertainment". Each fan decidec for them selfs what is a true lore. For me personaly the first and second Predator is the true lore, but it's because of Thomas brothers, John Mct, Stephen Hopkins, and Stan Winston company(and also the fact that I was 4 when I watched it). But now for me personaly it's imposible to continue the true lore, because brothers Thomas don't get job from 20 century, Stan Winston not with us, and his team are all in different places now, John Mct has problems and Stephen Hopkins not so popular any more. So for me it's physically impossible to recreate that lore again :)
Azamultic I get where your coming from bro , I think what I mean by lore , is the predator culture that was established in p1 and p2 just doesn't seem to exist in this new film. But that doesn't mean it isn't there , it just seems like it at this point .
Iv never really bought into the whole bad blood concept as I think it's unnecessary, as I said yesterday the lost tribe is a far superior way of bringing the franchise forward (or backwards if we were to get a prequel of sorts , going back to the 1700s would be fresh) however I accept that's only my opinion and it's not true for everyone. I totally understand you my friend, there will always be winners and losers when it comes to iconic nostalgic franchises. I just believe things could be be different if it was in the right hands.
Sounds like complete trash. That dumb kid playing with a toy ship crash lands and let loose "upgrades". Gimme a break that's the best they could come up with or what they settled for. Utter garbage.
so some saw the trailer, couldn't someone just have snapped a photo or something damn
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I don't think it's to much of a stretch to believe that not only do predators keep trophy's but they keep the DNA from their kills as well. It's not just our DNA they are mixing with but all kills from all planets they hunt it could explain the different looks and style of the predators we are getting with different movies could also explain a little why they hunt the strongest of our species so they can gain the attributes of their kill. I love the predator franchise but I for one don't want to see another team go against the predator and guess what a guy and girl survives and the predator dies and the We can't change the way fox are going we just need to enjoy it.
Now where is this trailer........
What was wrong with them just having different subspecies? Why does it have to be f*cking genetic dabbling bullsh*t?
Ah, this screams of BAD NEWS all over the place.
Agreed on both points. Aside from the easy, "why not just make them a subspecies" (unless they're going to use the subspecies angle for a future film, like the philosopher predator mentioned in the comic, novel, don't remember which one). The same formula of "team against predators" and "man and woman survive" and "predators die" is getting a bit tiresome. I'm still going to throw my money at the franchise because hell I'm in it for the long hall (maybe I'm a part of the problem? :laugh:) but it'd be nice if the formula changed at some point.
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I'm also having a hard time accepting the benevolence of the anti-hybrid predators in the movie. Why would they care? The leaked content doesn't really put forth a convincing argument for it.
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I'm also having a hard time accepting the benevolence of the anti-hybrid predators in the movie. Why would they care? The leaked content doesn't really put forth a convincing argument for it.
Because in the script
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the hybrids and the regular preds are in a kind of cold war, the hybrids clearly want to kill regular preds, so they have to worry about it... And as to why the hybrids want the regular preds killed, well, it is stated that too much hybridation could cause them to become more violent/aggressive and less honorable
BigDaddyJohn it's all a bit wtf don't you think bud?
So let me get this straight , they expect us to believe that all those preds that have gone before us and hunted us , would just switch sides and help us all because they are now the prey, isn't that somehow downgrading them, it's a bit extreme, maybe it's Shane blacks play on the word "predator" After all both the original predators from p1 and p2 became the prey in the end , and man became the predator.
Perhaps that's why they now respect us ?
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BigDaddyJohn it's all a bit wtf don't you think bud?
So let me get this straight , they expect us to believe that all those preds that have gone before us and hunted us , would just switch sides and help us all because they are now the prey, isn't that somehow downgrading them, it's a bit extreme, maybe it's Shane blacks play on the word "predator" After all both the original predators from p1 and p2 became the prey in the end , and man became the predator.
Perhaps that's why they now respect us ?
Hmm i guess it's downgrading in a way, yes. But i think if it's in order to tell a story with a bigger scale and bigger stakes overall, it could work somehow. And if the regular preds stay badass in the movie of course ! For that i have all faith in Shane Black, and based on the script the captured pred is badass enough for me :)
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I'm also having a hard time accepting the benevolence of the anti-hybrid predators in the movie. Why would they care? The leaked content doesn't really put forth a convincing argument for it.
Because in the script Spoiler
the hybrids and the regular preds are in a kind of cold war, the hybrids clearly want to kill regular preds, so they have to worry about it... And as to why the hybrids want the regular preds killed, well, it is stated that too much hybridation could cause them to become more violent/aggressive and less honorable
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BigDaddyJohn it's all a bit wtf don't you think bud?
So let me get this straight , they expect us to believe that all those preds that have gone before us and hunted us , would just switch sides and help us all because they are now the prey, isn't that somehow downgrading them, it's a bit extreme, maybe it's Shane blacks play on the word "predator" After all both the original predators from p1 and p2 became the prey in the end , and man became the predator.
Perhaps that's why they now respect us ?
That's the part I don't understand.
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The hybrids and regular predators are at odds with each other, fair enough. Big ones kill small ones like in Predators. But why would the regular predators care if the hybrids move into earth. Maybe they're afraid that once they set up shop on a planet of their own, they'll proliferate too much and unable to be contained? The abrupt switching of sides is sort of extreme...
From what I've seen, I still like the story. As of now, the thing I'm most irked about are how uni-dimensional some of the main characters are (well, one in particular) but the whole "benevolent" spin (probably not the right word but meh) is kind of hard to swallow.
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I'm also having a hard time accepting the benevolence of the anti-hybrid predators in the movie. Why would they care? The leaked content doesn't really put forth a convincing argument for it.
Because in the script Spoiler
the hybrids and the regular preds are in a kind of cold war, the hybrids clearly want to kill regular preds, so they have to worry about it... And as to why the hybrids want the regular preds killed, well, it is stated that too much hybridation could cause them to become more violent/aggressive and less honorable
Quote from: ELDERCLANLEADER on Apr 27, 2018, 05:24:34 PM
BigDaddyJohn it's all a bit wtf don't you think bud?
So let me get this straight , they expect us to believe that all those preds that have gone before us and hunted us , would just switch sides and help us all because they are now the prey, isn't that somehow downgrading them, it's a bit extreme, maybe it's Shane blacks play on the word "predator" After all both the original predators from p1 and p2 became the prey in the end , and man became the predator.
Perhaps that's why they now respect us ?
That's the part I don't understand.
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The hybrids and regular predators are at odds with each other, fair enough. Big ones kill small ones like in Predators. But why would the regular predators care if the hybrids move into earth. Maybe they're afraid that once they set up shop on a planet of their own, they'll proliferate too much and unable to be contained? The abrupt switching of sides is sort of extreme...
From what I've seen, I still like the story. As of now, the thing I'm most irked about are how uni-dimensional some of the main characters are (well, one in particular) but the whole "benevolent" spin (probably not the right word but meh) is kind of hard to swallow.
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I think it's because regular preds want to settle on earth in some unclear way too, but not in a conquerous/dominative way... And don't want their deadly fellow hybrid preds neighbouring them :laugh:
I get that they have to sell this not just to predator fans but mainstream too. It's in that sense Iv learnt already to accept it for what it is. But one thing is no doubt and certain ...it's a very brave or stupid move fox and black have pulled, depending on the outcome box office success wise. That ultimately will be how the film judged.
I got to say, it is a little disconcerting reading all this, I don't know if I am going to like this movie from what I am seeing but I will keep an open mind. Predator may not been the most grounded of sci/fi i.e cloaking, plasma guns and glowing green blood but this whole hybrid thing among other stuff...its just a little over the top. It is looking to be set up as the "Resurrection" of the franchise, its even the fourth film too. :P
I notice that a lot of these elements, such as the dna thing seems to have been brought over from Predators, as I remember that the original explanation for the super preds.
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I get that they have to sell this not just to predator fans but mainstream too. It's in that sense Iv learnt already to accept it for what it is. But one thing is no doubt and certain ...it's a very brave or stupid move fox and black have pulled, depending on the outcome box office success wise. That ultimately will be how the film judged.
That is the sad thing about today, as movies, tv and games are throwing away good, complex lore/story in order to simplify things for the casual audience, they should stick to their guns/fanbases and genre/tone/style/lore because they would still get plenty of views. I mean AVP sucked in many ways but one of them was because they toned things down so they can get a "wider audience"
The Cruentus you are right on the money with that one imo pal , it's sad but very true , quick fast digestible media for consumption to the mass . Not original story telling, or any true meaning of the word art. But then again it could just be nostalgia :o
I already pointed that out :laugh:
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It is looking to be set up as the "Resurrection" of the franchise, its even the fourth film too. :P
ELDERCLANLEADER ohh man, not having any meaning of word art in this movie is a little bit of the stretch ;) I do believe that Shane Black is a good artist, and he does what he does for his love for the movies and not straight up for the money ;)
Quote from: ELDERCLANLEADER on Apr 27, 2018, 06:41:59 PM
I get that they have to sell this not just to predator fans but mainstream too. It's in that sense Iv learnt already to accept it for what it is. But one thing is no doubt and certain ...it's a very brave or stupid move fox and black have pulled, depending on the outcome box office success wise. That ultimately will be how the film judged.
Dredd and Blade Runner 2049 both underperformed at the Box Office and I think both are brilliant. Both are easily in my top movie list, maybe even my top 10 (if that's a thing...).
I'd happily take a Predator movie that equals how I feel about Dredd and BR2049 over Box Office success.
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Quote from: ELDERCLANLEADER on Apr 27, 2018, 06:41:59 PM
I get that they have to sell this not just to predator fans but mainstream too. It's in that sense Iv learnt already to accept it for what it is. But one thing is no doubt and certain ...it's a very brave or stupid move fox and black have pulled, depending on the outcome box office success wise. That ultimately will be how the film judged.
Dredd and Blade Runner 2049 both underperformed at the Box Office and I think both are brilliant. Both are easily in my top movie list, maybe even my top 10 (if that's a thing...).
I'd happily take a Predator movie that equals how I feel about Dredd and BR2049 over Box Office success.
Great films indeed. But the DNA Splicing and offering a Predator "tribe" that is near invulnarable is not a smart move if you ask me.
The previous films offer plenty one could build upon, without just slapping new concepts to it for the sake of it.
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Quote from: ELDERCLANLEADER on Apr 27, 2018, 06:41:59 PM
I get that they have to sell this not just to predator fans but mainstream too. It's in that sense Iv learnt already to accept it for what it is. But one thing is no doubt and certain ...it's a very brave or stupid move fox and black have pulled, depending on the outcome box office success wise. That ultimately will be how the film judged.
Dredd and Blade Runner 2049 both underperformed at the Box Office and I think both are brilliant. Both are easily in my top movie list, maybe even my top 10 (if that's a thing...).
I'd happily take a Predator movie that equals how I feel about Dredd and BR2049 over Box Office success.
Great films indeed. But the DNA Splicing and offering a Predator "tribe" that is near invulnarable is not a smart move if you ask me.
The previous films offer plenty one could build upon, without just slapping new concepts to it for the sake of it.
I didn't say that this Predator movie would be good. Whilst I'm still optimistic and hyped for it, it could still be absolute rubbish (I really hope it's not).
The synopsis suggests that they are going for the general audience, by that I mean that it could work as a sci-fi movie but the jury is still out as a Predator movie.
One aspect I like is Holbrook's "team" seemed to be "hunting" them. Which was a cool part of Pred 2 and Peter Key's staff. The time has come story-evolution wise for us to know the Preds arrive here to hunt and for us to be proactive about it. So that could be cool. Holbrook survives (seems like his team is whiped out ala Dutch) so that is a symbolic "ode". Only this time we actually get to experience a character that has survived an encounter and follow his story (finally). That part of this movie-at least has me intrigued.
I do wish the DNA-Pred was a rouge-solo Pred and the base of the story. I never will accept or adapt to the idea of Preds and us in some sort of partnership no matter what the spin.
I think this interview gives answers why they need "upgrade" in this movie.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TKGhlSvivQQ 7:17
I don't want to leap to judgement before I've even seen the trailer, let alone the movie itself, but I'm having a hard time being optimistic given everything we've heard. The whole genetic meddling/upgrade concept has no appeal to me. If it ain't broke, don't fix it. Bigger and flashier isn't always better. A big part of what I love about the predators is their culture and lore and I'd really hate to lose it.
Also, I really hope the kid isn't a big part of the plot. I'm not a kid hater but usually the whole "precocious genius child" character irritates me to death.
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Quote from: ELDERCLANLEADER on Apr 27, 2018, 06:41:59 PM
I get that they have to sell this not just to predator fans but mainstream too. It's in that sense Iv learnt already to accept it for what it is. But one thing is no doubt and certain ...it's a very brave or stupid move fox and black have pulled, depending on the outcome box office success wise. That ultimately will be how the film judged.
Dredd and Blade Runner 2049 both underperformed at the Box Office and I think both are brilliant. Both are easily in my top movie list, maybe even my top 10 (if that's a thing...).
I'd happily take a Predator movie that equals how I feel about Dredd and BR2049 over Box Office success.
Dredd and BR 2049 were both fantastic. But they were definitely mature, and stayed that way. Mixing gore with oodles of comedy and this kid with his magical toys is going to be a hard sell for them to make, in my case at least. At this point, it sounds like "the watch" mixed with E.T. I think when all is said and done, however good the film is right now, eliminating most all of the comedy and removing the kid from the script would have sent it further in the right direction. The bigger question is, will Tony Stark give the kid a mustang after the credits?
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I'm fine with this. It's all about execution.
Really? Really? Lamest cop out ever since ever :v
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I already pointed that out :laugh:
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It is looking to be set up as the "Resurrection" of the franchise, its even the fourth film too. :P
Made all the more ironic due to Shane dissing Alien Resurrection's special effects and the Alien storylines before shooting this film. :laugh:
Maybe a little bit of humility is in order before taking on these franchises...
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I get that they have to sell this not just to predator fans but mainstream too. It's in that sense Iv learnt already to accept it for what it is. But one thing is no doubt and certain ...it's a very brave or stupid move fox and black have pulled, depending on the outcome box office success wise. That ultimately will be how the film judged.
Dredd and Blade Runner 2049 both underperformed at the Box Office and I think both are brilliant. Both are easily in my top movie list, maybe even my top 10 (if that's a thing...).
I'd happily take a Predator movie that equals how I feel about Dredd and BR2049 over Box Office success.
Dredd and BR 2049 were both fantastic. But they were definitely mature, and stayed that way. Mixing gore with oodles of comedy and this kid with his magical toys is going to be a hard sell for them to make, in my case at least. At this point, it sounds like "the watch" mixed with E.T. I think when all is said and done, however good the film is right now, eliminating most all of the comedy and removing the kid from the script would have sent it further in the right direction. The bigger question is, will Tony Stark give the kid a mustang after the credits?
BR 2049 is unique, it does nto stand comparision with other movies, is a work of art, it underperformed because people go to see stuff like Infinity War
The Predator movie sounds awful, i am even thinking of not seeing it on theaters
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I get that they have to sell this not just to predator fans but mainstream too. It's in that sense Iv learnt already to accept it for what it is. But one thing is no doubt and certain ...it's a very brave or stupid move fox and black have pulled, depending on the outcome box office success wise. That ultimately will be how the film judged.
Dredd and Blade Runner 2049 both underperformed at the Box Office and I think both are brilliant. Both are easily in my top movie list, maybe even my top 10 (if that's a thing...).
I'd happily take a Predator movie that equals how I feel about Dredd and BR2049 over Box Office success.
Dredd and BR 2049 were both fantastic. But they were definitely mature, and stayed that way. Mixing gore with oodles of comedy and this kid with his magical toys is going to be a hard sell for them to make, in my case at least. At this point, it sounds like "the watch" mixed with E.T. I think when all is said and done, however good the film is right now, eliminating most all of the comedy and removing the kid from the script would have sent it further in the right direction. The bigger question is, will Tony Stark give the kid a mustang after the credits?
BR 2049 is unique, it does nto stand comparision with other movies, is a work of art, it underperformed because people go to see stuff like Infinity War
The Predator movie sounds awful, i am even thinking of not seeing it on theaters
Or maybe it was a pretentious, ostentatious attempt at art ? Despite having qualities (mostly visual thanks to Roger Deakins)...
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I get that they have to sell this not just to predator fans but mainstream too. It's in that sense Iv learnt already to accept it for what it is. But one thing is no doubt and certain ...it's a very brave or stupid move fox and black have pulled, depending on the outcome box office success wise. That ultimately will be how the film judged.
Dredd and Blade Runner 2049 both underperformed at the Box Office and I think both are brilliant. Both are easily in my top movie list, maybe even my top 10 (if that's a thing...).
I'd happily take a Predator movie that equals how I feel about Dredd and BR2049 over Box Office success.
Dredd and BR 2049 were both fantastic. But they were definitely mature, and stayed that way. Mixing gore with oodles of comedy and this kid with his magical toys is going to be a hard sell for them to make, in my case at least. At this point, it sounds like "the watch" mixed with E.T. I think when all is said and done, however good the film is right now, eliminating most all of the comedy and removing the kid from the script would have sent it further in the right direction. The bigger question is, will Tony Stark give the kid a mustang after the credits?
BR 2049 is unique, it does nto stand comparision with other movies, is a work of art, it underperformed because people go to see stuff like Infinity War
The Predator movie sounds awful, i am even thinking of not seeing it on theaters
Or maybe it was a pretentious, ostentatious attempt at art ? Despite having qualities (mostly visual thanks to Roger Deakins)...
It was more on the nose than the original, but still a film head and shoulders above other scifi.
I always find it funny that any attempt to do something deeper or more thought provoking than a fun popcorn flick is labeled pretentious.
Anyway regarding The Predator, i dont know if this film will be great, okay, or terrible. All I do know is that people take these things way way too seriously.
Not really I don't think you need to change lore just for the sake of appealing to a wider audience. The problem is with studios is they spend more time worrying about profit and how to make a quick buck , then spending time to build a rich original world that the fans can get behind that's consistent and doesn't contradict things that have gone before. I don't think making a quality predator film would be a hard thing to ask in the right hands. It desperately needs someone like Christoper Nolan or Peter Jackson imo, but The Predator is what it is ? And I accept it , I'll just try to enjoy what I can.
It reminds me of the mutated DNA crap Jurassic world pulled , the Jurassic World Series just doesn't feel like jurassic park anymore imo , and I see similarities with The Predator.
Quote from: ELDERCLANLEADER on Apr 28, 2018, 02:18:37 PM
The problem is with studios is they spend more time worrying about profit and how to make a quick buck , then spending time to build a rich original world that the fans can get behind that's consistent and doesn't contradict things that have gone before.
Bingo. You'd think it would make more marketing sense to have consistently good films that provide profit over a long term rather than a committee-made, quick production designed to make as much profit as possible but will have less people interested in a follow up.
The way Disney handled Star Wars is a good example of this.
Quote from: irn on Apr 28, 2018, 04:17:43 PM
Bingo. You'd think it would make more marketing sense to have consistently good films that provide profit over a long term rather than a committee-made, quick production designed to make as much profit as possible but will have less people interested in a follow up.
The way Disney handled Star Wars is a good example of this.
Whilst I agree with you, I think this is veering off into a whole different debate RE: capitalism, sadly. The primary goal of a film these days is to make money. Ideally at the box office where people will pay a premium.
If a studio caters too much to a particular fanbase, they're going to run the risk of entering pure fanfic territory. Which, for any franchise, would be amn utter disaster.
Unfortunately for us Predator fans, Star Wars is an entirely different ball game to the Pred. It was/is one of a few films which appeals to nearly everyone. Nerds, Jocks, Geeks, Muggles - every single one of those 'personas' adored Star Wars - almost universally so. And, as much as I'd love them to treat it the same way, there's no way they will, sadly.
I think Pred is seen as more of a 'nerdy' thing these days. It was an 'Arnie film' and I think would/did have a bigger following back then thanks to his success; but I think the shite sequels/spin offs have put the Pred in the shadows a bit.
In that respect this purported reinvention isn't a bad thing, I suppose; but I do 100% agree with you; I would have genuinely loved if they'd been true to P1 & P2.
Why can't they just drop the "Super Predator" nonsense? Seriously the Predator is an awesome movie monster on its own, we don't need some super-dooper version! They already did this with Predators 2010 and nobody liked it then so why do it again with The Predator 2018. In case anyone forgot the original Predators script featured the DNA hunting Bullsh** and most fans hated the concept, why is this movie reusing it? its stupid!
Long time no see guys. I was deliberately not posting in this thread to see how things go further and not to be named pessimist anymore. But as we have official synopsis and trailer inoming hot I decided not to stay away any longer. It seems script hasn't changed an iota, we will have all of this kid genius who can understand Alien! I'll repeat ALIEN!!! Language, as well as whole shift in the lore with genetic enchantment and alien invasion. This stuff is generic as hell and I have bad feeling about this film.
P.s. What happened to you Johnny?
I didnt like AVP, AVPR, Predators. I will not say anything about this until i see the trailer
QuoteP.s. What happened to you Johnny?
Looking forward to a new Predator movie written and directed by one of my favourite filmmakers. But thats something very unusual, it seems.
Lots of blood, action, smart ass dialogue, good actors... for me personally, i think i will enjoy the hell out of this.
We're not talking about a river in Egypt here, that's for damn sure. ::)
So far we haven't heard anything about particularly witty dialogue, the characters are mixed bag, the ideas with the Predators are dubious at best.
Johnny Handsome "Looking forward to a new Predator movie written and directed by one of my favourite filmmakers." agree with you sir!
Quote from: 426Buddy on Apr 28, 2018, 01:49:06 PM
I always find it funny that any attempt to do something deeper or more thought provoking than a fun popcorn flick is labeled pretentious.
Anyway regarding The Predator, i dont know if this film will be great, okay, or terrible. All I do know is that people take these things way way too seriously.
Oh believe me, I'm all for "smart" horror and scifi. I'd like to see awesome new elements added to the franchise (especially expanding on established lore and showing characters with depth - I want to care about what happens to them!) Predator doesn't have to remain an "Arnie film" like it was when it first debuted. I'd accept it either way it goes. I just wish that the
integrity of the franchise was left intact. After being a fan for decades, you get sort of...protective.
Quote from: Master on Apr 28, 2018, 04:34:59 PM
Long time no see guys. I was deliberately not posting in this thread to see how things go further and not to be named pessimist anymore. But as we have official synopsis and trailer inoming hot I decided not to stay away any longer. It seems script hasn't changed an iota, we will have all of this kid genius who can understand Alien! I'll repeat ALIEN!!! Language, as well as whole shift in the lore with genetic enchantment and alien invasion. This stuff is generic as hell and I have bad feeling about this film.
Sigh... My thoughts to the T :-[ Though on a positive note, they did say that there were extensive changes done to the script in the last half. I don't know how extensive they could be given that the plot points haven't changed, but at least the re-filming does give me some reassurance that the movie may be significantly different in execution than what was portrayed in the leaked info. So, there's that...
Tick Tock!... I wonder when the trailer will actually drop ?
Im surprised there's been no official confirmation, or if there has Iv missed it, any ideas anyone ? I really thought they would of released something by now. ???
ELDERCLANLEADER A lot of people think that it will drop with Deadpool 2, so I guess may 16?
Wysps
"I just wish that the integrity of the franchise was left intact. " I think integrity of a franchise was same in the first two movies, which is 1987, and 1990. After that everything was different and not really canon personaly for me) So after having AVP, AVPR, Predators I don't really worry about how much lore they butchering, because this previous movies already did a lot of damage ;D
Quote from: Johnny Handsome on Apr 28, 2018, 06:12:01 PM
QuoteP.s. What happened to you Johnny?
Looking forward to a new Predator movie written and directed by one of my favourite filmmakers. But thats something very unusual, it seems.
Lots of blood, action, smart ass dialogue, good actors... for me personally, i think i will enjoy the hell out of this.
What about piss poor plot and absolute change of established lore?
Quote from: Master on Apr 28, 2018, 08:19:28 PM
Quote from: Johnny Handsome on Apr 28, 2018, 06:12:01 PM
QuoteP.s. What happened to you Johnny?
Looking forward to a new Predator movie written and directed by one of my favourite filmmakers. But thats something very unusual, it seems.
Lots of blood, action, smart ass dialogue, good actors... for me personally, i think i will enjoy the hell out of this.
What about piss poor plot and absolute change of established lore?
Mind you, i watch the movie first and then make up my mind, until then, i decided to continue to be joyful for a new entry in my abolute favourite franchise.
Im up for new ideas to add to the lore.
Of course, final judgement will come after release but nothing so far ease my anxiety. In other words it doesn't sound good.
We'll have a good idea about what we'll be getting from the movie once they release the trailer. I'm just curious to know the overall tone of the film. That's going to tell me all I need to know. It can have all the violence and gore it wants, but those cannot substitute for bad writing and poor execution.
For today's Blockbusters only what is important is CGI, nothing else.
Like Porn movies.
Weak story & dialog, as much as possible higher quality special effects, and that's It, Bingo!
I don't know how the movie will turn out, but the scene where a group of soldiers battles against a group of Predators, in the jungle, sounds pretty badass.
Technically, the Super Predators where supposed to be altered beasts themselves. But at least they were still wearing armor and had vulnerabilities.
Having a naked predator just pulling a Superman isn't my idea of interesting.
Quote from: skull-splitter on Apr 28, 2018, 11:40:03 PM
Technically, the Super Predators where supposed to be altered beasts themselves. But at least they were still wearing armor and had vulnerabilities.
Having a naked predator just pulling a Superman isn't my idea of interesting.
Yikes! Was that really in the leaked script?
Quote from: Mr. Xenomorph on Apr 29, 2018, 12:54:55 AM
Quote from: skull-splitter on Apr 28, 2018, 11:40:03 PM
Technically, the Super Predators where supposed to be altered beasts themselves. But at least they were still wearing armor and had vulnerabilities.
Having a naked predator just pulling a Superman isn't my idea of interesting.
Yikes! Was that really in the leaked script?
Don't tell me that Predators are bulletproof...
Quote from: skull-splitter on Apr 28, 2018, 11:40:03 PM
Technically, the Super Predators where supposed to be altered beasts themselves. But at least they were still wearing armor and had vulnerabilities.
Having a naked predator just pulling a Superman isn't my idea of interesting.
I read the script and I believe that the upgrade predator is not naked. The idea the script wanted to pass on is that the upgrade does not need armor or mask to protect itself... probably he wears some sort of costume or cloak. :P
Quote from: Mr. Xenomorph on Apr 29, 2018, 12:54:55 AM
Quote from: skull-splitter on Apr 28, 2018, 11:40:03 PM
Technically, the Super Predators where supposed to be altered beasts themselves. But at least they were still wearing armor and had vulnerabilities.
Having a naked predator just pulling a Superman isn't my idea of interesting.
Yikes! Was that really in the leaked script?
Survival tactic. Nobody ever wants to fight the naked guy.
The predators aren't indestructible in the script are they? Be pretty boring if the fights were one sided.
https://twitter.com/oliviamunn/status/990393490126258176
This sounds interesting:
https://twitter.com/EricVespe/status/989568490024583168?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw&ref_url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.indiewire.com%2F2018%2F04%2Fthe-predator-footage-shane-black-trailer-1201957609%2F
Quote from: Aliens Exist on Apr 29, 2018, 01:27:03 AM
Quote from: Mr. Xenomorph on Apr 29, 2018, 12:54:55 AM
Quote from: skull-splitter on Apr 28, 2018, 11:40:03 PM
Technically, the Super Predators where supposed to be altered beasts themselves. But at least they were still wearing armor and had vulnerabilities.
Having a naked predator just pulling a Superman isn't my idea of interesting.
Yikes! Was that really in the leaked script?
Don't tell me that Predators are bulletproof...
Bulletproof? Upgrade took plasma caster bolts on bare skin and was unfazed.
Quote from: funk_master_chunk on Apr 29, 2018, 05:34:59 AM
This sounds interesting:
https://twitter.com/EricVespe/status/989568490024583168?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw&ref_url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.indiewire.com%2F2018%2F04%2Fthe-predator-footage-shane-black-trailer-1201957609%2F
Why is that character. Sounds like just a regular ol shot.
Quote from: Master on Apr 29, 2018, 05:55:31 AM
Quote from: Aliens Exist on Apr 29, 2018, 01:27:03 AM
Quote from: Mr. Xenomorph on Apr 29, 2018, 12:54:55 AM
Quote from: skull-splitter on Apr 28, 2018, 11:40:03 PM
Technically, the Super Predators where supposed to be altered beasts themselves. But at least they were still wearing armor and had vulnerabilities.
Having a naked predator just pulling a Superman isn't my idea of interesting.
Yikes! Was that really in the leaked script?
Don't tell me that Predators are bulletproof...
Bulletproof? Spoilertags
Use them.
Quote from: Highland on Apr 29, 2018, 07:15:25 AM
Why is that character. Sounds like just a regular ol shot.
The pred having sights on the kid.
Has to be the upgrade as the Classic wouldn't harm a kid, would it?
Quote from: funk_master_chunk on Apr 29, 2018, 07:23:34 AM
Quote from: Highland on Apr 29, 2018, 07:15:25 AM
Why is that character. Sounds like just a regular ol shot.
The pred having sights on the kid.
Has to be the upgrade as the Classic wouldn't harm a kid, would it?
Depends if Black bothered to look at the lore. Guess we will find out.
Quote from: Highland on Apr 29, 2018, 07:56:20 AM
Quote from: funk_master_chunk on Apr 29, 2018, 07:23:34 AM
Quote from: Highland on Apr 29, 2018, 07:15:25 AM
Why is that character. Sounds like just a regular ol shot.
The pred having sights on the kid.
Has to be the upgrade as the Classic wouldn't harm a kid, would it?
Depends if Black bothered to look at the lore. Guess we will find out.
Can't see him overlooking this given he was brought in to re-draft the script of P1 and it touches on the Pred not killing unarmed people etc.
Yeah but now we've got bad preds that are badder than the normal bad preds.
What mental gymnastics gets one from "new Predators that are clearly established as being distinct from the originals" to "doesn't understand established mythology"? I'd like to add it to my repertoire.
The big Hybrid was described as a naturally armored Predator, without any armor or anything on his body, I wonder if he has at least the wrist gauntlet, because without it. . how he can controll his ship etc. Maybe that he lost his gauntlet or that the classic Predator somehow steal it from him. Could this wrist gauntlet be the one that the Kid got from his father?
Quote from: SiL on Apr 29, 2018, 09:31:07 AM
What mental gymnastics gets one from "new Predators that are clearly established as being distinct from the originals" to "doesn't understand established mythology"? I'd like to add it to my repertoire.
Why do we need the predators to be be bigger and badder thats my problem. They were already kick ass.
Well we already know, so the people with 90 IQ can figure stuff out.
I actualy like the idea of rogue hunters, but I don't think you need genetically modified red haired naked predators to get that message across.
I still think predator works as a copy of the original, but with slight changes, bit like the Alien franchise.
Quote from: Highland on Apr 29, 2018, 10:53:54 AM
Quote from: SiL on Apr 29, 2018, 09:31:07 AM
What mental gymnastics gets one from "new Predators that are clearly established as being distinct from the originals" to "doesn't understand established mythology"? I'd like to add it to my repertoire.
Why do we need the predators to be be bigger and badder thats my problem. They were already kick ass.
Well we already know, so the people with 90 IQ can figure stuff out.
I actualy like the idea of rogue hunters, but I don't think you need genetically modified red haired naked predators to get that message across.
I still think predator works as a copy of the original, but with slight changes, bit like the Alien franchise.
Remember Jurassic World? And the new one being even worse at this?
Quote from: skull-splitter on Apr 29, 2018, 11:25:03 AM
Quote from: Highland on Apr 29, 2018, 10:53:54 AM
Quote from: SiL on Apr 29, 2018, 09:31:07 AM
What mental gymnastics gets one from "new Predators that are clearly established as being distinct from the originals" to "doesn't understand established mythology"? I'd like to add it to my repertoire.
Why do we need the predators to be be bigger and badder thats my problem. They were already kick ass.
Well we already know, so the people with 90 IQ can figure stuff out.
I actualy like the idea of rogue hunters, but I don't think you need genetically modified red haired naked predators to get that message across.
I still think predator works as a copy of the original, but with slight changes, bit like the Alien franchise.
Remember Jurassic World? And the new one being even worse at this?
I thought Jurassic World was pretty good.
Quote from: Highland on Apr 29, 2018, 10:53:54 AM
Why do we need the predators to be be bigger and badder thats my problem. They were already kick ass.
Well we already know, so the people with 90 IQ can figure stuff out.
I actualy like the idea of rogue hunters, but I don't think you need genetically modified red haired naked predators to get that message across.
I still think predator works as a copy of the original, but with slight changes, bit like the Alien franchise.
Still waiting for you to connect "new Predators" with "ignoring the lore of the old ones".
Quote from: Huggs on Apr 29, 2018, 01:48:07 AM
Quote from: Mr. Xenomorph on Apr 29, 2018, 12:54:55 AM
Quote from: skull-splitter on Apr 28, 2018, 11:40:03 PM
Technically, the Super Predators where supposed to be altered beasts themselves. But at least they were still wearing armor and had vulnerabilities.
Having a naked predator just pulling a Superman isn't my idea of interesting.
Yikes! Was that really in the leaked script?
Survival tactic. Nobody ever wants to fight the naked guy.
Hahaha reminded me of General Butt Naked from Liberia ! If you haven't seen him, check it out, you'll thank me later !
Quote from: Highland on Apr 29, 2018, 11:48:27 AM
Quote from: skull-splitter on Apr 29, 2018, 11:25:03 AM
Quote from: Highland on Apr 29, 2018, 10:53:54 AM
Quote from: SiL on Apr 29, 2018, 09:31:07 AM
What mental gymnastics gets one from "new Predators that are clearly established as being distinct from the originals" to "doesn't understand established mythology"? I'd like to add it to my repertoire.
Why do we need the predators to be be bigger and badder thats my problem. They were already kick ass.
Well we already know, so the people with 90 IQ can figure stuff out.
I actualy like the idea of rogue hunters, but I don't think you need genetically modified red haired naked predators to get that message across.
I still think predator works as a copy of the original, but with slight changes, bit like the Alien franchise.
Remember Jurassic World? And the new one being even worse at this?
I thought Jurassic World was pretty good.
That actually explains a lot ;)
Quote from: Highland on Apr 29, 2018, 11:48:27 AM
Quote from: skull-splitter on Apr 29, 2018, 11:25:03 AM
Quote from: Highland on Apr 29, 2018, 10:53:54 AM
Quote from: SiL on Apr 29, 2018, 09:31:07 AM
What mental gymnastics gets one from "new Predators that are clearly established as being distinct from the originals" to "doesn't understand established mythology"? I'd like to add it to my repertoire.
Why do we need the predators to be be bigger and badder thats my problem. They were already kick ass.
Well we already know, so the people with 90 IQ can figure stuff out.
I actualy like the idea of rogue hunters, but I don't think you need genetically modified red haired naked predators to get that message across.
I still think predator works as a copy of the original, but with slight changes, bit like the Alien franchise.
Remember Jurassic World? And the new one being even worse at this?
I thought Jurassic World was pretty good.
Bigger, meaner, messier, the best part was the line of Chris Pratt saying "Isn't a dinosaur good enough anymore?" Or something like it.
It was a mess and I did not care for a sequel since. Recent trailers for the next installment made it even worse.
Skull Splitter it was indeed a mess , it wasn't just the DNA that got bugged me and the mutated Dino either , it was the fact it chose to go against the lore of the originals of being scientifically as plausible as possible. All the orginals based their designs on what the scientific consensus of the time was , we all know they look way more like animals with feathers and fir etc , also the puppets and cgi were far more superior to in the old ones,
jurassic world came out and made them dumb monsters with no soul,the way the originals didnt , and all of this is at the heart of what I'm seeing now done to The Predator... it's just a disgrace. And people can play it down all they want , but when you have loved this alien since being a kid , is there any wonder why the core fan base is a little pissed? 😤
Apologies for my bad grammar I'm in a bit of a rush , so I hope you know what I mean ;)
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Bulletproof? Upgrade took plasma caster bolts on bare skin and was unfazed.
Yeah, and in the end
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McKenna shoots a single human weapon bullet in the Upgrade's head and then his skin is not an armor.
What a contradiction in the script.
Anyway, some other questions about the script:
1. Is this an early script? I ask becasue
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it has Dutch's cameo in the end.
2. The script mentions
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Hybrids...it wasn't clear for me that the "hybrids" were referenced to the "4-legged creatures", or the Predator hybrid dogs, or the other non-classic Predators?
3. How many
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Predators are in actually? 1 classic who is been captured in the beginning, 2 classic friendly who help the humans, th big boss known as the Upgrade...and there are more hybrid Predators?
Lets get real here for a second. Jurassic Park is a series that's entirely based on manipulating DNA. The fact that they come up with a hybrid isn't outside of the movie limits, its well within it since most of the original Dinosaurs are made up of other genetic codes.
The whole series is about manipulation of dead creatures. Even the normal Dinosaurs are hybrids of sorts.
QuoteStill waiting for you to connect "new Predators" with "ignoring the lore of the old ones"
I didn't, I said we will have to wait and see. I think Predators was actually a decent movie, but replace the Predators with normal ones....it's the same movie. It might have actually been better.
Quote from: Xerxész on Apr 29, 2018, 02:36:31 PM
Quote from: MasterSpoiler
Bulletproof? Upgrade took plasma caster bolts on bare skin and was unfazed.
Yeah, and in the end Spoiler
McKenna shoots a single human weapon bullet in the Upgrade's head and then his skin is not an armor.
To be fair it's not exactly like that
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he shoots him in the eye. But i agree there is some weird stuff too, Mc Kenna's sniper shots make the upgrade stumble a bit, even though he is already wounded from the ship crashing earlier, thus making him maybe weaker. But it's WTF that multiple plasma shots didn't do him any damage, even though being probably 100 times more powerful than a human sniper rifle.
Quote from: Highland on Apr 29, 2018, 02:45:52 PM
Lets get real here for a second. Jurassic Park is a series that's entirely based on manipulating DNA. The fact that they come up with a hybrid isn't outside of the movie limits, its well within it since most of the original Dinosaurs are made up of other genetic codes.
The whole series is about manipulation of dead creatures. Even the normal Dinosaurs are hybrids of sorts.
Yep, I was saying this in the Jurassic series thread, they were all hybrids. Wu even has to lampshade this in the fourth film for people didn't peg it in the first film.
Quote from: Highland on Apr 29, 2018, 02:45:52 PM
I didn't, I said we will have to wait and see. I think Predators was actually a decent movie, but replace the Predators with normal ones....it's the same movie. It might have actually been better.
Predators was a decent movie but it did rehash the first film a lot but yeah, the super predators weren't really super, just a rival clan or bad blood. They were just slightly technologically superior due to constantly upgrading their tech.
Highland I get you there, after all it was frog DNA that made everything possible , but it was the way it was done in jurassic world , it didn't interconnect at any meaningful level and felt like a gimmick, my main reason for not liking the jurassic World Series is they feel like monster movies , and not something plausible the way the originals were. Jurassic park 1, 2 and 3 all tried to stay in line with what the general scientific consensus of what a dinosaur looked like at that period of time , and tried it's best to make them realistic, even the third one started putting feathers on the raptors , because in the real world we now know that's the case. Jurassic world didn't stick to that , and reduces them to Hollywood monsters imo. Not to mention the cgi was terrible in jurassic world compared to the originals, because the originals didn't really use cgi that much it was mostly puppetry, and that's what makes them special and it shows.
Quote from: BigDaddyJohnTo be fair it's not exactly like that Spoiler
he shoots him in the eye. But i agree there is some weird stuff too, Mc Kenna's sniper shots make the upgrade stumble a bit, even though he is already wounded from the ship crashing earlier, thus making him maybe weaker.
Really, I was wrong. :)
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I wonder I can't find any new Predator weapons... Even that 2 friendly Predator use human weapons when confronting the hybrids...but why? It's bullshit. Where are their weapons?
Quote from: Xerxész on Apr 29, 2018, 02:36:31 PM
Quote from: MasterSpoiler
Bulletproof? Upgrade took plasma caster bolts on bare skin and was unfazed.
Yeah, and in the end Spoiler
McKenna shoots a single human weapon bullet in the Upgrade's head and then his skin is not an armor.
Anyway, some other questions about the script:
1. Is this an early script? I ask becasue Spoiler
it has Dutch's cameo in the end.
Spoiler
Hybrids...it wasn't clear for me that the "hybrids" were referenced to the "4-legged creatures", or the Predator hybrid dogs, or the other non-classic Predators?
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Predators are in actually? 1 classic who is been captured in the beginning, 2 classic friendly who help the humans, th big boss known as the Upgrade...and there are more hybrid Predators?
1. What BiggDaddyJohny said.
2.
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Upgrade Super Monster Hybrid Predator has whole lot of various hybrid creatures that he releases upon loonies.
3.
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4. In the draft I read Renegade predator also had human DNA in his blood.
Quote from: Highland on Apr 29, 2018, 02:45:52 PM
Lets get real here for a second. Jurassic Park is a series that's entirely based on manipulating DNA. The fact that they come up with a hybrid isn't outside of the movie limits, its well within it since most of the original Dinosaurs are made up of other genetic codes.
The whole series is about manipulation of dead creatures. Even the normal Dinosaurs are hybrids of sorts.
QuoteStill waiting for you to connect "new Predators" with "ignoring the lore of the old ones"
I didn't, I said we will have to wait and see. I think Predators was actually a decent movie, but replace the Predators with normal ones....it's the same movie. It might have actually been better.
The books where about to what degree you could control nature, and the use of parts of unchecked DNA made them able to change sex when needed, there was not a single dinofrog in frame. Them being hybrids has never been the point and Wu only pointed this out in the fourth film to excuse the writers to make it into a generic monster film.
Another theme was Hammond wanting to make something real or at least as real as possible only to end up with fake control over his creation, lightly brushing themes of god having little to say in his creation or humans as being gods not being able to control what they make. Still fake, but a good impression at best.
I referenced Jurassic World to point out that reinteprentations rarely make for better concepts.
For me it kinda still does step on the lore. For hundreds of years the predators have been coming to earth to hunt man, so it's been established that this ritual is quite old.
Predator 2 is almost a perfect example of how you expand the story ( even if you didn't rate the movie). It's the same, but not the same.
Honestly I'd rather have had the female predator than the steroid predator....., But they might be cool, I'll have to take a look.
P2 is a perfect in that regard and easily could have been expanded upon without resorting to DNA-upgrades and other weird shit.
Quote from: Xerxész on Apr 29, 2018, 03:13:41 PM
Quote from: BigDaddyJohnTo be fair it's not exactly like that Spoiler
he shoots him in the eye. But i agree there is some weird stuff too, Mc Kenna's sniper shots make the upgrade stumble a bit, even though he is already wounded from the ship crashing earlier, thus making him maybe weaker.
Really, I was wrong. :)
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I wonder I can't find any new Predator weapons... Even that 2 friendly Predator use human weapons when confronting the hybrids...but why? It's bullshit. Where are their weapons?
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The upgrade has a wrist mounted ion cannon on one arm, and a thing that fires double pronged arrows on the other arm, so those two are new at least. The two friend preds have some sort of grappling hook mounted on their wrist also. Regarding the captured pred, indeed there is no mention of new weapons for him as of right now, but it's totally possible they'll grant him new toys in the final movie, at least i hope ;D
And for how many preds are in this movie, the scripts counts 3 regular preds, 1 upgrade, 2 predator dogs/hybrids + 8 other hybrids that are in cryo tubes in the upgrade ship.
The predators upgraded themselves by turning themselves into dogs? That's a downgrade if anything.
Quote from: Highland on Apr 29, 2018, 02:45:52 PM
I didn't, I said we will have to wait and see. I think Predators was actually a decent movie, but replace the Predators with normal ones....it's the same movie. It might have actually been better.
Someone said they didn't think Black would ignore the rules of the regular Predator's since he worked on the original. You said "Well who knows, since he's adding in super Predators". Clearly you thought that adding new Predators somehow meant it was possible he would ignore established rules from a film he personally worked on.
As for the script questions:
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The one floating around is old and not the shooting script.
Yet the synopsis fits perfectly with this old script.
Quote from: Master on Apr 29, 2018, 08:54:04 PM
Yet the synopsis fits perfectly with this old script.
Doesn't seem like much as changed. I wouldn't be surprised if a lot of the "overhaul" that was done was more cosmetic (like removing jokes, switching scenes around, that sort of thing).
Quote from: Jigsaw85 on Apr 29, 2018, 08:47:52 PM
The predators upgraded themselves by turning themselves into dogs? That's a downgrade if anything.
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I think the dogs are similar to the ones that we saw in Predators. Tools for hunting rather than an improvement of themselves.
Quote from: Highland on Apr 29, 2018, 03:47:31 PM
For me it kinda still does step on the lore. For hundreds of years the predators have been coming to earth to hunt man, so it's been established that this ritual is quite old.
Predator 2 is almost a perfect example of how you expand the story ( even if you didn't rate the movie). It's the same, but not the same.
Honestly I'd rather have had the female predator than the steroid predator....., But they might be cool, I'll have to take a look.
I'm with you there... I don't really mind the upgrade, but there's so much material from the established lore that could be expanded on. Aside from what's already been established, seeing a female (granted if there are any or if there's physical difference between the two) would have been neat.
First time commenting here, I may sign up but I just wanted to throw it out there. I never read the leaked script but isn't it possible, or even likely, that the gene modified predators are just a specific group that do such things? Maybe they will suggest that all predators do this and it's the entire point of their hunting, I really hope not, but isn't it possible that the classic / original hunters and lore will still be left as it was? It does feel like Predators 2010 all over again and I'm not saying it's good or bad, but I'd be much more comfortable with that than to learn the entire purpose of every predator ever is to collect and manipulate DNA.
The 2010 super predators have been mentioned in here already, this could be the film's attempt to loosely tie into them and suggest those guys were in fact some of the many genetic modified versions, not even necessarily from the same group as this film but some that practice the same thing. Again not saying it's the right move, but I wouldn't have much of an issue with this concept if our classic hunters are at least still a thing, and this could at least explain why exactly we saw such different, weird and screwed up looking Predators in 2010 (Mr Black's face is my main example).
I can understand that the goal of this movie is to appeal to a wider audience. They want a big bad enemy, something that will give the other predators a reason to team up with humans and make it more of a "vs" movie it seems. I want a classic brutal Predator film as much as anyone else but I'll remain cautiously open minded until I see it.
Lefty I agree with you , for me there are some deeply troubling signs written all over this thing, but I'll leave my ranting for after the film and give it its chance first.
I do think some directors take on franchises and try to go the other way from the original source material too much , and end up getting both sides of the balance wrong. Hopefully Shane black has the talent to not end up in that camp.
Quote from: SiL on Apr 29, 2018, 08:50:27 PM
Quote from: Highland on Apr 29, 2018, 02:45:52 PM
I didn't, I said we will have to wait and see. I think Predators was actually a decent movie, but replace the Predators with normal ones....it's the same movie. It might have actually been better.
Someone said they didn't think Black would ignore the rules of the regular Predator's since he worked on the original. You said "Well who knows, since he's adding in super Predators". Clearly you thought that adding new Predators somehow meant it was possible he would ignore established rules from a film he personally worked on.
As for the script questions:
Spoiler
The one floating around is old and not the shooting script.
We've been shown a picture with Predators with combat pants on. Then I hear about weird Predator side kicks. The stuff I'm hearing doesn't sound like it's based on the original predator back story of 1 and 2.
The synopsis even says "the end of the human race".
Spoiler
The script also touches alien invasion. Done to the death s-f thrope. Predators (not only upgrade) mutate themselves to better cope with our atmosphere. Their planet is dying due to global cooling, so, out of all planets in the universe, they are going to invade earth.
Quote from: Master on Apr 29, 2018, 08:54:04 PM
Yet the synopsis fits perfectly with this old script.
The broad strokes are clearly the same, sure.
Is this where we come to complain about the plot synopsis? I mean apparently Shane Black has a good track record but nothing about this movie sounds good.
Predators originally had a terrible idea of the Super Predators juicing themselves up or genetically modifying themselves didn't they? That was awful and it was scrapped with good reason. Going right back to that idea is just sinking the ship further and further to me. I'll reserve judgement until a trailer drops but based on what we've been given so far, excitement is not a word I am feeling.
Wouldn't it be amazing if we were all proven wrong and the film somehow was actually incredible and did somehow manage to kick ass ?
I have the feeling this film will be a good film for the masses but a terrible predator film for the core fan base. I'm praying that I'm wrong, but sadly I just know that's where we are at. :-
Quote from: ChanceVance on Apr 30, 2018, 12:01:07 PM
Is this where we come to complain about the plot synopsis? I mean apparently Shane Black has a good track record but nothing about this movie sounds good.
Predators originally had a terrible idea of the Super Predators juicing themselves up or genetically modifying themselves didn't they? That was awful and it was scrapped with good reason. Going right back to that idea is just sinking the ship further and further to me. I'll reserve judgement until a trailer drops but based on what we've been given so far, excitement is not a word I am feeling.
The synopsis is really weird , I would have just stuck to alien creature battles soldiers in suburbia.
Quote from: ELDERCLANLEADER on Apr 30, 2018, 12:10:49 PM
Wouldn't it be amazing if we were all proven wrong and the film somehow was actually incredible and did somehow manage to kick ass ?
I have the feeling this film will be a good film for the masses but a terrible predator film for the core fan base. I'm praying that I'm wrong, but sadly I just know that's where we are at. :-
Honestly the "McKenna" character is what I'm banking on. I go in focus on his story (which I think it cool) I'm hoping that piece pans out (and I think Black will make it so). I don't think this is going to be a "terrible" film by any means. It will be a better add to the franchise than where it's been. I do think that the script got "Hollywooded" pretty badly and that's the part that will keep this movie from making the dent that Pred and Pred 2 did to the lore.
This will be a fun popcorn Pred. 2010-Pred had the feel of a decent Netflix movie. So wherever that falls for folks I dunno. Lowered expectations seems to be the safe way to go.
@Original Predator I whole heartedly agree, this film will be what it is, a dumb Hollywood monster movie popcorn flick 🍿
That the masses love, and it might actually just work, but I think we will all feel slightly saddened it's been reduced to that , but that's only because we are fans and understand the character, and care. We are always going to feel protective because we all set high expectations on our galactic hunter, but to your average joe who just wants to see a fun monster flick , he won't know any different and because he is not biased he might really enjoy it , in a way some of us won't, or perhaps maybe refuse to ?
Iv already accepted that and have come to terms with it ,to save my fingers from getting burnt later on! I'll just enjoy it for what it is , and put my knowledge of predator to one side and try enjoy a "fresh" take on him. ;D
And is I was wrong to cast doubt on it , all the more reason to love it imo.
Quote from: HighlandWe've been shown a picture with Predators with combat pants on. Then I hear about weird Predator side kicks. The stuff I'm hearing doesn't sound like it's based on the original predator back story of 1 and 2.
Spoiler
The sidekicks are there...they are the 'friendly' Predators. Not only friendly they are, but they use human weapons when confronting the enemy, instead of their more advanced equipment.
They have some kind of grappling hook but that's all.
Quote from: Jigsaw85 on Apr 29, 2018, 08:47:52 PM
The predators upgraded themselves by turning themselves into dogs? That's a downgrade if anything.
Who said the pred dogs were upgrades ? Not the script anyways... They're hybrids... Hybrids aren't necessarily upgrades, they could be, but they are not in this case, just hybridized preds to serve another purpose than the regular preds.
Quote from: Highland on Apr 29, 2018, 11:12:00 PM
Quote from: SiL on Apr 29, 2018, 08:50:27 PM
Quote from: Highland on Apr 29, 2018, 02:45:52 PM
I didn't, I said we will have to wait and see. I think Predators was actually a decent movie, but replace the Predators with normal ones....it's the same movie. It might have actually been better.
Someone said they didn't think Black would ignore the rules of the regular Predator's since he worked on the original. You said "Well who knows, since he's adding in super Predators". Clearly you thought that adding new Predators somehow meant it was possible he would ignore established rules from a film he personally worked on.
As for the script questions:
Spoiler
The one floating around is old and not the shooting script.
We've been shown a picture with Predators with combat pants on. Then I hear about weird Predator side kicks. The stuff I'm hearing doesn't sound like it's based on the original predator back story of 1 and 2.
The synopsis even says "the end of the human race".
I really think those combat pants predators are meant to be seen from the waist up. Or did you remember actually seeing John Rosengrant in his Velociraptor pants for Jurassic Park? ;)
"friendly" Preds.
Yuck.
skull-splitter - No, no, no. Its dissapointing but those combat pants Predators still has a visible toe nails on their fingers, its clearly visible. I think that you dont examine that photos to the detail. If you look at them, they are Predators from top of the head to the bottom of their legs. You can clearly see that they have human made wrist gauntlets without wrist blades, and all parts of their armor are connected with humah made belts, tapes. Their armor has a visible military camouflage with a lot of metal bolts and winders. Im really the only one who see these details? Thats why Im so mad about these "pants" idea. You can even see the pockets attached on their pants, various pockets for pistol magazines etc. So? Guys what do you say about this, huh? They (friendly Predators) will be like secret agents from CIA, similar to the Hellboy movie idea. At least for me, this is a huge monumental BS, and its one of the bigger problems that I honestly have with this movie. Oh, and they will be using human weapons? Jesus Christ how can I accept this nonsense. I cant believe that someone can simply use this idea for this movie, yes. . they still could be friendly, but all these human things about them? Im crazy, I hate it, I cantunderstand why they need to show it in this nasty way. Look at that photos if you guys dont believe me, zoom it. . and you will see.
Sorry to crash the party fellas, but this movie sounds like it's gonna be worse than predators 2010. What a joke.
Quote from: Petr Švancara on Apr 30, 2018, 06:35:29 PM
Oh, and they will be using human weapons? Jesus Christ how can I accept this nonsense.
You wanna hear a good one ? The main captured pred also use human weaponry in one scene... Dual wielded machine gun precisely ! Have fun ! ;)
Quote from: Master on Apr 30, 2018, 12:19:48 AM
Spoiler
The script also touches alien invasion. Done to the death s-f thrope. Predators (not only upgrade) mutate themselves to better cope with our atmosphere. Their planet is dying due to global cooling, so, out of all planets in the universe, they are going to invade earth.
This is starting to become physically painful. The ideas of this movie thus far are giving me thunderclap migraines.
The more I read, the less I think Black and Fox knew what made the first two great.
Correct me if I'm wrong here, but I remember when the first photos of the set getting let out had a
Spoiler
Bar Fight Scene
I read the script and don't recall that in there unless I was just reading it too fast because I had to get to work, if this is the case, then everyone who is all stressed out about the plot needs to just wait to see the movie and not worry so much about the terrible synopsis or script being the actual finished product. it's mot like this movie is being directed by the same directors as AVP and AVPR or even Predators.
But if I'm Wrong, someone please point me in the right direction
Quote from: skull-splitter on Apr 30, 2018, 09:27:24 PM
The more I read, the less I think Black and Fox knew what made the first two great.
The first one was great because of a good cast of characters, great action, and great suspense. who's to say The Predator won't have any of these?
Quote from: The Wolverine Predator on Apr 30, 2018, 10:33:44 PM
Correct me if I'm wrong here, but I remember when the first photos of the set getting let out had a Spoiler
Bar Fight Scene
I read the script and don't recall that in there unless I was just reading it too fast because I had to get to work, if this is the case, then everyone who is all stressed out about the plot needs to just wait to see the movie and not worry so much about the terrible synopsis or script being the actual finished product. it's mot like this movie is being directed by the same directors as AVP and AVPR or even Predators.
But if I'm Wrong, someone please point me in the right direction
Yep, there was no bar fight in the original script. Im still not sure people understand that the script was the original draft written years ago.
Quote from: Ramjet311 on May 01, 2018, 12:06:30 AM
Quote from: The Wolverine Predator on Apr 30, 2018, 10:33:44 PM
Correct me if I'm wrong here, but I remember when the first photos of the set getting let out had a Spoiler
Bar Fight Scene
I read the script and don't recall that in there unless I was just reading it too fast because I had to get to work, if this is the case, then everyone who is all stressed out about the plot needs to just wait to see the movie and not worry so much about the terrible synopsis or script being the actual finished product. it's mot like this movie is being directed by the same directors as AVP and AVPR or even Predators.
But if I'm Wrong, someone please point me in the right direction
Yep, there was no bar fight in the original script. Im still not sure people understand that the script was the original draft written years ago.
Yeah, I don't see why so many wanna be so negative about a draft that's old and seems to have changed in some ways, I'm betting this movie is gonna be pretty damn good and Shane has been trying to keep it as quiet as possible
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Yeah iv read the script quite a few times now, i still have it if anyone wants it , i don't think it was changed that much considering the official plot. I suspect a large chunk of it in fact , does remain intact. When they say they have changed the entire third act, it's pretty obvious the old script isn't as old as people wished it would be, and that the core build of the script is still being used.
I'm down with all this weird stuff to be honest. I really want to see this series go to new places, whether they work or not. I think just doing the same story about a Predator hunting people, and then some random guy fights it and kills it is really boring and I love the idea of human teamed up Predators. It's kind of a rad, campy concept that develops the creatures in a unique way. That they are intelligent and will go after threats that affect them, including their own kind.
Plus like, a Predator riding a tank is the best kind of pulpy comic book style this series needs. I like Predators a lot, but it does tread water a bit. I like the things they added, but I want to them to go harder.
Even if it doesn't work, I'd rather someone try and evolve the series than keep it stagnant. It's a movie at the end of the day.
I'm a fan from day 1, I saw Predator in the theater the night it came out and have been hooked since. Time has gone by and I'm cool with some changes, I definitely don't wanna keep doing the same story, The Original is a classic and it's untouchable in my mind.
I wanna see some excitement, some humor, but not too overboard. I can say without a doubt I'm not worried, because it's in Shane's hands and I think they have a pretty good cast that will carry this franchise to new heights.
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Quote from: The Wolverine Predator on May 01, 2018, 01:13:06 AM
Quote from: Ramjet311 on May 01, 2018, 12:06:30 AM
Quote from: The Wolverine Predator on Apr 30, 2018, 10:33:44 PM
Correct me if I'm wrong here, but I remember when the first photos of the set getting let out had a Spoiler
Bar Fight Scene
I read the script and don't recall that in there unless I was just reading it too fast because I had to get to work, if this is the case, then everyone who is all stressed out about the plot needs to just wait to see the movie and not worry so much about the terrible synopsis or script being the actual finished product. it's mot like this movie is being directed by the same directors as AVP and AVPR or even Predators.
But if I'm Wrong, someone please point me in the right direction
Yep, there was no bar fight in the original script. Im still not sure people understand that the script was the original draft written years ago.
Yeah, I don't see why so many wanna be so negative about a draft that's old and seems to have changed in some ways, I'm betting this movie is gonna be pretty damn good and Shane has been trying to keep it as quiet as possible
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100% Agree!!
Quote from: CelticP on May 01, 2018, 01:16:01 AM
I'm down with all this weird stuff to be honest. I really want to see this series go to new places, whether they work or not. I think just doing the same story about a Predator hunting people, and then some random guy fights it and kills it is really boring and I love the idea of human teamed up Predators. It's kind of a rad, campy concept that develops the creatures in a unique way. That they are intelligent and will go after threats that affect them, including their own kind.
Plus like, a Predator riding a tank is the best kind of pulpy comic book style this series needs. I like Predators a lot, but it does tread water a bit. I like the things they added, but I want to them to go harder.
Even if it doesn't work, I'd rather someone try and evolve the series than keep it stagnant. It's a movie at the end of the day.
I've been saying this forever. we don't need another movie about another clueless group of humans running around being hunted. It's time to take risks.
The thing is we are not being completely negative, we are being completely fair and rational, and most of us have already said we will give the film it's fair shot regardless of expectations, but the fact of the matter is you don't have to deliberately mess up the original lore and contradict it , just to appear fresh and appeal to a new audience.
You can still pay homage to the originals without being cliched, yet have a fresh take on things.
There was plenty the original two films established and set up that could be built and expanded on. That isn't the case with The Predator. It's choosing to do its own thing.
Personally for me , I don't like how the classic predators are being down graded and how they would suddenly work with its prey because it is now being hunted itself , the predator I have always known would blow itself up long before people had the chance to capture it or when facing defeat. P1 and P2 both showed this self destructive attitude when they were cornered. The Predator isn't consistent with that , and this is just one of many hick ups and gripes that I see going on , that's why I'm worried.and I think it's legit to have lowered expectations at this point.
You can do team ups and friendly predators without dressing them up in army gear. There's story changes then there's going too far with it. We will have to see how it pans out.
I don't mind the team up angle if the Predator is still the bad guy, but he's choosing the lesser of the two evils. If we get scenes with predators getting butt slaps and high fives to Metallica sandman though....
Quote from: Highland on May 01, 2018, 03:38:39 AM
You can do team ups and friendly predators without dressing them up in army gear. There's story changes then there's going too far with it. We will have to see how it pans out.
I don't mind the team up angle if the Predator is still the bad guy, but he's choosing the lesser of the two evils. If we get scenes with predators getting butt slaps and high fives to Metallica sandman though....
What about "babe I'm gonna leave you" by Zeppelin? Some butt slaps might just work perfectly with the timing of that tune.
Quote from: Jigsaw85 on May 01, 2018, 02:06:22 AM
Quote from: CelticP on May 01, 2018, 01:16:01 AM
I'm down with all this weird stuff to be honest. I really want to see this series go to new places, whether they work or not. I think just doing the same story about a Predator hunting people, and then some random guy fights it and kills it is really boring and I love the idea of human teamed up Predators. It's kind of a rad, campy concept that develops the creatures in a unique way. That they are intelligent and will go after threats that affect them, including their own kind.
Plus like, a Predator riding a tank is the best kind of pulpy comic book style this series needs. I like Predators a lot, but it does tread water a bit. I like the things they added, but I want to them to go harder.
Even if it doesn't work, I'd rather someone try and evolve the series than keep it stagnant. It's a movie at the end of the day.
I've been saying this forever. we don't need another movie about another clueless group of humans running around being hunted. It's time to take risks.
That's why all comics where about this very concept and most of them successfully told a proper story.
They didn't have to resort to extremes, tamper with the basics. And may be it's me, but bigger isn't always better. Sometimes it's best to have a more intimate setting.
I once toyed with writing a script that focussed on the usual cloak and dagger stuff and humans slowly realising what they are encountering, following increasingly intimate traces, starting with butchered bodies, slowly getting closer to the main predator himself. It was more of a detective story with thriller elements than a big scale film.
I even think (toyed with it in small scale concept years ago and I lost the notes) I had a character McKenna in there, which is a lot of coincidence.
I only wanted focus on the Predator and his background as a character, not just as a monster. No AvP aztek references, no AvP comic book influences, no home planet, just a detailed creature with slightly more background than we had in the first two films.
Point being while I am open for improvement and change, the fundation of the character needs to be the same. This script sounds like it's not, and the trailer description seems like there hasn't changed too much.
Skull splitter I hear you bro , they are called predators for a reason because they hunt for sport. The film title was also a play on words as Dutch was the ultimate predator in the end. I agree with you that certain qualities of the predator should be universal and kept intact because it's at its most basic , it's character development and what we know a predator is. They come here to hunt us , what are we going to do about it ? You can't play about with their mythology too much , because it takes something away from them imo, as The Predator will prove. This humanisation of predator will end up hurting the franchise because it's not necessary, they were supposed to mimic human language not actually speak it , the predators are cool without us , they have their own customs and lore that could of been expanded on. And like I said before where's the self destruct been defeated lore? Since when would a predator allow itself to be captured ? We will have to see but none of it looks good skill splitter.
I would be slightly more confident if it weren't for The Mandirin, when Black pulled a Ryan Johnson years before.
So either we are getting trolled ( which is difficult to say without footage), or we can be prepared for the most mind bending story beats since Batman and Robin.
Quote from: The Wolverine PredatorYeah, I don't see why so many wanna be so negative about a draft that's old and seems to have changed in some ways, I'm betting this movie is gonna be pretty damn good and Shane has been trying to keep it as quiet as possible.
Becasue you can be quite sure that this 'old' draft will be the base of the film. It might be changed here and there a bit but the core elements (young boy, genetical modification, the characters, etc.) remained. And that's exactly what is (are) bad about the draft: the core elements.
Anyway, for example the locations are quite good I think.
Quote from: skull-splitterThis script sounds like it's not, and the trailer description seems like there hasn't changed too much.
Yeah, exactly. The trailer description matches the leaked script.
Quote from: ELDERCLANLEADERSince when would a predator allow itself to be captured?
I think there's nothing wrong about it. Why couldn't it be a Predator captured? They tried it already in P2.
I like the idea but the way
Spoiler
this captured Predator is handled in the followings (i.e. using human weapons instead of his own) is bullshit. Not to mention the other 2 friendly Predators.
Xerxesz my main gripe with captured predators is they would self destruct long before there was a chance to. P1 and P2 both shown this, when the alien is either cornered or defeated it chooses to self destruct to prevent its attackers from ever getting the chance.
Quote from: ELDERCLANLEADERXerxesz my main gripe with captured predators is they would self destruct long before there was a chance to. P1 and P2 both shown this, when the alien is either cornered or defeated it chooses to self destruct to prevent its attackers from ever getting the chance.
I meant the P2 slaughterhouse scene where Peter Keyes planned to stun/freeze the Predator.
If the Predator has the chance to launch the self-destruction mechanism, then he does, yes. But what if the Predator has no chance to start the process? If he is stunned before it...
See comic book "captive".
Yeah I mean it's plausible sure , but it seems a little degrading imo. It really takes away what was so badass about them in the first place. And as for predators in human clothes , and using human weaponry that's just a whole other ball game altogether for me.
Quote from: skull-splitter on May 01, 2018, 10:35:19 AM
Quote from: Jigsaw85 on May 01, 2018, 02:06:22 AM
Quote from: CelticP on May 01, 2018, 01:16:01 AM
I'm down with all this weird stuff to be honest. I really want to see this series go to new places, whether they work or not. I think just doing the same story about a Predator hunting people, and then some random guy fights it and kills it is really boring and I love the idea of human teamed up Predators. It's kind of a rad, campy concept that develops the creatures in a unique way. That they are intelligent and will go after threats that affect them, including their own kind.
Plus like, a Predator riding a tank is the best kind of pulpy comic book style this series needs. I like Predators a lot, but it does tread water a bit. I like the things they added, but I want to them to go harder.
Even if it doesn't work, I'd rather someone try and evolve the series than keep it stagnant. It's a movie at the end of the day.
I've been saying this forever. we don't need another movie about another clueless group of humans running around being hunted. It's time to take risks.
That's why all comics where about this very concept and most of them successfully told a proper story.
They didn't have to resort to extremes, tamper with the basics. And may be it's me, but bigger isn't always better. Sometimes it's best to have a more intimate setting.
I once toyed with writing a script that focussed on the usual cloak and dagger stuff and humans slowly realising what they are encountering, following increasingly intimate traces, starting with butchered bodies, slowly getting closer to the main predator himself. It was more of a detective story with thriller elements than a big scale film.
I even think (toyed with it in small scale concept years ago and I lost the notes) I had a character McKenna in there, which is a lot of coincidence.
I only wanted focus on the Predator and his background as a character, not just as a monster. No AvP aztek references, no AvP comic book influences, no home planet, just a detailed creature with slightly more background than we had in the first two films.
Point being while I am open for improvement and change, the fundation of the character needs to be the same. This script sounds like it's not, and the trailer description seems like there hasn't changed too much.
Weird cuz this was Black's original plan for the movie.
Shane???? Is that you????
Quote from: ELDERCLANLEADER on May 01, 2018, 03:43:50 PM
Yeah I mean it's plausible sure , but it seems a little degrading imo. It really takes away what was so badass about them in the first place. And as for predators in human clothes , and using human weaponry that's just a whole other ball game altogether for me.
Honestly the "idea" of allied preds....is just bad.
Just taking that element out would make these movies better. Even AVP. "working" with Alexa was tacky during it's best moments. Having the Pred "use" her as bait or a "tool", or in a way that he's manipulating/pulling strings without her knowledge as a way to defeat the queen. Would have been way cooler and plausible.
Sort of like a hunter sending a rabbit into a field to draw out the Wolf.....
We've got to scrap this concept.
Love the captured Pred concept tho that you could take a lot of places.
Original Predator , I agree a captured predator I could live with , but predators teaming up with humans is not my cup of tea , not one bit. It's dumb , it's stupid and it's just not something I can get onboard with. I will leave the cinema early if it has not been toned down, because it's just complete nonsense imo. "A bad idea" is putting it lightly
;D
Quote from: ELDERCLANLEADER on May 01, 2018, 04:10:49 PM
Original Predator , I agree a captured predator I could live with , but predators teaming up with humans is not my cup of tea , not one bit. It's dumb , it's stupid and it's just not something I can get onboard with. I will leave the cinema early if it has not been toned down, because it's just complete nonsense imo. "A bad idea" is putting it lightly
;D
Don't forget that the predator let himself get captured in the script, it's specifically stated, he has an ulterior motive, so the self destruct option wasn't right for him...
Yeah we will have to see how this all ends up BigDaddyJohn but it's hardly the most exciting script in the world, and usually when a script is bad , so is the film. But there are exceptions to the rule , and it's the only reason I'm holding out for the movie.
I have to give it at least a chance before I slate it. Because I could just be wrong , it's unlikely but it could be a kick ass film and I have to try and allow it to be.
But in the four years it's been in production , nothing has come out that has been exciting for me, it's just been one headache after another , whether it's the dodgy script , the late trailer , the constant push backs , the secrecy around the film. Fox have hardly sold us this film , I wouldn't be surprised if most people didn't even know it's out in September, my uncle loves predator and even he wasn't aware of the film until I told him last month. The marketing front for this film has been practically none existent.
It's May. The film is out in the 4 months and there is still no trailer or marketing of any kind. I want this movie to be good but the push backs and secrecy suggest otherwise.
I could see the concept of Predators and human team-ups working, but only if they contrasted it with the main Predator being a lone wolf and show it as being out of the norm. Then have the lone wolf hunting the team-up Preds because they are infidels breaking the laws of the hunt.
I'll be ready to eat my words. Just don't expect it to surpass P2
Quote from: BigDaddyJohnDon't forget that the predator let himself get captured in the script, it's specifically stated, he has an ulterior motive, so the self destruct option wasn't right for him...
I can't remember it was written that he LET himself get captured.
Spoiler
The Predator is unconcious due to the crash when McKenna finds him and he steals his mask and gauntlet as a proof of the encounter.
So, the Predator is left behind without his most valuable devices (no mask --> no laser target --> cannot use the pasmacaster precisely, no gauntlet --> cannot use the self-destruction mechanism), and he tries to get them back (off-screen).
So, he doesn't let himself get captured, but of course without his valuable devices it's easier for the humans to take him down (captre him).
Quote from: Xerxész on May 01, 2018, 06:49:46 PM
Quote from: BigDaddyJohnDon't forget that the predator let himself get captured in the script, it's specifically stated, he has an ulterior motive, so the self destruct option wasn't right for him...
I can't remember it was written that he LET himself get captured.
Spoiler
The Predator is unconcious due to the crash when McKenna finds him and he steals his mask and gauntlet as a proof of the encounter.
So, the Predator is left behind without his most valuable devices (no mask --> no laser target --> cannot use the pasmacaster precisely, no gauntlet --> cannot use the self-destruction mechanism), and he tries to get them back (off-screen).
So, he doesn't let himself get captured, but of course without his valuable devices it's easier for the humans to take him down (captre him).
Spoiler
From the script :
"TRAEGER
They're gnarly f**kers, that's all.
Took four of my best just to bring
that one down.
She blinks. Stares at him:
CASEY
I'm sorry. It took four--?
TRAEGER
That's right. So?
CASEY
So -- a meth head can take down
four men.
(re: Predator)
Look at it!
Traeger looks uneasy.
COLWELL
What's your point, doctor?
CASEY
My point is you brought it here. To
a location where you just happen to
store its weapons --
(beat)
How do you know it didn't WANT TO
BE CAPTURED?"
Later on :
"At which point, without warning --
THE PREDATOR'S EYES SNAP OPEN. Just like that.
Alert. Calm. Calculating. We realize: it was playing possum."
Quote from: BigDaddyJohnSpoiler
From the script :
"TRAEGER
They're gnarly f**kers, that's all.
Took four of my best just to bring
that one down.
She blinks. Stares at him:
CASEY
I'm sorry. It took four--?
TRAEGER
That's right. So?
CASEY
So -- a meth head can take down
four men.
(re: Predator)
Look at it!
Traeger looks uneasy.
COLWELL
What's your point, doctor?
CASEY
My point is you brought it here. To
a location where you just happen to
store its weapons --
(beat)
How do you know it didn't WANT TO
BE CAPTURED?"
Later on :
"At which point, without warning --
THE PREDATOR'S EYES SNAP OPEN. Just like that.
Alert. Calm. Calculating. We realize: it was playing possum."
OK, that's indisputable.
I forgot that sequence from the script. Thanks for updating. :)
Quote from: Mr. Xenomorph on May 01, 2018, 05:59:06 PM
I could see the concept of Predators and human team-ups working
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Yeah... I really would never wanna see that ever again.
Quote from: cheachea on May 01, 2018, 10:10:53 PM
Quote from: Mr. Xenomorph on May 01, 2018, 05:59:06 PM
I could see the concept of Predators and human team-ups working
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we already saw what happend with a predator and human team up ( scar and lex in avp ) PUKES!!!
You can have them team up in a way that's not a team up. The predator and humans could work it out through both dialogue and scenes that they are fighting a common enemy. They could potentially never meet, yet still work as a sort of team. It's all in the execution.
That doesn't appear to be what's happening here though.
We've had two movies already where a Predator teams up with a human, it's time to stop pretending that the predators wouldn't do that or that they're too badass to need help. The odds were against scar in AVP, the odds are against the Predators in The Predator, it's as simple as that. Make peace with it before September.
Why make peace when one can dwell on what we have known for several months 😜
I think it's quite funny how people are using avp and predators as an example of predators teaming up with humans, as if it's a good thing , let me get something straight here avp is the worst example in the world to bring up and did a lot of damage to the predator franchise , and predators is not far behind either. And while some people might poke fun at people discussing the film and their worries , I think it's slightly ironic that the majority of the fan base are not taking to the premise of this film and are nervous, look around on the net , be it Reddit , YouTube or avpgalaxy , people are not happy with where things are going , are we all wrong ? I doubt it. To anyone who enjoys the film and wants to hype it good for you. But i would say you are more in the minority than the majority at this point. Most of us think this will be a disaster, and if we are wrong , we will admit that in due course. But as it stands there isn't a single piece of good news that has come out about it , that we have been able to get behind, it's been let down after let down and I think the film will be exactly that ... A let down.
The signs are everywhere , it's out at the beginning of September for Christ sake and it still doesn't have a public trailer , isn't that telling you something ?
I thought the Predators example was pretty spot on. He needs to be untied, Royce wants off the planet, the Predator grabs him to say "yeah ok, but we ain't friends" .
That was excuted quite well I thought.
Predators have been chill with humans since Predator 2. It's not like this concept just came from AvP.
(Being impressed by is still being quite chill compared to the alternative).
Quote from: ELDERCLANLEADER on May 02, 2018, 01:18:05 AM
I think it's quite funny how people are using avp and predators as an example of predators teaming up with humans, as if it's a good thing , let me get something straight here avp is the worst example in the world to bring up and did a lot of damage to the predator franchise , and predators is not far behind either. And while some people might poke fun at people discussing the film and their worries , I think it's slightly ironic that the majority of the fan base are not taking to the premise of this film and are nervous, look around on the net , be it Reddit , YouTube or avpgalaxy , people are not happy with where things are going , are we all wrong ? I doubt it. To anyone who enjoys the film and wants to hype it good for you. But i would say you are more in the minority than the majority at this point. Most of us think this will be a disaster, and if we are wrong , we will admit that in due course. But as it stands there isn't a single piece of good news that has come out about it , that we have been able to get behind, it's been let down after let down and I think the film will be exactly that ... A let down.
The signs are everywhere , it's out at the beginning of September for Christ sake and it still doesn't have a public trailer , isn't that telling you something ?
It doesn't matter if it's a good thing or a bad thing, it's simply a thing that exists at this point. Predators have teamed up with humans before and they will again. I didn't like the fact that the Terminator got turned into a kids' play thing that cracks jokes but I accepted it. I didn't like the fact that the Alien went from a bio-mechanical perfect organism to an expendable space ant, but I had choke that down and this will be no different.
If you want to make a good film it does matter if it's a good thing or not actually, the concept failed in avp, predators was plausible and executed rather well sure I'll give you that , I'm not entirely against the concept by the way , as the comics have pulled it of for years , but film making is a different ball game to comics , things that shouldn't work can work in comics , that's what makes them so special , but on screen something that worked on paper can come across as corny. Of course execution is the most important thing , but the way I see it , the fan backlash over this movie is justified , fox haven't given us anything to get behind and have faith in , it's all secrecy , they either know this is a bad film or they are taking us for granted , it's been nothing but bad news after bad news , the marketing is one of the worst iv seen in years , the lore has clearly been reworked and changed , is there any wonder why a lot of us are a little disgruntled ?
Quote from: ELDERCLANLEADER on May 02, 2018, 02:21:42 AM
the marketing is one of the worst iv seen in years
What Marketing? ;)
The thing is if the majority of us love the film it still does very poorly at the box office. If the minority of us like it and people who are not fans get on board then that can only be a good thing. Let's face it the majority, which is us, are not going to break the box office even if we see it 1000 times each. It's business people. I hate seeing the predator used like this but we just have to see where it goes
Predators in pants = It depends on execution, huh? No offense, but this argument is just horrible. When you dont like some sort of food, you just dont eat it, and nothing will ever change that, even if you execute that type of food in a totally different way. . its still something you dont like, and thats the reason why you dont eat it. It contain the ingredient you dont like, there is no reason for you to forget that, and try to eat it even if its smell is different. This is not only about damn pants, its about everything. I think that they changed way too much, and no. . Im not saying that the Predator should be always about a bunch of humans killed one by one till the end.
I believe that Fox dont have that much trust with Shane Black, not that he is bad Director or something, but because he made a lot of over the top ideas with "his" Predator film. I think that they know we are angry about it, and they have even fear to start with the whole movie "propaganda". How can they want some profit from this film when they still dont announce that yet? The sooner the trailer will be available for the public the better it will be. With this treatment, there wont be much people in the Cinema, and most of the fans will be hardly dissapointed.
Quote from: ELDERCLANLEADER on May 01, 2018, 01:15:44 AM
Yeah iv read the script quite a few times now, i still have it if anyone wants it
Hi mate, would be massively interested in this, if you still have it?
@ huggs Ikr lmao! 😂
@ petr personally I agree , too much has been changed regarding the creatures themselves , I think it's fairly obvious that the secrecy around the film is not a good sign, and that fox are at this point trying to minimise lost profit , by not spending on marketing, because they are not confident.
If they were confident, we would have a trailer by now and marketing would be in full swing. I mean all the signs are there that this thing is a mess, the Cinemacon trailer was a mixed bag, with some saying it looked alright and others saying they felt underwhelmed, sounds just like the screening reactions to me , a trailer needs to be positively upheld for a film to be successful, that's the climate we are now in , it's the films selling point and as a buisness you need to be able to confidently compete with other films , I'm not seeing that with all the push backs etc , look at avengers infinity wars trailer , the most successful trailer in the history of cinema , so far all the public actually have on The Predator is a official teaser poster and that's it , and when the film is out in early September and it's now may , honestly it really isn't good enough, and when the film fails at box office fox only have themselves to blame imo.
Comparing the fourth entry in a mixed bag of a franchise to the trailer of a unanimously succesfull franchise building up hype over a period of ten years like clockwork is hardly fair.
Skull splitter yeah I suppose you are right , but what I'm highlighting is the importance of trailers in today's modern age. You have to be able to compete , it's basic capitalism at the end of the day. But maybe infinity war wasn't the best example. A better example in that case for a trailer and marketing would be sicario 2.
Quote from: Thedutchpredator on May 02, 2018, 06:34:52 AM
The thing is if the majority of us love the film it still does very poorly at the box office. If the minority of us like it and people who are not fans get on board then that can only be a good thing. Let's face it the majority, which is us, are not going to break the box office even if we see it 1000 times each. It's business people. I hate seeing the predator used like this but we just have to see where it goes
It could suffer the same fate as Dredd, because let's face it the marketing so far has been horrendous, not even a teaser trailer released worldwide and it's only a couple of months away. I have a bad feeling about this movie, I hate everything I've heard about it so far, hopefully I'm wrong, but without a proper marketing campaign only the fans are going to rush out to see the movie
The legitimate negativity is huge and everywhere, Fox screwed up epically and they know it, but no reshoot or anything will ever change the outcomes, a huge flop.
Quote from: LastSonofKrypton on May 02, 2018, 01:22:21 PM
It could suffer the same fate as Dredd, because let's face it the marketing so far has been horrendous, not even a teaser trailer released worldwide and it's only a couple of months away. I have a bad feeling about this movie, I hate everything I've heard about it so far, hopefully I'm wrong, but without a proper marketing campaign only the fans are going to rush out to see the movie
Well it's more than a couple months away. The Meg comes out more than a month before it and it got its trailer about a month ago, right?
Yet Venom comes out a month after it , and has already had a sneak peak trailer and a full trailer. So what gives Hollywood ?
Quote from: ELDERCLANLEADER on May 02, 2018, 01:18:05 AM, and if we are wrong , we will admit that in due course.
Man, I Hope that's the case. I mean, I Genuinely
Genuinely Hope that we are Pleasantly Surprised and happy with the results.
I want it to be like how it was when we first watched Predator or heck even just P2 and how Awesome we thought it was back in the day.
I Will Be The First Person To Eat Crow and Admit That I Was Wrong If The Movie Is Awesome.
That's A Promise.
Pred Bro's and Broettes, it's gonna be a fun movie. At this point. I'm okay with that. P1 and P2, isn't how you do movies nowadays. As "Huggs" pointed out. Folks want the big shabang. Look at the movies in theatre's. Black will delivery that, have some laughs, we'll have some fun.
Once you let go of the past, you can embrace the future. Trust me, I've been waiting (and will still wait) for King Dutch to go on one last hunt. But till then. I gotta look back and think about what all started this and am just happy that after all these dang years....there is enough love to try to keep this thing going. That's pretty cool.
ELDERCLANLEADER - I hear you buddy. They filmed the entire movie back in the 2017, now we have year 2018 (almost half of this year is nearly gone) and they still dont show anything serious for the public as a whole. Dont tell me that they dont have any material at least for the damn short teaser a two months ago! Who cares even if they reworked the last third act. . they should still use something from the untouched first half of the movie at least for the small teaser. Jesus Christ, they could use the sequences just with the actors alone if they still dont have the CGI finished. But they are instead of it holding everything under the carpet, how can they expect that there would be thousands of people interested into this when they are acting like there is no movie on its way. This is the right behaviour for building up the so called "hype" ? I dont think so. I live in Czech Republic, Europe and tons of my friends still dont know that there is new upcoming Predator film just because of this. This isnt good, this is bad, very bad. The secrecy around this film is one thing, but the lack of any marketing is another thing. There are many people that dont agree with me on this, but I think its too late to show a trailer at this moment, they do absolutely nothing for promoting this film. You cant rush all the promotional material on the last moment, you either have it or dont have it, and in this case it seems that they dont try that hard as they could, and once again. . they should use the clips, sequences just with the actors if not with the Predators at least for the "microscopic" teaser, is that a problem? It will help that movie. Fact is that everywhere, honestly everywhere you look you see a bad response on this. All the people hated that leaked script, that is one problem, but the rest? The rest is about all the things that are way to shocking! And in my personal opinion, its already very bad just because the director itself is not capable to made his movie by his expectations on his first attempt. Like oops! "I need to reshoot the entire third act" okey, so a lot of already filmed material going straight to the trash can, and what about all that used money? This is epic disaster, dont tell my that reshoots are normal when its always about money that were lost in that process. And yet, there are some people (I dont want to use their red names here) telling me that Im complaining, can you believe that? And now ask yourself a question, why the studio accepted all this over the top ideas in this movie? Fox must have a bunch of really bad politics behind them, because clearly someone here made a big mistake.
Quote from: the spirit world on May 02, 2018, 01:59:57 PM
The legitimate negativity is huge and everywhere, Fox screwed up epically and they know it, but no reshoot or anything will ever change the outcomes, a huge flop.
I thought reactions to the trailer were positive at cinemacon?
Quote from: Hollywood on May 02, 2018, 06:03:15 PM
Quote from: the spirit world on May 02, 2018, 01:59:57 PM
The legitimate negativity is huge and everywhere, Fox screwed up epically and they know it, but no reshoot or anything will ever change the outcomes, a huge flop.
I thought reactions to the trailer were positive at cinemacon?
They were, as far as I could see. Only a couple negative or lukewarm responses.
The majority of the negativity after the trailer was released, came from the fan community. Forums and the like.
Most of that due to an old draft of the script. Not the trailer itself.
As you can see from this very article Hollywood the reaction was largely mixed that does not mean positive. Some liked it , some didn't. It's as simple as that. And considering this trailer is trying to sell the film that's not a good sign in my book. Also you keep highlighting the meg, the meg isn't on the same league as predator , predator is super famous world wide.
Shane black billed this as an event film, yet it doesn't fill me with any excitement, and considering this is my all time favourite character, that's really not good. Even predators had me excited, also you mentioned the meg trailer, yet venom is out a month later than the predator, and has already received two trailers. They are holding back because they are afraid of the backlash , better to hold of from the marketing , save some cash and release the film and hope for the best. And that's exactly what they are doing.
Quote from this very article " The reaction on Twitter has been decisively mixed. "
Quote from: ELDERCLANLEADER on May 02, 2018, 06:33:13 PM
As you can see from this very article Hollywood the reaction was largely mixed that does not mean positive.
I go straight to the forum, not the front page news article. Comments are accessible from both.
QuoteSome liked it , some didn't. It's as simple as that. And considering this trailer is trying to sell the film that's not a good sign in my book.
Makes sense 👌
QuoteAlso you keep highlighting the meg, the meg isn't on the same league as predator , predator is super famous world wide.
I'm not comparing the franchise popularity themselves, just the marketing timing. Still, what percentage of the world has no interest in giant killer shark movies, you think?
QuoteShane black billed this as an event film, yet it doesn't fill me with any excitement, and considering this is my all time favourite character, that's really not good.
Hopefully that changes when you see Deadpool 2.
QuoteEven predators had me excited, also you mentioned the meg trailer, yet venom is out a month later than the predator, and has already received two trailers.
Venom has more opportunities to corral its audience and showcase to them - first trailer was rushed out with Black Panther (Marvel audience) and was weak. Second trailer was leaked and not a part of the marketing strategy. Now they have to come up with a 3rd trailer with so much time between the 2nd trailer and the film. There's a risk audiences will forget the movie exists by release date or they realize the last shot of the trailer is the best part of the movie when putting 3 trailers together. Based on trailer footage, Venom is shaping up to be the next Fant4stic and that's not good. I hope they polish up the cgi and bad dialogue and also hope the majority of the film is not just Tom Hardy running around with black tentacles coming thru his clothes.
QuoteThey are holding back because they are afraid of the backlash , better to hold of from the marketing , save some cash and release the film and hope for the best. And that's exactly what they are doing.
Or, like Shane tweeted, they're finishing the FX work and the delayed release resulted in holding off on marketing. If they were afraid they won't release it with DP2, where many many eyes will see it. We shall see how that unfolds.
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Quote from this very article " The reaction on Twitter has been decisively mixed. "
Again, I click straight to the forum and browsed thru Twitter myself. Still think the majority is positive while other reactions are hardly berating the trailer. Same can be said about a lot of big movies' trailers this year. Overall, I'm still not worried based on the reactions, if anything I'm glad words like "bloody" and "badass" are being thrown around to describe it on Twitter.
Gotta admit Hollywood , we might not always see eye to eye my friend, but you make some strong solid points there I haven't really thought about , perhaps there will be light at the end of the tunnel after all. ;D
Marketing obviously costs money. Also the tag line is "you'll never see him coming"....
I think the Predator is an ideal character for a trailer that's just made up of a bunch of scenes with worried looking people and a clicking sound. I'm surprised they didn't just throw that together.
Quote from: Highland on May 03, 2018, 01:42:12 AM
Marketing obviously costs money. Also the tag line is "you'll never see him coming"....
I think the Predator is an ideal character for a trailer that's just made up of a bunch of scenes with worried looking people and a clicking sound. I'm surprised they didn't just throw that together.
Maybe as a teaser trailer months ago. The movie is out in 4 months. The trailer needs to be full of money shots and cool looking stuff if they want people to see the movie.
Quote from: goose_3387 on May 03, 2018, 08:01:45 AM
Quote from: Highland on May 03, 2018, 01:42:12 AM
Marketing obviously costs money. Also the tag line is "you'll never see him coming"....
I think the Predator is an ideal character for a trailer that's just made up of a bunch of scenes with worried looking people and a clicking sound. I'm surprised they didn't just throw that together.
Maybe as a teaser trailer months ago. The movie is out in 4 months. The trailer needs to be full of money shots and cool looking stuff if they want people to see the movie.
I rather have some close ups of the creature than full reveils.
Anyway, we can hope but it's like Schrödingers cat at this point: it could be great, it could be total shite.
Quote from: skull-splitter on May 03, 2018, 08:35:53 AM
Quote from: goose_3387 on May 03, 2018, 08:01:45 AM
Quote from: Highland on May 03, 2018, 01:42:12 AM
Marketing obviously costs money. Also the tag line is "you'll never see him coming"....
I think the Predator is an ideal character for a trailer that's just made up of a bunch of scenes with worried looking people and a clicking sound. I'm surprised they didn't just throw that together.
Maybe as a teaser trailer months ago. The movie is out in 4 months. The trailer needs to be full of money shots and cool looking stuff if they want people to see the movie.
I rather have some close ups of the creature than full reveils.
Anyway, we can hope but it's like Schrödingers cat at this point: it could be great, it could be total shite.
Schrödingers Yautja
:'(
Quote from: skull-splitterI rather have some close ups of the creature than full reveils.
You can be sure that the big boss (the Hybrid) won't be revealed until the film comes out.
The Predator(s) everybody mentions from the screening
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and being in the trailer is(are) the regular Predator(s). Maybe the one which is captured (I vote for this) or maybe the 2 other friendly Predators).
Quote from: Xerxész on May 03, 2018, 09:38:26 AM
Quote from: skull-splitterI rather have some close ups of the creature than full reveils.
You can be sure that the big boss (the Hybrid) won't be revealed until the film comes out.
The Predator(s) everybody mentions from the screening Spoiler
and being in the trailer is(are) the regular Predator(s). Maybe the one which is captured (I vote for this) or maybe the 2 other friendly Predators).
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I actually wonder if the 2 friendly Predators will remain in the movie considering the backlash, and the fact the 3rd act was rewritten?
Quote from: Ramjet311Spoiler
I actually wonder if the 2 friendly Predators will remain in the movie considering the backlash, and the fact the 3rd act was rewritten?
Spoiler
Remember the shooting photo with the APC and the 2 Predators on it.
They are in, I have no doubts.
And that scene matches quite exactly as written in the leaked script. That is the scene where those 2 Predators use human weapons against the hybrids.
Xerxész - Did the script itself somehow explain why exactly they use human weapons or why they wear human clothes? Any reason for it?
Quote from: Petr Švancara on May 03, 2018, 03:38:18 PM
Xerxész - Did the script itself somehow explain why exactly they use human weapons or why they wear human clothes? Any reason for it?
No reason, no further explanation about why this happens.
I think Shane considered this a cool idea...but it's not. As are many other ideas in this script. :(
Without context it's even worse.
Xerxész - Thank you for your answer, Im glad you write. This is really ugly, I was thinking that they lost their weapons and stuff, and that our "friendly" military give them our own guns and clothes or something (even this sounds beyond bad) but now it seems that they are acting like it was their own choice. I can accept Predator shooting from human weapons only if that will be the rogue Predator that doesnt look on honor, you know the bad Predator that do whatever he wants, but this is BS. Do you remember that moment from P2, in slaughterhouse when the Predator destroyed Harrigan's shotgun? Damn, that was cool. I think that Shane Black wants to kill me. . me, or the entire Franchise. :'(
I think that most of these shocking ideas are from Fred Dekker's head. Honestly, this is my only explanation. Robocop 3 is a nice example of how bad writer the Dekker really is, everytime when I hear his name I have bad taste in my mouth. Dear God.
I only really watched Monster Squad. And besides 80's cheesiness, there was little that I actually liked about it. Robocop 3 I only have vague impressions of.
skull-splitter - Well, first Robocop is masterpiece, I love it, Robocop 2 is okey, but not so good as original and Robocop 3 is absolute disaster, its a trash thanks to Dekker and all his silly ideas, he ruined it totally. I dont understand why Shane choose him as a film partner. I never watched Monster Squad, but I dont feel its a "must see" movie, maybe that I will give that a chance, if its the only good thing that Dekker ever made. Sorry, I just dont trust this guy.
Fred Dekker was director of Robocop 3, this is what he said about his movie. Its available on the Wikipedia. // In retrospect, the director, Fred Dekker said: "There's a misconception about this movie that the studio steamrolled me into doing something I wasn't comfortable with. The truth is, anything wrong with it is entirely my fault. I had a great cast, a great crew, the support of my producers and the studio, and some of the greatest special effects wizards of all time. I think it really comes down to the script. It was a story by the brilliant Frank Miller, who wrote the first draft—but in the final analysis, it was the wrong story and the wrong script for what an audience wanted from that character. The PG-13 rating didn't help, since the character's first two outings were extremely violent and satirical, and that's really the arena that character belongs in—not a 'family' movie."[15] He also said: "Nonetheless, RoboCop 3 was the most enjoyable movie-making experience I've had and, for me, the most accomplished work I've done as a director. In other words, if the movie blows, there's nobody to blame but me."
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There's nothing wrong with a bit of 80s cheese, IMO. Look at Stranger Things; captured the 80s vibe/nostalgia perfectly.
The problem with Dekker's script is that it's like it was written in the 80s and then just updated with tech references and/or planes and choppers names/models. The whole idea is staid. It's like they've gone:
"Hmmm... What do we think is wrong with the World and how can we push that into a film about an extra-terrestrial who hunts humans for sport? I KNOW! Climate change - BOOM! GM Stuff - BOOM! Dick jokes - BOOM! Oh and, while we're at it, let's f**k with what made the first film a classic - BOOOOOOOOOOM!"
Imagine that concept but in 1989 - and that's how the script feels.
Yeah I mean this is the same Fred Dekker that played down the original predator film and said he didn't like it as it was too simple. ( or something on those lines ) so if he didn't like the original what the hell are fox doing leaving him in charge of doing the script ? Is there any wonder why we are not liking where this is all going ? If he didn't like the original, how can he appreciate and understand the character he is now writing about ? It's absurd ???
Quote from: Petr Švancara on May 03, 2018, 07:53:54 PM
Xerxész - Thank you for your answer, Im glad you write. This is really ugly, I was thinking that they lost their weapons and stuff, and that our "friendly" military give them our own guns and clothes or something (even this sounds beyond bad) but now it seems that they are acting like it was their own choice. I can accept Predator shooting from human weapons only if that will be the rogue Predator that doesnt look on honor, you know the bad Predator that do whatever he wants, but this is BS. Do you remember that moment from P2, in slaughterhouse when the Predator destroyed Harrigan's shotgun? Damn, that was cool. I think that Shane Black wants to kill me. . me, or the entire Franchise. :'(
You are welcome, man! :)
I've read the relevant part of the script again, and really no reason why using human equipment.
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At least they also have their plasmacasters:
"THE TWO PREDATORS
Each armed with an M60 machine gun in one hand, a plasma-caster in the other. Ready to fight alongside our heroes."
I really hope that at least the most retarding parts of the script is rewritten, but I'm afraid it's not. We'll see.
Actually there are some minor changes already we know from the trailer descriptions:
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- laser dots: missing from script, being in the trailer
- glaive-looking weapon: missing from the script, being in the trailer (note: in a trailer description I've read that there is a 'boomerang-like' Predator weapon soaked with blood...I think it was on Joblo. I wonder if these 2 mentioned weapons are the same)
- Peter Keyes' son: missing from the script, displayed on IMDb (maybe Dutch's cameo was replaced with this)
Xerxész - Wait, so it that means that they have their plasmacasters, right? But, the way how exactly you decribe it tells me that they hold it with their hands. Its weird, plasmacasters belong to their shoulders. This seems to copy the idea from AVP2 when the Wolf Predator used his plasma as a pistol in one hand. Or maybe that I just dont understand that properly? Boomerang-like weapon? It could be the classic throwing disc from P2, but I guess its something else, something new. Once again, thank you for your answer.
Also, as a collector. I found and interesting fact. For years, Im collecting the Predator figures from NECA. And now I found that NECA has announced their new figure, its the Predator figure from the upcoming Shane Black movie! But the interesting fact is, that they announced only one Predator figure, isnt that weird? I mean, the movie itself contains a lot of new Predator characters, at least 4. So, why they created only one figure? Is that the proof that they dont want spend too much money on it? Is that a proof that the whole marketing is really low? Of corse that you cant see that figure at this moment, the description says that the design of that figure will be revealed after the movie official release. But its interesting that this movie will produce only one figure from the NECA toys. Previously, the Predators convinced NECA to produce all their movie characters, Berserker, Falconer, Tracker and even battle damaged Classic Predator. All the sites where you can buy various figures offer only one product from this film. I dont think that they will later create more of them. When there was Alien Covenant, NECA announced a few products from that film, all at the same time. At this momemt, I dont even know if I have any interest to buy that, It could be the captured Predator figure or the Hybrid Predator figure, who knows.
Quote from: Petr Švancara on May 04, 2018, 09:12:21 AM
Also, as a collector. I found and interesting fact. For years, Im collecting the Predator figures from NECA. And now I found that NECA has announced their new figure, its the Predator figure from the upcoming Shane Black movie! But the interesting fact is, that they announced only one Predator figure, isnt that weird? I mean, the movie itself contains a lot of new Predator characters, at least 4. So, why they created only one figure? Is that the proof that they dont want spend too much money on it? Is that a proof that the whole marketing is really low? Of corse that you cant see that figure at this moment, the description says that the design of that figure will be revealed after the movie official release. But its interesting that this movie will produce only one figure from the NECA toys. Previously, the Predators convinced NECA to produce all their movie characters, Berserker, Falconer, Tracker and even battle damaged Classic Predator. All the sites where you can buy various figures offer only one product from this film. I dont think that they will later create more of them. When there was Alien Covenant, NECA announced a few products from that film, all at the same time. At this momemt, I dont even know if I have any interest to buy that, It could be the captured Predator figure or the Hybrid Predator figure, who knows.
Don't read too much into it. Funko are releasing 4 Pops from the movie. NECA will make more than 1 Predator in the long run.
Be more worried as to why there's still no trailer for the actual movie yet/ no marketing/ reshoots/ delayed release dates...
Quote from: Petr Švancara on May 04, 2018, 08:51:07 AM
Xerxész - Wait, so it that means that they have their plasmacasters, right? But, the way how exactly you decribe it tells me that they hold it with their hands. Its weird, plasmacasters belong to their shoulders. This seems to copy the idea from AVP2 when the Wolf Predator used his plasma as a pistol in one hand. Or maybe that I just dont understand that properly? Boomerang-like weapon? It could be the classic throwing disc from P2, but I guess its something else, something new. Once again, thank you for your answer.
Yeah, it seems that those plasmacasters are hand-held, similar to Wolf's in AvPR.
I don't know what weapon could that 'boomerang-like' thing be.
The script only mentions the Shuriken and the Combi-stick but that's all.
Quote from: Petr Švancara on May 04, 2018, 09:12:21 AM
It could be the captured Predator figure or the Hybrid Predator figure, who knows.
Most likely it will be the Upgrade.
I'm glad the combi stick is back as that's predator staple to me. I'm sure the shoulder plasma will make some sort of an appearance, I'd be disappointed if not. My big gripe with this film is predators talking , they were supposed to just mimic it's prey , full blown conversations are just over the top. I blame Fred Dekker for how this is turning out , as I said yesterday , the guy slated the original as being too simple and he didn't like it, it absolutely baffles me fox gave him the role to pen the script when he had already been on record saying he didn't like the original. How can he respect and understand the source material if he doesn't like it ? It's simple maths .
Xerxész - This is weird, I was thinking that Shuriken is exclusive for the AVP dimension. How can Shane or Dekker use this things in separated Predator Franchise? Jugding by all the crazy things, the Shuriken is not that crazy as Predator's pants for example, but still is this mean that this new movie will try to connect AVP with the rest of the Franchise? Damn, there should be the classic throwing disk instead of Shuriken, dont you think? This is bad, AVP is now mixing with everything else? BS, now I hate this film even more. Iam super angry jusg because of it, I dont have anything against Shuriken, but it doesnt belong here.
Quote from: ELDERCLANLEADER on May 04, 2018, 11:08:52 AM
I'm glad the combi stick is back as that's predator staple to me. I'm sure the shoulder plasma will make some sort of an appearance, I'd be disappointed if not.
Remember, it's an early script...we can't be sure the combi-stick will be in the final film. In addition, it is only put in McKenna's backpack but never used...according to the script. Same goes to the shuriken.
Quote from: Petr Švancara on May 04, 2018, 11:34:30 AM
Xerxész - This is weird, I was thinking that Shuriken is exclusive for the AVP dimension. How can Shane or Dekker use this things in separated Predator Franchise?
As I wrote above, it's not the final script. Or it is...we can not know for now. :)
What we know for sure is that we have a new weapon, this glaive- and/or boomerang-like thing. ;)
Quote from: funk_master_chunk on May 03, 2018, 09:08:48 PM
Spoiler
There's nothing wrong with a bit of 80s cheese, IMO. Look at Stranger Things; captured the 80s vibe/nostalgia perfectly.
The problem with Dekker's script is that it's like it was written in the 80s and then just updated with tech references and/or planes and choppers names/models. The whole idea is staid. It's like they've gone:
"Hmmm... What do we think is wrong with the World and how can we push that into a film about an extra-terrestrial who hunts humans for sport? I KNOW! Climate change - BOOM! GM Stuff - BOOM! Dick jokes - BOOM! Oh and, while we're at it, let's f**k with what made the first film a classic - BOOOOOOOOOOM!"
Imagine that concept but in 1989 - and that's how the script feels.
I think the main "message" of the script is more about human nature being dangerous and destructive, as they talk about the upgrade becoming more "human", thus becoming less honorable and more of a destructive creature with less morals, like humans.
Quote from: Petr Švancara on May 04, 2018, 11:34:30 AM
Xerxész - This is weird, I was thinking that Shuriken is exclusive for the AVP dimension. How can Shane or Dekker use this things in separated Predator Franchise? Jugding by all the crazy things, the Shuriken is not that crazy as Predator's pants for example, but still is this mean that this new movie will try to connect AVP with the rest of the Franchise? Damn, there should be the classic throwing disk instead of Shuriken, dont you think? This is bad, AVP is now mixing with everything else? BS, now I hate this film even more. Iam super angry jusg because of it, I dont have anything against Shuriken, but it doesnt belong here.
Or they could just be reintroducing the shuriken into Predator canon.
Quote from: KillCrites on May 04, 2018, 12:41:30 PM
Quote from: Petr Švancara on May 04, 2018, 11:34:30 AM
Xerxész - This is weird, I was thinking that Shuriken is exclusive for the AVP dimension. How can Shane or Dekker use this things in separated Predator Franchise? Jugding by all the crazy things, the Shuriken is not that crazy as Predator's pants for example, but still is this mean that this new movie will try to connect AVP with the rest of the Franchise? Damn, there should be the classic throwing disk instead of Shuriken, dont you think? This is bad, AVP is now mixing with everything else? BS, now I hate this film even more. Iam super angry jusg because of it, I dont have anything against Shuriken, but it doesnt belong here.
Or they could just be reintroducing the shuriken into Predator canon.
Please no. They were fine in the AvP universe, but they really didn't fit well with the old predators. That being said, that look is probably completely out of the window by now...
Not really thrilled by this are they about to ruin my favorite extra terrestrial characters I grew up with.
Not really thrilled by this are they about to ruin my favorite extra terrestrial characters I grew up with.
Is This in the script ?
(https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/avp/images/4/42/PREDATOR_p2_disc_03.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20140902013147)
(https://www.minimodelshop.co.uk/picture/HollywoodCollectibles-HCG9206/predator-2-predator-cutting-disc-with-display-prop-replica-hollywood-collectibles-hcg9206-b.jpg)
Quote from: cheachea on May 04, 2018, 07:32:31 PM
Is This in the script ?
https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/avp/images/4/42/PREDATOR_p2_disc_03.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20140902013147
https://www.minimodelshop.co.uk/picture/HollywoodCollectibles-HCG9206/predator-2-predator-cutting-disc-with-display-prop-replica-hollywood-collectibles-hcg9206-b.jpg
Nope
Quote from: BigDaddyJohn on May 04, 2018, 08:07:33 PM
Quote from: cheachea on May 04, 2018, 07:32:31 PM
Is This in the script ?
https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/avp/images/4/42/PREDATOR_p2_disc_03.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20140902013147
https://www.minimodelshop.co.uk/picture/HollywoodCollectibles-HCG9206/predator-2-predator-cutting-disc-with-display-prop-replica-hollywood-collectibles-hcg9206-b.jpg
Nope
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I dont understand why they cant recreate the classic famous disc weapon from P2, I love that scene in slaughterhouse when it cut the Keys in half, it cut even through the concrete pillars and a few frozen cows, just amazing! And that design? Oh my! Only brainwashed writer cant bring this into his story. Sad. :'(
Quote from: cheachea on May 04, 2018, 07:32:31 PM
Is This in the script ?
https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/avp/images/4/42/PREDATOR_p2_disc_03.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20140902013147
https://www.minimodelshop.co.uk/picture/HollywoodCollectibles-HCG9206/predator-2-predator-cutting-disc-with-display-prop-replica-hollywood-collectibles-hcg9206-b.jpg
I'll never be able to see that thing without thinking of razor wind.
Quote from: Huggs on May 05, 2018, 03:04:58 PM
Quote from: cheachea on May 04, 2018, 07:32:31 PM
Is This in the script ?
https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/avp/images/4/42/PREDATOR_p2_disc_03.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20140902013147
https://www.minimodelshop.co.uk/picture/HollywoodCollectibles-HCG9206/predator-2-predator-cutting-disc-with-display-prop-replica-hollywood-collectibles-hcg9206-b.jpg
I'll never be able to see that thing without thinking of razor wind.
Thinking of what now?
Quote from: skull-splitter on May 05, 2018, 04:13:38 PM
Quote from: Huggs on May 05, 2018, 03:04:58 PM
Quote from: cheachea on May 04, 2018, 07:32:31 PM
Is This in the script ?
https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/avp/images/4/42/PREDATOR_p2_disc_03.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20140902013147
https://www.minimodelshop.co.uk/picture/HollywoodCollectibles-HCG9206/predator-2-predator-cutting-disc-with-display-prop-replica-hollywood-collectibles-hcg9206-b.jpg
I'll never be able to see that thing without thinking of razor wind.
Thinking of what now?
It's a Turok thing, from way back when. The good ol' days.
All google gave me were Pokemon references :)
Quote from: skull-splitter on May 05, 2018, 07:19:15 PM
All google gave me were Pokemon references :)
It's the end of civilization as we know it. (bewareoblivionisathand) :D Turok is the name of a videogame series most commonly associated with the Nintendo 64 gaming console. Specifically:
Turok: Dinosaur Hunter
Turok 2: Seeds of Evil
Turok 3: Shadow of Oblivion
Turok: Rage Wars
It was a very big deal back in the day. There was a weapon featured in the games called, "Razor Wind". It was a handheld circular blade disc that could be thrown at enemies, and would then return back to your hand. It looks similar to the predator disc.
There were other Turok games made for the PlayStation 2/Xbox and PlayStation 3/Xbox 360 generation of consoles, but they were nowhere near the same in terms of quality, at least in my opinion.
Another Predator-inspired thing/ The dinosoids self destruct sometimes.
That slow-mo demonstration shot at the end is straight outta Predator 2, haha.
Quote from: OpenMaw on May 05, 2018, 08:33:40 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qKmSoPB6AdQ
Another Predator-inspired thing/ The dinosoids self destruct sometimes.
That slow-mo demonstration shot at the end is straight outta Predator 2, haha.
2:20 - Flawless Victory!
Did play my fair share of those games, just didn't ring a bell.
There is no reason to talk about anything else. Its super boring! Still no trailer for a movie from 2017, oh. . my bad. . reshoots from March 2018 delay everything, lets focus on that? No, as I said. . its boring like a hell, there is not much room for building up any hype there. My friends still dont know that there is any Predator film on the way, perhaps that I should rather tell them about it. . my little words are be the only >real< marketing. ::)
Got to be honest , half expected a trailer last night , don't know why but I think it's because it was a Friday , and it's now a week or so since cinemacon !!! Frustration has now become complete boredom.
Quote from: ELDERCLANLEADER on May 06, 2018, 06:49:32 PM
Got to be honest , half expected a trailer last night , don't know why but I think it's because it was a Friday , and it's now a week or so since cinemacon !!! Frustration has now become complete boredom.
It'll get here eventually. I've decided to basically forget about it until the day comes when the trailer is out and being discussed on here. It could very well be one of those situations where everybody gets super excited for the trailer, only to be let down by what they see.
Quote from: Petr Švancara on May 06, 2018, 02:48:18 PM
There is no reason to talk about anything else. Its super boring!
It's just a casual weapons observation man.
Quote from: ELDERCLANLEADER on May 06, 2018, 06:49:32 PM
Got to be honest , half expected a trailer last night , don't know why but I think it's because it was a Friday , and it's now a week or so since cinemacon !!! Frustration has now become complete boredom.
Really don't expect it before DP2 since it is a hard R film which The Predator would also be. Marketing wise it'd been smart to attach it to Infinity War. But seen that film is more family friendly, so that window has passed.
DP2 is just a little more than a week away, and while I'm curious, I am also patient.
All the informations about this film made me angry like no other film before in my entire life, its because how I love Predator so much like nothing else. I still wants to see it, Im honestly very interested in it, but I also already lost all my tiny "human" hopes. There is absolutely nothing, nothing that made me say - hurray! Im excited, seriously nothing. Im just glad that "they" are working on a new Predator film, thats all. But I strongly believe that there would be only a few good scenes (trailer full of them, lol) and thats not enough, not for me. An event movie right? Pretty good joke.
so, we can expect trailer at the end of May or early June....damn. Also, its strange that they didnt release any promo stills
I've just finished reading the whole thread.
To be frank, this movie, no matter how different it sounds to the original, sounds fun!
Doesn't matter how I loved the original, how it sculpted my love for monster movies and as a grown up I still feel childish glamour when I find an unseen concept art about it.
It's the past, and I have to accept it. Almost all movies including preds used (or mixed) the same formula. Did it work? I wouldn't say so. But they had great potential, as I see, so it all comes down to implementation.
What I have read so far doesn't sound that much like earlier predator movies. Can I say the movie will s**k hurr durr? Yes, I can. Will it change a thing? Nope.
Only the finished product will. Until watching it I use my imagination and hope for the best.
Not provoking anyone, just seeing so many bitter and yes, sad posts, I had to share this.
Be positive, people! Peace :)
Quote from: Petr Švancara on May 06, 2018, 11:27:32 PM
All the informations about this film made me angry like no other film before in my entire life, its because how I love Predator so much like nothing else. I still wants to see it, Im honestly very interested in it, but I also already lost all my tiny "human" hopes. There is absolutely nothing, nothing that made me say - hurray! Im excited, seriously nothing. Im just glad that "they" are working on a new Predator film, thats all. But I strongly believe that there would be only a few good scenes (trailer full of them, lol) and thats not enough, not for me. An event movie right? Pretty good joke.
What irritates me most is that writers seem hell bent on improving the creature by making it more generic.
skull-splitter - I agree, what can you say when you have such a >talented< people behind all of this? Obviously, they want to create a bigger picture behind our favourite movie creature in such a silly way that I cant even imagine. From the moment when I see that pictures with them on APC, me and my wife. . we give up totally! How can you like the movie when someone came with such a junk idea? "Lets wear them in human pants and give them military armor, it would be cool" hell, I want to kick someone in the nuts, someone who created this idea. And you know thats not everything, right? As I said previously, the only thing that I will take from this movie would be a couple of scenes with Predators in action, I dont hope for anything beyond that. The whole DNA mixing aspect? I hope that it is relevant only for the rogue clan or something, and not for the Predators as a whole, Jesus. . another hope? lol, so I expect that this film would be a total disaster for the entire franchise. They try to change too much, and they (same as us) will pay for that, believe me. Be positive? Like really? Lets wait for the trailer, huh? Iv never heard about any other movie that has such a huge amount of bad, crazy, silly, perverse and over the top ideas like this, maybe that I should rather watch some sort of C+ movies just to get used to. And btw, anyone can jump across all that crazy stuff just in order to create good trailer, of course that Director will use mostly the warrant stuff for it. They know about our opinions.
Oh I am willing to try. Moreso than Jurassic World 2, which the first part killed my enthousiasm for.
But I'm just expecting it to be a nail in the coffin of the creature I fell in love with, tribal, unique, detailed, mysterious and exotic. Only to reveil a generic film creature that lost a lot of it's identity.
Quote from: Petr Švancara on May 07, 2018, 09:21:13 AM
skull-splitter - I agree, what can you say when you have such a >talented< people behind all of this? Obviously, they want to create a bigger picture behind our favourite movie creature in such a silly way that I cant even imagine. From the moment when I see that pictures with them on APC, me and my wife. . we give up totally! How can you like the movie when someone came with such a junk idea? "Lets wear them in human pants and give them military armor, it would be cool" hell, I want to kick someone in the nuts, someone who created this idea. And you know thats not everything, right? As I said previously, the only thing that I will take from this movie would be a couple of scenes with Predators in action, I dont hope for anything beyond that. The whole DNA mixing aspect? I hope that it is relevant only for the rogue clan or something, and not for the Predators as a whole, Jesus. . another hope? lol, so I expect that this film would be a total disaster for the entire franchise. They try to change too much, and they (same as us) will pay for that, believe me. Be positive? Like really? Lets wait for the trailer, huh? Iv never heard about any other movie that has such a huge amount of bad, crazy, silly, perverse and over the top ideas like this, maybe that I should rather watch some sort of C+ movies just to get used to. And btw, anyone can jump across all that crazy stuff just in order to create good trailer, of course that Director will use mostly the warrant stuff for it. They know about our opinions.
I have my anxieties about all the topics you mention. And I'm sure I know much less than you (for I didn't read the script, also avoided many spoilers)
Still, I'm saying it's better to be positive and have hope. I don't mean that convince yourself that the movie will be good, but give it the chance to prove itself. Because if you will watch it with so many preliminary bad feelings, it's kinf of a guarantee that you'll just hate it.
Quote from: skull-splitter on May 07, 2018, 10:03:42 AM
Oh I am willing to try. Moreso than Jurassic World 2, which the first part killed my enthousiasm for.
But I'm just expecting it to be a nail in the coffin of the creature I fell in love with, tribal, unique, detailed, mysterious and exotic. Only to reveil a generic film creature that lost a lot of it's identity.
Yea, I'm afraid too. But not about the creature itself, for they can't take that away, we have it as it is already. And if nothing else, we can just discuss about it with other fans.
Also, each and everyone decides what they accept or not, then everything's up to discussion.
I'm rather afraid that the movie will bomb and then it might be that no other predator movie will be made for a decade or so again, stopping any improvement.
Thanks to huggs and skull splitter for trying to cheer me up , don't know why I thought it would drop on Friday, just sort of made sense to me , but yeah deadpool 2 seems to be the slot now , I'm also very worried that this film will take away predators identity. Iv said this from the very beginning, anyone who truly understands the character, knows there's an element of mysteriousness to the predator , if you take that away you are going to far Imo , some things just shouldn't be touched , I don't mind filling a back story in sure , but there's legit ways of doing it that are cool , and then there is this. It sounds so generic and god awful , even the movie plot sounds complete B movie. The humanisation of predator will prove to be the movies biggest mistake. They are supposed to be technically more advanced than we are , so why would they choose to use human weapons and where our clothes ? None of it adds up.
Wear***
Really don't mind B movie. Do mind the typical stuff mentioned and seen how Iron Man 3 mostly focussed on PTSD (and correctly so) while simultaniously murdering the Mandarin into a hollow villain. Which can be retconned, but still.
huntin8-t0n - I know, and I understand you. Believe me, Im giving that film its chance, but still. . there are way too much to accept for me as a fan. Too much to accept for any true fan. I want to see it no matter what, its still Predator film, you know. But I have my own results from it already, results that not even the trailer can change that much. I just dont have that faith as you have, how can I have any faith after all this info? You dont know that much in the terms of spoilers? Honestly, man. . its good for you. . but then prepare for a shock. It can happen, I just warn you buddy. I dont want to be negative, but what can I do with my feelings?
skull-splitter - Exactly, as you said. Iron man 3 is not a bad film itself, but when you are a fan and know about Mandarin from comics? Its totally different for you, and its disgusting (same as Predators in pants) and what about our friend Fred Dekker? He already ruined the Robocop franchise. And as ELDERCLANLEADER said here before, he (Dekker) personaly dont like the original Predator that much or something. So in this case, for me its 1+1=2 as I said, I really dont want to be fully negative, but on the other hand. . how can I be positive. Its impossible for me, sorry guys, I just feel that in this way. :'(
my bet is it's going to be a good film for your average joe who doesn't take the franchise too seriously and just wants to see a bit of mayhem for an hour and a half or so, but a terrible predator film for the fans like us who do take it seriously. That's where I think we are at .. the BIG divide I'd call it. ::)
Quote from: Petr Švancara on May 07, 2018, 10:38:41 AM
huntin8-t0n - I know, and I understand you. Believe me, Im giving that film its chance, but still. . there are way too much to accept for me as a fan. Too much to accept for any true fan. I want to see it no matter what, its still Predator film, you know. But I have my own results from it already, results that not even the trailer can change that much. I just dont have that faith as you have, how can I have any faith after all this info? You dont know that much in the terms of spoilers? Honestly, man. . its good for you. . but then prepare for a shock. It can happen, I just warn you buddy.
Believe me, I get it. I have high standards for basically anything including predators (for instance I really dislike the sounds in the MK X game, for they aren't that much reminiscent of the original :D even though the predator looks really good and classic)
Also, many points mentioned (like predators in human clothes by someone) are total nonsense, as I see, I agree. It might happen that a predator jumps in in some jeans and I stand up and curse, and leave the cinema. So yea, I am kind of prepared, especially after predators.
But until I see it, I advise myself (even though I have fears) not to judge it too early. I might be very wrong and will be sad, disappointed etc. but if I am in a state of disapproval in advance, that will just cloud my judgement.
If it will be a terrible movie, I'll be sad and disappointed for sure. Also, I'll ignore any stupid ideas anyway.
QuoteI dont want to be negative, but what can I do with my feelings?
Nothing, for sure. I'm not even trying to convince, just maybe my point of view can give some positive input for you/anyone.
If the movie sucks, we'll go to the next pub and drink all night long :D
I agree Dekker could be the biggest problem here, that's why i'm betting on Black to counterbalance that...
We should be getting a trailer any day now, it's killing me.
Quote from: KillCrites on May 07, 2018, 01:03:21 PM
We should be getting a trailer any day now, it's killing me.
DP2 is in ten days. But don't lose your mind if those aren't connected.
Quote from: skull-splitter on May 07, 2018, 03:07:14 PM
Quote from: KillCrites on May 07, 2018, 01:03:21 PM
We should be getting a trailer any day now, it's killing me.
DP2 is in ten days. But don't lose your mind if those aren't connected.
Be one hell of a missed opportunity if it wasn't. Everyone's gonna see it, so why not?
Quote from: Petr Švancara on May 07, 2018, 10:52:43 AM
skull-splitter - Exactly, as you said. Iron man 3 is not a bad film itself, but when you are a fan and know about Mandarin from comics? Its totally different for you, and its disgusting (same as Predators in pants) and what about our friend Fred Dekker? He already ruined the Robocop franchise. And as ELDERCLANLEADER said here before, he (Dekker) personaly dont like the original Predator that much or something. So in this case, for me its 1+1=2 as I said, I really dont want to be fully negative, but on the other hand. . how can I be positive. Its impossible for me, sorry guys, I just feel that in this way. :'(
A lot of things went wrong with Robocop 3. No Weller. No O'Herlihy. PG-13 rating. Terrible special effects. I'm holding out hope that we get a real Robocop sequel one day. Would love for Peter Weller to get interested.
Robocop 3 is not that bad.
Quote from: newagescamartist on May 07, 2018, 08:11:45 PM
Quote from: Petr Švancara on May 07, 2018, 10:52:43 AM
skull-splitter - Exactly, as you said. Iron man 3 is not a bad film itself, but when you are a fan and know about Mandarin from comics? Its totally different for you, and its disgusting (same as Predators in pants) and what about our friend Fred Dekker? He already ruined the Robocop franchise. And as ELDERCLANLEADER said here before, he (Dekker) personaly dont like the original Predator that much or something. So in this case, for me its 1+1=2 as I said, I really dont want to be fully negative, but on the other hand. . how can I be positive. Its impossible for me, sorry guys, I just feel that in this way. :'(
A lot of things went wrong with Robocop 3. No Weller. No O'Herlihy. PG-13 rating. Terrible special effects. I'm holding out hope that we get a real Robocop sequel one day. Would love for Peter Weller to get interested.
A real sequel would be cool. Something set in modern times with Robocop having to adapt or somesuch.
I remember Robocop 3 just being definitively stupid and inconsistent to the point of ridiculousness. I mean, even right down to small silly things like Robocop standing up through the roof of his car rather than just opening the door. Nothing made sense in that film.
Regardless of what happens with this movie, the predator isn't going anywhere. He's popping up in videogames. There's the omnibus along with "If It Bleeds", which I thought was fantastic. And with the Alien enjoying another good release from Titan, I don't see another Predator book being out of the question. Not to mention the awesome audio dramas we've been getting. These creatures are enjoying a good run outside of film, and we're getting to enjoy them in many different ways.
So say it all goes south, and we don't get another movie for 5-10 years. The predator will always be an icon, and will maintain a presence outside of the theater. I've seen people buying motorcycle helmets made to resemble a predator mask. I've seen tattoos, and merchandise. It will continue on in many different ways. He's a figure in popular culture, and he ain't goin' no where.
I don't think anyone believes that the predator will ever fade from pop culture. I think people just want more movies on a consistent basis.
Quote from: BishopShouldGo on May 08, 2018, 03:51:42 AM
I don't think anyone believes that the predator will ever fade from pop culture. I think people just want more movies on a consistent basis.
Indeed. I highly doubt it's gonna happen though. Predator and Alien aren't Iron Man or Pirates of the Caribbean. There's only so many movies to expect per-decade. My point was that even if "The Predator" puts the kibosh to the movies for awhile, there's still a lot of way to enjoy the creature outside of the cinema. And those aren't going to go dormant.
Ya know Huggs if you have too many bombs and lack luster outings, they will retire a franchise "indefinitely."
The Predator franchise as a whole has not been given particularly good treatment in terms of quality control or consistency.
Im of total agreement , fox have treated the predator franchise very badly film wise , my hope is disney will change that in the future , sure predator is going nowhere but I dont think expecting a quality product is wrong , after all its our hard earned cash at the end the day. My big worry is the film will be a flop , and we wont see a predator film for many many years to come. Disney will only invest in something that they know they can make their money back on.
Quote from: ELDERCLANLEADER on May 08, 2018, 01:39:02 PM
Im of total agreement , fox have treated the predator franchise very badly film wise , my hope is disney will change that in the future , sure predator is going nowhere but I dont think expecting a quality product is wrong , after all its our hard earned cash at the end the day. My big worry is the film will be a flop , and we wont see a predator film for many many years to come. Disney will only invest in something that they know they can make their money back on.
dont get your hopes up, look what happend to star wars under disney's care.
I don't get the hate on disneys take on Star Wars , rogue one was excellent and imo the best stars wars film made since the empire strikes back, it's like everyone forgets how god awful the prequels were under George Lucas , the phantom menace and the attack of the clones were the worst Star Wars films made to date imo, even then if you don't agree cool , but then look at what they have done with marvel , it's one of cinemas greatest achievements. So I'm not going to be a Disney hater, because imo they very rarely release lackluster films. I would feel far more comfortable with Disney making predator films in the future than fox , as far as I can see , fox have lost all credibility in making high quality predator and alien films.
It's 20th century fox who are the problem.
Quote from: ELDERCLANLEADER on May 08, 2018, 02:12:55 PM
I don't get the hate on disneys take on Star Wars , rogue one was excellent and imo the best stars wars film made since the empire strikes back, it's like everyone forgets how god awful the prequels were under George Lucas , the phantom menace and the attack of the clones were the worst Star Wars films made to date imo, even then if you don't agree cool , but then look at what they have done with marvel , it's one of cinemas greatest achievements. So I'm not going to be a Disney hater, because imo they very rarely release lackluster films. I would feel far more comfortable with Disney making predator films in the future than fox , as far as I can see , fox have lost all credibility in making high quality predator and alien films.
It's 20th century fox who are the problem.
not to turn this into a star wars thread or anything but for me the prequles are a 100 times better than what we have gotten from disney
to much political stuff in the new movies for my taste ( also a reason why i wont see han solo or ep 9)
The original Star Wars had plenty of politics in it, I mean the empire was clearly based on the nazis , the persecution of the Jedi was akin to the way nazis treated the Jews , my point being is Star Wars has always had real world politics in it , but Star Wars aside , my original point is disney get a lot of unwarranted hate imo , at the end of the day they try to please , they regularly release films and spend a lot of resources to make it as good as possible, which is way more than can be said for 20th century fox .
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Quote from: ELDERCLANLEADER on May 08, 2018, 02:12:55 PM
I don't get the hate on disneys take on Star Wars , rogue one was excellent and imo the best stars wars film made since the empire strikes back, it's like everyone forgets how god awful the prequels were under George Lucas , the phantom menace and the attack of the clones were the worst Star Wars films made to date imo, even then if you don't agree cool , but then look at what they have done with marvel , it's one of cinemas greatest achievements. So I'm not going to be a Disney hater, because imo they very rarely release lackluster films. I would feel far more comfortable with Disney making predator films in the future than fox , as far as I can see , fox have lost all credibility in making high quality predator and alien films.
It's 20th century fox who are the problem.
not to turn this into a star wars thread or anything but for me the prequles are a 100 times better than what we have gotten from disney
to much political stuff in the new movies for my taste ( also a reason why i wont see han solo or ep 9)
The Lucas prequels were FILLED with weak political plot points :laugh:
Anyway can't wait for the trailer... To think that people at cinemacon already saw it, while we are here waiting, huh it hurts :laugh:
Quote from: ELDERCLANLEADER on May 08, 2018, 02:56:34 PM
The original Star Wars had plenty of politics in it, I mean the empire was clearly based on the nazis , the persecution of the Jedi was akin to the way nazis treated the Jews , my point being is Star Wars has always had real world politics in it , but Star Wars aside , my original point is disney get a lot of unwarranted hate imo , at the end of the day they try to please , they regularly release films and spend a lot of resources to make it as good as possible, which is way more than can be said for 20th century fox .
well i dont agree hehe but anyway back to the predator :D
I still wonder how the big, bad Hybrid Predator will look like in the film. I know that some of us dont like the Berserker's face design in previous movie, but I highly tolerated it. I will be very glad if this Hybrid has at least a similar look. Everything is still on a long road, before we actualy see him. . for sure, he wouldnt be shown in a trailer, I hope. So, its a big thing to reveal him. I hope that he will be a true badass looking (Bad Blood) Predator and not some kind of mix between Arnold Schwarzenegger and Alien looking Stone Cold. This reminds me a final boss from the game called Predator: Concrete Jungle where you fight on your last mission against something similar as in my previous description, it was a Human-looking Predator with regular dreadlocks, just a weird boss from a very good Predator game.
Quote from: ELDERCLANLEADER on May 08, 2018, 02:56:34 PM
The original Star Wars had plenty of politics in it, I mean the empire was clearly based on the nazis , the persecution of the Jedi was akin to the way nazis treated the Jews , my point being is Star Wars has always had real world politics in it , but Star Wars aside , my original point is disney get a lot of unwarranted hate imo , at the end of the day they try to please , they regularly release films and spend a lot of resources to make it as good as possible, which is way more than can be said for 20th century fox .
The original Star Wars was not about the real world politics and historical imagery that it let influence it's style, though. It was a classic, clear cut, good versus evil adventure. It was never about the politics in the original trilogy.
Openmaw yeah politics is the wrong word I used , historical influence is a much better term, where do you think the word storm trooper comes from ? The empire imagery was clearly based on s.s uniforms, Lucas has been on record to confirm this ....
The fact that fascism inspired the look and feel of the Empire is no secret. In fact, Star Wars creator George Lucas even refers to the Imperial officers in The Empire Strikes Back as "Nazis" while giving his commentary of the film. He specifically mentions their militaristic dress, noting, "The Nazis are basically the same costume as we used in the first film and they are designed to be very authoritarian, very empire-like."
So my point is taking inspiration from real world affairs is nothing new in Star Wars.
Quote from: Petr Švancara on May 08, 2018, 03:39:27 PM
I still wonder how the big, bad Hybrid Predator will look like in the film. I know that some of us dont like the Berserker's face design in previous movie, but I highly tolerated it. I will be very glad if this Hybrid has at least a similar look. Everything is still on a long road, before we actualy see him. . for sure, he wouldnt be shown in a trailer, I hope. So, its a big thing to reveal him. I hope that he will be a true badass looking (Bad Blood) Predator and not some kind of mix between Arnold Schwarzenegger and Alien looking Stone Cold. This reminds me a final boss from the game called Predator: Concrete Jungle where you fight on your last mission against something similar as in my previous description, it was a Human-looking Predator with regular dreadlocks, just a weird boss from a very good Predator game.
Why would he resembles anything like that :laugh:
I hope not petr and big daddy john , I loved that game but that boss was just terrible lol 😂
ELDERCLANLEADER - That was perfect game, I still have it on my old Xbox 360, time by time Im playing it just for pure fun, I love especially that sort of missions where you as Predator has part of the open city just for yourself. You know, sort of a little GTA but with Predator instead. I dream about a proper Remake or Remastered version of that game, man. . that will be super! Made it bigger and better, with more options, weapons and fully customizable Predator, but I guess it will never happen. Predator rights are strictly guarded, I dont even know how is it possible that they created that game, just wow! For me its a pure miracle, and these AVP games, million times better than actual movies? There are not enough of them, really. . almost every year the gamers got tons of Call of Duty or Assassin Creed games, and still no Predator or not even that much Alien games. I know that Bioschock creators are developing a new game from Alien universe, thats all. Sorry for talking about games here guys, but I am also huge gamer. ;)
Oh god, even here people whine about choices made with Star Wars...
Back on track please.
Skull splitter I was in context , I didn't bring Star Wars up someone else did , I was merely correcting them , believe me when I say I'm not a Star Wars fan boy lol, I enjoy Disney's take on the franchise, but I don't take it too seriously. My original point was about disneys takeover of 20th century fox and how I think the franchise will be in good hands in the future.
Petr I would love to see a remake of CJ it was awesome , and I agree buddy a full on open world predator game has always been my dream too ;)
ELDERCLANLEADER - Why they dont create game like that, I mean open world Predator game or even game where Predator should hunt on various planets in the space, various species, animals etc. I will never understand that. . it will be a massive best-seller. The only thing that propably work against it is the whole license thing. You know, someone for sure has already this idea, a massive Predator open world game should already exist at these days, and instead of that we see the same sports games every year, its just example. I dont have anything against sport games, but in general. . Its not my cup of tea. The only chance for a game with Predator comes with this new Shane Black movie, if its gonna be good, maybe they will consider to make another game with Predator, but as an experienced gamer. . I need to admit that most of the games based on the movies are not really that good. It will be perfect if some independent studio take its own chance, but I dont think that license owners will simply allow them to do that. This is proof that the game industry is full of. . you know what I want to say. Its sad. :'(
Quote from: ELDERCLANLEADER on May 08, 2018, 07:54:55 PM
Skull splitter I was in context , I didn't bring Star Wars up someone else did , I was merely correcting them , believe me when I say I'm not a Star Wars fan boy lol, I enjoy Disney's take on the franchise, but I don't take it too seriously. My original point was about disneys takeover of 20th century fox and how I think the franchise will be in good hands in the future.
You can't correct an
opinion. I personally enjoy all the Star Wars films. A lot of fans hate the prequels. A lot of fans hate the new series (especially the latest). I also love all the Predator films. A lot of fans don't. There's no accounting for taste.
QuotePetr I would love to see a remake of CJ it was awesome , and I agree buddy a full on open world predator game has always been my dream too ;)
Quote from: Petr Švancara on May 08, 2018, 10:46:57 PM
ELDERCLANLEADER - Why they dont create game like that, I mean open world Predator game or even game where Predator should hunt on various planets in the space, various species, animals etc. I will never understand that. . it will be a massive best-seller. The only thing that propably work against it is the whole license thing. You know, someone for sure has already this idea, a massive Predator open world game should already exist at these days, and instead of that we see the same sports games every year, its just example. I dont have anything against sport games, but in general. . Its not my cup of tea. The only chance for a game with Predator comes with this new Shane Black movie, if its gonna be good, maybe they will consider to make another game with Predator, but as an experienced gamer. . I need to admit that most of the games based on the movies are not really that good. It will be perfect if some independent studio take its own chance, but I dont think that license owners will simply allow them to do that. This is proof that the game industry is full of. . you know what I want to say. Its sad. :'(
It's a damn shame they haven't done something like this. Predator is just begging for an open-world, or open-galaxy game. There's loads of space to do something really interesting and really wide with it. I hope they realize this.
All the themes used in star wars were used to create a battle of good vs evil. There was no deeper thought given to it back then. However the Prequels were ripe with current political themes. Emperor Palpatine's "My resolve has never been stronger" is the most on the nose in all of star wars. Lucas was essentially equating George W. Bush with Emperor Palpatine. But hell that was to be expected considering that the entire trilogy revolved around a Senate. TFA wasn't any thing special unless it's progressive outlook is something one disagrees with. TLJ shoehorned it in, which utterly whitewashes any meaning.
So what brought up this political stuff. OMFG don't tell me that The Predator is going to make an appearance on capital hill. Yea I can see that speech already...
Sure I recognise people's right to opinions , but when the creator of Star Wars himself has been on record about where he got his inspirations from , it then becomes a matter of fact. He's the creator not us. So our opinions only go so far in the face of truth, we didn't create it Lucas did , and I'll take his word over where he got his ideas from then any fan who thinks different, also It wasn't just ww2 that influenced him , many things did.
Back to predator, I really hope a new predator game will get released in the future. It's like the holy grail to me.
I have this idea petr for a new predator game , what if they made a pubg styled predator game ? where say maybe 10 or so players are randomly selected to play as predator, and they have to hunt every other player on the map , the other players have to work together to survive and set traps etc..
Quote from: ELDERCLANLEADER on May 09, 2018, 09:33:36 AM
Sure I recognise people's right to opinions , but when the creator of Star Wars himself has been on record about where he got his inspirations from , it then becomes a matter of fact. He's the creator not us. So our opinions only go so far in the face of truth, we didn't create it Lucas did , and I'll take his word over where he got his ideas from then any fan who thinks different, also It wasn't just ww2 that influenced him , many things did.
You said -
Quotemy original point is disney get a lot of unwarranted hate imo , at the end of the day they try to please , they regularly release films and spend a lot of resources to make it as good as possible, which is way more than can be said for 20th century fox .
That's what I was addressing in my response.
QuoteBack to predator, I really hope a new predator game will get released in the future. It's like the holy grail to me.
I have this idea petr for a new predator game , what if they made a pubg styled predator game ? where say maybe 10 or so players are randomly selected to play as predator, and they have to hunt every other player on the map , the other players have to work together to survive and set traps etc..
Sounds like it would tie into Predators pretty well. I could dig that quite easily. I love PUBG.
Sorry hicks just woke up and read what you meant wrong, my bad 🤗
Yeah i know right , predator unknown battle hunt, PUBH for short ... I think it would be awesome , isn't it nonsense how us fans can come up with all these really cool concepts and yet we never see them , such a shame, I was thinking you could have side missions in the match as predator where you have to find some of your technology and stop the humans from scavenging it , because if they get hold of it they become on equal footing ... there's loads you could add to a game like that , it's dying for someone to make a predator mod at the very least hicks ;D
There is a new video from a guy called Mr. H, Im watching his content a lot, this is basically the video from him, where he is talking about everything in regards to the upcoming Predator movie from Shane Black. Video is full of his own personal opinions, however I higly agree with almost everything he said. Take a look - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iCm74me_RVU&app=desktop
Petr iv seen the very video you talking about bro , I also highly agree with him unfortunately.
ELDERCLANLEADER & Corporal Hicks - I agree, right now Im playing the unfinished version of PUBG in my Xbox One X, its still not the final product. . they are still working on it, but I love that game from its very first moment. I love the realism behind it, that whole concept as same as the idea itself is very, very good. But, there are tons and tons of new upcoming games that are trying to be same as PUBG or even better, these new upcoming games are trying to copy the whole Battle Royale concept in a different or even the same way, and Im think that this is just nasty commercial behaviour, everyone are trying to copy the success of the PUBG, just because the money, cash. Dont get me wrong, I love PUBG (for example I hate the Fortnite) but, what exactly Im trying to say here is, that PUBG even as it is. . is still kind of a dull game, let me explain this. . everytime when Im on Xbox, I play a couple of games in PUBG, but after a while. . its little boring, sometimes you have a long, very funny match when you even end up in between the last 10 players, that is very exciting. But on the other hand. . sometimes, you fall on the ground and you're dead about less than 5 minutes. The problem is, that in this game. . there is no progress, yes you will got the BP points that you can use for buying new clothes for your character, thats sweet, but it is not the real progress that most of the games already have. So, after a while you realise that PUBG is an astonishing experience, but thats really all. There is nothing more behind it. In the Xbox version. . there will be Achievements (PC version already have it) thats nice, but more than that. . I love the progression, I love the option to upgrade or somehow evolve my character, and dont even forget about the story aspect as well, those are the different reasons that convince me to play other more complex games. So, the whole Battle Royale concept with combination of Predator could be unique and perfect experience. I image this in a similar way as in Robert Rodriguez Predators from 2010 huh, no surprise. . numerous players will fall into the jungle. . limited amount of them will be as Predators both Classic and Bad, and people will try to survive, not even against Predators but also against other humans, yes even the Classic Predators will be fighting against the Bad Predators, you will have various options to create traps (even by using the other humans or Predators as decoys) you will have options for creating weapons etc. This will be interesting. But as I said before, its just an empty multiplayer concept without any bigger context. So, I will rather prefer a game like GTA or Warframe, where you as a player can create your own Predator and experience the whole story of the game by yourself or with your friends as another Predators. Imagine something like Destiny (its not the best example, but once again its a good concept) but only with Predator players instead of Guardians, something like that. Im talking about this just because the whole phenomenon of Battle Royale idea is way too big, and after a while it will be gone, one day it wiill not be so popular anymore, and even now. . you as a player cant play all of these Battle Royale games at once, its crazy. . you play either one or two of them (I personally play only the PUBG) so. . the whole crazy popularity of Battle Royale games one day end. And only the strong titles will keep up their community alive even after that. PUBG is the first and only revolution in the terms of this (game) genre, I hope that it will survive even the fall of this whole popularity. But we also need to remember that games with story are also very important, they are and always will be here, we need them more than tons and tons of Battle Royale titles. And now, lets count how many times I write the words "Battle Royale" in this text, lol. :o
Yeah I mean PUBG was a mod for ARMA originally , and even that was based of the Japanese film known as battle grounds , I don't really think the concept can be copyrighted, as they stole the concept themselves , at its ground level it's just a really good open world multiplayer survival game , but it isn't the first , DAY Z is also a mod for ARMA in the same way PUBG was, GTA set the stage for open world games , are we saying that we cant have new open world games because rockstar was the grandfather of the genre ? I'm sure someone originally created the first 3D racing game , we still have them though , don't we ? The concept works because we live in a real open world , where random chance happens , and that's what makes the game successful, I see no reason why devs can't get creative and incorporate well loved franchises into the mix imo, and predator is perfect for a game like this.
However petr I totally get you on the importance of story in video games.. multiplayer can feel a bit empty without it ;)
ELDERCLANLEADER - I agree to disagree, yes I know that Battle Royale was propably first inroduced with that Japanese film. I also know about the ARMA, but in the terms of games, the PUBG is the actual King of this genre, at least right now at these days, I think. But in short, I was trying to say that I dont want to see too many new games like that, I hate that situation when its something that good, that popular, so good that even others are trying to do the same. Like everyone is having hats on their heads, why should I have hat too? I was always trying to do my own thing, and going my own way. I dont want to be sheep that goes with others, you know. Developers are on the other hand thinking mainly about profit, of course they try to copy as much as they could. But I hate this behaviour. There will be E3 international conference next month, you will be surprised how many titles will focus on Battle Royale concept, for me. . it is ugly.
Yeah I mean I sort of agree , but what I'm getting at is video games are all influenced by other games these days , it's just the nature of the business , when GTA 3 came out , how many GTA clones came out ? Loads. How many racing games have there been since the first one came out ? Again loads. Copying the current trend is nothing new in video games , or in media as a whole. We live in a real world open world, and video game open worlds are trying to simulate our real world. Just because pubg has become hugely successful, doesn't mean it owns the concept in its entirety, because like I said military sandboxes existed long before PUBG did , so if anything all these games are copying what ARMA has been doing for years .
ELDERCLANLEADER - You have right man, but dont forget. . when its someting to much, its just too much. Influence is good, when it is handled in a right way, also with some respect. But where is the room for the pure originality? It must came from somewhere, right? It slowly dissapears, in both movies and games. Thats sad.
While interesting, I think we're sidetracking massively. These ideas should slot in the game subforum.
skull-splitter - Come on, it starts because of I mention the (game) Predator Concrete Jungle here, but still, there isnt that much of anything else what we can talk about here, dont you think? Besides, I post at least Video from Mr. H here. Do you have anything else that you can add here? Because, I not. Basically everything was discussed here, honestly. But Im still open to every kind of discussion. I like local people here.
With all due respect skull splitter there's only so many times we can all talk about the trailer at cinemacon , this post is quite old and dead now , we are all just some fellow fans talking about predator ideas , there's a new post about the trailer, for people who want that , c,mon lighten up man ;)
Still, this isn't the gaming department.
Well I'm not being disrespectful, but I really don't see the problem with a bunch of dudes talking freely about ideas on predator , as iv said this post is pretty much dead now , if anything we are keeping it alive. Since yesterday near enough every comment you have made has been about what people should or shouldn't be writing. Your not the mod hicks is , and as you can see he was joining in the discussion too, we were all just freely talking about all stuff predator , just chill dude . What exactly is the problem ? I'd understand if this was a new post but it's old and like I said there's a new post about the trailer. I really don't see what we are doing wrong. Would you rather no one comments again ?
There's a time and a place. We have a gaming section here.
Let's steer back on topic now gents. You can head over to the gaming board to discuss the games. :) https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/index.php?board=8.0
Okey, so now we will act like there are Laws that we cant change, just super! I was thinking that we are just a bunch of normal people here, but it seems that no one is coming here with anything usefull anymore, and still there are complains about other content? Those people that complain, did they add anything other than that here? I can complain too, but why, huh? No one step in my way with any harsch reason, but at least now I can create my own opinion about some of the people here, kill me for that! Im rather moving on the new post, I feel a toxic smell here.
Are you unfamiliar with forums, Petr? There are rules that people are expected to follow. We have separate locations to discuss separate things to keep on topic. It's not a hard concept and a pretty standard way of operating forums.
Corporal Hicks - Man, honestly, I dont have anything against these rules, but I think "end of the world" comes with much harder conditions. Seriously, nothing bad happened here, lol. :o
You're the one making an issue out of them. :-\
::) Petr Švancara, I think I've made it clear that we're sticking back on topic and that we expect people using this community to abide by it's rules. If you're unable to follow those rules, don't come here. I'm afraid it's that simple. Stop making mountains out of molehills and behave like an adult and you'll be fine.
Not sure how much clearer I can be about it being the end of the discussion. If you can't abide by the staff's requests don't expect to be allowed to stick around. Move on, discuss the actual topics at hand.
And while I think the idea on games are awesome to discuss, it's far more effective in it's respective subforum. Feel free to open a topic there and I'll join you in a heartbeat.
Not going to lie, film looks terrible. Like AVP without the cheese.
Quote from: Highland on May 10, 2018, 05:21:32 PM
Not going to lie, film looks terrible. Like AVP without the cheese.
So is that better or worse then?
Quote from: OpenMaw on May 10, 2018, 06:58:25 PM
Quote from: Highland on May 10, 2018, 05:21:32 PM
Not going to lie, film looks terrible. Like AVP without the cheese.
So is that better or worse then?
worse, I take, but I think the other way around. Myself.
Quote from: OpenMaw on May 10, 2018, 06:58:25 PM
Quote from: Highland on May 10, 2018, 05:21:32 PM
Not going to lie, film looks terrible. Like AVP without the cheese.
So is that better or worse then?
It doesn't really look like anything, like some of the comments mention it's got a real straight to Netflix feel. I guess what I'm most disinterested about is that nothing really happens, but not in a good way.
The trailer opens quite well ( despite not really liking what's happening here) then it looks like they took a random number generator and threw clips together.
I actually do like the male actors though, so something might be decent. The Predators look ok too.
I mean looking on the outside , nothing is screaming at me to go buy a ticket for it. If they release the movie at Halloween though it might go ok.
Quote from: Highland on May 11, 2018, 01:13:04 AM
Quote from: OpenMaw on May 10, 2018, 06:58:25 PM
Quote from: Highland on May 10, 2018, 05:21:32 PM
Not going to lie, film looks terrible. Like AVP without the cheese.
So is that better or worse then?
It doesn't really look like anything, like some of the comments mention it's got a real straight to Netflix feel. I guess what I'm most disinterested about is that nothing really happens, but not in a good way.
The trailer opens quite well ( despite not really liking what's happening here) then it looks like they took a random number generator and threw clips together.
I actually do like the male actors though, so something might be decent. The Predators look ok too.
I mean looking on the outside , nothing is screaming at me to go buy a ticket for it. If they release the movie at Halloween though it might go ok.
The shots of the main guy (Holbrook) have me a little more excited for the movie. I think if the core actors can carry the movie (good balance of humor, personality, etc.), I could overlook the absurd premise a bit more.
I don't know if it's just me, but I see a faint a resemblance between the main actor in AVPR and Holbrook that I can't quite put my finger on... not a physical one.
The premise is growing on me a little now that I think about it more, but only from the human science aspect, we might get to find out some interesting details about Predators. I'm still not sure about the genetic upgrade thing.
I dunno, the lighting looks very well done, clean and nice colour grading. It's miles ahead of AVPR. I'm not sure about the City tone, but it worked well in P2.
Its just a very lazy thought out trailer....but it's only a teaser so..
Not crazy about the genetic modification angle, seems like more of an Alien / Weyland-Yutani thing than a Predator thing. Definitely less excited now ...