Posted by Gate
- Nov 17, 2014, 07:17:40 AMTheory time:
Egg morphing is done by juveniles in the presence of a foreign or hostile environment.
Over time, the colony matures and a Queen can develop from the older aliens. By introducing a Queen, the hive reaches a new, efficient method of reproduction and doubles the population from hosts.
Egg morphing is done by juveniles in the presence of a foreign or hostile environment.
Over time, the colony matures and a Queen can develop from the older aliens. By introducing a Queen, the hive reaches a new, efficient method of reproduction and doubles the population from hosts.
Posted by HuDaFuK
- Nov 15, 2014, 12:27:16 PMQuote from: thecaffeinatedone on Nov 15, 2014, 08:45:08 AM"It kinda does"
-HuDaFuK
Said by you.
:p
Read what I actually said. I said Ripley finding Dallas and Brett cocooned contradicted her silence when she sees the Hive on LV-426. I never said it contradicted reproduction by Queen.
Posted by thecaffeinatedone
- Nov 15, 2014, 08:45:08 AMQuote from: HuDaFuK on Nov 14, 2014, 08:51:31 AM
Main argument and then some stuff
When did I ever say it did?
"It kinda does"
-HuDaFuK
Said by you.
:p
And yes, the hive on the ship (given the context of the plot, timeline and infestation) is indeed a plothole, or at least shoddily written in. Maybe if the nest wasn't a major plot point in the story, then it wouldn't have really mattered.
Posted by windebieste
- Nov 14, 2014, 10:57:00 PMQuote from: HuDaFuK on Nov 12, 2014, 08:37:15 AMQuote from: thecaffeinatedone on Nov 12, 2014, 06:41:40 AMYes actually, the first film has Eggmorphing to explain its eggs.
No it doesn't.
Eggmorphing didn't exist in the franchise until the Director's Cut in 2003.
So much facepalm and lol.
When was the footage shot?
Late 1970's.
Does it appear in the film at all?
Yes. It was reinserted into the 2003 Director's Cut.
Does Amanda Ripley appear in the original theatrical release of 'ALIENS'?
No. She doesn't. She is mentioned only in the DC version.
You can't mix and match theatrical and DC versions just to support this argument. CA relied on her presence in the 'ALIENS' DC. It then stands to reason content of the 'ALIEN' DC is just as relevant - more so because 'ALIEN' is the movie the game draws its direct inspiration from.
-Windebieste.
Posted by HuDaFuK
- Nov 14, 2014, 08:51:31 AMQuote from: thecaffeinatedone on Nov 14, 2014, 04:27:04 AM99% and probably? Unless virtually nobody read anything about the film in magazines. Contrary to popular belief, people in the United States can indeed read magazine articles about films they like. Especially when it's a hit and a good movie too. :p
I never said anything about Americans not being able to read. But most people go to the the theatre, see the movie and leave it at that. The serious fans will track down all the extra info, but what percentage of the millions who watched the film did they account for?
Quote from: thecaffeinatedone on Nov 14, 2014, 04:27:04 AM"You can't help them....right now they're being coccooned like the others."
-Ripley.
Said after the Marines (and by extension Ripley) have seen the interior of the Hive and the people cocooned there. If she'd seen Dallas and Brett cocooned to the wall on the Nostromo, as soon as she saw the same stuff on the interior of the processor she would've at least said something. But she doesn't. Besides, as I said, you can see the confusion on her face. She doesn't have a clue.
Quote from: thecaffeinatedone on Nov 14, 2014, 04:27:04 AMAnd no, no, and no again, eggmorphing does not contradict a queen producing eggs.
When did I ever say it did?
Posted by thecaffeinatedone
- Nov 14, 2014, 04:27:04 AMQuote from: HuDaFuK on Nov 13, 2014, 08:48:23 AMQuote from: thecaffeinatedone on Nov 13, 2014, 03:16:42 AMIt existed if you bothered to read any of the behind the scenes magazines at the time that talked about the deleted scene. :p
Which 99% of the people who saw the film probably didn't.Quote from: thecaffeinatedone on Nov 13, 2014, 03:16:42 AMIt also doesn't contradict any established (theatrically shown)canon.
It kinda does. If Ripley had seen that, she'd at least pipe up and say something when the Marines stumble into the Hive on LV-426. Instead she's silent and looks genuinely dumbfounded.
99% and probably? Unless virtually nobody read anything about the film in magazines. Contrary to popular belief, people
in the United States can indeed read magazine articles about films they like. Especially when it's a hit and a good movie too. :p
Also:
"You can't help them....right now they're being coccooned like the others."
-Ripley.
I don't think she was expecting tons and tons of bodies and a nest taking over the entire processor either.
And no, no, and no again, eggmorphing does not contradict a queen producing eggs. All the scene posits is that when an Alien is aboard a ship sans any of its biomechanical comrades, it can fertilize human bodies into eggs.
Posted by HuDaFuK
- Nov 13, 2014, 08:48:23 AMQuote from: thecaffeinatedone on Nov 13, 2014, 03:16:42 AMIt existed if you bothered to read any of the behind the scenes magazines at the time that talked about the deleted scene. :p
Which 99% of the people who saw the film probably didn't.
Quote from: thecaffeinatedone on Nov 13, 2014, 03:16:42 AMIt also doesn't contradict any established (theatrically shown)canon.
It kinda does. If Ripley had seen that, she'd at least pipe up and say something when the Marines stumble into the Hive on LV-426. Instead she's silent and looks genuinely dumbfounded.
Posted by thecaffeinatedone
- Nov 13, 2014, 03:16:42 AMQuote from: HuDaFuK on Nov 12, 2014, 08:37:15 AMIt existed if you bothered to read any of the behind the scenes magazines at the time that talked about the deleted scene. :p
No it doesn't.
Eggmorphing didn't exist in the franchise until the Director's Cut in 2003.
It also doesn't contradict any established (theatrically shown)canon.
re: Kelgaard
That being said, I must add that the point about the egg origin being none-pertinent to the story is a good point. The threat of the movie (and the narrative and story itself)comes more or less from the isolation and Alien itself than by finding out how all the eggs originated on the Derelict.
It is important to note that unlike the movie Alien, in game we are shown a nest and have it as a main (and pertinent!)plot point that changes the course of the story. Not having an explanation for it while the developers outright reject eggmorphing thus presents a problem.
Posted by Kel G 426
- Nov 12, 2014, 03:55:30 PMThe source of the eggs inside the derelict was never a pertinent question. We don't know where the ship came from, much less the eggs. No explanation needed there.
Multiple eggs on a space station, however, does warrant some explanation. It's possible the alien birthed from Foster was a queen, and the one stalking Amanda was the first of her brood. More likely is Samus007's theory. Most likely is the hosts were all eggmorphed
Multiple eggs on a space station, however, does warrant some explanation. It's possible the alien birthed from Foster was a queen, and the one stalking Amanda was the first of her brood. More likely is Samus007's theory. Most likely is the hosts were all eggmorphed
Posted by HuDaFuK
- Nov 12, 2014, 08:37:15 AMQuote from: thecaffeinatedone on Nov 12, 2014, 06:41:40 AMYes actually, the first film has Eggmorphing to explain its eggs.
No it doesn't.
Eggmorphing didn't exist in the franchise until the Director's Cut in 2003.
Posted by thecaffeinatedone
- Nov 12, 2014, 06:41:40 AMQuote from: Nightlord
An alien morphed into one
The Alien that came from Foster? Cameron states that an Alien needs to be nursed by other Aliens to become a Queen. This statement goes hand in hand with Aliens, given that it wasn't just Newt's dad that got infected and there were already multiple aliens beforehand to establish a nest and nurse a young alien into a Queen. A lone Alien suddenly morphing into a Queen, however, is an unstable claim to make and it has never been demonstrated in the movies or even given as part of the series canon.
Quote from: Nightlord
...or if you want to go the royal facehugger route..
All we know from the films is that the Queen can presumably carry an insurance egg that can both lay a normal alien and a queen. The problem is is that Foster's facehugger isn't mentioned escaping or mutating in any of the audiologs. It also looks like a normal Facehugger, not the Royal Facehugger we've seen in the behind the scenes stills of Alien 3.
Quote from: Nightlord
..first alien made one of those
Which would mean an unexplained landmark life cycle mechanic that allows a lone drone to make a royal facehugger. Again, not part of the series canon.
Quote from: NightlordJust because the source of the eggs isn't shown doesn't mean there's a problem, there's no source for the eggs in Alien within the context of just that movie either.
Yes actually, the first film has Eggmorphing to explain its eggs.
The fact that the Queen was or wasn't shown isn't the main problem, it's her not fitting in to the overall context of the story period.
Posted by Kel G 426
- Nov 12, 2014, 04:29:03 AMI think the creators favored eggmorphing but didn't want to contradict Aliens outright, especially when Amanda was their protagonist.
Posted by Nightlord
- Nov 12, 2014, 04:08:30 AMQuote from: thecaffeinatedone on Nov 11, 2014, 09:56:20 PMAn alien morphed into one, or if you want to go the royal facehugger route then the first alien made one of those.Quote from: Nightlord on Nov 11, 2014, 09:17:38 PMQuote from: thecaffeinatedone on Nov 11, 2014, 08:49:16 PMWhat?Quote from: HuDaFuK on Nov 10, 2014, 12:45:31 PMQuote from: Kelgaard on Nov 10, 2014, 12:43:02 PMSo I'm guessing now that egg morphing is heavily implied? Since we see a hive and numerous eggs but no queen?
Not really. A Queen is just as plausible.
i.e. We never see explicit evidence of either.
Why is a Queen just as plausible when there's only one Alien? :pSpoiler
There's a load of aliens, at least seven appear if you count the group shot towards the end and the guy you get rid of.[close]
:p That's not what I meant. I meant how did it go fromSpoiler
only one alien to being a hive with multiple aliens? How did this mystery queen appear?[close]
Just because the source of the eggs isn't shown doesn't mean there's a problem, there's no source for the eggs in Alien within the context of just that movie either.
Quote from: Kelgaard on Nov 12, 2014, 03:50:23 AMBusy creating the hive perhaps.
Another question is why weren't those other aliens running around earlier? Why was it just the one?
Posted by Xenomrph
- Nov 12, 2014, 03:53:26 AMQuote from: HuDaFuK on Nov 10, 2014, 12:45:31 PMThat's kind of a shame.Quote from: Kelgaard on Nov 10, 2014, 12:43:02 PMSo I'm guessing now that egg morphing is heavily implied? Since we see a hive and numerous eggs but no queen?
Not really. A Queen is just as plausible.
i.e. We never see explicit evidence of either.
Posted by Kel G 426
- Nov 12, 2014, 03:50:23 AMAnother question is why weren't those other aliens running around earlier? Why was it just the one?
