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I challenge you to share the best way to make a third Alien prequel, in a way that you can please most of the fans (https://i.imgur.com/WQLrQ03.png)

Let Scott make the movie he wants with no/minimal studio interference.

Quote from: InterAlien on Mar 22, 2020, 04:41:29 PM
Let Scott make the movie he wants with no/minimal studio interference.

I agree.

Also, I doubt it'll happen, but I'm really hoping for a longer runtime.

Quote from: Immortan Jonesy on Mar 22, 2020, 04:19:47 PM
I challenge you to share the best way to make a third Alien prequel, in a way that you can please most of the fans https://i.imgur.com/WQLrQ03.png

Boy, that's a great question. And a tough one imo!

Firstly, 'PROMETHEUS' and 'ALIEN Covenant's biggest problem was their truncated running time. Despite other issues these movies may have, the theatrical releases cut too much content from them. When fan edits are better than original release that not only indicates a problem exists - but it can be solved.  I am still hoping one day 2oth Century Studios will release more complete versions of both of these movies to home media. I think it's inevitable. Audiences can cope with a longer run time. The idea of 3 hour long movies isn't new and audiences will go see them if the movie is worth the additional running length. Can 3hour movies be profitable? Isn't 'Titanic' 3 hours long? I think that movie did well for itself; as did all the 'Lord of the Rings' adventures.

Secondly, the main problems these movies have could have been solved with better dialogue.  Much of dialog in 'PROMETHEUS' middle act is dreadful at best. It needed some serious script doctoring to make Fifield and Millburn credible. These two characters needed a complete makeover. Retain the plot line as that was fine in both movies.  'ALIEN Covenant' had much better dialogue but there were definitely some wasted moments.  One that comes to mind was the descent of Lander One onto the surface. Instead of dick and tit jokes, one of the characters could have read out results from atmospheric readings stating. "Yep. Just as the descent drone recorded.  Nitrogen, 78%. Oxygen, 21%. Argon, 1%. Trace amounts of other elements. No readings on any hazardous microscopic organisms hazardous to humans."  Simple really.  Dialogue of that nature would solve a lot of that movie's biggest criticisms.  Nope, instead we get "Sugar dick" gags. smh.

Thirdly, a retcon is 100% out of the question. If you want to appease most fans then all extant movies must somehow be honoured. There are a lot of 'ALIEN3' and 'Resurrection' fans out there. They would also have to be considered if you want to appease all the fans. So this is definitely going to be tricky. Personally, I think it can be done. Taking the first 2 criteria above into account a decent story that connects the prequels to ALIEN' is possible. It will need to explain the connection between the Engineers and the Space Jockey.  It will need to make use of the enticing ending of 'ALIEN Covenant' in a meaningful way - what is David's intention with the implied army of Aliens he is about to create? I don't think he's heading to Origae 6, that's for sure. What use would David have with his army on an uncolonised world? No. He's heading to a human settlement, that's for sure.

With this in mind, the set up for a massive conflict between colonial forces and thousands of Aliens is definitely implied. We need a big combat movie in the series now.  It's been way too long since 'ALIENS' hit the big screen. Satisfy the audience with a sprawling action epic between Humans and Aliens and half the work is over. From this point onwards, you're just filling the gaps.

At some point, the Engineers will have to re-enter the story. There's too many trailing leads remaining to not address these important characters in a much greater story. Eventually, they must catch up to David - and there's another struggle to be resolved. I'd have David engage in dialogue with one of them. Violence isn't his preferred method of engagement - politics is. So, he would trick an Engineer into leaving a defeated colony world. The Engineers can have the survivors. The Engineer and David make a pact he can have the planet - but never leave it. Little would the Engineer realise he has been infected.

The Engineer leave David's new world with the colonial survivors aboard his vessel, with the intention of taking them to an undisclosed destination. During the flight, an Alien erupts from the Engineer and the ship crashes on LV-426 with all the human survivors trapped inside the hold of the ship.  Every single one of them is eggmorphed.  That's a reasonable way to connect these movies.

After this incident, David commences to transform his new found world into a hive planet. The Alien hive world comes into being and colonial forces are on their way to find out what happened to their world.

Cue next 'ALIEN' movie.

Personally, I believe a story along these lines ticks enough boxes to appeal to a majority of fans. Maybe not all. Haters gonna hate no matter what happens. Something like this needs to happen now.  The next movie has to embrace components from the prequels and the movies from last century. In order to do so, it's got to bring the current story arc to a close and bridge the gap between 'ALIEN Covenant' and 'ALIEN'. Have Blomkamp direct it.  He's got the technical expertise and just needs a script to work with. 

-Windebieste.

Although I agree with nearly all of the above hypothesis just let the "ancient aliens" nonsense stay dead, let David, believing itself the creator, discover the LV-426 Derelict exactly as it is far predating any form of humanity. Let the revelation fully unravel the Artificial Intelligence, he's not truly unique as he currently believes, it's all happened before, the "Perfect Organism" combination of organic and synthetic existed before and it's the Alien.

Quote from: Fiendishly Inventive on Mar 22, 2020, 09:32:54 PM
Although I agree with nearly all of the above hypothesis

I really don't dig the open war between humans & aliens concept. It really, really screws up the continuity and kills the mystique.
I do agree however that the Engineers should come back (and with a vengeance) to deal with David (followed by getting rid of the rest of us, because we're narcissist hi-tech caveman monkeys).

The outcome of that encounter should lead to or at least give us a hunch to why the universe is so dead, desolate and empty in the original ALIEN movies, and to why governments and corporations seem to have little to none knowledge about the Xenomorphs and the Engineers.

Quotejust let the "ancient aliens" nonsense stay dead,

I agree with this 100%.

Quotelet David, believing itself the creator, discover the LV-426 Derelict exactly as it is far predating any form of humanity. Let the revelation fully unravel the Artificial Intelligence, he's not truly unique as he currently believes, it's all happened before, the "Perfect Organism" combination of organic and synthetic existed before and it's the Alien.

This I love! I can almost see the reaction and existential crisis of David when he realizes that he can't truly create after all.

I like the idea of David being the creator, but I do think the revelation that David didn't create shit would be a great emotional addition to his downfall.

I'd like Ridley involved, but I do think he needs a little supervision on continuity, because I'm not sure how much he cares about that.

I'm pretty much open to anything for a conclusion at this point. I have such little hope that Disney's going to prioritize this franchise at all, especially after the COVID-19 losses. We'll be lucky to get a blurb in a lore book.

Perhaps a compromise: the Engineers advanced to point that they have a non-linear perception of time (like the "aliens" from Interstellar or the septopods from Arrival) and created the aliens in the ancient past after "seeing" David do it first in their distant future.  Try to wrap your minds around that.

Next film opens with a WY meeting discussing what to do about David, following his 'Olive branch' message in the Advent extra.
They view him as a dangerous psychopath who must be stopped but are also intrigued by what he's been up to. Although instead of sending humans to hunt him down they send an army of Androids provided by Hyperdyne Systems model 120-A/2 synthetics to be continued...

I'm referring to the relationship between Engineer and Humanity as the "ancient aliens" stuff, meaning I fundamentally believe the former's got to go completely, and ultimately also David. I also don't care for the idea of a world war between the factions myself it is possible but to work it requires everything done completely correctly, as for the idea of the Artificial Intelligence being unravelled, we already know he's got authorship incorrect once, perhaps he's got authorship of the "Perfect Organism" incorrect, something brought into existence before Engineer, Humanity, the Pathogen or perhaps even Pilot.

What I think they shouldn't do is giving it someone else to direct. Let's be honest - it's Ridley's vision, his story and ideas and I want it concluded with him still in charge. But give him a damn good writter and someone to challenge his opinion and say that scientists should wear protective gear.

Quote from: Kradan on Mar 23, 2020, 10:50:45 AM
What I think they shouldn't do is giving it someone else to direct. Let's be honest - it's Ridley's vision, his story and ideas and I want it concluded with him still in charge. But give him a damn good writter and someone to challenge his opinion and say that scientists should wear protective gear.

:laugh:

This!

I think they should leave the prequel ideas. IMO, it will be better (and will give a new round to the Alien universe) if the third film will be located in the future. After AR. Let David stay on Origae-6 and create-evolve his dreams. And then he will return to exterminate humanity with the creatures of his ultimate prefect dreams - with ultramorphs.

Although interesting, I don't see it pleasing everyone, or anyone. It's the "it's a Predator but it's the ultimate Predator!" all over, "it's a Alien but it's the ultimate Alien!" I think people don't care for the idea, certainly not anymore anyway.

Well, the idea of ultramorph is much older than the ultimate predator. I don't like to compare them. Besides, if we draw parallels, I don't like the idea that aliens will kill each other or "earlier versions" (like predator and super predators, predator and ultimate/upgrade predator). IMO, this is a very dumb way to show the power and coolness of a new monster. Anyway, let's leave it for the Predators ;) I think it would be better if aliens, on the contrary, cooperate with each other (I mean other subspecies and "earlier versions").

I don't look at ultramorphs as the ultimate species. They are just different. Xenomoprphs from Aliens was a warriors, well, soldiers - a kind of regular army. But ultramorphs can be like special forces. Other skills, behavior, tactical decisions. At least they will not die in the hundreds in an attempt to break through deadly turrets. xD

Perhaps then, if done correctly though, and we get to see all "three types" of Alien "starting points" working alongside each other.

By the third type, do you mean a neomorph?

On the one hand, I would like to see the battle between xenomorph and neomorph in AC. On the other hand, I'm glad that this scene was not in the film. I want to say - why should they fight with each other?

To get a good 3rd prequel they need to retcon Prometheus & Covenant,  the biggest problem with these 2 was that they didnt give "the fans" what they wanted from the Space Jockey and the mystery of the derelict,  atleast thats the impression i always get.

Even though I might not even want another one. For me leave Ridley out of anything related to writing and try to retcon the most controversial stuff from the previous ones. Make an alien movie. Not ancient astronaut propaganda. Not about an AI vs human story.

Make its own thing and don't tie to retcon stuff from the original movies.

The only thing that could please most fans is if at least they could bring the original alien design back.

@Drukathi
https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/index.php?topic=63237.msg2445294#msg2445294
Here's exactly the way the titular Alien directly opposes the Pathogen creations.

Quote from: windebieste on Mar 22, 2020, 09:12:15 PM
The Engineer leave David's new world with the colonial survivors aboard his vessel, with the intention of taking them to an undisclosed destination. During the flight, an Alien erupts from the Engineer and the ship crashes on LV-426 with all the human survivors trapped inside the hold of the ship.  Every single one of them is eggmorphed.  That's a reasonable way to connect these movies. 
-Windebieste.

Arnold Böcklin's Isle of the Dead is referenced in the Engineers cathedral. I like to think that the art honored in the movie can give us clues to the sequel. For example in the case of Isle of the Dead, one of the interpretations is that the oarsman it's a representation of Charon, the boatman who ferries souls to the underworld through the waters of the river Acheron (which is another name for LV-426) in Greek mythology.


With that in mind, I like to think that the Space Jockey is our ferryman Charon transporting the lost souls of the Covenant crew aboard his spaceship. Eggmorphing can return as a more creepy method in the Alien's lifecycle, with a Gargantuan Ultramorph turning the colonists into Ovomorphs.

Quote from: Fiendishly Inventive on Mar 22, 2020, 09:32:54 PM
Although I agree with nearly all of the above hypothesis just let the "ancient aliens" nonsense stay dead, let David, believing itself the creator, discover the LV-426 Derelict exactly as it is far predating any form of humanity. Let the revelation fully unravel the Artificial Intelligence, he's not truly unique as he currently believes, it's all happened before, the "Perfect Organism" combination of organic and synthetic existed before and it's the Alien.

That's probably my favorite hypothetical outcome. Our beloved unreliable narrator being shocked at such a revelation. It would be like in "At the Monuntaing of Madness". David is narcissistic and megalomaniac. I can't think of a better conclusion for his arc  8)

Quote from: Local Trouble on Mar 23, 2020, 03:58:09 AM
Perhaps a compromise: the Engineers advanced to point that they have a non-linear perception of time (like the "aliens" from Interstellar or the septopods from Arrival) and created the aliens in the ancient past after "seeing" David do it first in their distant future.  Try to wrap your minds around that.

Now this is the kind of twists that I like in science fiction. I suppose that beings who perceive time non-linearly have a more omniscient point of view. But it could be more paradoxical: Engineers created the Alien in the past thanks to David's prototype in the future. However, the black goo (which David used to create his Alien) was obtained from the Engineers' Alien. That is to say: The Alien of the Engineers cannot exist without the actions of David and the Alien of David cannot exist without the Alien of the Engineers because the Black Goo comes from there. It seems like a time travel paradox  :laugh:

Quote from: Drukathi on Mar 23, 2020, 08:18:19 PM
I think they should leave the prequel ideas. IMO, it will be better (and will give a new round to the Alien universe) if the third film will be located in the future. After AR. Let David stay on Origae-6 and create-evolve his dreams. And then he will return to exterminate humanity with the creatures of his ultimate prefect dreams - with ultramorphs.

Although it is not my favorite hypothetical setting, I find it interesting. I've even thought about David meeting Ripley 8. Actually in another  recent thread (https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/index.php?topic=63439.msg2456555#msg2456555), and following the OP's thoughts, I have speculated that Giger's land might be in the future and not in the ancient past. The OP mentions that Giger's art is a vision of the future and not of the past. I read elsewhere that nuclear weapons and war served as inspiration. With that in mind, I can portrait in my mind lifeforms that evolved to become biomechanical in nature, through bizarre sexual reproduction mechanism, in order to survive a hostile environment. Giger's Übermensch so to speak  :P :P

@Drukathi
https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/index.php?topic=63236.msg2445293#msg2445293
Here's exactly the way the Pathogen creations directly opposes the titular Alien.

Quote from: Fiendishly Inventive on Mar 25, 2020, 02:38:44 AM
@Drukathi
https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/index.php?topic=63236.msg2445293#msg2445293
Here's exactly the way the Pathogen creations directly opposes the titular Alien.

That has to be the best synthesis I've seen so far. You should make a blog.

Thank you, perhaps so, I think entries probably sparse though. 

I guess so. It's an amazing, useful and well putting together piece of information.

Quote from: Samhain13 on Mar 24, 2020, 11:54:01 AM
The only thing that could please most fans is if at least they could bring the original alien design back.

I strongly agree with that. After all, we haven't seen that design since 1979. Alien Isolation was the closest, but it's not the same. Furthermore, the original Alien is the most beautiful of all.

I really like the Isolation interpretation of the original design, I'm up for seeing something similar done with not just the Drone, but also the Warrior and Runner and Defender.

The Isolation design got the most important aspect super wrong - the face. It's the most iconic part of the original, since it's what we see the most of, and they gave it this ridiculous broad, flat design. Bleurgh.

I think it got changed to fall in line with more modern horror sensibilities, not necessarily a completely good or bad thing, I know one 20th Century F/S consultant who resides here interpreted one design for the other.

Simplest answer?

Everything they did in the other two movies, just don't do any of that stuff again.

How hard could it be anymore? They basically now have the entire playbook of everything not to do.

You know those Walter/David scenes that were too weird for some people? Double down on stuff like that, and a third prequel is off to a good start. 8)

Syncest: The Movie

I don't see 20th Century F/S doing any of the more interesting stuff again, I expect something just competent rooted in nostalgia, I just hope it's in a respectful way.

Quote from: SiL on Mar 25, 2020, 01:23:57 PM
The Isolation design got the most important aspect super wrong - the face. It's the most iconic part of the original, since it's what we see the most of, and they gave it this ridiculous broad, flat design. Bleurgh.

Sometimes I feel you have to throw controversial statement for thе sake of it. I don't have any problem with Stompy's close-up look.

I don't know if that's fair.

Quote from: Kradan on Mar 26, 2020, 12:19:34 PM
. I don't have any problem with Stompy's close-up look.

More power to you :)

(https://thumbs.gfycat.com/HairyAdvancedHowlermonkey-size_restricted.gif)

I detect irony!!! Beep, beep, beep ! Err.

That ain't it, Alanis.

Quote from: SM on Mar 26, 2020, 09:15:02 PM
That ain't it, Alanis.

I don't get that reference. Who is it ?

Quote from: Kradan on Mar 26, 2020, 12:19:34 PM

Quote from: SiL on Mar 25, 2020, 01:23:57 PM
The Isolation design got the most important aspect super wrong - the face. It's the most iconic part of the original, since it's what we see the most of, and they gave it this ridiculous broad, flat design. Bleurgh.

Sometimes I feel you have to throw controversial statement for thе sake of it. I don't have any problem with Stompy's close-up look.

I don't know if it's the jaw, but there is something I don't like in the face of the Sevastopol Alien. Also the hind limbs  :-\

Quote from: Kradan on Mar 26, 2020, 09:18:29 PM

Quote from: SM on Mar 26, 2020, 09:15:02 PM
That ain't it, Alanis.

I don't get that reference. Who is it ?

A song called Ironic by Alanis Morissette that features things that aren't actually ironic but just bad luck and oh my god that song is now 25 years old...  :-\

Yeah I think stompy looks great, I never had an issue with the jaw like Sil.

Quote from: Fiendishly Inventive on Mar 26, 2020, 03:08:46 AM
I don't see 20th Century F/S doing any of the more interesting stuff again, I expect something just competent rooted in nostalgia, I just hope it's in a respectful way.

I agree. Even If we get any kind of Alien movie (prequel, sequel, soft reboot), I think it is very likely they will play safe with the IP. Not risky ideas. No more experiments. As long as they do it right, it should not be a bad thing. At least in theory.

Quote from: Kradan on Mar 26, 2020, 08:53:37 PM
I detect irony!!! Beep, beep, beep ! Err.

Do you mean sarcasm?

I think you're right.

Quote from: Immortan Jonesy on Mar 27, 2020, 02:50:31 AM

Quote from: Fiendishly Inventive on Mar 26, 2020, 03:08:46 AM
I don't see 20th Century F/S doing any of the more interesting stuff again, I expect something just competent rooted in nostalgia, I just hope it's in a respectful way.

I agree. Even If we get any kind of Alien movie (prequel, sequel, soft reboot), I think it is very likely they will play safe with the IP. Not risky ideas. No more experiments. As long as they do it right, it should not be a bad thing. At least in theory.

I concur.

Quote from: Kradan on Mar 26, 2020, 12:19:34 PM

Quote from: SiL on Mar 25, 2020, 01:23:57 PM
The Isolation design got the most important aspect super wrong - the face. It's the most iconic part of the original, since it's what we see the most of, and they gave it this ridiculous broad, flat design. Bleurgh.

Sometimes I feel you have to throw controversial statement for thе sake of it.

But he's right.

Just give me a field of writhing dongs and plenty of 'em.  ;D

Quote from: SiL on Mar 27, 2020, 03:42:53 AM

Quote from: Kradan on Mar 26, 2020, 08:53:37 PM
I detect irony!!! Beep, beep, beep ! Err.

Do you mean sarcasm?

You've got what I mean

Boys.

Quote from: Kradan on Mar 27, 2020, 07:02:49 AM
You've got what I mean

No sarcasm intended! It would be much better to see the design and not care, or better, to like it, than to be bugged by something ultimately irrelevant.

Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Mar 27, 2020, 08:37:26 AM
Boys.

Ok, I'll behave

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Quote from: SiL on Mar 27, 2020, 09:30:56 AM

Quote from: Kradan on Mar 27, 2020, 07:02:49 AM
You've got what I mean

No sarcasm intended! It would be much better to see the design and not care, or better, to like it, than to be bugged by something ultimately irrelevant.

I'm sorry. I just hold the game very close to my heart and when people say something bad about it I tend to take it too personal and act quite irrationally. I really don't see any problems with Stompy's face. You can't really see it in much detail unless you get caught and even then it's only couple seconds and black screen

You guys always getting stuck on the physical. I always try to seek out the Xenomorph's inner beauty, and see if it has a good sense of humor.

That's ... actually a good approach

Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Mar 27, 2020, 11:55:26 AM
You guys always getting stuck on the physical. I always try to seek out the Xenomorph's inner beauty, and see if it has a good sense of humor.

There is no inner beauty in the crabators ???

Quote from: Immortan Jonesy on Mar 27, 2020, 07:52:37 PM

Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Mar 27, 2020, 11:55:26 AM
You guys always getting stuck on the physical. I always try to seek out the Xenomorph's inner beauty, and see if it has a good sense of humor.

There is no inner beauty in the crabators ???

No way. They're evil. Especially the tiny ones. Do you know how tiny Crabators move on from one person to the next?

Spoiler

They use pubic transport

Spoiler

(https://media.tenor.com/images/03b10d726fefc79cb4a6a90eada65792/tenor.gif)

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Quote from: Fiendishly Inventive on Mar 22, 2020, 09:32:54 PM
Although I agree with nearly all of the above hypothesis just let the "ancient aliens" nonsense stay dead, let David, believing itself the creator, discover the LV-426 Derelict exactly as it is far predating any form of humanity. Let the revelation fully unravel the Artificial Intelligence, he's not truly unique as he currently believes, it's all happened before, the "Perfect Organism" combination of organic and synthetic existed before and it's the Alien.

That's great. I really like the idea of David discovering he's not the god he believed himself to be. If this could tie in with the Engineers being part of some kind of corporate hoax then I'd be happy. Something that would destroy the "ancient aliens" nonsense and at the same time add more to how big the conspiracy within Weyland-Yutani is. I think I wrote it in a previous thread before, but I'd like it to come out that the Engineers are like "Replicant" type things that were sent in advance, by WY or another company, to pre-terraform worlds. Some discovered a crashed Space Jockey ship and decided maybe there's more to the universe and tried to become their own thing. Perhaps there's controversy about sending these somewhat sentient beings into space to colonise worlds on the quiet.

Quote from: irn on Mar 28, 2020, 06:30:27 PM

Quote from: Fiendishly Inventive on Mar 22, 2020, 09:32:54 PM
Although I agree with nearly all of the above hypothesis just let the "ancient aliens" nonsense stay dead, let David, believing itself the creator, discover the LV-426 Derelict exactly as it is far predating any form of humanity. Let the revelation fully unravel the Artificial Intelligence, he's not truly unique as he currently believes, it's all happened before, the "Perfect Organism" combination of organic and synthetic existed before and it's the Alien.

That's great. I really like the idea of David discovering he's not the god he believed himself to be. If this could tie in with the Engineers being part of some kind of corporate hoax then I'd be happy. Something that would destroy the "ancient aliens" nonsense and at the same time add more to how big the conspiracy within Weyland-Yutani is. I think I wrote it in a previous thread before, but I'd like it to come out that the Engineers are like "Replicant" type things that were sent in advance, by WY or another company, to pre-terraform worlds. Some discovered a crashed Space Jockey ship and decided maybe there's more to the universe and tried to become their own thing. Perhaps there's controversy about sending these somewhat sentient beings into space to colonise worlds on the quiet.

They should explain that everything is an Ancient Conspiracy (https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/AncientConspiracy). So the Engineers are genetically engineered super humans, created by Weyland Yutani in the future as part of a secret terraforming project using Space Jockey technology, which was obtained from never-before-seen artifacts (not the Derelict) made by the Mala'kak species: Non-carbon based life forms similar to pachyderms, capable of generating symbiosis with machines, sometimes altering space-time around them or even reality itself. They're not ancient, nor entities from a distant future. They just exist above everything.

Now back to the "Replicants", the experiment got out of control, triggering a transhumanism event were the Engineers become an unstoppable Posthuman civilization. They can perceive time in a non-linear way thanks to Mala'kak bioengineering. This makes them able to interact in the past, present and future. We are our own gods, and yet we are biased by our own arrogance. Building better worlds is our motto.


Then, our creation David discovers that the Derelict has been on LV-426 for millennia with the original Alien, which makes David another Ossian (https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/index.php?topic=62955.msg2432131#msg2432131)  ;) I'm looking forward to see that villain ego fall from the highest  :laugh:

Plus, in this "what if" scenario there might be some kind of City in a Bottle (https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/CityInABottle), so to speak. A background of the City Noir (https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/CityNoir) kind, which look like an in between Cyberpunk (https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/Cyberpunk) & Biopunk (https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/BioPunk) world; where the Engineers are being born. A setting like the one featured in the movie Dark City. Or even something like Blade Runner meet BioShock  8)

Nah cyborg sex and horror is where it's at baby  ;D.


https://www.wired.com/2010/02/hr-gigers-cyborg-horror-merges-sex-tech-legend/

Quote from: Necronomicon II on Mar 29, 2020, 04:33:16 AM
Nah cyborg sex and horror is where it's at baby  ;D.

So David is a male Sexbot? Doesn't this mean Daniels is destined to die by snus snus like Lambert?

Quote from: Necronomicon II on Mar 29, 2020, 04:33:16 AM
https://www.wired.com/2010/02/hr-gigers-cyborg-horror-merges-sex-tech-legend/

Added to favorites. Thank you  8)

Quote from: Necronomicon II on Mar 27, 2020, 04:53:51 AM
Just give me a field of writhing dongs and plenty of 'em.  ;D

Field of Writhing Dongs: The Movie

A new animated feature film from Dixar.

Only the juiciest for you sweets. :-*

How can you drink juice after writting all of this ?

I'm definitely for the idea of David "disappearing" for a few hundred years (between A:C and A:R) then to return about two decades after A:R. There would be so much potential in that setup and it would be a great way to tie the entire franchise together.

Like people already mentioned - picture David meeting Call (would he be jealous of her "humanity" and ability to procreate or would he look down on her?) or Ripley 8 (same thing here: would he cherish her existence or would he see her as a bastardized version of his work?). There is a lot of possibilities and material to be found and work with there.

Why did David come back? Where has he been? Did he come back to warn us about and help us against the Engineers that have been hunting him for hundreds of years? Or did he come back to finish what the Engineers started? They could even delve into the possibility that David thinks that he's only been gone for a few decades, as he traveled through some space/time anomaly, or hijacked yet another Engineer ship, able to travel along warped time?

In this type of scenario and setup the director has more leeway and freedom as he/she doesn't have to try to replicate the aesthetics and tech-level of previous movies as it is set in the far future. Wynona Ryder is quite popular again thanks to the Stranger Things show and an aged Call can be explained away with Call purposely configuring herself to look older to fit in better without people suspecting her for being an android/auton. Ripley 8's age can be camouflaged by having her slowly morphing into something more Alien-like as the Xenomorph DNA is stronger than the human DNA (or something like that).

Also, a lot of us seem to want to see David's ego crushed, revealing to him that he is NOT the creator of the Xenomorph after all. Picture David's reaction when R8 tells him that the real Ripley encountered the Xenomorph inside a DERELICT ship on LV-426 - fossilized and obviously tens of thousands, maybe even a million years old - which makes it impossible for David to be the creator. Heck, even R8's very existence would be a existential conundrum to begin with as she technically shouldn't exist, unless he assumes someone else got their hands on the black goo and by chance came up with the same formula as him, which in its turn would throw David into a wild paranoid talespin for sure.

The major downside to all of this is that there doesn't seem to be any kind of interest in the era that A:R takes place in. I mean to the casual viewer jumping from the PROM/A:C timeline to the A:R timeline would be quite confusing and connect to as it came out well over 20 years ago and didn't make much of an impact. I'm not sure the studio would be willing to take that risk.

Another downside is that the above concept can easily go awry and turn into pure superhero crap with R8 duking it out with buff Engineers, Ultramorphs and even David himself (enhanced by Engineer tech or whatever) with uncharacteristically "epic" battles between Aliens, humans, androids and Engineers take place. We'd might even see cheesy Alien vs. Alien fights between R8's xenos and David's xenos take place...

Anyways, IF handled correctly it could turn out into something that ties up enough loose ends to wrap up the saga. Then a couple of years from now Disney can reboot the franchise and start over if they want to...

Quote from: Kradan on Mar 29, 2020, 12:11:18 PM
How can you drink juice after writting all of this ?

Yes, "juice"  :laugh: ;) :-*

Quote from: SpreadEagleBeagle on Mar 30, 2020, 01:02:23 AM
I'm definitely for the idea of David "disappearing" for a few hundred years (between A:C and A:R) then to return about two decades after A:R. There would be so much potential in that setup and it would be a great way to tie the entire franchise together.

Like people already mentioned - picture David meeting Call (would he be jealous of her "humanity" and ability to procreate or would he look down on her?) or Ripley 8 (same thing here: would he cherish her existence or would he see her as a bastardized version of his work?). There is a lot of possibilities and material to be found and work with there.

Why did David come back? Where has he been? Did he come back to warn us about and help us against the Engineers that have been hunting him for hundreds of years? Or did he come back to finish what the Engineers started? They could even delve into the possibility that David thinks that he's only been gone for a few decades, as he traveled through some space/time anomaly, or hijacked yet another Engineer ship, able to travel along warped time?

In this type of scenario and setup the director has more leeway and freedom as he/she doesn't have to try to replicate the aesthetics and tech-level of previous movies as it is set in the far future. Wynona Ryder is quite popular again thanks to the Stranger Things show and an aged Call can be explained away with Call purposely configuring herself to look older to fit in better without people suspecting her for being an android/auton. Ripley 8's age can be camouflaged by having her slowly morphing into something more Alien-like as the Xenomorph DNA is stronger than the human DNA (or something like that).

Also, a lot of us seem to want to see David's ego crushed, revealing to him that he is NOT the creator of the Xenomorph after all. Picture David's reaction when R8 tells him that the real Ripley encountered the Xenomorph inside a DERELICT ship on LV-426 - fossilized and obviously tens of thousands, maybe even a million years old - which makes it impossible for David to be the creator. Heck, even R8's very existence would be a existential conundrum to begin with as she technically shouldn't exist, unless he assumes someone else got their hands on the black goo and by chance came up with the same formula as him, which in its turn would throw David into a wild paranoid talespin for sure.

The major downside to all of this is that there doesn't seem to be any kind of interest in the era that A:R takes place in. I mean to the casual viewer jumping from the PROM/A:C timeline to the A:R timeline would be quite confusing and connect to as it came out well over 20 years ago and didn't make much of an impact. I'm not sure the studio would be willing to take that risk.

Another downside is that the above concept can easily go awry and turn into pure superhero crap with R8 duking it out with buff Engineers, Ultramorphs and even David himself (enhanced by Engineer tech or whatever) with uncharacteristically "epic" battles between Aliens, humans, androids and Engineers take place. We'd might even see cheesy Alien vs. Alien fights between R8's xenos and David's xenos take place...

Anyways, IF handled correctly it could turn out into something that ties up enough loose ends to wrap up the saga. Then a couple of years from now Disney can reboot the franchise and start over if they want to...

Oh boy, If I were the Admin I would have made you a global moderator for such an interesting reply. Thumbs up pal!  ;D

Now back to the topic, I find this idea interesting. In fact someone (I think @Drukathi) someone suggested that it would take David a lot of years to create his "army of Aliens" so to speak, while doing experiments on Origae 6. Imagine the syhthetic guy preparing himself to invade Earth, and once there he meet Ripley 8 and see her a bastardization of his "Creation". Plus he complains for the horrendous Alien Resurrection design: "Look what you have done with my Perfect Organism!". Then he learns by Ripley 8 that the real Deal was on LV-426. He had nothing to do with it, so his ego crashes from the highest to be totally destroyed. The robot went nuts and things start to descend to madness form there. Maybe we need a French director to achieve that.  :laugh:

I can portrait as well a self-exiled David, having an existential crisis after discovering the Derelict with the original Alien centuries before Resurrection. I.E after Covenant. He then decides to end his exile and return to Earth where he meets Ripley and Cal. I can even imagine Ripley 8 finding a destroyed David (by his own creation or an Engineer) and reactivating him again ala Bishop in Alien³.

Quote from: Immortan Jonesy on Mar 30, 2020, 07:12:56 AM
Now back to the topic, I find this idea interesting. In fact someone (I think @Drukathi) someone suggested that it would take David a lot of years to create his "army of Aliens" so to speak, while doing experiments on Origae 6. Imagine the syhthetic guy preparing himself to invade Earth, and once there he meet Ripley 8 and see her a bastardization of his "Creation". Plus he complains for the horrendous Alien Resurrection design: "Look what you have done with my Perfect Organism!". Then he learns by Ripley 8 that the real Deal was on LV-426. He had nothing to do with it, so his ego crashes from the highest to be totally destroyed. The robot went nuts and things start to descend to madness form there. Maybe we need a French director to achieve that.  :laugh:

I can portrait as well a self-exiled David, having an existential crisis after discovering the Derelict with the original Alien centuries before Resurrection. I.E after Covenant. He then decides to end his exile and return to Earth where he meets Ripley and Cal. I can even imagine Ripley 8 finding a destroyed David (by his own creation or an Engineer) and reactivating him again ala Bishop in Alien³.

Yup, having post-A:R as the setting for the A:C sequel has a lot of potential and oh so many options without risking to screw around with continuity.

Once he becomes tired of freedom, David returns to Earth a couple of centuries later (post Alien Resurrection). He sees that Paris has been deserted. He doesn't looks like Michael Fassbender anymore though. He is rather David's consciousness loaded in an Engineer robot. During his quest to find perfection, the synthetic man has lived too many dangerous adventures that leaded him to adopt his current physical condition.

This is the list of expectations we have about the final prequel to Alien (I will give my personal expectations then, this list is dedicated to general expectations):

What we will most likely see:

● Alien's expectations:
- The Derelict on LV-426, as well as related issues:
- Derelict: crashed or landed?
- The warning signal
- The birth of Space Jockey's Alien
- Where does the hole in the ground come from?
- Blue light : stasis or alarm?
- Eggs: transported or arranged after?

● Alien Covenant's expectations:
- Improvement for final appearance of Xenomorphs
- Alien Queen
- Why the Derelict crashes on LV-426, coincidentally next to LV-223?

+ From Ridley Scott Synospis: Engineers will come back to Planet 4 and see what David has done and they will want revenge.

Possibilities:
- Logical justification that Daniels is Ripley's mother
- Logical justification of the long wait between the end and Alien (2112-2122)

My personal expectations:
- The Ultramorph coming out of Space Jockey. (From the time we talk about it or draw it, I want to see it)
- Death of everyone (I would really like this tradition of the surviving humans to stop, Daniels and Tennessee or the settlers, I wish everyone died)

I really hope that the film will be focused on David and the danger of IA for humanity. I want that the action to take place in the Covenant in the entire movie, except at the end for the Derelict. If we have a big hive in it, and at the end, the complete destruction of the Covenant, I will be satisfied. And I really like David so I hope he will not die. I imagine he could do like Ash in Out of the Shadows and be everywhere by transferring is memory in all the vessels of the franchise to see his work achieve, for eternity  :)

Have everyone involved in the project watch Alien, Aliens, Prometheus and Covenant 10 times each in 10 days. Start with that otherwise we'll be seeing pink tutu Aliens running around.

PS> Nice ideas and pics!

Pink tutu Michael Fassbender must be the most stylish thing since Alien 3.

How can you please as many fans as possible? It's a hell of a task since Ridley Scott's view of Space Jockey and Aliens are very underwhelming.

1. Hire good writer(s)
For interesting characters and realistic dialogue.

2. Better cutting
Never cut important scenes off the film, who only lasted some seconds or a few minutes. Especially when they gave explanation and insight of characters.
The Weyland speech, for example. Why would you cut this?

3. Alien looks biomechanical
Just hire an artist, who can do some biomechanical things on the Alien, that looks like Big Chap.
They weren't sued for the design in "Aliens". It can't be that hard.

4. Give the prequel series closure
No more cliffhangers for another movie, which might air another 5-10 years later. Ridley Scott had enough chances to tell his story with 2 movies and over 240 minutes.
The third movie shall be the last prequel.

5. Maybe hire another director
If the next movies title is "Alien Awakening", then please get another director. If this is supposed to be more about creators and AI again, then you're making the wrong movie.

6. Set a focus on something
David (AI), Mutant Queen Daniels, Space Jockey, Alien, Big Ultramorph, Humans and more different creatures just for the sake of it....this all is too much to pack into one movie.
It would be for the best they set main focus on the Alien, David and the Space Jockeys. No more black Goo creating random monsters, no "Godzilla", no mutant experiments.

7. Another Space Jockey type
Even if it's just for a short sequence. The fossiled and much bigger corpse looked so alien and they just turned it into a big boi human, who should rather be in Star Trek. I can't get over this. Romulans have their Remans. Just think of something, director.


So much for damage control. I can't think of any more at the moment. Sorry for bad english.
Maybe this one yet:

8. Bring Nicholas Cage
You know why. HUH?
He's a beast.  8)

Quote from: Stompy the Perfect Xeno on Apr 14, 2020, 11:53:32 PM
How can you please as many fans as possible? It's a hell of a task since Ridley Scott's view of Space Jockey and Aliens are very underwhelming.

It's not a hell task if you don't give too much free reing to Riddles. Too many chefs and a single pot I'd say  ;D

(https://i.imgur.com/DH4ooUl.gif)

Nah, but I mean the story. I think Scott shouldn't intervene as much with his vision, which we already know and while it's not bad ... it's not great either.  :-X

But I think if you set up a haunting atmosphere, Giger's Alien and at least one intense and cool military action sequence...you are on the right track. It's great to have new monsters and everything, but I think it's time to take back the roots of all this. I think you can have both though: the original concept plus some fresh stuff. As long there is good writting.

I still think it's possible to f**k the fans and make a solid story that has nothing to do with fandom fetishes.  :laugh:

It would be hated and perhaps not very profitable, but at least we could objectively say that it is a good movie. It is what Prometheus could have been with better writing and superior editing.  :P

Quote from: Stompy the Perfect Xeno on Apr 14, 2020, 11:53:32 PM
1. Hire good writer(s)
For interesting characters and realistic dialogue.

it's the best they can do at this point. Hell! I'd say that it is the best thing to do under any circumstances.  :P

Quote from: Stompy the Perfect Xeno on Apr 14, 2020, 11:53:32 PM
2. Better cutting
Never cut important scenes off the film, who only lasted some seconds or a few minutes. Especially when they gave explanation and insight of characters.
The Weyland speech, for example. Why would you cut this?

A notable detail of Prometheus is its edition. There are some fanedits that make that movie a little less tedious. About Weyland, I agree. The scene is powerful and superior to any scene from old Weyland. Sort of like the white room at the start of Covenat. You know, when we see David's first steps and all that. I'd like to see a whole movie based on that scene. Even if it had nothing to do with Alien at all.  :laugh:

Quote from: Stompy the Perfect Xeno on Apr 14, 2020, 11:53:32 PM
3. Alien looks biomechanical
Just hire an artist, who can do some biomechanical things on the Alien, that looks like Big Chap.
They weren't sued for the design in "Aliens". It can't be that hard.

Yes, of course. It is the healthiest thing to close the arc of the prequels.   :)

Quote from: Stompy the Perfect Xeno on Apr 14, 2020, 11:53:32 PM
4. Give the prequel series closure
No more cliffhangers for another movie, which might air another 5-10 years later. Ridley Scott had enough chances to tell his story with 2 movies and over 240 minutes.
The third movie shall be the last prequel.

I agree. Whether it's the end of David's arc, the connection to the Alien, or both (hopefully)...this whole trilogy needs a definitive conclusion.

Quote from: Stompy the Perfect Xeno on Apr 14, 2020, 11:53:32 PM
5. Maybe hire another director
If the next movies title is "Alien Awakening", then please get another director. If this is supposed to be more about creators and AI again, then you're making the wrong movie.

Although there is some curiosity in me about Scott's vision, I don't think another director and Ridley producing instead of directing is a bad idea whatsoever.

Quote from: Stompy the Perfect Xeno on Apr 14, 2020, 11:53:32 PM
6. Set a focus on something
David (AI), Mutant Queen Daniels, Space Jockey, Alien, Big Ultramorph, Humans and more different creatures just for the sake of it....this all is too much to pack into one movie.
It would be for the best they set main focus on the Alien, David and the Space Jockeys. No more black Goo creating random monsters, no "Godzilla", no mutant experiments.

Bring me all of that!  8)

But yeah! that suggestion sound rather clever. It need a focus and not just random nonsense all over the place. That would be too messy to handle, even to me.  :laugh:

Spoiler

Don't tell anyone but I love surreal nonsense. Also, I'm a pretentious boy  :-X :-X :-X

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Anyway, black goo went from being a magic wand that did whatever the director had in mind (Prometheus) to a true plot device which seems to have its own rules (Covenant). 

Quote from: Stompy the Perfect Xeno on Apr 14, 2020, 11:53:32 PM
7. Another Space Jockey type
Even if it's just for a short sequence. The fossiled and much bigger corpse looked so alien and they just turned it into a big boi human, who should rather be in Star Trek. I can't get over this. Romulans have their Remans. Just think of something, director.

In time, you will find out that you're not alone in that..@t all! Some of us prefer the idea of Engineers emulating the pilot from LV-426.  8)

Quote from: Stompy the Perfect Xeno on Apr 14, 2020, 11:53:32 PM
So much for damage control. I can't think of any more at the moment. Sorry for bad english.

Don't apologize. Just have fun!  :)

Quote from: Stompy the Perfect Xeno on Apr 14, 2020, 11:53:32 PM
Maybe this one yet:

8. Bring Nicholas Cage
You know why. HUH?
He's a beast.  8)

Ok you're alone with that one  :laugh:

Or maybe, just maybe not so alone huh?!

Spoiler

**may the Cage be with you all ;D **

(https://i.imgur.com/kM53mE3.jpg)

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Just imagined some scene.

Daniels is keeping David at gunpoint.
- David, you went too far! I will stop you.
Android smiles indulgently.
- David? Ah, yes, my predecessor. *sigh* I'm afraid he's already dead. He stayed on Planet 4, but gave me his legacy.

Quote from: Immortan Jonesy on Apr 15, 2020, 02:17:35 AM

Quote from: Stompy the Perfect Xeno on Apr 14, 2020, 11:53:32 PM
Maybe this one yet:

8. Bring Nicholas Cage
You know why. HUH?
He's a beast.  8)

Ok you're alone with that one  :laugh:

Or maybe, just maybe not so alone huh?!

Spoiler

**may the Cage be with you all ;D **

(https://i.imgur.com/kM53mE3.jpg)

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Just think about it.
After the first hostile encounter:

Aunt of Ripley: Are you ok?
Red Shirt: Yes.
Third Fassbender Android called Pyotr (Tschaikowski): I'm ok.
Cage character: *Rage Sound* Something trying to kill us, man!!! *Rage Sound*

Magnificent!  8)