Posted by Stompy the Perfect Xeno
- Apr 18, 2020, 11:13:42 PMQuote from: Immortan Jonesy on Apr 15, 2020, 02:17:35 AMQuote from: Stompy the Perfect Xeno on Apr 14, 2020, 11:53:32 PM
Maybe this one yet:
8. Bring Nicholas Cage
You know why. HUH?
He's a beast.
Ok you're alone with that one
Or maybe, just maybe not so alone huh?!Spoiler
**may the Cage be with you all**
[close]
Just think about it.
After the first hostile encounter:
Aunt of Ripley: Are you ok?
Red Shirt: Yes.
Third Fassbender Android called Pyotr (Tschaikowski): I'm ok.
Cage character: *Rage Sound* Something trying to kill us, man!!! *Rage Sound*
Magnificent!
Posted by Drukathi
- Apr 15, 2020, 04:45:28 PMJust imagined some scene.
Daniels is keeping David at gunpoint.
- David, you went too far! I will stop you.
Android smiles indulgently.
- David? Ah, yes, my predecessor. *sigh* I'm afraid he's already dead. He stayed on Planet 4, but gave me his legacy.
Daniels is keeping David at gunpoint.
- David, you went too far! I will stop you.
Android smiles indulgently.
- David? Ah, yes, my predecessor. *sigh* I'm afraid he's already dead. He stayed on Planet 4, but gave me his legacy.
Posted by Immortan Jonesy
- Apr 15, 2020, 02:17:35 AMQuote from: Stompy the Perfect Xeno on Apr 14, 2020, 11:53:32 PM
How can you please as many fans as possible? It's a hell of a task since Ridley Scott's view of Space Jockey and Aliens are very underwhelming.
It's not a hell task if you don't give too much free reing to Riddles. Too many chefs and a single pot I'd say
Nah, but I mean the story. I think Scott shouldn't intervene as much with his vision, which we already know and while it's not bad ... it's not great either.
But I think if you set up a haunting atmosphere, Giger's Alien and at least one intense and cool military action sequence...you are on the right track. It's great to have new monsters and everything, but I think it's time to take back the roots of all this. I think you can have both though: the original concept plus some fresh stuff. As long there is good writting.
I still think it's possible to f**k the fans and make a solid story that has nothing to do with fandom fetishes.
It would be hated and perhaps not very profitable, but at least we could objectively say that it is a good movie. It is what Prometheus could have been with better writing and superior editing.
Quote from: Stompy the Perfect Xeno on Apr 14, 2020, 11:53:32 PM
1. Hire good writer(s)
For interesting characters and realistic dialogue.
it's the best they can do at this point. Hell! I'd say that it is the best thing to do under any circumstances.
Quote from: Stompy the Perfect Xeno on Apr 14, 2020, 11:53:32 PM
2. Better cutting
Never cut important scenes off the film, who only lasted some seconds or a few minutes. Especially when they gave explanation and insight of characters.
The Weyland speech, for example. Why would you cut this?
A notable detail of Prometheus is its edition. There are some fanedits that make that movie a little less tedious. About Weyland, I agree. The scene is powerful and superior to any scene from old Weyland. Sort of like the white room at the start of Covenat. You know, when we see David's first steps and all that. I'd like to see a whole movie based on that scene. Even if it had nothing to do with Alien at all.
Quote from: Stompy the Perfect Xeno on Apr 14, 2020, 11:53:32 PM
3. Alien looks biomechanical
Just hire an artist, who can do some biomechanical things on the Alien, that looks like Big Chap.
They weren't sued for the design in "Aliens". It can't be that hard.
Yes, of course. It is the healthiest thing to close the arc of the prequels.
Quote from: Stompy the Perfect Xeno on Apr 14, 2020, 11:53:32 PM
4. Give the prequel series closure
No more cliffhangers for another movie, which might air another 5-10 years later. Ridley Scott had enough chances to tell his story with 2 movies and over 240 minutes.
The third movie shall be the last prequel.
I agree. Whether it's the end of David's arc, the connection to the Alien, or both (hopefully)...this whole trilogy needs a definitive conclusion.
Quote from: Stompy the Perfect Xeno on Apr 14, 2020, 11:53:32 PM
5. Maybe hire another director
If the next movies title is "Alien Awakening", then please get another director. If this is supposed to be more about creators and AI again, then you're making the wrong movie.
Although there is some curiosity in me about Scott's vision, I don't think another director and Ridley producing instead of directing is a bad idea whatsoever.
Quote from: Stompy the Perfect Xeno on Apr 14, 2020, 11:53:32 PM
6. Set a focus on something
David (AI), Mutant Queen Daniels, Space Jockey, Alien, Big Ultramorph, Humans and more different creatures just for the sake of it....this all is too much to pack into one movie.
It would be for the best they set main focus on the Alien, David and the Space Jockeys. No more black Goo creating random monsters, no "Godzilla", no mutant experiments.
Bring me all of that!
But yeah! that suggestion sound rather clever. It need a focus and not just random nonsense all over the place. That would be too messy to handle, even to me.
Spoiler
Don't tell anyone but I love surreal nonsense. Also, I'm a pretentious boy
[close]
Anyway, black goo went from being a magic wand that did whatever the director had in mind (Prometheus) to a true plot device which seems to have its own rules (Covenant).
Quote from: Stompy the Perfect Xeno on Apr 14, 2020, 11:53:32 PM
7. Another Space Jockey type
Even if it's just for a short sequence. The fossiled and much bigger corpse looked so alien and they just turned it into a big boi human, who should rather be in Star Trek. I can't get over this. Romulans have their Remans. Just think of something, director.
In time, you will find out that you're not alone in that..@t all! Some of us prefer the idea of Engineers emulating the pilot from LV-426.
Quote from: Stompy the Perfect Xeno on Apr 14, 2020, 11:53:32 PM
So much for damage control. I can't think of any more at the moment. Sorry for bad english.
Don't apologize. Just have fun!
Quote from: Stompy the Perfect Xeno on Apr 14, 2020, 11:53:32 PM
Maybe this one yet:
8. Bring Nicholas Cage
You know why. HUH?
He's a beast.
Ok you're alone with that one
Or maybe, just maybe not so alone huh?!
Spoiler
**may the Cage be with you all **
**[close]
Posted by Stompy the Perfect Xeno
- Apr 14, 2020, 11:53:32 PMHow can you please as many fans as possible? It's a hell of a task since Ridley Scott's view of Space Jockey and Aliens are very underwhelming.
1. Hire good writer(s)
For interesting characters and realistic dialogue.
2. Better cutting
Never cut important scenes off the film, who only lasted some seconds or a few minutes. Especially when they gave explanation and insight of characters.
The Weyland speech, for example. Why would you cut this?
3. Alien looks biomechanical
Just hire an artist, who can do some biomechanical things on the Alien, that looks like Big Chap.
They weren't sued for the design in "Aliens". It can't be that hard.
4. Give the prequel series closure
No more cliffhangers for another movie, which might air another 5-10 years later. Ridley Scott had enough chances to tell his story with 2 movies and over 240 minutes.
The third movie shall be the last prequel.
5. Maybe hire another director
If the next movies title is "Alien Awakening", then please get another director. If this is supposed to be more about creators and AI again, then you're making the wrong movie.
6. Set a focus on something
David (AI), Mutant Queen Daniels, Space Jockey, Alien, Big Ultramorph, Humans and more different creatures just for the sake of it....this all is too much to pack into one movie.
It would be for the best they set main focus on the Alien, David and the Space Jockeys. No more black Goo creating random monsters, no "Godzilla", no mutant experiments.
7. Another Space Jockey type
Even if it's just for a short sequence. The fossiled and much bigger corpse looked so alien and they just turned it into a big boi human, who should rather be in Star Trek. I can't get over this. Romulans have their Remans. Just think of something, director.
So much for damage control. I can't think of any more at the moment. Sorry for bad english.
Maybe this one yet:
8. Bring Nicholas Cage
You know why. HUH?
He's a beast.
1. Hire good writer(s)
For interesting characters and realistic dialogue.
2. Better cutting
Never cut important scenes off the film, who only lasted some seconds or a few minutes. Especially when they gave explanation and insight of characters.
The Weyland speech, for example. Why would you cut this?
3. Alien looks biomechanical
Just hire an artist, who can do some biomechanical things on the Alien, that looks like Big Chap.
They weren't sued for the design in "Aliens". It can't be that hard.
4. Give the prequel series closure
No more cliffhangers for another movie, which might air another 5-10 years later. Ridley Scott had enough chances to tell his story with 2 movies and over 240 minutes.
The third movie shall be the last prequel.
5. Maybe hire another director
If the next movies title is "Alien Awakening", then please get another director. If this is supposed to be more about creators and AI again, then you're making the wrong movie.
6. Set a focus on something
David (AI), Mutant Queen Daniels, Space Jockey, Alien, Big Ultramorph, Humans and more different creatures just for the sake of it....this all is too much to pack into one movie.
It would be for the best they set main focus on the Alien, David and the Space Jockeys. No more black Goo creating random monsters, no "Godzilla", no mutant experiments.
7. Another Space Jockey type
Even if it's just for a short sequence. The fossiled and much bigger corpse looked so alien and they just turned it into a big boi human, who should rather be in Star Trek. I can't get over this. Romulans have their Remans. Just think of something, director.
So much for damage control. I can't think of any more at the moment. Sorry for bad english.
Maybe this one yet:
8. Bring Nicholas Cage
You know why. HUH?
He's a beast.
Posted by Immortan Jonesy
- Apr 04, 2020, 02:36:59 AMPink tutu Michael Fassbender must be the most stylish thing since Alien 3.
Posted by Nostromo
- Apr 01, 2020, 05:41:48 PMHave everyone involved in the project watch Alien, Aliens, Prometheus and Covenant 10 times each in 10 days. Start with that otherwise we'll be seeing pink tutu Aliens running around.
PS> Nice ideas and pics!
PS> Nice ideas and pics!
Posted by Predator@Alien
- Apr 01, 2020, 05:17:37 PMThis is the list of expectations we have about the final prequel to Alien (I will give my personal expectations then, this list is dedicated to general expectations):
What we will most likely see:
● Alien's expectations:
- The Derelict on LV-426, as well as related issues:
- Derelict: crashed or landed?
- The warning signal
- The birth of Space Jockey's Alien
- Where does the hole in the ground come from?
- Blue light : stasis or alarm?
- Eggs: transported or arranged after?
● Alien Covenant's expectations:
- Improvement for final appearance of Xenomorphs
- Alien Queen
- Why the Derelict crashes on LV-426, coincidentally next to LV-223?
+ From Ridley Scott Synospis: Engineers will come back to Planet 4 and see what David has done and they will want revenge.
Possibilities:
- Logical justification that Daniels is Ripley's mother
- Logical justification of the long wait between the end and Alien (2112-2122)
My personal expectations:
- The Ultramorph coming out of Space Jockey. (From the time we talk about it or draw it, I want to see it)
- Death of everyone (I would really like this tradition of the surviving humans to stop, Daniels and Tennessee or the settlers, I wish everyone died)
I really hope that the film will be focused on David and the danger of IA for humanity. I want that the action to take place in the Covenant in the entire movie, except at the end for the Derelict. If we have a big hive in it, and at the end, the complete destruction of the Covenant, I will be satisfied. And I really like David so I hope he will not die. I imagine he could do like Ash in Out of the Shadows and be everywhere by transferring is memory in all the vessels of the franchise to see his work achieve, for eternity
What we will most likely see:
● Alien's expectations:
- The Derelict on LV-426, as well as related issues:
- Derelict: crashed or landed?
- The warning signal
- The birth of Space Jockey's Alien
- Where does the hole in the ground come from?
- Blue light : stasis or alarm?
- Eggs: transported or arranged after?
● Alien Covenant's expectations:
- Improvement for final appearance of Xenomorphs
- Alien Queen
- Why the Derelict crashes on LV-426, coincidentally next to LV-223?
+ From Ridley Scott Synospis: Engineers will come back to Planet 4 and see what David has done and they will want revenge.
Possibilities:
- Logical justification that Daniels is Ripley's mother
- Logical justification of the long wait between the end and Alien (2112-2122)
My personal expectations:
- The Ultramorph coming out of Space Jockey. (From the time we talk about it or draw it, I want to see it)
- Death of everyone (I would really like this tradition of the surviving humans to stop, Daniels and Tennessee or the settlers, I wish everyone died)
I really hope that the film will be focused on David and the danger of IA for humanity. I want that the action to take place in the Covenant in the entire movie, except at the end for the Derelict. If we have a big hive in it, and at the end, the complete destruction of the Covenant, I will be satisfied. And I really like David so I hope he will not die. I imagine he could do like Ash in Out of the Shadows and be everywhere by transferring is memory in all the vessels of the franchise to see his work achieve, for eternity
Posted by Immortan Jonesy
- Mar 31, 2020, 02:06:48 AMOnce he becomes tired of freedom, David returns to Earth a couple of centuries later (post Alien Resurrection). He sees that Paris has been deserted. He doesn't looks like Michael Fassbender anymore though. He is rather David's consciousness loaded in an Engineer robot. During his quest to find perfection, the synthetic man has lived too many dangerous adventures that leaded him to adopt his current physical condition.
Posted by SpreadEagleBeagle
- Mar 30, 2020, 09:04:54 PMQuote from: Immortan Jonesy on Mar 30, 2020, 07:12:56 AM
Now back to the topic, I find this idea interesting. In fact someone (I think @Drukathi) someone suggested that it would take David a lot of years to create his "army of Aliens" so to speak, while doing experiments on Origae 6. Imagine the syhthetic guy preparing himself to invade Earth, and once there he meet Ripley 8 and see her a bastardization of his "Creation". Plus he complains for the horrendous Alien Resurrection design: "Look what you have done with my Perfect Organism!". Then he learns by Ripley 8 that the real Deal was on LV-426. He had nothing to do with it, so his ego crashes from the highest to be totally destroyed. The robot went nuts and things start to descend to madness form there. Maybe we need a French director to achieve that.
I can portrait as well a self-exiled David, having an existential crisis after discovering the Derelict with the original Alien centuries before Resurrection. I.E after Covenant. He then decides to end his exile and return to Earth where he meets Ripley and Cal. I can even imagine Ripley 8 finding a destroyed David (by his own creation or an Engineer) and reactivating him again ala Bishop in Alien³.
Yup, having post-A:R as the setting for the A:C sequel has a lot of potential and oh so many options without risking to screw around with continuity.
Posted by Immortan Jonesy
- Mar 30, 2020, 07:12:56 AMQuote from: SpreadEagleBeagle on Mar 30, 2020, 01:02:23 AM
I'm definitely for the idea of David "disappearing" for a few hundred years (between A:C and A:R) then to return about two decades after A:R. There would be so much potential in that setup and it would be a great way to tie the entire franchise together.
Like people already mentioned - picture David meeting Call (would he be jealous of her "humanity" and ability to procreate or would he look down on her?) or Ripley 8 (same thing here: would he cherish her existence or would he see her as a bastardized version of his work?). There is a lot of possibilities and material to be found and work with there.
Why did David come back? Where has he been? Did he come back to warn us about and help us against the Engineers that have been hunting him for hundreds of years? Or did he come back to finish what the Engineers started? They could even delve into the possibility that David thinks that he's only been gone for a few decades, as he traveled through some space/time anomaly, or hijacked yet another Engineer ship, able to travel along warped time?
In this type of scenario and setup the director has more leeway and freedom as he/she doesn't have to try to replicate the aesthetics and tech-level of previous movies as it is set in the far future. Wynona Ryder is quite popular again thanks to the Stranger Things show and an aged Call can be explained away with Call purposely configuring herself to look older to fit in better without people suspecting her for being an android/auton. Ripley 8's age can be camouflaged by having her slowly morphing into something more Alien-like as the Xenomorph DNA is stronger than the human DNA (or something like that).
Also, a lot of us seem to want to see David's ego crushed, revealing to him that he is NOT the creator of the Xenomorph after all. Picture David's reaction when R8 tells him that the real Ripley encountered the Xenomorph inside a DERELICT ship on LV-426 - fossilized and obviously tens of thousands, maybe even a million years old - which makes it impossible for David to be the creator. Heck, even R8's very existence would be a existential conundrum to begin with as she technically shouldn't exist, unless he assumes someone else got their hands on the black goo and by chance came up with the same formula as him, which in its turn would throw David into a wild paranoid talespin for sure.
The major downside to all of this is that there doesn't seem to be any kind of interest in the era that A:R takes place in. I mean to the casual viewer jumping from the PROM/A:C timeline to the A:R timeline would be quite confusing and connect to as it came out well over 20 years ago and didn't make much of an impact. I'm not sure the studio would be willing to take that risk.
Another downside is that the above concept can easily go awry and turn into pure superhero crap with R8 duking it out with buff Engineers, Ultramorphs and even David himself (enhanced by Engineer tech or whatever) with uncharacteristically "epic" battles between Aliens, humans, androids and Engineers take place. We'd might even see cheesy Alien vs. Alien fights between R8's xenos and David's xenos take place...
Anyways, IF handled correctly it could turn out into something that ties up enough loose ends to wrap up the saga. Then a couple of years from now Disney can reboot the franchise and start over if they want to...
Oh boy, If I were the Admin I would have made you a global moderator for such an interesting reply. Thumbs up pal!
Now back to the topic, I find this idea interesting. In fact someone (I think @Drukathi) someone suggested that it would take David a lot of years to create his "army of Aliens" so to speak, while doing experiments on Origae 6. Imagine the syhthetic guy preparing himself to invade Earth, and once there he meet Ripley 8 and see her a bastardization of his "Creation". Plus he complains for the horrendous Alien Resurrection design: "Look what you have done with my Perfect Organism!". Then he learns by Ripley 8 that the real Deal was on LV-426. He had nothing to do with it, so his ego crashes from the highest to be totally destroyed. The robot went nuts and things start to descend to madness form there. Maybe we need a French director to achieve that.
I can portrait as well a self-exiled David, having an existential crisis after discovering the Derelict with the original Alien centuries before Resurrection. I.E after Covenant. He then decides to end his exile and return to Earth where he meets Ripley and Cal. I can even imagine Ripley 8 finding a destroyed David (by his own creation or an Engineer) and reactivating him again ala Bishop in Alien³.
Posted by Necronomicon II
- Mar 30, 2020, 05:00:28 AMQuote from: Kradan on Mar 29, 2020, 12:11:18 PM
How can you drink juice after writting all of this ?
Yes, "juice"
Posted by SpreadEagleBeagle
- Mar 30, 2020, 01:02:23 AMI'm definitely for the idea of David "disappearing" for a few hundred years (between A:C and A:R) then to return about two decades after A:R. There would be so much potential in that setup and it would be a great way to tie the entire franchise together.
Like people already mentioned - picture David meeting Call (would he be jealous of her "humanity" and ability to procreate or would he look down on her?) or Ripley 8 (same thing here: would he cherish her existence or would he see her as a bastardized version of his work?). There is a lot of possibilities and material to be found and work with there.
Why did David come back? Where has he been? Did he come back to warn us about and help us against the Engineers that have been hunting him for hundreds of years? Or did he come back to finish what the Engineers started? They could even delve into the possibility that David thinks that he's only been gone for a few decades, as he traveled through some space/time anomaly, or hijacked yet another Engineer ship, able to travel along warped time?
In this type of scenario and setup the director has more leeway and freedom as he/she doesn't have to try to replicate the aesthetics and tech-level of previous movies as it is set in the far future. Wynona Ryder is quite popular again thanks to the Stranger Things show and an aged Call can be explained away with Call purposely configuring herself to look older to fit in better without people suspecting her for being an android/auton. Ripley 8's age can be camouflaged by having her slowly morphing into something more Alien-like as the Xenomorph DNA is stronger than the human DNA (or something like that).
Also, a lot of us seem to want to see David's ego crushed, revealing to him that he is NOT the creator of the Xenomorph after all. Picture David's reaction when R8 tells him that the real Ripley encountered the Xenomorph inside a DERELICT ship on LV-426 - fossilized and obviously tens of thousands, maybe even a million years old - which makes it impossible for David to be the creator. Heck, even R8's very existence would be a existential conundrum to begin with as she technically shouldn't exist, unless he assumes someone else got their hands on the black goo and by chance came up with the same formula as him, which in its turn would throw David into a wild paranoid talespin for sure.
The major downside to all of this is that there doesn't seem to be any kind of interest in the era that A:R takes place in. I mean to the casual viewer jumping from the PROM/A:C timeline to the A:R timeline would be quite confusing and connect to as it came out well over 20 years ago and didn't make much of an impact. I'm not sure the studio would be willing to take that risk.
Another downside is that the above concept can easily go awry and turn into pure superhero crap with R8 duking it out with buff Engineers, Ultramorphs and even David himself (enhanced by Engineer tech or whatever) with uncharacteristically "epic" battles between Aliens, humans, androids and Engineers take place. We'd might even see cheesy Alien vs. Alien fights between R8's xenos and David's xenos take place...
Anyways, IF handled correctly it could turn out into something that ties up enough loose ends to wrap up the saga. Then a couple of years from now Disney can reboot the franchise and start over if they want to...
Like people already mentioned - picture David meeting Call (would he be jealous of her "humanity" and ability to procreate or would he look down on her?) or Ripley 8 (same thing here: would he cherish her existence or would he see her as a bastardized version of his work?). There is a lot of possibilities and material to be found and work with there.
Why did David come back? Where has he been? Did he come back to warn us about and help us against the Engineers that have been hunting him for hundreds of years? Or did he come back to finish what the Engineers started? They could even delve into the possibility that David thinks that he's only been gone for a few decades, as he traveled through some space/time anomaly, or hijacked yet another Engineer ship, able to travel along warped time?
In this type of scenario and setup the director has more leeway and freedom as he/she doesn't have to try to replicate the aesthetics and tech-level of previous movies as it is set in the far future. Wynona Ryder is quite popular again thanks to the Stranger Things show and an aged Call can be explained away with Call purposely configuring herself to look older to fit in better without people suspecting her for being an android/auton. Ripley 8's age can be camouflaged by having her slowly morphing into something more Alien-like as the Xenomorph DNA is stronger than the human DNA (or something like that).
Also, a lot of us seem to want to see David's ego crushed, revealing to him that he is NOT the creator of the Xenomorph after all. Picture David's reaction when R8 tells him that the real Ripley encountered the Xenomorph inside a DERELICT ship on LV-426 - fossilized and obviously tens of thousands, maybe even a million years old - which makes it impossible for David to be the creator. Heck, even R8's very existence would be a existential conundrum to begin with as she technically shouldn't exist, unless he assumes someone else got their hands on the black goo and by chance came up with the same formula as him, which in its turn would throw David into a wild paranoid talespin for sure.
The major downside to all of this is that there doesn't seem to be any kind of interest in the era that A:R takes place in. I mean to the casual viewer jumping from the PROM/A:C timeline to the A:R timeline would be quite confusing and connect to as it came out well over 20 years ago and didn't make much of an impact. I'm not sure the studio would be willing to take that risk.
Another downside is that the above concept can easily go awry and turn into pure superhero crap with R8 duking it out with buff Engineers, Ultramorphs and even David himself (enhanced by Engineer tech or whatever) with uncharacteristically "epic" battles between Aliens, humans, androids and Engineers take place. We'd might even see cheesy Alien vs. Alien fights between R8's xenos and David's xenos take place...
Anyways, IF handled correctly it could turn out into something that ties up enough loose ends to wrap up the saga. Then a couple of years from now Disney can reboot the franchise and start over if they want to...
Posted by Kradan
- Mar 29, 2020, 12:11:18 PMHow can you drink juice after writting all of this ?
Posted by Necronomicon II
- Mar 29, 2020, 10:45:48 AMOnly the juiciest for you sweets.
Posted by Huggs
- Mar 29, 2020, 05:08:17 AMQuote from: Necronomicon II on Mar 27, 2020, 04:53:51 AM
Just give me a field of writhing dongs and plenty of 'em.
Field of Writhing Dongs: The Movie
A new animated feature film from Dixar.
