What are your thoughts on the Xenomorph being Glass canon in future Media?

Started by Thatguy2068, Mar 27, 2022, 09:47:35 PM

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Thatguy2068

Has the title says What are your thoughts on the Xenomorph being Glass canon in recent and future Media? Like being kill in hordes by Marines.

Local Trouble

They always were.  That's why the acid blood was invented.

BlueMarsalis79

Recent media? Like what?

If anything it's the opposite trend, they're tougher in Isolation, and Covenant and the recent novels and RPG, than they have been in a long time.

Thatguy2068

Like in Aliens Fireteams and comics

Local Trouble

I have never played that game.

BlueMarsalis79

Fireteam's an arcade shooter, it's not remotely going for realism, so I guess that does not factor into my opinion about their various depictions any more than the arcade machines.

Marvel's Alien I loathe on principle.

Colonial Marshal

As much as I love 'ALIENS' I actually don't like the trend that started there where they just became a kind of canon fodder for the queen. The Alien in 'ALIEN' seem far more powerful, intelligent and interesting than in later media.

Local Trouble

Quote from: BlueMarsalis79 on Mar 27, 2022, 10:14:16 PM
Fireteam's an arcade shooter, it's not remotely going for realism, so I guess that does not factor into my opinion about their various depictions any more than the arcade machines.

How do you like it?

Quote from: BlueMarsalis79 on Mar 27, 2022, 10:14:16 PM
Marvel's Alien I loathe on principle.

Because of Sal?

BlueMarsalis79


Kimarhi

I didn't really mind Fireteam at all other than there just wasn't enough game. 

I actually think that too many writers actually mistook what happened in Aliens to a major degree.  The TC of Alien only shows something like 17 deaths of the Aliens on screen.  You can assume a handful of more in the operations battle, and maybe one or two in the hive battle (everybody but Vasquez and Drake were using sidearms or flamethrowers, flamethrowers have no range and we see no dancing on fire Aliens, and the sidearms effectiveness appeared to be very limited). 

If you add in the SE, which isn't a DC, then the sentry guns would kill quite a few more.

But just because the Aliens bottlenecked and were likely hammered in those two scenes that involved the sentrys doesn't necessarily make them insect like with no higher brain function either.  Many military forces, especially from communist parties used to sacrifice many of their soldiers to obtain military objectives. Which often meant throwing bodies at entrenched objectives. Quantity has a quality all its own-Joseph Stalin.  Do people that follow that doctrine become insect like?  Also the Aliens had a free run of the facility for weeks before the Marines got there.  You round a corner a dozen times with no incident and then suddenly on the thirteenth there is a Sentry gun.  I don't even know if it was the Aliens trying to overrun the Sentrys or if they just got caught and bottlenecked. 

People took the Marines as dropping all kinds of Aliens in their encounters, when it was meant to reflect Vietnam, a war in which US forces would be involved in firefights and not know the true nature of how many they killed because VietCong and NVA would carry their wounded and dead away and US forces wouldn't do accurate BDAs after they had been ambushed or attacked for fear the enemy might be still waiting out there for them if they did. 

In a roundabout way I actually think it is all the EU writers and to a lesser extend media fans/reviewers of the second film that made them bug like. First portraying them that way in the EU and then constantly telling people they were bugs in synopsis and reviews for the film at that time of its release and over the years, where it has kind of cycled around to being Aliens fault. When I don't think that was what Cameron was going for at all.  The TC to me especially feels like the Marines were barely escaping every encounter by the skin of their teeth until they couldn't escape anymore.  I mean the remnants of the Marines in the second film are a Marine ate up by acid and an android that was ripped in half.  More civilians survived in the movie than Marines. 

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