A Song of Ice and Fire (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A_Song_of_Ice_and_Fire)
A Game of Thrones (1996)
A Clash of Kings (1998)
A Storm of Swords (2000)
A Feast for Crows (2005)
A Dance with Dragons (2011)
The Winds of Winter (TBA)
A Dream of Spring (TBA)
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A Knight of the Seven Kingdoms (2015)
Fire & Blood (2018)
Currently a little over 600 pages into A Dance With Dragons (I would be moving along faster, but class has been getting in the way a lot lately) and I seriously think that, so far, it may have actually passed A Storm of Swords as my favorite volume in the series. Jon and Bran's stories have been especially intriguing this time around. I loved the excellent balance between the political intrigue and the more mystical elements as they begin to creep their way into the world of Westeros in the first four volumes, and A Dance With Dragons has really been going all out with that idea in some really fantastic ways!
Given how many characters there are in the series I find it a bit hard to really narrow it down to a favorite, but near the top of my list are Davos Seaworth, Jon Snow, Arya Stark, Bran Stark, Tyrion Lannister, and Daenerys Targaryan. Jon, Daenerys, and Tyrion are kind of obvious fan-favorites, and I find Arya to be an oddly relatable character in some ways. She's pretty badass, too. Bran has become more and more interesting as his journey continues with each passing book. Davos is probably the most surprising to me, though. With his introduction in A Clash of Kings I started off finding his chapters to be a bit of a chore to read (probably because he only had a few chapters, and they seemed significantly longer than everyone else's), but as his story continued I began to love the way that he and his story developed. For non-POV characters, I'm also a big fan of Stannis Baratheon, Melisandre of Asshai, Sandor 'The Hound' Clegane, and Coldhands (with what little we know of him), among many others. Oh, and Hodor! How could anyone not love Hodor?
Great idea Shas!
Logged onto Galaxy now, just after finishing Storm of Swords pt. 2. Undoubtedly my favourite yet. The fastest pace, heart-rending tragedy, bone-crunching combat and treason of the highest order. This is shaping up to be my favourite book series, it has already snatched the position of favourite TV series.
I have voiced my thoughts on book vs. show in Latest Book you Read thread. I stand by it still; book does small events and subtleties better, show does big events and non-POV characters / scenes better. But I have a feeling S3 may shake me from it a bit. Solely for the scenes that take place on the Wall - you're gonna' need a big budget for that. Makes the Battle of Black Water bay look like a childish squabble I.M.O.
I dislike how a lot of Theon's scenes are less conflicted and sympathetic, and more arrogant and cold in the show. Also how Cersei is made less of a mad bitch and more of a shafted wife and mad mother, which I felt she didn't deserve.
Fave characters, mostly spoiler-lite.
Robb Stark - My favourite character. On the surface the archetype good guy, but with nuances that set him apart from being just another uber-skilled protagonist Jesus like Harry Potter. He's young and makes mistakes. He gets wounded in battle and isn't the most skilled swordman in his barracks let alone Westeros. He makes questionable decisions with love, loyalty and royalty. And pays the hardest price.
Shout out to Grey Wind too, who has a much larger role in the books and is even more badass the point where he practically won the Battle of Oxcross himself.
On the casting, yeah Richard Madden was too old. But I liked show-Robb and felt the character was done well enough that the five years could very easily be forgiven.
Tywin Lannister - On the surface the archetype bad guy, but with nuance that set him apart from being just another dull pseudo-Hitler like Voldemort. He cared / cares for some of his family, and even does for Tyrion to some extent. And he in the books that line 'Lord Tywin ruled the Seven Kingdoms, but Lady Joanna ruled Lord Tywin. The best part of him died with her.' instantly made him a much more sympathetic character. He also ended a very destructive war that was unquestionably unsustainable for the Seven Kingdoms, especially with Winter coming.
He gets even better in the show though. Charles Dance. Charles f**king Dance. To anyone who disagrees with that casting and his role in the show, I have but this to say to you :
"And who are you, the proud lord said, that I must bow so low?..."
Sandor 'The Hound' Clegane - He's blunt, he's brutal and he's unforgivingly intimidating. But also conflicted over his actions (as evidenced in his last scene with Arya in SoS) and his pryophobia was used excellently in the show. Show Hound is probably a bigger character and better than book Hound, but both are still excellent. I can only hope we get a final truth about his character before the show is out.
Melisandre of Asshai - I guess a lot may have to wait until her scenes on the Wall to warm up (pun not intended :P ) to Mel, but even then she swiftly became one of my favourite characters from her intro. Powerful, beautiful, fanatical, I think she's often quite an overlooked character, and also a polarising one. She means the best, but sometimes must do the worst to get results. Or would if Davos didn't throw, or try to throw, spanners in her plans. :laugh:
Her chapter in DoD (I skipped ahead to read the sole chapter) was excellent and also makes her a bit more of a sympathetic character, and an even more mysterious one. 'For the night is dark and full of terrors...'
Ser Davos Seaworth - Ah the Onion Knight. With his chapters in Dragonstone, they're almost humourous in hindsight the way it's almost a 'only sane man' dynamic. Loyal and likeable, he's the other side of the coin of Mel in that he too does what he thinks is best for Stannis and the realm but from a different, gentler standpoint that can often clash with Stannis and Mel's views. Looking forward to more of his story!
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The Onion
I read both A Game of Thrones and A Clash of Kings. Thought they were both excellent and rich in character. Still a fan of Stannis in both show and novel. He may not be the most three dimensional character but I am fascinated by his thirst for power and his relationship with Melisandre.
I'm a big fan of the series. I got into the TV show first, then got into reading the books, which I think are amazing. I'm somebody who likes thorough descriptions of characters appearance and personality, and Martin does an excellent job at this. Initially upon reading the books I pictured the characters as their TV show actors. But as my reading progressed, aside from Jaime Lannister, Joffrey and Daenerys, I picture most of them noticeably different. I like how he talks about the different religions, political systems and cultures in his world. Regarding favorite characters, I can't really choose, because there are to many who I like equally.
Random aside, but I absolutely love when Martin goes on for half a page about food. Makes me hungry :D
Anyone read the Dunk and Egg novellas or The Princess and the Queen, by any chance?
Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Feb 02, 2014, 06:53:40 PM
Random aside, but I absolutely love when Martin goes on for half a page about food. Makes me hungry :D
Try reading an Ian Fleming novel. :laugh:
I've read all books (and Dunk&Egg) after i watched season 1-3. So it's hard to judge/compare the characters since i always imagine the TV actors instead of thinking of an own interpretation, though it works quite fine because i love most actors.
Whatever, i like the books and it's a pain in the *ss to wait for the release of the next one. On the other hand: I love the show and season 4 will arrive soon - winter is coming :laugh:
My Top3: Tyrion, Tywin, Roose Bolton.
I finished A Storm Of Swords last year.
As for a favorite character in the books... I might go with Daenerys. There's just something alluring about a female character, breaking free from the shackles everybody else in Westeros would like to impose on her and take her own fate into her own hands.
That might turn out to be a double edged sword for her in the next or the unreleased books though...
Jon Snow in a somewhat similar fashion, seems to often find himself caught in a situation that requires him to take everything he thinks he knows up for revision. I get the feeling of Martin building these 2 characters up for something big in the last books.
Quote from: Eva on Feb 02, 2014, 09:19:57 PM
I get the feeling of Martin building these 2 characters up for something big in the last books.
Aye, I can definitely see that. Especially if the fan-theories on Jon's true parentage wind up being true.
Nightmare, have you reached the part with... Drogon (I don't want to say more than that in case you haven't) in
A Dance with Dragons yet? ;D
Quote from: Eva on Feb 02, 2014, 09:19:57 PMI get the feeling of Martin building these 2 characters up for something big in the last books.
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I'm pretty sure Daenerys is the chosen one Melisandre keeps going on and on about.
No, I haven't. You're gettin' me real excited, though!
I really need to finish this book.
Quote from: Shasvre on Feb 02, 2014, 09:22:30 PM
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I'm pretty sure Daenerys is the chosen one Melisandre keeps going on and on about.
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This thread makes me wanna get started on the next one...
Dooo eet.
Just be ready for half your favorite characters to not be in the book :D
Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Feb 02, 2014, 09:38:35 PM
No, I haven't. You're gettin' me real excited, though!
It's absolutely mental and was for me, very unexpected. ;D
Quote from: Eva on Feb 02, 2014, 09:44:54 PMThis thread makes me wanna get started on the next one...
Which you should, as soon as possible. ;)
I'm currently on a FeastDance combination read for the first time. If anyone wants to try it, use this website as a guide: http://boiledleather.com/post/24543217702/a-proposed-a-feast-for-crows-a-dance-with-dragons (http://boiledleather.com/post/24543217702/a-proposed-a-feast-for-crows-a-dance-with-dragons)
It really is the best way to read books 4 and 5.
Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Feb 02, 2014, 09:47:50 PM
Dooo eet.
Just be ready for half your favorite characters to not be in the book :D
After I finish this homework I'll read some. f**k the Superbowl.
Quote from: That Yellow Alien on Feb 02, 2014, 09:49:58 PM
I'm currently on a FeastDance combination read for the first time. If anyone wants to try it, use this website as a guide: http://boiledleather.com/post/24543217702/a-proposed-a-feast-for-crows-a-dance-with-dragons (http://boiledleather.com/post/24543217702/a-proposed-a-feast-for-crows-a-dance-with-dragons)
It really is the best way to read books 4 and 5.
I may do that on a reread down the line, but I actually don't mind the splitting up of narratives very much at all. In fact, given how long it took him between volumes, I think it was a better choice than splitting up by time.
I think it was a good choice too. But you can tell that they are really one book when together, because the themes of the two work so well together. When it really gets down to it, Feast and Dance are about maintaining power and peace once you've attained it, and Jon, Dany, and Cersei all go through their own variation of this arc. Plus, I know some people don't really like books 4 and 5, but together they enhance the other.
Yup, agreed completely. Thematically the two go hand in hand, and it should be really interesting to see exactly how they weave out of one another for narrative purposes in such a format. Definitely think I'm going to combine the two during my inevitable reread of the series.
When you say narrative splitting with the latest two, what do you mean?
Also...I'm really not a fan of book Daenerys. If you cut her out, other than some Ned / Robert dialogue in book one it would barely affect what goes on in Westeros. I swear she also gets bugger all in the way of true hardship. Everyone else dies, family dies, family is split up, gets awful weddings, is crippled or maimed or stripped of titles...and she gets dragons and swans about across the Narrow Sea going from strength to strength with her goddamn dragons.
Lord I hope she isn't the future queen.
Quote from: Xenodog on Feb 02, 2014, 10:38:17 PM
When you say narrative splitting with the latest two, what do you mean?
After the release of
A Storm of Swords, the series was going to be six books. While writing the fourth, however, Martin realized that the story had grown much larger than he had expected and realized that the next book had to be cut in half. He was left with two choices: split in in half based on timeline, or separate it into two books set at the same time but focusing on different halves of the cast. Martin chose the later.
A Feast For Crows deals primarily with the events in Westeros (and expands into the previously little-explored realms of the Iron Islands and Dorne), while
A Dance With Dragons mostly covers the events in Essos and up north beyond the Wall during the same time period.
Oh right, thanks. :)
Sounds alright then, I'm much rather prefer a geographical split than a chronological one.
Quote from: Xenodog on Feb 02, 2014, 10:38:17 PMI swear she also gets bugger all in the way of true hardship. Everyone else dies, family dies, family is split up, gets awful weddings, is crippled or maimed or stripped of titles...and she gets dragons and swans about across the Narrow Sea going from strength to strength with her goddamn dragons.
[Spoilers for
A Dance with Dragons]
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Almost her entire family is murdered before she was more than a baby. Abused by her brother for most of her life, sold as a f**k toy to a barbarian king, raped, looses her husband, wanders the f**king desert, is almost killed by wizards, is betrayed by her most trusted companion, tries to be a good ruler and sees most of it go to shit in the end.
Yup, all smooth sailing. :D
As for not having anything to do with what is going on in Westeros. Of course the two storylines are going to be connected in the end. Not to mention as the story of her spreads in the seven kingdoms, she is becoming more and more involved without even knowing it, with some major players setting up their own plans for her.
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Quote from: Xenodog on Feb 02, 2014, 10:38:17 PMI swear she also gets bugger all in the way of true hardship. Everyone else dies, family dies, family is split up, gets awful weddings, is crippled or maimed or stripped of titles...and she gets dragons and swans about across the Narrow Sea going from strength to strength with her goddamn dragons.
[Spoilers for A Dance with Dragons]
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Almost her entire family is murdered before she was more than a baby. Abused by her brother for most of her life, sold as a f**k toy to a barbarian king, raped, looses her husband, wanders the f**king desert, is almost killed by wizards, is betrayed by her most trusted companion, tries to be a good ruler and sees most of it go to shit in the end.
Yup, all smooth sailing. :D
As for not having anything to do with what is going on in Westeros. Of course the two storylines are going to be connected in the end. Not to mention as the story of her spreads in the seven kingdoms, she is becoming more and more involved without even knowing it, with some major players setting up their own plans for her.
I'd say it's smooth sailing :
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Sold as 'f**k toy' ( :laugh: )- Winds up loving her arranged husband, everything went better than expected.
Asshole brother - he gets a satisfying death.
Loses her husband - gets DRAGONS in return.
Almost killed by wizards - Isn't killed though.
Compared to half the characters on Westeros :
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Half the Starks, Lannisters or Baratheons and their courts are dead or losing multiple family members, yeah, I'd say it is smooth sailing for Daenerys in comparison! >:(
You're right on it'll all tie in together eventually...just hope G.R.R.M really hurries up on that point. It's so annoying when things really pick up in Westeros and then is break-neak and then bam, Daenerys chapter.
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Sold as 'f**k toy' ( :laugh: )- Winds up loving her arranged husband, everything went better than expected.
Asshole brother - he gets a satisfying death.
Loses her husband - gets DRAGONS in return.
Almost killed by wizards - Isn't killed though.
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Only to loose that husband. Not exactly a win.
Asshole or not, he was still family. The Starks and the Lannister have lost a lot of their family members. Danerys have lost all of them (well, almost). How is she the winner here? She barely had a family because the Starks, Baratheons and the Lannisters murdered them all.
Gets dragons, yes. And while they put her in a position of power, they (especially Drogon) also cause her a shitload of trouble.
No one in GoT has it easy and I would say that Daenerys have gotten her fair share of trouble just like the rest of them. Heck, most of the Starks are still around. They only really lost Ned and Robb. And it's not exactly a big loss on the Lannisters. Tywin was awesome, but I'm sure none of us miss Joffrey all that much. :D
Are we relatively safe to discuss such spoilers here?...
And well yeah, Daenerys lost her family but all when she was too young to remember so there's hardly the emotional trauma of the Red Wedding. Bran is also crippled and Jaime loses a hand.
I agree Daenerys goes through the bad stuff, but it is nothing compared to what the families of Westeros go through I.M.O.
Anyways, Season 4, when do we think the big events will happen?
The Purple Wedding occurs literally a chapter or two (chronologically) after the Red Wedding. Do you think they may even open with that as first episode?
I also wonder what the big episode 9 punch will be for this season?
Quote from: Xenodog on Feb 03, 2014, 01:51:13 PMAnd well yeah, Daenerys lost her family but all when she was too young to remember so there's hardly the emotional trauma of the Red Wedding. Bran is also crippled and Jaime loses a hand.
The Red Wedding wasn't that bad when you look at it.
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Robb died, Catelyn came back. If we're talking about the trauma, she's proably the one who's feeling it. The Stark children weren't there and didn't get to watch it up front, so it's not as bad for them as it could have been. And Robb never lost his wife in the books, so there's that too.
Loosing the hand was maybe not so bad for Jaime. Seemed to humble him quite a bit, which he needed.
In my opinion the Baratheons suffered the least. Robert died as he lived, a drunk and Stannis took care of Renly himself.
Quote from: Xenodog on Feb 03, 2014, 01:51:13 PMThe Purple Wedding occurs literally a chapter or two (chronologically) after the Red Wedding. Do you think they may even open with that as first episode? I also wonder what the big episode 9 punch will be for this season?
I don't think it is going to be the first episode, but maybe the second or third?
As for the ninth episode, that has been more or less confirmed to be...
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Mance Rayder's attack on the Wall.
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Quote from: Xenodog on Feb 03, 2014, 01:51:13 PMAnd well yeah, Daenerys lost her family but all when she was too young to remember so there's hardly the emotional trauma of the Red Wedding. Bran is also crippled and Jaime loses a hand.
The Red Wedding wasn't that bad when you look at it.
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Dude... :'(
Quote from: Shasvre on Feb 03, 2014, 02:02:22 PM
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Robb died, Catelyn came back. If we're talking about the trauma, she's proably the one who's feeling it. The Stark children weren't there and didn't get to watch it up front, so it's not as bad for them as it could have been. And Robb never lost his wife in the books, so there's that too.
Arya knew what happened though. Tv Arya also saw Grey Wind shot and the desecration of Robb's body. That's pretty damn traumatic!
Quote from: Shasvre on Feb 03, 2014, 02:02:22 PM
Loosing the hand was maybe not so bad for Jaime. Seemed to humble him quite a bit, which he needed.
I agree it made him a better man but still...he lost a hand!
Quote from: Shasvre on Feb 03, 2014, 02:02:22 PM
In my opinion the Baratheons suffered the least. Robert died as he lived, a drunk and Stannis took care of Renly himself.
Renly was still kinda' sad.
Agree on Robert though, by that point he almost seemed to want death. He hated being King.
Quote from: Shasvre on Feb 03, 2014, 02:02:22 PM
I don't think it is going to be the first episode, but maybe the second or third?
As for the ninth episode, that has been more or less confirmed to be...
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Mance Rayder's attack on the Wall.
I think second then?
Oh right cool. So goddamn looking forward to it. Also to (hopefully) see Varamyr.
Quote from: Xenodog on Feb 03, 2014, 02:19:41 PMQuote from: Shasvre on Feb 03, 2014, 02:02:22 PMThe Red Wedding wasn't that bad when you look at it.
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Dude... :'(
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^ Isn't that the gif I made for you long time ago? :D
Speaking of the Starks... the supposedly strongest branches of the tree are now gone (with the events at the Red Wedding) and we're left with the remaining children, all of them now crippled, on the run or in hiding, literally or emotionally. But I'm confident that at least one of them will rise and settle the score in some way or the other.
So how's House Shasvre today? :)
Quote from: Eva on Feb 03, 2014, 02:32:32 PM^ Isn't that the gif I made for you long time ago? :D
It is. ;D
Quote from: Eva on Feb 03, 2014, 02:32:32 PMSpeaking of the Starks... the supposedly strongest branches of the tree are now gone (with the events at the Red Wedding) and we're left with the remaining children, all of them now crippled, on the run or in hiding, literally or emotionally. But I'm confident that at least one of them will rise and settle the score in some way or the other.
Maybe even all of them.
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If Jon is still alive, he's most likely going to be an important player in the war to come. Arya and her training is bound to lead somewhere. Bran might take controll of one of the dragons through his warg powers. Sansa or Rickon could become the heir at Winterfell (Queen of the North!).
Quote from: Eva on Feb 03, 2014, 02:32:32 PMSo how's House Shasvre today? :)
Right now
House Shasvre is pondering on which words would be fitting of
House Shasvre. :D
Quote from: Eva on Feb 03, 2014, 02:32:32 PM
Speaking of the Starks... the supposedly strongest branches of the tree are now gone (with the events at the Red Wedding) and we're left with the remaining children, all of them now crippled, on the run or in hiding, literally or emotionally. But I'm confident that at least one of them will rise and settle the score in some way or the other.
Oh,
definitely in the case of Arya at very least.
If she comes back to Westeros heads will roll.
Yeah... there's also the small but not insignificant detail of Tyrion Lannister now being wed to Sansa Stark and while none of them are happy with that arrangement and the circumstances that lead into it, nor do they loathe each other. It seems like they can identify with and gain new found respect for each other through their troubles... it
might lead to somewhere interesting for the Lannisters and Starks.
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Quote from: Eva on Feb 03, 2014, 02:32:32 PMSo how's House Shasvre today? :)
Right now House Shasvre is pondering on which words would be fitting of House Shasvre. :D
You need inspiration?
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As for myself... ;D
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Now I need cornbread... it's good for me, I hear...
Quote from: Eva on Feb 03, 2014, 02:51:19 PMAs for myself... ;D
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Now I need cornbread... it's good for me, I hear...
Where the hell did you make that? I need one for myself! :laugh:
Eva, we should join houses...
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... to keep the race pure ;)
^ I thought I was the only Roose Bolton fan on the site. 8)
Hell, no! He is my sun and stars!
Bookspoiler:
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...and after Tywin's death the only remaining future saviour of the realm! :laugh:
On the show he looks like a less handsome version of Daniel Craig. :laugh:
Quote from: Shasvre on Feb 03, 2014, 02:57:04 PM
Where the hell did you make that? I need one for myself! :laugh:
Here you go... ;D
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Quote from: Never say no to Panda! on Feb 03, 2014, 03:20:13 PM
Eva, we should join houses...
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Considering I've been called a firetruck on numerous occasions... yeah, I guess that makes me a firef**ker... :)
Quote from: Eva on Feb 03, 2014, 06:02:53 PMHere you go... ;D
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Heck yeah! ;D :laugh:
Quote from: Never say no to Panda! on Feb 03, 2014, 03:20:13 PM
Eva, we should join houses...
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... to keep the race pure ;)
I know a good wedding planer. ;)
I'd like to order the RED wedding package ;)
May the Seven have mercy on your sou... oh, wait... you guys are ginger. Never mind.
Quote from: Never say no to Panda! on Feb 03, 2014, 06:15:26 PM
I'd like to order the RED wedding package ;)
Are crossbows for the guests included in that package or it that an optional accessory? :)
Quote from: Shasvre on Feb 03, 2014, 06:17:43 PM
May the Seven have mercy on your sou... oh, wait... you guys are ginger. Never mind.
Yeah, because us gingers never get lucky with anything in life - oh wait -
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;D
Quote from: Eva on Feb 03, 2014, 06:19:43 PMYeah, because us gingers never get lucky with anything in life - oh wait -
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;D
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Should have been Sophie Turner instead of Ron.
f**k off
Quote from: Shasvre on Feb 03, 2014, 06:29:59 PM
Should have been Sophie Turner instead of Ron.
She and Emma actually
did smack lips one day and there's proof they did, like this taken a few days after the event -
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:D
Quote from: Eva on Feb 03, 2014, 06:40:10 PM
Quote from: Shasvre on Feb 03, 2014, 06:29:59 PM
Should have been Sophie Turner instead of Ron.
She and Emma actually did smack lips one day and there's proof they did, like this taken a few days after the event -
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:D
That's all the proof I need! :D
Quote from: First Blood on Feb 03, 2014, 06:33:30 PM
f**k off
Either you're a big Weasley fan or this hit a nerve.
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Or a bone. ;D
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Quote from: Never say no to Panda! on Feb 03, 2014, 06:48:27 PM
http://666kb.com/i/clj9gasxz0eb5uv10.gif
Well, not
everybody...
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Some people can be very possessive.
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Quote from: Shasvre on Feb 03, 2014, 07:03:10 PM
Some people can be very possessive.
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Aw, the sweet tenderness of being struck by Cupids arrow of luuuve... :)
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... what comes around, goes around, Ygritte :'(
Damn it, Eva, I was just about to post something about Cupid's arrows! :laugh:
Quote from: Shasvre on Feb 03, 2014, 07:14:10 PM
Damn it, Eva, I was just about to post something about Cupid's arrows! :laugh:
Please look at all the f**ks we give! :D
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Quote from: Eva on Feb 03, 2014, 07:21:15 PM
Quote from: Shasvre on Feb 03, 2014, 07:14:10 PM
Damn it, Eva, I was just about to post something about Cupid's arrows! :laugh:
Please look at all the f**ks we give! :D
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Please look at all the f**ks Cupid gives. :D
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Sometimes I'm scared because I don't know if spoiler tags are actually spoilers or Eva and Shasvre talking.
If you haven't seen S3 or read the book Sweeps, yeah, there are spoilers. Don't look. :)
Quote from: Shasvre on Feb 03, 2014, 07:25:29 PM
Please look at all the f**ks Cupid gives. :D
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Now,
there's the facial expression of someone who feels a boner in his heart from behind. ;)
Quote from: Space Sweeper on Feb 03, 2014, 07:29:32 PM
Sometimes I'm scared because I don't know if spoiler tags are actually spoilers or Eva and Shasvre talking.
It's all just a blur now. :D
And with all the Jon
Snow and Ygritte GIFs that are flying around, I suppose A Song of Ice and Fire might be a fitting name for a regular Eva & Shasvre chat. :laugh:
Quote from: Shasvre on Feb 03, 2014, 07:38:56 PM
It's all just a blur now. :D
And with all the Jon Snow and Ygritte GIFs that are flying around, I suppose A Song of Ice and Fire might be a fitting name for a regular Eva & Shasvre chat. :laugh:
aka
The Blur Witch Project :)
Speaking of ice and witches.
[A Dance with Dragons Spoilers]
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Anyone else thinks that Melisandre is going to bring Jon back to life, if he was indeed killed in the attack? I read a theory a while back that Jon might somehow be an avatar for R'hllor is he's brought back to life and that Catelyn, in her almost zombie-esque state, would be an avatar for the undead from behind the wall. Which doesn't really make sense since Catelyn was brought back to life by a red priest as well, but there you go. :-\
@ Shasvre:
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I don't think he's dead...mainly because i always speculated that he is the son of Rhaegar Targaryen and Lyanna Stark. So Ned just named him his bastard to protect him. Even if this is not correct i'm pretty sure he has king's blood, and will live a little longer - maybe even conquer the Iron Throne.
Quote from: Never say no to Panda! on Feb 03, 2014, 08:16:03 PM
@ Shasvre:
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I don't think he's dead...and i always speculated that he is the son of Rhaegar Targaryen and Lyanna Stark. So Ned just named him his bastard to protect him. Even if this is not correct i'm pretty sure he has king's blood.
Yup, that's a theory I'm pretty fond of as well. Makes sense, I suppose.
Just gotta say. Panda, that f**king set.
The credit belongs to house Bolton ;)
I was wondering which house that was for.
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Betrayed Robb like a boss. 8)
Indeed. No matter how much it hurt, I still think he's pretty awesome.
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Quote from: Cal427eb on Feb 03, 2014, 08:18:37 PM
Just gotta say. Panda, that f**king set.
Yeah... that saltire cross...Spoiler
... I'd like to hang you on it...
If that's what you're into... Alright. ;D
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Quote from: Never say no to Panda! on Feb 03, 2014, 08:16:03 PM
@ Shasvre:
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I don't think he's dead...mainly because i always speculated that he is the son of Rhaegar Targaryen and Lyanna Stark. So Ned just named him his bastard to protect him. Even if this is not correct i'm pretty sure he has king's blood, and will live a little longer - maybe even conquer the Iron Throne.
Promise me, Ned.
Just finished A Feast for Crows.
Thoughts :
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I like it, but it's probably my least favourite of the books so far. After the speed and drama of the prior book i guess this was going to feel a little lackluster in comparison. But that said, the politics in Kings Landing and almost all of the characters featured had enjoyable, interesting chapters. Jaime and Brienn in particular I thought.
I thought some of the Dornish and Iron Islands stuff killed the pace a bit though, and didn't always feel that relevant. Can't help but feel the Dornish are a bit stuck up over Oberyn's death too. They do know he started the fight with the Mountain and died as a result of his own showboating, right? Hardly a repeat of Elia.
Also not found of the way they handled Jeyne. In the books overall she feels much more like a plot point to set up the Red Wedding over a real character like she was in the show. But with that said...her description differed a lot from previous books so maybe she has more to give. (Slender hips vs big hips is a pretty big change)
Also don't like the prophecy. I really don't want Danaerys to 'win' and claim the throne.. Because wow, the one with the flying nuclear warheads will have victory? Not predictable at all! Hoping for a big, Red Wedding-style curve ball.
Or for prophecies to turn out to be either wrong or 'be careful what you wish for' as was hinted at in the final chapter.
But overall...for a lot of the negative buzz it seems to have from the book fan-base it was still good I.M.O.
Quote from: Xenodog on Feb 11, 2014, 09:40:42 PM
Just finished A Feast for Crows.
Thoughts :
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I like it, but it's probably my least favourite of the books so far. After the speed and drama of the prior book i guess this was going to feel a little lackluster in comparison. But that said, the politics in Kings Landing and almost all of the characters featured had enjoyable, interesting chapters. Jaime and Brienn in particular I thought.
I thought some of the Dornish and Iron Islands stuff killed the pace a bit though, and didn't always feel that relevant. Can't help but feel the Dornish are a bit stuck up over Oberyn's death too. They do know he started the fight with the Mountain and died as a result of his own showboating, right? Hardly a repeat of Elia.
Also not found of the way they handled Jeyne. In the books overall she feels much more like a plot point to set up the Red Wedding over a real character like she was in the show. But with that said...her description differed a lot from previous books so maybe she has more to give. (Slender hips vs big hips is a pretty big change)
Also don't like the prophecy. I really don't want Danaerys to 'win' and claim the throne.. Because wow, the one with the flying nuclear warheads will have victory? Not predictable at all! Hoping for a big, Red Wedding-style curve ball.
Or for prophecies to turn out to be either wrong or 'be careful what you wish for' as was hinted at in the final chapter.
But overall...for a lot of the negative buzz it seems to have from the book fan-base it was still good I.M.O.
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There are hints that Rob's wife seen throughout different times in the books is not the same women. Remember that not everybody had even seen her and they may be holding the real Jeyne for their own gains.
I think most people had a hard time with Crows for the simple fact that it isn't Clash of Kings or a Storm of Swords and instead takes the Game of Thrones route of establishing new characters and continued worldbuilding. Took me a little while to get over to after the high that was Storm of Swords.
Quote from: Xenodog on Feb 11, 2014, 09:40:42 PMSpoiler
Also don't like the prophecy. I really don't want Danaerys to 'win' and claim the throne.. Because wow, the one with the flying nuclear warheads will have victory? Not predictable at all!
In don't think it is going to come down to a war over the throne at all. In the end, it is going to be the war against the White Walkers that is going to be the big deal. In that case, the dragons are going to come in handy.
Funny enough, AFfC was actually my quickest read of the series. Two weeks as opposed to the two months or so it took to read the others (granted, I did have a lot of free time thanks to Christmas and the New Year when I read it).
ADwD has, so far, been my favorite, but at the rate it's been going I'm lucky when I have the time to read more than two chapters a week.
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Quote from: Xenodog on Feb 11, 2014, 09:40:42 PMSpoiler
Also don't like the prophecy. I really don't want Danaerys to 'win' and claim the throne.. Because wow, the one with the flying nuclear warheads will have victory? Not predictable at all!
In don't think it is going to come down to a war over the throne at all. In the end, it is going to be the war against the White Walkers that is going to be the big deal. In that case, the dragons are going to come in handy.
Oh yeah, definitely...but when the foulness behind the wall is smited they're still going to need a ruler.
Excited to start Dance with Dragons now.
Kind of what I'm figuring to since your getting down to the nitty grity of who is true and who isn't. There aren't that many bad people left in Westoros besides Littlefinger and Cersai, the Freys and those Boltons.
Once you have them out of the way I think most everybody else would be willing to form an alliance to fight off the white walkers.
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Finally get that Barriston badassery everyones waiting for in ADWD
Also, a thought...GRRM likes his foreshadowing and something both Lannister twins have thought is 'We came into this world together and we'll die together.'
Think Martin will make good on this? Or just twin-theme thing?
I don't see a way for them to go out together. Jaime have pretty much given up on Cersei anyway, so it wouldn't be as "poetic" at this point. Not to mention that things are looking grim for Jaime himself at the moment.
I just want to know how he's going to wrap everything up in two books now. I have my doubts.
Quote from: Kimarhi on Feb 11, 2014, 10:19:45 PM
I just want to know how he's going to wrap everything up in two books now. I have my doubts.
Martin can cover a lot of ground when he puts his mind to it I.M.O, just look at Storm of Swords.
Also, found something I thought was interesting. I knew Carice Van Houten was asked to be in Series 1, but I didn't know it was for the role of Cersei :
You originally were up for another part in the series. Who?Cersei. I thought the queen would be a great part, and they asked me to audition, but I couldn't do it, because I was shooting something else. I think it was Intruders, with Clive Owen, and there was no way. I play somebody's wife in that.http://www.vulture.com/2012/02/black-butterflies-and-nude-scenes.html (http://www.vulture.com/2012/02/black-butterflies-and-nude-scenes.html)
Carice Van Houten is a great, versatile actress, but I.M.O I feel she is much better as Melisandre, and Lena Headey
owns the role of Cersei.
I really miss the parts of the Great Jon and Ser Balon Swann in the TV series.
So I think I finally reached the point in
A Dance With Dragons that Shas has been teasing me with for the last week ;D
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Daenerys riding Drogon! ;D
Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Feb 21, 2014, 01:15:38 PM
So I think I finally reached the point in A Dance With Dragons that Shas has been teasing me with for the last week ;D
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Daenerys riding Drogon! ;D
I've started the second book of it, only about 30 pages in though. Great so far.
Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Feb 21, 2014, 01:15:38 PM
So I think I finally reached the point in A Dance With Dragons that Shas has been teasing me with for the last week ;D
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Daenerys riding Drogon! ;D
Indeed.
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But the thing that stuck the most in my mind was simply that shadow sweeping down over the crowd. Sent f**king chills down my spine. ;D
Aye, that whole description was great.
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I hope Tyrion got to see it happen, since I know he was in the fighting pit with Penny just before Drogon swooped down. Little man always did want to see a dragon :D
What do you think of book Daario versus the one from the show? He's a bit more colourful in the book, to say the least. I actually wish they would have kept the blue beard for the show. At least they changed the actor from Season 3 to 4. :D
Was Daario in season two? If so, I honestly don't remember him. If feel like I was really overwhelmed by the amount of characters when I watched the first couple seasons; the books wound up clearing up a lot for me. I'm gonna have to watch them again before I give the third a go.
Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Feb 21, 2014, 04:00:09 PM
Was Daario in season two? If so, I honestly don't remember him. If feel like I was really overwhelmed by the amount of characters when I watched the first couple seasons; the books wound up clearing up a lot for me. I'm gonna have to watch them again before I give the third a go.
Ah, no he wasn't. I forgot you have yet to watch Season 3. :D
Wait, why haven't you watched Season 3 yet? I thought you got it a few days ago? :o
Gonna hold out for Spring Break, when I have the week off and can enjoy it more. Trying to see if the people I watched the first couple seasons with are gonna be available to watch the third with as well.
Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Feb 21, 2014, 04:07:24 PM
Gonna hold out for Spring Break, when I have the week off and can enjoy it more. Trying to see if the people I watched the first couple seasons with are gonna be available to watch the third with as well.
When is your spring break? :)
Also, are you gonna have the chance to follow Season 4 on HBO?
I believe it starts March 10th, so only a couple weeks away.
And yeah, I think I'm gonna try to get HBO this time around, and then just cancel it afterward. Funny thing is, after putting it off for a very long time we finally upgraded the cable in my house and, when we did it, Starz was included in the package for free for two years. A couple months later Cox changed their offer and made it HBO that was included for free instead... I missed out on free GOT for two years by two months :'( :D
That's some bad luck. Still, could be worse. :-\
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Fair enough :D
In a comment on his blog ten days ago, GRRM made mention that a Dunk and Egg collection is in the works. Looking forward to finally getting a chance to read those :)
http://grrm.livejournal.com/356539.html (http://grrm.livejournal.com/356539.html)
Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Feb 21, 2014, 03:46:53 PM
Aye, that whole description was great. Spoiler
I hope Tyrion got to see it happen, since I know he was in the fighting pit with Penny just before Drogon swooped down. Little man always did want to see a dragon :D
Just got to this bit.
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Eh.
As you say, very well described but story wise...eh.
Dany and her dragons came dangerously close to an interesting storyline when Drogon killed a child, but no. Now it's back to 'queen does what she wants with fire breathing monsters whose actions have no real consequences because she's the queen'.
Winterfell and the Wall are where the story is at. Can't wait to see what happens to Theon!
Eh, I never really got that impression, to be honest.
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Barristan is the next chapter I have to read, though, and I think it will be interesting to see how he deals with the repercussions of Dany's actions.
But yeah, thus far the dealings at (and, perhaps even more,
beyond) the Wall have been the best parts of the book.
How are there not any real consequences? :D
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The empire that she has been trying to build pretty much just tumbled and fell, her asshole husband sits on the throne and the enemy is at the door.
Not to mention things get even worse soon enough.
Yup yup.
That's the vibe I got :D
I just read
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Cersei's chapter, and God I hate this woman more and more every time I read one of her chapters. A despicable human being, and excellently written so as to make me feel that way.
I'm also very, very interested in seeing more of
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Jaime and Brienne. Given her situation at the end of AFfC and the way vibe she gave off when she approached Jaime in this book, I'm getting a bit of a Stoneheart vibe from her.
Quote from: Shasvre on Feb 21, 2014, 09:50:18 PM
How are there not any real consequences? :D
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The empire that she has been trying to build pretty much just tumbled and fell, her asshole husband sits on the throne and the enemy is at the door.
Not to mention things get even worse soon enough.
What?!Spoiler
Her dragon KILLED A CHILD! And what happens - does her dragon die? Is she dethroned? No, she flies away on it's back!
But oh god agree so much on Cersei. Some of her acts / thoughts described in Feast are
really weird as well...
Cersai is cray cray.
Quote from: Xenodog on Feb 22, 2014, 01:09:15 AMWhat?!
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Her dragon KILLED A CHILD! And what happens - does her dragon die? Is she dethroned? No, she flies away on it's back!
But oh god agree so much on Cersei. Some of her acts / thoughts described in Feast are really weird as well...
If you expected something like that, you were bound to be disappointed. Cruel as it may sound, it was only a peasant child. I'm sure this is not the first time any of the characters in the books have a innocent life on their conscience without being "dethroned".
Quote from: Shasvre on Feb 22, 2014, 06:53:34 AM
Quote from: Xenodog on Feb 22, 2014, 01:09:15 AMWhat?!
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Her dragon KILLED A CHILD! And what happens - does her dragon die? Is she dethroned? No, she flies away on it's back!
But oh god agree so much on Cersei. Some of her acts / thoughts described in Feast are really weird as well...
If you expected something like that, you were bound to be disappointed. Cruel as it may sound, it was only a peasant child. I'm sure this is not the first time any of the characters in the books have a innocent life on their conscience without being "dethroned".
I would wager if something like that happened in Westeros (e.g if Greywind became the big bad wolf) it would be demanded that the beast be killed, or someone like Robb would have taken the responsibility to do it himself as a king : as he had to behead Lord Karstark.
Not hop on the back of what is nothing more than a very real danger to the realm with the damage to livestock and people for round 2 of Ferris Targaryen's Day Off.
Comparing a dragon to a Direwolf just doesn't work. One is a one of a kind weapon with which you can conquer a kingdom. The other is a big wolf, not much more. So I hope you can see why one wouldn't just put down a dragon because it ate someone. It's not something that is easily replaced. Also, the point of the whole thing is to show that Daenerys doesn't have as much control over her "children" as she thought she had, and that it can have a dire outcome. As you could tell from the book, it's not something she took lightly.
Also, if we are counting the loss of innocent life, you could start calling for the head of Robb Stark (or, what's left of it) and the rest of the Houses, because a whole lot more innocent blood has been spilled in the war they caused from what was pretty much a family feud.
I'd prefer to think of Drogon snacking on the little girl as a weapon malfunctoning. ;D
Quote from: Shasvre on Feb 22, 2014, 04:29:19 PM
Comparing a dragon to a Direwolf just doesn't work. One is a one of a kind weapon with which you can conquer a kingdom. The other is a big wolf, not much more. So I hope you can see why one wouldn't just put down a dragon because it ate someone. It's not something that is easily replaced. Also, the point of the whole thing is to show that Daenerys doesn't have as much control over her "children" as she thought she had, and that it can have a dire outcome. As you could tell from the book, it's not something she took lightly.
I think the Stark wolves were a lot more than just big attack dogs. Grey Wind practically won Oxcross himself and slew 7 men before even being fully grown. (It seems they only reached full size at the very end of Storm of Swords from John's description of Ghost.) Against one fully grown I think even the Mountain may be in trouble. A direwolf isn't easily replaced either, or to be overlooked.
'because it ate someone' is a pretty big deal for a direct part of the Queen herself. If your pets are ravaging your kingdom people won't support you, and when Daenerys flew off on Drogon he killed a further
214 people!
As a side note I can't help but view the Targaryens and Baratheons as two sides of the same coin : excellent at capturing the throne but pretty bad at ruling it.
Quote from: Shasvre on Feb 22, 2014, 04:29:19 PM
Also, if we are counting the loss of innocent life, you could start calling for the head of Robb Stark (or, what's left of it) and the rest of the Houses, because a whole lot more innocent blood has been spilled in the war they caused from what was pretty much a family feud.
That was their respective armies, or what happened when a lot of men gave up and just went rogue. If you can't compared a direwolf and a dragon, than you also can't compare other human beings giving up and pillaging the countryside to a beast raised from the egg that Daenerys is
supposed to be the mother of.
Quote from: Shasvre on Feb 22, 2014, 04:29:19 PM
I'd prefer to think of Drogon snacking on the little girl as a weapon malfunctoning. ;D
You cold soul Shasvre...
May Eva swoop down upon you with furious gifs!
Quote from: Xenodog on Feb 22, 2014, 05:48:24 PMI think the Stark wolves were a lot more than just big attack dogs. Grey Wind practically won Oxcross himself and slew 7 men before even being fully grown. (It seems they only reached full size at the very end of Storm of Swords from John's description of Ghost.) Against one fully grown I think even the Mountain may be in trouble. A direwolf isn't easily replaced either, or to be overlooked.
Well, of course they are more than just "big wolves", but you get my point. Direwolves don't win the war for you. Dragons very well might.
Quote from: Xenodog on Feb 22, 2014, 05:48:24 PM'because it ate someone' is a pretty big deal for a direct part of the Queen herself. If your pets are ravaging your kingdom people won't support you, and when Daenerys flew off on Drogon he killed a further 214 people!
How do you expect Daenerys to deal with Drogon after that? I don't know how long you have read, but she's in no position to punish him for all those deaths. She could count herself lucky to be alive. It also goes to show just how dangerous and unreliable the dragons can be and that there is no way of really controlling them for no (but then there is the plot with the horn which I'm sure is going to come into play soon enough). Also, not only are the dragons her most valuable asset, they are also her "children". As we have seen with Cersei, a mother is never quick to put down her kids, even when they turn out to be monsters. I'm not saying Daenerys have quite the same affection for her dragons as Cersei had for Joffrey, I'm just saying there are many reasons she don't kill the dragons. One of them being that at the moment, she simply can't.
Also, I'm reminded of a quote by Stannis.
"But hundreds will die."
"Thousands."Maybe that is a price she is willing to pay.
In my opinion, it just goes to show that everything is not as easy for Daenerys as you make it sound.
Quote from: Xenodog on Feb 22, 2014, 05:48:24 PMThat was their respective armies, or what happened when a lot of men gave up and just went rogue. If you can't compared a direwolf and a dragon, than you also can't compare other human beings giving up and pillaging the countryside to a beast raised from the egg that Daenerys is supposed to be the mother of.
Yes, it was their armies. Filled with men that I'm sure would rather be somewhere else than fighting for a lord they have barely seen in their life. Comparing the life of a child to that of a soldier might seem unfair, but they were in most cases just as innocent and just as dead.
Quote from: Shasvre on Feb 22, 2014, 04:29:19 PMYou cold soul Shasvre...
May Eva swoop down upon you with furious gifs!
I can already picture Queen Eva dealing out judgement from her throne. :laugh:
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Quote from: Shasvre on Feb 22, 2014, 06:44:05 PM
I can already picture Queen Eva dealing out judgement from her throne. :laugh:
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Quote from: Shasvre on Feb 22, 2014, 06:44:05 PM
Well, of course they are more than just "big wolves", but you get my point. Direwolves don't win the war for you. Dragons very well might.
Robb Stark never lost a battle, so it seems they helped. A hundred dragons won't save you if someone invites you to dinner and stabs you in the back, though. More to war than just fighting.
Quote from: Shasvre on Feb 22, 2014, 06:44:05 PM
How do you expect Daenerys to deal with Drogon after that? I don't know how long you have read, but she's in no position to punish him for all those deaths. She could count herself lucky to be alive. It also goes to show just how dangerous and unreliable the dragons can be and that there is no way of really controlling them for no (but then there is the plot with the horn which I'm sure is going to come into play soon enough). Also, not only are the dragons her most valuable asset, they are also her "children". As we have seen with Cersei, a mother is never quick to put down her kids, even when they turn out to be monsters. I'm not saying Daenerys have quite the same affection for her dragons as Cersei had for Joffrey, I'm just saying there are many reasons she don't kill the dragons. One of them being that at the moment, she simply can't.
Also, I'm reminded of a quote by Stannis.
"But hundreds will die."
"Thousands."
Maybe that is a price she is willing to pay.
In my opinion, it just goes to show that everything is not as easy for Daenerys as you make it sound.
I'm roughly 200 pages from finishing
Dance?
Good points though. Good Cersei / Danaerys parallel too. Though I still think things in Westeros are generally worse than in Essos - winter for one.
Quote from: Shasvre on Feb 22, 2014, 06:44:05 PM
Yes, it was their armies. Filled with men that I'm sure would rather be somewhere else than fighting for a lord they have barely seen in their life. Comparing the life of a child to that of a soldier might seem unfair, but they were in most cases just as innocent and just as dead.
Agreed. I would suggest though, that Danaerys is more responsible for her dragons than a man is for other men under his control. As you said, they're meant to be her children.
Quote from: Shasvre on Feb 22, 2014, 06:44:05 PM
I can already picture Queen Eva dealing out judgement from her throne. :laugh:
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It's about time you found yourself a Littlefinger.
*waits for pun*
Quote from: Xenodog on Feb 22, 2014, 06:54:08 PMRobb Stark never lost a battle, so it seems they helped. A hundred dragons won't save you if someone invites you to dinner and stabs you in the back, though. More to war than just fighting.
I'm sure it helped. I'm also sure that dragon that could have burnt Casterly Rock to the ground would have been even more helpful. In matters of warfare, they are extremely valuable, there's simply no denying that. I'm not saying you can make do with only dragons. The again, she isn't trying to.
I fear that we are never going to see Daenerys in the same light however. Soon enough we will be reduced to two angry men shouting at each other. :laugh:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kQFKtI6gn9Y# (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kQFKtI6gn9Y#)
Quote from: Shasvre on Feb 22, 2014, 07:04:25 PM
I fear that we are never going to see Daenerys in the same light however. Soon enough we will be reduced to two angry men shouting at each other. :laugh:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kQFKtI6gn9Y# (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kQFKtI6gn9Y#)
Agreed.
And a 5 minute session please. :laugh:
In other news...I'll be pretty excited to see Val, Varamyr and Penny in S4.
I don't think we are going to see any of those characters in Season 4, unfortunately. There's been no casting news for any of them and I would not be surprised if they cut both Val and Varamyr from the show. Which is unfortunate, because I really liked Val. :-\
I was fearing as much. :-\
Though they aren't that big characters...maybe the news just slipped under the radar.
I too liked Val, and she's pretty important to the grand scheme of things on the Wall. I have a feeling John may not put off Stannis' offer forever.
If Jon is going to end up with another wildling girl, Val is where it's at. 8)
"I hear she's comely."
Christina Hendricks wanted to be in GoT...a blonde wig...
I don't recognize that quote, I'm afraid. :-\
This picture pretty much shows Val the way I see her.
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Actually, if there's one thing I would fault the show on, it's making the world a bit more grim and dirty than it was in the books. There seem to be no real style or wealth even with some of the rich houses, while in the book, even the richer wildlings have acess to some luxuary items and clothing. I couldn't really see them doing that in the show. Yeah, most of the stuff looks practical, but also lacks style. Same goes for the Greyjoys. :-\
It's from Stannis' / Melisandre's first meeting with John atop the Wall in SoS after the battle.
Yeah, quite a lot of Val's fanart is quite good -
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Was her age ever mentioned though, I can't remember?
I know what you mean. A lot of the houses have massively detailed armour designs, especially the Lannisters and Baratheons. I guess it's more due to budget than anything else. Crafting lion's head shoulder pads won't come cheap. :-[
Everyone always jokes about Martin's long food descriptions but I.M.O weapons and armour are much greater.
Quote from: Xenodog on Feb 22, 2014, 08:02:23 PMWas her age ever mentioned though, I can't remember?
Not that I know of. I picture her as older than Jon, maybe late twenties/early thirties.
Yeah same, closer to Dalla or Mance than John.
While we are on the subject...
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Nice! 8)
Nailed it. Knife ready to geld John should he get too frisky too. :laugh:
Quote from: Xenodog on Feb 22, 2014, 08:32:44 PM
Nice! 8)
Nailed it. Knife ready to geld John should he get too frisky too. :laugh:
Must be a tradition with the wildling girls.
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Wildlings be feisty....
Just finished Cersei's 'atonement'. Lena Headey said she'd go naked in the appropriate scene for the role...but will she be shorn I wonder?
Also, it's pretty cool Casterly Rock used to have a lion pride. :D
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Quote from: Shasvre on Feb 22, 2014, 04:29:19 PM
I'd prefer to think of Drogon snacking on the little girl as a weapon malfunctoning. ;D
You cold soul Shasvre...
May Eva swoop down upon you with furious gifs!
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Quote from: Xenodog on Feb 22, 2014, 05:48:24 PM
Quote from: Shasvre on Feb 22, 2014, 04:29:19 PM
Quote from: Shasvre on Feb 22, 2014, 04:29:19 PM
I'd prefer to think of Drogon snacking on the little girl as a weapon malfunctoning. ;D
You cold soul Shasvre...
May Eva swoop down upon you with furious gifs!
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HAR! :laugh:
Finished
Dance. Lord. That everything that happened.
Quote from: Xenodog on Feb 23, 2014, 04:28:50 PMFinished Dance. Lord. That everything that happened.
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I'm curious to see if Daenerys becomes a khaleesi again. :D
Also, Jon Snow go the cold shoulder, to say the least.
Quote from: Shasvre on Feb 23, 2014, 04:31:04 PM
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Also, Jon Snow go the cold shoulder, to say the least.
:laugh:
You are a brave man, Omega, opening spoiler tags in a thread like this. :D
I'm quite afraid of this thread now...getting sooo close to the end of Dance, but still reading at that same sluggish pace I have been for the last few weeks :P
Don't worry, we'll be careful for you. :-*
Quote from: Shasvre on Feb 23, 2014, 04:31:04 PM
Quote from: Xenodog on Feb 23, 2014, 04:28:50 PMFinished Dance. Lord. That everything that happened.
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I'm curious to see if Daenerys becomes a khaleesi again. :D
Also, Jon Snow go the cold shoulder, to say the least.
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I imagine she will - doubt the Dothraki are intent on attacking a dragon.
Cold shoulder indeed...though I strongly doubt he'll die / die permanently. If intended I think Martin wouldn't have given a cliffhanger. Plus I think Melisandre will revive him or something.
Poor Kevan though...no doubts there.
NA what's your normal reading pace like?
Well, just thinking back with this series, I read the AGoT during the summer in about a month and a half. ACoK took a bit longer (about two months) because class started up halfway through, and ASoS took about the same amount of time due to class. I finished ASoS during my winter break, and read AFfC in just a little over two weeks (probably finished about a week and a half into January), and have been reading ADwD since.
So really, it varies exponentially :P Usually quicker than this, though.
Quote from: Shasvre on Feb 23, 2014, 04:35:46 PM
You are a brave man, Omega, opening spoiler tags in a thread like this. :D
To tell the truth, several things have been spoiled to me, so far.
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Quote from: Shasvre on Feb 23, 2014, 04:35:46 PM
You are a brave man, Omega, opening spoiler tags in a thread like this. :D
To tell the truth, several things have been spoiled to me, so far.
Sucks man. :-\ Where are you and what do you know?
NA...speed up. >:(
I'm a few chapters into the first book and know about what happens in the red wedding, several character deaths, and other things.
Spoilers never actually affected me as much as other people, so it's no big deal, to be honest.
As someone who had (most of) the Red Wedding spoiled myself, I can say that it didn't impact my enjoyment of anything at all. As it stands, the Red Wedding really was only the tip of the iceberg, and from then on everything else just got crazier and crazier.
I did have something about the ending of
Dance involving Jon vaguely spoiled for me via a conversation I was having with someone who read the book on release (damn it I really need to read faster) a while back, and while it's a bit annoying having certain things like that in the back of my head it hasn't really impacted me while reading thus far.
That being said, I'm really looking forward to being able to go into the next volume completely fresh, whenever it eventually comes out. Hopefully next year, since this year is probably asking for way to much.
Right now, last thing I read was
Spoiler
Victarion getting his new burnt arm from Moqorro. Pretty awesome stuff 8)
Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Feb 23, 2014, 05:49:18 PMI did have something about the ending of Dance involving Jon vaguely spoiled for me via a conversation I was having with someone who read the book on release (damn it I really need to read faster)
Don't worry, you can't possibly read so slow you won't be finished with ADWD before Martin releases the next book. :D
Haha, definitely :D
I'm still wondering what the TV show is going to do if they catch up to him, and jut how much they will be able to overshoot him by.
At least Martin shared the general direction he's taking the books with the show's showrunners, so that if he dies, they'll know what to do.
I think a prequel season dealing with the rebellion could be awesome if the show catches up to the books. Or going even further back, the Targaryens invasion of Westeros.
Quote from: Shasvre on Feb 23, 2014, 06:02:47 PM
At least Martin shared the general direction he's taking the books with the show's showrunners, so that if he dies, they'll know what to do.
Yeah, I think Martin acknowledged that the show would overtake him and gave the endgame of the characters and story to the show-runners.
God I want Winds of Winter to be out soon.
George R.R. Martin teases us with a glimpse from
The Winds of Winter.
http://www.comicbookmovie.com/fansites/notyetamovie/news/?a=95182 (http://www.comicbookmovie.com/fansites/notyetamovie/news/?a=95182)
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Quote"Somewhere off in the far distance, a dying man was screaming for his mother. "To horse!" a man was yelling in Ghiscari, in the next camp to the north of the Second Sons. "To horse! To horse!" High and shrill, his voice carried a long way in the morning air, far beyond his own encampment. Tyrion knew just enough Ghiscari to understand the words, but the fear in his voice would have been plain in any tongue. I know how he feels."
Now if only the damn book would come out.
He said a few years ago that it would come out in 2014. Maybe. They might release a date for its publication when the season is running... maybe
I'm kind of thinking 2015, myself.
Trying to savor the last 150 pages or so of ADwD before I enter the long waiting period :D
ADWD was released in 2011, so it's not been that long of a wait. Yet...
As somebody whose been reading them since a friend gave them to me in 2003 during my last year of hs......he never releases books when he says he will.
Aye, I'm not expecting anything until I'm holding the book in my hands. :laugh:
Maybe HBO producers will speed him along.
But like has been said, if they had a season dealing with Robert's rebellion, well that would be pretty sweet.
TOWER OF JOY.
Or even before then, SMILING KNIGHT.
I let out a good laugh when I finished reading AFfC and his note in the back of the book said that the fifth novel should be out "next year" :D
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I let out a good laugh when I finished reading AFfC and his note in the back of the book said that the fifth novel should be out "next year" :D
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Finally finished
A Dance With Dragons, and oh man that was fantastic :o Definitely surpassed
A Storm of Swords as my favorite volume so far.
And now the wait for
The Winds of Winter begins... :'(
Some thoughts:
Spoiler
I don't buy that Jon is actually dead (for long, anyways). He's definitely going to be coming back.
I also don't buy Ramsay's comments about Stannis in his letter.
Varys!
Dany's story has taken some very interesting turns, and I can not wait to see how everything comes together with her, Tyrion, and all of the Mereen/Yunkai stuff. Barristan is awesome, by the way. Really loved getting him as a POV chapter.
I think the POV's I'm most looking forward to in the next book are Arya (or whatever name she's going by now :P ), Davos, Bran, Jon (if he is indeed gonna be a POV), Sansa/Alayne, and Jamie/Brienne.
I forgot to ask you, but what did you think of...
Spoiler
...the sudden twist with another Targaryen in the mix? ;D
Spoiler
I don't know why but my initial feeling is that this Targaryen is going to be more along the lines of Joeffrey.
Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Mar 07, 2014, 03:33:54 PM
Finally finished A Dance With Dragons, and oh man that was fantastic :o Definitely surpassed A Storm of Swords as my favorite volume so far.
And now the wait for The Winds of Winter begins... :'(
Some thoughts:
Spoiler
I don't buy that Jon is actually dead (for long, anyways). He's definitely going to be coming back.
I also don't buy Ramsay's comments about Stannis in his letter.
Varys!
Dany's story has taken some very interesting turns, and I can not wait to see how everything comes together with her, Tyrion, and all of the Mereen/Yunkai stuff. Barristan is awesome, by the way. Really loved getting him as a POV chapter.
I think the POV's I'm most looking forward to in the next book are Arya (or whatever name she's going by now :P ), Davos, Bran, Jon (if he is indeed gonna be a POV), Sansa/Alayne, and Jamie/Brienne.
Spoiler
On Ramsay's letter, didn't your copy come with an exert from Winds of Winter?
And yeah, John isn't gone / gone permanently with Melisandre about.
And I agree with Kimarhi.
Quote from: Shasvre on Mar 07, 2014, 04:19:19 PM
I forgot to ask you, but what did you think of...
Spoiler
...the sudden twist with another Targaryen in the mix? ;D
Took me by surprise, that's for sure. I like the way it's shaking up the status quo.
Quote from: Xenodog on Mar 07, 2014, 04:52:17 PM
Spoiler
On Ramsay's letter, didn't your copy come with an exert from Winds of Winter?
It did, but I have yet to read it.
More spoilery thoughts/speculation:
Spoiler
I wonder if the Other, the evil god beyond the wall that the red priests fear, has some connection with the actual Others? Maybe their leader of some sort. Given that R'hollor is a fire god, bringing in the Other (or followers of the Other) as some sort of literal representation of ice would bring some nice balance to "A Song of Ice and Fire."
While on the topic of the Others, I wonder if we ever could/would get a POV from one of the beings beyond the wall? An Other, or maybe a Child of the Forest. Also, I wonder if maybe the Others aren't truly evil like they have been portrayed. They have to have some sort of agenda of their own that we just don't know about yet.
Completely unrelated to the above speculation, but I'm definitely under the impression that Ser Robert Strong is Gregor Clegane (maybe I just don't want to see those vile Clegane brothers die :P ). Will be very interesting to see what lies beneath that helmet, when he finally takes it off.
Since the horn that Mance had and Melisandre burned was revealed by Tormund not to be the actual Horn of Joramun, I wonder if that horn that Jon discovered (in A Clash of Kings, if I remember correctly) alongside the Night's Watch clothes and dragonglass will be it. He gave it to Sam if I'm remembering right.
And speaking of horns, will be very interesting when Victarion and Daenerys clash. I'm sure Dany is going to somehow end up with Dragonbinder.
And now, on the topic of Dragonbinder, which comes from Valyria, I hope we get to see the ruins of Valyria before this is all over. And Asshai. Both would be cool.
Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Mar 08, 2014, 02:11:15 PMMore spoilery thoughts/speculation:
Spoiler
While on the topic of the Others, I wonder if we ever could/would get a POV from one of the beings beyond the wall? An Other, or maybe a Child of the Forest. Also, I wonder if maybe the Others aren't truly evil like they have been portrayed. They have to have some sort of agenda of their own that we just don't know about yet.
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This reminds me that there is a legend in the ASOIAF where a Lord Commander of the Night's Watch married a White Walker woman, which I think lead to a civil war in the Night's Watch. So there is more to them than just being evil, it seems.
Quote from: Shasvre on Mar 08, 2014, 02:16:26 PM
Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Mar 08, 2014, 02:11:15 PMMore spoilery thoughts/speculation:
Spoiler
While on the topic of the Others, I wonder if we ever could/would get a POV from one of the beings beyond the wall? An Other, or maybe a Child of the Forest. Also, I wonder if maybe the Others aren't truly evil like they have been portrayed. They have to have some sort of agenda of their own that we just don't know about yet.
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This reminds me that there is a legend in the ASOIAF where a Lord Commander of the Night's Watch married a White Walker woman, which I think lead to a civil war in the Night's Watch. So there is more to them than just being evil, it seems.
Huh, for some reason I completely forget reading that passage. But that sounds very, very interesting. I like that a lot.
Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Mar 08, 2014, 02:11:15 PM
Quote from: Shasvre on Mar 07, 2014, 04:19:19 PM
I forgot to ask you, but what did you think of...
Spoiler
...the sudden twist with another Targaryen in the mix? ;D
Took me by surprise, that's for sure. I like the way it's shaking up the status quo.
Quote from: Xenodog on Mar 07, 2014, 04:52:17 PM
Spoiler
On Ramsay's letter, didn't your copy come with an exert from Winds of Winter?
It did, but I have yet to read it.
More spoilery thoughts/speculation:
Spoiler
I wonder if the Other, the evil god beyond the wall that the red priests fear, has some connection with the actual Others? Maybe their leader of some sort. Given that R'hollor is a fire god, bringing in the Other (or followers of the Other) as some sort of literal representation of ice would bring some nice balance to "A Song of Ice and Fire."
While on the topic of the Others, I wonder if we ever could/would get a POV from one of the beings beyond the wall? An Other, or maybe a Child of the Forest. Also, I wonder if maybe the Others aren't truly evil like they have been portrayed. They have to have some sort of agenda of their own that we just don't know about yet.
Completely unrelated to the above speculation, but I'm definitely under the impression that Ser Robert Strong is Gregor Clegane (maybe I just don't want to see those vile Clegane brothers die :P ). Will be very interesting to see what lies beneath that helmet, when he finally takes it off.
Since the horn that Mance had and Melisandre burned was revealed by Tormund not to be the actual Horn of Joramun, I wonder if that horn that Jon discovered (in A Clash of Kings, if I remember correctly) alongside the Night's Watch clothes and dragonglass will be it. He gave it to Sam if I'm remembering right.
And speaking of horns, will be very interesting when Victarion and Daenerys clash. I'm sure Dany is going to somehow end up with Dragonbinder.
And now, on the topic of Dragonbinder, which comes from Valyria, I hope we get to see the ruins of Valyria before this is all over. And Asshai. Both would be cool.
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Did you forget your own post after the quote? ;)
I don't know how I managed to be that forgetful. :laugh:
Semi-spoiler for the Dunk & Egg novellas and their relationship with ADwD.
Spoiler
Seems like it is all but confirmed that the Three-Eyed Crow is Brynden Rivers, legitimized bastard of Aegon IV, former Lord Commander of the Night's Watch, and character in the Dunk & Egg novella The Mystery Knight... as if I wasn't already dying to read these novellas, now I stumble on this and want to read them even more :D
Really can't wait for GRRM to compile the Dunk & Egg stories into a single volume. If I had to guess, that'll happen after a fourth novella is released.
At least this year is going to see the release of
The World of Ice and Fire to hold me over :)
Another random thought, now that I've finished ADwD:
Spoiler
I know Melisandre thinks that Stannis is Azor Ahai reborn, and that most fans seem to think that Dany fits the bill better, but what if it is actually Jon Snow?
"There will come a day after a long summer when the stars bleed and the cold breath of darkness falls heavy on the world. In this dread hour a warrior shall draw from the fire a burning sword. And that sword shall be Lightbringer, the Red Sword of Heroes, and he who clasps it shall be Azor Ahai come again, and the darkness shall flee before him."
The day will come after a long summer - At the very end of ADwD the raven signaling winter arrives in King's Landing
The cold breath of darkness falls heavy on the world - Jon Snow dying and falling into the snow
In this dread hour a warrior shall draw from the fire a burning sword. And that sword shall be Lightbringer - I'm sure Jon is going to come back to life (be it by Melisandre or some other means). And what if Longclaw is his Lightbringer? Whether Stannis' Lightbringer is actually Azor Ahai's Lightbringer or a fake of some sort, I can see Jon's own blade picking up the Lightbringer mantle if he pick's up the mantle of Azor Ahai.
There's also this quote that seems to point at Jon: "I pray for a glimpse of Azor Ahai, and R'hllor shows me only Snow."
Spoiler
I think a lot of people think Jon Snow is Azor Ahai, especially when you consider the theory that Rhaegar and Lyanna are his parents. He would literally be a union of ice and fire. It makes so much sense, I would be very surprised if this isn't the case. Then again, Martin might be setting us up for a something completely out of left field.
Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Mar 08, 2014, 10:06:16 PM
Semi-spoiler for the Dunk & Egg novellas and their relationship with ADwD.
Spoiler
Seems like it is all but confirmed that the Three-Eyed Crow is Brynden Rivers, legitimized bastard of Aegon IV, former Lord Commander of the Night's Watch, and character in the Dunk & Egg novella The Mystery Knight... as if I wasn't already dying to read these novellas, now I stumble on this and want to read them even more :D
Really can't wait for GRRM to compile the Dunk & Egg stories into a single volume. If I had to guess, that'll happen after a fourth novella is released.
At least this year is going to see the release of The World of Ice and Fire to hold me over :)
Another random thought, now that I've finished ADwD:
Spoiler
I know Melisandre thinks that Stannis is Azor Ahai reborn, and that most fans seem to think that Dany fits the bill better, but what if it is actually Jon Snow?
"There will come a day after a long summer when the stars bleed and the cold breath of darkness falls heavy on the world. In this dread hour a warrior shall draw from the fire a burning sword. And that sword shall be Lightbringer, the Red Sword of Heroes, and he who clasps it shall be Azor Ahai come again, and the darkness shall flee before him."
The day will come after a long summer - At the very end of ADwD the raven signaling winter arrives in King's Landing
The cold breath of darkness falls heavy on the world - Jon Snow dying and falling into the snow
In this dread hour a warrior shall draw from the fire a burning sword. And that sword shall be Lightbringer - I'm sure Jon is going to come back to life (be it by Melisandre or some other means). And what if Longclaw is his Lightbringer? Whether Stannis' Lightbringer is actually Azor Ahai's Lightbringer or a fake of some sort, I can see Jon's own blade picking up the Lightbringer mantle if he pick's up the mantle of Azor Ahai.
There's also this quote that seems to point at Jon: "I pray for a glimpse of Azor Ahai, and R'hllor shows me only Snow."
I agree, that final quote from Mel was quite telling for me, I thought.
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Guess I was so focused on thinking that a bait and switch would reveal Dany to be Azor that the Jon thing went over my head for a second :D
I definitely buy into the Rhaegar/Lyanna theory about Jon's true parentage. Can't wait to see how/if that's revealed.
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There has been too much speculation about Jon's parentage that makes me question whether or not even Martin is for sure about what it is. I can't remember what exactly they are but I seem to recall about three characters saying that it could be about three different people. The Lyanna/Rhaeger makes the most sense as Eddard would have to protect Lyanna's son from King Robert if it was half Targaryen because it could try to claim the thrown and also out of spite for his hatred of the family. Plus its the only promise I can see Lyanna making Eddard swear to as she died.
Question that arouse from an earlier discussion with flat mates : Being completely objective, who do you think would be best for the Kingdom to sit on the Iron Throne from all characters dead or alive?
Eddard because he was just and fair.
But he'd need a person capable of seeing manipulations for him that was loyal as his Hand of the King because obviously he doesn't know how to play the game well. But he would look after the people I think. Robb or even Jon since they are all cut from the same cloth would do just as well.
I think Tyrion would be the best choice. He's fair, kind and knows how to play the game. Being a dwarf would most likely make it impossible for him to rule as a king however.
Eddard and Tyrion together. King + King of the Hand.
Maybe Tywin as well. I know, I know. But I think he is the kind of man that would value stability. He wouldn't be prone to start a war over slightest insult or murder babies, nor would he have to borrow money from foreign bankers to balance the economy. He's ruthless, but there's a logic to what he is doing. Why sacrifice thousands of men on the battlefield when you can settle the score on a wedding?
Anyone with me on this? ;D
His brother might actually been better because he valued stability AND was not as ruthless.
Spoiler
Varys thought he was doing such a good job he had him killed.
Team Tyrion all the way. He could make Westeros into a merry place :)
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Quote from: Kimarhi on Mar 11, 2014, 08:06:18 PM
His brother might actually been better because he valued stability AND was not as ruthless.
Spoiler
Varys thought he was doing such a good job he had him killed.
Bah, I tell you. Bah. The peasants need a firm hand to control them.
But seriously, by being ruthless, he saved a lot of lives. I'm sure that is not why he did it, but at least he realised that the fewer men that die and the quicker the war is ended, the better for both the family and the realm. Even if it meant having to play dirty.
Quote from: Shasvre on Mar 11, 2014, 07:54:32 PM
Maybe Tywin as well. I know, I know. But I think he is the kind of man that would value stability. He wouldn't be prone to start a war over slightest insult or murder babies, nor would he have to borrow money from foreign bankers to balance the economy. He's ruthless, but there's a logic to what he is doing. Why sacrifice thousands of men on the battlefield when you can settle the score on a wedding?
Anyone with me on this? ;D
Oh, absolutely. (Finally some ASOIF common ground for us! :laugh: )
Tywin is a very solid choice and one of my top nominations for the throne.
Interesting point; In his stint as hand prior to Robert's rebellion I remember one character noting how impressed they were by King Aerys, until they realised he'd cut himself on the throne the day before and Tywin was temporarily in charge.
Seems that Martin has another ASoIaF short story coming out in an anthology this year. Like last year's 'The Princess and the Queen' from Dangerous Women, his short titled 'The Rogue Prince, or, the King's Brother' will be included in the anthology Rogues. This will be a prequel to 'The Princess and the Queen' set during the reign of King Viserys I Targaryen and will focus on his brother.
http://grrm.livejournal.com/360936.html (http://grrm.livejournal.com/360936.html)
Sounds very interesting. Haven't read 'The Princess and the Queen' yet, but with the release of this so close I guess I might as well wait and read it after 'The Rogue Prince.'
Both 'The Princess and the Queen' and this, along with many other historical accounts of Westeros, are going to be included in Martin's tentatively titled Fire and Blood collection in extended forms years down the line after ASoIaF is finished.
Some more info about The World of Ice and Fire:
http://www.westeros.org/ASoWS/News/Entry/World_of_Ice_and_Fire_Completed (http://www.westeros.org/ASoWS/News/Entry/World_of_Ice_and_Fire_Completed)
Can not wait to have this in my hands 8)
I'd prefer he leave the short stories to after he finishes the main story.
Am I the only one who absolutely loathes Stannis?
Probably not, though I'm not sure why you do. He seems like one of the few people trying to do the right thing for the realm, which is protect it from the Others.
Stannis is one of my favorite characters. He is very flawed (but who in this series isn't?) and very harsh, but he does have his mind set on the right goals. Despite never having a POV chapter of his own he is one of the most interesting characters to read about, in my opinion, and definitely the most interesting of the three Baratheon brothers.
A new Tyrion chapter was released today via the ASoIaF app.
I'm not going to read any of it until the whole book is released.
Yeah people are all upset when they forward me the chapters and I don't read them. I don't like having spoilers that far in advance. Sorry guys.
I'm in the same boat as both of you. Haven't even touched the chapter in the back of my copy of ADwD, and don't plan to.
GRRM released a new Winds of Winter chapter today. Read it here: http://www.georgerrmartin.com/excerpt-from-the-winds-of-winter/ (http://www.georgerrmartin.com/excerpt-from-the-winds-of-winter/)
Spoiler
Reading GRRM's new chapter, it looks like Arya has a chance to get back to Westeros within that novel, since the delegation is there and she has killed Raff in the guise of a Bravoosi mummer (not a 'glamour' she should keep up after that, and she's probably pissed off her Faceless masters). I hope she goes back for needle and stows her way back to King's Landing.
Quote from: Valaquen on Mar 26, 2014, 09:41:12 PM
GRRM released a new Winds of Winter chapter today. Read it here: http://www.georgerrmartin.com/excerpt-from-the-winds-of-winter/ (http://www.georgerrmartin.com/excerpt-from-the-winds-of-winter/)
Spoiler
Reading GRRM's new chapter, it looks like Arya has a chance to get back to Westeros within that novel, since the delegation is there and she has killed Raff in the guise of a Bravoosi mummer (not a 'glamour' she should keep up after that, and she's probably pissed off her Faceless masters). I hope she goes back for needle and stows her way back to King's Landing.
Nice find, great stuff.
Nearly done with her list...
Not gonna read the chapter, but with how many he's been putting out lately I'm really hoping for a 2015 release...
Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Mar 27, 2014, 02:43:05 AM
Not gonna read the chapter, but with how many he's been putting out lately I'm really hoping for a 2015 release...
I think we're getting this new novel in installments :laugh:
Oh, April Fools' Day :D
http://www.hypable.com/2014/04/01/george-r-r-martin-burns-manuscript-of-the-winds-of-winter/ (http://www.hypable.com/2014/04/01/george-r-r-martin-burns-manuscript-of-the-winds-of-winter/)
Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Apr 01, 2014, 07:38:54 PM
Oh, April Fools' Day :D
http://www.hypable.com/2014/04/01/george-r-r-martin-burns-manuscript-of-the-winds-of-winter/ (http://www.hypable.com/2014/04/01/george-r-r-martin-burns-manuscript-of-the-winds-of-winter/)
:laugh:
I see yours, and raise:
George R.R. Martin Signs Contract That Forbids Him From Dying Before Finishing His Book Serieshttp://www.theglobaledition.com/george-r-r-martin-signs-contract-that-prevents-him-from-dying-before-finishing-his-book-series/ (http://www.theglobaledition.com/george-r-r-martin-signs-contract-that-prevents-him-from-dying-before-finishing-his-book-series/)
This morning I finished reading "The Princess and the Queen, or, The Blacks and the Greens" from the
Dangerous Women anthology that Martin edited. I really loved it. Lots of insane dragon action, and the Targaryen history is very, very interesting.
One bit of information that I thought was really interesting.
Spoiler
Near the start of the novella, Rhaenyra gave birth to a stillborn daughter with deformed dragon features much like Daenerys did in A Game of Thrones. I originally thought Daenerys' situation was a bit of an isolated case, but I guess not.
It's interesting just how closely tied the Targaryens and actual dragons really are. I wonder how far back that history goes, and what caused it.
Reading this has me really excited for the "The Rogue Prince, or, The King's Brother" in Martin's upcoming
Rogues anthology.
Damn it, I need to get off my ass and read that myself. :D
Definitely give it a go. It's a short read (a little over 80 pages, I think) and it is packed with a ton of great information.
Now I need to check the library and see if they have the anthologies with the Dunk and Egg stuff... I don't think I can wait for the actual anthology Martin has coming out in August next year :D
I always get my mom the short stories for Christmas but haven't read any of them myself.
Well, "The Princess and the Queen" certainly comes with my recommendation if you ever get the chance to read it :) I'll let you know soon enough about the Dunk and Egg stuff; I have the first one on request at the library. Hopefully it's in in a few days.
She likes them all but I just don't want to drive back and forth with the anthologys between Hoptown and Lexington. Maybe when I have an extended visit to hoptown in the summer or something.
Ahh, fair enough.
They actually compiled all three Dunk and Egg stories into one book called A Knight of the Seven Kingdoms in a few countries, but it's not coming out in America and most other places until August of next year :-\
Might just pay for it again and get it for kindle then.
Martin actually just published an update on his blog about the Dunk & Egg compilation coming out next year.
http://grrm.livejournal.com/365715.html (http://grrm.livejournal.com/365715.html)
Definitely going to be a must-buy. Can't wait for all that artwork that's going to accompany it.
Excerpt from the upcoming
The World of Ice and Fire:
AEGON'S CONQUEST
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http://www.georgerrmartin.com/world-of-ice-and-fire-sample/ (http://www.georgerrmartin.com/world-of-ice-and-fire-sample/)
Just gave it a read and loved it. Cannot wait for the full book to come out.
Read that the other day as well. Very thrilling. :)
Now you just need to get on The Princess and the Queen :P
Soon enough. :D
Speaking of Targaryens, here's a piece of fan art of Visenya.
Check out the gallery (http://elia-illustration.deviantart.com/gallery/33534735) for lots of other pieces as well.
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Wow, that's great. I'm a really big fan of the Arianne and Asha ones in particular. While reading AFfC they became some of my favorite characters.
Yeah. While I don't exactly mind Yara in the show, I feel they didn't exactly hit the nail with that casting. The Ironborn on a whole comes of as pretty dull and washed out in the show, but not so in the novels.
Speaking of Arianne, this is the picture Martin himself mentioned as the one being the closest to what he had in mind when picturing her.
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I really hope they don't skip out on Dorne in the show. I am re-reading A Feast for Crows at the moment and I'm really enjoying those chapters.
Yup, that's definitely a good one of Arianne. I'd be extremely disappointed if they skip out on Dorne in the show.
As far as your comment about the Ironborn, I somewhat agree, although I did kind of feel the same way when reading ACoK as well. It wasn't until AFfC that I became truly interested in them. So hopefully the show doesn't skimp out on them either. Although I'm already worried that we may miss the Kingsmoot, since Yara already has plans to go rescue Theon. I don't remember anything like that happening in the book.
Some people speculate that if Victarion and Euron show up, they might merge the two into one character. Which I could be okay with, I guess. If they went with the fans wishes and cast Mads Mikkelsen in the role, even more so. ;D
Would be kind of odd combining them, considering how much they hate each other, but for the show I actually think it could work :D And Mikkelsen would indeed be a great choice.
Reading Dangerous Women now... ;)
Yusss.
Now if only Legends would hurry up and arrive at my library so I could read "The Hedge Knight" :D
I hope they don't combine characters. I already miss some characters from the book. Ser Balon Swann. Arys Oakheart (though he should be on later this season or the next), Loras Tyrells brother (forget his name Ser Gareth). Some others I'm now forgetting.
A piece of art from "A World of Ice and Fire".
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A piece of art from "A World of Ice and Fire".
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I know GRRM's said that's his ideal Iron Throne... but it looks... overdone. It looks like a bush of twine and sticks.
At least with this one, I can see how one could easily get hurt sitting on it. :laugh:
I like it a lot. A bit over-the-top, but it fits with the aesthetic of a lot of the other official art for ASoIaF.
On an unrelated note, I'm almost done reading The Hedge Knight. I'll post my thought when I finish it, which will hopefully be tonight.
I have a theory...
Spoiler
What if the blood in Ned's dream was pregnancy blood?
And therefore John Snow being both a Targ and a Stark would make him the "Song of Ice and Fire" huh?
That's actually a really common theory. Many people believe that Jon Snow is not actually Ned's son, but actually the son of Lyanna Stark and Rhaegar Targaryen. George R.R. Martin has not confirmed this, of course, but the theory does hold a lot of weight.
Quote from: Erik Lehnsherr on May 02, 2014, 05:48:54 PM
I have a theory...
Spoiler
What if the blood in Ned's dream was pregnancy blood?
And therefore John Snow being both a Targ and a Stark would make him the "Song of Ice and Fire" huh?
Spoiler
Good ole R+L=J. It's the ASOIAF theory.
It makes sense but it seems too Tolkien-ish to be true.
Quote from: Erik Lehnsherr on May 02, 2014, 06:23:17 PM
It makes sense but it seems too Tolkien-ish to be true.
Not sure I get what you mean by "Tolkien-ish."
It makes the most sense because
Spoiler
Robert or somebody else would've killed Jon had they known he was Targaryen. Eddard basically fell on the sword and took responsibility for an action he didn't do to keep Jon alive and protect his sister's son. It also is the only thing I can see Lyanna making him promise to do.
Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on May 02, 2014, 06:33:03 PM
Quote from: Erik Lehnsherr on May 02, 2014, 06:23:17 PM
It makes sense but it seems too Tolkien-ish to be true.
Not sure I get what you mean by "Tolkien-ish."
Too "destined" which it seems GOT doesn't have.
but it does have. Dany. Bran. Melisandre....
Quote from: Kimarhi on May 02, 2014, 09:26:52 PM
but it does have. Dany. Bran. Melisandre....
Bran just has an ability, Dany is just another person vying for the throne.
I never liked the whole "Fire God" arc or Stannis, I think it's the worst part of the series personally.
ASoIaF has a ton of great prophecy storylines that the show unfortunately but understandably toned down a bit.
I find R'Hollor, Dany's betrayals, "Maggy the Frog" and her fortunes, the House of the Undying, the mythology and ancient stories (Old Man FTW 8) ) and all of the other prophecy and magic related elements to be fascinating.
Oh I like the idea of all that stuff, in the way Star Wars did it actually where if you watched them 1-6 with no knowledge it surprises you.
I just think "Fire God" in particular is awful.
To each their own, I guess. I love the R'Hollor stuff and all three red pietists/priestesses we have encountered so far. Stannis is also a particularity interesting character, even though I don't believe he is truly Azor Ahai reborn.
Quote from: Erik Lehnsherr on May 02, 2014, 09:32:49 PM
Quote from: Kimarhi on May 02, 2014, 09:26:52 PM
but it does have. Dany. Bran. Melisandre....
Bran just has an ability, Dany is just another person vying for the throne.
I never liked the whole "Fire God" arc or Stannis, I think it's the worst part of the series personally.
There are prophecy's that are/can be attributed to all of them.
The Rhollor is the closest thing to the old testament Christian god in the stories. No wonder you don't like it.
It's kinda dumb and lacking in explanation if that's what you mean.
Meaning that R'hollor doesn't allow for any deviation from his teachings and thus forces his believers to view the world in black and white.
Its pretty much THE god for Stannis.
Quote from: Kimarhi on May 03, 2014, 12:58:31 AM
Meaning that R'hollor doesn't allow for any deviation from his teachings and thus forces his believers to view the world in black and white.
Its pretty much THE god for Stannis.
Well, that's fair enough.
I know very little about the books honestly so I've just been reading the EU and watching the show.
I guess it's kinda cool but until they expand upon it, it makes it seem pretty out of no-where.
He's an imported god from overseas. The westeros primarily believed in the 7 until Melisandre's influence.
The only other guy I can remember before Melisandre is Thoros of Myr.
There's also Moqorro in ADwD.
Spoiler
Doesn't he convert a greyjoy........kinda?
Spoiler
Yup, he's kinda sotra pulling Victarion away from the Drowned God. ANd he gave him a fancy new arm to show for it. 8)
Finally finished
The Hedge Knight. Really great short novella. Going to read the two sequels ASAP.
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QuoteMay 07, 2014
WORLD OF ICE AND FIRE COVER
GRRM has just shared the cover of the forthcoming The World of Ice and Fire (Pre-order: Amazon US, Amazon UK). We're very excited to share it here as well, co-written with Linda and myself.
As he notes, the text was originally contracted for 50,000 words.... but suffice it to say, it's much, much longer than that (especially if one includes the text of the World of Ice and Fire app (Buy: iOs, Android) which was originally intended for the book. The book itself is now at the 330-odd page mark, and is chock-full of some truly gorgeous art, more of it being added as we speak. Lots of new information, about the ancient history of the world, about the various regions, about the Targaryens and the Lannisters, and even about the strange, far-off places of Essos, from the Free Cities to Asshai and the Summer Isles.
The process of settling on the exact cover design certainly took awhile, especially when you've seen some of the early mock-ups. The three-headed Targaryen dragon really fits, although as you might guess from the above, this isn't a work exclusively focused on the Targaryens (though it has a great deal to say about them!)
And with that said, stay tuned next week, as we'll have an exclusive excerpt from the world book to share concerning another group of people who arrived in Westeros, and weren't necessarily welcome to begin with...
http://www.westeros.org/ASoWS/News/Entry/World_of_Ice_and_Fire_Cover (http://www.westeros.org/ASoWS/News/Entry/World_of_Ice_and_Fire_Cover)
It should come out sooner I need a mother's day gift pronto.
Ha :D Get her a pre-order receipt and stick it in a card ;)
Really looking forward for me information on then furthest reaches of Essos.
And maybe now WoW will be out quicker...
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At least it isn't Loras stabbing him.
<.<
Cal is saving himself for First Blood.
Not Aspie?
Quote from: Laufey on May 11, 2014, 04:57:42 PM
At least it isn't Loras stabbing him.
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A new excerpt form the World book has been released:
http://www.westeros.org/ASoWS/News/Entry/World_of_Ice_and_Fire_Excerpt_The_Rhoynar (http://www.westeros.org/ASoWS/News/Entry/World_of_Ice_and_Fire_Excerpt_The_Rhoynar)
Think I'm gonna skip this one and just wait for the whole book, myself. :)
At least there's some nice art to look at, even if you don't want to read it. :)
Nymeria
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Quote from: Laufey on May 15, 2014, 04:04:14 PM
At least there's some nice art to look at, even if you don't want to read it. :)
Nymeria
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I have no idea who this is, but this is f**king awesome art.
Still no word on a release date for The Winds of Winter, possibility of an eighth book.
http://www.idigitaltimes.com/articles/23307/20140603/winds-winter-release-date-george-rr-martin.htm (http://www.idigitaltimes.com/articles/23307/20140603/winds-winter-release-date-george-rr-martin.htm)
..lol.
there'll be a ninth book at this rate.
Feuding Targaryens: A Non-Spoiler Review of George R. R. Martin's "The Rogue Prince, or, A King's Brother"
http://www.tor.com/blogs/2014/06/book-review-rogues-anthology-george-r-r-martin-the-rogue-prince-or-a-kings-brother (http://www.tor.com/blogs/2014/06/book-review-rogues-anthology-george-r-r-martin-the-rogue-prince-or-a-kings-brother)
The reason he can't get done is because he keeps writing all this peripheral stuff.
Actually, this and "The Princess and the Queen" were pretty much finished a while ago, and were just touched up and trimmed down for the anthologies. They're just smaller parts of the Fire and Blood book that he plans on releasing after the main series is finished. He was going to write a fourth entry in the Dunk and Egg series, but wound up postponing that until after The Winds of Winter so that he could focus on the main series.
George R.R. Martin Will Kill Contest Winner in Future Book for $20,000
http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/george-rr-martin-contest-winner-709769 (http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/george-rr-martin-contest-winner-709769)
Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Jun 06, 2014, 12:41:17 PM
Actually, this and "The Princess and the Queen" were pretty much finished a while ago, and were just touched up and trimmed down for the anthologies. They're just smaller parts of the Fire and Blood book that he plans on releasing after the main series is finished. He was going to write a fourth entry in the Dunk and Egg series, but wound up postponing that until after The Winds of Winter so that he could focus on the main series.
George R.R. Martin Will Kill Contest Winner in Future Book for $20,000
http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/george-rr-martin-contest-winner-709769 (http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/george-rr-martin-contest-winner-709769)
Yeah after they die of old age waiting to read it. :laugh:
Maybe they'll die waiting for a scroll delivery in the book :D
Been re-reading bits of Clash and Dance to get a better knowledge of Roose.
I think it's kind of important he to his character that he was garrisoned at Harrenhall alone when he found out about Robb's oath breaking with Jeyne. At first - and show wise at very least, it has been confirmed - I thought Tywin orchestrated the RW. But I'm starting to wonder if book-Roose actually did. He is also described sometimes as a poor man's Tywin, but from various character descriptions and chapters involving him in Dance I'm unsure of that too.
Huh, interesting. I actually just started reading Game this week. When I get that far along I'll have to pay particular attention.
http://www.tor.com/blogs/2014/03/first-look-at-the-luis-royo-sketches-for-george-r-r-martins-the-ice-dragon (http://www.tor.com/blogs/2014/03/first-look-at-the-luis-royo-sketches-for-george-r-r-martins-the-ice-dragon)
Luis Royo is almost "too" talented. Really good illustrations.
Article has it wrong, The Ice Dragon actually isn't set in the world of ASoIaF. But that's besides the point. The artwork is gorgeous! May have to pick that up. Been wanting to read it, and this edition looks to be shaping up nicely.
EDIT: Hmm, the article is right on Tor's site. Still, it's been said for a while that this story isn't set in the world of ASoIaF.
GRRM does what he wants to do.
Just re-read
A Storm of Swords and noticed something I didn't the first time around...
Spoiler
When Craster's wifes sends Gilly away with Sam, they tell him that the boy's brothers are coming for him. In the context, it is clear that they are talking about the White Walkers. Given the scene they put into the show, this of course makes perfect sense, but for some reason I never paid any attention to it the first time I read it.
Also, that story Meera is telling Bran about the mystery knight, that has got to be Howland Reed, right?
Quote from: Castiel on Jun 14, 2014, 09:59:05 AM
Just re-read A Storm of Swords and noticed something I didn't the first time around...
Spoiler
When Craster's wifes sends Gilly away with Sam, they tell him that the boy's brothers are coming for him. In the context, it is clear that they are talking about the White Walkers. Given the scene they put into the show, this of course makes perfect sense, but for some reason I never paid any attention to it the first time I read it.
Yup, never picked up on that brief passage myself either, until episode 4 this season when the internet brought it to my attention. Great way of hiding a detail in the text so that, when the reveal is explicitly made, it feels much more natural.
Quote from: Castiel on Jun 14, 2014, 09:59:05 AM
Just re-read A Storm of Swords and noticed something I didn't the first time around...Also, that story Meera is telling Bran about the mystery knight, that has got to be Howland Reed, right?
What was the context of that? I don't remember the story.
"The Mystery Knight" is the title of the third Dunk and Egg novella; not sure if some connection is to be made there.
Heads up to anyone interested; the
Rogues anthology containing the novella "The Rogue Prince" is out on Tuesday.
Spoiler
The mystery knight has been thought to be either Howland Reed or Lyanna Stark. Howland is obviously more likely but Lyanna was the most upset by the incident and it is hinted that she's a bit like the lady Mormonts in disposition. It is also mentioned by Eddard that in the Tower of Joy that he wouldn't have survived without Howland Reed against Ser Arthur Dayne. Which makes me think he IS a skilled knight or given the propensity of his children might have warged into Ser Arthur Daynes brain and set eddard up for a killing blow.
So I'm doing my reread and I just finished Bran's second chapter, which describes his green dream prior to waking up from his coma. There are a couple passages that really stand out to me now that I didn't think anything of my first time reading them. I'm assuming everyone in this thread has read all the books, but if not I'll tag it just in case. Spoilers up to the very end of ADwD.
Spoiler
QuoteOver them both loomed a giant in armor made of stone, but when he opened his visor, there was nothing inside but darkness and thick black blood.
That is almost certainly a reference to Gregor Clegane/Ser Robert Strong. Crazy getting that shown so early on in the first book.
The second passage that stood out to me is a bit less certain, however.
QuoteThe whole world was spread out below him, a tapestry of white and brown and green. ... saw clear across the narrow sea, to the Free Cities and the green Dothraki sea and beyond, to Vaes Dothrak under its mountain, to the fabled lands of the Jade Sea, to Asshai by the Shadow, where dragons stirred beneath the sunrise.
Dragons in Asshai... Could Bran be seeing the past via Bloodraven/weirwoods, our could this be happening in real time or some sort of premonition of the future? If the future, it could mean that Dany may head to Asshai with her dragons (the vision travels from the Dothraki lands to Asshai, and ADwD ends with Dany back in the midst of the Dothraki) or that, somehow, there may be more dragons to be found there.
Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Jun 15, 2014, 09:24:40 PM
So I'm doing my reread and I just finished Bran's second chapter, which describes his green dream prior to waking up from his coma. There are a couple passages that really stand out to me now that I didn't think anything of my first time reading them. I'm assuming everyone in this thread has read all the books, but if not I'll tag it just in case. Spoilers up to the very end of ADwD.
Spoiler
QuoteOver them both loomed a giant in armor made of stone, but when he opened his visor, there was nothing inside but darkness and thick black blood.
That is almost certainly a reference to Gregor Clegane/Ser Robert Strong. Crazy getting that shown so early on in the first book.
The second passage that stood out to me is a bit less certain, however.
QuoteThe whole world was spread out below him, a tapestry of white and brown and green. ... saw clear across the narrow sea, to the Free Cities and the green Dothraki sea and beyond, to Vaes Dothrak under its mountain, to the fabled lands of the Jade Sea, to Asshai by the Shadow, where dragons stirred beneath the sunrise.
Dragons in Asshai... Could Bran be seeing the past via Bloodraven/weirwoods, our could this be happening in real time or some sort of premonition of the future? If the future, it could mean that Dany may head to Asshai with her dragons (the vision travels from the Dothraki lands to Asshai, and ADwD ends with Dany back in the midst of the Dothraki) or that, somehow, there may be more dragons to be found there.
There is some good foreshadowing when it comes to the little seer lady that Arya and the Brotherhood meets. Wouldn't have picked up on it the first time around, of course, but on a second round, it was nice to spy out little things like that. :)
When first reading I thought that woman was a Child of the Forest, actually.
So has anyone read the combined AFfC/ADwD? And if so, would you recommend this version of the list for someone who's already read the books and isn't worried about reveals being spoiled?
http://boiledleather.com/post/24543217702/a-proposed-a-feast-for-crows-a-dance-with-dragons (http://boiledleather.com/post/24543217702/a-proposed-a-feast-for-crows-a-dance-with-dragons)
Balerion the Black Dread
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http://earthenblood.deviantart.com/ (http://earthenblood.deviantart.com/)
Wow :o Before I saw the deviantart link I assumed it was for the upcoming World book.
Anyone ever hear this Jaqen theory? Never made the connection myself before.
http://awoiaf.westeros.org/index.php/Jaqen_H'ghar/Theories#cite_note-Raffc0.7B.7B.7B3.7D.7D.7D-1 (http://awoiaf.westeros.org/index.php/Jaqen_H'ghar/Theories#cite_note-Raffc0.7B.7B.7B3.7D.7D.7D-1)
Quote from: Castiel on Jun 19, 2014, 06:52:45 PM
Balerion the Black Dread
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http://earthenblood.deviantart.com/ (http://earthenblood.deviantart.com/)
Holy f**k, he's huge.
Yeeup, Balerion was enormous. That one is kind of oversized though, or it may just be Balerion a bit later in life; either way I absolutely love the artwork. Here's an official pic of him with a rider for comparison, from the upcoming book The World of Ice and Fire:
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Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Jun 20, 2014, 04:05:23 PM
Yeeup, Balerion was enormous. That one is kind of oversized though, or it may just be Balerion a bit later in life; either way I absolutely love the artwork. Here's an official pic of him with a rider for comparison, from the upcoming book The World of Ice and Fire:
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Aegon looks so insignificant riding him.
balerion was big enough to swallow a mammoth whole and his teeth were as long as swords
http://www.reddit.com/r/asoiaf/comments/27jhl1/spoilers_all_terrifying_theory_on_why_walder_says/ (http://www.reddit.com/r/asoiaf/comments/27jhl1/spoilers_all_terrifying_theory_on_why_walder_says/)
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http://steamey.deviantart.com/ (http://steamey.deviantart.com/)
Nice!
Quote from: Cal427eb on Jun 23, 2014, 12:13:51 AM
http://www.reddit.com/r/asoiaf/comments/27jhl1/spoilers_all_terrifying_theory_on_why_walder_says/ (http://www.reddit.com/r/asoiaf/comments/27jhl1/spoilers_all_terrifying_theory_on_why_walder_says/)
Read that one, interesting stuff.
Here's one of my favorite theories on Reddit, this one about Sansa (and VERY spoilery for all of the books):
http://www.reddit.com/r/asoiaf/comments/1vsuxb/spoilers_all_the_tourney_at_ashford_and_sansas/ (http://www.reddit.com/r/asoiaf/comments/1vsuxb/spoilers_all_the_tourney_at_ashford_and_sansas/)
I just read a theory about Syrio and Jaqen being the same guy. :D
Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Jun 23, 2014, 03:55:12 PMHere's one of my favorite theories on Reddit, this one about Sansa (and VERY spoilery for all of the books):
http://www.reddit.com/r/asoiaf/comments/1vsuxb/spoilers_all_the_tourney_at_ashford_and_sansas/ (http://www.reddit.com/r/asoiaf/comments/1vsuxb/spoilers_all_the_tourney_at_ashford_and_sansas/)
Interesting stuff, indeed. :)
Yup, that's actually a pretty big one; not sure I buy into it myself, but hey, you never know. :P
A lot of people also think that Jaqen is the Alchemist at the start of
Feast, and that when the Alchemist
Spoiler
kills Pate and Pate pops up again in Sam's final chapter Pate is actually Jaqen.
George R.R. Martin talks about The Winds of Winter.
http://winteriscoming.net/2014/06/27/george-r-r-martin-teases-deaths-betrayals-marriages-winds-winter/ (http://winteriscoming.net/2014/06/27/george-r-r-martin-teases-deaths-betrayals-marriages-winds-winter/)
Sounds absolutely fantastic. ;D
Nymeria Sand
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A list of popular A Song of Ice and Fire theories, if someone is interested. :)
http://asoiaf.westeros.org/index.php/topic/109496-a-compendium-of-theories-v2/ (http://asoiaf.westeros.org/index.php/topic/109496-a-compendium-of-theories-v2/)
Awesome, thanks for sharing. Gonna have to go through the ones I haven't read yet :)
The one about Oberyn poisoning Tywin is quite interesting.
Thought this one here was a pretty interesting read, going against the grain of something that is generally accepted.
http://asoiaf.westeros.org/index.php/topic/63754-hotu-showed-the-red-wedding-or-did-it/ (http://asoiaf.westeros.org/index.php/topic/63754-hotu-showed-the-red-wedding-or-did-it/)
George R.R. Martin has a strong message for those who think he won't finish A Song of Ice and Fire
http://winteriscoming.net/2014/07/09/george-r-r-martin-strong-message-think-wont-finish-song-ice-fire/ (http://winteriscoming.net/2014/07/09/george-r-r-martin-strong-message-think-wont-finish-song-ice-fire/)
Just thought I'd leave a link to this YouTube channel here. I'm a big fan or their podcast. Hopefully now that the show is over for the season they put out some new history/theory videos.
http://www.youtube.com/user/TheHistoryofwesteros (http://www.youtube.com/user/TheHistoryofwesteros)
A good one to start on, if you're interested in their stuff. It's the first one of their videos I stumbled on, but you can really start at just about any point (go back far enough and one of the hosts is different, though):
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=igVxAJ7t6W4#ws (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=igVxAJ7t6W4#ws)
I'm just posting here to keep updated.
Quote from: SpaceMarines on Jul 16, 2014, 08:13:27 PM
I'm just posting here to keep updated.
They will all die,
There, that's all you need to know.
Not Eddard, surely!
Not when played by the immortal Sean Bean!
Thank god. Can't wait to read his adventures across 5 epic-length novels, with two more on the way!
Turns out that books six and seven are entirely flashbacks about Ned transcribed for us by tree-Bran.
Hey, if we got a clear view of what happened at the Tower of Joy, I wouldn't mind.
Yeah, there's so much great stuff that can be done with Bran from this point on. I can't wait to see what he sees.
Quote from: SpaceMarines on Jul 17, 2014, 02:58:41 AM
Hey, if we got a clear view of what happened at the Tower of Joy, I wouldn't mind.
I quite like that the theory that Howland Reed saved Ned from Arthur Dayne by revealing his secret marriage to Ashara Dayne. Which of course isn't confirmed anywhere in the books, but it's one of many fan speculations that seems to make some kind of sense.
Really stoked to start reading this.
Quote from: Dovahkiin on Jul 17, 2014, 09:45:14 PM
Really stoked to start reading this.
Excellent. Though I'd suggest keeping clear of this thread until after your get caught up on the main series. There be spoilers ;)
Quote from: Albus on Jul 17, 2014, 05:35:06 AM
Quote from: SpaceMarines on Jul 17, 2014, 02:58:41 AM
Hey, if we got a clear view of what happened at the Tower of Joy, I wouldn't mind.
I quite like that the theory that Howland Reed saved Ned from Arthur Dayne by revealing his secret marriage to Ashara Dayne. Which of course isn't confirmed anywhere in the books, but it's one of many fan speculations that seems to make some kind of sense.
There is the possibility that Howland is actually a badass that is underestimated by everyone if he is the mystery knight that ran through everybody at that tourney for the mad king (even though I think it is going to be Lyanna since she was Arya before Arya).
I also think that given his sons propensity to be a greenseer, something that seems to be somewhat genetic, that he might've warged into ser Arthur dayne long enough for Eddard to land the killing blow.
I'll laugh if it was just a numbers game in the end.
hadn't heard the other theory though I doubt that would make much if an impact to a hardened knight who was the most badass man in westeros.
http://www.comicbookmovie.com/news/?a=104509 (http://www.comicbookmovie.com/news/?a=104509)
Quote"I'm not actually writing an episode for season 5, as you may know, there's this book that people are kind of getting antsy about delivering, and it takes me roughly a month to do an episode so i decided given the realities i better skip this one, this season and just concentrate on finnishing the book."
George R.R. Martin teases the prologue and plotlines of 'The Winds of Winter'
http://mobile.hypable.com/all/2014-07-28-george-r-r-martin-teases-the-prologue-and-plotlines-of-the-winds-of-winter#1 (http://mobile.hypable.com/all/2014-07-28-george-r-r-martin-teases-the-prologue-and-plotlines-of-the-winds-of-winter#1)
Spoiler
Sand Snakes! ;D
Really curious about Jeyne in the prologue as well.
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George R.R. Martin Reveals Thoughts on Rabid Fan Speculation
http://www.comicbookmovie.com/news/?a=105923#MoIvEG6hqCSuKid3.99 (http://www.comicbookmovie.com/news/?a=105923#MoIvEG6hqCSuKid3.99)
Game of Thrones author George RR Martin reveals he's tempted to publish never-before-seen writing
http://www.independent.co.uk/arts-entertainment/books/news/game-of-thrones-author-george-rr-martin-reveals-hes-tempted-to-publish-neverbeforeseen-writing-9674262.html (http://www.independent.co.uk/arts-entertainment/books/news/game-of-thrones-author-george-rr-martin-reveals-hes-tempted-to-publish-neverbeforeseen-writing-9674262.html)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JQzCPf2NgwE#ws (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JQzCPf2NgwE#ws)
Love hearing him talk; good interview.
George R.R. Martin Says The Next Books Give Him 'A Lot More Flexibility For Killing People'
http://uproxx.com/tv/2014/08/george-r-r-martin-says-the-next-books-give-him-a-lot-more-flexibility-for-killing-people/ (http://uproxx.com/tv/2014/08/george-r-r-martin-says-the-next-books-give-him-a-lot-more-flexibility-for-killing-people/)
These last couple books are going to be insane.
I've been very slowly going through the first book (only about a hundred pages left now) and letting all of the little details that I missed the first time really soak in... There are a lot more things to pick up on than you would expect. Really excited to see just what details become important in the final two volumes.
I'm planning to give them all a reread when the release of the sixth one is announced.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mJYx2UtPTWc# (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mJYx2UtPTWc#)
A new special edition of Rogues is coming out, featuring cover art based on Martin's The Rogue Prince.
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http://grrm.livejournal.com/382851.html (http://grrm.livejournal.com/382851.html)
Love the art; I still need to read the story itself, though. TPatQ was great.
Almost picked up that book a few weeks ago; stopped myself as I already have many, many waiting to go. Now I'm glad I did.
I got my mom the Rogues anthologies.
Happy birthday to George R.R. Martin. :)
Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Sep 20, 2014, 01:22:26 PM
Happy birthday to George R.R. Martin. :)
Yay :)
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Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Sep 20, 2014, 01:22:26 PM
Happy birthday to George R.R. Martin. :)
Long may he live.
Seriously.
He'll live longer than most of his characters. :D
this nigga gonna die jus like all the rest of his compatriots.
And it'll be on his last book..............just like the rest of his compatriots. Its the extended fantasy authors curse.
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Can't wait ;D
Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Sep 30, 2014, 03:57:47 PM
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Can't wait ;D
Do want! ;D
Amazon still has this cover up:
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I wonder if the other one is for the international release? Both are quite nice. Though I'm more interested in all the fantastic art that's bound to be inside. ;D
pre-ordered for da momz.
Martin is coming to Brown University to accept an award later this month... gonna have to try to get tickets to the event, if they don't sell out. ;D Brown students get first dibs, unfortunately, but maybe I'll get lucky.
brown students are book smart but not street smart
strike a false friendship with one that is a martin fan, invite him for drinks, kill him in Martin fashion, and assume his identity
If only Emma Watson was still there... she'd totally be into me.
Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Oct 03, 2014, 01:02:54 AM
If only Emma Watson was still there... she'd totally be into me.
Die.
So I'm reading Theon's first chapter in A Clash of Kings, and it is reminding me just how much I love the Iron Islands stuff in this series. I really hope the show doesn't leave out all the AFfC/ADwD Iron Islands and Greyjoy material, and I'm hoping for some great Iron Islands history in The World of Ice and Fire.
I want Arianne Martell.
I thought that plotline was by far the most interesting.
Aye, loved Arianne. Really hope she's in the show.
Dorne seems to be getting some love next season, at least.
seems like they will be running it through the prince of dorne instead though
I do not approve
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m6wf-AreLtU (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m6wf-AreLtU#ws)
Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Oct 16, 2014, 04:19:44 PM
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I can't wait to get my hands on this. I'm definitely one of those people who love go explore the history of any fictional world I get involved in. I remember being a nut for Middle-Earth history (and beyond) when reading Tolkien's work and with Westeros (and beyond), it's even more so. ;D
I feel the same way. And it's coming at a perfect time for me, as I'm rereading the books and picking up on all the little historical details I missed the first time around. This should help give more context on those events and put a whole bunch more on the table.
And I believe the Dunk and Egg collection is still slated for a summer release as well, and like TWoIaF that's supposed to be chock full of artwork as well. ;D
Found a review of TWoIaF on Reddit. :) Really dying to get my hands on this!
http://www.reddit.com/r/asoiaf/comments/2jc7u5/spoilers_all_advance_review_the_world_of_ice_and/ (http://www.reddit.com/r/asoiaf/comments/2jc7u5/spoilers_all_advance_review_the_world_of_ice_and/)
Elio and Linda are going to be doing a Reddit AMA on October 27th, the day before TWoIaF releases, answering ten questions about the book. :)
http://www.reddit.com/r/asoiaf/comments/2jg6az/spoilers_all_announcing_an_aama_with_world_of_ice/ (http://www.reddit.com/r/asoiaf/comments/2jg6az/spoilers_all_announcing_an_aama_with_world_of_ice/)
Also, apparently some Target stores have the book on the shelves and are already selling it.
My copy of TWoIaF just arrived! ;D
If you're curious about what's in the book, here's the table of contents :) Might make your wait harder, though :P
Spoiler
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I can't wait to read through that. ;D
I have a copy that I was going to give to my mom for Christmas.
But I am tempted to read it myself.
Read another Theon chapter during my ACoK reread yesterday... The Iron Islands stuff is definitely among my favorite parts of the series (even I'd this chapter happened to be 50 Shades of Greyjoy :P ). Can't get enough of it.
I hope the Iron Islands get good coverage in TWoIaF. I'm about to start reading about the Targaryen kings post-Aegon's Conquest.
Let's hope they get some coverage at all in the show as well. :P
Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Nov 13, 2014, 09:41:39 PMThe Iron Islands stuff is definitely among my favorite parts of the series (even I'd this chapter happened to be 50 Shades of Greyjoy :P )
Which chapter was that? :laugh:
The one where Asha meets up with him using a false identity. :D
Martin makes mention that he's still in the middle of TWoW, and talks about some other things:
http://mashable.com/2014/11/16/george-rr-martin-charity-event/ (http://mashable.com/2014/11/16/george-rr-martin-charity-event/)
So I was flipping through The World of Ice & Fire and came across the Casterly Rock section. I always imagined it as a pretty regular castle, but it's nothing of the sort. More like a mountain. It's said to be three times the height of the Wall. Apparently not even dragonfire would do much damage on it. Pretty impressive stuff. I wonder how the hell Robb was planning to take it in the show. :D
Here's the art work from the book.
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Whoa, nice. Haven't gotten to that point yet in the book, but that's not at all what I had in my head.
There's a certain lion shape to it as well. Just look at the "paws" near the water.
Maybe there was a head at one point?
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So, how's it going with
The World of Ice & Fire, Nightmare? I've moved back and forth through the book, more or less finished with the Targaryen kings. If you read about Aegon the Conqueror, what do you think the letter he received from Dorne said?
Spoiler
The theory that Rhaenys was still alive would have been fitting of the cruel nature of this world.
Come to think of it, that part might have been in the Dorne chapter of the book and not Aegon's.
I haven't had chance to look at it in a bout a week and a half, still on the Targaryen kings. I'm loving the book, but I've been incredibly busy. Going to dive back into it this week.
I don't remember that bit off the top of my head, so maybe it was in the Dorne chapter. The Aegon the Conqueror chapter written by the other Maester (forget his name) has definitely been my favorite part so far, though.
Jumping back into TWoIaF! ;D
Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Dec 19, 2014, 10:56:11 PM
Jumping back into TWoIaF! ;D
And don't come back until you're done!
Coldhands is not Benjen:
http://www.vcpost.com/articles/37898/20150120/the-winds-of-winter-george-r-r-martin-debunks-rumors.htm (http://www.vcpost.com/articles/37898/20150120/the-winds-of-winter-george-r-r-martin-debunks-rumors.htm)
George RR Martin is looking to release The Winds of Winter next year, before Season 6 of GoT.
http://www.ew.com/article/2015/04/03/george-rr-martin-winds-date (http://www.ew.com/article/2015/04/03/george-rr-martin-winds-date)
Definitely gonna have to finish my sluggish rereading of the series before then. Still haven't even finished ACoK. On the House of the Undying chapter. :D
I missed the "re" part. I was sure you had finished...
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...already.
Gonna re-read the books myself as well. The only one I've read twice is A Storm of Swords.
I'm definitely going to be combining AFfC and ADwD once I get to them this time. I found some pretty good reading orders online as far as getting the best ordering out of the chapters goes.
I think I'm kind of the odd one out in thinking that, together, those two might actually make up my favorite installment in the series. It's going to be interesting seeing how the stuff form those two books is adapted for television (and what's going to be left out, since it seems like we might be losing/changing quite a bit of them as well).
As far as adaptation goes, I just want them to give Ser Barristan some decent armour again. I'd like a knight who looks like a knight. Oh, and yeah, some more Greyjoys, of course. ;D
Pleasepleasepleasepleaseplease let season six spend a lot of time on the Iron Islands.
Spoiler
Balon is, like, two seasons late dying, too. :P
The thought of The Winds of Winter being published in less than a year gets me so excited .. until I think off all the characters who will die. q.q
Just hope he doesn't kill Dany or Cersei or Sansa or Jon..
GRRM is still hard at work.
QuoteThis is my last scheduled event for 2016. My appearance schedule for 2017 is very limited, and will remain so until WINDS is completed. So if you want to meet me or get a book signed, this will be the last chance for a good few months...
http://winteriscoming.net/2016/11/29/george-r-r-martin-the-winds-of-winter-2017/
Quote from: Shasvre on Nov 30, 2016, 12:08:20 AM
GRRM is still hard at work.
QuoteThis is my last scheduled event for 2016. My appearance schedule for 2017 is very limited, and will remain so until WINDS is completed. So if you want to meet me or get a book signed, this will be the last chance for a good few months...
http://winteriscoming.net/2016/11/29/george-r-r-martin-the-winds-of-winter-2017/
Nothing new there. Oh well. Maybe a late 2017 release?
Planning on rereading from the beginning starting Monday, once the show is over. Also going to add in A Knight of the Seven Kingdoms and Fire & Blood once I finish the five core books.
Damn it, NA! I came here hoping for news. :laugh:
Definitely gonna be digging into Fire & Blood sometime soon myself.
Perhaps when it's over.
Wishful thinking, I know.
Picked up F&B myself but haven't touched it yet. Figure I would be best off waiting until after my reread, since its been five years. :D
About 50 pages into rereading AGoT. I had forgotten just how much I loved Martin's writing.
Also, the Others in the prologue are so different from the TV show's White Walkers.
Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on May 21, 2019, 01:48:34 PM
About 50 pages into rereading AGoT. I had forgotten just how much I loved Martin's writing.
Also, the Others in the prologue are so different from the TV show's White Walkers.
Spoiler
They're laughing as they kill the Night's Watch aren't they? And Martin describes them as being more elegant and graceful than the show if memory serves me right
Quote from: LastSonofKrypton on May 21, 2019, 02:06:05 PM
Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on May 21, 2019, 01:48:34 PM
About 50 pages into rereading AGoT. I had forgotten just how much I loved Martin's writing.
Also, the Others in the prologue are so different from the TV show's White Walkers.
Spoiler
They're laughing as they kill the Night's Watch aren't they? And Martin describes them as being more elegant and graceful than the show if memory serves me right
Aye, indeed.
Sounds like we (hopefully) will have the next book before next summer.
http://georgerrmartin.com/notablog/2019/05/21/thanks-new-zealand/
QuoteAnd as it happens, I already have plans to return. In the summer of 2020, Wellington is hosting the World Science Fiction Convention, the oldest and most important con in the SF/ fantasy calendar, and they've asked me to serve as Toastmaster for the Hugo Awards. Writers, fans, and artists from all over the world will be headed down to check out all of your wonders. I hope lots of you Kiwis will join us.
As for finishing my book... I fear that New Zealand would distract me entirely too much. Best leave me here in Westeros for the nonce. But I tell you this — if I don't have THE WINDS OF WINTER in hand when I arrive in New Zealand for worldcon, you have here my formal written permission to imprison me in a small cabin on White Island, overlooking that lake of sulfuric acid, until I'm done. Just so long as the acrid fumes do not screw up my old DOS word processor, I'll be fine.
better get the locks for the cabin
this man overpromises and underdelivers.
I've heard/read many of these since I started reading these back in HS.
And HS for me was close to TWO decades ago.
Patrick Boivin wills it so.
Almost done rereading the first book. Just under a hundred pages to go, and very much enjoying the reread so far.
Can't wait to start digging back into the latter books. It has been five years since I read ASoIaF, and I'm fuzzy on a lot of the differences from the show at this point, so the refresher before I jump into Fire & Blood (and A Knight of the Seven Kingdoms and The World of Ice and Fire as well) is going to be much needed.
I always say I'm going to reread the series but never do.
I've read GOT like five times, and the rest of them only once.
If you read like I do it takes forever to finish one.
I read them all for the first time in 2013/2014ish, when I first got into the show.
Kickstarted my reread the day after the series finale.
Wake me from Cryo once they're done.
Quote"The internet affects all this to a degree it was never affected before," Martin tells EW when asked about fan reaction to the final season. "Like Jon Snow's parentage. There were early hints about [who Snow's parents were] in the books, but only one reader in 100 put it together. And before the internet that was fine — for 99 readers out of 100 when Jon Snow's parentage gets revealed it would be, 'Oh, that's a great twist!' But in the age of the internet, even if only one person in 100 figures it out then that one person posts it online and the other 99 people read it and go, 'Oh, that makes sense.' Suddenly the twist you're building towards is out there. And there is a temptation to then change it [in the upcoming books] — 'Oh my god, it's screwed up, I have to come up with something different.' But that's wrong. Because you've been planning for a certain ending and if you suddenly change direction just because somebody figured it out, or because they don't like it, then it screws up the whole structure. So no, I don't read the fan sites. I want to write the book I've always intended to write all along. And when it comes out they can like it or they can not like it."
https://twitter.com/EW/status/1150806755791843330
Absolutely the correct approach.
Indeed.
Quote from: The Independent"People know an ending—but not the ending," he told German newspaper Welt, according to Esquire. "The makers of the TV show had overtaken me, which I didn't expect."
https://twitter.com/Independent/status/1221097614902472704?s
At this rate we might never know the ending to ASoIaF. :D
I can imagine an alien race digging up a manuscript by George RR Martin, at the time they're exploring among the human ruins. Mankind never got a chance to know the ending of ASoIaF, but the aliens are lucky bastards. :laugh:
Quote from: Immortan Jonesy on Feb 02, 2020, 03:54:39 AM
I can imagine an alien race digging up a manuscript by George RR Martin, at the time they're exploring among the human ruins. Mankind never got a chance to know the ending of ASoIaF, but the aliens are lucky bastards. :laugh:
This reminds me of the Futurama episode about an alien race starting a war because Alley McBeal got cancelled abruptly.
I think we'll see the ending.