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One of the most publicised removed aspects of The Predator following the extensive third act reshoots was the complete removal of a sub-plot that involved two Emissary Predators who were actively working against the Upgrade Predator and his fellow clan members.

Kyle Strauts, one of the performers who wore that extra-terrestrial reptilian skin, has been sharing some pictures on his Instagram of his time on the set of The Predator as one of the Emmisary’s!

Titan’s The Predator: The Official Movie Special was recently released and that featured Alec Gillis and Tom Woodruff of Amalgamated Dynamics Inc. talking about designing the Emissary Predators and how they approached differentiating their design from the Fugitive Predator and from one another. You can check that out below:

We recently had the opportunity to chat to both Kyle Strauts and his fellow Predator performer Brian Prince for the AvP Galaxy Podcast so be sure to keep checking back in for when we release that episode! You can keep track of all the various behind-the-scenes images and information with us on the Alien vs. Predator Galaxy forums!

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That looks great. Would have loved to have seen that on screen

The graying dreads make me think they were intended to be older, wiser Predators. Makes sense given the role they were supposed to have (extending goodwill to humanity.)

I'm glad we get to actually see it - but I don't know, a lot of little things about that head are adding up to look pretty janky.

Interesting, their forehead is much more different from Jungle Hunter predator, and Fugitive predator  :)

Quote from: Wysps on Oct 01, 2018, 02:17:44 PM
The graying dreads make me think they were intended to be older, wiser Predators. Makes sense given the role they were supposed to have (extending goodwill to humanity.)

I never read the leaked script, but I hope it was less extending goodwill to humanity and more... no hunter should hunt endangered species into extinction.

I imagine the emisary preds like
Ey humans, we are going to hunt you, kill you, put your spine out, put your skulls in our walls but dont worry, we are not going to extinct you...we are nice guys

Wow that face looks terrible...another home run ADI!  ::)

Agreed, AVP 2004 proportions.

I actually really like the face and the design of the armor.
The only thing I didn't like and I felt didn't suit them was that everything they had looked US Army issue

Actually really like the head, especially the quills coming out from the chin but really confused on why they would make it look like a US Soldier

What in actual hell is that face and head? Like the love child of Scar and Squirtle.

I empathize.

I like how different the forehead looks, but man those proportions just seem way off.

There has to be a reason they can't get the mouth/mandibles right?!

Is it a case of can't or won't? Are they not able to achieve what the original did 31 years ago? Or are they just not that bothered with the design?

Scar, Wolf (best of the rest), Berserker (urghh!), the latest Preds. Not one mandible is right.

ADI did not work on "Predators" though- I am obliged to remark.

Quote from: The Old One on Oct 01, 2018, 09:25:25 PM
ADI did not work on "Predators" though- I am obliged to remark.

I know. My comment was aimed at them all. Adi and KNB.

I cannot believe we almost got an even worse movie than what was released.

Quote from: D88M on Oct 02, 2018, 02:12:25 AM
I cannot believe we almost got an even worse movie than what was released.

There was just no winning with this one.

didnt they get bodied by the shrek predator soon after being introduced?

they were gonna get underused and piss people off regardless.

Man they looked even more stupid than the fugitive did. 

Quote from: The Shuriken on Oct 02, 2018, 03:26:08 AM

Quote from: D88M on Oct 02, 2018, 02:12:25 AM
I cannot believe we almost got an even worse movie than what was released.

There was just no winning with this one.

Quote from: brokentusk420 on Oct 02, 2018, 05:31:16 AM
Man they looked even more stupid than the fugitive did. 

Be that as it may, I kind of want to see what kind of film it would have been that way.

https://www.instagram.com/p/BoZnYwEncj9/?tagged=thepredator

They wanted more articulation with the mandibles.  With more articulation, comes the need for additional space within the mask....I would imagine. 

well, I hope that some day we will see this scene maybe in a form of director's cut

https://www.instagram.com/p/BocLYCyH6v0/?taken-by=actorkylestrauts

Friendly predators v.s. Predator suits. Whoever Wins, We Lose.

Quote from: newagescamartist on Oct 03, 2018, 03:55:34 PM
Friendly predators v.s. Predator suits. Whoever Wins, We Lose.

A predator, the galactic space hunter, who kills humans and put our skulls in a wall, now wear human cammo pants, im curious about the underpants

https://www.instagram.com/p/BoesaSGHlMI/?utm_source=ig_share_sheet&igshid=1xurtcuuazqmx

Love all these pics, can anyone please tell me exactly how the emissary Predators were killed in the leaked/original script?

I know a few have stated they were simply killed by the upgrade but how exactly?

Spoiler

THE ARK IS DOWN

Just past the fifty yard-line. Imbedded in the turf.

AND THERE'S RORY

Limping from the ship. Disoriented.

McKenna starts toward him. His expression suggests that once
he has the boy in his arms, he's not likely to let go.

At which point, the "DEFECTOR" PREDATORS RISE SLOWLY,
throatily CLICKING... Grab their WEAPONS.

Then? Everything goes to hell. Striding across the field --

THE UPGRADE. Big as life.

Raises the GAUNTLET. Promptly spikes an ION BLAST through
each of the smaller Predators; DISINTEGRATING them --

[close]

Quote from: BigDaddyJohn on Oct 05, 2018, 01:29:23 PM

Spoiler

THE ARK IS DOWN

Just past the fifty yard-line. Imbedded in the turf.

AND THERE'S RORY

Limping from the ship. Disoriented.

McKenna starts toward him. His expression suggests that once
he has the boy in his arms, he's not likely to let go.

At which point, the "DEFECTOR" PREDATORS RISE SLOWLY,
throatily CLICKING... Grab their WEAPONS.

Then? Everything goes to hell. Striding across the field --

THE UPGRADE. Big as life.

Raises the GAUNTLET. Promptly spikes an ION BLAST through
each of the smaller Predators; DISINTEGRATING them --

[close]

Man could you share with me the old script?)

Quote from: BigDaddyJohn on Oct 05, 2018, 01:29:23 PM

Spoiler

THE ARK IS DOWN

Just past the fifty yard-line. Imbedded in the turf.

AND THERE'S RORY

Limping from the ship. Disoriented.

McKenna starts toward him. His expression suggests that once
he has the boy in his arms, he's not likely to let go.

At which point, the "DEFECTOR" PREDATORS RISE SLOWLY,
throatily CLICKING... Grab their WEAPONS.

Then? Everything goes to hell. Striding across the field --

THE UPGRADE. Big as life.

Raises the GAUNTLET. Promptly spikes an ION BLAST through
each of the smaller Predators; DISINTEGRATING them --

[close]

thanks, bit of a waste if you ask me lol.

I'd also like to read through the leaked script now too

Quote from: spinksy on Oct 05, 2018, 02:18:45 PM

Quote from: BigDaddyJohn on Oct 05, 2018, 01:29:23 PM

Spoiler

THE ARK IS DOWN

Just past the fifty yard-line. Imbedded in the turf.

AND THERE'S RORY

Limping from the ship. Disoriented.

McKenna starts toward him. His expression suggests that once
he has the boy in his arms, he's not likely to let go.

At which point, the "DEFECTOR" PREDATORS RISE SLOWLY,
throatily CLICKING... Grab their WEAPONS.

Then? Everything goes to hell. Striding across the field --

THE UPGRADE. Big as life.

Raises the GAUNTLET. Promptly spikes an ION BLAST through
each of the smaller Predators; DISINTEGRATING them --

[close]

thanks, bit of a waste if you ask me lol.

I'd also like to read through the leaked script now too

were were the scripts posted?

It's ironic they wanted more articulation in the mandibles, but have yet to actually get the mandibles right in their most basic state yet.

https://www.instagram.com/p/Boj8rOIn7zV/?utm_source=ig_share_sheet&igshid=7t1ihr1fggr4

Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Oct 05, 2018, 08:00:56 PM
https://www.instagram.com/p/Boj8rOIn7zV/?utm_source=ig_share_sheet&igshid=7t1ihr1fggr4

I am literally gutted right now, after listening to the podcast and seeing these pics. I'm so intrigued as to how this would have been before all the reshoots.

Can we start a petition to get Fox to release the original version of the film?

Quote from: Jigsaw85 on Oct 05, 2018, 10:10:48 PM
Can we start a petition to get Fox to release the original version of the film?

My mate at work funnily enough suggested that. Doubt it would ever happen though as the sfx were not finished..

Quote from: azamultic on Oct 05, 2018, 02:01:38 PM

Quote from: BigDaddyJohn on Oct 05, 2018, 01:29:23 PM

Spoiler

THE ARK IS DOWN

Just past the fifty yard-line. Imbedded in the turf.

AND THERE'S RORY

Limping from the ship. Disoriented.

McKenna starts toward him. His expression suggests that once
he has the boy in his arms, he's not likely to let go.

At which point, the "DEFECTOR" PREDATORS RISE SLOWLY,
throatily CLICKING... Grab their WEAPONS.

Then? Everything goes to hell. Striding across the field --

THE UPGRADE. Big as life.

Raises the GAUNTLET. Promptly spikes an ION BLAST through
each of the smaller Predators; DISINTEGRATING them --

[close]

Man could you share with me the old script?)

I would also be very interested in the leaked script!

Quote from: spinksy on Oct 05, 2018, 08:53:24 PM

Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Oct 05, 2018, 08:00:56 PM
https://www.instagram.com/p/Boj8rOIn7zV/?utm_source=ig_share_sheet&igshid=7t1ihr1fggr4

I am literally gutted right now, after listening to the podcast and seeing these pics. I'm so intrigued as to how this would have been before all the reshoots.

Same man! Also seeing different designs for predator heads, man I really want to see more photos of the second Frendlie predator, it looks nice!

I don't understand all this clamoring for some extended cut like it would have made a difference in the quality of the movie. Its trash. It was trash when it was just a script. People are acting like the cutting of two of the dumbest looking predator designs in history, made the movie bad. If anything they cut some of the crappier ideas they had and did us a favor. Which isn't say much at all considering the crap we got.

Quote from: brokentusk420 on Oct 05, 2018, 11:56:02 PM
I don't understand all this clamoring for some extended cut like it would have made a difference in the quality of the movie. Its trash. It was trash when it was just a script. People are acting like the cutting of two of the dumbest looking predator designs in history, made the movie bad. If anything they cut some of the crappier ideas they had and did us a favor. Which isn't say much at all considering the crap we got.

Predator spiders, imagine how deep into shit shame black was going to put the franchice, they decided to cut and reshoot even having to put a lot of money, imagine how bad it was, i mean what we got is bad as hell, i cant imagine something worse

People really are being too hard on this direct to DVD movie. It's going to be great on those boring ass Thursday night reruns.

:D

Quote from: BigDaddyJohn on Oct 05, 2018, 01:29:23 PM

Spoiler

THE ARK IS DOWN

Just past the fifty yard-line. Imbedded in the turf.

AND THERE'S RORY

Limping from the ship. Disoriented.

McKenna starts toward him. His expression suggests that once
he has the boy in his arms, he's not likely to let go.

At which point, the "DEFECTOR" PREDATORS RISE SLOWLY,
throatily CLICKING... Grab their WEAPONS.

Then? Everything goes to hell. Striding across the field --

THE UPGRADE. Big as life.

Raises the GAUNTLET. Promptly spikes an ION BLAST through
each of the smaller Predators; DISINTEGRATING them --

[close]

Can't believe some people actually get paid to write such bad scripts, the lines that were used, such cringe garbage. Easy money right there.

Poor writing indeed.

Purely out of curiosity, I would like to see a close-up of that second yet to fully be seen "Emissary" Predator.

They got scrubbed really quick via Ion blast huh? Man there were better Predator fights in the comics than that. It should have been longer, show off more to how Upgrade is superior to them via close combat or intelligence. Plus a different take on the Pred/human team ups is a interesting take now against another Pred, especially a Upgrade. Plus the Emissary Preds could have explained more to why the Upgrade exists and the whole clan war thing going on. The Emissary Preds could have delivered so much to the table, this sucks.  :'(

Plus I don't get how people got upset with the military fatigues. Why is it in media that humans can adopt alien stuff but the reverse is forbidden? Sure Pred tech is better by far but as it shows, its not replaced entirely. They still got the shurikens, plasmacasters, wristblades, and cloaking tech for example. Hell, Fugitive made good use of our low tier guns during his escape.

Quote from: Mr.Turok on Oct 07, 2018, 07:01:42 AM
They got scrubbed really quick via Ion blast huh? Man there were better Predator fights in the comics than that. It should have been longer, show off more to how Upgrade is superior to them via close combat or intelligence. Plus a different take on the Pred/human team ups is a interesting take now against another Pred, especially a Upgrade. Plus the Emissary Preds could have explained more to why the Upgrade exists and the whole clan war thing going on. The Emissary Preds could have delivered so much to the table, this sucks.  :'(

I'm not sure if that kept over to the filmed stuff (I'm going to ask Kyle/Brian actually) but damn, none of the films have really brought that Predator on Predator action on screen in a genuinely exciting fashion. I'd love to see a proper drawn out and exciting sequence.

Del

Quote from: Whiskeybrewer on Oct 01, 2018, 12:18:31 PM
That looks great.

I beg to differ

Quote from: Samhain13 on Oct 06, 2018, 02:49:27 AM

Quote from: BigDaddyJohn on Oct 05, 2018, 01:29:23 PM

Spoiler

THE ARK IS DOWN

Just past the fifty yard-line. Imbedded in the turf.

AND THERE'S RORY

Limping from the ship. Disoriented.

McKenna starts toward him. His expression suggests that once
he has the boy in his arms, he's not likely to let go.

At which point, the "DEFECTOR" PREDATORS RISE SLOWLY,
throatily CLICKING... Grab their WEAPONS.

Then? Everything goes to hell. Striding across the field --

THE UPGRADE. Big as life.

Raises the GAUNTLET. Promptly spikes an ION BLAST through
each of the smaller Predators; DISINTEGRATING them --

[close]

Can't believe some people actually get paid to write such bad scripts, the lines that were used, such cringe garbage. Easy money right there.

I think the emissaries could have been a decent addition to the movie, it's just the way they were taken out was so underwhelming. We get that the Upgrade is strong - but for them to be wiped so quickly and after saying something along the lines of, "yeah - there may be no hope after all" is just... wasteful of their potential  :-\

Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Oct 07, 2018, 10:04:07 AM

Quote from: Mr.Turok on Oct 07, 2018, 07:01:42 AM
They got scrubbed really quick via Ion blast huh? Man there were better Predator fights in the comics than that. It should have been longer, show off more to how Upgrade is superior to them via close combat or intelligence. Plus a different take on the Pred/human team ups is a interesting take now against another Pred, especially a Upgrade. Plus the Emissary Preds could have explained more to why the Upgrade exists and the whole clan war thing going on. The Emissary Preds could have delivered so much to the table, this sucks.  :'(

I'm not sure if that kept over to the filmed stuff (I'm going to ask Kyle/Brian actually) but damn, none of the films have really brought that Predator on Predator action on screen in a genuinely exciting fashion. I'd love to see a proper drawn out and exciting sequence.

They didn't explicitly die in the filmed footage. They were both knocked from the APC when they were trying to use their cable weapons and the Upgrade uses a net weapon to catch the cable and send them flying. Their fate is left open ended.

Alas the planned sequel "Predator: Hitchhikers" will no longer see the light of day.

Quote from: happypred on Oct 08, 2018, 04:39:44 AM

Quote from: Whiskeybrewer on Oct 01, 2018, 12:18:31 PM
That looks great.

I beg to differ

You dont have to beg, but we can differ. I purposefully avoided all the leaked stuff before the film came out and seeing it now i felt it could have been a great opportunity.

But i can understand why some people didnt

Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Oct 08, 2018, 06:17:38 AM

Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Oct 07, 2018, 10:04:07 AM

Quote from: Mr.Turok on Oct 07, 2018, 07:01:42 AM
They got scrubbed really quick via Ion blast huh? Man there were better Predator fights in the comics than that. It should have been longer, show off more to how Upgrade is superior to them via close combat or intelligence. Plus a different take on the Pred/human team ups is a interesting take now against another Pred, especially a Upgrade. Plus the Emissary Preds could have explained more to why the Upgrade exists and the whole clan war thing going on. The Emissary Preds could have delivered so much to the table, this sucks.  :'(

I'm not sure if that kept over to the filmed stuff (I'm going to ask Kyle/Brian actually) but damn, none of the films have really brought that Predator on Predator action on screen in a genuinely exciting fashion. I'd love to see a proper drawn out and exciting sequence.

They didn't explicitly die in the filmed footage. They were both knocked from the APC when they were trying to use their cable weapons and the Upgrade uses a net weapon to catch the cable and send them flying. Their fate is left open ended.

Well, that looks interesting.

The faces are cool looking, dread weave too...but the plot...and the armor...Better off without them.

https://www.instagram.com/p/BopGCPkH04y/?taken-by=actorkylestrauts

Looks like one of my neighbors...

Let me guess - tumblr blogger ?

Naah, just a crooked PTSD criminal

both are not mutually exclusive you know   :laugh:

Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Oct 08, 2018, 06:17:38 AM

Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Oct 07, 2018, 10:04:07 AM

Quote from: Mr.Turok on Oct 07, 2018, 07:01:42 AM
They got scrubbed really quick via Ion blast huh? Man there were better Predator fights in the comics than that. It should have been longer, show off more to how Upgrade is superior to them via close combat or intelligence. Plus a different take on the Pred/human team ups is a interesting take now against another Pred, especially a Upgrade. Plus the Emissary Preds could have explained more to why the Upgrade exists and the whole clan war thing going on. The Emissary Preds could have delivered so much to the table, this sucks.  :'(

I'm not sure if that kept over to the filmed stuff (I'm going to ask Kyle/Brian actually) but damn, none of the films have really brought that Predator on Predator action on screen in a genuinely exciting fashion. I'd love to see a proper drawn out and exciting sequence.

They didn't explicitly die in the filmed footage. They were both knocked from the APC when they were trying to use their cable weapons and the Upgrade uses a net weapon to catch the cable and send them flying. Their fate is left open ended.

Damm I feel so picky saying this but sending the Preds away like that and not showing up is even a huge fault. Just pull a Jurassic World and have them tossed into a fire and explode or something instead of open endedness. Otherwise the audience expects them to be back later on.

Actually they should pull a Jurassic World, that scene when Blue came back to save Roberta was actually f**kin intense that the whole audience got up and cheered. That shit would be cool!

I wonder how finished the effects were in those shots?

Quote from: Mr.Turok on Oct 11, 2018, 04:08:49 PM

Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Oct 08, 2018, 06:17:38 AM

Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Oct 07, 2018, 10:04:07 AM

Quote from: Mr.Turok on Oct 07, 2018, 07:01:42 AM
They got scrubbed really quick via Ion blast huh? Man there were better Predator fights in the comics than that. It should have been longer, show off more to how Upgrade is superior to them via close combat or intelligence. Plus a different take on the Pred/human team ups is a interesting take now against another Pred, especially a Upgrade. Plus the Emissary Preds could have explained more to why the Upgrade exists and the whole clan war thing going on. The Emissary Preds could have delivered so much to the table, this sucks.  :'(

I'm not sure if that kept over to the filmed stuff (I'm going to ask Kyle/Brian actually) but damn, none of the films have really brought that Predator on Predator action on screen in a genuinely exciting fashion. I'd love to see a proper drawn out and exciting sequence.

They didn't explicitly die in the filmed footage. They were both knocked from the APC when they were trying to use their cable weapons and the Upgrade uses a net weapon to catch the cable and send them flying. Their fate is left open ended.

Damm I feel so picky saying this but sending the Preds away like that and not showing up is even a huge fault. Just pull a Jurassic World and have them tossed into a fire and explode or something instead of open endedness. Otherwise the audience expects them to be back later on.

Actually they should pull a Jurassic World, that scene when Blue came back to save Roberta was actually f**kin intense that the whole audience got up and cheered. That shit would be cool!

I agree that scene in jw is great,  the movie is not perfect but has good moments

It's not JW. It's the obvious underdog winning that is a classic tale of heroism that get's cheered for.

https://twitter.com/FreddyInSpace/status/1050861499902767105

Fingers crossed that it opens doors...

Quote from: skull-splitter on Oct 12, 2018, 07:46:12 AM
It's not JW. It's the obvious underdog winning that is a classic tale of heroism that get's cheered for.

Nah man. It was the fact that everyone, including myself thought Blue died after how hard she was slammed into the wall and how lifelessly she slid off it. Seeing how all the other raptors died, everyone thought she was done as done can be. Add to the fact that Roberta was going to get chomped up, with the idea all the raptors died, no one thought Blue actually made it until that awesome moment.

You're missing the point ;)

Quote from: ace3g on Oct 13, 2018, 02:21:43 AM
https://twitter.com/FreddyInSpace/status/1050861499902767105

Wrong pictures :D That's actually the figure of the other, pinkish Emissary. Not the one on the photo.

I hope they also include the predator underpants as an extra...
Now seriously, the one from neca looks cool, stupid, but cool

https://www.instagram.com/p/Bo4bkDinRoE/?tagged=thepredator

Quote from: ace3g on Oct 14, 2018, 01:39:59 AM
https://www.instagram.com/p/Bo4bkDinRoE/?tagged=thepredator

All he needs now is the game on and a cold beer!

After they were knocked off the APC they must have taken refuge in Rory's house.  :P

Lol yes. And argue with his wife.

I genuinely dislike the multi camo suit. Makes them too human.

Quote from: brain_damage on Oct 14, 2018, 09:19:45 AM
Lol yes. And argue with his wife.

I genuinely dislike the multi camo suit. Makes them too human.

It is rather silly, even drab or desert would be OK.

I mean- why the hell would they adopt something ours? Why would they put pattern camo when they have the epiphany of camouflage- invisibility?

Just to copy what I said in the figure thread >>

I'd rationalised it as they've just been here that long. Their own clothing, equipment, whatever, was damaged in previous engagements or just over time and so they just made do with local substitutes.

I really do love face of that bastard. And i have no problem with their armor, but hope that it had some explanation in film/

One ugly motherf**ker.

What would u have thought seeing Predators wearing arming camouflage pants. Thing I don't get why would they be wearing them when they can go invisible. I'm so glad they didn't do that. It was a really stupid idea.

Merged with existing thread about the Emissary Predators.

https://www.instagram.com/p/BpC7-xJgEUw/?utm_source=ig_share_sheet&igshid=1v184ne431umk

I'm still not certain how I feel towards these Emissary Predators, but I really hope we're going to be able to see a great deal of this stuff on the blu-ray.

However, often with movies that endured heavy narrative changing reshoots, the changes are never acknowledged / included in the supplementals of its initial breakout home video release

Still, fingers crossed.

I don't get why both have the same mask as the Fugitive.

I found the Pred outfits in general to be lacking that certain 80s retrograde/tribal influence.

They (the filmmakers) probably wanted to imply they all were from the same clan this way.

That makes sense.

I can definitely see this upgrade clan not supporting individuality / individualists for sure. The same type of clan that would have a fugitive. The same type of clan that would invade a planet, and kill other than for sport.

I really don't get it too. Predator mask makes allot of the creatures personality. With emissaries there was four of those in TP. The desing is really not that great.

The logic of the team making it being that they just wanted to break with tradition for the sake of being new...

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Funny how there are some really cool concepts but at the end of the day they went with the more "generic' look and better yet stuck him in US military gear.

I will point out that ADI were not responsible for how they were dressed. That was handled by the costuming department.

Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Dec 06, 2018, 01:35:48 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4N58PkPAQzA

Great video. I'm glad ADI shared this. It's great to see all the conceptual artwork.

Speaking independently in regards to "The Predator" project specifically, while their artists have an overabundance of talent, I overall see their conceptual ideas as disappointing, and I'm glad they were not seen to fruition.  While some I find interesting, most gives off a very AVP vibe in their designs, where their Predators simply are no longer looking like Predators.  Some almost feel more fitting for the "Avatar" franchise. No wonder in the recent AVPG podcast, Alec revealed he was told to dial it back some.

And I hope I'm not coming across as harsh, but that one Emissary with the ridge on his head, looks like high quality cosplay versus the cinematic quality we've come to enjoy in Predator, Predator 2 and Predators, under the same badly lit conditions / behind-the-scenes captured footage. (The other Emissary Predator on the tank however, does look better).

With that said, I'm definitely very happy with ADI's work with the look of the Fugitive Predator, as well as their contributions into the CG Assasin Upgrade.

Personally, i love the designs of the two cut Predators. I like the variation of them, gives me a very Predator 2 vibe. I just wish we could see them in full Predator glory without the military stuff, at night, in cool lighting.

Well, they have the molds and can save money on future movies.

Quote from: Johnny Handsome on Dec 06, 2018, 03:25:14 PM
Personally, i love the designs of the two cut Predators. I like the variation of them, gives me a very Predator 2 vibe. I just wish we could see them in full Predator glory without the military stuff, at night, in cool lighting.

I love variation too, but with Stan's designs you didn't need cool lighting to make them look good. But if you take the AVP heads for instance, the more lit, the worse they looked (imo).

(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/gallery/albums/movies/predator2/behind/behind09.jpg)

(https://www.stanwinstonschool.com/ckeditor_assets/pictures/4331/content_29.jpg)

Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Dec 06, 2018, 02:20:41 PM
I will point out that ADI were not responsible for how they were dressed. That was handled by the costuming department.

It is a shame, though. Would have been very interesting to see them suited up for combat, the 'proper' way.

I would think working on a predator or alien movie for fox studios could be a frustrating time . Not knowing what is going to make it in the movie.

A lot of the Pred design work for this movie remind me of ST:NG Klingons. If someone said, "These are the Klingons," I wouldn't even raise an eyebrow. They'd be great Klingons :D

Ken Barthelemy is an absolute boss at Drawing. His rendering technique is godlike.

/envious.

Why do they have to ruin everything? It's Stan Winston design that people want with a good story.  Is that so hard to ask for? It's like they are trying to reinvent the wheel.  It's never gonna happen. 

Quote from: brokentusk420 on Dec 06, 2018, 08:06:28 PM
Why do they have to ruin everything? It's Stan Winston design that people want with a good story.  Is that so hard to ask for? It's like they are trying to reinvent the wheel.

Indeed.

As requested, your new Predator designs are on its way Mr. Black, in our newly designed truck!   ;D

(https://media3.giphy.com/media/10640GYyK1INZ6/giphy.gif?cid=19f5b51a5c0986496b736f6967c31bfa)

I think the face concepts are great. Shows individuality among a species. Makes them more believable.

awsum! I realy hope that 1 day they will bring a book out dedicated to the concept art for this film, it looks great, such a shame its not been shown off, id buy it in a heartbeat.

I actualy like differnt designs. It gets boring if they all look the same. I dont wa t a radicly different one though, just changes in colour, teeth and horns and stuff.

I am all for deviation, heck I even really like the Super Predator Bezerker!

I would guess, maybe it comes down to faith in the execution for me.  After AVP, AVPR & this Emissary in The Predator... the only faith I have in ADI is their ability to re-create the Stan Winston design(i.e. The Fugitive), nothing else.  :-\

(https://i.ibb.co/9nnm3zx/IMG-20181206-183911.jpg)

I'm totally down for "species variation," I loved the different coloring, but a lot of those concept faces were really strange, almost like a different race entirely. I will say that some of the designs toward the beginning of the video with the cloaks and sashes were beautiful! It would have been fascinating to see an on-screen pred in something other than hunting gear.

Quote from: yautjapet on Dec 07, 2018, 12:37:13 AM
I'm totally down for "species variation," I loved the different coloring, but a lot of those concept faces were really strange, almost like a different race entirely. I will say that some of the designs toward the beginning of the video with the cloaks and sashes were beautiful! It would have been fascinating to see an on-screen pred in something other than hunting gear.

Do you mean these, because these are the few ones I liked too. They are thinner, have their dreads pulled back, but most importantly, facially still look like Yautja?  Yes, very interesting indeed!

(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2018/12/PREDATOR-2018-Emissary-Predator-Concepts-ADI1080P.MP4_000102143.png)

The clothing designs are pretty good, definitly what I can imagine a civilian Pred would wear.

Good to see the ADI Predators still can't CLOSE THEIR f**kING MOUTHS.

Quote from: yautjapet on Dec 07, 2018, 12:37:13 AM
I'm totally down for "species variation," I loved the different coloring, but a lot of those concept faces were really strange, almost like a different race entirely. I will say that some of the designs toward the beginning of the video with the cloaks and sashes were beautiful! It would have been fascinating to see an on-screen pred in something other than hunting gear.

I sort of felt the same way on some of them.  If I recall correctly, they were toying with the idea of making the emissaries have a non-standard look, since their role was going to be somewhat different than the traditional Predator.  So in that respect, I liked the looks of some of the outfits in the drawings and the slender (maybe feminine?) features of several faces.  Not sure about the looks of the Preds they chose to "bring to life" though...  It could be just due to the purple skin tone that I'm unfamiliar with.

I dislike how streamlined they try to make the face and shrinking the mandibles down. What P2 nailed was having a design that was radically different, but felt absolutely at home with the first film. These kind'a don't.

https://twitter.com/alec_gillis/status/1070935025842094080

I don't know why but I just really love some of that head-gear. I know it's not exact but I get a very tribal head-wear feeling from it.

Quote from: yautjapet on Dec 07, 2018, 12:37:13 AM
I'm totally down for "species variation," I loved the different coloring, but a lot of those concept faces were really strange, almost like a different race entirely.

Imagine this quote were spoken by an extraterrestrial, viewing images of a myriad selection of humans from around the world from different ethnicities.

It was better in this then the last 3. In predators he couldnt move his jaw at all. In the predator his mouth was closed fine after the assassin pulls his mask off, but I think it was cgi.

Quote from: Xenomrph on Dec 07, 2018, 09:59:36 AM

Quote from: yautjapet on Dec 07, 2018, 12:37:13 AM
I'm totally down for "species variation," I loved the different coloring, but a lot of those concept faces were really strange, almost like a different race entirely.

Imagine this quote were spoken by an extraterrestrial, viewing images of a myriad selection of humans from around the world from different ethnicities.

Maybe they wanted them to have different castes with different purposes and different physical  appereance and attributes. Like warriors, diplomats, priests, scientists etc.

Kinda like the Tau from Warhammer 40k have them :

(https://i.pinimg.com/originals/d3/8a/df/d38adf3adc0212bf8a4983df61e667cb.png)

Quote from: yautjapet on Dec 07, 2018, 12:37:13 AM
I'm totally down for "species variation," I loved the different coloring, but a lot of those concept faces were really strange, almost like a different race entirely. I will say that some of the designs toward the beginning of the video with the cloaks and sashes were beautiful! It would have been fascinating to see an on-screen pred in something other than hunting gear.

You do get that 80% of this planet can be labeled as ugly only to have 20% being pretty by perception?

It seems they played a bit around with the female predators. And I like it. The face is much smoother and they are a bit skinner than the other predator concepts. I would love to see more about the cultural backround of the predators. It would be cool to see the male ones more as the warriors and the females as scientists. The homeworld should be very technological advanced and the society very prosperous.

I really do love these Yautja societal ideas, but unfortunately they're likely way too lofty for a Shane Black / Fred Dekker film unfortunately.

I'd say they're as uninspired as anything Black and Dekker did. Cutting Predator roles along racial and gender lines is just...  Kinda lame.

Quote from: SiL on Dec 08, 2018, 03:57:11 AM
I'd say they're as uninspired as anything Black and Dekker did. Cutting Predator roles along racial and gender lines is just...  Kinda lame.

I don't think they cut the roles along gender or racial lines. I think it has more to do with  the  genetic modification they introduced in the movie. It makes sense that not only their warriors are modified to play their role better, but their diplomats, scientists etc as well, explaining the different appearance . Still kinda lame though.

I meant the fan ideas people were coming up with cut the roles along those lines. See 'males are hunters, females are scientists' up above.

This just really shows that the more you elaborate in a lousy backstory, the more the whole thing loses its appeal. These concepts are so naive.

Quote from: SiL on Dec 08, 2018, 03:57:11 AM
I'd say they're as uninspired as anything Black and Dekker did. Cutting Predator roles along racial and gender lines is just...  Kinda lame.

It makes them seem a little too "human".
Not even that, it's too "sterile". Even humans (generally) don't cut roles along racial and gender lines, at the risk of seeming, you know, racist or sexist. :P

I mean yeah there's a place in sci-fi for interesting stories about one's role in society and whether one is "born" to be in a certain role, but I don't think "Predator culture" is the place for it.

That said,



re: the design concepts, I dig some of the designs early in the video with the dreadlocks "bundled" up and tied back behind the head, it re-frames the shape of the Predator head in an interesting way without full-on redesigning it (although the particular artwork felt a little "stylized").

The "scale plating" idea at 1:16 reminds me of the armor from 'AvP', especially the bit running down the middle of the chest and abdomen. Putting scale plates on the dreadlocks themselves is a novel idea, though. And the one at 1:21 feels like Berserker's armor from 'Predators', with the straps and cloth bands.
The one at 1:38 feels very "low-tech Prometheus" - the lower-abdomen ribbing and the ridges going up the neck remind me of the Engineer from the end of the movie, but then it's got cloth sleeves and whatnot.

Also while this might have just been because they weren't the focus, I like how the naked Predator body designs don't have anything resembling human genitalia.
I'm serious - I remember an idea tossed around that "male" and "female" Predators would be visually indistinguishable, and that any of the Predators in any of the movies could conceivably be male or female and the audience would have no idea. I always thought that was a neat approach.

I agree with SiL that the face concepts feel a little thin and squished, but I think part of that is the perspective. The faces look too "flat", but almost all of the designs are from straight-on. If they had some accompanying profile or quarter-profile drawings, I might find them more appealing - the designs didn't really start to fall into place for me until the 3D renders at 5:30
On one hand I'm not real big on the large, pronounced ridges going down the center of the top of the head, but on the flip side, shaking up the shape of the head in radical ways goes a pretty long way towards conveying "these are individuals" more than just changing their colors.
And in the BTS clips of filming the Emissary Predators, some of the more pronounced design features from the artwork feel a lot less extreme and it comes together a bit better.

I like some of the designs, but most are changing the overall shape too much to be too human. Keep them lumpy and ugly and find more creative ways to differentiate them.

Edit

To that end I think the finished versions were probably the best of the designs presented.

Quote from: SiL on Dec 08, 2018, 12:25:10 PM
I like some of the designs, but most are changing the overall shape too much to be too human. Keep them lumpy and ugly and find more creative ways to differentiate them.

Edit

To that end I think the finished versions were probably the best of the designs presented.

What do you mean by "too human"? Like, as opposed to the Predator designs from the other movies.

By shrinking the mandibles down to effectively tumours with teeth on the upper and lower jaw, they're streamlining the face into ever more human forms and proportions. You might be right in that it's because the pictures are front on, but as concept art impression is everything.

Quote from: SiL on Dec 08, 2018, 12:49:11 PM
By shrinking the mandibles down to effectively tumours with teeth on the upper and lower jaw, they're streamlining the face into ever more human forms and proportions. You might be right in that it's because the pictures are front on, but as concept art impression is everything.

Totally.
I agree, the ones with the small mandibles felt the most "off" to me - although I think there is potential in varying the mandible and tooth sizes as a way of differentiating individuals, just like how different humans and animals have different jaw shapes and facial structures.

I think the eyes and brows felt "Predator" enough across almost all of the designs that it never felt too human to me, but I agree the narrower mouths feel more human and not in a good way.

5 and 6 in the slideshow that were posted were the worst offenders. Some of them later - around 10 onwards I think - had interesting variations with definite Predator features that I liked, and I think it's weird we've never seen Predators onscreen do anything with their hair. Such a simple addition to make them stand out. Comics do it well.

Speaking of comics, I think they can get away with "stylizing" Predator designs in ways that live action can't. Like there are a lot of Predator comics that heavily change up how Predator faces look ('Predator: Homeworld' comes to mind) and I can dig it on a "creative interpretation" level even if it's not my cup of tea, but translating some of those designs to live-action would be a disaster. :P I think a bunch of these concept drawings illustrate that pretty well.

Quote from: SiL on Dec 08, 2018, 09:38:36 AM
I meant the fan ideas people were coming up with cut the roles along those lines. See 'males are hunters, females are scientists' up above.

Well of course that would be totally inappropriate.  Recently, going with the premise that Super Predators were practicing dna manipulation as the "Predators" script suggests, someone attempted to make the point that the Assasin Upgrade from "The Predator" could not belong to the same rogue, blasphemous Yautja clan with the Supers, because the Supers were a black subspecies and the Upgrade was not - and therefore, the Upgrade must have come from the honorable clan depicted in Predator, Predator 2 etc.  Hoping this fellow fan just didn't realize what they were saying, just didn't realize how it was sounding, or what inappropriate parallels could be made, I just explained associating ideology with Yautja subspecies or race was problematic and extremely narrow thinking. And that goes with gender too.

Fred Dekker has posted an explanation of why the Emissary Predators were cut in the comments on his FB page.

Quote from: MrPeterKeyes666 on Dec 08, 2018, 07:05:48 PM
Fred Dekker has posted an explanation of why the Emissary Predators were cut in the comments on his FB page.

Copy and paste of what he said -

QuoteIt was a mutual decision. We grew concerned that we were already making a movie that veered away from fan expectations, and when we showed it to some small, select audiences, our concerns were validated... so we removed the Emissaries AND the hybrids in favor of a traditional "hunt" finale, which -- in my opinion -- squandered the notion that the Predators have a larger, unseen civilization and other concerns besides sports hunting -- like, for instance, saving their civilization from extinction. It was decided that this, plus the humor in the film, was too much for the Predator fan base to swallow... and sadly, the box office and critical reception proved we were right. We should have made a cheaper, more predictable movie, and not tried to do something new.

But what do I know? I was just the co-writer.

Doing something new was fine.

Doing what they specifically did, less so...

Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Dec 08, 2018, 07:57:32 PM

Copy and paste of what he said -

It was a mutual decision. We grew concerned that we were already making a movie that veered away from fan expectations, and when we showed it to some small, select audiences, our concerns were validated... so we removed the Emissaries AND the hybrids in favor of a traditional "hunt" finale, which -- in my opinion -- squandered the notion that the Predators have a larger, unseen civilization and other concerns besides sports hunting -- like, for instance, saving their civilization from extinction. It was decided that this, plus the humor in the film, was too much for the Predator fan base to swallow... and sadly, the box office and critical reception proved we were right. We should have made a cheaper, more predictable movie, and not tried to do something new.

But what do I know? I was just the co-writer.

So the problem was not the quality in scripting, casting, direction and execution, it was that they tried something new and the fans (and critics?) wanted predictable.

Quote from: SiL on Dec 08, 2018, 08:05:04 PM
Doing something new was fine.

Doing what they specifically did, less so...

Indeed.

Quote from: Xenomrph on Dec 08, 2018, 01:10:31 PM
Speaking of comics, I think they can get away with "stylizing" Predator designs in ways that live action can't. Like there are a lot of Predator comics that heavily change up how Predator faces look ('Predator: Homeworld' comes to mind) and I can dig it on a "creative interpretation" level even if it's not my cup of tea, but translating some of those designs to live-action would be a disaster. :P I think a bunch of these concept drawings illustrate that pretty well.

Gillis mentioned in the podcast that having to design around putting a human head under the mask really changes how the head can look. A lot of fan art and comic stuff couldn't be done as suits that required an actor's eyes to be used in the mask, for example. Really interesting stuff.

The hybrids were not removed though, Fugitive and Ultimate are hybrids.

Quote from: The Cruentus on Dec 09, 2018, 11:31:24 AM
The hybrids were not removed though, Fugitive and Ultimate are hybrids.

Yes they both were.
Was it Fugitive or Ultimate that was experimented on in the flashback? Is there any information on that?

Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Dec 08, 2018, 08:31:11 PM

Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Dec 08, 2018, 07:57:32 PM

Copy and paste of what he said -

It was a mutual decision. We grew concerned that we were already making a movie that veered away from fan expectations, and when we showed it to some small, select audiences, our concerns were validated... so we removed the Emissaries AND the hybrids in favor of a traditional "hunt" finale, which -- in my opinion -- squandered the notion that the Predators have a larger, unseen civilization and other concerns besides sports hunting -- like, for instance, saving their civilization from extinction. It was decided that this, plus the humor in the film, was too much for the Predator fan base to swallow... and sadly, the box office and critical reception proved we were right. We should have made a cheaper, more predictable movie, and not tried to do something new.

But what do I know? I was just the co-writer.

So the problem was not the quality in scripting, casting, direction and execution, it was that they tried something new and the fans (and critics?) wanted predictable.

Quote from: SiL on Dec 08, 2018, 08:05:04 PM
Doing something new was fine.

Doing what they specifically did, less so...

Indeed.

It's the fine line (not that subtle though) between adding to a franchise and just kicking it in the nuts by doing the complete opposite of what fans love.

In a way, The Last Jedi toyed with people's expectations too, but it managed to keep it all in character (if you're willing to accept it not living up to your personal fanboy dreams) rather than just make it about something completely different.

The Predator is a nice film, just a very poorly thought through sequel. Whoever pushed this through Fox should ask themselves if they get what the franchise is about.

Quote from: The Cruentus on Dec 09, 2018, 11:31:24 AM
The hybrids were not removed though, Fugitive and Ultimate are hybrids.

I think they mean some of the more extreme hybrid creature designs.

Yeah, the Pred Monkeys and the like, unleashed from the Ark.

I think most would agree from the get go that the script didn't made much sense overall. What happened next is a mix between Shane wanting some of his vision to be present in the movie and studio interferences.

Yeah, it seemed like a lost cause from the start. The version we got or the original, it would have made little difference overall.

Quote from: TheKurgan on Dec 09, 2018, 02:20:53 PM
Yeah, it seemed like a lost cause from the start. The version we got or the original, it would have made little difference overall.

I think it would be much, much worse if the studio didn't intervene. It really looks like Fox backtracked this movie from being maybe a franchise killer to a not great, but still watchable (imo) Predator movie.

At least we were spared the predmonkeys and the other abominations.

Indeed. Spared from pred-monkeys, pred-spiders, Yautja puffing on a cigarettes.. too bad they left in the cutsey-wutsey pred-dog that befriends the loonies..  awwww so cute!  :P

Well to me it's a fake predator movie, pretty much a Shane Black movie, and a fun movie overall.

Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Dec 08, 2018, 07:57:32 PM

Quote from: MrPeterKeyes666 on Dec 08, 2018, 07:05:48 PM
Fred Dekker has posted an explanation of why the Emissary Predators were cut in the comments on his FB page.

Copy and paste of what he said -

QuoteIt was a mutual decision. We grew concerned that we were already making a movie that veered away from fan expectations, and when we showed it to some small, select audiences, our concerns were validated... so we removed the Emissaries AND the hybrids in favor of a traditional "hunt" finale, which -- in my opinion -- squandered the notion that the Predators have a larger, unseen civilization and other concerns besides sports hunting -- like, for instance, saving their civilization from extinction. It was decided that this, plus the humor in the film, was too much for the Predator fan base to swallow... and sadly, the box office and critical reception proved we were right. We should have made a cheaper, more predictable movie, and not tried to do something new.

But what do I know? I was just the co-writer.

Too much at one time.  If they had focused on adding new angles to the franchise in smaller doses, it could have gone a whole lot better.  But everything together was just...so, so much. 

Quote from: BigDaddyJohn on Dec 09, 2018, 03:24:41 PM
Well to me it's a fake predator movie, pretty much a Shane Black movie, and a fun movie overall.

It was entertaining as far as monster movies go.  Maybe this is what fans thought when Predator first aired, "what a great monster movie!  Now lets move on..." except they (we) never did  :P

Quote from: Wysps on Dec 09, 2018, 05:18:44 PM
It was entertaining as far as monster movies go.  Maybe this is what fans thought when Predator first aired, "what a great monster movie!  Now lets move on..." except they (we) never did  :P

At the time, based on my experience, being alive and excited my Mother was taking me to this Rated R movie called "Predator", people weren't calling it a great monster movie. They were calling it a great Schwarzenegger movie.

Yet to some of us, the guy sporting the mandibles was the true star!  ;D

Quote from: SiL on Dec 08, 2018, 10:21:15 PM

Quote from: Xenomrph on Dec 08, 2018, 01:10:31 PM
Speaking of comics, I think they can get away with "stylizing" Predator designs in ways that live action can't. Like there are a lot of Predator comics that heavily change up how Predator faces look ('Predator: Homeworld' comes to mind) and I can dig it on a "creative interpretation" level even if it's not my cup of tea, but translating some of those designs to live-action would be a disaster. :P I think a bunch of these concept drawings illustrate that pretty well.

Gillis mentioned in the podcast that having to design around putting a human head under the mask really changes how the head can look. A lot of fan art and comic stuff couldn't be done as suits that required an actor's eyes to be used in the mask, for example. Really interesting stuff.

That's a load of BS. Stan Winston studio made the original design with a human under the mask on mind TWICE and had zero problems.  It was his designs that made us all fall in love with this character.  Not Gillis and his cronies awful designs. All they have to do is give us the original designs with small tweaks.  Not these stupid looking crab shell head predators with these warped facial proportions.  All these designs including those derpy looking emissary costumes look like something someone dreamt up having seen predator only once and never again. Then they were asked to make a predator design with just that vague image their brain recalled. Like I've said before this movie is a hollow barley recognizable shell of a predator.

You've completely misunderstood the point of what was being said. Nobody was saying that the bad designs are excused because they had to make them around a human head. The point was simply that a lot of the variations we see in comics and fan art wouldn't actually work if you had to make them as something that would fit onto an actor's face. That's all.

Pff. It's totally unwatchable. I've watched some weirdness in my time but this is a WHOLE other level of junk! It makes no sense and I am never watching it again. Offensive and rubbish on EVERY level. We were 'Rick Rolled'.

Quote from: SiL on Dec 09, 2018, 11:54:03 PM
You've completely misunderstood the point of what was being said. Nobody was saying that the bad designs are excused because they had to make them around a human head. The point was simply that a lot of the variations we see in comics and fan art wouldn't actually work if you had to make them as something that would fit onto an actor's face. That's all.

While that's true (and is an interesting component of creature I hadn't given a lot of thought to), does ADI try to use that point for justification in why the Predator heads look the way they do? Because in that case, I think brokentusk has a point that the first two movies didn't have that problem.
I'm genuinely asking because I haven't listened to the podcast.

It's one of the reasons Predator heads in general look the way they do. He says that the two Emissary Predators look different to each other because one actor's eyes are closer together. He also said Wolf had a differently shaped head without the mask because they weren't restricted by using the actor's eyes.

It's just something that is always taken into consideration in costume designs that fans and comics don't worry about, not an excuse for anything.

Quote from: SiL on Dec 11, 2018, 09:26:43 AM
It's one of the reasons Predator heads in general look the way they do. He says that the two Emissary Predators look different to each other because one actor's eyes are closer together. He also said Wolf had a differently shaped head without the mask because they weren't restricted by using the actor's eyes.

That's really interesting, thanks. :)

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I appreciate Kyle's getting into character LOL

"We should have made a cheaper, more predictable movie, and not tried to do something new."

You should've wrote something good
ya' f**kin' hack.

New ideas aren't bad in of themselves,
your new ideas are.

Yeah, that does sound bitter, like he's trying to shift the blame onto the audience. Never insult the audience. Dumb ideas get a pass if they're executed well and if the movie is extremely fun. There were not enough merits here to forgive the hideously bad ideas. They didn't work, that's all. People didn't like them enough, the end.

Indeed.

Here's some work that will give ADI a run for their money.

https://www.facebook.com/InkFxTion-Studios-275830922437192/?ti=as (https://www.facebook.com/InkFxTion-Studios-275830922437192/?ti=as)

Great stuff -- but no, it won't.

Quote from: SiL on Jan 31, 2019, 12:11:14 PM
Great stuff -- but no, it won't.

In your opinion. Just like mine.  ::)

I like them

Quote from: Whiskeybrewer on Jan 31, 2019, 02:09:56 PM
I like them

The Emissaries?

Quote from: AhabPredator on Jan 31, 2019, 11:58:45 AM
https://www.facebook.com/InkFxTion-Studios-275830922437192/?ti=as (https://www.facebook.com/InkFxTion-Studios-275830922437192/?ti=as)

At least they know how to make the mandibles right.

Quote from: Samhain13 on Jan 31, 2019, 02:41:48 PM

Quote from: AhabPredator on Jan 31, 2019, 11:58:45 AM
https://www.facebook.com/InkFxTion-Studios-275830922437192/?ti=as (https://www.facebook.com/InkFxTion-Studios-275830922437192/?ti=as)

At least they know how to make the mandibles right.

Thank you.

But apparently, no matter how many people say that it trumps the work of ADI. It's still not enough for some armchair critics.  ::)

Everything sucks. Nothing is good.

The negativity gets old.

Quote from: AhabPredator on Jan 31, 2019, 12:13:51 PM

Quote from: SiL on Jan 31, 2019, 12:11:14 PM
Great stuff -- but no, it won't.

In your opinion. Just like mine.  ::)

It won't give them a run for their money because nobody's going to hand over an entire film of work to the one guy.

Quote from: AhabPredator on Jan 31, 2019, 02:47:35 PM
But apparently, no matter how many people say that it trumps the work of ADI. It's still not enough for some armchair critics.  ::)

Everything sucks. Nothing is good.

The negativity gets old.

Who said it was bad? What imaginary person are you referring to?

He does great work, don't get shitty just because I don't share your precise level of enthusiasm.

(https://i.ibb.co/9nnm3zx/IMG-20181206-183911.jpg)

What's that got to do with anything ???

 :laugh: SiL, I was laughing when I posted it. I knew I'd get you to respond.  ;D

But read the last page or so and you might find it pertinent. If not, ignore it. Cheers!

Quote from: SiL on Jan 31, 2019, 09:40:15 PM

Quote from: AhabPredator on Jan 31, 2019, 12:13:51 PM

Quote from: SiL on Jan 31, 2019, 12:11:14 PM
Great stuff -- but no, it won't.

In your opinion. Just like mine.  ::)

It won't give them a run for their money because nobody's going to hand over an entire film of work to the one guy.

Quote from: AhabPredator on Jan 31, 2019, 02:47:35 PM
But apparently, no matter how many people say that it trumps the work of ADI. It's still not enough for some armchair critics.  ::)

Everything sucks. Nothing is good.

The negativity gets old.

Who said it was bad? What imaginary person are you referring to?

He does great work, don't get shitty just because I don't share your precise level of enthusiasm.

Projecting, much?  :D

You result to ad hominem as well. Cute.

::)

The only one protecting is you. Nobody said a bad word about the work of the guy you posted, but you go off about armchair critics.

Its one guy doing everything on his own for fun. Give him a whole team and resources... he got more potential than the ADI guys.

Then give him a director asking for a "handsome" Predator :D

Quote from: SiL on Feb 01, 2019, 02:40:31 AM
Then give him a director asking for a "handsome" Predator :D

D'ed Sexxeh

Quote from: SiL on Feb 01, 2019, 02:40:31 AM
Then give him a director asking for a "handsome" Predator :D

And a cheap rubber mask paint job!

(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi.imgur.com%2F4k9nU0O.jpg&hash=97dbdc68c87269c55c750218dab8)

He's already got that part down judging by some of his photos.

Quote from: AhabPredator on Jan 31, 2019, 11:58:45 AM
Here's some work that will give ADI a run for their money.

https://www.facebook.com/InkFxTion-Studios-275830922437192/?ti=as (https://www.facebook.com/InkFxTion-Studios-275830922437192/?ti=as)

The Scott Marshall sculpts are almost original accurate. All he did was copy the original, which is what everyone should have done and what everyone still wont do. I nearly bought one of these once.

There was an even more accurate one done by MageeFX, who apparently did have the original.

AliensFX get their stuff into commercials. Super accurate.

Quote from: Highland on Feb 01, 2019, 04:43:59 AM

Quote from: AhabPredator on Jan 31, 2019, 11:58:45 AM
Here's some work that will give ADI a run for their money.

https://www.facebook.com/InkFxTion-Studios-275830922437192/?ti=as (https://www.facebook.com/InkFxTion-Studios-275830922437192/?ti=as)

The Scott Marshall sculpts are almost original accurate. All he did was copy the original, which is what everyone should have done and what everyone still wont do. I nearly bought one of these once.

(https://media3.giphy.com/media/J5jmQF8IwNS6Y/giphy.gif?cid=19f5b51a5c53d1567a716e707710a398)

Cos everyone hates City Hunter for not being a carbon copy of the original ???

His face structure, is nearly the same
It's different in details and some
proportions but everything fits together
in a manner that resembles the original.

The "outline" is correct, the details
are different, ADI & KNB got it the other way around.

The outline of the head of the second is different. The crown is higher, giving the impression of a longer head.

Quote from: Samhain13 on Feb 01, 2019, 02:31:31 AM
Its one guy doing everything on his own for fun. Give him a whole team and resources... he got more potential than the ADI guys.

Can't say I disagree. He is one talented individual. I gave him a blurry photo of an action figure head...and he brought it to life in 1:1 scale in a richness and detail I still can't fathom. 
https://youtu.be/sw2nfdNRAn0 (https://youtu.be/sw2nfdNRAn0)

His work has been featured here many times.

(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi.imgur.com%2FfBlyUZ0.jpg&hash=9d66981c58edd8565d14cf813d73dc67158b323e)

Quote from: SiL on Feb 01, 2019, 05:54:58 AM
Cos everyone hates City Hunter for not being a carbon copy of the original ???

Not everyone. Just you.  ;)  And round and round we go.

Quote from: The Old One on Feb 01, 2019, 07:05:50 AM
His face structure, is nearly the same
It's different in details and some
proportions but everything fits together
in a manner that resembles the original.

(https://media0.giphy.com/media/3o7qDU4Qe60UrIS2WY/giphy.gif?cid=19f5b51a5c54429836434e4359efc7b7)

Quote from: AhabPredator on Feb 01, 2019, 10:18:30 AM

Quote from: Samhain13 on Feb 01, 2019, 02:31:31 AM
Its one guy doing everything on his own for fun. Give him a whole team and resources... he got more potential than the ADI guys.

Can't say I disagree. He is one talented individual. I gave him a blurry photo of an action figure head...and he brought it to life in 1:1 scale in a richness and detail I still can't fathom. 
https://youtu.be/sw2nfdNRAn0 (https://youtu.be/sw2nfdNRAn0)

His work has been featured here many times.

(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi.imgur.com%2FfBlyUZ0.jpg&hash=9d66981c58edd8565d14cf813d73dc67158b323e)

Oustanding!

I don't know... ADI seems to take pride in making their own style of preds, even when largely considered way inferior to the first predator.

Quote from: BigDaddyJohn on Feb 01, 2019, 01:03:33 PM
I don't know... ADI seems to take pride in making their own style of preds, even when largely considered way inferior to the first predator.

They seem really lackluster. Not as much sculpted texture, detail, or paint application. The colors seem...dull? I don't know. It's off.

It's like those drawings you do as a kid, when referencing a picture. It's...kind of similar, but not spot on.

Yeah, that's why I like the KNB EFX Predator. The Old One might be right in regards to me giving them too much credit, but I'm just thrilled they were trying to emulate the original Stan Winston design and x-positioned mandibles. I'm rewarding intention perhaps, but I yam what I yam.

(https://imats.net/wp-content/uploads/2014/05/LA11_museum_KNB_Predator.jpg)

Knb was close, but we Pred fans never forget a face.

Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Feb 01, 2019, 01:51:05 PM
Yeah, that's why I like the KNB EFX Predator. The Old One might be right in regards to me giving them too much credit, but I'm just thrilled they were trying to emulate the original Stan Winston design and x-positioned mandibles. I'm rewarding intention perhaps, but I yam what I yam.

(https://imats.net/wp-content/uploads/2014/05/LA11_museum_KNB_Predator.jpg)

That's one beautiful motherf**ker.  ;D

I know people might have opinions on it, but I love the facial quills and chest quills.

And he could close his mouth!

Almost  ;D

(https://i.ibb.co/px3zkdC/IMG-20190104-134057.jpg)

Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Feb 01, 2019, 02:28:59 PM
And he could close his mouth!

Almost  ;D

(https://i.ibb.co/px3zkdC/IMG-20190104-134057.jpg)

The mouth still is slightly off (in my opinion) but the eyes look freaking great!

Quote from: AhabPredator on Feb 01, 2019, 02:09:14 PM

Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Feb 01, 2019, 01:51:05 PM
Yeah, that's why I like the KNB EFX Predator. The Old One might be right in regards to me giving them too much credit, but I'm just thrilled they were trying to emulate the original Stan Winston design and x-positioned mandibles. I'm rewarding intention perhaps, but I yam what I yam.

(https://imats.net/wp-content/uploads/2014/05/LA11_museum_KNB_Predator.jpg)

That's one beautiful motherf**ker.  ;D

I know people might have opinions on it, but I love the facial quills and chest quills.

More quills, I say. I like to think they help differentiate age, but I have absolutely no basis for that  :D

Quote from: AhabPredator on Feb 01, 2019, 02:55:30 PM

Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Feb 01, 2019, 02:28:59 PM
And he could close his mouth!

Almost  ;D

(https://i.ibb.co/px3zkdC/IMG-20190104-134057.jpg)

The mouth still is slightly off (in my opinion) but the eyes look freaking great!

Yes, true, the mouth is off, but it still has the x mandibles, and the slanted diagonal brows which are also key!

Quote from: Wysps on Feb 01, 2019, 03:11:12 PM
More quills, I say. I like to think they help differentiate age, but I have absolutely no basis for that  :D

I like the way you think!

Quote from: Wysps on Feb 01, 2019, 03:11:12 PM

Quote from: AhabPredator on Feb 01, 2019, 02:09:14 PM

Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Feb 01, 2019, 01:51:05 PM
Yeah, that's why I like the KNB EFX Predator. The Old One might be right in regards to me giving them too much credit, but I'm just thrilled they were trying to emulate the original Stan Winston design and x-positioned mandibles. I'm rewarding intention perhaps, but I yam what I yam.

(https://imats.net/wp-content/uploads/2014/05/LA11_museum_KNB_Predator.jpg)

That's one beautiful motherf**ker.  ;D

I know people might have opinions on it, but I love the facial quills and chest quills.

More quills, I say. I like to think they help differentiate age, but I have absolutely no basis for that  :D

Based on what we have seen on screen I thought length/color of dreadlocks did. The quills are like "body hair" to the Yautja. The chest quills especially. Makes me think of chest hair.  :D lolol

Thus, more quills, I say  :laugh:

But yeah, the dread hair/color is probably a more substantial indicator of age.

Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Feb 01, 2019, 02:28:59 PM
And he could close his mouth!

Almost  ;D

(https://i.ibb.co/px3zkdC/IMG-20190104-134057.jpg)

I'll always be a fan of Crucified, but can't help but think he looks incredibly jaundiced.

I always thought Crucified's mouth was weird... The skin around the teeth is maybe a bit too thick, i'm not quite sure...

Quote from: BigDaddyJohn on Feb 01, 2019, 06:58:48 PM
I always thought Crucified's mouth was weird... The skin around the teeth is maybe a bit too thick, i'm not quite sure...

The mouth seems too...cavernous? I think that's what's up.

It's the upper two mandibles, they're not nearly parallel from the cheekbones as with every other Predator.
SIL pointed this out once before, they're disconnected completely and self articulate, that's why it looks wrong.

The skin around the outside portion also creases like cheap rubber latex, and the inner mouth never closes.

Ya, the skin is too flappy. I've mentioned it before.

Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Feb 01, 2019, 01:02:17 PM

Quote from: SiL on Feb 01, 2019, 05:54:58 AM
Cos everyone hates City Hunter for not being a carbon copy of the original ???

Not everyone. Just you.  ;)  And round and round we go.

Whoosh went my point over your head.

I've mentioned it before but I'd love to see Weta do the effects for a Predator movie.

Quote from: ace3g on Feb 02, 2019, 04:32:41 AM
I've mentioned it before but I'd love to see Weta do the effects for a Predator movie.

We don't really need effects. We just need the damn mask to be right lol.

But that is an effect :P

Quote from: SiL on Feb 02, 2019, 02:51:26 AM

Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Feb 01, 2019, 01:02:17 PM

Quote from: SiL on Feb 01, 2019, 05:54:58 AM
Cos everyone hates City Hunter for not being a carbon copy of the original ???

Not everyone. Just you.  ;)  And round and round we go.

Whoosh went my point over your head.

I saw your point and let it go woosh, because. I couldn't resist teasing you about past city hunter conversations.  ;D

Quote from: SiL on Feb 02, 2019, 07:16:09 AM
But that is an effect :P

Have weta actually ever done a prop? We're not going full Digi Pred are we. Sacrilege.

Quote from: Highland on Feb 02, 2019, 09:22:21 PM

Quote from: SiL on Feb 02, 2019, 07:16:09 AM
But that is an effect :P

Have weta actually ever done a prop? We're not going full Digi Pred are we. Sacrilege.

A prop?

The entirety of LOTR?

Literally all of the prosthetics, weapons, armour, suits, etc. They made a driveable Warthog for Blomkamp's ditched Halo movie. There are ten foot tall hyper realistic sculptures of WWI vets in Wellington's museum that they painstakingly made.

... yeah, they've done some props!

LOL :D

I knew they did LOTR, I just didn't realise it was the whole shebang. I thought the only did the CGI. My bad!

Weta Digital is a separate branch. Weta does practical stuff.

WETA Digital's work is phenomenal too. Those Prawns are realistic as hell.

Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Feb 03, 2019, 06:16:28 PM
WETA Digital's work is phenomenal too. Those Prawns are realistic as hell.

Prawns, you say?  :D
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi.imgur.com%2FIjDnXKo.jpg&hash=37f1db0ddcce994a2089c60717c4e9c0af77fd55)

Has this been posted before?

The CRABATOR !

Quote from: ace3g on Feb 03, 2019, 07:28:47 PM
Has this been posted before?

https://www.instagram.com/p/BtYxmWdHrIS/

That hardly looks like predator. What in the name of yautja tit milk were they thinking?    ???

Maybe during the shots the Emissaries looked better. I still think Scar is worse, face wise.

Quote from: AhabPredator on Feb 03, 2019, 07:57:45 PM

Quote from: ace3g on Feb 03, 2019, 07:28:47 PM
Has this been posted before?

https://www.instagram.com/p/BtYxmWdHrIS/

That hardly looks like predator. What in the name of yautja tit milk were they thinking?    ???

They wanted to show some diversification.

Wonder why they didn't consider to do the same for the masks. They simply gave the emissaries the same helmet the Fugitive had.

It was kind of the opposite AVP did, AVP made new masks but gave all predators pretty much the same body. The Predator: same mask, different coloring/faces and armor.

Quote from: Samhain13 on Feb 03, 2019, 10:21:19 PM
Wonder why they didn't consider to do the same for the masks. They simply gave the emissaries the same helmet the Fugitive had.

It was kind of the opposite AVP did, AVP made new masks but gave all predators pretty much the same body. The Predator: same mask, different coloring/faces and armor.

I assume so that we could have the "good vs bad" predator design. but even that goes out the window when you consider that the upgrade uses the same style of armor equipment that Fugitive does, save how his wrist mounted plasmacaster.

But also... HOW THE HELL does the Upgrade use thermal vision modes without a mask? Only logical thing I can figure: Black and Decker legitimately forgot/don't know that Predators use biomasks for vision modes or he wears an ocular implant. That's all I've got.

I took as to be implied that the Upgrade has ocular implants. At least, hope that was the point.

Quote from: Samhain13 on Feb 03, 2019, 10:21:19 PM
Wonder why they didn't consider to do the same for the masks. They simply gave the emissaries the same helmet the Fugitive had.

Great question. ADI had nothing to do with the masks this time around; it was the production designer who was in charge of the armour for the suits. Even ADI wasn't entirely sure why, but guessed it had to do with tax incentives.

Quote from: Still Collating... on Feb 04, 2019, 12:56:41 AM
I took as to be implied that the Upgrade has ocular implants. At least, hope that was the point.

Yeah the Upgrade sees the biohelmet through his eyes. Super dumb considering the multitude of things the Biohelmet was used for.

You know maybe they just design the Predators to be deliberately ugly, thinking that's what made the first one good. It's the only explanation on why they keep getting it mad wrong.

Quote from: Highland on Feb 04, 2019, 03:46:36 AM

Quote from: Still Collating... on Feb 04, 2019, 12:56:41 AM
I took as to be implied that the Upgrade has ocular implants. At least, hope that was the point.

Yeah the Upgrade sees the biohelmet through his eyes. Super dumb considering the multitude of things the Biohelmet was used for.

You know maybe they just design the Predators to be deliberately ugly, thinking that's what made the first one good. It's the only explanation on why they keep getting it mad wrong.

The pred killer suit is a prime example of how overcomplicated designs are bad.

Quote from: AhabPredator on Feb 04, 2019, 04:02:40 AM

Quote from: Highland on Feb 04, 2019, 03:46:36 AM

Quote from: Still Collating... on Feb 04, 2019, 12:56:41 AM
I took as to be implied that the Upgrade has ocular implants. At least, hope that was the point.

Yeah the Upgrade sees the biohelmet through his eyes. Super dumb considering the multitude of things the Biohelmet was used for.

You know maybe they just design the Predators to be deliberately ugly, thinking that's what made the first one good. It's the only explanation on why they keep getting it mad wrong.

The pred killer suit is a prime example of how overcomplicated designs are bad.

Not to mention why wouldn't the Predators also have all the tech that's on the predator killer suit? Ugh this movie.

It would have made more sense if the black goo was in the Pod, I'm not joking.

Why would he not just be wearing the suit, since it literally forms out of one wrist gauntlet. That can fly.

I mean ... in the time it took him to eject the pod, he could've just put the suit on and solved the plot in the intro.

Quote from: SiL on Feb 04, 2019, 05:06:30 AM
Why would he not just be wearing the suit, since it literally forms out of one wrist gauntlet. That can fly.

I mean ... in the time it took him to eject the pod, he could've just put the suit on and solved the plot in the intro.

Wrong size. Only came in a 32.

Quote from: Highland on Feb 04, 2019, 05:39:24 AM

Quote from: SiL on Feb 04, 2019, 05:06:30 AM
Why would he not just be wearing the suit, since it literally forms out of one wrist gauntlet. That can fly.

I mean ... in the time it took him to eject the pod, he could've just put the suit on and solved the plot in the intro.

Wrong size. Only came in a 32.

LMAO

Quote from: Highland on Feb 04, 2019, 05:39:24 AM

Quote from: SiL on Feb 04, 2019, 05:06:30 AM
Why would he not just be wearing the suit, since it literally forms out of one wrist gauntlet. That can fly.

I mean ... in the time it took him to eject the pod, he could've just put the suit on and solved the plot in the intro.

Wrong size. Only came in a 32.

Damn his excessive Christmas Weight

Quote from: Highland on Feb 04, 2019, 03:46:36 AM
Yeah the Upgrade sees the biohelmet through his eyes. Super dumb considering the multitude of things the Biohelmet was used for.

They're using bio-contact lenses now? Or bio-ocular implants? Prrdators certainly would have the technological means to do something like that. Of course, it's insanely frustrating that we are left trying to make sense of it.

QuoteYou know maybe they just design the Predators to be deliberately ugly, thinking that's what made the first one good. It's the only explanation on why they keep getting it mad wrong.

And talk about insanely frustrating.  ;D Maybe it's just ADI's stamp on the creature, and their general consensus is it looks wonderful while the majority of the Predator fanbase remains terribly frustrated with their output.

Honestly, I've subscribed to the implant idea since Predator 2 when City Hunter lost his mask and was still seeing in IR.

He was still seeing in IR in the original. Just shitty, unfiltered IR. The cameras they were using had trouble distinguishing the actors from the environment, so they had to splash ice water on the location and heat up the actors despite the already oppressive temperature on location.

I still love that tidbit. But for sake of clarity:

Honestly, I've subscribed to the implant idea since Predator 2 when City Hunter lost his mask and was still seeing in filtered/clean IR.

Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Feb 04, 2019, 02:21:32 PM
Honestly, I've subscribed to the implant idea since Predator 2 when City Hunter lost his mask and was still seeing in IR.

To be fair, they don't see like we do. They see on a different spectrum of light. The mask just greatly enhances their natural ability. They more or less have eyes like rattlesnakes. But the fact the upgrade can see as if he has a biomask is still unexplained and unanswered.

This movie did confirm that the dreadlocks are a sensory organ, like a cat's whiskers.

Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Feb 04, 2019, 02:30:31 PM
I still love that tidbit. But for sake of clarity:

Honestly, I've subscribed to the implant idea since Predator 2 when City Hunter lost his mask and was still seeing in filtered/clean IR.

But he's seeing unfiltered IR in the second one, too. They're just actually in a cold environment, not a sweltering jungle. The issue in the original is that the ambient temperature was too close to the actors' temperature, whereas there's obviously a big difference between a meat locker and an active, sweaty dude.

We also only see Harrigan against the fog in the ship from memory, which would appear black to IR compared to his clearer heat signature.

/annoyingpedantry

Quote from: SiL on Feb 04, 2019, 02:33:19 PM
We also only see Harrigan against the fog in the ship from memory, which would appear black to IR compared to his clearer heat signature.

(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/gallery/albums/movies/predator2/bluray/orig_bluray1228.jpg)

Looks more like the usual filtered IR to me. There's also some brief moments of the Predator vision when they're outside too and it looks like the usual vision to me. I'd imagine the Predator ship to have been quite hot and as was LA at the time.

Completely fair point regarding the Meat Locker but we know it wasn't unfiltered IR. It was all the same method. In real life, it was probably just an oversight but that's how I've always explained it away in my head.

Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Feb 04, 2019, 02:39:05 PM
Completely fair point regarding the Meat Locker but we know it wasn't unfiltered IR. It was all the same method.

I don't think I'm getting the point across. The only time we see "filtered" IR is in the original Predator when his mask is on, as the heat cameras couldn't tell between the actors and the location. Predator 2 and its environments didn't have this problem; they didn't have to hose down the set and heat up the actors to get the contrast. Even when he's wearing the mask, he's seeing unfiltered IR because there was no filtering needed, hence no difference when the mask is removed.

Fog show black on IR. You can even see it's obscuring Harrigan's body temperature (which would actually make a lot of sense to fill the ship with a medium to help distinguish your buddies from the walls around you :P)

Yeah, I wasn't following. Fair point.

It's not just vision, as far as we can tell it's breathing (quite handy) and also targeting systems - which are obviously now also just in his eyeballs.

Then the counter answer to everything is just "He upgraded it".

The mask also helped with isolating sounds and enhancing their hearing.

Considering they're clearly using bionic upgrades, why they'd care about genetic tampering I don't know. Surely they could just make themselves cyborgs and be done with it?

The Predator 2, One Ugly Cyborg F*cker.

Quote from: SiL on Feb 05, 2019, 04:44:48 AM
The mask also helped with isolating sounds and enhancing their hearing.

That always baffles me because the mask only covers their face, so unless their ears are on their face somewhere I don't understand how it affects their hearing.

Stan Winston's sculpts for the Predator 2 City Hunter show ears underneath the dreadlocks.
So, they're about the same place as ours.

They've got little ear buds that are connected via bluetooth to the helmet...

:P

No wonder he blew himself up. He lost his Air pods

Quote from: The Old One on Feb 05, 2019, 01:14:10 PM
Stan Winston's sculpts for the Predator 2 City Hunter show ears underneath the dreadlocks.
So, they're about the same place as ours.

Really? Is there pictures? Because I know for certain via predator 2 when he speaks to Harrigan that he has a forked tongue.

Quote from: The Old One on Feb 05, 2019, 01:14:10 PM
Stan Winston's sculpts for the Predator 2 City Hunter show ears underneath the dreadlocks.
So, they're about the same place as ours.

Has that ever been confirmed as ears by Stan Winston's team?

Why I ask is I read someone claim the function of those holes were not for hearing, but for breathing, not only so the Yautja isn't limited to breathing through its mouth (especially with the mask on), but work as gills as well, so it can breathe underwater.

Unfortunately, I couldn't find anything to confirm this either way.

No, I don't think so- I only assumed as much due to it's position.

Hicks! We need a podcast with someone from Stan Winston's team please. We need to know! :)

Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Feb 05, 2019, 02:55:27 PM
Hicks! We need a podcast with someone from Stan Winston's team please. We need to know! :)

Speaking of Stan Winston designs...that one thread has been updated with new pictures.

Quote from: SiL on Feb 02, 2019, 11:13:27 PM
Literally all of the prosthetics, weapons, armour, suits, etc. They made a driveable Warthog for Blomkamp's ditched Halo movie. There are ten foot tall hyper realistic sculptures of WWI vets in Wellington's museum that they painstakingly made.

... yeah, they've done some props!

The largest film prop ever in fact
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.mckellen.com%2Fimages%2Flotr%2Fsc0042.jpg&hash=650709b92d8641638b7b4653b4afacff2ff5b011)

Quote from: Gilfryd on Feb 05, 2019, 08:05:15 PM

Quote from: SiL on Feb 02, 2019, 11:13:27 PM
Literally all of the prosthetics, weapons, armour, suits, etc. They made a driveable Warthog for Blomkamp's ditched Halo movie. There are ten foot tall hyper realistic sculptures of WWI vets in Wellington's museum that they painstakingly made.

... yeah, they've done some props!

The largest film prop ever in fact
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.mckellen.com%2Fimages%2Flotr%2Fsc0042.jpg&hash=650709b92d8641638b7b4653b4afacff2ff5b011)

Nah, your forgetting the old King Kongs, Jurassic Park, etc.

(https://i.pinimg.com/236x/bd/f1/58/bdf158b24258cd01cb203219b8ebb615--king-kong--godzilla.jpg)

(https://i.pinimg.com/originals/80/20/33/802033274bcea5a2e8e616becbb6051b.jpg)

(https://swsca-production.s3.amazonaws.com/cache/cc/45/cc4554d568e8fa1cbccc8ac74b2d2d11.jpg)

Prop, not character, though.

Quote from: SiL on Feb 05, 2019, 08:59:14 PM
Prop, not character, though.

That picture is of a Mumakil.

A dead one, which makes it a prop.

I know that seems pedantic, but on a call sheet that would be listed under props, while creatures would be under effects and cast depending on how the creature is realised.

The giant dead Kong at the end of the '76 movie would be a prop, for example, while Rambaldi's full size animatronic is an effect.

(Also keep in mind I've no idea if it actually is the largest prop, but I wouldn't be surprised.)

Quote from: SiL on Feb 05, 2019, 10:33:43 PM
A dead one, which makes it a prop.

I know that seems pedantic, but on a call sheet that would be listed under props, while creatures would be under effects and cast depending on how the creature is realised.

The giant dead Kong at the end of the '76 movie would be a prop, for example, while Rambaldi's full size animatronic is an effect.

(Also keep in mind I've no idea if it actually is the largest prop, but I wouldn't be surprised.)

If we are being pedantic, I've seen enough call sheets in my time to see animatronic creatures, especially small ones, referred to as props. I have also seen situations that large pieces like the dead Mumakil, are built on set wagons and listed under set and/or set dressing. I've seen props like large rocks appear under both. There's so much call sheet variation to conclude in design and content that it is all left up to discretion and situational.

Alas, regardless, I doubt the OP was looking for such a tangent we went off on. :)

Definitely, but I still think the Mumakil is bigger than a lot of the examples you gave. Thing was feckin' huge.

I think the Rambaldi Kong gives it a good run for its money. 

(annoyingly, trying to find out "biggest prop" just tells you about ones that sold for the most at auction)

Quote from: SiL on Feb 05, 2019, 11:34:55 PM
Definitely, but I still think the Mumakil is bigger than a lot of the examples you gave. Thing was feckin' huge.

I think the Rambaldi Kong gives it a good run for its money. 

(annoyingly, trying to find out "biggest prop" just tells you about ones that sold for the most at auction)

Hmm. You may be right. Out of all my comparisons, Rambaldi Kong may be its greatest challenger. It's hard to be certain without dimensions.

Off the top of my head, I believe I've seen a couple massive practical Trojan Horses built for the silver screen that might well rival the Mumakil. Hmm. There's been massive exterior spaceships only designed for boarding and unboarding. There's Cameron's Titanic. Those statues in Raiders of the Lost Ark were extremely large but don't have the mass. Hmm. It's interesting to brainstorm.

*Edit - Pic added

(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2F1.bp.blogspot.com%2F-uzq9zSk8zQQ%2FU4uoIeY0SSI%2FAAAAAAAAFTM%2FsxQakTEs0Zs%2Fs1600%2FDSCN0053.JPG&hash=f2b1f0414e7b9c40bfe7656536bda48ba548629e)