Quote from: SiL on Mar 06, 2011, 10:27:21 PM
Call doing the punching, is a cheap joke
What's the... punchline (see what I did there?
) behind this joke?
Quote from: SiL on Mar 06, 2011, 10:27:21 PM
Not really "oh shit monsters" so much as "what the f**k is this shit".
'What the f**k is this shit' followed by 'oh shit Monster!'.
Quote from: SiL on Mar 06, 2011, 10:27:21 PM
that scene is immediately undermined by a double-hit of lame comedy.
The scene had already been done with. It's not undermined at all if you ask me - and that's subjectivity, again, because I take the aftermath of the clone scene through a different key of reading. What I've always got out of that line is 'what an idiot Johner is', I didn't laugh, nor cheer, or anything. It's a line right after one of the most excruciating moments in the
Alien series, I
can't laugh.
Besides, there's also a small sequence thereafter which shows Ripley leaning on a wall (which is most probably intended to refer to the previous scene - nothing's certain, but that's what I always took it as).
Quote from: SiL on Mar 06, 2011, 10:27:21 PM
There is literally no suggestion that anything like this is going to happen, no foreshadowing, nothing -- and then it just appears.
While I agree that they could've set up the mine at the beginning (or 1/3 through) and then blow it up at the climax, that take wasn't necessarily 'shoddy', as it has the (
subjective) value of being, by all means,
unexpected. During the film there are practically none hints at the thing, you don't know it will appear until when it does. When the Queen is giving birth to the new creature you don't know what's going on, you're confused, and then - the
reveal. It's a powerful scene - shows the unpredictability of the actions of those unscrupulous people, and serves as a nice, 'grotesque' counterpart of a Woman giving birth -
Resurrection follows closely sex and birth undertones, there are other examples throughout the film, and the very score, according to composer John Frizzel, wanted to underline the subject.
As a closing line, I know that
Alien: Resurrection isn't devoid of comedic moments - none of the
Alien films are, after all - but what I am saying is that I think it's not daft, it's not stupid or overly self-teasing, or overly out-of-the-set-line as a lot of people make it out to be.