Posted by City Hunter Yautja
- Apr 01, 2022, 10:20:41 PMStill Alien (1979) theatrical cut for me. The film despite its age feels real to me, it messes with my head and nothing seems dated to me. No matter how many times I watch it I feel the dread, the terror, and the suspense equal to my first viewing.
Posted by Voodoo Magic
- Jan 31, 2022, 09:19:58 PMQuote from: happypred on Jan 29, 2022, 11:57:12 AM
I'd give Aliens the edge based on its, in my view, superior emotional resonance and character relationships.
Posted by happypred
- Jan 29, 2022, 11:57:12 AMI think what really elevates Aliens is the emotional core provided by Ripley and Newt (and Hicks to a lesser degree). To me, Aliens has the strongest emotional impact out of the franchise...I really feel Ripley's emotional anguish when she loses Newt (keeping in mind the aging and death of her biological daughter), before she resolves to make a rescue attempt into the hive. Ripley was already a great protagonist in the first film...I'd argue that Cameron's take on Ripley is arguably the most memorable, badass (but oh so skilfully humanized) heroine in cinema history.
Alien's strength is the cosmic dread and keeping the nature of the titular Alien (and the Pilot) very mysterious, very...alien, and one might say Lovecraftian. I'd argue that Cameron's take does not necessarily reduce the Aliens into giant space-ants, but that could be a more simplistic interpretation of Cameron's portrayal, and of course the Aliens and AvP EU really ran with the "bug" idea.
At the end of the day, it has to come down to Alien or Aliens. It's like comparing a good apple vs. a good orange. I'd give Aliens the edge based on its, in my view, superior emotional resonance and character relationships.
Alien's strength is the cosmic dread and keeping the nature of the titular Alien (and the Pilot) very mysterious, very...alien, and one might say Lovecraftian. I'd argue that Cameron's take does not necessarily reduce the Aliens into giant space-ants, but that could be a more simplistic interpretation of Cameron's portrayal, and of course the Aliens and AvP EU really ran with the "bug" idea.
At the end of the day, it has to come down to Alien or Aliens. It's like comparing a good apple vs. a good orange. I'd give Aliens the edge based on its, in my view, superior emotional resonance and character relationships.
Posted by Kradan
- Oct 30, 2021, 08:35:47 PMSiL have spoken
Posted by SiL
- Oct 30, 2021, 08:31:49 PMQuote from: judge death on Oct 30, 2021, 08:03:46 PMThey are mistaken.
Well in this video they go through it a bit in the start of the video, saying the script from the start was that a ship crashland on the planet with alien hive on it and as they try to escape from it. Which is pretty much what pitch black became but with different kind of monsters than xenos:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kc_VBdtJAhE&t=497s
EDIT
Watched what they say. It sounds like they never bothered to look into what Twohy's script actually was and just assumed it must've been similar.
Posted by Kradan
- Oct 30, 2021, 08:30:42 PMQuote from: SiL on Oct 30, 2021, 08:00:56 PM
There's some more about the genesis here.
Thanks, that was a nice read
I have one distinct memory about Coober Pedy - these were two words my uncle, who's like 6-7 older than me used to tease me with back when I was little
Oh, and these pretty things:
Posted by judge death
- Oct 30, 2021, 08:03:46 PMWell in this video they go through it a bit in the start of the video, saying the script from the start was that a ship crashland on the planet with alien hive on it and as they try to escape from it. Which is pretty much what pitch black became but with different kind of monsters than xenos:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kc_VBdtJAhE&t=497s
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kc_VBdtJAhE&t=497s
Posted by SiL
- Oct 30, 2021, 08:00:56 PMPosted by Kradan
- Oct 30, 2021, 12:18:02 PMHuh. I always thought Twohy's draft just morphed into Pitch Black when he left Alien 3 production. Didn't know he was adapting someone's work
Fair enough, I guess. And sorry for my smugness, Corporal
Fair enough, I guess. And sorry for my smugness, Corporal
Posted by SiL
- Oct 30, 2021, 12:00:24 PMPitch Black wasn't ever an Alien movie - it was a screen story by two brothers that Twohy changed as it developed into a film.
He did reuse his prison setup from his unused Alien 3 draft in Chronicles of Riddick though - the way the person is described, the guard dogs, even the escape is fairly similar
He did reuse his prison setup from his unused Alien 3 draft in Chronicles of Riddick though - the way the person is described, the guard dogs, even the escape is fairly similar
Posted by Kradan
- Oct 30, 2021, 10:39:08 AMUnless, you're being ironic about how obvious it is
Spoiler
David Twohy was responisble for one of unused Alien 3 drafts. Notably, it didn't had Ripley or any of Aliens characters as protagonist but instead a prisoner who served as a basis for the character of Riddick. There're similair elements, but overall plot of that script is pretty diferent from Pitch Black
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Posted by Corporal Hicks
- Oct 30, 2021, 09:50:08 AMQuote from: judge death on Oct 23, 2021, 10:57:36 PM
I would argue that pitch black is connected to the alien universe, it was even written as an alien movie from the start but changed after it fell through.
It was?
Posted by BlueMarsalis79
- Oct 23, 2021, 10:58:09 PMCertainly does. 😉
Certainly such a fiendishly uninventive reply. 😋
Anyway my favourite's Alien.
But since it's brought up:
Blade Runner (Final Cut 4K Edition)
Blade Runner 2049 (4K Edition)
Prometheus (4K Edition)
Alien Covenant (4K Edition)
Alien (4K Theatrical Edition)
Outland
Aliens (Theatrical Edition)
Alien³ (Special Edition)
Alien Resurrection (Either Edition)
But seriously much as I appreciate the connective tissue creatively between the aforementioned projects, I have long since preferred to see them as separate creative entities, otherwise where does it actually stop- Why not include OBSERVER and RUINER for example? Particularly the former with Rutger Hauer, his last performance in a cyberpunk genre piece, substantially influenced by Alien and definitely Blade Runner. That's just my thoughts on it.
Certainly such a fiendishly uninventive reply. 😋
Anyway my favourite's Alien.
But since it's brought up:
Blade Runner (Final Cut 4K Edition)
Blade Runner 2049 (4K Edition)
Prometheus (4K Edition)
Alien Covenant (4K Edition)
Alien (4K Theatrical Edition)
Outland
Aliens (Theatrical Edition)
Alien³ (Special Edition)
Alien Resurrection (Either Edition)
But seriously much as I appreciate the connective tissue creatively between the aforementioned projects, I have long since preferred to see them as separate creative entities, otherwise where does it actually stop- Why not include OBSERVER and RUINER for example? Particularly the former with Rutger Hauer, his last performance in a cyberpunk genre piece, substantially influenced by Alien and definitely Blade Runner. That's just my thoughts on it.
Posted by judge death
- Oct 23, 2021, 10:57:36 PMI would argue that pitch black is connected to the alien universe, it was even written as an alien movie from the start but changed after it fell through.
Posted by Gilfryd
- Oct 23, 2021, 10:13:54 PMQuote from: Trash Queen on Oct 23, 2021, 07:32:09 PM
f**king ew.
I can say otherwise.
That list suuucks.
Username checks out.
