Haven't posted here in a while, loving the new look of the site Darkness, really badass.
Anyways, just wanted to pop in and let everyone know I got a tipster with info on Prom 2, and they managed to offer up some interesting details regarding the new aliens to-be seen. I should urge that people reading take it with a grain of salt, as I state in the article, the info is current as of March 2015. So, with John Logan revising the script, some elements may have changed - but the info I was allowed to share comes from doodles and rough concept art created for the film, so it's likely the creature designs won't change much.
I won't post the direct quote here for the sake of spoilers, but if you wanna read it, here's the link: http://www.scified.com/prometheusmovies/exclusive---information-on-the-new-monsters-in-prometheus-2-alien-paradise-lost-leaked
Pretty excited to see where this goes and what gets revealed in the coming months!
This sounds great, i'm really liking the sound of all this, if Scott and co are going this route, it sounds like they're certainly going in the right direction.
http://www.scified.com/prometheusmovies/exclusive---information-on-the-new-monsters-in-prometheus-2-alien-paradise-lost-leaked
Seems like there are two monsters in the film and one of them at least resembles the translucent thing described in Jon Spaihts draft of Prometheus.
They also mention the other monster NOT being new, so they then speculate that the other will be the Deacon, but they also compare the translucent monster to the 'ULTRAMORPH' which ISN'T described as translucent in that script.
Grain of salt.
Scified has said they have some more news but are going to wait until next week.
What does everyone think?
I think the idea of an alien that is translucent sounds cool as hell and like the possibility of seeing a grown Deacon but don't want the film to return to LV223...
Maybe its an unused idea that never came to fruition in alien that is now going to be used.
I just want to see Alien Monster IV running around. Shoulda been in Prometheus as Ethon, the eagle of Zeus but they decided the film's title should just be pretentious instead of having any solid connection to the myth.
https://www.google.com/search?q=alien+monster+iv&rlz=1CDGOYI_enUS619US619&oq=alien+monster+iv&aqs=chrome..69i57j0&sourceid=chrome-mobile&ie=UTF-8&hl=en-US#imgrc=DrEwsbsYsys3MM%3A
This bad boy?
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If it's true the translucent thing could be a throwback to one of the earlier Alien design concepts. Which could be cool. I like the Ultramorph (aside from the bulge at the front of his head in some concepts).
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2015/11/FB_IMG_1436939815533.jpg)
Its like the flying mice that became the spectragraphs in prometheus. An unused idea. And the temple. I wonder what other unused ideas might pop up in APL ?
Quote from: oduodu on Nov 12, 2015, 07:40:57 PM
Its like the flying mice that became the spectragraphs in prometheus.
What do you mean?
There was a storyboard from ridley for alien where he wanted to use flying robotic mice that would automatically fix things and that was an unused idea as far as I remember. My memory aint the greatest. That's where the idea I think for the spectragraphs came from.
Do you happen to have the Ridleygram to hand? I can't remember that one.
http://weyland-yutaniarchives.blogspot.co.za/2012/08/alien-unseen-part-one-ridleygrams.html (http://weyland-yutaniarchives.blogspot.co.za/2012/08/alien-unseen-part-one-ridleygrams.html)
Perhaps its a stretch but it might be where the idea for david roaming the ship and looking after everything came from. Just a thought.
Thank you kindly. Fascinating. I'd like to see Giger's egg silo personally. I really want a Giger-esque film this time. Something more true to his design aesthetic.
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Nov 12, 2015, 07:54:18 PM
Thank you kindly. Fascinating. I'd like to see Giger's egg silo personally. I really want a Giger-esque film this time. Something more true to his design aesthetic.
I am glad I can provide something of use!!
LOL
Xeno alpha did a great job on that article. There is also something about holography and lambert.
Important thing is you can see clearly where some of the ideas in prometheus came from. Unused ideas. That's clear from his comments in that article. Thanks xeno aplha.
Corporal Hicks
That would be great if they used the giger design.
Half-serpentine, then.
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fdesktopwallpapers.org.ua%2Fpic%2F201111%2F1280x720%2Fdesktopwallpapers.org.ua-9962.jpg&hash=4af200964fd90426464a134fd270f68397b8d577)
Quote from: oduodu on Nov 12, 2015, 07:59:41 PM
Xeno alpha did a great job on that article.
He does fantastic work! Another treasure of the community.
Certainly!
Quote from: Alien64 on Nov 12, 2015, 04:35:38 AM
I just want to see Alien Monster IV (https://www.google.com/search?q=alien+monster+iv&rlz=1CDGOYI_enUS619US619&oq=alien+monster+iv&aqs=chrome..69i57j0&sourceid=chrome-mobile&ie=UTF-8&hl=en-US#imgrc=DrEwsbsYsys3MM%3A) running around.
That would be a dream come true situation *fingers crossed*
Cool, I'm looking forward to seeing different "strains" of the Xenomorph.
"The movie will have 2 Monsters, one is new and both are different yet similar to the Xeno DNA. The NEW Monster is a New Event, so it's nothing created before the Events of the end of the First movie.... it's created by an event in the movie... "
The way this is worded leads me to think that the other monster, the one that's not "new", could be the Deacon.
Wouldn't mind seeing these versions of chestbursters:
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So is the Deacon from the end of the first movie going to be ignore for good now?
The Darkhorse comics ignored the Deacon, and original art indicated that they'd intended to use Deacons but were forced by FOX to change things, save for some giant rock formation shaped like a Deacon. All that seems to me that we haven't seen the last of it; it was just a baby at the end of the first film after all.
Quote from: david8 on Nov 13, 2015, 05:42:35 AM
The Darkhorse comics ignored the Deacon, and original art indicated that they'd intended to use Deacons but were forced by FOX to change things, save for some giant rock formation shaped like a Deacon. All that seems to me that we haven't seen the last of it; it was just a baby at the end of the first film after all.
Spoiler
They hinted that the Deacon was actually that massive mountain.
Yeah but I didn't take it so literally. I took it more as a visual cue or easter egg, otherwise it doesn't quite follow why Darkhorse would go from illustrating Deacons only to be forced to scrap that, and instead try to subtly imply the Deacon grew at a gigantic rate and became a mountain lol
They were asked to not use the Deacons. From the sounds of it, they didn't think they'd be allowed to use the main Aliens in the first place anyway.
We had chance to chat to 3 of the 4 writers. Their interviews are up in our interviews section.
http://www.avpgalaxy.net/website/interviews/chris-sebela/
http://www.avpgalaxy.net/website/interviews/paul-tobin/
http://www.avpgalaxy.net/website/interviews/chris-roberson/
Deacon, Ultramorph, translucent something... What the f@#$? Just make an Alien movie for Christ sake! And good one if you may dear Mr. Scott. I'm afraid this movie is going to be even more messed up than the first one. We had a zombie, giant squid, swimming penis-eel and retarded Xenomorph (Deacon). What's next? Maybe they should add Predator, Han Solo, Cylons and Commander Shepard to the mix?
Just make a good Alien movie!
Its another case of wait and see but I like the idea of a possible Deacon vs Transulcent fight
In order to expand the Alien universe as mysteriously and as "Alien" as possible, not talking about gung ho mindless Aliens (Aliens was great but a 2nd type would probably not be so interesting) Ridley Scott's path with Alien Paradise Lost and Prometheus is needed... So all you people b!thcing about just making a 5th Alien sequel think about Alien 3, Alien Res, AVP's and all that sh!t and let the man make something cool in peace...
Quote from: Saggit on Nov 13, 2015, 10:56:05 AM
I'm afraid this movie is going to be even more messed up than the first one. We had a zombie, giant squid, swimming penis-eel and retarded Xenomorph (Deacon).
Prometheus suggest you that if you want an aesthetically pleasing creature to be made, you have to choose with care the organism to infect with the black goo, and the host as well. It's hardly a stretch to say that all the creature you mention were formed randomly.
Regardless of what they choose for the monster, I really want a scene like this (I believe this is a Huante pic):
(https://monsterlegacy.files.wordpress.com/2013/03/ultramorphhuantewow.jpg)
We've seen the inner jaws used hundreds of time, but only Alien went out of its way to show just how visceral and disturbing they really are. Scenes like this could really bring back the horror, even if we know what the creature looks like.
I want to see the Deacon return just to see what it really is. I remember people where saying it's the first xeno created while other sources say it's not.
Unless that mural is supposed to be something different, I still think the Engineer's knew all about the Deacons.
They surely knew about the Deacon with all the experiments they did. However, the mural looks like a crucified Deacon but is not imo. This one has the iliac crest going down the tight (at least midway) then it gets thicker, unlike the Deacon which seems more human in that aspect.
Quote from: PrimitifAlien on Nov 15, 2015, 07:18:59 AM
They surely knew about the Deacon with all the experiments they did. However, the mural looks like a crucified Deacon but is not imo. This one has the iliac crest going down the tight (at least midway) then it gets thicker, unlike the Deacon which seems more human in that aspect.
I assume they knew (judging by the mural) but the Deacon recipe/life cycle is quite complex as shown in the movie:
Douchebag becomes infected by David and his sperm impregnates Shaw.
Shaw creates squid thang!
Squid thang impregnates Engineer.
Engineer births Deacon.So what other routes or shortcuts would the Engineers have found to create the Deacon?
The only thing that might make sense is that the black goo is derived from an original Deacon and the new one created at the end of Prometheus is more evolved?
The lifecycle you describe only involves human DNA to say it simple (Engineer DNA = Human DNA) and I agree.
The mural crucified creature seems to have another genetic program. Here is the recipe :
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi1064.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fu364%2FPrimitifAlien%2FAvP%2520galaxy%2FEquation%2520Mural_zpsowmbmi47.jpg&hash=2341df78e28e08f820fd062662776822d283c91d)
You recognize the trilobite, which will impregnate this alien creature, head between knees, and leads to this mural creature.
If you want the explanation, here it is :
Spoiler
From what we see it Prometheus and what you explained in your post :
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi1064.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fu364%2FPrimitifAlien%2FAvP%2520galaxy%2FEquation%2520Trilobite_zpsmhw9pxrn.jpg&hash=2900368b9cfc9b26ca12ee441cce2134147fb83b)
Then :
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From what we learn in Alien :
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So how is the egg created ?
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Yes , this infected creature will lay infected eggs containing facehuggers, the same way infected Holloway and Shaw gave birth to the trilobite !
Note that this creature is very similar to the usual xenomorph (thorn on the elbow, excrescence near the shoulder...) but hasn't got the penis head.
I know it is difficult to distinguish the thight but the iliac crest is visible and it may go downwards, that's why I think this PRE-xenomorph creature infected by a trilobite would give birth to the mural crucified creature 8)
Many people wonder if the goo is made by alien DNA or if xenomorphs are created by the goo. My explanation is the latter option, Damon Lidelof hints it here (http://uk.complex.com/pop-culture/2012/06/interview-prometheus-screenwriter-damon-lindelof/page/2), also in the audio commentaries of the movie.
Now will Ridley stick to that for the sequels is another story.
Hopefully he does stick with it *Fingers Crossed*
The Deacon lifecycle, from a purely biological perspective, makes little sense, while the xenomorph lifecyle does. My theory is that this is because the creatures in Prometheus were explicitly made as weapons, and their convoluted lifecycles were meant to create as much death and chaos as possible.
Quote from: Born Of Cold Light on Nov 17, 2015, 06:13:11 AM
The Deacon lifecycle, from a purely biological perspective, makes little sense
We still don't know how the adult Deacon reproduces.
The eggs are also supposed to be weapons :
Quote from: Ridley Scott (Raw Alien 20th Anniversary DVD Commentary)a... an aircraft Carrier, a battlewagon of a civilisation, and the eggs were a cargo which were essentially weapons. So right, like a large form of bacteriological stroke biomechanoid warfare.
Quote from: PrimitifAlien on Nov 15, 2015, 08:30:33 PM
The lifecycle you describe only involves human DNA to say it simple (Engineer DNA = Human DNA) and I agree.
The mural crucified creature seems to have another genetic program. Here is the recipe :
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi1064.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fu364%2FPrimitifAlien%2FAvP%2520galaxy%2FEquation%2520Mural_zpsowmbmi47.jpg&hash=2341df78e28e08f820fd062662776822d283c91d)
You recognize the trilobite, which will impregnate this alien creature, head between knees, and leads to this mural creature.
If you want the explanation, here it is :
Spoiler
From what we see it Prometheus and what you explained in your post :
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi1064.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fu364%2FPrimitifAlien%2FAvP%2520galaxy%2FEquation%2520Trilobite_zpsmhw9pxrn.jpg&hash=2900368b9cfc9b26ca12ee441cce2134147fb83b)
Then :
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi1064.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fu364%2FPrimitifAlien%2FAvP%2520galaxy%2FEquation%2520Deacon.jpg_zpsacobkvkk.png&hash=f612309a45dd450966ac5aad16e990f4b9ed6173)
From what we learn in Alien :
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So how is the egg created ?
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Yes , this infected creature will lay infected eggs containing facehuggers, the same way infected Holloway and Shaw gave birth to the trilobite !
Note that this creature is very similar to the usual xenomorph (thorn on the elbow, excrescence near the shoulder...) but hasn't got the penis head.
I know it is difficult to distinguish the thight but the iliac crest is visible and it may go downwards, that's why I think this PRE-xenomorph creature infected by a trilobite would give birth to the mural crucified creature 8)
Many people wonder if the goo is made by alien DNA or if xenomorphs are created by the goo. My explanation is the latter option, Damon Lidelof hints it here (http://uk.complex.com/pop-culture/2012/06/interview-prometheus-screenwriter-damon-lindelof/page/2), also in the audio commentaries of the movie.
Now will Ridley stick to that for the sequels is another story.
This is kinda fun.
Maybe the mutated human, having interacted with the goo, like Holloway and Fifield more so, eventually becomes that creature in the mural. And then the Trilobite facehugs that creature and THAT makes the alien.
Quote from: Born Of Cold Light on Nov 14, 2015, 03:25:40 AM
Regardless of what they choose for the monster, I really want a scene like this (I believe this is a Huante pic):
(https://monsterlegacy.files.wordpress.com/2013/03/ultramorphhuantewow.jpg)
We've seen the inner jaws used hundreds of time, but only Alien went out of its way to show just how visceral and disturbing they really are. Scenes like this could really bring back the horror, even if we know what the creature looks like.
I agree.
That moment of terror when you see the events unfolding in front of you and you know what's about to happen....but can't do a damn thing about.
Pure terror at its finest.
Quote from: pred169 on Nov 18, 2015, 06:35:39 PM
Quote from: Born Of Cold Light on Nov 14, 2015, 03:25:40 AM
Regardless of what they choose for the monster, I really want a scene like this (I believe this is a Huante pic):
(https://monsterlegacy.files.wordpress.com/2013/03/ultramorphhuantewow.jpg)
We've seen the inner jaws used hundreds of time, but only Alien went out of its way to show just how visceral and disturbing they really are. Scenes like this could really bring back the horror, even if we know what the creature looks like.
I agree.
That moment of terror when you see the events unfolding in front of you and you know what's about to happen....but can't do a damn thing about.
Pure terror at its finest.
There's actually a cut scene from Alien 3 right before Clemens dies that does the same thing; why it was removed, I don't know.
This is a cool design I came across:
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I wonder what is considered a "monster"?
I'm going to be a little bit disappointed if we don't see the Engineer(s) in some form or another.