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Title: Reassembling Opinions, Talking Alien 3 With Alien Anthology Producer Charles de Lauzirika – AvPGalaxy Podcast #107
Post by: Corporal Hicks on May 11, 2020, 02:54:56 PM

We have just uploaded the 107th episode of the Alien vs. Predator Galaxy Podcast (right-click and save as to download)! In this episode we are again joined by Charles de Lauzirika, who produced the phenomenal Alien Quadrilogy, Alien Anthology and Prometheus boxsets, to discuss Alien 3, the work involved in putting the Assembly Cut together and the changing opinion of the fandom.

We discuss how Charles’ desire to tell the behind-the-scenes story of Alien 3 led to him taking on the daunting task of doing the entire Alien series, his attempts to contact David Fincher, how the discovery of a long-lost cut of Alien 3 led to the creation of the Assembly Cut of Alien 3, and plenty more!

When I ask about the Assembly Cut not being in the Region 2 version of the Anthology, it sounds like there’s a little confusion over what I actually meant. I’m talking about is it not being called the Assembly Cut in the menus, but rather Special Edition. I also mention Vincent Ward had a graphic adaptation of his script available on his website which can be found here.

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Title: Re: Reassembling Opinions, Talking Alien 3 With Alien Anthology Producer Charles de Lauzirika – AvPG
Post by: HuDaFuK on May 11, 2020, 04:08:42 PM
Been looking forward to this one!

Although at 2 hours it's gonna have to wait until tomorrow :(
Title: Re: Reassembling Opinions, Talking Alien 3 With Alien Anthology Producer Charles de Lauzirika – AvPG
Post by: Predalien39 on May 11, 2020, 05:00:41 PM
Really enjoyed this interview.  Glad someone like Charles exists to actually make these documentaries and alternate cuts.  I'm glad you asked him about going further and touching up the fx for a possible future cut, even if I didn't love his answer. 
Maybe he's right and one day there will be a very glossy fan cut.  Would still love fir them to produce an official Final Cut though of sorts.  Add back in the dog bursted and the final ripley chestburster, along with some polished FX and that would be ideal
Title: Re: Reassembling Opinions, Talking Alien 3 With Alien Anthology Producer Charles de Lauzirika – AvPG
Post by: Evanus on May 11, 2020, 05:52:08 PM
Great interview! Too bad a new version with improved VFX seems to be off the table. But yeah, maybe talented fans can fix it properly someday.
Title: Re: Reassembling Opinions, Talking Alien 3 With Alien Anthology Producer Charles de Lauzirika – AvPG
Post by: Hudson on May 11, 2020, 07:00:05 PM
This is great so far. Love these stories of trying to contact Fincher, especially the voicemail. I hadn't heard these yet.

Great to hear so many of my other questions about edits answered too. And we need a better name for this fabled edit than "the cut we found" or whatever he keeps calling it.

Loved to hear him say something along the lines of "maybe someday" with regard to some of the other deleted material that wasn't restored. I'll keep my fingers crossed for a touched up workprint, which is probably at the top of my "take my money now" wishlist.
Title: Re: Reassembling Opinions, Talking Alien 3 With Alien Anthology Producer Charles de Lauzirika – AvPG
Post by: Keyes on May 11, 2020, 09:13:20 PM
Good chat :)

Thank you for asking my question regarding Murphy's missing line in the Special Edition Region 2 version, and for asking Charles what his own hypothetical fan-edit would be. Facinating!

I would love for more footage to be unearthed and released, and even if someone wanted to have a crack at a CGI runner to replace those rod puppet FX.
Title: Re: Reassembling Opinions, Talking Alien 3 With Alien Anthology Producer Charles de Lauzirika – AvPG
Post by: Janek on May 11, 2020, 10:12:00 PM
As an avid fan of Alien 3 this podcast was really wonderful for me. Love that you guys are working so hard to keep the fanbase entertained and informed on everything connected to the franchise.

Cheers!
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Post by: j0nesy on May 12, 2020, 12:18:30 AM
nice interview! chuckled at the idea of ridley scott retiring after the last duel, he's going to be working until the end :P
Title: Re: Reassembling Opinions, Talking Alien 3 With Alien Anthology Producer Charles de Lauzirika – AvPG
Post by: 426Buddy on May 12, 2020, 01:14:43 AM
Excellent interview! Always love hearing from CDL and this interview had some great insight from him. Unfortunately it was also sobering regarding any future improvement of the rod puppet effects.

Great job guys!
Title: Re: Reassembling Opinions, Talking Alien 3 With Alien Anthology Producer Charles de Lauzirika – AvPG
Post by: Corporal Hicks on May 12, 2020, 08:35:46 AM
I'm glad everyone is enjoying! I'd still like to see the original rod puppet footage restored, but I completely understand Charles' point. I'd happily see a version with new CG footage of the Alien instead. I just hope a talented fan comes along in the future to do it!


Just thought I'd mention a few points from YouTube comments -

It was Alien: Echo that had red-blooded synthetics.

And that an Ox is very representative of biblical lore. A sick and dying Ox is a bad omen for a household.
Title: Re: Reassembling Opinions, Talking Alien 3 With Alien Anthology Producer Charles de Lauzirika – AvPG
Post by: seattle24 on May 12, 2020, 10:43:20 AM
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on May 12, 2020, 08:35:46 AMAnd that an Ox is very representative of biblical lore. A sick and dying Ox is a bad omen for a household.

Wow. What an interesting undertone I had NO idea about. That kind of elevates my opinion of the Ox scene now to more on par with the dog (though the dog will always make more sense)

As for the pod, it was brilliant. I will always make time to hear an Alien 3 discussion. The quadrilogy and anthology are such huge pillars of fascination and knowledge in the fandom, so god bless Charles, he's a legend.

God I would love it if someone someday followed in Charles footsteps and lobbied for another kind of special cut. Completely appreciate what Charles says about a fan doing it from home, but I dunno, like Hicks said, it would be elite if someone could dive into the depths of the Fox archives for a properly authentic cut.
Title: Re: Reassembling Opinions, Talking Alien 3 With Alien Anthology Producer Charles de Lauzirika – AvPG
Post by: 426Buddy on May 12, 2020, 12:29:29 PM
Wish he could do a special edition of both the prequels and do a "making of" for Covenant.

Itll never happen but its a dream of mine.
Title: Re: Reassembling Opinions, Talking Alien 3 With Alien Anthology Producer Charles de Lauzirika – AvPG
Post by: Evanus on May 12, 2020, 03:24:41 PM
Quote from: 426Buddy on May 12, 2020, 12:29:29 PM
Wish he could do a special edition of both the prequels and do a "making of" for Covenant.

Itll never happen but its a dream of mine.
Yeah, same here. Especially Covenant, the bonus features were lacklustre to say the least!
Title: Re: Reassembling Opinions, Talking Alien 3 With Alien Anthology Producer Charles de Lauzirika – AvPG
Post by: DaveT937 on May 12, 2020, 03:27:00 PM
Well done for beating Perfect Organism to this - they only recently said on a pod of theirs that they should tap Charlie up for this very reason! Hehe
Title: Re: Reassembling Opinions, Talking Alien 3 With Alien Anthology Producer Charles de Lauzirika – AvPG
Post by: Corporal Hicks on May 12, 2020, 03:38:28 PM
Shit. Did they really? I approached Charles about this like a year ago. Certainly wasn't my intention. I've just actually had the time to go into research for this one and get it sorted.
Title: Re: Reassembling Opinions, Talking Alien 3 With Alien Anthology Producer Charles de Lauzirika – AvPG
Post by: Keyes on May 12, 2020, 07:34:53 PM
Did Charles say editor Terry Rawlings recorded the intro for the Special Edition on DVD? I've not seen that on my set.
Title: Re: Reassembling Opinions, Talking Alien 3 With Alien Anthology Producer Charles de Lauzirika – AvPG
Post by: Lauzirika on May 12, 2020, 08:27:14 PM
Looks I misspoke, re: a Terry Rawlings intro. I just checked my Quadrilogy DVD of A3, and indeed, there's no Rawlings intro there. I feel like we shot one, but I guess it didn't make the cut for some reason. Interestingly, there is a text intro, where the term "Assembly Cut" is used -- so now we know where that name for the long cut of A3 came from.

Sorry for any confusion. Like I said...it's been 17 years!
Title: Re: Reassembling Opinions, Talking Alien 3 With Alien Anthology Producer Charles de Lauzirika – AvPG
Post by: DaveT937 on May 12, 2020, 09:24:54 PM
Yes Corp - fairly sure I heard them say it would be a good idea on their Aliens commentary track. I was only listening to it last week and then I saw this and thought the timing was pretty serendipitous!

I wouldn't worry - you snooze, you lose! As you've said, this must've been in the planning for ages and theirs was an off the cuff comment.
Title: Re: Reassembling Opinions, Talking Alien 3 With Alien Anthology Producer Charles de Lauzirika – AvPG
Post by: Kradan on May 12, 2020, 09:26:51 PM
Quote from: DaveT937 on May 12, 2020, 09:24:54 PM
Yes Corp - fairly sure I heard them say it would be a good idea on their Aliens commentary track. I was only listening to it last week and then I saw this and thought the timing was pretty serendipitous!

I wouldn't worry - you snooze, you lose! As you've said, this must've been in the planning for ages and theirs was an off the cuff comment.

Same
Title: Re: Reassembling Opinions, Talking Alien 3 With Alien Anthology Producer Charles de Lauzirika – AvPG
Post by: dinosauriac on May 12, 2020, 11:25:54 PM
I've been loving the guests on these podcasts lately, some great stuff. Just a suggestion though, perhaps embed the YouTube version in the article as well as the audio file? It would be a lot more convenient to be able to watch it right here, instead of having a link to the vid buried amongst all the other underlined text at the bottom.

Anyway, keep up the great work!
Title: Re: Reassembling Opinions, Talking Alien 3 With Alien Anthology Producer Charles de Lauzirika – AvPG
Post by: Corporal Hicks on May 13, 2020, 09:31:31 AM
Quote from: DaveT937 on May 12, 2020, 09:24:54 PM
Yes Corp - fairly sure I heard them say it would be a good idea on their Aliens commentary track. I was only listening to it last week and then I saw this and thought the timing was pretty serendipitous!

I wouldn't worry - you snooze, you lose! As you've said, this must've been in the planning for ages and theirs was an off the cuff comment.

Ah. I haven't listened to the Aliens commentary yet. But regardless, I wouldn't have done tried to scoop them or anything. I like the PO crew.


Quote from: dinosauriac on May 12, 2020, 11:25:54 PM
I've been loving the guests on these podcasts lately, some great stuff. Just a suggestion though, perhaps embed the YouTube version in the article as well as the audio file? It would be a lot more convenient to be able to watch it right here, instead of having a link to the vid buried amongst all the other underlined text at the bottom.

Anyway, keep up the great work!

Duly noted. I shall endeavour to do that going forward. Have you switched to watching the video versions? And thank you! Glad you're enjoying.  :)


Quote from: Lauzirika on May 12, 2020, 08:27:14 PM
Sorry for any confusion. Like I said...it's been 17 years!

No worries, Charles! We all get mixed up.  :)
Title: Re: Reassembling Opinions, Talking Alien 3 With Alien Anthology Producer Charles de Lauzirika – AvPG
Post by: HuDaFuK on May 13, 2020, 10:17:00 AM
About halfway through so far and really enjoying it. It's scratching my itch for some more info on the actual creation of the extended version - about the only criticism I can think to make regarding Lauzirikia's documentaries is I really would've liked them to have a section near the end that discusses the creation of the alternative cuts, especially in the case of 3.
Title: Re: Reassembling Opinions, Talking Alien 3 With Alien Anthology Producer Charles de Lauzirika – AvPG
Post by: Janek on May 13, 2020, 12:17:09 PM
One thing I wanted your opinion on is do you guys think its understandable that Fincher is still bitter about the film? CDL gave some insight into how it was trying to communicate with Fincher during the production of the Assembly Cut, I really liked that bit of info.


When 85 says "You're going to need a bigger cage than that". Was that scene in the theatrical version or was it left on the cutting room floor? Would have loved to see it in the AC.
Title: Re: Reassembling Opinions, Talking Alien 3 With Alien Anthology Producer Charles de Lauzirika – AvPG
Post by: Corporal Hicks on May 13, 2020, 12:58:31 PM
Quote from: Janek on May 13, 2020, 12:17:09 PM
One thing I wanted your opinion on is do you guys think its understandable that Fincher is still bitter about the film? CDL gave some insight into how it was trying to communicate with Fincher during the production of the Assembly Cut, I really liked that bit of info.

I can't fault Fincher really. It was a truly awful experience for him. It'd be nice if he was made aware of how the AC has turned a lot of opinions - admittedly not all - but it'd be nice to know if he knew.

QuoteWhen 85 says "You're going to need a bigger cage than that". Was that scene in the theatrical version or was it left on the cutting room floor? Would have loved to see it in the AC.

It was in the Workprint, the VHS copy of the test screening cut that Charles mentioned.
Title: Re: Reassembling Opinions, Talking Alien 3 With Alien Anthology Producer Charles de Lauzirika – AvPG
Post by: Valaquen on May 13, 2020, 01:05:05 PM
Quote from: Janek on May 13, 2020, 12:17:09 PM
CDL gave some insight into how it was trying to communicate with Fincher during the production of the Assembly Cut, I really liked that bit of info.

Charles wrote about it before, I archived it here: https://alienseries.wordpress.com/2012/10/21/finding-fincher/

Might be more info at the link.
Title: Re: Reassembling Opinions, Talking Alien 3 With Alien Anthology Producer Charles de Lauzirika – AvPG
Post by: Corporal Hicks on May 13, 2020, 01:06:39 PM
He's talked about it a few times. I was hesitant to ask because I didn't want to bore Charles, but I wanted it in this episode for completion sake as we said. There's a full interview with Charles from Digital Bits from back in the day (Val's excerpts are from that) that is well worth your time.
Title: Re: Reassembling Opinions, Talking Alien 3 With Alien Anthology Producer Charles de Lauzirika – AvPG
Post by: Valaquen on May 13, 2020, 01:07:41 PM
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on May 13, 2020, 01:06:39 PM
He's talked about it a few times. I was hesitant to ask because I didn't want to bore Charles, but I wanted it in this episode for completion sake as we said.

It's a great wee story so I'm glad you asked. Fincher talking about Alien 3 indepth is a sort of Holy Grail.
Title: Re: Reassembling Opinions, Talking Alien 3 With Alien Anthology Producer Charles de Lauzirika – AvPG
Post by: Janek on May 13, 2020, 01:45:46 PM
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on May 13, 2020, 12:58:31 PM
I can't fault Fincher really. It was a truly awful experience for him. It'd be nice if he was made aware of how the AC has turned a lot of opinions - admittedly not all - but it'd be nice to know if he knew.

Yeah I agree, always bothers me that we get no comments from him on the film other than "not my movie".






Quote from: Valaquen on May 13, 2020, 01:05:05 PM
Quote from: Janek on May 13, 2020, 12:17:09 PM
CDL gave some insight into how it was trying to communicate with Fincher during the production of the Assembly Cut, I really liked that bit of info.

Charles wrote about it before, I archived it here: https://alienseries.wordpress.com/2012/10/21/finding-fincher/

Might be more info at the link.

This is great, cheers Val.
Title: Re: Reassembling Opinions, Talking Alien 3 With Alien Anthology Producer Charles de Lauzirika – AvPG
Post by: Kradan on May 13, 2020, 04:53:25 PM
Quote from: Janek on May 13, 2020, 01:45:46 PM
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on May 13, 2020, 12:58:31 PM
I can't fault Fincher really. It was a truly awful experience for him. It'd be nice if he was made aware of how the AC has turned a lot of opinions - admittedly not all - but it'd be nice to know if he knew.

Yeah I agree, always bothers me that we get no comments from him on the film other than "not my movie".

That sucks, indeed
Title: Re: Reassembling Opinions, Talking Alien 3 With Alien Anthology Producer Charles de Lauzirika – AvPG
Post by: The Eighth Passenger on May 13, 2020, 05:10:59 PM
Quote from: HuDaFuK on May 13, 2020, 10:17:00 AM
About halfway through so far and really enjoying it.

About 1/4 in, though the Corporal does tend to waffle on a bit. Does Charles also get to talk a bit later on?
Title: Re: Reassembling Opinions, Talking Alien 3 With Alien Anthology Producer Charles de Lauzirika – AvPG
Post by: DaveT937 on May 13, 2020, 05:35:23 PM
Hey! Leave the Corp alone!  ;D Waffle away I say!

And yes, no doubt that you didn't 'scoop' them. They wouldn't have put this on Facebook if they were pissed.

I particularly liked Charles' views on the super facehugger and fandom ie damned if you do, damned if you don't!

And also interesting to hear about Terry Rawlings. He opened a showing of Alien at my local cinema last March and must've been one of his last public outings. He was having his ear chewed off by some bloke behind me and I'm gutted I didn't save him and introduce myself!

Great work Corp!
Title: Re: Reassembling Opinions, Talking Alien 3 With Alien Anthology Producer Charles de Lauzirika – AvPG
Post by: AVP-CAPCOM on May 13, 2020, 06:38:03 PM
Is ALIEN 3 a good movie though?

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Nice interview. That said I think Charles de Lauzirika's glorified fancut of alien 3 took it from a 3/5 movie to a 3.5/5 movie. The production values and attention to detail and remastering are indeed a 4/5 effort. Charles de Lauzirika went above and beyond what he was contracted to do.
That said you can't polish a turd like alien 3, even with a CGI redoing of the runner/ox/dog alien rod puppet effects. It doesn't fix any of the film's flaws.

Fincher already said alien 3 was a studio politics disaster. Let's leave it at that.
Title: Re: Reassembling Opinions, Talking Alien 3 With Alien Anthology Producer Charles de Lauzirika – AvPG
Post by: Kradan on May 13, 2020, 07:56:10 PM
Quote from: AVP-CAPCOM on May 13, 2020, 06:38:03 PM
Is ALIEN 3 a good movie though?

(https://s3.amazonaws.com/lowres.cartoonstock.com/miscellaneous-worms-can-tin-opening_a_can_of_worms-opening-jfa2492_low.jpg)

Nice interview. That said I think Charles de Lauzirika's glorified fancut of alien 3 took it from a 3/5 movie to a 3.5/5 movie. The production values and attention to detail and remastering are indeed a 4/5 effort. Charles de Lauzirika went above and beyond what he was contracted to do.
That said you can't polish a turd like alien 3, even with a CGI redoing of the runner/ox/dog alien rod puppet effects. It doesn't fix any of the film's flaws.

Fincher already said alien 3 was a studio politics disaster. Let's leave it at that.

There's only one Alien movie you can use word "turd" referring to. We all know the name of it.
Title: Re: Reassembling Opinions, Talking Alien 3 With Alien Anthology Producer Charles de Lauzirika – AvPG
Post by: AVP-CAPCOM on May 13, 2020, 08:44:28 PM
Quote from: Kradan on May 13, 2020, 07:56:10 PMThere's only one Alien movie you can use word "turd" referring to. We all know the name of it.

Resurrection or Requiem?
Title: Re: Reassembling Opinions, Talking Alien 3 With Alien Anthology Producer Charles de Lauzirika – AvPG
Post by: Kradan on May 13, 2020, 08:45:26 PM
I've said Alien movie not AVP movie  ;)
Title: Re: Reassembling Opinions, Talking Alien 3 With Alien Anthology Producer Charles de Lauzirika – AvPG
Post by: Keyes on May 13, 2020, 08:50:45 PM
Quote from: Lauzirika on May 12, 2020, 08:27:14 PM
Looks I misspoke, re: a Terry Rawlings intro. I just checked my Quadrilogy DVD of A3, and indeed, there's no Rawlings intro there. I feel like we shot one, but I guess it didn't make the cut for some reason. Interestingly, there is a text intro, where the term "Assembly Cut" is used -- so now we know where that name for the long cut of A3 came from.

Sorry for any confusion. Like I said...it's been 17 years!

Thanks for looking Charles, unfortunately the UK Region 2 set didn't even have this text intro! I always thought it was strange there was no video intro like the other films in the set.
Title: Re: Reassembling Opinions, Talking Alien 3 With Alien Anthology Producer Charles de Lauzirika – AvPG
Post by: SiL on May 14, 2020, 01:52:50 AM
The R4 had it as text on the inside of the case.
Title: Re: Reassembling Opinions, Talking Alien 3 With Alien Anthology Producer Charles de Lauzirika – AvPG
Post by: Corporal Hicks on May 14, 2020, 06:36:46 AM
Can you take a snap, SiL?
Title: Re: Reassembling Opinions, Talking Alien 3 With Alien Anthology Producer Charles de Lauzirika – AvPG
Post by: SiL on May 14, 2020, 08:25:44 AM
Threw the case out years ago :'(
Title: Re: Reassembling Opinions, Talking Alien 3 With Alien Anthology Producer Charles de Lauzirika – AvPG
Post by: Corporal Hicks on May 14, 2020, 09:15:36 AM
Quote from: The Eighth Passenger on May 13, 2020, 05:10:59 PM
Quote from: HuDaFuK on May 13, 2020, 10:17:00 AM
About halfway through so far and really enjoying it.

About 1/4 in, though the Corporal does tend to waffle on a bit. Does Charles also get to talk a bit later on?

Hadn't really noticed I was waffling during the edit. But fair. Apologies.


Quote from: SiL on May 14, 2020, 08:25:44 AM
Threw the case out years ago :'(

Boooo!
Title: Re: Reassembling Opinions, Talking Alien 3 With Alien Anthology Producer Charles de Lauzirika – AvPG
Post by: SiL on May 14, 2020, 09:50:26 AM
It was titled "rumour control" and basically outlined that the SE was not a true Director's Cut (as such would be impossible) or even a real early version of the film, but more a facsimile of an earlier concept of the film with deleted elements to give viewers a look into what "could have been". It wasn't intended as a "better" version of the film, rather to show all the elements people had heard about for so long but not seen.
Title: Re: Reassembling Opinions, Talking Alien 3 With Alien Anthology Producer Charles de Lauzirika – AvPG
Post by: The Eighth Passenger on May 14, 2020, 03:35:00 PM
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on May 14, 2020, 09:15:36 AM
Quote from: The Eighth Passenger on May 13, 2020, 05:10:59 PM
Quote from: HuDaFuK on May 13, 2020, 10:17:00 AM
About halfway through so far and really enjoying it.

About 1/4 in, though the Corporal does tend to waffle on a bit. Does Charles also get to talk a bit later on?

Hadn't really noticed I was waffling during the edit. But fair. Apologies.

Naw, it's cool. Just taking the piss outta ya, it's my job around here in case you haven't noticed.  :P




I remember seeing that somewhere before but can't recall where exactly.

Quote from: SiL on May 14, 2020, 09:50:26 AM
It was titled "rumour control" and basically outlined that the SE was not a true Director's Cut (as such would be impossible) or even a real early version of the film, but more a facsimile of an earlier concept of the film with deleted elements to give viewers a look into what "could have been". It wasn't intended as a "better" version of the film, rather to show all the elements people had heard about for so long but not seen.
Title: Re: Reassembling Opinions, Talking Alien 3 With Alien Anthology Producer Charles de Lauzirika – AvPG
Post by: Keyes on May 14, 2020, 05:42:43 PM
Oh, that text was part of the Quadrilogy booklet. I've got that  :)
Title: Re: Reassembling Opinions, Talking Alien 3 With Alien Anthology Producer Charles de Lauzirika – AvPG
Post by: Darkness on Jun 04, 2020, 05:34:25 PM
Finally got around to listening to this. About half way through so far. Very interesting about how the Assembly Cut came about. I was always curious about what involvement Fincher actually with it. I think I recall reading at the time that Fincher gave them their 'blessing' to do it.

I'll try and get this one transcribed some time.